Let's Find Out - Astronomers sent a "CHEERS!" to aliens in 1983 (and other SETI messages to extraterrestrials) | ASMR

Episode Date: August 28, 2023

In 1983, two Japanese scientists, Masaki Morimoto and Hisashi Hirabayashi, pioneers in the field of radioastronomy and the search for extraterrestrial intelligence (SETI), got inebriated as they celeb...rated the Tanabata star festival. They decided to use a radio telescope at Stanford to send a message to one of the brightest stars in the sky, Altair. In the message was information about our planet, our evolution, the human species, and even a high-spirited sign-off, sending both the English word "TOAST" and the Japanese equivalent, "KANPAI" (乾杯). And I love the playful sentiment. 40 years later, their scientific progeny are listening for a response. Spoiler alert. We haven't heard back... yet. But we also explore the nature of these and other messages to possible intelligent alien life out there listening like we are. We touch upon SETI, the Arecibo message, and a few other attempts at establishing a first contact with an extraterrestrial alien species. Thanks so much for watching. ▸ Want to leave a tip or connect?: https://linktr.ee/letsfindoutasmr Check out the videos on YouTube, say Hi on Instagram, X, or Discord, or support the channel via Paypal, Patreon or Kofi. Thanks for watching and listening! Note about Ads: Only a single 30 to 60-second Ad will ever play at the beginning (not in the middle or at the end) of my podcasts. Also, all advertisements are chosen by my podcast distributor to be suitable for my content. They aren't chosen by me personally. #alien #science #astronomy #educational #letsfindout #ASMR #relaxing #space

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Starting point is 00:00:00 So I stumbled upon this article today that said that we might be receiving messages from aliens today. A message emitted 40 years ago. Would have had enough time to make the return trip been received, digested, decoded, and emitted a response emitted back to us in the intervening time because it was to the Star Altair, which is the 12th brightest, star in the sky and it's really close in a galaxy that's possibly two two hundred thousand I was gonna say maybe 300,000 light years across 16.7 light years is practically next door so that means that August 22nd 2023 which I probably
Starting point is 00:00:52 probably won't even edit this video in time to get out today but might be the day that we make first contact with aliens But you know, I don't want to keep you guys waiting till the end of the video. So I'll just tell you up front there is a very small chance that we're gonna even not even today, but at any point receive a return response from this message because the star is relatively young and it's a bright. It seems to be a very much larger star, but it seems to be a pretty active star too. and you need a old star to be able to allow and it needs to be stable to be able to allow the developing evolving life to not fry every time you have a solar outburst of cosmic rays and what is it called coronal mass ejections to blow off and zap you with radiation from the star the
Starting point is 00:01:57 Oh, the second point was that the message apparently here, I'll show you guys, says the word toast at the end of it. So it has a lot of these characters, and these were, and has the word toast at the end of it, just to get to the point rich, because they were apparently drunk or, you know, getting a little toasty when these scientists back in 1983 decided to send this message. and they actually included the Japanese word, which is Ken-Kin-Pai. I'll correct myself in the minute, I'm sure, which means cheers. English is to toast, physical clink. Insert Austin Powers meme there. And they did it in ingest, obviously in earnest, partly too,
Starting point is 00:02:51 but also I like this aspect that the one of the authors, who, unfortunately passed away in 2010 in the spirit of inspiring the youth so it was written by morimoto and hirabayashi morimoto said that we will cut this part out okay i found it was on a different article morimoto described as an inspiration for the younger generations entering the newly born radio astronomy community in japan back in nineteen eighteen Oh, he himself was an inspiration. Okay. I took it as a quote of him talking about his message here.
Starting point is 00:03:48 But I wanted to talk about this because it's a good jumping off point for explaining the general thinking behind messages, how to send them in what form, what we expect, where to send them, what to send what is the content that's relatable
Starting point is 00:04:16 between humans and aliens and in a big way I think I read a no I didn't read I listened to a podcast most scientists 90 95% of scientists were inspired to get into science
Starting point is 00:04:35 through science fiction and that's The reason I was inspired to start my channel to really just had an interest in science in general was through books, articles, in television, and movies talking about science fiction, futurism, technology, exotic features of the universe. and then aliens technology talking about how where the optimistic predictions about humanity's fate I think is a core thread
Starting point is 00:05:21 among a lot of science fiction some of it's horror and tragedy but a lot of it is especially Arthur C. Clark he in rendezvous with Rama which was you're really similar to the Amuamua asteroid interstellar object being a long cylindrical shape that was sent flew by the earth to see
Starting point is 00:05:49 kind of test where the human's technological capabilities were but it was ultimately a I guess a comedy in the traditional sense of just being a happy ending and to me that's always and still does inspire me and interstellar is a huge inspiration all of Carl Sagan's work yeah I guess that's a long tangent just to say that science fiction is really inspiring and so I love speculating and I love reading about the intelligent speculation from actual scientists who know the science and technology and are really good at the math to be able to
Starting point is 00:06:33 They're very immersed in the The environment of Technology and science and knowledge gathering to the point where they can They are the most credible authorities on making on speculating the likelihood of our ever coming in contact with aliens how we would do so Where we would do so where and then where our technologies might lead in the future. Even if we don't ever come in contact with aliens,
Starting point is 00:07:09 we eventually will become interstellar species, space-faring individuals. All of that just fascinates me. And this was a great jumping off point because the likelihood of interacting with aliens, I think, is other than a global religious experience, I mean, in a way you can argue it is. It's like a global Armageddon apocalypse if they're negative aliens. But it could be a positive, optimistic ending of our isolated history, our pre-contact civilization.
Starting point is 00:07:54 And to me, that's just really exciting to think about. So is the toast, the likelihood of it actually being... Oh, and then the third thing up front that I sort of know, we're getting into the meat of the video, so I'm not quite up front here at this point, but is the, why are we choosing today, April 22nd? Because there was an article written in 2008 that said 2015 might be the earliest receipt, which would be 30, who was it, 83, 30? years. So late 2015, early
Starting point is 00:08:38 2016 for a star, Altair being 16.7 light years distant. But regardless, the message itself was sent from back in 1983. And so I think the
Starting point is 00:08:54 probably the last sensational bit of information that I could clear up for you guys if you're just trying to click and move on or hurry up and get to sleep or ignore me just keep me in the background for chatter
Starting point is 00:09:09 which is totally cool I'm okay with that there are plenty of things out there that are more important than listening to me rambled about alien communication thank you guys by the way for even watching and you know what thank you I had a little list
Starting point is 00:09:25 I've been trying to keep tabs on all you guys just my recent supporters donators real quick I just want to say give you a shout out say thanks grant Thomas Taylor Leanne Leah J.M those are initials and Benton thank you guys so much so this this message was sent out in 1983 a round trip if they were immediately you know within a couple weeks or months of receiving it if they were able to again decode it and they want to to send us back a message. It would have been about 32 to 34 years, which would have been about in 2015, 2016. But they think the extra seven, six, seven years is because the, so Altair is a symbolic star to the Japanese. The stargazers decided that August 22nd, when the July 7th Tanabata
Starting point is 00:10:33 Star Festival featuring celestial lovers. Altair and Vega falls on the lunar calendar was a good time as any to be on standby for a message from out there and Before we get into the meat of what the message and the drawings are, which is cool. I and then I want to jump Jump off to the Eurcebo message and we can talk about other things, but I wanted to explain the actual dates in Tanabata. Here we go Japanese pray that a cowherd and a weaver, lovers separated in mythology by the Milky Way, can meet at least once a year on July 7th. The cowherd is represented by Altair in the constellation Achila
Starting point is 00:11:26 while a weaver is identified as Vega in the constellation Lyra. Tanabata falls August 22nd on the lunar calendar this year, and in 1983 when the hello is anybody there signal was beamed into the heavens it fell on August 15th this is the point where I should go into the body of the message now and speaking of body so check check out the image of the family here I thought this was really funny and the astronomer the they were just laughing about how, you know, the message could be mistranslated because they are, there are, you know, there are symbols and there are actual words, abstract words, and, and, well, let's get it right.
Starting point is 00:12:32 Because there are images, basically, if you know how to decode the message, which, which apparently with the Erecibo message, the famous one that looks like, this one right here that it has so much information in it and at such a low resolution the whole thing is only 1600 barely not even 1700 bits long so it's not even two kilobytes kilobits i was reading that the ericebo message was really you know it's very unlikely that i think what it was was it the team gave the message in its, in its, you know, not encrypted, but coded form. It's not decoded.
Starting point is 00:13:26 So they literally sent the strings of bits that they beamed out in space through radio waves to three really, you know, top, top minds, three scientists. And only one of them was able to figure out that it was even in binary, but they couldn't even decode it once they understood that aspect of it. So that was really interesting that, you know, there might be a likelihood that they wouldn't even be able to decode the message. But, you know, if we were to get a message,
Starting point is 00:14:08 it all depends on your level of motivation, I guess. If we thought we got a message from aliens, you bet your butt. We would be putting enough people on it until we decoded and were able to translate an intelligible message, you know, out of it. But so the two guys who wrote it, 1983, radio astronomy is young, especially in Japan. remember Hiroshima and Nagasaki 1945 Japan was
Starting point is 00:14:49 Those two cities were decimated And so Japan Was much later to start In the technology industry Than the US for instance But rapidly In the 70s and 80s
Starting point is 00:15:05 60s through You know 90s through today Really they were able to catch up with the industrialization and the technological innovation of the West and radio astronomy is a big part of that so radio astronomy is the best or it was one of the more popular ways because radio waves more bang for your buck more efficiently
Starting point is 00:15:53 they're able to go further because the radio waves are longer and just generally are able to permeate through matter and gas and dust and what have you Berkeley City why radio waves Earth's radio waves at certain times and frequencies outshine all other sources in the solar system the waves from our broadcasts leak outwards in spherical shell and these could potentially be found by distant detectors since they travel at the fastest possible speed and speed of light takes my much less time I guess we would leak out radio waves okay I'm sure there's a an obvious other
Starting point is 00:18:04 benefit that I'm not seeing right now but um this message circling back is very extemporaneous of me was so it was sent out from Stanford actually It's developed by the astronomers. Masaki Morimoto, Hisashi Hirabayashi in 1983 to Japanese astronomers. So they were using the Stanford University telescope while drunk, they said. And, yeah, so there was a bit of cheek, the message. But I love the playful nature. of it it's the reason I want to talk about avi loebbs a Galileo project where he's literally
Starting point is 00:19:01 combing the bottom of the ocean to look for a meteor that apparently was traveling so fast that it had to have been interstellar and so he's gonna see if there's you know any evidence that there's it was artificially made or manipulated in any way but um i like him he's the i think the chair of the Harvard Astronomy Department. So he's very accredited. He's very legitimate. But he has the curiosity of a child, the intelligence of an absolute genius,
Starting point is 00:19:40 but he, I guess, as a virtue, he's able to maintain his childlike wonder. And the open-mindedness that goes along with that. He's not he's not refuting completely going head over heels in gullibility and making any sort of defined definite statement for or against all this alien UFO talk. He simply wants to gather data and use data to make a conclusion. He's not above speculating, but he's above. You know, a declarative statement for or against from a position of authority before he has enough data, which I really like. And that's just why I appreciate that there is a bit of cheekiness, tongue and cheek and playfulness to this message.
Starting point is 00:20:44 So, you know, the star is young and there might not be a lot of, there might not even be, you know, viable planets around there. but he says they did it because it was good enough quote it was good enough and he's glad about it especially after all the messages he got from school children everywhere quote children's response is the best thing in quote so hirabayashi and morimoto sent the email back in 1983 but it was lost for apparently decades and has just been rediscovered by the latter Mirimoto So he died in 2010 and this article was written in 2008 so just around that time
Starting point is 00:21:34 and at the Nishi Hirima Astronomical Observatory Hirabayashi says they were drunk and explains why some of the 1371 by 71 pixel images
Starting point is 00:21:50 are the molecular formula for ethanol just alcohol, and the cheers, the kum pie. So again, in the spirit of play, they came up with it while drinking, and they thought it would be cool. They thought it would be a great idea to, you know, have some fun with it.
Starting point is 00:22:23 Which is, so it's a lot more playful, a lot less formal, I guess, than the more sober message, so to speak, of, well, any other, almost any other of these sent messages because there are some other playful ones or at least more artistic messages out there that maybe I'll touch upon in a little bit here
Starting point is 00:22:48 I was trying to find exactly what let's see what these if they could translate them let's see Shinya Narasa So Shinya Narasa Naru Narasawa, sorry
Starting point is 00:23:18 He's leading the team that are following up on the messages So Here, Miramoto and Hirabayashi Aren't They aren't the guys leading the team
Starting point is 00:23:36 Maybe Hirabayashi is You know, able to provide some input But it was Narasawa Who I guess the reporters contacted to get information about the signal here.
Starting point is 00:23:57 So they're used from Stanford, they use the Stanford Telescope Radio Telescope to transmit it in August 15th, 1983, as part of a space team-themed project commemorating the 15th anniversary of the weekly comic anthology Shonen Jump. Interesting. On scientific, Morimoto was a Japanese pioneer
Starting point is 00:24:30 in the field of SETI, search for extraterrestrial, intelligence and worked at the Tokyo Astronomical Observatory of the University of Tokyo, now part of the National Astronomical Observatory of Japan. And yeah, there's so many exoplanets that have been discovered since the late 90s when Hubble and other missions set out to really canvas the nearby galaxy or nearby neighborhood of stars for exoplanets and it's like we're in the thousands now started out just a few dozen now we're able to and we're able to just to look at hot jupiter's the biggest brightest most reflective most gravitationally tugging you know impactful planets on their stars could notice their stars
Starting point is 00:25:32 wobble but now we've had actual resolutions of we've been able to resolve the actual pictures of even if they're only a couple pixels wide of actual exoplanets so they don't think that alter because it's so close they've been able to kind of look towards it that it has exoplanets or planets around it but um but yeah it is it It's a pretty close star and so, you know, we could, it makes sense to send the signal to the closest stars to us, just in case they have life. Because we're likely to get a response, a fairly prompt response in galactic or cosmic terms. Analysis. I like that.
Starting point is 00:26:34 That's promising. Was this written? May 2023. probably won't be able to... Or can I? It's exciting if it's not behind a paywall. Well, still, this is pretty cool to be a consolidation of all the different messages sent. I, you know, we can look at it real quick, but you know, maybe we'll, uh, because I already would have shown you guys the messages here.
Starting point is 00:27:47 We can look at these after we break down what the Erecibo message is and, uh, you know maybe we're can have a better context it's i guess it's essentially i was just curious what the smallest scales were whether they were atoms maybe their atoms molecules then you know biochemistry biochemical dna and whatnot is that is in like a g a t like those are the actual uh uh DNA molecules so they're do they have Japanese letters did they send the message in Japanese and English that would be confusing but nonetheless they have clearly that's DNA unicellular multicellular organisms fish and then the fish creeping
Starting point is 00:29:02 out of the water which I would be curious to know like how it would interpret this how we get it without the dang by save it because it does you know it seems obvious to us at least to some extent that this line here on slide 8 would be the ocean the like a water a what do you call it you know a boundary between phases or you know gas and liquid or at least later of maybe a different chemical composition. So it could be going out of a really thick gas into a lighter gas. I'm just wondering how it could be interpreted here.
Starting point is 00:30:27 Obviously fish are... The evolution on life on Earth is fish, and then they grow limbs and they structures and they go from reptiles to apes. This is really to humans. And then a close-up of the human waving is five digits. it's really the most concise you know in 12 slides it's the entire humanity and and then they vary in there I'd be curious to know what that slide 13 is right there
Starting point is 00:31:13 Kempai and toast that symbol with that picture is depicting there which you I guess it looks like the radio dish with the antenna it's sending the signal and okay so I guess that's what that is maybe in a way it's like the antenna is when you cheers someone they figured we'll show them the antenna and that's like holding up the antenna instead of the glass of alcohol the beer the whiskey uh so that was 83 and like anything it's it's cool to look at the history in the historical context it sits within they were obviously inspired by you know the desire to search or reach out to aliens which itself is a is debated in the community i think even as recent as 2015 and it makes sense i think at the bottom here it's going to say the erasibo
Starting point is 00:32:27 Wikipedia um they were there's people uh saying hey it might not be a good idea to reach out and the biggest analogy is if you're dropped alone especially at night basically you know in the most vulnerable state as possible in the forest no weapons
Starting point is 00:32:52 and we would be prey we would be easy prey to any any civilization that was advanced enough to have interstellar travel their technology would be so beyond us it would you know it would make us it would be sure and fish in a barrel.
Starting point is 00:33:11 We would be the fish, Earth would be the barrel, or the local, the local spacetime well surrounding that Earth sits within would be the barrel maybe. And so there's scientists saying that, no, it's not a good idea to just shout out into the void
Starting point is 00:33:30 and let everybody know exactly where you are and what level of technology you have. because that might be saying hey we're primitive monkeys with sticks come have your way with us uh it's not necessarily it doesn't have the best outcome to for us if if the big if though they are malicious aliens 2015 on the list of interstellar radio messages wiki 2015 scientists including Frank Drake who worked with Carl Sagan who unfortunately
Starting point is 00:34:22 Carl Sagan's past from cancer in the 90s at a convention of the American Association for Advancement of Science discusses Active SETI and whether transmitting a message to possible intelligent extraterrestrials in the cosmos was even a good idea
Starting point is 00:34:43 One result was a statement not signed by Frank Drake though, so maybe he's more optimistic about the intentions of aliens that a worldwide scientific political and humanitarian discussion must first occur before any message should be broadcast out into the unknown, into the abyss. I'm going to be doing, like I mentioned earlier, I'm going to be doing a lot more, a lot of videos about, aliens I'm gonna do some about UFOs but I'm not as Interested just because there's not so much. There's not a lot of data, but maybe you guys in the comments if you're still watching and you're you know something about that you can point me direct me to some other than the tick-tac because I do want to talk about that one But if you guys have anything else in particular you want to you think might be a credible addition to the Tick-Tac phenomena witnessed by the Air Force pilots. I am all ears. But I wanted to do more scientific approaches to speculating about aliens, where they might be,
Starting point is 00:36:17 the Fermi paradox, why we haven't heard from them yet or detected them yet, or been able to detect them if they're purposely trying to conceal themselves, what influences they might have impressed, imposed upon us already, that we're not aware of, or, you know, what other motives or methods of interacting with us would a few people at the heads of government or elsewhere be currently contacted and aware and just haven't told the rest of the world. Is there any danger? Is there any...
Starting point is 00:36:58 Even if the aliens themselves aren't malicious, the transmission of knowledge, advanced knowledge to anyone in particular might be used by that human. To, you know, for... Even if non-defarious, maybe just selfish reasons that gets out of control if it gets in the wrong hands, you know?
Starting point is 00:37:22 So yeah, it's so fast. But there's a list here of so I wanted to talk about this message was the series of brief So this is a list of there's 12 recognized in a few more on 19 well ever Technical capability but the first was in 1962 called the Morse message then the Erocebo message in 74 And interestingly this message maybe because it was lost like they said So this wiki Wikipedia page might be updated soon. It was in 83. This is the one we're talking about today.
Starting point is 00:38:17 Then the cosmic call in 1999. Four transmissions to nearby sun-like stars. Yeah, and then actually increasingly more and more and more since then. Wow signal replied to that at least. But I just wanted to outline that there exists serious attempts that communicate. So I guess we'll go. The Morse message was a series of brief radio messages in Morse code transmitted to the, directed to the flame. There's an intelligent life on Venus. First radio broadcast intended for extraterrestrial civilizations in the history of mankind. Four minutes later,
Starting point is 00:39:55 signals are also currently in transit to the star HD 13133.6. What's that? So the constellation, the famous star Gleese 581, the light years away. So that's interesting. So in 2000, it would have been able to make the round trip a message from her. It was originally sent in 1960. Or do they mean they used it? They used the same. Is there a source for that?
Starting point is 00:41:07 No. They just said Glees is also located in Libra. So, okay, I guess they just sent it to a different star in the same constellation. All right, so that was the first in 62, and then the Erocebo is one of the most famous from 1974, and it's an interstellar radio message carrying basic information about humanity and earth. And again, I want to do a whole video on this, because it's really cool, the message itself and the motivation and, you know, every, all the context. But this is just getting our toes wet, getting our feet wet. dipping our toes in the water.
Starting point is 00:41:50 So it was a demonstration of human technological achievement rather than a real attempt to enter into a conversation with terrestrials. It was from the massive Erecebo telescope in Puerto Rico that actually was destroyed by a hurricane fell into disrepair. The University of Central Florida from Orlando assumed operation of the facility in 20 years. Sad but very amazing the world. watch on this massive thousand feet wide. 7.55 a.m. on December 1st, 2020. Several of the remaining support cables suffered a critical failure and the support structure antenna and dome assembly
Starting point is 00:43:25 fell into the dish. I think they have. Here's the collapse. This is, wow, man, look at that. It just free falls and those cables just. I guess they were using a drone to look and they watched it, they must have heard it, and they were looking at what the sound was, and there you go. You see it just, as the cable snapped, make up the actual dish itself. So, a lot of structural integrity, just gave way quite the diversion guys, sorry. And that's the after, the Erecibo message. I try to decode, well, I guess there wasn't much more to decode about the, uh, the hero Bayashi, Morimoto message right? Yeah so Carl Sagan who was designed the message here and was
Starting point is 00:46:41 designed by yeah there's no color information so this is just for the human mind to help us and I've never been able to understand the binary behind it I've never really looked too too in depth into it but Carl Sagan and Frank Drake designed it sent it out 25,000 light years from Earth, so it's going to be a little while before we get a return message if we do. And even then they said that, you know, it's going to be a, one of the aspects of it was the stars location. They applied the current three-dimensional coordinates of specific types of stars. I think pulsars in that, you know, pulse regularly so that, you know, pulse regularly so that, We were anybody receiving the message could triangulate our position relative to the pulsars coordinates and
Starting point is 00:48:01 I don't know did this message have that information. I know the the Voyager record did either way anything getting a message 25,000 light year or years from now is going to you know the stars will have moved positions since then so the position that we relayed in the message won't our position won't be accurate but no anybody smart enough to decode it will probably be able to reverse engineer it I'm sure the top to the bottom I'll put it up here are the numbers one to ten or numbers one to ten right to left huh to ten two three four yeah it's left or right What are they talking about? The atomic numbers, unless that image is mirrored.
Starting point is 00:49:38 Okay, so then they have the atomic numbers of the elements. Oh, interesting. They took our DNA in all the elements, hydrogen, that make it up. Carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, and phosphorus are in purple there. Those for the chemical compounds are in green that make up the nucleotides of DNA. so combinations of those atoms the estimated number of DNA nucleotides in the human genome and a graphic look at the double helix structure of DNA which are white and blue respectively okay so the center line because it's a weird fusion between symbols and pictures
Starting point is 00:50:34 So it's like those symbols are supposed to represent actual data and the pictures are just more qualitative, you know, pictures, you know, the human body. It's the general. I mean, you can literally count the number of pixels there. What is it like? 3.6, 8, 22. I mean, there's like 30-ish pixels to make up the human body. It's pretty low-res dispersed with actual. symbols representing constant you know very concrete specific things like the numbers
Starting point is 00:51:23 and then the atomic atomic atomic specific arrangements that make up DNA of the atoms into the chemicals and the chemicals into the DNA deoxy-whatever DNA means the oxyribinucleic acid the actual form the estimated number in the human genome physical height of the average man five nine a graphic figure of a human being in red and the human population of earth which is four billion at the time interesting because you know again that tells uh any nefarious aliens or belligerent maybe is the right word that uh there's only four billion of us maybe we should have said four trillion a graphic but then we could just been a whole planet of ants you know maybe really tiny but I guess when your
Starting point is 00:52:32 technology's big enough it technology out strips the physical size so that's some real a brain thinking on my part but the graphic of the solar system indicating which of the planets the message is coming from so it's saying that here's all the planets in a row and then earth is like boom it's like the one sticking out And it's the relative mass. That's our star. These are the planet. Graphic of the Erecebo radio telescope itself and the dimension,
Starting point is 00:53:27 the physical diameter of the transmitting antenna dish, purple, white, and blue. Our message was 16179 bits or binary digits, approximately 210 bytes, 200 bytes. transmitted at 2.3 megahertz shifted the frequency by 10 hertz with a power of 450 kilowatts the ones and zeros were transmitted by frequency shifting at the rate of 10 bits per second broadcast was less than three three minutes which is you know it's it's that's why it's a shot in the dark I mean we didn't sit there and repeat it for any length of time you would expect to we at least repeat it for an hour, you know, so that anybody seeing it can hit record,
Starting point is 00:54:38 have time to hit record, let other people, you know, know, know about it. I don't know, perhaps catch, if it was halfway through the message, catch the first half that they didn't record initially. So, yeah, it's interesting. So they used the prime numbers, the number of bits. was because 1679 is a semi-prime, the product of two prime numbers. To be arranged rectangularly, they would have to know how to arrange it into 73 rows, you know,
Starting point is 00:55:18 length and width by 23 columns. And it says the alternative arrangement, 23 rows and 73 columns, produces unintelligible images and sets of characters. so that's really interesting yeah I'd like to go into that later but um it all boils down to binary then the cosmic call um so the Erosibo was to the constellation Hercules to m13 the arrival dates which is pretty cool it's 25 000 26 000 years from now cosmic call is in 2069 2057 in 267 2051 to all these different stars, triple star system, 69 light years away. That was, all these were made in 2000.
Starting point is 00:56:28 Then the teenage message, its message structure back in 1999, designed with a noise resistant format, uh, funded by a Texas-based startup that went out of business four years later, five years later, transmitted at 150 kilowatts, 5 gigahertz. Scientific part was sent three times at 100 bits per second, and the public part, 2,000 bits per second. Dual doom this message centered on mathematics. Simple reason for that choice.
Starting point is 00:57:43 Any civilization capable, and I love this here. This is their, I love learning, how do you think, and how smart people think. helps me try to become smarter. Any civilization capable of building a device to receive radio waves from outer space needs mathematics and physics to accomplish that task. For taxes and commerce, any society is going to need some form of mathematics.
Starting point is 00:58:14 So mathematics is truly a universal language. Then later on in the message, some knowledge of physics is introduced and physics is needed to be able to do. describe our surrounding and establish further common ground. You need units of measurement, so we use hydrogen and the spectrum for length and time. Anyone familiar with spectral lines will recognize those lines in relations. The hydrogen and helium atoms are used to introduce mass, so they have length time mass and other units like force, pressure, and power that they use to derive the other, the rest of the message.
Starting point is 00:59:03 That's really cool. So, oh, there was an error. The neutron mass has 1.67392 instead of 1.67492. They corrected it a few years later. Cosmic call number 2 in 2003 was called the Interstellar Rosetta Stone. So cool. Age message, also called the Tam, Russia, prized of a sounding,
Starting point is 00:59:58 what's a sounding, then alive, then alive, the test of selected channels for quality by providing a very brief identifying transmission. Then a Theraman concert, electronic instrument, that cool little instrument, let me give you guys, you like put a loop in a wire, wire and you get to you make just different different sounds they probably have a
Starting point is 01:00:33 look at the yellow at home etherwave theremin by moog oh see and you're stepping off playing it you literally just use your hand okay ooh here we go oh it's probably not gonna record but maybe i'll put it in afterwards that is cool oh that is cool I love that um very very analog It's like having a fretless base or something. So theremin concert. And this one it shows the evolution of our attempts at communicating by saying unlike the previous Erocybo and cosmic call messages, Tam had a three-part structure, each containing different forms of information. It was intended to make the message easier to detect and interpret.
Starting point is 01:01:53 The three elements of each transmission were sounding with a slow Doppler wavelength tuning to imitate transmission from the sun's center in order to help extraterrestrials detect the TAM and diagnose the radio propagation effect of the interstellar medium. So it helps them basically hone in on it and get a very, you know, be able to allow for some clarity in this signal to be able to adjust it in the TORP. attune it to get the most clear signal analog sound put output from a theramine quasi sinusoidal signal which easily extracted from background noise a binary digit and then the third one is binary digital information similar to the Erecibo message greetings in Russian and English and artistic drawings in this section in the concert program were composed by teens from
Starting point is 01:03:03 different parts of Russia that's pretty cool interestingly the location of the telescope is in Ukraine right now and then so it was all the way up to 2003 a message from Earth in 2008 this is the one that was sent to Gleese was that the containing 500 messages that were selected through a competition of the social network site Bebo as of January 25th the message has traveled almost 60 trillion kilometers of the total 192, 30% of the distance to the system. Okay, and that's that same week. A statement was released assigned by many from the SETI community that a worldwide scientific, political, and humanitarian discussion must occur before any messages are sent out in the space.
Starting point is 01:04:16 A second planet discovered in the system, and that's a picture of the science. of the planets somewhere in between Earth and Neptune a mass of five and a half times that of Earth imagine how heavy you would feel and classified as a super earth I really wonder what planable planets like that would be how habitable they would be it's tidily locked though okay so I briefly mentioned this in the James Webb telescope video but that was in six hours of content so don't blame you if you never saw it but there is something called a terminator zone which it's kind of ironic because it's the only instead
Starting point is 01:05:29 of where you would die it's the only possibly habitable part of a tidily locked planet meaning a planet that like our moon keeps the same side facing this its sun and tidily locked earth, not the moon, not the sun, but the Terminator zone. It's only 20 light years away. Is the where the terminus is, here's the ISS as it approaches the Terminator where light meets day meets night. And here it is right there. Tidily locked planet, they, you know, speculate, which is,
Starting point is 01:06:29 really cool to think about the um there's a whole essay i can probably find it that it would be the only habitable part of the planet between the extreme hot of the sun facing side and the stream extreme extreme low temperatures frigid temperatures of the far side of the planet and there might be you know layers of melting water constantly streaming from one side to the other there might be You know, so there would be rivers. It would be the only zone that would be in the habitable temperature zone. And it's really cool to think about the convection of the air, going from hot to cold and a more or less pretty likely circular, you know, pattern if it wouldn't be extreme.
Starting point is 01:07:21 Just, man, it just so interesting to think about it. We're breaking down what the other messages include, and what they are comprised of I thank you to the wonderful person Anton Petrov he actually mentioned this message
Starting point is 01:07:56 in one of his videos from a year ago regarding the I guess an updated version of the Erocebo message and he pointed me to this website from 2008 pink tentacle.com where they
Starting point is 01:08:11 apparently we're able to see this graphic so according to this graphic we'll leave that up it has so I mean I guess the top part that I wasn't able to figure out one of the 13 slides was what the other messages did have in it so it was whole numbers it was fundamental kind of building blocks of communication upon which everything could would depend you couldn't you couldn't build more complex messages once you define numbers lengths and units of time so they have whole numbers prime numbers definition of lengths mathematical operations addition multiplication main chemical elements atomic structure solar system data the size of the planets and distances from the sun of the planets and then it goes on to everything else that's more obvious i guess in the message and at the very end the world population and the message transmission frequency
Starting point is 01:09:41 in the chemical formula for ethanol because they're drinking in the cheers and the toast i like that very cool he's 581 so gleece was a target but yeah it's pretty incredible how many more exoplanets we are discovering every year, I mean month, let alone year. So the observations. This right here from a period of over seven years. Yeah, this is incredible. But anyways, I'm open Hawaii probably. That's the date right there.
Starting point is 01:11:28 29.09 to 016. That's incredible. But this is for Super Jupiter planet. But anyways, it's, you know, they're probably pretty nearby. But, uh, I just think, um, yeah, this was a cool, um, jumping off point to learn a little more about what we, you know, how we approach talking in establishing first contact with aliens. I think that's amazing. greetings to alter and I love the
Starting point is 01:12:32 I mean it's it's generally like that in the scientific community but I just love the camaraderie between humans the borderlessness and as important as cultural heritage you know and in having borders nationally
Starting point is 01:12:51 um you know you don't want to lose so you don't want to do it in a you know a sloppy you wouldn't want to culturally mix in a way
Starting point is 01:13:06 that erases all cultural heritage and tradition that's you know potentially tens of thousands of years old in many cases so the you know distinct cultural qualities
Starting point is 01:13:22 that having separate nations does help I guess kind of retain. I feel like there's definitely a sophisticated way we could go about becoming a global civilization and retaining and respecting global, you know, national cultures. But I love the, nonetheless, I love the camaraderie,
Starting point is 01:13:48 the brother and sisterhood among scientists, especially in situations where there is an air of exploration, and ethos of venturing and courageous venturing you have exploration and searching you know like Star Trek going into the next frontier what was their phrase boldly going man or woman or no human has gone before and I live like even with the moon missions I just learned this the other day there I think Buzz Aldrin or was it Armstrong I think was Aldrin left a commemorative patch of some sort Even though it was during the Cold War where we were neck and neck you know in an arms race a nuclear arms race with Russia
Starting point is 01:14:59 American astronauts paid respects by leaving a patch to the Uriguergen and I forget the other one but the two Russian cosmonauts that lost their lives in while testing rockets, you know, to try to further their missions to space, which I always thought was a beautiful symbol of peace among, even though the fact that it's almost well known nowadays that the space race was just essentially a ballistic missile rate competition and we were you know the the Saturn rockets getting us to the moon putting 17 men on the moon were essentially just an excuse we're a PR front to the moon to
Starting point is 01:15:58 the moon missions were a PR front to just bolster our ballistic missile capability our nuclear weapon delivery system capabilities so the fact that you have huge genuine gestures of peace sticking extending the olive branch amid such a terrifying scenario is a beautiful beautiful thing that shows just like extending our hand out to the cosmos with these messages our desire for understanding and trying to breach and bridge the gap between species in this case so we'll touch upon the rest of these very soon but I'm gonna leave it there because it's getting late but I hope you guys enjoyed this I thought this was just a cool current event something different and again thanks
Starting point is 01:17:11 for all the love guys thanks for the support thanks for the donations thanks for for encouraging me to explore more topics and venture out and try new things. Thanks for coming along with me. I'll see you guys next time.

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