Let's Find Out - Nietzsche's Myth Zarathustra: The Three Metamorphoses (Philosophy of Self-transformation) | ASMR soft-spoken

Episode Date: May 1, 2019

Nietzsche is profound and powerfully insightful, psychologically. He wrote many uniquely stylized books that expounded upon a deep historical and philological (study of languages and their texts) unde...rstanding of our ancient and even prehistoric behavior, beliefs, and how these have shaped our "modern" attitudes (conscious and subconscious) toward each other's actions and lifestyles. We have a life, and we can chose to exercise it or let it atrophy. He encourages the former.

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Starting point is 00:00:09 anthology here that I want to read you a little passage out of it's about we all take different paths to get where we want to be if we led the idealistic life self-help this guy actually is um not only well extremely well read but he's psychologically very acute and he's his observations and I personally have a lot of useful personal insightful information so I'd like to share some he pushes our pushes all of his ideas to their extreme so when he's when it's selfishly he's aphazardly or half-hastly he's um he's trying to the greatest person he can be given our one life.
Starting point is 00:02:36 So he's not justifying mediocrity here. Just to give you guys an idea of how the spirit becomes a camel that is difficult for the spirit. Strong, reverent spirit that would bear much. What is difficult? Most difficult, oh heroes, asks the spirit that would bear much.
Starting point is 00:03:48 That I may take it upon myself and exult in my strength. Is it not humbling, oneself to one's hodiness, one's folly shine to mock one's wisdom. Or is it this, sending home what you want? Or is it this? Stepping into filthy waters when they are the waters of truth and not repulsing frogs? Or is it this the spirit that would bear much takes upon itself? Like the camel that burdened speeds into the desert. Thus the spirit speeds into the desert.
Starting point is 00:05:16 A second metamorphosis occurs and seeks out his last master. He wants to fight him in his last God. The ultimate victory he wants to fight with the great dragon. Who is the great dragon whom the spirit will no longer call Lord and God? Thou shalt. Is the name of the great dragon with the spirit of the lion. says, Thou shalt lies in his way, sparkling like gold, an animal covered with scales, and on every scale shines a golden, thou shalt. Values thousands of years old shine on these scales,
Starting point is 00:06:23 and thus speaks the mightiest of all dragons. Verily there shall be no more. There shall be no more I will. Thus speaks the dragon. Why is there a need in the spirit for the lion? Why is not the beast of burden which renounces his and is reverent enough to create new values that even the lion cannot do but the creation of freedom for oneself for new creation. That is within the power of the lion, the creation of freedom for oneself and a sacred no into duty. For that, my brothers, the lion is needed to assume the right to new values. That is the most terrifying assumption for a reverent spirit that would bear much. Verily, to him it is a praying, a beast of prey.
Starting point is 00:07:56 He once loved, thou shalt, as most sacred. Now he must find illusion and caprice, even in the most sacred, that freedom from his love may become his prey. The lion is needed for such prey. But say, my brothers, what can the child do that even the lion could not? Why must praying, why must the praying lines? still become a child. The child is innocence, forgetting. A new beginning. A game, a self-propelled wheel of first movement. A sacred yes. For the game of creation, my brothers. Spirit now wills his own will. And he who had been lost to the world now conquers his own world. Now conquers his own world.
Starting point is 00:09:06 Of the three metamorphoses of the spirit, I have told you how the spirit became a camel, and the camel, a lion, and the lion finally a child, to list several items that may be considered among the most difficult. Essentially ask ourselves what is most difficult and try to do that, to push ourselves well past our own boundary, boundary and thereby create new strengths and surpass and just thought of as a charlotte and this Nietzsche character here his ideas modern psychology is absolutely permeated with his ideas such as willfully and that's a very important point is not against your will but according um using your own own desire to act, your fears, essentially.
Starting point is 00:12:01 Um, as he said, shaking the hand of the ghost that's, that prides you. What Nietzsche is saying is that before one can become overman, which is his famous, the overman being his highest ideal, his Napoleon Caesar, but even beyond them, people he holds in high regard, Gerta. Essentially his ideal, his Jesus, really. Um, one must battle with fear, love, truth, death, confusion, thirst for knowledge, and all the other aspects of human existence. And the camel embraces these challenges in the name of duty and nobility. Put another way, the camel does not run from life or distract itself, which is two major things that I'm very guilty of doing.
Starting point is 00:13:04 distract yourself in by taking longer than you should or being absorbed in something which is okay but lacking time management to know when to put it down or maybe when to pick it up greets the camel greets life head on and embraces the difficulties that it presents out of a sense of duty doing so the campbell is humbled and strengthened as he said there wasn't prepared one's wisdom. Biggest errors is not having the courage for ones of one's convictions, but in fact I quote this on my Instagram. The wisest way is to have an attack on surely
Starting point is 00:14:49 much less probable, much less likely to be confident through suffering these child resilience necessary to a spiritual metamorphosis. Of course is now the lion. And Nietzsche chose the line because as much as the Nazis used his work to interpret the lion, the figure that's
Starting point is 00:15:55 with a huge, he often uses the phrase blonde beast. He actually often more meant that with the stealthiness, the cunning, so to speak, instead of actually talking about the Aryan, you know. Once you complete that, especially if it's successfully, but depends on how difficult the task was relative to your perception of it. Come out of it, not the same person. You come out of it, you're a little more, maybe proud and arrogant would be the negative aspects that have grown in you. But positive aspects would be your confidence, perhaps your more your ability, to predict your own abilities.
Starting point is 00:18:09 You know to stick your neck out of your abilities more. Because that's, I find a very true psychological insight is that the less you try and the more you fail. Of course, it seems like common sense, which is, that with people who say that Jordan Peterson's book and his advice is just common sense and therefore it's not. really of any value. It's of the very reason that they are in accordance with our personal experience.
Starting point is 00:19:26 More true than things that agree with your personal experience. Maybe you just didn't know how to articulate them. So I think a little bit of respect is, the less it is, as Einstein says, you just get on your bike and keep pedaling forward so as to not fall over. the less likely you are to be afraid to push those limits because the only way you grow as a person is in fact to carry a burden to push yourself and then by consequence you exit the other side of that Nietzsche goes on to describe how the camel ultimately enters the loneliest desert before becoming a lion
Starting point is 00:21:15 the only dead the lonely desert metaphor can be interpreted as the camel having sawed out and invited the struggles. The concept of differentiating your oneself from origins is part of what this is talking about. You know, we need the society, we need our family, our friends, our community, our nation, our species, in the history, the deep history involved in that too. Give us an initial sense of identity and something that to really hold on to. But you don't truly
Starting point is 00:22:48 grow as a person and become an individual until you take on burdens and responsibilities test your limits, increase your strengths, your skills. Intellectually
Starting point is 00:23:18 I honestly didn't intend it, but this is seeing Jordan Pearson quite a bit. I actually, it's just that it's so in line because he was so influenced by Nietzsche and his idea of the being the masculine father of patriarch is that our idea of a stagnant state of saving your father everything that defines where nature begins everything outside of that is chaos and nature and gather information for ourselves to individualize us information back to update the state
Starting point is 00:25:37 So that the state, because the, I think his idea was that the Nazis were the extreme-gated state. So many people were questioned the state that they were grown up in, that the state just, the idea of the lion is that one becomes so strong of yourself. But now you are a true individual. And you need to, you're at this point, you are competent enough because you've, pushed your limits enough to essentially not define your own value, not create your own values, but be able to discern, excuse me, be able to actually distinguish, discern your own values. The values you, out of the values that you were told to value, I esteem as a young youth, you can now choose which ones ring more true to you,
Starting point is 00:27:32 on your plethora. The desert can be seen as a place of existential crisis. For Nietzsche, such universal virtues and absolute purpose do not exist. Possibility and thus the camel be killed. Nietzsche, universal virtues and absolute purposes don't exist. That's where Jordan Peterson differs. And Carl Young, very much so elaborated on Nietzsche's ideas. Because they both, as far as I understand, they both thought that Nietzsche, because he died and he was really young, his 50s.
Starting point is 00:29:00 And they thought that he didn't get a chance to develop in mature structure that we must continually update. So that's a fine line between the sacredness of religion and its core ideas. the ability of people who of course confident that you just have to be persistent and didn't just reach a plateau and get comfortable and etc if we did honestly keep pursuing our golf development testers must have a trajectory and it's up to us it literally is each one of us every day i think i was watching blood diamond the other night the exact quote but you know of course i'm perceiving every through the lens of what I'm currently reading, the philosophy I'm currently learning, but ring true and it did align with it in quite a few spots of that movie, but the reporter lady who's out there trying to, you know, prevent the mass genocide of these African people, which are, which is fueled by the, you know, was that when our, when we get daunted by the fact that there's these
Starting point is 00:33:18 huge looming waves of events and phenomena in the world and they seem to be overall negative. You know, there's so many bad things that happen every day. There's also so many good things
Starting point is 00:33:39 that happen every day. There's so many people out there doing good things. So I don't know. I butchered that one. So this actually is not the quote I was talking about, but but it's one of them that I was referring to. And is that, Leo?
Starting point is 00:33:58 Leo, he says, so you think because your intentions are good, they'll spare you, huh? That the village teacher, who was a good intentioned guy, said, my heart always told me that people are inherently good. My experience suggests otherwise. You, Mr. Arger, in your long career as a journalist,
Starting point is 00:34:27 he was posing as a journalist. Would you say people are mostly good? He says, no, they're just people. They're just people. The teacher says exactly. It's what they do that makes them good or bad. Even in a bad man can give meaning to a life. None of us knows whose path will lead us to God.
Starting point is 00:35:22 It's black and white, low resolution as all that. People do negative things all the time, but the same time of culture and the waves of historic events, aren't they all but just a series of droplets of individual actions every day? And they just somehow, in a weird way, form swells and notion. Obviously, do the latter, due to descend in the hell and chaos, are just barrier. to what Nietzsche's great dragon represents.
Starting point is 00:37:24 The camel had been a slave to the dragon inviting life's challenges, always living in accordance with the values imposed upon it. The dragon of Thou shouts. It can also be seen simply as representing everyone who would try to tell someone else how to live their life. Camel must reject this dragon of tradition and commands but it cannot in its current duty-loving form. Thus it must become a lion.
Starting point is 00:38:05 Its trials have allowed it to attain enough strength to become a lion. You can't just do a couple push-ups and be a lion. Or just ask one girl out. You gotta, you have to live, by definition, that is what will create a lion. The line symbolizes courage, tenacity, disillusionment, or even rage, unbridled passion. Only in this state is the spirit able to deliver the sacred, the no.
Starting point is 00:38:50 And the sacred no represents the utter rejection of external control and traditional values. Everything imposed by other individuals, society, churches, governments, families, and all forms of propaganda. must be denied in an empowered roar. And that's an important part. You can say no, but is it gonna look like you mean it to the other person? And that's the real key to knowing, I guess,
Starting point is 00:39:32 your other line is your conviction in certain things. So the courage of your convictions overman would be able to have the courage of convictions based on internal experience. Yet be open enough walking that line of yin and yang carefully enough between chaos and order that he would be open-minded to be able to recognize when he's wrong. So the third and final metamorphosis is, is I think, the refreshing concept of becoming a child because most I feel like most
Starting point is 00:40:37 less lesser stories or philosophers just it's very insightful delivers it's sacred no sacred because it's the most meaningful to him to deliver it it's to self creation and manifestation and meaning and it still must make one more transformation to become the overman that's becoming a child. So what can a child do that even the lion could not do? Why must the praying lion still become a child? This child is in a sense and forgetting. A new beginning, a game, a self-propelled wheel.
Starting point is 00:42:41 A first movement, a sacred yes. For the game of creation, my brothers, a sacred, Yes is needed. The Spirit now wills his own will and he who had been lost to the world Now conquers his own world. So Nietzsche holds that the lion must again transform in order to forget Spirit has undergone much duress and turmoil in its transformations and But it must cleanse its mind of the past the sacred yes the child the uncertainty of life The child becomes a self-propelled wheel, just as life can be viewed in the same terms. The child elects to roll with life.
Starting point is 00:43:41 Brinje, the pure creation arises from this state of play. A child mind filled with one of his own will, create his own virtue, thus create his own. The spirit overcomes itself, conquers the world, and reaches the state of liberation, the overman. So, in understanding the overman real quick, the important thing to note is that Nietzsche was, like most philosophers, a voracious truth-seeker. The objection, the objection is a utilitarian or consequentialist reading of Nietzsche is, you know, the greatest good, greatest common good. Which I'm no philosopher. I'm no even... I've taken one little introductory course in college, so I don't understand any of the deep psychological underpinnings. Psychological, that's fine. Weird slip. Logical underpinnings of the great philosophic. I think I know enough now to reject the utilitarian view, which is the greatest good for the most people, because the...
Starting point is 00:46:19 At least, you know, Mama, maybe you have a good argument for it, is that one of its ultimate conclusions could be that the greatest good would be for us all to be equal and mediocre. Equal in our mediocrity. And I don't think that's a life worth living. For Nietzsche, this objection would have been yet another example of mankind. Objectively exist. We was less interested in the imaginary moral constructs of mankind and discovering the actual truth of existence. People might think that he was a, you know, a corals of praising at points,
Starting point is 00:47:44 dominations of other people who are less powerful than you. That's, of course, grossly over simplifying his argument. But you've put that in the context of one of his last known actions as an actual. human being in the world was too, as he's trying to save a horrid of his life. On see Nietzsche's child, a playful being in touch with its own deep-down nature, as uncannily similar to a realized Taoist or Zen Buddhist. There's a Zen saying that, quote, nothing is left to you at this moment, maybe a nirvana,
Starting point is 00:48:50 but to have a good laugh, which is meant to refer to the moment, after one has attained Satory or enlightenment. Oh, for the overman essentially to wrap it up, pain is necessary for a positive transformation and should be embraced. It's true for me. I haven't experienced enough pain. I know that. In order to liberate ourselves, we must wage war against control by an external authority.
Starting point is 00:49:39 It's that steel sharpens steel, and when you have a good argument, even if someone wins, makes you look like a fool, if you're humble enough to be able to recognize that, then maybe you could get rid of that dead bark, burn it off, that was clearly not working for you and make room for a new perspective. Or maybe you just need that. You had an incomplete set of ideas and you need to re-fortify them. Yes, and you will grow.
Starting point is 00:50:27 You must cultivate great courage, strength, and audacity in order to truly sever our puppet strings. Our goal should be to affirm life.

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