Let's Be Honest with Kristin Cavallari - What Not To Do If You Want To Date a Musician with Tucker Wetmore

Episode Date: March 17, 2026

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The following podcast is a dear media production. This is Let's Be Honest with Kristen Cavalery, a podcast all about getting real and open on everything from sex, relationships, reality TV, wellness, family, and so much more. And just a fair warning, there will probably be some oversharing. Hi. How are you? I'm good. How are you?

Fantastic. I appreciate you being here. You just kicked off a new tour. I did. You're a busy man. Yeah. How's it going so far? Good.

Well, we're a weekend in. We started in Boston, which was crazy. And then we went to New York and then played my first soldout arena this weekend in Pennsylvania. Amazing. It was crazy. Wow, that's great. So how many people is that? That one was like 7,000.

Wow. Yeah. That's incredible. So are you a weekend warrior? Is that how your tour goes? You can come home in between? Most of the time. Sometimes we'll stay out.

I think here coming up pretty soon. We'll stay out. Oh, you have a bunch of international shows, right? I do. Starting in April. Yeah, I think we go to Australia, and then we're hitting pretty much, you name a place in Europe. We're hitting it. Wow.

It's crazy. We'll be out for like seven weeks straight. Oh, my God. How do you guys do it? I do not understand how you can be on the road that long. Grace of God, really. I don't know. it's just obviously there's things you could do on the road that you know help your your mental

well-being you know like working out eating good it helps having like a really good solid team and band and crew behind you just surround yourself with like really good people yeah it's pretty much how I get through it and then you know loving it I guess yeah that's true you really got you got to love it you have to love it yeah for sure and yeah people who care about your well-being I think is really important so that they're looking out for you too. Yeah. What about just making sure you stay grounded? Because, I mean, playing sold out shows, you know, having people screaming your name,

being so excited to see you. It's not normal, right? So how do you keep it all in perspective? A lot of different. I mean, praying mostly. Kind of just staying, like, true to my faith and talking to God every chance that I can get and just listening. Yeah.

To where he wants me to go and what he wants me to do. I mean, I grew up in the church. my grandpa was a pastor and you know obviously throughout anybody's life you you know teeter-taughter when it comes to you know how good you are but uh i i've tried to stay on the right path most of my life especially now just being on the road and you know having you know a little bit of success that I'm having and obviously I can see how it could really get to somebody's head and somebody's mind in a really negative way you know but I look at it as an opportunity to just do the right thing most of the time. I try to. Yeah. Yeah, you're a good person. I mean,

especially at your age, because you're what, 25? 26. Oh, you're 26. I just turned 26 a couple months ago. Okay. So I just think, yeah, it's hard at that age when all of a sudden, all this is being thrown at you. Yeah. It's hard to just, I don't know, not get wrapped up in it, which I think is normal. Yeah. A lot of people do. A lot of people do. Yeah. Are you close with your family? Yeah. I feel like that helps, too, having a good family to kind of ground you. Yeah. So I grew up with four sisters. Yeah. Where are you in the lineup?

So I've got three older and then one younger. Wow. And the one younger is only like 13 months younger than me. Oh, so Irish twins, I think that's what they call that. Something like that. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, I grew up with four sisters and a beautiful mother and a house full of woman my entire life.

Even the dogs were girls. Where's your dad? Somewhere. Don't know. He was never in your life? Well, he was, I want to say the first like nine, ten years and then my parents ended up split and then, you know, he got sick. My mom got sick. And now I haven't, I don't know, I don't really talk to them too much. Gotcha. Has you tried to get back into your life since

this newfound fame? No. Not really no. Probably for the best, right? I haven't talked a long time. Wow. So you were just, wow, surrounded by women. Yeah. Probably helps you have a good understanding of the female. Uh, yeah, more than most. I know more than I should. I'm being honest. More than you should. Yeah, exactly. Wait, why don't you have a Nashville show on your list? I think we're saving it. Oh, okay. I think we want to really knock it out of the park. Because I played the Riemann last year.

And we sold out the Rhyman last year, which was a blessing. It was such a fun show. Yeah, that's huge. That's iconic. Yeah, I ended up bringing out like Gavin to Grave. I was in Gavin's music video a thousand years ago. Were you really? Yes, I love Gabbin.

He's such a good dude. He's the best. Yeah, we had Gavin deGro off days. And then Randy Travis was sitting inside, literally besides days just watched me. do my thing up there the whole show. But it was a really special night. But I think me and my team kind of sat down. We're like, okay, next time we play in Nashville, we want it to be like big. We wanted to be like Bridgestone. Yes. So we're kind of holding off for that. But we got an offer to play Bridgestone this year, which I think we're going to take it. Amazing. I'm very excited for that.

Not just because it's Bridgestone, but it's Brooks and done. When would that be? November, October. Okay. Amazing. Let's talk about how you got into country music because you were in Montana playing in playing football in college right and you got an injury yep what was the injury so the one that finally did me in was this ankle and then like sprow fractured all the way up my leg i blown this knee out twice and i blew out this ankle and leg and right the life of a football guy yeah but the last one that did it was was was in college it was like the end of my freshman year and uh you know i was i was it was looking pretty good i just got scout player the year and my Coach was like, all right, you're going to be the number one receiver for the next four years.

And I'm like, all right, this is everything I've ever wanted. But then, you know, honestly, like leading up to the injury, honestly, like a month or two before, you know, I was partying a lot in college. I was sleeping on my buddy's couch and, you know, doing the whole college life. But I just, I didn't feel right. And I wasn't showing up the class. I literally only went to college to play football. Yeah. People ask me, like, what was your major?

I'm like, slant over the middle, you know, like a post. I don't know. My major was football and that's all I want to do. But a couple months leading up to the injury, I wasn't really feeling right. And I was down in my faith and I wasn't praying a lot. I remember I got home from practice one day. And I put my bag in the corner. It wasn't even my house.

It was my buddy's house. And I was sleeping on his couch. And I threw my bag in the corner. I went immediately to the bathroom, closed the door, locked it, sat down, and I just started. falling. I just started crying and started praying. I was like, hey, man, I know it's been a while and I know I've been not great in my, in my college experience, but I need a sign. I need, I need something because something's not feeling. I got everything going for me on a football aspect, but it's something just not right. And, you know, I sat there probably prayed 10, 15 minutes

and dried myself up, went out, ate dinner, went to bed, woke up the next day, decided to go to class that day. I was so bad at school. Decided to go to class that day and then went to practice around three or four o'clock. And I went every other day. And very first play, I run a post of a middle and break my leg. Whoa. Blow out my ankle. And I remember my first thought was, holy shit, this does not.

feel good at all. This hurts. Yeah. My literally sitting on like the 48-yard line, whatever it was, I was sitting there, I was like, this is my son right here. Wow. This is exactly what I was praying for last night. This is, that was the last time I'll ever run around. That is crazy.

So were you devastated or you really just looked at it as a sign? At first, it hit me hard. Not to be like all sappy about something. Oh, yeah. Well, understandable. Problem, but like. No, that's a big deal. There's a lot of other people out there with bigger problems.

But I know it did hit me really hard and I was I was like borderline depressed there for I want to say like eight months afterwards. Yeah. I moved back. I ended up moving back home. I drove actually 12 hours with my left foot back home in my. Wow. I think I had like a Subaru legacy or something like that. That's not dangerous.

All will drive Subaru legacy. And it was so it was. Where was home? A long ways. Washington. Oh, okay. Okay. It was southwest Washington.

And I remember I moved home and. I got my surgery and started healing up a little bit. And then when I was able to start walking, I was like, mom, I should probably get a job. She's like, yeah, you really should. I was like that. So then I got like this job at a coffee shop and something small. And I really didn't know what I was doing with my life. So you had no idea you were going to get into music at this point.

So I was already in music a little bit. So I started playing when I was like 10. Got it. I kind of just sat down on a piano one day and didn't get up, you know, for like years. And I would come home from practice or school, and I would just sit there and I would just play like Jerry Lee Lewis and like Billy Joel, Elton John. Self taught? All self-taught. Wow, that's impressive.

On anything. I'd come home and I'd just play for hours to the point where like my sister would, like one time, my sister gave my guitar away. Oh. Yeah. Well, her dad ended up giving it to me as a gift. There was some, there was some gray area. if you will. But she was just tired of hearing me sit there playing at 10, 10.30 at night trying to practice and having fun with it. But I was talking about that the other day. She regrets it so much.

I was just going to ask. She feels bad about that now. She feels real bad about it. But she didn't know back then. No. Yeah, she was like, I've been trying to find that guitar for years. Oh, wow. That would be so cool. She really is. She's like actively trying to find it. It was like a baby red and Les Paul or something like that. That would be awesome if she could find it. But yeah, and then I'd trumpet in middle school, high school. Wow. I love music. And like I said earlier, I grew up in the church, so I was surrounded by, you know, the gospel and all that stuff.

My whole life. So why Nashville? It's where the music is. So, yeah, just following the music. I guess, yeah. Before I moved, actually, I started playing again because during college, I wasn't really playing. They had this piano actually in the dorm room. Oh.

Not my, in the dorm hall. It was in this room that nobody ever goes in. Every once in a while, if I was having like a really rough day in college, I would go down there and play. But other than that, I wasn't really playing. Yeah, when I moved back home, I just started writing songs and playing again and like falling in love with it. And I set my mom down. I was like, I want to do this. She goes, thank God.

Like, she was like, thank the Lord because I've been trying to get you to push me or pursue music for years now since I started, really. Oh, wow. I love that. And so I was kind of like a sigh of relief for her. And she did everything in the world to help me move to Nashville and, you know, supported me first, you know, a couple years, like financially. And obviously I was like door-dash and doing like other stuff like that. But just trying to like eat. Yeah, trying to survive. Just trying to buy beer at losers. Yeah, right. Did you know anybody when you first came? I didn't know anybody. Not one person. Not a single person. Wow. So you got here and then now what? What? What did? did you do? What did the first few months look like? A lot of networking. How? Just going out? Yeah, just going out. I was 20 at the time. Oh, wow. So you couldn't even go to the bars. I could. Okay, so. Fake ID? No, I never had a fake. Oh, really? But it was during COVID. Oh. People were like craving for like business to come in. And so I'd just walk into the businesses that didn't really care. Like, what was it back in the day? Right next to 10 roof on the mummering.

Okay, wait, hold on. I'm trying to think. Dog house. Oh, see, I don't even know. That's like I was more, like I started coming here in 2010. So like that was my era when I was going out when there was nothing. Yeah. Like nothing here. So I don't even know. I think it was called dog house though, but I would not to get them. I don't think it's dog house anymore.

I think it's like. I don't even think. I've never heard of that yet. But I would walk in. They're gone from letting underage kids. Yeah. I'm the reason. Yeah.

You're the problem. But yeah, I'd walk in order a butt lot and a shot of firewall. Out of firewall. Yeah. I was 20. So Nashville. Yeah, yeah. So you just started meeting people that way.

Just talking to people, meeting people. I got super lucky when I first moved. I met a group of people or a couple of people that are still like my best friends now. Like we go on vacations together. If we have free time, if we're all home, we're all hanging out. That's awesome. But I met a good group of people. People in the business?

Nope. Oh, okay, great. So just normal people that you're still best friends with. Yeah. That's great. I guess kind of in the business. Like the first person I met, his name is Cameron Packy. And he's a big old loud dude, but he's got a heart of gold.

And he's like one of my best friends in the world. And we would go to these different parties together. And then I met a girl named Shelley. And now she's dating Jacob Hackworth, which he's on tour with me right now. Oh, I love it. And we ride a bunch together. But she's not in the industry at all. She's just a photographer or something like that.

But yeah, I was super blessed. And I kind of liked that I didn't really meet people right off the bat. in the industry, I kind of met people that I really clicked with and then I did my own thing in the industry, you know, if that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, because you're meeting your people. Yeah, your real core people clearly because they still are. Be in my wedding kind of people. Yeah, exactly. I think that's important. Yeah. So, okay, so that was 2020. So then in 2024, wine into whiskey was your first song to chart on the Billboard Hot 100. Later, that same year, wind up missing you went even bigger and became your first major country radio hit. So,

The 2024 was a huge turning point for you. Yep. What was that like? Crazy. I mean, it's so crazy. Yeah. Yeah, that's crazy. Like, what happened when you first heard it on the radio?

What did you do? I was, okay, when I first heard my song on the radio, I was heading to a photo shoot, actually, to shoot the cover for Wind Up Missing You. Oh, wow. Because it wasn't even out yet. It was whined a whiskey that I heard on the radio. And we were headed to someplace in Tennessee.

I think it was over east. And we turned on the radio. We ended up getting pulled over too. It was a very eventful day. But we turned on the radio and we're sitting there talking about like different creative things that we could do for the cover of Windup. And then the song comes on. I'm like, that's crazy. Wow.

Yeah, that was pretty cool. It's crazy to think about like 2020 to 23 really is when all the craziness kind of started at the end of 23 because I wrote Winded, whiskey and then wind up missing you in the same week in November. Oh. It was a great way. It was my birthday week. Yeah, what was happening in November? I don't know.

I was drinking. Is that the key to a good song? Yeah, most of the time, yeah. But yeah, I mean, it was my birthday week. So I wrote those two in my birthday week. And then I teased wine in the whiskey, probably two weeks later when I got the demo back. And I remember sitting in the kitchen that day and press some play. I'm like, this is dope.

I'm posting on TikTok. It was huge on TikTok. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, I remember hearing it. And then I posted it and then I kind of just put my phone down for the rest of the day, woke up the next morning and had like 2 million views or something like that. Oh my God. And people are starting to use it in their videos and all that stuff. I'm like, oh, this feels weird.

So would you credit TikTok a little bit to your initial success? Social media in general, yeah. For sure, yeah. Isn't that interesting? It really can really boost someone's career. Get the name out. Yeah, that's very cool. I think it's the coolest not cool thing in the world.

A thousand percent. Couldn't agree with you more. Because like I can't stand, I can't stand sitting there and like being being just so glued in on it. And I don't. Like if I catch myself like scrolling for like over five minutes, I'm like, you know, you can put limits on it. I've done this for myself with TikTok. I actually deleted TikTok for six months and I just re-downloaded it last week and I already hate myself for it. But you can put a limit on it.

So after 30 minutes, it's like, hey, your limits up. Really? I don't know. I mean, you can approve more time, but hey, it's a good, more reminder. Like, approve, approve, approve. I don't really spend that much time on my phone. That's good. I just feel bad if I do.

That's good. But, yeah, so I teased wine and whiskey. Excuse me. That started doing a bunch of stuff over like a week or two. And then I teased wind up missing you as soon as I got the demo back. And then that just. Wow. And so, I mean, since then it's been.

On a, on a. rocket ship. Wild. Yeah, that's amazing. That's very cool. So yeah, I mean, your life has changed a lot in the last two years. What would you say the biggest differences in your just day-to-day life? Doing stuff like this. Yeah. Honestly. That's fair. Yeah. Like talking about feelings and what I'm doing. Oh, we haven't even gotten to the feelings yet. Oh, man, you're breaking all my shit. I don't know. I don't know. I guess not seeing, I grew up with a lot of people around me. I come from like a Samoan family. There's a lot of people in Samoan families, you know, hanging out with family, friends my entire life. And I feel like now the isolation is probably the weirdest thing for me at times. You know, you get done playing a show from, it's 40,000 people in Canada like I did last summer. 40,000 people of Canada. You get offstage, you go to your green room or your bus. And then it's just cool. Yeah, I know.

And that is like the loneliest feeling in the world. Like you're on the highest of highs. But then there's like no, nothing. Yeah. You know. And it's like an adrenaline rush. And then it all gets like it's like a rug. Crazy.

It's wild. It's a, and I'm not sitting here complaining about anything. Of course not. Yeah. But it's, I think that's the weirdest thing. It's kind of just like getting used to the spike in adrenaline and then the drop.

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I mean, I went on a podcast store for eight days and that ruined me. And that's when I was like, I really have so much respect for musicians. Yeah. Going to sleep after that adrenaline rush is so hard. Most of the time I don't until it's pretty late. I'd say my average time I fall asleep on the road is probably like two. Yeah. Yeah.

Then I sleep until like 10. That's good. I still get my eight hours. Good. It's just really messed up eight hours. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. It's where do you used to?

That's where I guess friends really come into play. Like being able to just even call a friend afterwards and just talking to someone for a little bit. And I'm super close with my manager, Autumn, super close with my band. Yeah. Super close with all my crew. Honestly, we're like a huge family. You know, we all have this one goal and that's to make the show or that's, that's, that's makes the show the best as possible.

And that's to like grow what we're trying to grow in the back scene. Yeah. In the background. We're all sharing a common goal and we all really believe in it. We're diving into it. But when I get off stage, honestly, it's, I go to my bus. This is what I do. Yeah, walk us through every little detail.

I go, thank you, good night. And then I start walking off stage and then. Wait, before you do that, are you critical of yourself? Are you like, oh, that show sucked? Or like, I killed it. Most of the time. Most of the time you think it sucks. Sometimes.

Sometimes I'm like, dang, that was like the worst. show in the world. Right. That was so good. Yeah, yeah. But I'm thinking about that one little thing that I did. I'm like, oh, I can. But I don't know.

I'm very self-critical. But I get off stage and I go to my bus and I got a spot in my bus that I sit down every single time. I sit there in silence for probably five minutes with my head down, you know, hunched over a little bit. And I'll just sit there and breathe. And then I'll grab a beer and I'll crack a beer and I'll drink it. And then.

By yourself still. Or now are people coming in? Sometimes my manager will be in there, but she knows. Like, she knows I need that time. Yeah. After a show, even if it's just five minutes, she'll knows that I need, like, silence. And then sometimes if I'm, like, really feeling it

and I was like a great show, I'll come off. I'll be like, what did you think? Yeah, yeah. You know, it's kind of just a, it's a, it varies. Yeah. Most of the time, it's just, I need that, I need that space of time where it's just, my mind can not do anything.

Mm-hmm. Got a process. Yeah. Yeah. Love it. Okay. And then what happens? after that beer.

And then I hang out with people to see where the night takes you. Yeah, exactly. And then, you know, most of the time we got people, friends, family, or people that I got to meet that come to the show.

You do a meet and greet? Every show? Yeah. Oh, wow. Pretty much. Yeah. We don't do them after. I guess after the shows,

it kind of turns into a meet and greet. Okay. Yeah. There's like new people there. But like an official meet and greet you do before the show? We do before. Yeah. So there was kind of draining after the show.

Yeah. Yeah. Great. That's another thing. It's like you got 100 people meet and greet. Yeah. And then you got radio room. And then you got a meeting with radio room. And then by that time, you got an hour to get on stage.

And then like an hour after meeting 250 people face to face one by one. Yeah. And then they're like, all right. Now it's showtime. Enter stage. Yeah. And then you hear that click start and then the track start. And that's another weird thing that you kind of got to get used to.

And I don't know. I'm kind of getting more used to it. Because you have to be on that whole time, right? Like meeting everybody. Yeah. you got to like bring your A game and you got to just got to be on and that's a lot of work as well. Yeah. And at that point you're on for four and a half hours straight.

Yeah. It's a lot. That's a lot. Yeah. So the isolation piece, would you say that's maybe the worst thing about fame? Um. And like, I mean, isolation. I would say I'm famous, but, uh.

I would say a lot of people know who you are right now. I guess. Yeah. I wouldn't say the worst. What would the worst? worst part be? I don't know. It doesn't really feel right to sit here and talk about what's bad. I'm going to ask you the best part too. And it's not necessarily bad. It's just it's different, right, than your life was a few years ago. Like probably trusting people has become different. Yeah.

And that goes with isolation, I would say. Yeah. I mean, this is the way I'll put it. There's, there is, give or take, a thousand people that moved to Nashville to Michigan Day to pursue music, to write songs or sing them on a stage someday or whatever it is. They got a dream when it comes to music. And when I get in those moments where I'm like, oh, my life sucks, fun. You know, we all got our, we all got our things that we think about. That's immediately where my head goes.

Like, I was 20 years old one time moving to Nashville, not knowing anybody. And this is everything I've ever dreamed of. And I instantly snap out of it. I'm like, this is the coolest shit in the world. Being grateful. 100%. Yeah. Yeah. That puts everything in perspective. Yeah. I mean, obviously there's like one times and there's times where it's like up down, up, down. Most of it's good.

Yeah. Honestly, I can't, I can't sit here and complain when somebody, you know, out there wants it, you know. I love that. Just as much as I do. Yeah. No, I love that. People out there got it, you know, way worse than I do. I know. It's all, it's all relative. I don't think it's right to sit here and talk about negatives when something, about something so Okay, well then let's talk about the positives. What are the good things that come with notoriety?

Oh. Because there are good things, you know? Yeah, there is. It's fun. I get a lot of free clothes. There you go, yeah. A lot of free food. Yep, free food, free clothes. Good dinner reservations. Dinner reservations. Yeah, I can I can go eat anywhere in Nashville. There you go. A lot. I mean, honestly, the way it's set me up like to like take care of my family and my friends. And, and this, I mean, I don't know it sounds sappy or whatnot, but it's true. Like, I, I've been able to do things for my family that nobody ever has, and in a way that I'd never thought I would be able to. Obviously, I've always strived, and that's, like, like, my leading factor of what I do

and, like, why I do it is to take care of my family. Obviously, I love the music, and it's, like, without it, I would die. Yeah. You know, I feel like without music, I would die sometimes. Yeah. But I think the best thing is, is, like, it being able to, like, set up my family. family for success or freedom or whatever it is. Like my mom's retired now and, you know,

my sister moved to Nashville and now she's helping me. Oh, great. With like personal assistant stuff and like house management stuff. Amazing. My little niece, her name's Ala, they live like two minutes down the road and then her fiance, Joe. And so it's nice to have family around. But it's just cool to be able to do things that I've always wanted to do,

especially, you know, having to grow up really fast at a young age. And like, we were poor. We were not, you know. A very, I mean, we were wealthy in the ways of like we loved each other. And, you know, we had, we had that going for us and nothing could ever break that. But when it came to financial stuff, we were, we were pretty poor a lot of the time. And, you know, it's cool to think that, like, I can just, you know, pay off my mom's house, you know, buy my sister's, you know, a new car or whatever it is. And like, it's, that's, that's what I do with. I said, I bought myself a house and a

truck and I'm good, I'm good, you know, but that's what I do with my stuff. That's really sweet. Like, I was just talking to my friend, my phone, we're trying to start this business thing. And he's, you know, one of the smartest dumb people I've ever met my life, you know. He's my best friend in the world. So I can say that. But, you know, just like business opportunities where I can, like, you know, help kind of kickstart it and stuff like that. Because he believes in it.

I believe in him and I believe in what he's doing. And just cool stuff like that. Like, bring people up with me. Yeah. You know? Yeah. I love that. That's sweet.

You're a good guy. I'll try. It's important. That's important. When you're the newcomer in, you know, the country music scene, let's say. Like, I remember being new, like moving up to L.A. from Laguna Beach and some people were really cool with me and some people were kind of jerks. So I'm curious, when you first got on the scene, you know, now you're going to the award shows and you're at all the things. Were the people warm and welcoming to you or were there some people that were kind of jerks because you're the new kid in town?

Everyone's been really nice to my face. That's good. That's great. I don't really have any enemies in, oh, sorry. In or, I'm falling apart. Just leave it off at this point. Yeah. No, we need that branding.

Keep it in there. Oh, there is. Little up. I mean, obviously, there's talk and everything. You know. About, like, what people have said about you? No, I'm just saying, like, no matter what you do in life. If you're succeeding, somebody's going to be.

talking, you know. And if somebody's not talking, that probably means you not doing something. I said this morning. Yeah. Yeah. It's a very true thing. And so I don't, I don't listen to the outside noise. I never really have. But everyone's been super, especially lately. I feel like the last six months my life is kind of, or my career in the industry is kind of like flipped, you know. In my way. Everyone's super receptive of what I'm trying to do and like really believes in what I'm trying to do and wants to be like a part of like, I'm working on album number two, right? now and I can't tell you how many people I look up to as songwriters or artists or whatnot being like hey I heard you're working on this project like I got this song or you know I got

this idea or if there's anything I could do to help just let me know and it's it's really cool and you know being at these shows and festivals and like getting one-on-one time with these people and like the other the other day I was I was playing I wasn't playing I went to waste management in Arizona and Ernest was there and he was playing he had a set and I wanted to go watch it and we sat backstage and talked for you know hours and we were sitting there didn't did he on the guitar and yeah i i remember back in 2020 when his locals i think is locals only and i i told him this i was like dude your first record locals only is like one of my favorite records of all time and i you know it's just it puts me in that moment of back in 2020 when i was meeting all these new people and

uh moved to nashville and like how excited it was to be able to like write songs that good and like you know have them heard by the by the world and so it's it's it's it's cool to you know be able to call up urn now and just be like hey how you doing he was he texted me a song this morning you know it's kind of like that stuff too and you know like jelly roll or like uh jason al dine i got his number in my phone that's crazy yeah yeah yeah i know if i call him he'd pick up you know that's just the guy he is and like Thomas wreck you know i feel like there's a lot of people i kind of really believe in what I'm doing now and it's it's cool and you know I feel like people are understanding like I'm just I'm just me and I'm I'm just trying to be me and I can't I can't be anything else yeah well

that's probably what people love yeah and I'm making music that I believe in that sounds good to my ears when I'm sitting there banging my head against the wall trying to figure it out you know I love it yeah there's good people here though too like I've noticed that like really down to earth normal people in the business I would say which is good yeah Okay, let's talk about dating. Okay. You're one of country's most eligible bachelors. Yeah, you have a little sip of water.

I think, so you're 26, that's such a fun age for dating, right? And especially now with everything you have going on, I can only imagine how wild are your DMs. They're crazy most of the time. Celebrity is sliding in or just? No. Mostly just your average girl. Or not average. I'm sure your girls are beautiful sliding in.

I don't know. I guess no celebrity sliding in or nothing like that. It's more of like people say like guys are, you know, pretty bold. Yeah. Girls aren't old. I think girls are worse. They say some wild stuff. What's the craziest thing a girl has said to get your attention?

Oh, gosh. I don't even know. Probably not appropriate. Probably not appropriate. I probably should. Do you get pictures? stuff like naked pictures? I don't have, I have a filter or something on my thing.

You have to accept it. You have to accept it for somebody to send you a thing. Oh, you're right. But can't you click on it and then see it without them knowing? I think you can. I think I have that. No, it says, it says so-and-so wants to send you a video or picture, a video or something like that.

And you have to go accept it. Oh. I don't. So you don't mess with that. No. You're not curious. Not my deal. You're a good boy.

Are you sliding into anyone's DMs? Not really. No. Not really or no? No. I mean, I have in the past, but like, you know, I'm so focused on just, I got, I got someone's going on, you know. You're too busy. I am.

I am. We're not too busy. It's just, you know, my focus is in places where it needs to be. Yeah. And I've gone down that path where I've, I've chased women. I've chased, you know, I've chased booze. I've chased parties. used to good times. And I've had that time, you know, and I think I'm 26 now. And that's,

that's young in most people's eyes, but I feel like I'm running out of time, most of the time. And so I feel like just keep my head on straight or trying to at least in the best way possible is the only option right now. So you feel like you've gotten all of that out of your system? Most of the time. Or you're just trying to. Sometimes, hey, sometimes I'll have two days off and I'll have the buddies over and we'll start drinking and start partying. But like we don't do nothing, nothing crazy like that. But I like to let loose. I think it's important when you're as busy as you are, you know, and you're grinding.

You've got to blow off some steam once in a while. I agree. So you're not really looking to date necessarily. Is that kind of what I'm gathering? Or if you met the right girl? I think the right person. The right person can change any. Yeah.

You know. How do you meet people? That's a good question. I meet new people every day. Yeah, I guess that's true, yeah. Whether it's like a podcast like this or a show or a meet and read or whatnot. On the road. I'm constantly meeting new people.

That's true. In that aspect, I'm not really worried about it. Do you have a celebrity crush? I do. Why do I feel like I saw this actually? Did you say it on a podcast one time? Who do you think it is? I can't remember now.

I don't know. Who is it? What's her name? Wasn't she such a big crush? I don't even know her name. She's an actress. Margot Rabi. Well, yeah, obviously.

You and everybody else. Have you seen? Wuthering Heights? No. Oh, what? Wolf of Wall Street. Babylon. Babylon?

No. Yeah. Good? One of the wildest movies I've ever seen. Is she in that? Yes. Oh, I didn't know that. Should I watch it?

100%. I watched it two nights ago. And it was, and I really like film. Yeah. And I want to get into film someday. Oh, cool. In a film, like, aspect, just the way it was shot and, like, all the scenes and the storyline behind it, it was very pleasing to.

my creative brain. I like that. Yeah. So I just sat there. I was glued and fixated on the on the TV for like, it's like a three hour movie. Oh, damn. There's like three main characters like Margo Robbie. Some random Mexican dude. I forgot his name. And then Brad Pitt. Oh, no, I knew. Yes. I, okay, I'll watch that. It's good. I saw Wuthering Heights yesterday. I cried like a baby. I don't even know what that is. Oh, are you living under a rock? Most of the time. Her and Jacob Allorty? I don't know. You've been seen any of this press? You know what? It's actually amazing that you have no idea that says.

I don't know who's Jacob and the only thing people are talking about. God, that's amazing. Good for you. Keep that up. All right. I'm trying. Okay, so you don't really use

Instagram as a dating app or you know. I mean, I have in the past. Oh, wait, you didn't answer the Celebrity Crush question. Oh, I mean, obviously, Margaret Robbie's up there just because I just watched a movie

with her in it. Anna de Armis. Oh, yeah, she's beautiful. Beautiful. Yep, yeah. Oh, gosh. So you're not What?

Not Angelina Julie. What was? She's obviously iconic. Jessica Alba, prime Jessica Oh my gosh. Yeah. She still looks amazing. Oh,

she doesn't age a day. Not even a little bit, but like Fantastic Four. Yeah, yeah. Back in that time. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so you're still on a brunette kick apparently, huh?

Yeah. You've sworn off blondes? I have. Sticking with it. That's right. I love it. It's steak on the ground. All right, let's talk about figs.

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talked a lot about this on the podcast, especially, you know, a couple years ago when I was dating someone younger. But I really don't think that age matters. I think it's more just experience and the things you've been through because you can have someone who's 23, who's really dealt with a lot in their life and they've had to grow up quickly. And they're going to be much more. more emotionally mature than a 23-year-old who hasn't been through much and who came from like a quote-unquote perfect family. And, you know, I just think there's so many different variables with it. But this show was so interesting for me because I love the concept of age being thrown out, right? Like you have no idea what someone's age is until you decide that

you like them. And then my favorite part of this whole series is when they finally reveal their age to each other. And I mean, you guys, some of the age gaps are like 30 years. And you can, I mean, and these people are like, oh, you can tell they're like, oh, shit. But I don't know. It just, it goes to show you that, you guys, age, I think, I just think age really is just a number. But it's interesting to see when these people find out, like, let's say, you know, there's a couple couples and they have a 30 year age gap. When they find out, does it? it changed things, you know, like ignorance is bliss maybe, you know, because when you don't know, you're just going along with it and you're having fun and you're getting to know someone and age isn't

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Not really. I mean, I've never, I've never been broken up with. I've always, you know, been the one that I call it quits. You can still be sad even if you like things. Yeah. 100%. Especially when you still have those feelings. Not, no, I'm not saying I have feelings towards anybody right now.

Right. But during a breakup. But during a breakup. Yeah. When you're in that time where you still have feelings and you're like, I know this isn't going to work. out. I have to end it right now kind of thing. But still, you know, care about the person and it kind of breaks your heart, breaking theirs. I wrote that on a song, actually. Breaks my heart, breaking your

love it. Yeah, I mean, you know, it's just some people just aren't right for you is the way I look at it. And it takes a lot of self-discipline to realize that. And, you know, I lean on, I lean a lot on like my family and my friends when it comes to, you know, the people that I have in my life because they're my people first and foremost until that person comes and then, you know, but if they're like, hey, this girl's bad, I'm like, no. I know you're so blind to it when you're in it. You don't see what I see. You know how many times I say you don't see the version of her that I do.

Well, it's just us is great. That's a red flag within itself, you know? I know. Because it should be, it should be pretty decent. Your friends, I think, should like your life. significant other. I think that's very telling. If you're sitting there saying, if it's just us, it's great. Yeah. It's probably not a good sign. It's not a good sign. So is that what happened? Your friends just kind of saw and they would tell you and finally you started to kind of wake up to it.

Yeah. And then I, you know, I started seeing things pretty early on. It's like being out at Broadway until two, three a.m. Come back, John. You know, leaving me with your dog. You know. Oh, she's going out without you. Yeah. Yeah. Like two, three times a night. And that was, like, like, two, three times a night. And that was, I was early on in the relationship. I shouldn't be talking about this. Why wouldn't you go? No, let's be honest.

This is the place to be honest. Why wouldn't you be on Broadway with her? She didn't want you to go? A girl's night. Oh, yeah. The old girl's night. Like two times a week.

But then she was hanging out with other dudes at the time. So, I don't mean. Oh. And you found out? I mean, yeah. During or after? Well, not like hanging out with them like that. Yeah.

Just partying with guys. Oh. Oh, it's just, I shouldn't say. Okay, fine. You don't have to say, but answer this. Is your song Proving Me Right about her? That's what- Proving me right is a true story about love itself.

Mm. And relationships itself. Okay, good answer. Good PR answer. So, okay, Riley Green brought her to the CMAs. You were there, right? Oh, we're talking about her this whole time. Well, I don't know, are we?

Oh. You tell me. What was that? Like, I swear this is my last question. We can move on from her after this. Oh, okay. It's fine. It was fine.

I don't pay no mind. You say hi? No. No. All right, we can move off of it. God. I'm talking about that. All right.

What are you looking for in a woman? What qualities do you like? Brunette. Brunette. That's right. Honestly, somebody that's just like unapologetical clown. Mm-hmm. And like, it's just kind of like,

everybody everybody you know waiter not friends yeah you could be a waiter you could be a random person a grocery store you could be a person that you don't really like too much right you know yeah I think that's the biggest tell is like how they people treat people that they do not like I like that you know me person I try to give everybody like you know all the grace in the world but obviously there's people that I'd rather not spend time with, but I'm not going to sit here and talk about them when they're not sitting in here. If I got something to say to them, hey, this is how I feel about you. Enjoy the rest of your day. You know? Yeah. That's just who I am. You know, I feel like it's very telling not for anybody who they are as a person in their core of, you know, how they treat people that

they don't agree with or they dislike or they can't really stand, you know. That's a good one. Yeah. I like that. Okay. So just someone who's really kind. Kind. That's it. Yeah, I mean. You want someone who's fun, outgoing, someone who can obviously hang in your world is probably important.

Somebody that understands what I do. So secure. Yeah. Secure within herself that she knows that like, okay, I'm going out to all these shows, but I'm coming home to you. Yeah. Somebody that understands like, oh, yeah, it's going to be probably weeks at a time, you know, sometimes.

where I'm not going to be able to see you because I'm in Australia. You're in Australia. Or Europe or Japan or Guam or wherever I am. I'm going all those places this year. Are you going to Japan? Yeah, we're in the talks of. Oh, wow. That's very cool.

I don't know if it's set in stone yet, but that'd be sick. That'd be awesome. Yeah, somebody that just understands, like, what I do. It doesn't hold that over my head when they're feeling it's secure about something. You know, it's like. Exactly. Creates fights. creates when you're in Japan and it's like, oh my God, I've been playing a show all night.

Leave me alone. I was dating this girl one time since we're being honest. I was dating this girl on time. And she took every instance to, you know, just grind my gears. It's like most days, you know. And, you know, I've never last shot on a woman. I've never done anything, nothing, you know. I handle a grace and then I go scream at a pillow when she's not around.

You know, I was like, gosh, I'm doing it, you know? But it took every instance to just like pick every fight possible. And like she always saw the wrong in every situation. And we were, there's a couple of things going through my mind right now that I can say. But I'll say this one. You say them. We were driving past Nissan Stadium.

We were just downtown. This was back in like 21 or something like that. We were just downtown hanging out with a couple friends, you know, day drinking around Demongru and Midtown area. And then she was like, hey, I want to go freshen up at the house, go change for tonight because we're going to go out that night. And I think we're celebrating a birthday or something like that. And I was like, okay, let's go back to the house for an hour and then we'll meet up with

our friends again. So we got in an Uber, start heading back, passing by Nissan Stadium. And I was sitting there. I was like, man, I'm really excited about football season. And, you know, just think about football. And she goes, yeah, yeah, yeah. And somehow the conversation of, like, cheerleading being a sport came up. And I go, yeah, I think cheerleaders are really talented.

You know, the talented dancers. Oh, no. You see where I'm going. Yeah. I go, I think they're really talented. I'd consider it a sport, you know, most. That's nice of you, by the way. In most ways.

Yeah. I consider it a sport because, you know. blah, blah, blah. And then she goes, I think all cheerleaders are sluts. Oh, my God. I looked at it like my jaw dropped. I go, how dare you? And then I have a friend that danced for Dallas.

And she wasn't on the cheer team. She was on the dance team. And I go, well, so-and-so, my friend, I've known for years, a lot longer than I've known you, dances. And I think she's very talented. And she loves what she does. I'd consider that a sport. And she goes,

well, she's a blah. She's a duh. Oh, geez. It doesn't matter who you are. They're all. That doesn't. Excuse my language, but like,

horrors is what she said. You know, it's like. Jeez. And, you know, it's like stuff like that. Yeah. I mean, all that is is insecurity. Every day.

And I understand that. Yeah. You know, it's, I'm not. Well, and it's not an excuse for it. It's not. At all. Yeah. But I understand, you know.

Wow. How long do you do you do? date her for. Six months, seven months. Okay. It was on and off towards the end, but. Yeah. Man.

I'll tell another story, actually, since we're being honest. Yeah, we're always on us, too. It was the same kind of thing. We're in Uber. You want to meet our friends downtown. We're passing by. Is this the same girl, by the way? I'm not going to say.

So no. Yes? Oh, now I don't know. We're passing by this. We're getting on the. exit ramp to go to tin roof, I think. And right there, I think it's called like Hustlers Club or something like that. Oh, yes, yes, yes.

It's a strip club, right? I don't know. Yes, I'm pretty sure it is. I have no idea what it is. Good answer, I do. It's a strip club. I don't know. I'm pretty sure.

But on the side of it, they got like girls in lingerie. Yeah. And I was sitting there and, you know, sipping, having a road soda before we get there. And I'm sitting there looking out the window this entire time. might I add like half half the drive I'm looking out the window and I'm sitting there and we got to the stoplight sitting there still looking out the window and obviously I noticed it it's big right

I didn't think anything of it and I just look forward and she goes are you seriously are you seriously looking at that like freaked out right before we're about to go to the bar and hang out with a friend and I'm like no I'm not oh my God it's too much obviously I noticed it's huge.

Yeah. It was stuff like that. That's one of my biggest pet peeves is just... That's... Life is too beautiful to sit here and think about every possible thing that could go wrong. Right. Yeah, exactly. But you're creating something out of nothing.

I mean, that's just crazy. So do you feel like now with dating, you can kind of spot that behavior? I can. I can. I can. Yeah. 100%. Yeah.

I mean, obviously, there's... I've talked to a couple girls. you know over the past couple years and I don't know I feel like I've matured a lot in a sense of like what I what I actually want and what I look for and you know I kind of I'll see something and I'm like that that was weird yeah yeah don't do that that was that was really weird you know that wasn't nice don't do that you snapped at the waiter oh no obviously I don't I don't say that yeah yeah I just take like mental notes about stuff like that or do you take a mental note and then you're like, I'm not going to hang out with this girl again.

100%. Right? You're not like, oh, see what happens next time. I can tell you how many times I've been hanging out with somebody and been like, this is the last time we're hanging out. Yeah. Because, you know, your morals don't align with mine. Or you don't hold the same, like, moral values.

Yeah, exactly. You don't treat people good. Right. Right. Or maybe it's just like the right person or just wrong time or whatever. I don't know. I just, I'm very aware of, I'm more aware of my emotions and thoughts now. Yeah.

I'd say. That's great. Do you, do you actually go on dates? Like, would you take a girl to dinner? Or is it more just, yeah, okay. Yep, 100%. What's your ideal date? What time of year is it?

Oh. Okay. Well, shit. Let's do winter and summer. Winter? Okay. Y'all, we're going hunting. We're going hunting.

You're going to sit your ass in a beer stand. Yeah. You're going to love it. No. In the winter, I think, oh, that'd be more of a vacation. If we're, like, in town, we're going to date. I think the easiest thing in the winter is, like, bundle up, go get some soup at a local place or, like, go to dinner.

Or, I think, I think movie nights around the couch with the campfire going. I think, you know, that's considered a date while, like, you know, cook your dinner beforehand. You're going to make her dinner? Yeah. Cute. I love that. I'll say that's my idea. What date number is that?

What date night are you, like, finally inviting her girl over and making her dinner? Oh Would that ever be a first date? I don't know. Depends on the girl. Depends on the girl. Yeah. Yeah.

When are you pulling out the guitar and say, do you play the guitar? You do, right? I do. Yeah. At what point are you pulling out the guitar and singing, serenading this girl? I don't really do that.

You won't? I think it's cheesy. You know? Unless they're like, hey, can you play me the song? Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. But I think, I don't want to be like that.

Date one, you're all, I'm going to play something. Here's wonderful. That would. Yeah, I agree. That would be awful. Yeah, I don't, I think that's cheesy. You know, obviously, you know, I'm an artist and I do that. So it's like, how about you?

I want to see if you like the things that you don't see, you know, music or artists. Yeah. But in the summer. Okay. Boat. Oh, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun. Day on the lake. Yep.

My friends, your friends. Yeah, that's fun. You have a boat? I do. We've got beautiful lakes here. I don't think people realize that. Yeah. Old Hickru is really shallow. It's kind of a really shitty lake in a lot of ways. It's like got shallow spots. It's a, it's a boat owner's nightmare. Oh, really? Yeah. But yeah, I mean, just a good boat day on the lake. That's fine. Yeah. I'm a huge, like outdoor movie person. So like a drive-in movie, there's a place called Star Dust, I think, somewhere around Nashville. And I like to, I like to go there in the summer or honestly just go fishing. Yeah.

Yeah. I love it. Or go day drink. There's nothing better, honestly. On the water. Yeah, that's very fun. That's my favorite stuff to do. Day drinking is elite.

Okay, so you have a day off in Nashville. You don't have to do anything. What is your ideal day? Not even, like, just for you, not even with a girl. Just in general. That's a good question. Probably doesn't happen that often anymore for you. No, it doesn't.

I like to, so if I'm not, like, morbidly hung over from the night before. Are you drinking every night? No. Okay, okay, okay. And I've been doing, I've been doing really good. I honestly drink more when I have time off. That makes, well, yeah, it makes sense. When I'm on the road, I'm pretty on it.

Like, I'll have maybe two or three a night. Two before, two after. Oh, do you always have to have a drink before? I try. It's kind of like a routine. Like, I'll start drinking like an hour before and I'll like two before I get on stage. And then after I have like two or three. And I'm like, about that time, it's one, two o'clock in the morning.

I'm like, all right, I'm going to bed. Yeah. But I'm a lot worse off. Like I just had like two months off and I was in the islands and I was in I went back home and hung out with my friends. I was having a good time. As you should. I was. Yeah, as you should.

I felt a little guilty about it. No, you're young. That's what you should be doing. Work hard, play hard. Yeah, that's right. But I don't know, I'm pretty good on the road. I try to keep work, work. Yeah.

Obviously, I have a time of one. Yeah. If I have a day off, I mean. Like, are you sleeping in? I'm sleeping in. How late can you sleep in? Not very late. Yeah.

Depends. Depends on the day. Most of the time my body wakes me up like four nine. Yeah. You a coffee drinker? I haven't had a caffeine in like eight years. Damn. Good for you.

Not even like a dark soda. Wow. You know, like caffeinated tea. Amazing. Why did you? So you used to drink caffeine? I mean, I've had it. Okay.

It wasn't like an addiction that you were like, I got to get off of this. You just haven't. Yeah. I think the last time I had caffeine was probably like 18 years old. Wow. Oh my gosh. That's great. Okay.

So you're not having a coffee in the morning. Not having a coffee. I will have some like decaf tea if I'm not feeling too good. Okay. Protein shake. Yep. Yep. I got my fair life protein shakes that I like and I drink them every morning.

There you go. Nice. And then so your daff, what are you going to do after that? You have your protein shake. Now you can do whatever the hell you want. I love movies. Okay. I'll sit there and probably binge watch a TV show or watch four.

movies in a row. Really? Yeah. I cook myself steak and rice and yeah. Maybe pour myself a glass of whiskey a night just to... Love it. So you're just lounging. You are... Louncing most of the time. Yeah, good. Good. Good. As you should. But in the summer it kind of changes like, I'm like,

all right, it's warm out. I don't know. I feel like the sunshine just gives me like a energy. A boost of energy where I can just go. I know. I feel that. I'm like, all right. Boys come over. Yeah. Let's throw a party. Let's go on the boat, whatever it is. It's so fun. There's nothing better. What is your favorite thing about Nashville?

It's a good question. Like not related to music. Yeah. Or, I mean, it could be. Just like, what is it so much that you love about this place? Because it is a special place for many different reasons. I'd say how hungry everybody is to succeed. Oh, that's very cool.

I'd say it's very inspiring for me, especially on those days where I'm like, man, I'm not feeling it. You know, then I'll get on a phone with one of my son. all right buddies or somebody like jesse jo will like send me a song idea and then whatever it is and then i'll be like no this is cool see like this is cool like being submerged and surrounded by people that want to succeed as much as i do even though i don't feel like it right now and i feel like down on myself or i'm just tired or whatnot but it's it's cool to have people succeeding around you because that ultimately wants it helps you want to do the same yeah it's inspiring yeah Do you go to Broadway?

I mean, I've seen you there. I haven't been to Broadway in a long time. Those days are behind you. There was a time. There was a time where I did. Yeah. What about this summer? Would you ever go during the day, day drinking?

It would be hard now, I think. Yeah, it would be different for you. You know, but no, I got my like house. I got. Yeah. I got people that I love that live in Nashville and I got all my avenues. You know, I don't need to go. go anymore. No. I definitely don't.

You're good. Once in a blue moon, it's fun. Maybe once, like, once or twice a year. That's what I do. You know? I think it's so fun. Yeah. Like having friends in town who don't live here, it's like, all right, let's go. See, that's the, that's the kicker. Everyone's like, hey, I'm going to Nashville, March 12th

or 18th or something like, whatever it is. Yeah. I have fun. All right. That's what I told them now. I was like, have fun. Go here, go here. If you need anything, call me. I'll set some up for you. Yeah. Oh, that's so funny. You gotta go once in a blue moon. I think it's fun.

Yeah. Oh, well. Okay, I want to hear about your writing process because I'm fascinated about how these songs come to life. And I know just talking to a few different people over the years, everyone has a different process, a different style. So what's your starting point and how does a song come to life? It varies on the day and it varies on the song, obviously.

But I'm a very melodic writer. So I feel like... What does that mean? So a melody. Oh, okay. Got it. So I have to hear a melody or, create a melody in order to like wrap my head around it.

It's just the way. I don't see like, I don't see like how some people see like, see sounds as colors. I've never heard of that. Yeah. I don't like physically see colors, but like in my head it's like, it's like this puzzle, colorful puzzle thing. It's like I got to have the melody. And then I start writing feelings over a melody.

And then I start making the words make sense. And then, you know, it's kind of one of those things. Cool. That's just me. And then some people, you know, only write to guitar or only, you know, or have to have to write a poem first and then put melodies over it. You know, it's just different for everybody. But I'm very just melody driven. Yeah.

Someone told me one time they literally just go into a recording studio and just start singing. Yeah. I was like, what? And the words just come out? That's how wind up missing you came about. Oh, wow. Really? Obviously.

So you were, you had an idea for like the emotion that you wanted to convey? Yes. Okay. And I told the emotion to, you know, I wrote it with Thomas Archer and Crystal Court. And I told that emotion that I was feeling that morning. I was like, it's sunny for the first time. And about a week and a half in Nashville has been raining, gloomy. I said, I want to write what that makes me feel like.

And I pointed outside. And I pointed to the sky. And I was like, windows down. I miss summer. Let's write something that feels good. Wow. So he had that. Dan, da, da, da.

That chrysichord had that riff. and then Thomas Archer had this idea the title wind up missing you I was like I don't know what that means but I'm just going to start freestalling I was like You know I'm always on a sunset Wow

That just came out It just came out Wow They're like I don't know what that means I'm recording record And uh That is so cool It was a happy accident

But we had a vision of what we wanted it to feel like And kind of what we wanted it to be about after that initial like burst of whatever that melody is. So how long does it take to write a song? So there was that initial burst. And then from there, what happens? That one took us about like writing itself, probably 45 minutes to an hour.

Oh, wow. That's fast. Very quick. Is that abnormal or can that happen sometimes? It depends. That's how you know you got a good one. If you're not working too hard on it. Yeah.

That's very cool. Yeah. And then there's songs. Then there's those songs where you have to, like, it's just a mental battle. And you're sitting there banging your head against the wall, trying to figure out what rhymes with blue. Right. And how does it relate to her and me and whatever it is?

But most of the best songs that I got can't, you know, come out in like 45 minutes or what was. That is so cool. On a writing aspect. And then you got to, you know, go sing vocals and, you know, record the demo or whatnot. Right. Yeah. Would you say that your songs really do reflect where you were at? at at that time? Or sometimes is there like a seed of truth to a song and then it's really

just about like creating something beautiful? Most of the time, especially now and especially with this second record, the second album, it is all true. You know, it's all just like obviously you throw in a like little flavor here maybe in like the second verse. It's like, oh, it wasn't really here, it was here, but this thing's better. Panama City sing better, whatever. Right. Okay. Than Kentucky. Right. Whatever it is.

Obviously, there's different flavors that you can put into these songs, but it's, it's very true, especially, you know, lately how I've been writing is all kind of autobiography. How do you say that word? Autobiography. Auto biographical. Yeah, there you go. Jesus. Dumb and dumber. I write songs.

Yeah, right? Well, yeah, I mean, it's got to be. be really therapeutic, right, to be able to put all that on paper. I've always said, you musicians have it so good because you can basically talk shit about someone in a song and it's art. It's okay. Like, if I come on my podcast and talk about it, people are like, can you shut up about it? You guys really haven't made. That's hilarious. What is your favorite song to perform? Ooh, gosh. I mean, Burnett is crazy every night. A song that surprised me, so we're a weekend to this tour or a weekend in three shows. A song that really surprised me.

especially the first night because I wasn't expecting it was break first. Oh. And we play it second in the set right now. So it's a second song. But as soon as I started, it's just like everybody. It was like a everybody's hands in the air jumping up and down, dance and singing. That one really surprised me because it wasn't like a radio song. It wasn't a huge, huge, huge streamer.

That's interesting. Very interesting. Yeah. I mean, it streams well, but yeah, it wasn't like a, this is it song for the last record. And all three of the shows, that song kind of popped off? Every show. Oh, interesting.

Every show. I love that. What's your personal favorite song? Do you have one song that just means everything to you? I think wind up. Just because it changed your life. Because it changed my life. Yeah.

Yeah. And it doesn't matter where I'm at. I could be in BFE, Kentucky. For all I know, I can be playing a show. And I start playing that song. and I take a moment and I don't like mean to do this every night but it's kind of became a moment

the third chorus I just let the crowd sing it and I take the mic away and I just look around and every single night I try to take a moment whether it's like five seconds or ten seconds or what it is I just look around and I look at I try to look at everybody in the face that I know as many people as I can and just like really soak it in.

That's kind of my moment during that song is to it's I take that moment for me Yeah. Yeah. Like, okay, I've given you guys a great show. I'm going to take this moment for me. Yeah. It's humbling in a way, right? It is.

Yeah. Yeah. It is. And it's so important to do that because you never forget where you came from. Yeah. Yeah. That's amazing. Reminding yourself.

Yep. I love it. Okay. I want to play a game with you. Okay. Okay. It's called Hot or Not. And it's basically just situations with made up situations with girls.

And I just want you to tell me if you think it's hot or not. Okay. Okay. She knows every lyric to every one of your song. She knows every lyric To every song Of mine? Yeah

How long we've been together Or am I just meeting You know, it's like you guys have been On a couple dates And she just, like she's a super fan That's, uh, can I do middle? Yeah, okay, that's fine No, it's not

It's not right? It's a little, a little crazy But if she does it in like a daring way It's like Or like you guys have been dating And then she learns it That's different, that's different But no like off the bat

She knows every lyric You know what? I think it's hot when people know my songs. All right? I'm going to say hot. Learn them all. All right. Learn them all. Okay. She's vegan. Not. I eat way too much steak. Yeah. Okay. She says I love you after three dates. Not. You like a slow burn. Slow burn. Yeah. Let's just, let's figure out if we actually do love each other.

Okay. Yeah. Wise words. Okay. She's dated another country musician. Not. She's an influencer. Not. She already has a kid. What's that word even mean? I don't even fucking know. I hate that word.

I don't know. What are you influencing? Yeah, exactly. Okay. Four people to buy these socks? TikTok shop. Jasmine nuts. I know.

I agree. Oh my God. I think it was Snoop Dog that had this amazing quote that was like being Instagram famous as like being rich at Monopoly. Like it's not real. I love that so much. 100%. Right.

Okay. I will say this though. If people are using it to like, better the world. Like, and actually using it to like starting a fundraiser or like hosting events that, you know, for like cancer research or, you know, kids or whatever. Yes, yes. If they're using that to do good, I think you're an influencer.

Okay. You are influencing people to better themselves and better the world. Okay. I like that. If you're trying to get people to buy your, your yummy, gummy, gummy, hair growing, whatever. Gumbo, wumbo, hair, whatever it is.

Yeah. No. What are we doing? What are you doing? What are we doing? Why you like this? That's the society we live in. It's crazy.

Okay, she already has a kid. I respect it, and I respect single mothers. Thank you. Thank you. I didn't know you had kids. I have three kids. No, you don't? Yes.

That's crazy. Yeah, I have three kids. I don't know that. Yeah. I'm not. Also, I'm not asking for me, okay? Every time I have a guy come on the podcast, everyone's like, oh, my God, you're flirting with him. I'm like, no, I'm not.

This is not for me. I respect single mothers. I really do. My mom was one most of my life. Me personal, where I'm at in my life right now, I don't think I can do it. Yeah, fair. And you want your own kids one day? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, no, I respect that. She hates country music. Not. Okay. She's a city girl. Hates country music. Like all she listens to is like, EDM and.

Yeah, I guess. Or maybe not, maybe not rap and EDM, but she just she doesn't dabble with country. I feel like that there's a lot of gray area in there. Fair. There's a lot of different types of country. There really is.

It's all country. She doesn't like any of it. Not. Not. Yeah. Okay. I like the oldies too much. Okay, right, right.

She's a city girl. Like, let's say she lives in New York. Not. No. You're not messing with New York City. She'll come visit, though. I love the shows that I play up in New York City. And I love all of the fans that come to see me in New York City like they did on Friday.

Oh, right, right. Yep. We love them. I love it. I'm just not a city kind of person. Like, you can't wait. You love it, and then you can't wait to leave. Not necessarily.

Oh. You know what I like? You really like to be very peacey. Like, you got to say the right. right thing. And I get it. I get it. I'm excited to get back to the wilderness. Okay, yeah. That's fair. Or the lake. Okay. That's fair. Okay. That's it. You survived. You survived. Okay. Tell everyone where they can find you and then where they can find your tour schedule as well. Hi, I'm Tucker Wetmore and you can find me at the nearest Chipotle right after this because I'm starving.

Now you can find me on social media at Tucker Wetmore and I'm on a world tour right now. And what Tucker Wetmore.com? Is that where they can find your tour schedule? Is that a thing? I think so. Oh my God. I do have a website. Yeah. Or just Google it. Google it. Google me or Bing or whatever you use. Google Chrome. Is that a thing? Yeah, it is. Now you can ask chat GPT. There's so many different options now. That's right. Ask your mom. She probably knows. Oh, my God. I'm just kidding. Thank you. Thank you so much. You're amazing. Thank you. Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.