Let's Go To Court! - 285: Cyclists

Episode Date: February 14, 2024

Moriah “Mo” Wilson was a rising star in the world of professional cycling. One journalist said, “She had the potential to be one of the best racers, definitely in the country, and probably in the world.” Tragically, Mo’s life was cut short in a senseless murder. And now for a note about our process. For this episode, Kristin read a bunch of articles, then spat them back out in her very limited vocabulary. We owe a huge debt of gratitude to the real experts who covered these cases. In this episode, Kristin pulled from: 48 Hours episode, “Capturing Moriah Wilson’s Killer” “A murder roils the cycling world,” by Ian Parker for The New Yorker “Kaitlin Armstrong’s former boyfriend testifies about their ‘tumultuous relationship during murder trial,” by Meghan Mariani, Olivia Osteen and Meredith Deliso for ABC News “Kaitlin Armstrong found guilty in murder of professional cyclist Anna Moriah Wilson,” by Meghan Mariani, Olivia Osteen and Meredith Deliso for ABC News “A comprehensive recap of Kaitlin Armstrong’s trial,” by Jessica Taylor for CBS Austin YOU’RE STILL READING? My, my, my, you skeezy scunch! You must be hungry for more! We’d offer you some sausage brunch, but that gets messy. So how about you head over to our Patreon instead? (patreon.com/lgtcpodcast). At the $5 level, you’ll get 55+ full length bonus episodes, plus access to our 90’s style chat room!  

One semester of law school. One semester of criminal justice. Two experts. I'm Kristen Caruso. I'm Brandi Pond. Let's go to court. On this episode, I'll be talking about cyclists. That's a hard word to say.

Cyclists. Yeah. Right off the top. Oh my gosh, folks. This episode might sound weird. It's going to sound weird. I feel like it sounds weird right now. I totally agree.

I hear an echo right now. Oh my gosh. Okay. It's going to sound weird. I feel like it sounds weird right now. I totally agree. I hear an echo right now. So echoey. Oh, my gosh. Okay. Here's the deal, folks. We're having technical difficulties today. We were forced to move out of the sex dungeon. Okay.

This could be someone's first episode, ma'am. That's just what we call the recording studio in my house. Why do we call it a sex dungeon? Because Brandy has sex in it every week. That's right. No. Anyway, there was a weird buzz in there. Weird buzz. We couldn't figure it out. Norm tried everything. And so we had to relocate to the dining room table. So we are not with our sound absorbing blankets. So yeah, this is what we sound like today. Sorry. Sorry. But it's better than a buzz also this does this feels like this feels

like old school lgtc yes because for forever we recorded at my dining room table yeah you on one end me and the other like a fancy couple that's right in the middle ages yes a long table between us nothing but a turkey leg in both hands. Double fisted turkey legs. That's enough. That's enough. Although it is charming, isn't it? Yeah. And I bet you're like, my God, I'd like to be charmed some more.

Oh. You know how you can be charmed some more? By going over to our Patreon. Oh, sure. We've got so many bonus episodes over there. Oh, my God. It's disgusting, really. So many bonus episodes.

And you just you listen, and you listen and you listen for as low as $5. That's right. Okay. And there's more stuff if you want more stuff, but you have to pay for it, bitch. Okay, so get out of here. All right. I hate to be hate to be rude about it. This is also like our first, well, kind of. Because we recorded we pre recorded the first episode back. So this really is kind of our we recorded we pre-recorded the our first episode back so this really is kind of our first episode back from break when i say back different like that people know what it means yeah yeah um how you doing um okay should we talk about what happened what happened the live show Live show. Oh, yes. Plural. Okay, everyone. We.

You blew our fucking minds is what you did. Yeah. So we announced our live show. Tickets for our live show. This is the first live show we've done on our own. Yeah. And obviously you have no idea how tickets are going to sell, whatever. Well, they sold out in like half an hour.

You sold that shit out in an hour and our patrons did that yeah patrons only regular folks didn't even get a chance to buy the tickets fucking believable so you know what we did we added another day and you know what you all fucking did sold it out sold it out like in minutes thank you yeah Thank you so much. What an unbelievable, amazing response. Thank you. And we are preparing for you a very mediocre show. That's right. No, it'll be the best live show.

The best live show we've done. I'm not comparing it to other live shows. All right. Yeah, that's fine. I mean, the bar is pretty low. Last time we did a live show, I didn't get through my case. That's true. So, I mean, if you get through your case, Brandi.

There we go. The best live show we've ever done. I might have to sabotage you. I'm going to ask a lot of questions. Oh, okay. Yeah, okay. I can talk pretty fast, so. Should we do an ad?

We should. Doodaloo. Do you know anything? I think I do. This seems like a case you would know. It's a fairly recent one, right? Oh, yeah. It's one I followed a little bit.

I don't know a ton about it, though. I hate it. I know a couple of things. OK. All right. Here we go. Shout outs to an episode of 48 Hours. Excellent.

I will not be telling the title because it gives too much away. Also, an amazing article from The New Yorker by Ian Parker. Why is your face like that? I forgot to put my phone on do not disturb. Wow. How long have we been doing this? Years. Years.

Years. Uh-huh. My God. Okay. Sorry, Ian Parker from The New Yorker. Yeah. Also, I won't be reading that. Title.

Sure. We got it. Okay. You get it? You got it? All right. I'd like to start with a disclaimer. This case annoys me greatly.

Okay. That's a new disclaimer. No, I've said it sometimes. Not as like a disclaimer like that before. Yeah, I just, you know, I just feel like people need to know. Okay. And so then this will be the episode where we've got a weird echo yeah it'll feel like you're listening from 2019

yes and um yeah i'm annoyed with the case great okay here we go great good to be back folks also like six people in the discord suggested this case and i ignored every last one of them okay and then a couple weeks ago when i was watching taylor swift's boyfriend play football my friends kate and tim suggested this case directly to my face and what were you supposed to do exactly yeah you were left with no choice here it is. Kate and Tim and everybody else. Let's start this story with the person who is not a raging douchebag, shall we? Okay, absolutely. Anna Mariah Wilson.

She went by Mo. Okay, so absolutely beautiful. Think Kate Middleton. Sure. Long, healthy brown hair, beauty what weird it sounds like you could be describing me but you've chosen not to okay all right yeah uh-huh you think kate middleton walks around in jeans huh actually yeah she does she does okay well maybe i am describing you and Kate Middleton. Good friends.

Also, Mo was very outdoorsy. Okay, that's where the comparison ends. Because Kate's also kind of outdoorsy. I don't think. Yes, she is. What? She's sporty. Okay.

I was sporty spice growing up. That's not the same thing, ma'am. I'm sorry. I played sports. Yeah. What happened? I mean, I'm an adult. They don't have. i don't think there's a basketball team in need of me you know what i don't hey kids right exactly

she grew up in northern vermont right by kingdom trails which is made up of trails. Sure. And it's home to a ton of skiing and mountain biking. Did she ski? Did she ski? Yes. Here's how much she skied. She went to school for it. She went to ski school? Yes.

Did you know that was a thing? Well, I know that people take ski lessons when they first start skiing. Yeah, we all know that. We've all seen it in movies. And the no ski school was a thing. Yes, it's a thing. She attended Burke Mountain Academy, which is a college prep school where you ski all the time and do algebra sometimes. I don't know.

Okay. That's amazing to me. Yeah. Have you ever been skiing? No. I don't think it's for me. I don't think it's for me either. It seems terrifying. It looks very scary and I don't particularly like to be cold. So you would hate it. All right. Never mind. I do. What? I do think the outfits are cool though.

Well, yeah, they're awesome. Yeah. And like those ski goggles, man. You know what I would love? I fucking love a pair of those. You and I go on a ski vacation get a photo oh sure get up and then don't ski exactly i would ride the gondola thing yeah absolutely yeah gondola yeah okay i don't want to so i like the gondola because the gondola is like enclosed things or you can ride the ski lift where you just fall off and die i'd prefer the gondola okay very good very good i'm glad we've discussed this i just saw this tiktok of these two people Where you just fall off and die. I'd prefer the gondola. Okay. Very good. Very good. I'm glad we've discussed this. I just saw this TikTok of these two people. They were not skiers.

They were just at a ski resort, and they wanted to ride the lift. And so they rode the gondola up, but then they wanted to ride the lift down so they could experience both. I thought you weren't supposed to. Okay can I think you can oh okay but there was nobody giving instructions at the lift oh no so they didn't know they were supposed to close the bar down over them well have they ever been to a six flags I'm sorry I'm victim blaming they're okay right yes they are totally fine but literally they it's a woman she's tick-tocking the whole thing like she's recording the whole thing oh God and she's recording the whole thing. Oh, God.

And she's like, oh, my God, we're going to fall. We're going to fall. And she's, like, holding on. Like, her husband starts holding on to her. And she's like, don't touch me. Don't touch me. Yeah. Don't touch me.

You can't use my body as a ground. She's like, this was supposed to come down. This was supposed to come down. And she, like, reaches up to the bar. And it starts to come down. And they, like, get it to pull down. And they're like, oh. You have to pull it down.

Like, they were, like like halfway down already that's terrifying terrifying but also i am surprised that there's no one there to like no one there exactly from themselves yes somebody should be and there's probably a sign if we're being i'm sure i'm sure there's a sign yeah and i'm sure that maybe when you're doing something that's already as dangerous as skiing it's like hey yeah you know if you can't handle this part you probably lift probably stay off the slope i feel like that should be on a t-shirt okay so mo was an incredible skier and that's partly because it was in her blood oh her dad Her dad, Eric, had been on the U.S. ski team. Oh, shit.

Her aunt was a two-time Olympic Nordic ski racer. What the fuck? I hate that I said aunt like a Midwesterner. Her aunt did it. Am I classier yet? So much classier. Okay. Mo wanted to make the Olympic ski team, but unfortunately, she had some knee injuries. And, you know, I don't know, once you do a couple of that,

it's like, well, yeah, this isn't worth it. Right. But she was still an athlete. So when she stopped skiing, in order to rehab her injuries, she began cycling. Oh, sure. Yeah. Oh, sure. Yeah. That's a common, a common rehabilitative method. You are so smart. Thank you. You think that because you put those glasses on. But it is a rehabilitative method and we approve of it greatly. She was really good at cycling.

Yeah. Now, Brandy, I know what you're thinking. You're thinking, okay, the woman was beautiful. She was athletic. I sure hope she was dumb as a rock. Otherwise, I'll start to feel bad about myself. No, she was super smart, right? Yeah. Good for her.

She went to Dartmouth, and she graduated with an engineering degree. Oh, my. An engineering degree from an Ivy League school? I'm afraid so. Shit! Calm down. It's not as good as a communications degree from Simmons University. All right.

I mean, don't forget. But yeah, we're happy for her nonetheless. So after Mo graduated from Dartmouth, she moved to San Francisco, where she set out to become a professional cyclist. She got a job at a bike manufacturer, and it didn't take long for Mo to make a name for herself in the world of cycling. Pretty soon, she was either winning her races or placing second. Wow. A journalist who was interviewed for 48 Hours said,

She had the potential to be one of the best racers definitely in the country and probably in the world. Wow. I have to say, I like ski outfits way more than I like cycling outfits. What do you have against cycling outfits? They're so tight. What's wrong with that? I mean, that's...

Show it off, baby. Yes. I'm sure you would look wonderful in a cycling. Well, I don't know about that. I don't think it's for me. You are so hateful to yourself. My God. I don't know that they cut those things with enough room in the caboose for me.

Also, how am I balancing this thing on a bicycle seat? You know, okay. That's funny. You should mention that when was the last time you went on a bike ride it's been a long time yeah but i've been on one as an adult yeah yeah a bike can handle your ass i mean it gets pretty far up there you have to be pulled off the bicycle has to be removed from me at the end does it help to just go ahead and lube up that that's right yep uh-huh okay i do have to pause god we're already tangent

city so okay our live shows are happening in kansas city yeah and some people have been like hey do you have recommendations on like what to do while we're in town blah blah and kyla pointed out to me she's like you know if you wanted we could do like a map of kansas city with like important places to the podcast because we were talking about how the new ferris wheel in town which is like really big yeah it's cool yeah um that is right by where kyla and i witnessed the cooter collision the cooter collision of 2020 that's right now for those who don't remember my sister and i it was covid time so it was like yeah you know we couldn't really hang out at each other's houses so we would go for these runs.

And on our runs, we would sometimes see people who were doing just the same thing. And it was always kind of cool because you'd see people getting together for, like, a run or a walk. And, you know, it was. Bicycle ride. Yeah. And every now and then you'd see, like, some people who clearly, like, biking. They're getting into it for the first time in a long time. Yes. Exactly. And they're with their friend for the first time in a long time. Yes, exactly.

And they're with their friend who's been biking for years. And they're just happy to have someone with them. Okay, so we saw this man and woman on bikes. And, okay, if you've been on a bike recently or you're used to it, you know that when you're on a bike and you get off the curb, you have to lift your vagina off that seat you can't just hang have it there no it's gonna get real banged up yeah okay well this woman you know it'd been a while since she'd been on a bike so she gets she goes down, first wheel gets off the curb, then the second one. And the sound she made as her vagina swallowed that bike seat was...

And Kyla and I, we were heroes that day. Yeah, because you didn't laugh well of course we laughed but we like we waited uh-huh you know yeah yeah we're polite enough not to laugh in front of the poor woman who had suffered the cooter collision that's right and that's also thank you for bringing that up that's how polite we were we talked about with the family and my dad dubbed it the cooter collision your dad coined the term cooter collision i'm afraid so i did not know that portion of the story well you're welcome all right so anybody if you're coming to kansas city you see the ferris wheel that's the side of the cooter collision of 2020 i don't think anyone's

put a plaque up for that cooter collision but they really should it was a big moment for all of us it was it was so mo was part of the cycling community and i'm sure she met some really nice people but she also met a guy named colin strickland okay we see not a nice person i mean here's the thing he whatever right okay yeah okay I mean all right the 48 hours episode just like they they presented it kind of without judgment yeah they let some footage of him roll and I just didn't much care for it yeah I'll tell you Colin was 35 Mo was 25 so all right yeah Okay. Checkmark number one. Yeah. So Colin was a big deal in the cycling community.

And what do you do when you're an older, established dude who has made a name for yourself in your industry? You might help out a new person on the scene. Yeah. Or you maybe kind of sort of date all the younger, less established women. Love that. And maybe you don't treat them great. Yeah, cool. Okay, so for example, a woman named Amity Rockwell was 22 when she met Colin,

and he offered her a spot on his team, which I think the teams are like three people. So this is a big deal. Yeah. And she was really excited. She was kind of just starting to make a name for herself big deal yeah and she was really excited she was kind of just starting to make a name for herself in cycling and she really needed a boost like she was a barista at the time so she hadn't quit her day job so she agreed that she'd join his team and in exchange she'd get free equipment some travel money you know yeah turned out to not be

such a great deal they ended up hooking up. And, you know, at the time, she didn't see it as problematic. But now looking back, she's like, yeah, there was a power imbalance there. And also, he wasn't that great. He was manipulative. He tended to boost himself up and belittle other people. And here's a cute story. Are you ready for a real cute story

yeah you're gonna love it okay i guess amity felt really good about how she did racing uphill she felt like she was what they call a climber but colin told her that she was quote nowhere near skinny enough to think of herself as a climber. Great. Neat. Yeah, adorable. So sweet. Yeah. Okay, so this New Yorker article was like a fascinating deep dive into this world of gravel racing and Colin's role in the world. So basically, gravel racing is a relatively new thing. It's kind of an American thing. And the good thing for people like Colin was that, you know, even if you weren't necessarily the best cyclist in the world, if you're pretty good, and I shouldn't say pretty good, he was very good at a sport that wasn't that popular. And so, you know, he very quickly got some wins, made a name for himself, and he got sponsors, made really good money. And he became like a very specific type of famous.

Yeah. In fact, some folks called him the King of Gravel. Okay. Pretty cool, huh? Sure. That's wetness you're feeling. Okay. Jesus Christ, Kristen.

Well, you're the one who got wet on our podcast. I did not. My God. There's a tissue right there. Okay. Please. I am not proud to tell you that a bike equipment company made a 19-minute video about Colin, and I watched every minute of it.

How was it? It was terrible. It was terrible. Uh-huh was terrible okay let me set the scene okay starts with him plugging in his electric guitar sure then we see him strumming and the camera i thought focused weirdly on his crotch i mean i know that's where the guitar is but like could we see a face in this this feels a little weird then we see shots of him biking or cycling excuse me there was no cooter collision cycling calves rippling yeah then we see him sit on his couch he's got kind of an artsy looking place he's wearing a red bull hat

because hashtag sponsored and this is how he introduced himself. This is the one snippet that they played in 48 hours that I was instantly like, no, thank you. He just sits, I mean, it seems innocent enough. He's, you know, there on the couch, he goes, my name is Colin Strickland. I'm a bicycle racer and a general entertainer. General entertainer. Thank you, thank you.

Yes, get out of here. Get out of here. General entertainer. General entertainer thank you yes get out of here get out of here general general entertainer then we see him rev up his motorcycle then we see him walk to a full-length mirror and jerk off to himself okay i'm just i i did make that last part up okay the motorcycle was real you know all right all right i'm sorry maybe i'm being too harsh i just am not you know okay all right he talked about living in austin texas that's where he grew up where he lived you know goes on the bike ride stops at what he refers to as a makeout spot oh I think that's a cool thing to say when you're in your mid-30s.

35, yeah. Who's... Okay. No, please, please. Who's going to make out spots at 35? I... Exactly. Thank you.

Thank you. What the fuck? He said it in like a cutesy, adorable way, but I was not... No. Unlike you, I was very dry. Okay. Listen, I'm not kink shaming you I aged 12 years watching that video okay you know how sometimes people are like I I do the like

you know double speed on stuff oh yeah I'm never one of those people you just suffer through for the entire time no normal you couldn't on this one though i i had to double it up and even then it felt like it was just forever okay anyway maybe i'm being rude did you feel like you you gathered a lot of information from that 19 minute video no and i think that's part of the problem it's like all right i'm sitting down for 19 minutes i better fucking get some decent information how long can i watch a man fumble with a fender guitar right anyway it was designed to kind of show who he was not just as a cyclist but as a person sure i don't know why I feel the need to say this, but like the video was well done. All right.

So whoever did that video, it's not you. It's the problem. Okay. But it's also not me that's the problem. So the interesting thing about that is you're supposed to learn about him as a person. But if you're watching that video, I think you would assume he was single.

There's no mention of anyone else in his life. But the truth was he'd been dating a woman named Caitlin Armstrong for like almost three years. Lance Armstrong's

sister, actually. No. Sorry. I almost made that same joke. Oh. I guess we're both hilarious.

General entertainers, I would say. Yes, yes. They also showed footage of him doing like a pour over coffee. Okay. Am I right? You get it? I do get it. Yeah.

We all do. Okay, so Caitlin was a yoga instructor and a real estate agent. Gorgeous. Gorgeous. Gorgeous. Yeah. Like the longest reddish blonde hair you ever did see. Yeah. And I mean like yoga.

Yeah. Yoga, yoga, yoga. Mm-hmm. She was also very good with money. Oh, all right. Extremely good with money. So she and Colin lived together in Austin, Texas. They owned an investment

property together and they had started a business together restoring vintage trailers oh shit okay oh and then like selling them i would hope so otherwise that's a bad business like okay all right sorry i don't know i was gonna ask more details but why please why what do i want to go ahead like campers um these didn't look like okay like well homes well no maybe they were homes you know what stop asking questions okay all right you're getting to the video part where i was on double speed okay great all right and maybe i had another tab open because i was so done yes right. So that all seems pretty serious to me. I live with you. I've got a business with you. But according to Colin, their relationship was on again, off again, very

tumultuous. Yeah. Not great. Yeah. A cyclist named Chris Tolley was interviewed on 48 Hours and interviewed for the New Yorker piece. And he talked about Colin's relationship with women, saying, I think a lot of girls felt burned by him. They think it's going to be something, and then it's not. Dating one girl after another, not necessarily giving them all the information. He said that Caitlin was very in love with Colin. It was clear she wanted him to be the one. I also feel the need to tell you that Chris showed up to his interview with 48 Hours wearing a sleeveless necklace tank top.

Okay. You're handling this really well. I'm trying to picture it, honestly. Okay, so tank top. But, like, you know how a tank top might have more of a neck? It's like it's been ripped off. Oh, okay. So we got like a raw edge.

Yeah. Raw edges everywhere. All right. This is like, I have some suspicions about that. What? Well, that shirt was once a t-shirt and he wanted it to be a tank top. Sure. I mean, sure.

My question, sir, you're on 48 hours? Okay. To talk about... How buff is he? Well, he looks great. Yes, exactly. He looks great, but you know what? This is his opportunity to be on TV.

You think he's not going to show off his figure? I mean, I feel like you can show off your figure like there are other ways to do it you know maybe maybe just a polo although he does not he's not a polo guy i would say even maybe just just a tank top that you purchased that would have been a step that has you know a finished hem around the neck and the armholes i'm sorry i hate to sound like a boomer but to me this you know what i'm about to say oh you know what i'm about to say okay this disrespectful to show up for a television interview with no sleeves on is that what you're saying oh well i'll also that okay my other boomer thought was this to me looks like something that's made to look

like you did it yourself but maybe you went into a a store in austin and paid 80 for a shitty looking tank top yeah god i how old am i you're old um and also yeah you're on 48 hours to talk about hello a murder and some fucking respect put some fucking sleeves on can you imagine showing you show up you're the correspondent this dude's in a tank top you're like um so we're gonna get started in a minute do you want to have something you were gonna change did you forget we had the interview today we'd even do a zip up hoodie. What if we got you a nice like 48 hours branded zip up? Do you want to throw one at the top?

Anyway, I wish you'd get over it because this is not the point of the story. Which is worse? What? Showing up to 48 hours in a raw edge tank top or showing up to testify in court in a hoodie. I'm glad you've asked me this question. Okay, so I can't remember the guy in the zip-up hoodie. Was he an expert witness? He was a witness.

I don't remember if he was an expert witness. Okay, okay. It's not his fault that his nipples that that is a story you have made up about this man we do not know that the facts that we have today are that he was testifying in a court of law in a zip-up hoodie frankly i hate all of it okay okay so i can't well no no you know what court of law the hoodie in court is worse yes 48 hours in the raw edge i hate them both i can't begin to tell you how much but the the hoodie just edges it out just slightly for you because it's in a court of law okay all right

because i let me tell you if a witness showed up in court yeah in a ripped up tank top yeah no yeah no ma'am i would judge judy them yeah that is not a court dress madam okay so anyway at now we we get the you know okay we've got it i don't mean the tank top i mean like colin's relationship with women. It's not great. I'm glad you said his name again because I was in my head. His name was Chris. That was a tank top guy.

Oh, tank top guy's Chris. Yeah. Who's not a bad guy. I should just say I just don't approve. You know, he didn't ask me. I should mention that I am wearing a sweatsuit from Sam's Club right now. Right. Hey, I wasn't going to be the one to point it out also though 48 hours isn't here that's true okay that is true all right

and no one can see us so yeah and that's why you've shown up pantsless absolutely not i am dressed head to toe and cycling uh number up top nothing on the bottom you fucking wish so at some point in the fall of 2021 mo became single and she visited some friends in austin texas okay so this was just two days after colin and caitlin incorporated their business renovating trailers mobile homes rvs we don't have the time we don't know i did watch a 19 minute video i didn't pay enough attention i apologize to everyone anyway colin showed up to a big cycling event with mo and of course word got back to caitlin because he's like looking kind of chummy, showed up with Mo.

And yada, yada, yada. Mo got a phone call from an unknown number and she answered it. And the person on the other end of the line said, stay away from Colin. OK. So, yeah, the look on your face, I think, describes what Mo was feeling because Mo was like, well, that's weird. Because, you know, she wasn't doing anything wrong. As Colin would later put it, he and Caitlin were on a break and she was just very jealous. My personal opinion is that it sure as hell seems like Moe and Caitlin and whoever the hell else

were getting jerked around. Yeah. Anyway, cycling seems like a pretty small community. So even though Moe and Colin didn't live near each other, they did see each other from time to time. Yeah. In fact, at one point, they were both guests at a biking event in Arkansas. And at the end of that weekend Mo messaged Colin and here's what she said hey so this weekend was strange for me and I just want to know what's going on if you just want to be friends seems to be the case then that's cool but I'd like to talk about it because honestly my mind has been going in circles and I don't know what to think. Okay. And he responded, hey, Mo, I feel very shitty for putting you in a position where you don't feel comfortable. Okay.

So that cleared things up. No. Yeah. So to me, this just sounds like he would pursue her if she was there probably tell her whatever she wanted to hear yep but then he also wants to be able to go back to caitlin or yeah whatever whatever yeah then came may of 2022 mo came out to aust Austin to prepare for the Gravel Locos bike race, and she was favored to win it. She had so much going for her. By this point, she decided she was going to quit her job and pursue a professional racing career more seriously. Oh, wow.

Not that it wasn't serious already, but like when you can quit your job, that's a pretty big deal. For sure. When Mo arrived in Austin, she stayed at her friend Caitlin Cash's apartment. Oh. Isn't that the coolest last name? That's a very cool name. Mm-hmm. I even like the Caitlin with it.

I think you got the alliteration. It's good. Oh, what's not to love? Yeah. I don't love it because there are two Caitlins in this story now. Which is confusing. Yes. Mm-hmm.

I like it better than the tank top, but but you know, no one asked for a ranking. They did that thing when they first saw each other. Slow motion running. Yeah, yeah. Everybody loves that bit. But, you know, obviously they didn't spend every second together. Mo spent some of her time with Colin.

And on May 11th, 2022, Caitlin Cash came home at around 10 p.m. and she found Moe on the bathroom floor covered in blood. Oh my gosh. Caitlin obviously called 911. She tried to perform CPR, but it was too late. An autopsy would later determine that Moe had been shot three times. Oh my gosh. Her killer shot her twice and then stood over her and shot her a final time in the chest.

Oh, my gosh. This was obviously horribly shocking. Investigators arrived on the scene and, you know, they did find something a little strange. Nothing in the apartment appeared to have been stolen. The apartment didn't even appear to have been broken into. But Mo's bike was in the apartment appeared to have been stolen. The apartment didn't even appear to have been broken into. But Mo's bike was in the bushes. Yeah, that's not how a professional cyclist stores their equipment. No, they're very expensive.

Yes. Bike, absolutely not. Yeah. That's how a 10-year-old kid who rides home just in time for dinner stores their bicycle. Yeah, and they're going to get in trouble. Exactly. Because that's not what you do with any bike. So someone had shot her multiple times and then tossed her bike in the bushes.

And the reasons for doing that were very unclear. Yeah. Investigators began piecing together Mo's final day. And, of course, they discovered that she'd been hanging out with Colin Strickland. So they talked to Colin and, you know, he was forthcoming. He told them that he'd come over to the apartment, picked Moe up on his motorcycle, taken her to a pool where they went swimming. And afterward, they went out for burgers. I'm glad he clarified what they did at the pool, because I was wondering.

That's enough. That's enough. Some people just hang out by the pool, not these two. Okay, 48 hours referred to this pool as a famous old outdoor pool. Okay. And I was like, well, first of all, most pools are outdoors. So like, how is that so? It's a weird designation.

Right. So then I went on Wikipedia. How famous is it? It has its own Wikipedia page. What the fuck's up with this pool? I don't really know. I didn't read the whole page. Okay.

But I was more like, huh. So this is a thing. It's been around for a very long time. It's called the Deep Eddy Pool. Have you heard this no no exactly people from austin reach out and obviously be more concise than the wikipedia page because i don't care that much but i do care a little one to two sentences yeah yeah so these investigators they listen to colin's story and they're like okay so you went on a date yeah and he's like no no no it's it's not a date i have a girlfriend colin did mention that his girlfriend had a tendency to get jealous

he said that for example he kept mo in his phone under an alias it's not because he was a dirtbag brandy it. It's because his girlfriend was Coco Bananas. Uh-huh, sure, yeah. Would you like to hear a fun fact? I would love to. When Colin dropped Mo off at the apartment that night, he sent a text to his girlfriend, Caitlin. It read, Hey, are you out?

I went to drop some flowers for Allison at her son's house up north, and my phone died. Heading home. Hmm. Okay. Yeah. No, right. Yeah. Left out the part about spending time with Mo though. It slipped his mind. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Would you like to hear another fun fact? Love to. Colin told the investigators that he'd purchased handguns for himself and for Caitlin.

For protection. Okay. Okay. It's Texas, I guess. Sure. Sure. What were they needing protection from? Was there something that spurred this purchase? I don't know. It's Biden's America. You tell me. Oh, God.

Now, who knows? I mean, they... Yeah. I mean, here's the thing. Okay, you want to own a gun, fine. But I feel weird about having it both ways like you've got this girlfriend who you're saying is like super jealous and kind of unstable and you're arming her yeah i i just don't get it yeah i don't get it yeah but all right okay And on that note, I think we should break for an ad. Oh.

Doodaloo. Doodaloo. And we're back from the ad. Okay. So, so far, you're listening to this story. You're like, all right, maybe not the toughest crime to solve. Right. Caitlin was jealous.

She owned a gun. Her boyfriend had just gone on, I'm sorry, I'm going to call it a date. Yeah. with another woman yes a neighbor's security camera showed that a minute after colin dropped mo off at her friend's apartment a black jeep drove by does caitlin have a black jeep you're getting slightly ahead so how about you keep your pants on okay all right does lance armstrong's sister have a black jeep hilarious you couldn't see the license plate because of the bike rack oh all right okay in the big sticker on the bag that talked about gravel the gravel king it says this is caitlin's jeep yeah

but the investigators were like uh didn't we see a vehicle just like that in collins driveway oh did we yeah they had uh the jeep was registered to caitlin armstrong oh hold for applause and a gas shock yeah hold for shock so they needed to talk to caitlin yeah and they got really lucky because as it turned out there was already a warrant out for her arrest for what okay i want you to take a guess it's and it's not a major crime nothing nothing violent but it is hilarious to me it's hilarious to you i think so yes i i think of all the reasons to have a warrant out for your arrest this is a good one um um she has unpaid parking tickets what is... I don't know.

I don't know. It sounds hilarious to me. Okay, let me tell you the story. Okay. A few years earlier, Caitlyn had gone to a spa, gotten a whole mess of Botox. Oh, service theft?

She walked out without paying? Walked out. Because you've already done the service. You can't suck the Botox back out of her head. It's the perfect don't you agree yeah it's like an art heist we should all be okay have you ever had someone thieve your services i haven't actually but it is very common in the industry yeah because i guess somebody just runs out yeah and you're fucked like they'll be like oh my gosh i left my purse in the car i'm gonna run out and get my card real quick what would you do okay a new client walks in well that's it would absolutely be a new client it's not somebody that's regular that's fucking right fucking you like that it's not really what i meant but that's what was coming out of my mouth

yeah we get it anyway sorry no but what what would you do if someone said oh i'm just gonna run out and grab my car i would absolutely let somebody do it yeah because what are you gonna do exactly and then i'd watch them get in their car and drive away and i'd be like oh fuck you're like wait you accidentally are driving away from me forgot that you have to pay it's all right i'll get you next time. Bye, Anita Hummer. Hope to see you again. Anita Hummer.

Because, you know, they use a fake name. They use a fake name. Yeah. Do you get it? Yeah. All right. Wonderful. Okay.

Anyhow. So the police picked her up and the interrogation did not go well. Oh. I would like to read you a few exchanges. Yeah. Detective, what were you doing yesterday? And, you know, she's trying to be all like, hey, this is just cash. Yeah, real cash.

Real cash. So what were you up to yesterday? And Caitlin, who's in full yoga gear. Okay, great. I would like to leave, I think. Oh. Later, the detective, is there any explanation as far as why the vehicle would be over there caitlin i would like to leave now okay all right well she's not saying the magic

word i'm sure she got there okay um you say lawyer and just... That's not all we... You just disappear from the room. Oh, okay. So Caitlin wasn't talking. Uh-huh. And then, and I'm kind of amazed by this, but I guess they had to let her go because her birth date on the arrest warrant wasn't right.

Technicality. So the warrant wasn't valid. It wasn't technically issued to her exactly it has the wrong birthday and it's issued to some other caitlin armstrong who's got a full face of botox hasn't paid a penny for it so she was free to leave what david got out of paying a parking ticket once kind of that same way botox no paying a parking ticket he got a parking ticket but the police officer wrote the ticket wrong and essentially ticketed david's car instead of ticketing david oh and so david like was going online to try and pay it and it wasn't registering yeah and so he had to call the city

and be like i'm trying to pay this parking ticket right and the lady's like okay you know give me whatever information she's looking it up and she starts laughing and she goes yeah you don't have to pay it and he goes we weren't married yet and he goes yeah my fiancee's gonna have a lot more questions yeah really than that so can i have some more information yeah and the and the woman essentially, the officer ticketed your car instead of ticketing you. And so your car is responsible for this ticket. That's hilarious. Yes.

And she goes, I could fix it, but it's his mistake and I'm not going to. I love it. You know what that means? That means David had been an absolute delight during that entire call. Yes. David is always an absolute delight. He's like the person. He's like the customer service master on the phone. Man.

Yeah. And he's like, okay, great. Thank you. Have a nice day. Oh, I love that. Yes. Okay, so Caitlin's free to leave. Two days after that interview, police got a call from a friend of Caitlin's.

And the friend was like, look, I have to tell you something. Caitlin was really mad about Colin's relationship with Mo. She said she wanted to kill her. Okay. And the investigators were like, oh, we get the picture. We need to arrest her. Everything is pointing to Caitlin. Yes.

So with that, they got an arrest warrant. Yeah. Was it the right one? I sure hope so. And bing, bang, boom. They're way too late. Caitlin's gone. She's on the run.

Gone. She smelled the blood in the water. Is that what they say? And she took off. Is that what they say? I think that's a phrase. She smelled the blood in the water and took off is that what they say i think that's a phrase she smelled the blood in the water and took off i don't know if that's the full phrase i'm pretty sure smell blood in the water is yeah i think so too so yeah so she got it on out of

there okay the sharks could get her because they smelled blood in the water that's right and here we are beautifully said yeah they they really needed to catch her oh my gosh because you know at some point they'd gotten a hold of her cell phone records and stop me if you heard this but cell phones go ping cell towers go pong and we know your location all the day long. And that little cell phone put her right at Mo's friend's apartment at the time. Actually, no. What? Yeah, they found out that on the night of Mo's murder, Caitlin's cell phone was off. OK, well, that's about the damn same. OK, that's funny you say that.

So they did something interesting on this episode of 48 Hours. They had like all the investigators around this table and this cool like warehouse thing. And one of the sassier dudes was like, in this day and age, if your phone is off and not connected to a network, you're either the victim of a crime or you're probably committing one. Exactly. Uh-huh. Yup.

So they were like, okay, let's catch this lady. You'll be relieved to hear that the Lone Star Fugitive Task Force was on the job. Excellent. So they figured she might have fled and probably gone to her sister Christy's home in upstate New York. Okay. By the way, Christy, beautiful. Everyone in this story is gorgeous. They all have wonderful hair.

No. But quit asking about it. Okay. All right. So they skedaddled to upstate New York, and Christy was like, well, yeah, my sister was here. She stayed a couple days. Funny story. Once our visit was over, I dropped her off at the airport in Newark,

and I assumed she was going to get on her flight back to Austin, but then she called later and said, oh, I decided not to fly back. I decided to drive back to Austin. And, you know, at some point, Christy was like, no, I can't find my passport. Why? Why do you ask? What's up? Okay.

Yeah. So they're like, oh, boy. So they went to the airport. Well, they probably didn't go to the airport. Anyway, they found out there hadn't been any reservations under the name caitlin armstrong leaving newark okay what about under her sister's name calm down so they okay great then they call homeland security okay and homeland security is like people people people uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh yeah christy armstrong traveled from newark new jersey to to Costa Rica. Fuck. She's gone.

Gone. By the way, by the time they figured all this out, it had been a month since Caitlin went missing. So that's neat. Really discouraging. Anyway, side note, Christy wants everyone to know that she did not give her sister the passport. Okay. Just like she didn't give her that tank top in seventh grade, but she just took it. She just took it without asking.

She stretched the boobs out. That's right. The Kristen and Kyla story. Anyway, so U.S. Marshals Amir Perez and Damian Fernandez flew down to Costa Rica to catch Caitlyn. Did they have any fun? Did they go to the beach? Did they see the sights?

No, this is all business, I'm pretty sure. Although I hope they had any fun? Did they go to the beach? Did they see the sights? No, this is all business, I'm pretty sure. Although I hope they had some fun. Unfortunately, they didn't have a lot to go on. Exactly. They're just blindly going into Costa Rica? Well, not super blindly. They had heard that Caitlin had been spotted and she'd been staying at hostels. Okay.

Which was something, but also there's a lot of hostels. Yeah, I bet. Also, and I'm not sure how they had this information because the good people at 48 Hours did not tell me. How old is Caitlin? She's mid-30s. What? I can't imagine staying at a hostel at my age. I'm just saying, zero interest.

Brandy, she's on the run. I am just saying that sounds fucking terrible. Okay, but she's on the run. Yeah, I get that sounds fucking terrible. Okay, but she's on the run. Yeah, I get it. It's this or prison. I get it. Do you? She can't find a little bungalow to rent.

She's got to stay in a hostel. Wow. Money's tight. Okay. Okay. All right. Wow. Anyway, they also-

I'm not saying I feel sorry for her by any means. I know you're not. I know you're not. I know you're not. You're saying that sounds fucking terrible. Not really. Oh, I think so. You want to sleep in a room with a bunch of other people? Well, I don't want to, but I think it could be kind of fun if you're in Costa Rica.

You got the beach, you know, whatever. Okay. No? No, I don't think so. All right, fine. We won't go. We'll go on the ski vacation just get the photo of us in the outfits and then we'll go to costa rica but not stay in a hostel okay that sounds

great and i don't care if we're on the run and money's tight we're gonna spend all of it at a i'm not saying that i'm just saying there's gotta be an another option that allows you to feel a little more secure while you're sleeping. A little more secure? Yeah. This woman's a murderer. That's true. She doesn't need to be worried. All right, fine.

Yeah. All right. You got dazzled by the yoga, I'll tell you that. I need a private bathroom. Well, I'm sure it's not just an open air toilet. Well, no. Yeah, I know. That's where you do all your farts.

So yeah, that has to be, you know, very private. Exactly. Okay. So anyway, they had this information. They had a phone number of an American guy who they were pretty sure had met up with Caitlin at some point in Costa Rica. How did they know this? I have no idea no idea anyway don't ask me any questions so they called him and he answered and they were like hey it's the US Marshals and

the dude was like no thank you and they called again and they're like we are serious several of us are bald we wear suits and so then you know he heard that he's like okay I gotta talk to him oh sure that was the thing that pushed him over the edge well you know when when somebody's bald you know it's serious you know this is not just a child who's talking to me well maybe it could be a little well here we go well anyway they're not babies they're real grown men okay okay so they sent him a picture of caitlin and he looked at it and he's like, yeah, that's her. That's the woman I met in the yoga studio, but she doesn't really look like that anymore.

And she's not using that name. She had plastic surgery? She had plastic surgery to change her appearance? And she's going by Christy? No, she's going by Beth. Oh. Where'd fuck Beth come from? What do you mean?

Beth is a generic white lady name. All right. You have no on-the-run instincts at all. Hi, I'm Esmeralda. I'm real unique. I'm not going to cut my hair or change my appearance because I really like my hair. No fucking deal. I'm never going to go on the run because I follow the fucking rules. Yeah, until you break one big time. And then you have to go on the run.

You'll be so easy to catch. I'm just going to stay in Johnson County. Yeah. They'll never find me. So the picture of this Caitlin person, you know, she's got very long reddish blonde hair i'm talking below the boobs okay mermaid hair but beth had shoulder length brown hair oh so investigators were like and they took off for the city where the man had met Beth. Okay. The city was Jaco, and it's kind of touristy.

So, you know, they walk all over the place. They drive all over the place. They're pulling footage. Couldn't find her. But then they got another lead. Did they go to all the yoga studios? Basically, yeah. Okay, all right.

That was kind of the plan. Yeah. They heard that Caitlin might be in a town called Santa Teresa. And that was great news because Santa Teresa is tiny. Okay. They called it a one street town. Oh, sure. So they took a ferry to get there.

Similar to a one trick pony. Yes. Blood in the water on your one trick pony. In this one horse town. Yeah. All right. So they took a ferry to get there. And they drove through the mountains into this little speck of a place.

And they were like, sweet. Standing there by the welcome sign was one arm strong. Yeah. They're like, tall white lady. We're going to find her so fast. Yeah. And they did. They did? Yeah. They went down the main road and immediately We're going to find her so fast. Yeah. And they did. They did?

Yeah. They went down the main road and immediately spotted a woman who looked just like her. But, oh, goddammit. It's just another skinny white lady. Couple minutes later, oh my god, Caitlin! Ugh! It wasn't her. It wasn't her.

Then it happened again. Oh my gosh. And they were like, this is not funny. Oh no. It turns out it's a really small town, but it's also very touristy. Okay. So just a shit ton of women in this town look just like Caitlyn. Skinny white women as far as the eye can see.

So this was going to be a little harder than they'd initially thought. So they had a sneaky little spy go to random yoga classes hoping to spot Caitlyn. But she didn't. No offense to her. I'm sure she was doing her best out there, downward dogging, looking for Caitlin. But what can we do? They made all these connections. They found some people who might have met Caitlin.

One of those people was this guy, Greg Haber. He owns a restaurant. And he said that one day a woman who looked a hell of a lot like Caitlin came in and introduced herself. I actually don't know if he told this to investigators at the time or if he's since come out with this story. But anyway, I think it's kind of interesting. So she said her name was Ari. And she was new in town. She was a yoga instructor. Okay. So he's like, okay, cool. Nice to meet you. You know, whatever.

Yeah. Then one day Greg was on the beach. He walked his dog every night at sunset. Isn't that nice? Sounds amazing. That's wonderful. And he saw Ari and he said hi. And he noticed that she had a bandage on her face.

And he's like, oh, hey, what happened? She's like, ah. You had a nose job. No, no, oh no no no you're way off a surfboard hit her in the face right oh sure so he didn't think anything of it you know it's a beach town this happens to everybody also it's a nose job town yeah so yeah that's made up. But, you know. Yeah, and Ari hadn't been around for a while. Weird. Weird.

So the investigators were like, okay, we are fucked. So they came up with kind of a bottom of the barrel idea. They got on Facebook and they were like, hey, everyone, we're at this hostel. We're looking for a yoga instructor ASAP. Just got to get our yoga in. It's kind of a yoga emergency we're definitely not um investigators yeah this is just like just tourists needing some yoga jones in person please call me we're especially interested in yoga instructors named caitlin or beth or ari or we you know yeah. It didn't work. Okay. Sorry. Dang.

So the U.S. Marshals sipped one last pina colada and went back to San Jose. And they planned to head home from there. But then when they were in San Jose, they finally got a hit on that Facebook post. They did? Yeah. A woman said she was a yoga instructor and she wanted them to meet her at a hostel. Yeah.

So they were like, holy shit, and they skedaddled back. Yeah, get the fuck on a plane. Get back out there. So the woman who answered the ad

was staying at Don John's Hostel. The signage was very cute, but Brandy won't stay there. No. Don't even ask. I'm not interested. Don't invite her.

People might hear her fart and that's not okay. Deputy Marshal Perez. Oh, I think Deputy Marshal, I was... I don't think his first name is Marshal. I think his position is Deputy Marshal. All right, that's enough. I didn't go to Dartmouth, okay? All right.

This is how we find out. Spoiler, that Simmons is not as prestigious as Dartmouth. I know it's shocking to everyone. It's super shocking. Yeah. OK, well, here we go. So he was the one who was going to walk into the hostel. The plan was that he would pretend to be just a random tourist and try to figure out ahead of time if this yoga instructor was actually Caitlin. So he walked in and saw two people sitting at a table. One was a woman with a bandage on her nose. Okay. She looked like Caitlin, but he couldn't be 100% sure. He needed to get a closer look. So he came up with a pretty good idea. He approached her speaking in Spanish, only Spanish.

Okay. And she was like, oh, hang on, let me, you know, she gets out her phone, she gets Google Translate going. And in that time, that allowed him to get closer to her. And he saw that, yeah, her lips were swollen. Some things look different. I mean, the hair, the nose, whatever. But he looked into her eyes and he's like, oh, my God, this is her. So they, boom, arrested her.

By that point, she'd been on the run for 43 days. Oh, my gosh. And how much plastic surgery had she had? Just a nose job. Just a nose job. Okay. Did she have a very distinct nose to begin with? You know, it's funny um she actually did look different

okay not not hugely different and i've i'm not complimenting okay but maybe a little i let me just say i think she's a lot better at being on the run than you. I mean, yes. She made herself less attractive. Wow. She like that. I'm sorry, that beautiful reddish blonde hair. She was like, hey, I've done some terrible shit.

Yeah. So, I mean, she's still attractive, but it was like, OK, you do look like a different person. I mean, she's still attractive, but it was like, OK, you do look like a different person. And even the little sneaky spy they'd sent to the yoga classes was like, oh, wow. If I'd seen this woman, I don't think I would have said I found Caitlin. Wow. Yeah. So they took her back to Texas. You know, jig is up.

You're going to stand trial. Her trial is three weeks out. And then Caitlin suffered a very real, not fake injury. What kind of injury? It's a super real one. So don't make that face. Okay. Okay. That is somehow going to delay her trial. doctor's appointment and as she was being escorted out of the doctor's office she made her escape she's run off on foot like Brandy she have a bicycle did she have a bicycle stone and she's just out there peddling for her life the video of this is hilarious. Okay, so she's handcuffed. Yeah. She's in this maroon top, black and white cartoony jail outfit underneath,

being chased around by one very annoyed and not very coordinated man. Oh, no. In the video I watched, which it's not the full video. I would love to see the full video. This dude fell twice trying to get to her oh no it that's that's rough she's handcuffed the knees and the ego if it were me i'd be like i'm sorry there's no footage of this so let's you know she actually didn't she didn't escape actually yeah i i had no problems why are my pants all scraped don't worry about it don't worry about it yeah at one point she tried to scale a fence and she got pretty far but then

you know he got a little close so she you know she's just kind of yeah yeah okay yeah so oh apparently at one point in this escape attempt she she shimmied out of her pants, her little black and white jail pants, and revealed she had these thermal leggings on underneath. So she was clearly like ready. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. What the fuck? I'm sorry. This man's not good at catching.

Leave this poor man alone. Okay. Anyway, was captured okay they got her all right calling back up i mean i would have not yet the second time i hit the ground i'd be like maybe i don't have some help here i can't even walk up a bit of a hill hill yeah uh anyhow oh boy okay on november 1st 2023 caitlin's trial finally began in his opening statement prosecutor ricky jones painted a picture of moe's last moments he said the last thing moe did on this earth was scream in terror the prosecution is powerful he did a really good job with his opening arguments she had no idea what what was going i mean how how could you yeah she's just there thinking she's having fun you know about to go on a race like she she has no idea what she's walked into yeah the prosecution brought forth evidence that caitlin had left dna on the handlebars and seat

of mo's bike they talked about her fleeing the country getting plastic surgery they showed the jury video from caitlin's attempted escape outside the doctor's office did they laugh when that one dude took a tumble i hope not they're supposed to be professional. Okay. He told the jury, she's not just running from the sheriff's department. She's running from you and you and you and you and you. Oh, that is also good. Colin took the stand and talked about his relationship with Caitlin. Yeah, what the fuck he have to say? I mean, I do feel kind of bad because I've been talking about what a douche he is.

He's not the murderer. I know he's not what a douche he is he's not the murderer i know he's not i know yeah he's not the murderer he's all right fine um i'll give colin a break yeah i think he's kind of a peter pan guy he likes peanut butter no i'm kind of a jiff girl myself all right doesn't want to grow up is that what you're saying yes that's what i'm saying he's kind of a smuckers fella you know covered in jelly you know he took the stand talked about his relationship with caitlin it'd been off and again on again That's not how people say it. Oh, well.

Oh, well. Choosy moms choose jif, as they say. He said that even when they were broken up, they still lived together. And Caitlin would get very jealous about him talking to other women. He said that he and Mo had a short fling. Curious to know if Caitlin knew they were broken up

during that time period. I'm kind of curious, too. She didn't take the stand. OK. But then it became professional. In in a social media post he said that they had a like romantic thing for like a week and then it became platonic and professional so okay he and caitlin got back together but he still talked to mo but he didn't list her as mo in his phone because he didn't want to fight with Caitlin about it. One of Caitlin's former friends said that at one point she asked Caitlin what she would do if she found out that Colin was dating someone else, and Caitlin told her, I would kill her. Holy shit.

Yeah. So there were a lot of expert witnesses too, DNA, firearms, IT nerds. The IT component was important because the prosecution's position was that Caitlin had been tracking Mo using this app called Strava. Is it like a cycling app? Yeah. So athletes use it to track their miles. Yeah. So Caitlin knew exactly where Mo was.

She was probably tracking Colin, too. She had all his passwords. She had his Instagram account. Yeah. She had all his passwords. She had his Instagram account. She could have very easily known where they were. But defense attorney Jeffrey Puryear pointed out that there was no direct evidence that showed Caitlin was at the scene of the crime. He told the jury not one witness saw Caitlin Armstrong allegedly commit this murder. Defense attorney Rick Coffer said that Caitlin only fled the country not because of her guilt, but because she was scared.

He told the jury, Do you think she might have been concerned a little bit that her boyfriend had killed someone? Fear results in fight or flight, and it was flight. The defense did their best to argue that Caitlin had run. Out of fear, not out of guilt. And they said that the scientific evidence against her wasn't very strong. For example, the prosecution brought in this expert who had examined the gun.

And he's like, yeah, I'm pretty sure, you caitlin's gun was what was used to kill mo and you know the defense was like so this isn't exact and the expert had to admit yeah this is kind of subjective science uh they also i watched a little bit of their opening argument and they talked about you know the possibility that someone else did this, of course. Yeah. In his closing argument, the defense told the jury that the only thing against Caitlin Armstrong was a bunch of circumstantial evidence.

He said, there's a lot of sizzle, but there's not much steak. Oh, I like that. Points for cuteness. Yep. But the jury deliberated for, like, two hours. Yeah. Points for cuteness. Yep. But the jury deliberated for like two hours. Yeah. They found her guilty. Yeah.

And they sentenced her to 90 years. Wow. At that point, Mariah's mother, Karen Wilson, took the stand to read a victim impact statement. And she did a beautiful job. I think partly because she pointed out how senseless this all was. She told Caitlin, what you did was selfish and cowardly. She said, quote, it was cowardly because you never chose to face her woman to woman in a civil conversation. She would have listened. She was an amazing listener. She would have cared about your feelings. You killed her earthly body, but her spirit is so

very much alive. And you can never change that. Yeah. How about, hey, what are you doing with my boyfriend? Or how about, hey, boyfriend. Yeah. What are you doing with other women? Yes. Yes. doing with other women. Yes. Yes. Just straight to murder. It's unbelievable. Yeah.

Like, yeah, I know you feel stupid because you're so invested in this relationship and he's not invested in you, but that's not anyone's problem. No. That's your problem with him. Yep. And you can fix it. Yeah. Yeah. Wow.

So, yeah, this was so senseless, so stupid. And it's a shame to think of what someone as bright and talented as Mo could have done with her life. Or what should have been the rest of her life. Yes, absolutely. But the cool thing is that her family has set up a foundation in her name. And now one of the trails up in Kingdom Trails in northern Vermont is now called Mariah's Ascent. Wow.

Yeah. That's cool. And that's the story of the murder of Mo Wilson. That is... i hated it because it's so it's so senseless it's so senseless the prosecutor brought up a good point in 48 hours because like i'd kind of wondered about the bike thing and he's you know he said you know obviously there are a couple theories but one that he mentioned that I kind of thought, yeah, that makes sense. He said, you know, it's kind of like that third shot standing over her, shooting her in the chest. Yeah.

This is like, I'm going to overkill you and then I'm going to take the thing you love and I'm going to throw it in the bushes. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. What? That is wild to me. Yeah. Wow.

Wow. Those types of crimes I just don't understand. No. Hell no. How do you get directly to murder yeah no idea no wow yeah i only knew i knew bits and pieces of that i didn't know i figured you would this seemed like one that you would have known a bit yeah i knew she went okay i knew that she was murdered by another cyclist and that the cyclist went on the run yeah yeah that pretty much sums it up that's what i knew all right did you know she stayed in

hostels i didn't that was brand new information uh-huh yeah facebook takes you down every time that's a lesson to any fugitives out there i guess should we do another ad we should do another ad doodaloo and we're back from the ad doodaloo my goodness should we do some questions from the discord it's been so long it's been so long oh okay we've got to start here because i have to talk about it poopoo butterface wants to know what super bowl snacks are on tap for Sunday? Oh, folks, if you haven't heard, and I guess by the time you hear this, the game will have already happened. So I'll either be happy or sad.

But my beloved Chiefs have made it back to the Super Bowl. Calm down. I'm very excited. I talked shit on this team all year. Out of love. I love this team so much. Yes. But the whole year I was like, they keep playing like this.

They're not making it to the Super Bowl again. We're not, just count us out for the Super Bowl this year. And then, I don't know, they got their shit together kind of at the end of the season. And here we are,

headed to the Super Bowl. Let's hear it for the boys. I'm so excited. You have not answered the question. Oh, um, I don't know. I,

okay, honestly, haven't, haven't decided on the Super Bowl snacks. I can talk about what I made. You just saw Super Bowl in the question and you were like, I just want to talk about the Super Bowl. I'm so excited that the Chiefs are going to play again. Last game for the AFC Championship game, I made Little Smokies.

Picked up some fresh guacamole. Oh, shut up. This Hispanic market that just opened in my shopping strip where my salon is. Yeah. Oh, my God. It was so good. It was delicious. Look at this woman.

It was delicious. What else did I make? Casey and James came over. She brought like a meat and cheese tray. Yeah. Like a crackers and cheese thing. All right. We get you.

Not like deli meat. Yeah. No one was worried. Okay. Yeah. She brought over a lunchable just popped the top and then i made oatmeal scotchies oh you make fresh oatmeal scotchies at game time yeah that's right all right yeah what do you got yet i know you're

going to you're going to super bowl thing what are you what are you taking you i don't know i i do a panicked last minute thing. I've been baking cakes for the last couple of times. Well, you have to do that again. You can't fuck it up, Kristen. Okay, fine. Bake a cake. All right.

My God. Oh, Not A Good Day At Derby asks, have you listened to Court Junkie? Would you use it as a resource? Oh, yeah. Yes, and have. Yeah, I like Court Junkie. Court Junkie is wonderful. And I have used it as a source on, I believe, multiple episodes.

Yeah, so why don't you pay attention to the podcast? No, no, no, I don't mean it like that. No, I don't mean it like that. So we don't always shout out all of our sources at the beginning. So we have a list of sources with each episode that's way longer than what we talk about on the show. And so I have used that podcast as a source multiple times. And it's your dirty little secret.

No, no, it's not a secret at all. It's an excellent podcast. Oh, Amber the Buy Disney Adult wants to know, what's the best snack cake? I favor zebra cakes. I do like a zebra cake. Well, who doesn't? Really? But Swiss rolls are my favorite.

Do you want to tell people how you eat them? I believe that people probably already know. No one memorizes this insanity like you do. First of all, I have to tell you that I was 37 years old when I learned that they are called Swiss rolls and not Swiss cake rolls. I've called them Swiss cake rolls my entire life. How humiliating. And David was like, why are you calling them that? And I was like, how often do you two discuss Swiss rolls?

And he's like, no, they're called Swiss rolls. And I was like how often do you two discuss Swiss rolls and he's like no they're called Swiss rolls and I was like no they're called Swiss cake rolls and then he had to show me the box and I how'd you handle that yeah handled it wonderfully being wrong yeah it's really anyway so this is what you do okay you you you've got you open the package you got your two yeah you're not skipping a step okay you open the package you grab one swiss roll off of the little cardboard thingy you flip her over okay oh gender okay you will see a seam of chocolate running down the underneath of this swiss roll you remove that it typically comes off in one solid piece. Pop that right in your mouth. Okay?

Next, that will create a flap on the edge where the outer coating of chocolate has started to come off. You work with that. You start peeling off that chocolate, ingesting it. Delicious. Delicious. Each tiny morsel. Which hole do you put it in? Your mouth hole.

Oh, okay. I just want to make sure this is very specific. You do that until you're left with chocolate only on the two ends. How long does it take you to eat? It takes a minute. Okay. Then those come off pretty easily, usually in one piece as well. You eat the ends.

And then you unroll the Swiss roll and you eat it. It depends on how you're feeling. Sometimes I just pick a piece off and eat it in chunks. Sometimes I kind of unroll it, eat the cream out, and then eat the cake. Disgusting. Do you use a spoon or your fingers? Just my fingers. Oh, God.

The humanity. Yeah. Well, I'm glad we've explored this thoroughly. And then lather, rinse, repeat with your second Swiss roll. Uh-huh. Because they are twin-wrapped, my friends. Twin-wrapped? What does that mean that's

what they say on the box 12 twin wrapped rolls huh okay yeah i do know i know i get it six in there yeah no i i understand um i guess i've never paid that much attention to the packaging you don't read all of your packaging as thoroughly as i do i guess well how thoroughly do you read it you called it a swiss cake that's true my god my whole life has been a lie uh-huh you have a favorite you have a favorite snack cake kristin um not really i mean what's not to like although oh i don't like those weird crunchy things those star star crunch yeah not if they're not my favorite no they're no one's favorite yeah that's why Lisa likes those a lot my stepmom she loves she loves star crunch well someone's gotta yeah those things I mean they've been on the market

forever I think people are buying them it's just Lisa Lisa's keeping star crunch alive uh-huh I'm afraid possibly what I go by Peggy. He says, my boyfriend thinks you don't need to wash the strainer after you strain your pasta. Well, he's wrong. My question is, would you like to tell him he's wrong? Pasta water leaves a film. People think about the film. Yes.

No, it is dirty. You have filtered dirty pasta water through there. It has to be washed. Okay. Okay. I know what's going on here. This man knows it's dirty. He's just being lazy and he's

pretending. Don't allow this weaponized incompetence to rule your household. That's right. No, the strainer must be washed. Yes. Yeah. I'm glad we agree. Yeah. Brandy, I think it's time for some Supreme Court inductions. And boy,

do we have a lot of them. We sure do. We are reading your names and your first celebrity crushes. Kelsey Platscore. Jesse McCartney. Cynthia Sindorama Beckley. John John from 1970's Sesame Street. Goldilurks.

Andy Gibb. Cherry. Taylor Hansen. Chelsea. Zach Hansen. Chelsea. Zach Hansen. Oh my gosh, so much Hansen love. Nelly. Aladdin.

Stevo. Kendall Schmidt from Big Time Rush. It's a band, but I don't know who Kendall Schmidt is. All right, very good. Kimberly Russell. Burt Reynolds. Ooh, a hairy man. All right, I calmed down.

Alexis Van Sky. Chris Evans. Livvy. All right, calm down. Alexis Van Sky. Chris Evans. Livvy. Jake Gyllenhaal. Dee Balstra. Mark Hamill. Lauren. John Stamos.

Tilly Stoltz. Zach Efron. Caitlin. JTT. Keely Flowers. Michael J. Fox. Lynn. David Cassidy.

Alisa. Josh Brolin. Amanda Sutcliffe. Leo Di Cassidy. Alisa. Josh Brolin. Amanda Sutcliffe. Leo DiCaprio. Mackenzie. Jesse McCartney. Crystal Sheffield. Keith Ledger. Gina. Billy the Blue Power Ranger. Chris.

George Michael. Adriana. Nat Wolfe from the Naked Brothers Band. Naked Brothers. It was like a Disney band. It's not. Why was it named? Alright. I don't the Naked Brothers Band. Naked Brothers. It was like a Disney band. It's not. Why was it named? I don't know. Okay, fine, fine.

April Deponet. Aaron Carter. Emma. The Beast. Don Kalinsky. Will Smith. Sarah. David Duchovny.

Kristen Rabb. Nick Carter. Laura's a ho-no-mo. Rick Moranis. Megan, Jonathan Jackson, Marcy Knight, Andy Garcia, Carly Jo, Bill Pullman, Jade, Troy Aikman, Jasmine, Danny Phantom, Samantha Jay, Orlando Bloom, Leah Lowry, Prince Eric, Joe Cranky Pants Joe Elliott Marissa Moreno Freddie Highmore

LJ Donnie Wahlberg Hope Reed Leo DiCaprio Lindsey Eddie Furlong Daniela Z Ponyboy Curtis

Julia Frank Sofalo Danny Phantom Tabitha Ash from the cartoon Pokemon Amy Hamrick Rob Lowe Caitlin McKay Leo DiCaprio

Hannah C Viggo Mortensen Viggo Mortensen Beck Zeta Mike Myers Heidi Christensen Jonathan Knight Cricket Summer

The lady on the cover of Godsmack's self-titled album. Okay, sure. I wish you'd be more specific. Lucy Clement. Zac Efron. Jenna Sherry. Christopher Maloney. Amber Power. Jordan Knight. Melanie Rodriguez. JTT. Sheena. Mulder. He made me believe. Jenny Jones. Jordan Knight. Mary Mahan. Steve Martin. Andrea. Fred and George Weasley.

Greedy. Connie. Andy Gibb. Amy Slade. Erica Strada. Josh. Carlos Pena. Casey.

Gavin Rosdale. Brianne. Donnie Wahlberg. Gavin Rosdale. Breanne. Donnie Wahlberg. Kay Mahoney, 1228. All right, Danny from New Kids on the Block. Melissa Batchelder. Jeremy Sumter. Lisa Valentine.

Mary Tyler Moore. Allie Mertens. JTT. Jessica Rowe. Taylor Hanson. Crystal Price. Jared Leto. Heather. Eric Von Deaton. Zachary Mc. Crystal Price. Jared Leto. Heather.

Eric Von Deaton. Zachary McVay. Dana McKellar. Julie Godsey. Jordan from New Kids on the Block again. Mackenzie Haney. Erin Carter. Jenny Gabehart.

Johnny Depp. Mandy Seyfried. Josh Hartnett. Beth Kay. Luke Perry. Jackie. Prunce. Jackie Pfeiffer. Jordan Knight. Carolyn. Leonardo DiCaprio. Welcome, all of you, to the Supreme Court! Thank you, all of you, for all of your support.

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I got my info from the 48 Hours episode, Capturing Mariah Wilson's Killer, and an article by Ian Parker for The New Yorker titled A Murder Royals the Cycling World, plus reporting from ABC News. Any errors are of course ours, but please don't take our word for it. New Yorker titled A Murder Royals the Cycling World, plus reporting from ABC News. Any errors are, of course, ours, but please don't take our word for it. Go read their stuff.