Let's Go To Court! - 47: Subway Spokesman Jared Fogle & a Brutal Attack on a Midwestern Family

Episode Date: December 19, 2018

John Duffield woke to a horrifying sound. It was his 15 year old son, Paul, calling out for help. John sprang out of bed to find Paul lying on the couch, bleeding from a massive head wound. But Paul��s injuries were just the start of the horror. John’s 12-year-old daughter Janelle was dead in her room. His 17-year-old daughter Kelly was missing. Investigators were puzzled. Was Kelly taken, or did she leave willingly? Was it really possible that John slept through this bloody attack? And if so, did that mean that this attack was carried out by a cold-blooded stranger? Then Kristin tells us about the downfall of former Subway spokesman and total creep Jared Fogle. When Jared was in college, he lost an astonishing 245 pounds by eating two Subway sandwiches a day for eleven months. His story made national headlines, and he quickly became the face of Subway. It was a win-win. Subway’s profits soared. Jared became a millionaire many times over. Subway couldn’t have asked for a better spokesman. Jared was just a genuine, boring midwestern guy. At least, that’s what everyone thought. And now for a note about our process. For each episode, Kristin reads a bunch of articles, then spits them back out in her very limited vocabulary. Brandi copies and pastes from the best sources on the web. And sometimes Wikipedia. (No shade, Wikipedia. We love you.) We owe a huge debt of gratitude to the real experts who covered these cases. In this episode, Kristin pulled from: An episode of Dr. Phil “Jared Fogle pens icky, flirty letter to woman from prison,” The Mercury-News “U.S. Atty: Jared Fogle used “wealth status and secrecy” to exploit kids,” CBS News “Why Jared Fogle was — and still might be — the perfect Subway spokesman,” The Washington Post “Subway Guy Visits Somerset,” Commonwealth Journal “Why did the Jared Fogle investigation take so long?” My Suncoast “From obesity to duplicity: Jared’s fall to Earth,” USA Today “Jared Fogle,” wikipedia In this episode, Brandi pulled from: “Silent Night” episode Ice Cold Killers “Man convicted in 35-year-old Olathe murder wants out of prison” by Peggy Breit, KMBC 9 News “Michael Cade K0044347” jococourts.org

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A proud member of Wayne's Auto Group. One semester of law school. One semester of criminal justice. Two experts. I'm Kristen Pitts. I'm Brandi Egan. Let's go to court. On this episode, I'll talk about jared fogel the subway guy and i'll be talking about a brutal attack on an average midwestern family my goodness i have a concern i'm just

gonna say right off the top third week in a row oh guys i have a cold we'll see okay here's my concern because we're recording a bunch of episodes really close together. It's going to sound to our listeners like I've been sick for weeks and weeks. Listen, we're having some crazy fall into winter weather here, which really hits my sinuses hard. Like when the weather fluctuates like this, because it was like a couple of days ago, like 20 degrees. And then now it's 50 degrees. And so my sinuses just rebel and, I don't know, attack me.

I remember getting so mad in North Carolina because someone said to me, you know, we have a saying out here. If you don't like the weather, just wait a day. It'll change. And I was like, no, you don't. You do not have that saying. In Kansas City, we have that saying, and it's true. It's so true.

Yeah, they're like, yeah, yesterday it was 71. Today it's 75. You just wait a day. It'll change. No. No. How about try, like, it was 14 yesterday and 64 today. I have been inspired to do a little series here on the podcast.

Oh, God. What you got, Brandy? Okay. So I talk a lot about how great Johnson County is. You do. You talk, maybe rub it in is probably the better way to put it. So Johnson County is my bubble. If you've been listening, you know that that's where I live. That's where I grew up. I love it. Never going to leave. Never going to

leave it. Hate to venture outside of it. But last week I covered a horrible case that happened in Johnson County. So I thought that I would maybe try and balance out my views on Johnson County and do a little series on some terrible things that have happened in Johnson County. I'm going to build on that case that I did last week. I'm going to do another Johnson County case this week. Wow. I love it. By the way, how often? I love it. By the way, how often, I mean, obviously you venture out of Johnson County once a week for sure to come to my house to do the podcast. How often?

Well, every day because I don't work in Johnson County. Oh, right, right, right. Are you trying to change that? Are you trying to like lift the salon up and move it over? No, I don't mind going to work outside of it. And so, and I don't mind visiting people outside of it. But doing my own personal business, I like to shop in my little bubble. I like to run my errands in my little bubble. It's where I feel safe, Kristen. And now I'm going to point out over the next few episodes how I should no longer feel safe there.

Okay. okay i'm gonna start off by saying that i got the majority of the information for this episode from an episode of ice cold killers i've never even heard of that i was not familiar with it either let me guess discovery channel um investigation yeah yeah yes so really great show i knew a tiny bit about this case and I was like, I wonder if I can find enough on this to do an episode about it. And I found this great episode of this show. Okay. So really helped me out. I'm so excited to do this. Get ready for a brutal attack, Kristen. You are such a creep because you say that and you have like a twinkle in your eye. You have like a twinkle in your eye.

The Duffield family was a close one. Everyone who knew them said they just genuinely liked each other and loved spending time together. John and Carol Duffield had married in 1965 and welcomed their first child, a daughter named Kelly, that same year. They were hardworking people and just wanted to provide a stable home and a happy life for their growing family. So they settled in Olathe, Kansas. Olathe is a suburb of Kansas City located in the southern part of Johnson County. It is the same town where the Avignon Villas from, I believe it's episode 13, the Homeowners Association from Hell. So we talked about Olathe there. Those are located there. And it's also the same town where John Robinson,

internet's first serial killer, I believe episode 29, he lived in and was arrested in Olathe, Kansas. So the Duffield family continued to grow as they welcomed a son named Paul in 1967 and another daughter named Janelle in 1970. And by 1983, they were thriving. Carol had fulfilled her lifelong dream of becoming a registered nurse. She went to school while raising her children and was now working overnights at Olathe Medical Center, and John was working in car sales. Kelly was getting ready to graduate high school,

and Paul and Janelle were active in their school activities. It seemed like they were living the dream. But on January 28, 1983, that dream would become a nightmare. Ooh. It was just before 5 a.m. John was asleep in the master bedroom of the Duffield duplex located at 1424 East Haven Lane.

Hold the phone. One more time. Okay, 1424 East Haven Lane. You guys with your Johnson County, we live in Haven Lane. Olat with your Johnson County Haven Lane. Olathe. Olathe, yeah. And by the way, it's spelled Olathe. Yeah, or Olath.

Olathe. Yeah. Okay, let me see here. So it's a duplex. I don't know which side of the duplex is theirs, but. That's nice. Yeah, cute duplex. Had to do some really creepy digging to, uh,

I love that address by the way. I love how you say had to do when I know you love doing the creepy. Oh, at first I couldn't find the address and it legit killed me. I was like, I have to know where, how did they were living? How did you find just some real deep internet searching

phone book uh essentially white pages yeah and i actually know someone that lives like two streets over from that so i'm gonna be cruising by this you'll be like hey i know we haven't hung out in a while okay so it's just before 5 a.m they're at oh they're in the man i know that black bob park oh oh yeah oh man sorry this is not interesting to anyone to anyone else i know where this is okay so go ahead everybody's asleep carol's at work at the hospital and suddenly John wakes up. He hears a loud noise and a scream coming from Paul. He jumped out of bed and rushed downstairs to find Paul badly beaten but clinging to life. His head had been smashed open with some kind of heavy object, and there was blood everywhere. John immediately attempted to call for help and picked up the phone to call 911, but the line was dead.

Oh, no, no, no, no. This is the scare. Oh, no. It's real creepy. Yep. Panicked and aware that time was of the essence to get Paul help, John ran out of the house to the next door neighbors to call the police. After placing the call and getting word that help was on the way, John ran back into the house to check on his daughters.

He got to 12-year-old Janelle's room first. He found her badly beaten in the face and the head and blood was spattered all around her room. Oh my God. She'd been pulled off the bed and her legs were splayed open

as if whoever had carried out this attack had intended to sexually assault her. But hadn't? Mm-mm. No. That's interesting. Unlike Paul, though, Janelle had no signs of life. She was already dead.

Oh. Next, he ran to Kelly's room. But there was no sign of Kelly. She was missing. How old was Kelly? Kelly's 17. But there was no sign of Kelly. She was missing. How old was Kelly? Kelly, 17. Oh, shit. Police were on the scene quickly and EMTs rushed Paul to the hospital.

It was clear that he had taken multiple blows from a heavy blunt object. It was shocking that he was showing any signs of life and they knew his chances of survival were dwindling. He was immediately taken into surgery to try and repair his injuries. Does Kelly have a creepy boyfriend? I don't know. Does she? I just. Got a feeling?

Got a feeling. About a boyfriend? Got a feeling about a creepy boyfriend. Okay, just putting it out there. Putting it out there right now. Why do I do this? I always feel terrible when I'm wrong. Do you want to call him a super douche right now? No. Or do I? And did I just edit it out there right now. Why do I do this? I always feel terrible when I'm wrong. Do you want to call him a super douche right now?

No. Or do I? And did I just edit it out? So they know that his injuries are super severe and it will be a miracle for him to survive. But they rush him into surgery. Get that going. Meanwhile, investigators searched the duffield house room by room closet by closet for any sign of kelly unlike her brother and sister's rooms

her room was free of blood let me back up just for a second okay janelle was in her room paul was actually asleep on the couch i don't know that he regularly slept on the couch but he had been asleep on the couch in the living room how close is his room to janelle or how close is the living room couch to janelle's room close very close okay um my understanding of kelly's creepy boyfriend comes in he's gonna kill and assault janelle paul well no, Paul didn't walk. Okay. I'll stop talking out of my ass right now. I'll tell you my understanding of the layout of this duplex.

Okay. You go in. There's like the living room right on the entry level. Right. Paul's asleep on the couch there. Gotcha. You go up like a half flight of stairs, two girls' bedroom. That's where Janelle and Kelly's bedrooms are. You go up another half flight of stairs. That's' bedroom. That's where Janelle and Kelly's bedrooms are. You go up another

half flight of stairs, that's the master bedroom. Okay. Got it? Got it. Excellent. So they're searching the house and they think maybe Kelly's hiding. Maybe she heard the attack and went to hide somewhere, something like that. they don't find her anywhere. There's no sign of her. There's no blood in her room. Nothing. Hmm. Police were then concerned that perhaps Kelly had run from the home to flee the attacker,

which could mean that she could be out in the frigid January conditions in just her nightclothes. And we know this. Kansas winters can be very cold. Yes. And super windy. Yeah. That's the thing about the cold here is that it usually is accompanied by this crazy wind that just cuts to your bones.

Yes. And on this particular January night, there were several inches of snow on the ground. Oh, no. So it's just terrible conditions for her to be outside if she had run from the house and like fleeing this mystery attacker. Right, right. Police launched an immediate search of the area for Kelly. Back at the house, detectives start processing the scene and it shows no signs of forced

entry and very little signs of struggle. I wonder how that could be. You're still sticking with that boyfriend theory, huh? I'm feeling more confident in my theory by the minute. Excellent. I'm like a detective who has made up their mind and they're going to convict the guy regardless. Wonderful. their mind and like they're gonna convict the guy regardless wonderful so they did note two things during the investigation that they decided not to release to the public they figured this was a

strategic move they figured if they had these two little things that kind of were important details that they didn't release that would be one of their things that would kind of right be a clue when they had the right person. So first, the phone line had been disabled. We know that already. Yeah. And that did get released to the public, that it had been disabled. But how it had been disabled was not.

When they released that the phone lines were disabled, the police or the, I'm sorry, the newspapers just printed that the phone lines had been cut. Oh, okay. So it was just a mistake, but it worked in the police's favor. Because they hadn't been cut at all. They'd actually been, like, torn. So on an outside telephone box, like in an old standard landline, the wires are coated in, like, a fabric. It was like this fabric had been, like, worn apart,

and then the wires had been pulled apart once they'd gotten inside this box. It had clearly been like torn apart by hand, not cut by a sharp tool. So Kelly's boyfriend is Paul Bunyan? Or the Hulk, maybe. Yeah. They also noted that Janelle had been sleeping

on a rubber sheet. So she's 12 years old, but she'd been sick the night before and she had vomited in her bed. And so her mom had put the rubber sheet on the bed in case it happened again so that it would be easier to clean up. Right. They could just pull it off and she could go right back to sleep. Okay. When Janelle's body was found on the floor of her room, the rubber sheet was beneath her, meaning the attacker had probably used it to pull her off of the bed. So they didn't release that information about the rubber sheet to the

public. As I mentioned, there was no sign of forced entry into the home, but the back door was unlocked and there was a footprint in the snow just outside that door. They were sure that this was how the attacker had made entry, which meant that that footprint probably belonged to the attacker. So they attempted to make a mold of the print. So they like, they have to pour plaster on it to make a mold of it, but it's just in the snow.

And as soon as they poured the plaster on it, it melted. It just totally melted. Please tell me they had at least like photographed it. They had photographed it, yeah. But as far as getting a mold to actually match it up with another shoe, no go. If that back door was unlocked though,

did that mean that perhaps someone had let the attacker in the home? Or left it open for them intentionally? Or was this just a case of small town trust? The current population of Olathe is around 140,000 people today. Right. But in 1983, it was estimated at right around 35,000. Whoa! Way smaller. Okay. It's seen huge development over the past few decades. Okay.

So in that day, it had a very small town feel, and it was nowhere near as developed as it is today. Okay. So do you think people just felt safe there and were just leaving the doors unlocked? I mean, it's hard for me to imagine that. I have never felt that way. Me either. Anywhere I've lived.

But I was raised on Dateline, so. True story. Me too. I mean, it's possible. Yeah, I think I read my first true crime book. Elementary school, right? Yeah, which I will be doing on this podcast. Have not done it yet.

No, you've already done it. It's Helter Skelter, right? That's not the first true crime book I read. That's not the first one? No. What'd you start with? I'm not going to tell you because I'm going to do the case. It's a local case. And I wanted to read it because it's local i read it i think i was 10 or 11 you know you're the person who got me into reading uh-huh crime books really i still

remember it was um the fifth grade and you told me about the book um i think it was called the face on the milk carton oh yeah yes i was like huh interesting yeah i remember i like devoured it yeah creepy as hell yeah super creepy turns out i like being creeped out that's right me too knew it for me it's in my blood because that true crime book that first one i read but i'm not going to tell you the title of got it from my aunt your aunt gave it to you yeah she had it and i was like i think i'd really like to read this and she's like you should read it it's really good it happened here because i used to go through because she had a whole like bookshelf full of true crime books she loved true crime books oh my gosh i would go through them and just look at the pictures because usually they have like disgusting awful pictures sometimes

they're disgusting disgusting and awful disgusting sometimes they're disgusting and awful and sometimes they're just of the people you know and right and so i would really like looking through the pictures and so that one stuck out to me for some reason. And she's like, that one happened here. You should read it. Oh my gosh. I'm so excited. Okay. Okay. Continue. Anyway. Okay. So Paul's in surgery. They've searched the house. No sign of Kelly anywhere. Paul miraculously comes through surgery, but he's in a coma. They have no idea when or if he'll wake up. And if he does, they have no idea what kind of brain function he'll have. Will he be able to remember anything? They'll just have to wait and find out.

He will remember. Will he? Yeah. Will he remember that Kelly's boyfriend beat him over the head? That's exactly what he'll say. Wow. With like a Ming vase? Ming vase?

Yeah. What do you think the blunt object is? Not a vase. That doesn't sound like a tool of a creepy boyfriend. Oh, okay. Would you like to make a guess? Baseball bat. All right.

All right. With one child dead, one child missing, one child in critical condition. And Carol's... Is it gross and bad that I'm making like a guessing game out of this? No, I think it's great. Okay. No, I think it's really good. Okay. Yeah.

And Carol's whereabouts confirmed. She was at work at the hospital the night of the attack. That left only John's whereabouts that night unconfirmed. Oh. You haven't even considered the dad, Kristen. No, no, I was so locked in. Yeah. Okay.

Oh, God, but why would, oh. So detectives questioned him about it, and he essentially had no alibi. Well, he was asleep, right? I mean. He told detectives that he went to bed when Carol left for work, just like he always did, and that he'd slept soundly until he heard that cry for help at five in the morning. At best, it was a super weak alibi and there was no real way to corroborate it. interrogation room and they're like okay you expect us to believe that this brutal attack happened in your home and you didn't hear any of it yeah okay bud but john's like some people are

hard john's like i swear i didn't hear anything until paul cried out for me i I did have my TV on though. I always sleep with my TV on. There was a basketball game on. So maybe the sounds of the game masked the sounds of what were going on in the house. What do you think about that, Kristen? Does that seem like a viable option? I mean, I'm so locked in on the boyfriend that I don't even know that Kelly had. locked in on the boyfriend that I don't even know that Kelly had. I don't know. Maybe this is a mistake. I'm kind of on the dad's side, even though I agree that's crazy. You didn't hear stuff. But at the same time, I hate to call that a terrible alibi. I mean, what else do you do at night besides

sleep? That's like everyone's alibi for nighttime. It's not really, that's like everyone's alibi for nighttime. Yeah. So. It's true. So what do you think detectives can do to try and verify that? They say, hey, you know how we all have cameras set up in our master bedrooms? I don't know what people can do. So they're like, all right, we're going to test out this little excuse of yours.

So they go to the Duffield house. They go to the bedroom. They turn on the TV at the level of volume that it would have been on. Right. And then they have a police officer go down to the main floor and make all kinds of noise, all kinds of crashes and bangs and different noises. Yeah. And they couldn't hear any of it.

Whoa. No sound carried to the master bedroom. Well, I mean, it is multiple floors. Yeah. Yeah. They couldn't hear any of it at all. Okay. John's story checked out.

But they still weren't sure. Sure, that doesn't necessarily mean he didn't do it. But he agreed to take a polygraph. He told the lead investigator, you can do anything to me. I do not care. Just get it done so you can clear me and get on to looking for the real suspect. He's like, I'll do whatever you fucking want. Yeah.

So they hook him up. They do a polygraph. The results show that he was being completely truthful. And John was finally cleared. He was just as much a victim as anyone else here. He was a grieving father. Yeah. And one of his children was still missing.

Oh, God. You got one dead. Yeah. one in critical condition in the hospital you have no idea where the third one is with her boyfriend oh you think yes i'm becoming even more confident by this time the search for kelly had been expanded the public was asked to check their larger properties for any signs of anything unusual. Because near where this happened is some pretty rural areas at that time. It's all way more developed now. But at that time, there were larger properties, more rural. And so people were asked to check all the way to the edge of their properties, look for anything that had been disturbed, look for anything unusual. ATVs were brought in to check through wooded areas.

Helicopters were brought in to do aerial searches. Nothing. There was no sign of the missing teenager. Days had gone by. So detectives began to question if maybe she'd been involved in the attack and wasn't so much missing but had run away perhaps she'd let the attacker in the house that night and then left willingly with that person johnny carroll were adamant that this couldn't be the case but detectives couldn't just rule it out

based on the parents don't believe it yeah so they started talking to kelly's friends and acquaintances and co-workers she was a car hop at like a local like drive-in restaurant okay and turns out that kelly had a boyfriend. Oh! Hmm. Hmm. Weird. I'm sure he was a great guy. Just as you suspected all along, Kristen. Am I a brilliant genius? I don't know.

Let's stay tuned and find out if you're a brilliant genius. Okay. So they bring in Nathaniel Avery, Kelly's boyfriend, for questioning. But they clear him almost immediately. He is willing to answer every question they have. He's this really small, timid guy. Oh, no. Like, there's no way that he did this crime.

Yeah. You're kidding me. He's so distraught that his girlfriend is missing. I'm sorry, Nathaniel. There's not a chance in hell that this guy had anything to do with this attack. Nathaniel, I apologize for being a rash idiot, not a brilliant genius. Damn it. Okay.

So they're back to square one. No Kelly, no suspect, not much else to go on. Then they got a call from a neighbor who remembered something. She remembered that she saw a strange man walking through the neighborhood the day of the attack, like earlier in the day. And he looked like he was looking around real good. And the neighbor just got a bad feeling about it, just a gut feeling that this guy was up to no good. She'd never seen him before. Remember, this is, at that time, a small town.

Yeah, yeah. He just looked out of place. Just creeped her out. So detectives had the neighbor come in and put together a composite sketch of the man. Police were hopeful that this might be their suspect, so they released that composite to the public and asked anyone who might recognize him to reach out.

And they waited for tips to come in. While they were waiting, detectives got their first bit of good news in the case. Paul came out of his coma. They rushed to the hospital to see him and ask him if he remembered anything about the attack this could be the break they needed but paul couldn't tell them anything about his attacker yeah he'd been asleep and he'd woken up in severe pain and that's when he'd called out for his dad he wasn't even awake when the attack had happened so he saw nothing wait what do you mean he wasn't even awake? So like

he called out for his dad and then the person? No, no, no. He was attacked much before he called out for his dad. Oh. Yeah. He had slept through it and then he came to in this terrible pain, feels blood everywhere, calls out for his dad. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. calls out for his dad. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. It was another blow

to the investigation. They were still nowhere and another blow was about to come. A man came forward to talk to investigators after he recognized himself

from the composite sketch. He told the police that he had been in the neighborhood that day because his car had broken down, and he was walking through the neighborhood to try and, he was going to knock on somebody's door and ask to use their phone so he could make arrangements to get his car towed or repaired. He had an airtight alibi for the time of the attacks.

You're kidding me. The investigation was back at square one. By this time, Kelly had been missing 10 days. Oh, no. And then some kids were playing in the snow near Frisco Lake in Olathe, and they saw what they thought was a human leg sticking out of a drainage

culvert near the water. Oh, God. The boys ran home to tell their parents, and police were called to the scene. There, police discovered the body of Kelly Duffield. She was frozen and had been dead for 10 days. Yeah. She'd been raped and then killed by blunt force trauma with multiple blows to the back of the head oh god a small sledgehammer was found near her body

police were confident that that was the murder weapon well no shit police were like what a coincidence. Right. The location of the body would become an important part of the case. It led investigators to believe that the killer was local. This was not a place that someone would accidentally stumble upon. And it wasn't a straight shot from the Duffield house. The route from the Duffield house to the lake was actually fairly complicated. There was like this almost like a frontage road, like a little access road that you had to take to get down to the lake.

Okay. You had to know it was there. Yes. To find it. Gotcha. So this was someone who had intimate knowledge of this area. Mm-hmm. The autopsy showed that Kelly was six weeks pregnant.

Oh. So they went back to take another look at her boyfriend. Had he found out about that pregnancy and gone into a rage? Is it possible that timid little Nathaniel could have done this? He swore to investigators that he had no knowledge of the pregnancy god what a terrible way to find out about a pregnancy yeah and that he was devastated that kelly had been found murdered he and his parents authorized a full search of their house and it turned up nothing he was again cleared in the case yeah Yeah. Detectives had nothing to go on.

They started to believe that they would only be able to catch this attacker when he committed his next crime. And they were kind of right. Three months went by with no new leads. No, that's terrifying.

Then police got a break. In April, police got a call from a woman who was assaulted outside an Olathe restaurant. A man tried to get her to go in his car with him. And when she told him no, it became physical. First, he tried to force her in the car. And when she fought back, he snatched her purse and took off. So she calls the police. Hold on.

What restaurant? I don't know. I wish I knew. I wish I knew. So police, she calls the police. They come out. They're like taking her statement about this. She's like, he stole my purse.

I think he was trying to abduct me. I don't know. But he ended up just taking my purse. Yeah. So she's standing there outside this restaurant giving this statement. And he drives by. You're kidding me. No.

So she's like, that's him. That's the guy. That's the guy who stole my purse. And so police chase him down. Yes. And they take him into custody. OK. He is 21- take him into custody. Okay. He is 21-year-old Michael Cade.

And he doesn't have the purse with him anymore. And so they're like, did you just snatch that lady's purse? What'd you do with it? Where is it? You don't have it? And he says that he dumped it. What? At Frisco Lake.

No. Yes. Why did he admit that? No idea. And so police, like alarm bells are going off and they're like, holy shit, holy shit, holy shit, holy shit. Like this is not just a purse snatching. This is probably our guy. So they arrest him.

They put him in holding and they pull his record turns out he has a record of breaking and entering where he has disabled phone lines he has a record of breaking into an elementary school and like killing the class rabbit oh god yeah so all of those happened, like, in his juvenile record. Yeah. Now he's 21. So detectives are like, this is him. This is it. Yeah, for sure.

This is for sure him. And so they bring him in for interrogation. So they bring him in like they're just going to question him about the purse case. But when they bring him into the interrogation room, they have the sledgehammer sitting on the table. Oh, my God. Oh, I love it. So he sits down

and he immediately looks at it. Shits his pants. Yeah. And they're like trying to ask him questions and he just keeps like staring at the hammer. I bet he did.

He cannot focus. Oh, my God. He's just staring at it. And they didn't ask him any of it. They didn't ask him anything about it. They're asking him about the purse snatching's just staring at it. And they didn't ask him any of it. They didn't ask him anything about it. They're asking him

about the purse snatching and where he dumped it and he mentions that he dumped it near where they found that body. Oh. Okay.

That is fucking stupid. Yes. And so finally like that was the opening that the police needed and so they were like Funny you should mention that.

Let's talk about it. Yeah, the lead detective's like do you know anything about the death field murders you've heard of them and he's like yeah yeah i heard about those no i don't really know anything about it i did have a dream about it though and they're like oh oh, really? You had a dream about it? And so he walks them through a dream he had. Oh, God. Where he found himself outside of the Duffield house. He walked around to the back of the house. And he used a screwdriver to pull the phone cords out to cut the lines. Which explains why the phone cords would be ripped and not cut,

something nobody else would know about. Yep. And then he entered through an unlocked back door. Once he entered the house, he saw Paul asleep on the sofa, and he felt that Paul was big enough that he could have interfered somehow. And so he immediately struck him twice in the head with a sledgehammer and assumed he was dead and carried on. Then he went into Janelle's room and he found her asleep.

He said that she was asleep on the floor on a rubber sheet. Oh, my God. And that he bludgeoned her a couple times with the hammer, and that next he went to Kelly's room, and instead of killing her, he decided he was going to take her. He abducted her, carried her out to his car, drove her to a remote area where he raped her, and then he told her she was free to go if she wouldn't say anything.

Oh, my God. And she was like, I won't say anything. I won't say anything. I swear I won't tell anybody. I won't tell anybody anything. Yeah. And he let her get out of the car and start walking down the road. Yeah.

And when she was just a few yards up the road, he got out and he ran her down, and he hit her in the back of the head two or three times with the hammer. Then he dragged her body back to the car, put her in it and drove her down that access road and dumped her by the water at Frisco Lake. All a dream. This is just a dream, Kristen. Yeah. It's just weird how all the details are. Yeah. Exactly.

Correct. Right. Oh, my God. That's so. Yeah. So the detectives are like huh it's a pretty specific dream you had there huh weird weird you know some stuff in that dream that we haven't actually you know told anybody about oops he's like, really? And they're like, yeah. And they're like, come on, Michael.

Like, this wasn't really a dream, was it? And he admitted that it wasn't. Yeah. That it was true and that he had done it. And that he told them he picked the house completely at random. You're kidding me. Police don't necessarily believe that. They think he may have seen Kelly in town and become like infatuated with her.

He swears that he didn't have any previous knowledge of the home or anything and that he just picked it because the door opened. Oh my God. How terrible. Yeah. So, okay. this next part i watched this whole thing and then there's like no information available about the court stuff yeah so what i know i've pulled just from public records so it's not a lot but okay okay so on april 14th, Michael Cade was charged with two counts of first degree murder, one count each of aggravated battery, aggravated burglary, rape, and aggravated kidnapping.

Dennis Moore was the Johnson County District Attorney at the time. You know Dennis Moore? That sounds really familiar. He was the representative for one of the Kansas House of Representatives. Oh, okay. I don't know the date range. I think until like 2011 or something like that. Okay.

But he was the Johnson County District Attorney at the time, and he was the lead prosecutor on the case. Cade initially pled not guilty, and his defense attorney filed several motions to get his confession thrown out because after all it was just a dream that's correct um additionally cade was sent to um topeka several times for mental health evaluations so i can only see that there were transport orders put in yeah in the court records but said that he he was taken to Topeka for mental health evaluations. Ultimately, though, the defense motions were denied by the judge. And on October 6, 1983, Michael Cade withdrew his not guilty pleas and pled guilty to all

charges. On October 7, he was sentenced to life in prison with the possibility of parole. Really? Mm-hmm. Yep. He has been up for parole, I think, three times now. The most recent was in February of this year. Oh, my God.

So each time, Carol, I believe. So John Duffield died of cancer in 1998 so I believe he was dead before the first parole opportunity came up so each time Carol and Paul have argued in front of the parole board to get his parole denied and actually the lead

investigator has also argued in front of the parole board each time I can't believe that's even a possibility for him. I know. It's nuts. Because the way the charges read out, he was actually sentenced to life for multiple charges.

So it just seems crazy that he would ever have a possibility of parole. Oh, so Carol and Paul have argued each time in front of the parole board. Yeah. Until Carol died in 2011. She died in hospice after a short illness. I don't know what it was. Got that from her obituary. Yeah.

And so then the last time he was up for parole was February of this year. Uh-huh. The last time he was up for parole was February of this year. A GoFundMe campaign was made to raise money for Paul to be able to come back to Kansas. He no longer lives in Kansas. Who could blame him? To be able to argue in front of the parole board. I believe he came and argued as well as the lead investigator on the case. And the parole board was set to rule in April of 2018.

set to rule in april of 2018 i can find nothing on the ruling but current inmate registrations so that he is still an inmate at lansing correctional facility so he has not been released okay to date but i can't find where the parole board issued their ruling on whether it was denied or approved approved so it must have been denied i like to think it was such a no-brainer that they were yep so paul is the lone survivor of the duffield family oh my gosh poor paul poor paul and he suffers i believe some lasting handicaps from his horrible injury yeah i. I think it, I don't know. I believe I read somewhere that it damaged like his reasoning skills or something like that. Well, yeah. I mean, hit multiple times in the head with a sledgehammer.

Yeah. Yeah. At one of the, at one of the parole hearings, I know he said like, I have to live with the physical scars of this night for the rest of my life. Yeah. This guy should be in prison for the rest of his. Not to mention the emotional scars. Absolutely. of my life. Yeah. This guy should be in prison for the rest of his. Not to mention the emotional scars. Absolutely.

Oh, my gosh. That is the case of the Duffield family in safe little Olathe in Johnson County. That is crazy. Isn't that crazy? It stuns me that it was someone who maybe didn't know them. Some random guy maybe didn't know them at all. Maybe had seen Kelly a couple times. Maybe.

Yeah, that's unreal. Isn't that nuts? Yes. Yeah. Whew. Okay. Thanks for that one, Brandi. You're welcome.

Really delivering here. Oh, my gosh. Are're welcome. Really delivering here. Oh my gosh, are we going to talk about a pedophile now? I can hardly wait. No, we're not going to talk about a pedophile. We're going to talk about a nice guy who enjoys sandwiches. Oh, okay. Yeah.

Excellent. Stay tuned. Okay. Okay. Today, we're going to talk about Jared Fogle, the subway spokesman. Excellent. Sorry, former subway spokesman. Can you imagine if he was still the spokesman? Let's talk about Jared.

Are you familiar with his story? Yeah, he lost like 200 pounds walking a subway every day eating a sandwich. It is a story that is embedded in all of our minds. Yeah. When Jared was a student at Indiana University, he weighed 425 pounds. Yeah. And in just 11 months, he lost an astonishing 245 pounds. Holy shit.

That is astonishing. Yeah, it's ridiculous. Yeah. How did he do it, you ask? Mm-hmm. He went to Subway. He went to Subway a lot. Yeah.

For lunch, he'd have a six-inch turkey sub. And for dinner, he'd have the 12-inch veggie delight. And for dinner, he'd have the 12-inch veggie delight. Ooh. He'd get a diet soda, a bag of baked chips or pretzels with each meal, and he never added cheese or mayo or oil to his sandwiches. Hmm. Just mustard.

Mm-hmm. That all sounds disgusting. Yeah, I don't want that sandwich. Who wants a sandwich with no cheese on it yeah i ask you norm i feel like he didn't want that it's just that we didn't have cheese in the house that one time all right well he ate it yeah i know i'm with you because to me if there's no cheese for the sandwich no sandwich no sandwich but then thanks i'll pass I'm not that into sandwich. You're not a sandwich person. You don't even know if it's turkey or ham. Yeah, okay. Yeah, try and come back, Kristen.

I can't come back from that. So in other words, he went from eating more than 10,000 calories a day to eating about 1,000 calories a day. Wow. Also, this is never mentioned anywhere but what college student can afford to eat out i know twice a day who was funding that i don't know one of his former roommates although if he was ingesting that many calories before yeah you're right he was probably spending so much on food that it was cheaper to do this.

Probably. Yeah. Okay. One of his... I'm sorry, did I just defend Jared Fogle? Because I'll take that back. Stay tuned, folks,

because Brandi's going to defend him all the way through the end of this episode. I will not. One of his former roommates noticed his weight loss and said, hey, I want to write a story about you for the Indiana Daily Student. So Jared said, sure. And a while later, Men's Health wrote about him.

The headline for that article was stupid diets dot dot dot that work. Wow. Pretty soon, Subway found about jared and they were thrilled they were like wow this is a crazy story i bet it could sell some subs so they created an ad campaign featuring jared jared's first subway commercial aired on januaryst, 2000. Brilliant timing, I think. Everybody's got their New Year's resolution. The commercial told the audience his story. Do you remember these commercials?

Yeah. I remember them so well. Oh, yeah. And at the end, there was this disclaimer that said, the Subway diet, combined with a lot of walking, worked for Jared. We're not saying this is for everyone you should check with your doctor before starting any diet program but it worked for jared after that commercial sales shot up by 20 holy shit well do you remember all of a sudden subway

became healthy yeah which is total bullshit it is I mean, all I've ever ordered was like the meatball sub with the cheese and the Italian BMT. Yeah. Neither of those are on the healthy menu. Cheese, oils, fats. All of it. Okay. And I don't like baked

chips. I'm sorry. Yeah. I don't mind them. I like the baked barbecue ones. Those are pretty good. I like them. I'm sorry yeah i don't mind them i like the baked barbecue ones those are pretty good i like them i'm sorry you can scowl at me all day the texture makes them kind of like a pringle don't you like pringles i love pringles don't you dare compare they're kind of like a pringle yeah in the way that lightning is kind of like a lightning bug so sales shot up jared went on to film more than 300 commercials holy shit his impact on subway was insane in 1998 subway had about three billion dollars in sales by 2011 they had 11.5 billion holy shit yeah

and also all these sources are like well just so you know you can't totally contribute all that to Jared. And it's like, no shit. No shit. Yeah. So in other words, don't be an idiot. Yeah. Okay.

I just hate it when they say obvious stuff like that. Okay. Jared was the perfect spokesperson because he was just this sweet,, Midwestern guy. Don't look at me like that. He was so boring. He didn't have an arrest record. He didn't have a drug addiction. He never made a scene in public. Quit making that face. Brandy, he was just a nice guy with a simple story okay i once was overweight and now thanks to subway i'm not excellent what more do you want nothing can't imagine wanting anything more jared's relationship with subway was a win-win he became a millionaire many times over. By 2015, he was worth about $15 million.

Holy shit. Can you believe it? No. All because he ate a bunch of stupid Subway. South Park wrote an episode about him. He became a motivational speaker and he was really good at it.

Did you ever watch that episode of South Park? Yeah, I've seen it. Is it good? Yeah. Okay, I hadn't seen it. In 2008, Subway did a big campaign to celebrate Jared. It'd been 10 years since he lost the weight. They sent him on a tour de pants,

where he did some speeches and always had his, you know, you know how he'd have his pair of 62. Damn, except it's clever. Is that why you were making that face? I love it! You didn't want to like it, but you do? Tour de pants! Hey, take the laughs where you can in this script. I love it!

We're going to get on a bumpy road in a minute here. So, you know, he always had that pair of 62-inch pants. And he told everyone that once the ad tour was over, he'd donate the pants to a museum. What museum would want those pants? I don't know. The Crime Museum? But Jared did more than just star in a bunch of subway commercials.

He gave back to the community. In 2004, he started the Jared Foundation, a nonprofit organization that helped raise awareness about childhood obesity. This allowed him to travel around talking to kids. Great. So nice of him. So to sum up, everybody swallow your vomit. So to sum up, Jared is awesome.

He's eating his turkey subs, no mayo, no cheese, and he's making tons of money, and he's helping children. Then in 2007, Jared was at a school health event in Sarasota, Florida. Local reporter Rochelle Herman-Walrind was there to interview Jared and cover the event for her radio show, Health Beat of America. And that's when everyone's favorite boring spokesman turned to her and said a bunch of gross stuff about how hot

the middle school girls were. Oh, God. Rochelle was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what? She immediately made note of what he'd said, and then she went to the FBI. She was like, hey, turns out Jared from Subway is a huge creep. The FBI was like, excuse me, what? The guy with the big pants?

So they said, Rochelle, will you stay in contact with him? Can we wiretap your conversations? Yes. Did she say yes? Yeah, she did. So for the next four years. What? She recorded every conversation she had with Jared.

Four years? Can you imagine? conversation she had with Jared. Four years? Can you imagine? The tapes were so gross. By the way, in the articles I read, the FBI never confirmed working with her, but she took the tapes to Dr. Phil. Yeah, yeah, it's... You ready for a transcript? I cannot wait. I'm scared. Real scared. You should be.

Get ready to feel really sorry for her because she had to, like, pretend she was kind of into it to get him to talk to this. Yeah, okay, here we go. Rochelle, you must go crazy with your travels because you get to go into all the different schools and, you know, all the different things like that. Can, um, can I want, I want you to, I mean, I'm sure you have a lot of stories. I want you to tell me some of them so that I know, um, I know I just like to Jared. Yeah. Especially some of the middle schools. I love the middle schools and that. Girls are starting to get tits, you know? Rochelle. Yeah?

Jared. Because you know how much I love big tits. You know I love huge tits. Oh my gosh! He's talking about middle schoolers! And I'm sorry, but if you love huge tits, middle schoolers are not the way to go! Rochelle.

I know, uh-huh, Well, and they're ready. Jared, what's that? Rochelle, well, you know, kids are maturing faster nowadays. Jared, I know, which I love. That's why I think it's wonderful with you is that you're able to get in early. You know what I mean? You could totally, you could totally win them over, which is what I love. Rochelle. You like that? Jared. I do love that.

I'm sorry. It's so gross. Oh my God. It's so gross. There's more. Rochelle. Tell me. Well, you have to tell me how to do that.

Jared, you know, just talk to them. Just get to know them. Just everything. And, you know, just do little touchy-feely things with them. You know, make them feel good and a little more touchy-feely, a little more touchy-feely, a little more touchy-feely, and it's that kind of stuff. So you look like you're about to projectile oh god it's

so bad there's one more little section and then we're going to be done with the transcript i'm ready for it rochelle says what ages seem to be the easiest jared you know i don't know like you know early middle school is probably one of the best rochelle yeah jared yeah they don't know. Like, you know, early middle school is probably one of the best. Rochelle. Yeah? Jared. Yeah, they don't know if they're coming or going. Ugh.

Yeah. So your reaction to the four years thing was kind of like my reaction. Yeah. And there's a lot of speculation as to why it took so long for the FBI to finally get Jared because Rochelle Rochelle said she made these recordings for years. And another article I read said that when court documents actually came out regarding Jared's eventual arrest, the documents said that witnesses in Florida, Georgia and Washington had recorded conversations with Jared about him wanting to have sex with kids. with Jared about him wanting to have sex with kids. But it's possible that maybe there wasn't enough hard evidence in these tapes. They just felt like he's so rich he'll slide right out of this or he'll just say, oh, this was just a fantasy.

Yeah. So if the tapes didn't undo Jared, what did? Yeah. Oh, fantasy. Thought crime. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And we know Brandy's not weirded out by a thought crime at all.

No, no, no. That's what we know. That's not what we know. I am plenty weirded out by them. I think they cannot be prosecuted. He said no actual crime has taken place. It's conspiracy. It's conspiracy to commit the crime. We will no actual crime has taken place. It's conspiracy! It's conspiracy to commit the crime!

We will never agree on this, Kristen! The law agrees with me. It's conspiracy to commit a crime. Oh, really? Which can be a crime. Because cannibal cop got off scot-free? They didn't show enough conspiracy to commit, yes. Oh, okay. You know what? I hope he comes and i hope he gets you

oh my god no i don't really oh god make meatballs out of me stop okay we anyway chris and i may have stocked his instagram one day and he has pictures of some meatballs on there we are so creepy we are super we get really into this stuff yeah i'm so glad we have this podcast because like before we did this yeah i think i've told you like norman would come into my office at like midnight and be like what you doing and i'd have like a bunch of tabs open and i'd just be doing a deep dive into some weird thing and like what could i say i couldn't say oh i'm working no yeah i'd say yeah well say, yeah, well, there's this weird thing that happened in 1922.

If my internet history ever gets looked into, I have an excuse about it. I'm sure we're on some list. We 100% are on some list. So what undid Jared? I bet you'll tell us. What if I was like, I don't know guys.

I didn't get that far. I didn't get that far. I didn't get that far. I got distracted. In a busy week. Do you remember Jared's 100% wonderful and not at all creepy charity for kids? Yeah. The Jared Foundation. Yeah.

What a douchey name. Yeah. Super douchey. Well, we couldn't make it Jared Loves Kids. Be a little too on the nose. The working title is Jared Loves Kids and Big Tits. Got shut down pretty quickly. Oh, God. You're going to throw yourself into a coughing fit.

Can you imagine? We wanted to name it that, but no one was applying for our grants. Don't know why. The director of the Jared Foundation was a man named Russell Taylor. Russell and Jared were good friends. They'd known each other for quite a while. So you can imagine what a surprise it was for Jared when Russell's home was raided. Investigators were looking for child porn.

And they found it. for child porn. Hmm. And they found it. Yeah. Jared immediately fired Russell and said how shocked he was by this whole thing. But he wasn't really shocked.

Uh-huh. Yeah. He was probably pissing his pants, though. Yeah, probably. Because what investigators found during their investigation into Russell led them directly to Jared. Oh, man.

I tried real hard to figure out a way how I could do like a he went to Jared joke, but it just couldn't. It didn't. Yeah. I like the effort. Thank you. It was abandoned. Yes. They discovered that Russell sent child porn to jared some of the children in those videos

and photos were as young as six that's so disgusting yep on april 29th 2015 this is the worst it's It's really gross. You've done a child molestation case before, except no actual child molestation took place in it. Yeah, it was a light one. Yeah, it was a lighthearted molestation case. This one's not feeling so lighthearted, Kristen.

No, children were actually harmed in this one. Oh, God. I don't know if I can handle it. There's justice at the end. All right. You know, sometimes I do these cases where justice just doesn't happen. All right. If you're telling me there's a light at the end of the tunnel.

Kind of. I mean, okay. Here we go. On April 29th, 2015, Russell was arrested on charges of child exploitation, voyeurism, and possession of child pornography. The charges against Russell were disgusting. He was accused of secretly filming 12 children between 2011 and 2015 while they were in the bathroom showering and changing clothes. He made more than 400 photos and videos of kids. So at this point, investigators are now

digging deeper into Jared. And they're also digging into the Jared Foundation. Because suddenly, that seems kind of weird. Turns out it kind of sucked as far as charities go. When he started the foundation,

Jared said that it would distribute $2 million to schools and communities in need so that everyone could band together and fight childhood obesity. But the foundation never handed out any money. In fact, from 2009 to 2013, the foundation spent about $73,000 a year. Some of that money went to Russell's salary, and the rest of it is unaccounted for. Wow. Mm-hmm. I'm mentioning this stuff, and it is bad,

but it's like the least bad thing here. Yeah. On top of that, the state of Indiana requires that foundations like Jared's pay an annual $5 registration fee. They never did. Are you kidding me? I know, Brandi. I know it's terrible.

It's disgusting. I just can't even believe that people have the nerve to do those kind of things. So, you know, once the news came out, these two were sent to the chair. So, okay, now we're going to get dark again. Essentially, all the charity really did was arrange for jared to go to schools and talk to kids oh yep so police have russell in custody and about a week after his arrest russell tried to kill himself while he was in jail oh that's not a great sign no um but don't worry. He recovered. He's fine. Do you know how he attempted to?

No. Just curious. I didn't even look into it, honestly. I was just like, I kind of felt, I felt a little conflicted about getting the news that someone like this tried to commit suicide and was fine. And I was just kind of like, meh. Yeah. You know, it feels a little weird to be heartless. Yeah. Yeah. What can I say? I just don't care. was just kind of like, meh. Yeah. You know, it feels a little weird to be heartless. Yeah, yeah. What can I say?

I just don't care. That summer, on July 7th, 2015, the FBI raided Jared's house. A few hours after the raid, Subway announced that they had mutually agreed to suspend their relationship with Jared. Subway said they were shocked by the news. Were they? Well...

I think that we're going to find out that that's not true. So Subway's like, oh my goodness, oh, this is terrible. But a few people, like Subway franchise owner Cindy Mills, were like, really? You're shocked? Been telling you that this guy's a creep? Really? Yes.

So she said that she met Jared at a Subway event, had an affair with him. What? Okay, again, that's like the $5 registration fee. She's an adult. He's an adult. Affairs are adult affairs are bad but they're you know not as bad as child porn yes yes we gotta have like a chart going for this one where we're gonna like limit our outrage she said that she she met Jared at a subway event. Oh my gosh, did you hear that? Yeah. It's nice to meet you.

Oh my god. Do you want a cheese stick? I'm good. Do you want just a bunch of mustard and a veggie sub? Oh my god, I was like, I'm gonna do a mustard squeeze. I don't have any baked potato chips, but I do have some cardboard.

Let me gnaw on that yeah i'll put some black and seasoning on there so she met jared and hold on to your hat brandy i know this is very upsetting they did have an affair now this is not as gross but around that time he did tell her that he'd had sex with kids oh my god he was having sex with them yeah Oh my God. He was having sex with them? Yeah, he's a fucking gross, terrible dude. I thought he was just looking at them. No, no. Oh no, it's so much worse.

He said that, she said that he- Can we pretend that didn't happen? Let's back this train up. I'm sorry, we can't. It's gonna get worse. Oh no. Yeah. I'm sorry. We can't. It's going to get worse. Oh, no. Yeah.

I legit had no idea. You had no idea? He was actually having sex with children. Yeah. This is terrible. Yeah. Ugh. So she says that he told her that he'd had sex with kids in Thailand and in the U.S. He also said, hey, I'd really like to meet your underage cousin.

Ugh. She was super creeped out. She said she told Subway executives about Jared's sexual interest in children in 2008. Ugh. Yeah. And what's it now, 2015? Holy shit. I think it's 2015.

Hang on, let me check. Yep. By the way, his little tour de pants where he went around to kids, that was 2010. Oh, no. She said she told... Tour de pants.

Oh, it's so good. It's not that good. It's so good. do you think the marketing people were like so infatuated with their idea that they were like who cares who cares that he's having sex with kids we came up with this pun we gotta do it she said she told three different executives in subway's advertising group and was basically told, hey, he's not technically an employee, so there's really nothing we can do. At the time,

she says she only talked to the Subway execs. She didn't go to the police because she was afraid of Jared and all his money and power. But after Russell Taylor was arrested, she was like, Jared doesn't seem so scary anymore. So she showed them all the creepy texts that he'd sent her.

And the FBI was like, thank you. We will add this to our very large file on the many ways that Jared is a super creep. Super creep. He's super creepy. Do you think people tune in for the singing? I think they do. It's only a matter of time till we get our record deal. What if we did? I think just out of pure ethics, we'd have to say no. I think just out of pure ethics, we'd have to say no. One of the big things the FBI learned about Jared through this investigation was that not only had he received child porn from his good buddy, Russell, but he also traveled around paying underage sex workers for sex?

He wasn't just giving donations. You know, the newspaper articles had it worded differently. They said paying underage prostitutes, but I know sex workers is like the term. So I was trying to say, but anyway, you get the idea. I got the idea. Yeah, I it? Yeah. I got it. Let me explain it. Uh-huh.

What's sex, Kristen? They discovered that on November 3rd, 2012, he paid for sex with a 17-year-old girl. He did that again with the same girl a few months later. After that first meeting, he texted her to see if she could find another underage girl for him he said he'd accept a 16 year old but said that the younger the girl the better so i'm not going to into any more of this shit there's a lot of it it's all gross you you got i got the picture got it okay oh my gosh can't handle any more of it. It's all gross. You got it. I got the picture. Got it. OK. Oh, my gosh.

Can't handle any more of it. I mean, the worst part is that he had that affair. Am I right? And didn't pay that $5. Didn't pay that $5 registration fee. For how many years? Multiple years. That's upwards of $10. But on August 19th, 2015, they announced that...

Oh, I'm sorry, I skipped a part. Because you distracted me. Back it up. Back it up. At this point, it's late August, and prosecutors are feeling pretty damn good. They have more than enough to feel good about going to trial. Yeah. But on August 19th, 2015,

they announced that Jared Fogle had agreed to plead guilty to paying for sex acts with minors and receiving child pornography. So under the agreement, prosecutors said, Hey, you're going to have to pay $1.4 million in restitution to 14 victims. So everyone gets 100,000 dollars you're going to have to be registered as a sex offender forever

yeah you have to seek treatment you can't have any form of contact with children unless it's approved by your probation officer because he has children doesn't he

he has two children no yeah also we'll search that was a really unattractive noise um it's deserved also we'll search. That was a really unattractive noise. It's deserved.

Also, we'll search you whenever we want. We'll monitor your computer, telephone, electronics, whatever, whenever we want. Maybe we'll do it all the time. Maybe we'll do it when we feel like it. Maybe we'll do it on a Tuesday. That's just your life from now on. You agree to all this and we won't ask for more than 12 and a half years in prison. But your attorney can't ask for less than five.

Okay. The same day the plea deal was announced, Jared's wife, Katie, released a statement to the media. It read, Obviously, I am extremely shocked and disappointed by the recent developments involving Jared. I am in the process of seeking a dissolution of my marriage, of the marriage. Boy, here we go. My focus is exclusively on the well-being of my children. I feel bad for her.

I feel horrible for her. I'm sure she had no idea. No. There's no way she had any idea. And you're about to feel worse for her later. Oh, no. A little while later, Subway was like, we're not affiliated with him anymore.

Please continue to eat our sandwiches. Uh-huh. I'm sure. Did their sales fall? I'm sure they did. Where's that statistic? You want me to make it up? Yeah, please.

So immediately after this happened, all the people who are against child exploitation and child porn, which, you know, is roughly 20%. Oh, God. Hey, you asked me to make stuff up yeah i think for sure well don't you remember so after this all came out then subway started to do a campaign where it was yeah it was like we love children still eat here but not like jared does no i remember seeing billboards that were like really emphasized that subway is owned by these different franchisees. So it's, oh, it's like a local business. Hey, pay no attention to what happened. You know.

Yeah, that does sound familiar. Meanwhile, Russell Taylor is like, hmm, a plea deal? Sign me up. So in September of 2015, he pled guilty. So Russell is awaiting sentencing, and now it's November 19th, 2015. Jared pled guilty. He officially accepted that plea deal. His sentencing lasted five hours. Wow.

Forensic psychiatrist John Bradford testified in Jared's defense. He said that Jared had a compulsive eating disorder and that that didn't just go away. He just replaced it with hypersexuality and mild pedophilia. Mild? Yeah. I don't think you get to put mild in front of pedophilia. Why? I think any form of pedophilia cannot be considered mild so i completely agree and you're gonna love what comes next so judge tanya walton pratt said there's no such thing as being a mild pedophile she also said that's not a diagnosis yeah um so some people later said that the guy meant that jared wasn't attracted to

super young kids but yeah a kid's a kid i don't fucking care yeah that's nasty nasty uh courtney curtis was the mario county mario county prosecutor special victims team division she was the luigi county stop it and she said you are either a pedophile or you aren't it's not something you can dabble in agreed yes jared also spoke he said he wanted to become a good honest person i want to redeem my life oh he said good fucking luck yeah i mean i think you could like perform some miracles and you're not gonna redeem yourself yeah yeah no you're done you're done you got like the luckiest hand ever in life when you became a millionaire because you ate subway sandwiches and you abused that. No. Holy shit. So just, you know, in accordance with their deal,

I'm so sorry, you look... It's terrible. I know, I know. The prosecution asked for 12 and a half years, just like they said they would. The defense asked for five, just like they said they would. And the judge gave him, what do you think? I don't know.

I bet more than 12. 15 years and eight months. Turns out she's one of those people who just doesn't like pedophiles. She was like, you're going to have to serve at least 13 years before you're eligible for parole. Also, that $1.4 million isn't enough. I'm fining you $175,000, plus you have to forfeit $50,000 in assets. Jared was stunned.

He was like, whoa, whoa, judge. I asked for five years. You accidentally multiplied that by three. Also, please note, my pedophilia was only mild it was nothing to worry about really so on december 14th 2015 he appealed on the grounds that his sentence was even longer than what prosecutors had recommended but the-hmm. But the U.S. Attorney's Office came forward and they were like, mm, how about you don't

reduce his sentence? Because this is just a reminder, he's a super creep. Yeah. Even more of his old texts came out. In one, he said that he craves

14-year-old Asian girls. Oh, God. And in a fun... Stick to potato chips, dude. I'm no kidding. Ugh. do you think that's really true that he was just a compulsive eater and then became i think if he had an addiction and he replaced it with some other something i think that's possible but god wouldn't you rather be fat than be a pedophile? Oh my god! Get yourself some ribs, dude! Oh my gosh!

In a fun, flirty letter that he wrote to a friend while he was in prison, he explained that he wasn't the bad guy here. I'm sorry, what? You ready for this? He wrote, bottom line,

my director of my foundation and friend did some bad stuff and tried to throw me under the bus with him did you not have sex with 15 16 17 year old girls brandy come on he was just thrown under the bus no fuck off fuck off! Fuck right off! Yeah. Oh my gosh. The audacity. I mean, this is... And also, who's writing letters to him? I'm just a mild pedophile. Did you forget? Meanwhile, with

Jared's appeal in the works, Russell was sentenced to 27 years in prison. When he gets out, he'll be on supervised release, and he'll have to register as a sex offender. So now it's March of 2016. Jared is in prison. He's waiting for word on his appeal, and he's out in the prison yard getting some fresh air. And that's when another inmate named Stephen Nigg walked up to Jared, knocked him to the ground, and beat him up.

He gave Jared a bloody nose and scratched his neck. A reporter talked to Jimmy Nigg, who is Stephen's nephew, and Jimmy explained the whole thing. He said, he just can't be around child molesters. He doesn't like them. He can't figure out why you do that to kids. He says, I can't be around child molesters. He doesn't like them. He can't figure out why you do that to kids. He says, I can't be around those people. Obviously, that has nothing to do with court stuff.

I just thought that was it. I love it, yes. So a few months go by. Now it's June of 2016. A federal appeals court looks at Jared's case, and they were like, ha ha ha nice try yeah enjoy prison we're not changing your sentence yeah now it's september and the parents of one of jared's victims file a lawsuit in civil court they alleged personal injury and emotional distress

uh yeah yeah fair enough right yeah jared didn't think so. What? Jared immediately filed a motion of his own. He explained that actually it was the parents who were at fault. I'm sorry. What? Yeah. Listen to this. He said they were to blame for the girl's destructive behaviors. He was like, hey, they fought in front of her. They they fought in front of her they abused alcohol in front of her also they got divorced and you know when you divorce that means the kids have to rotate their living situations they get stressed they get anxious so maybe the parents should shoulder some of the blame here oh my gosh yeah yeah i had trouble figuring out what happened with Oh, gosh. Yeah. Yeah. I had trouble figuring out what happened with this lawsuit.

I believe it was dropped. I don't even think it was settled. A few weeks later, Jared's ex-wife, who now goes by Kathleen McLaughlin, sued Subway. In her lawsuit, she dropped a bombshell. Subway. In her lawsuit, she dropped a bombshell. She was like, you guys knew about this stuff as early as 2004. Yeah.

Her lawsuit said that in 2004, Jared tried to solicit a young girl at a promotional event in Las Vegas. Subway handled that complaint by sending their PR manager to investigate it. Not like a police officer? No, and I have worked in PR. That person has no idea. No, we can tell you don't say this to the media, say

this. I guess you could say, hey, it's bad for our bottom line if you're a pedophile, but good God, no, not the one you send. Wow. Four years later, Subway franchise owner Cindy Mills called to complain about Jared. Talked about her before. She said she talked to Subway's then CEO, Jeff Moody. She was like, hey, he said some really sick stuff to me

about kids. And Jeff allegedly told her, please don't tell me anymore. Don't worry. He has met someone. She's a teacher and he seems to love her very much. And we think she will keep him grounded. That woman was Kathleen.

So she's like obviously feeling super betrayed and super mad because she's saying, Subway knew all about this and they like used me. She told reporters, finding out that your husband and the father of your children is a child predator and knowing that his job involved him visiting schools on a regular basis is devastating. Finding out that Subway did not act upon at least one complaint while continuing to utilize Jared as their spokesperson and facilitate his visits to those hundreds of schools is beyond comprehension. I filed this lawsuit today because I have questions, questions that someday my children will ask me,

and that I imagine the families of the 14 victims are asking. Questions like, what did Subway know? When did they know it? Oh my gosh. So according to her lawsuit, Subway received at least three complaints about Jared. Twice, Subway responded by sending PR people to address the issue. And the other time, Subway said that the issue was not properly escalated or acted upon. Which I would say that applies to all of these instances, but whatever. So the lawsuit accused Subway of negligence, intentional infiction of emotional distress, and a bunch of other stuff.

But a judge threw out Kathleen's lawsuit. The judge essentially said, all these incidents that you're bringing up in your lawsuit, if they did happen, they didn't happen in Indiana. The court lacks jurisdiction here, so I have to throw this out. What? I wasn't able to find anything more on this i don't know if she'll refile i don't know she'll settle or you know maybe she already has okay but that's that's the last i could find on that one okay brandy yes did you forget about jared no i did not okay you're still worried about him still concerned about how that bloody nose is healing not worried about him but i sure haven't forgotten about him okay let's talk about him because this whole time he's been sitting in prison not enjoying it nobody's been eating honey buns honey I heard a news story one time, like, when he got to prison, he was, like, eating a box of honey buns a day.

Well, he should. Yeah. I mean, oh, gross. Why am I saying that? I mean, like. Yeah, live it up, man. No, yeah, that's exactly what that said. Yeah.

Oh, God. But I mean. You're going to make the most of your time in there. Oh, God. That's not what I meant. That's what it sounded like. Yeah. I was like, you're really cheering for Jared. No, I'm not. I That's not what I meant. That's what it sounded like. Yeah. I was like, you're really cheering for Jared.

No, I'm not. I hate him so much. What I mean was, well, yeah, I guess. Yeah. Sounds like you want to be like Jared, Kristen. No. No. I just, yeah.

Okay. Anyway. Good luck backing out of that one I can't I'm just saying like if that's the worst he can do go for it just stay the fuck away from kids very good

yes so you know he's eating his honey buns not liking prison one bit and he decided you know what I've got myself into a bit of a pickle here but i'm gonna get out of it okay by representing myself in court no yes no so in november of 2017 jared went before the same judge who gave him that 15 year sentence you're not gonna believe this but it didn't go great.

Imagine that. Yeah, it's weird. It seems like having a law degree is very helpful. Right. Turns out. He explained that there was a clear error in his earlier case. What was that? Well, see, the court messed it all up, Brandy.

It was just all a big error. He should be free to go now. He claimed that the federal court didn't have jurisdiction to convict him. Also, in another motion that was written by one of his fellow inmates, I guess he was done with his legal team or couldn't afford them. Jared claimed that the court lacked jurisdiction over him because he was a sovereign citizen. Definition on that. Sovereign citizen is someone who believes they are not governed by authorities or subject to laws. Yeah, you can't just say that. What if you believe it very strongly?

And what if you're like a subway spokesperson. I mean, I feel like that's the guy that's like sitting out by the dumpster with his tinfoil hat on saying like, you have no authority over me. I'm a sovereign citizen. That's basically what Jared is right now. Minus the tinfoil, just with a ton of honey bun wrappers. Judge Tanya Walton Pratt was like,

really, dude? She called his legal claim frivolous and said that his argument had no conceivable validity in American law, which I love that. That is like the hardest smackdown ever. Then she sent his creepy, dumb, sandwich-loving ass back to prison

where it belongs. And that, my friends, is the story of Jared from Subway. I hated that. You did it very well, but I didn't care for that one bit. I had no idea that he was actually having sex with children. I thought he was like, had just had pictures and shit. Yeah, he's a total creepy fucking terrible guy i didn't know that he tried to represent himself in court and i wish i would have looked

this up again hang on let me let me look it up right now because there is something funny that i think i forgot to mention oh my god i missed some huge thing what okay in april of 2018 i'm just seeing this headline right now. Jared Fogle is suing the feds for $57 million. Okay, Jared. Holy crap. Hang on. Oh, my God.

May I read to you? Please. This is from USA Today. Former Subway sandwich pitchman Jared Fogle is suing federal authorities and his former attorneys claiming they tricked him into pleading guilty to child porn and sexual misconduct charges that have no basis in laws. He is seeking $57 million. I'm sorry, what? No basis in law? Uh-huh.

In an 18-page civil suit filed March 23rd, blah, blah, blah, Fogel's latest lawsuit, a rambling complaint filed without the aid of an attorney, lumps in similar civil complaints from Frank E. Pate and James N. Fry, two other men who have been serving sentences in the same prison. In a telephone call Friday, Pate offered a quick overview of their claims. Essentially, all three of us are alleging constitutional violations, government overreach, and convictions not based in the law. Pretty sure it's against the law to have sex with minors. Well, that remains to be seen. Okay, here's another good part. Fogel also claims that his former lawyers, prosecutors, and judges coerced him into paying $1.4 million in restitution to 14 victims. Their actions constituted wire fraud, racketeering, and money laundry. Money laundry?

Money laundry? Oh, God. Money laundry? How did I miss that one? I don't know. It seems like your research wasn't very thorough. I guess not. Just kidding.

Yeah, so I guess that judge pissed him off in 2017, told him to go back to jail. And then, yeah, this year he came out with this $57 million. Yeah. I'm going to take a wild guess that that was thrown out. Yeah. Or that he is in the process of getting $57 million from the government. I'm sure. I'm sure any day now that's going to come rolling in.

Hang on. Now I'm paranoid. That you missed something else? Well, yeah. That's embarrassing. Oh I'm paranoid. That you missed something else? Well, yeah. That's embarrassing. Oh, my God. This guy. Okay. I'm just... So now that I'm paranoid that I missed a bunch of stuff,

turns out I did miss, like, the past year. So I'm seeing a headline from March that's like, Ex-Subway pitchmanared fogel seeks release from prison then another one from february jared fogel files motion to have judge removed from his case i think maybe he doesn't like her after all yeah and then uh tits probably aren't big enough yeah anyway jared is jared's a super douche is a super. Yeah, that's what all this comes down to. Yeah. At the end of the day, it all boils down to Jared's a super douche. Yeah.

And what was it? Super creep? Super creep. Yeah. Sorry about that one, folks. I will do a better job Googling next time. It's fine. I don't think you missed any crazy information.

Well, I included that five dollar thing yeah that was the big that was really the turning point i was like really on the fence is he good is he bad i don't know under the bus by this other guy whoa whoa whoa he didn't pay the five dollars not okay yeah so that's the gross oh my gosh i hated that i know but you did a really good job with it but i hated the i just really hated that yeah i have like a bad taste in my mouth now let's go get some subway oh gross oh you know so does it keep you from wanting to eat subway well here's the thing i'm not a sandwich person really never really liked subway yeah and now i'm like on principle i will not eat at subway but it's really convenient because i think their food is disgusting yeah i'm not a huge sandwich person person okay put an extra letter in there but But not on these same lines, but I have a sandwich

place I will not eat at. I won't eat at Jimmy John's. I actually love Jimmy John's. Won't eat there because the CEO of Jimmy John's is a prize hunter. Really? Yeah. He kills big game. Yeah. Oh, come on. Like elephants and tigers and shit how gross it's horrible yeah yeah so i can't eat there now well if i have to choose between someone who hunts i guess i'd rather them yeah neither place is good i guess i'll have to eat at good sense ew this is zach's favorite really zach loves good sense i think that's a local thing i don't know yeah it's every yeah it's a sub sandwich place yeah submarine sandwiches what does he like to order there uh he orders the good sense original standard dress plus mayo and something else onion i don't think standard dress comes with onion he likes a

ton of onions what he says is you know that amount of lettuce you would usually put on there uh-huh put that much onion on it ew he loves onions on it and i can't even be in the house when he eats it because it smells so bad i don't like onions so oh my god yeah i bet he smells like an onion yeah i make him like brush his teeth as soon as he finishes eating it you know i'm one of those people who even after i brush my teeth it's like it comes out of my pores yeah and norman does this really embarrassing thing to me like where he'll come up to me yeah and like we'll hug and then he'll say you you had a Caesar salad today. He just knows. It's so embarrassing. So weird.

Yeah. Yeah. So we've got a Christmas special episode coming up. We do. And I was going to talk to you about this, but I guess we can just let people in on our brilliant process. Should we release that early? Well, I thought maybe we would do like a little Christmas treat and just release the episode a day early and let it come out on Christmas.

Okay. I like that. What do you think about that? Yeah, I think that's good. Okay. So. So typically it wouldn't come out till the 26th. Well, our gift to you is that the next episode will come out on Christmas Day.

Yeah. Yeah. And it'll be a Christmas theme. And make sure that you don't spend time with your family on the holidays. Just like go to your room alone and listen to us for like two hours. Or like when you're making, you know, that delicious Christmas breakfast for your family. Listen to our stories of murder and mayhem. I did get a warning email from like one of the podcast providers who was like, oh, you know gonna be short-staffed so bottom line all we can

tell you guys is on our end we will put it out yeah on the 25th okay it'll be out there hopefully you'll be able to access it at the very least it will be on our website right which is lgtcpodcast.com that's correct you'll see our beautiful faces on there smiling at you and you'll be like, I didn't know they looked like that. Yeah, I'm really disappointed. I can't listen anymore. So yeah, so join us for our Christmas episode. It's gonna be a good time. What else you got for our listeners there, Kristen? What else do I have? This is a little embarrassing, but I'm just gonna throw it out there. So my sister told me and Norm, we need to start watching Jersey Shore Family Vacation. You admitted that you also watched that show. I'm not embarrassed by it one bit.

Fucking love it. Norman and I are into it. Yeah. They're just entertaining people. So we got into a bit of an argument about it the other day, Kristen. We did. Yeah.

Kristen texts me because she and Norman were having a heated debate over. We were throwing stuff. We were, who is the best cast member? And my answer was simple. It was easy. I didn't even have to think about it. Polly D hands down the best.

What, what'd you norm say okay so norman said polly d uh-huh although see we had trouble with it because we like a lot of the characters i love all of them yeah i don't know i love all of them no i don't love all of them yeah i love most of them yeah yeah he ultimately went with polly d yeah snooki i'm a big i do love i love snooki i also love polly d though yeah and i love vinny well yeah i love vinny too yeah it is it is real tight but see okay so you said snooki norm said polly d i i said polly d and then i asked zach and he said polly d he keeps it all together he kind of does he does that's just it he's not that much better than everybody else but he just kind of keeps everything together yeah because he's not the one starting drama no he usually he's like yeah he's so focused

on that hair yeah he doesn't have time for drama yeah so kristen couldn't believe he still had oh my god i was the blowout all these years later and i said what like he's gonna cut it and lose all his guido powers absolutely not i am shocked giving what given what you do for a living that you're not more bothered by that hair what other hair could he rock nothing he's a handsome guy he is he's a good-looking guy yeah he could do anything else with that hair yeah but he's like it's like his hair's like trademarked now he loses the hair he loses the identity then he's just paul del vecchio how do you know his i don't know i'm not sure if that's his last name i think it is i'm not positive here's how into it i've gotten lately yeah

i looked up all of their net worth uh-huh who do you think is the wealthiest yeah let's play this game hang on jwoww that was my guess too that's oh well polly d because of his he tours yeah yeah so polly d by far this is according to cosmo yeah million dollars the other thing norman said was he feels like polly d might have had money before he was on the cast? He could have. Because he was like 29 when he joined. Yeah. Who do you think was number two? Ooh. Snooks. Yep. Yeah.

Number three? I would have guessed Mike, but his money wasn't legit. Yeah, he had some trouble with the feds. He's going to prison now. He's going to prison, yeah. Eight months. You know, maybe we should do a reality TV thing. We could. That'd be good. He's going to prison now. He's going to prison, yeah. Eight months. You know, maybe we should do a reality TV thing. We could.

That'd be good. That'd be a good idea. Yeah. See, we're tying it back in. You guys are wondering what the fuck we're doing talking about Jersey Shore right now. We're doing it all to lead up to a court case. You know what?

I kind of like forgot we were recording. Oh, Lord. This is a bad thing like i get so comfortable okay well yeah now who's number three you gotta tell us the well now i need to apologize to people because i feel like you know yeah they don't probably give a shit about the jersey shore no but we can't leave them hanging you gotta give them the order now number three is vinny okay with three million yeah jwoww also is at three million but for some reason they have her lower yeah then we got ronnie they're also saying he's at three million too they can't all no ronnie can't what's ronnie doing ronnie doesn't have a line probably they're making that from the show that's probably their their. Yeah, but JWoww has that tanning stuff. I don't know.

Oh, wait. Ronnie's done some spinoffs, I guess. Okay, then we've got Sammy Sweetheart. I'm not a fan. Yeah, she's the one I don't like. Ron, stop. Okay, I've gotten good. You ready?

Yeah. Ron. Ron, stop. I love you. I want to know what we are all i want to know is who wrote the note who wrote the fucking note okay it starts to sound kind of minnesota but you get the idea then we've got angelina oh i kind of i'm a fan not a fan she's warming her way back in. She's fun to watch on the show. Yeah. And then we got Dina.

Yeah. And then we got Mike. You know. You know. Yeah. Situation. Oh, God. Thank you for hanging.

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