librarypunk - 009 - Movie time

Episode Date: April 22, 2021

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I'm trying to get my levels on the level. So... I think they're just making it worse so they can charge me for a bigger package or something. You know, a big package is sometimes worth it on the upside. Hey, thanks. joke. Gonna get that 10

gigabyte dick. Yeah. I don't know why that's so funny to me, but it is. Because any dick joke is funny. That's true. I mean, it renders more quickly.

Well, that's the upload speed, I think. Yeah. You always got to check that bottom number. Yeah, but it doesn't have to buffer as long. And like bottom top numbers. Like, what if you get two bottom numbers and it just doesn't work? I was just been saying you should always check on your bottom numbers. Exactly.

Okay, now we're queering it. I like this. This is a queer-friendly podcast. I would hope so. Yeah. It's not until... No, we're a very homophobic podcast. We have gay people on here and we are very homophobic.

I mean, Dan Savage exists. Yeah, exactly. Sometimes I like him and then sometimes I hate him. Yeah. He's pretty solidly fucking canceled. Yeah. I used to really love Dan Savage, and then I really started to hate Dan Savage. It's one of those things where some of his writing I do like.

Yeah. Yeah. He's like, he's got bad opinions. Yeah, it was the bisexual thing that finally, finally killed it for me. Anyway, he's trash. All right. So just saying. Yeah.

So I did end up emailing the anime podcast. Yes. To promote library punk in their ad slot. That's hilarious. We're going to get some weird shit soon. It'll be funny. It'll be funny having them trying to explain it to a bunch. I mean, I'm mostly, because it's only like 20 bucks right now.

And I'm trying to jump in before they up the price. Because they're pretty well-known podcast. And there's these librarians and they talk about communism. Just library stuff. Yeah. I don't watch shit. I really don't either. I watch a lot of things.

I've watched that fun new, the docu-series on Netflix about the art heist at the Gardner Museum in Boston. And that was very fun. Yeah, that's a good museum. Good heist. Yeah. Really good heist. So good heist. Such a good hike.

Like the best one. No. Wait, what is this? I want to write this down. They stole 13 paintings from the Gardner Museum. 13 works of art. They weren't all paintings. Some of them were drawing.

Paintings, right? Because the one was like a Chinese vase. There was a Chinese vase, a finial and several drawings. Yeah. Anyway, I'm a stick with for that shit. Sorry. I'm a real punisher. And is it on Netflix?

Yes, the docuseries is called This is a Robbery. But it's big because like a lot of the stuff was like Rubens or Rembrandts. It was Rembrandt Vermeer. It was mostly Dutch. It was mostly Dutch. And then there was also, I think someone French, there was a small French painting. But yeah, it was really good. There's also a podcast.

The Rimbant is like. Oh yeah, it's a sea page. It's the only one. Yeah, his only one. that he ever did and they got stolen and they will probably never find out where it is.

Yeah, because they basically figure out who did it, but like... Yeah, and they're all dead now. Yeah. I mean,

it'll end up on a Saudi prince's yacht. I mean, there's no guessing where it will end up. It's just, you know, which Saudi prince. They think it was more of an Italian mafia thing and they're waiting

for like one guy to die basically. Sorry, I'm spoiling everything. Spoiling. Just the Boston Italian mob. Yeah. Spoilies. There's like one guy they're waiting to die and they think like if he dies, they'll figure it out.

But I don't think they will. I think they just burnt them. The cops. Because also like I kind of don't want them to solve it because fuck the cops. My favorite person in the entire documentary is, I think his name was Miles something. And he was like the notorious art thief. Oh yeah. Miles is a car.

Yeah. Yes. I like. So there's a podcast they did on, there's a podcast they did on the heist a few years ago called Empty Frames. And I think they talked a lot about O'Connor during that. I slept through a lot of, I kind of listened to a lot of podcasts and process a lot of information in and out of my head.

So I could not tell you how this compares, but I think the documentary works a lot better than the podcast did. Because you can see things. Yeah, yeah, it makes a lot of sense when you're talking about fucking art to be able to see it, you know. Yeah, and then also, like to be able to see people's faces and figure out who they are. Because like everyone fucking sounds the same to me. Like they all sound like, I don't know, a bunch of fucking Boston people, like rich fucking people from Boston. St. from the Gardner.

Yeah. On St. Patty's Day. Yeah, so like they just all sound like fun to fucking Neanderthals. And so I was just trying to figure out who was who and I could not figure out who was speaking. So being able to like see people makes a big difference for me to figure out who's actually talking and what the story is. So yeah, the documentary works better than the podcast did. And then yeah, also great museum. Recommend going to see the museum.

I prefer the museum. It's very fun. And what they say in the documentary about the comparing the museum, so I've also been to the MFA. I do think that the gardener is better than the MFA. It's a better museum. It's like a whole spatial experience because the house was curated to be a museum. Aesthetically, don't like how crowded some of the stuff is. And I don't like that some of its prints.

Yeah, well, it's parlor style. Like I get it. I like a big, yeah, yeah. I went because I love all the sergeants. Yeah. It's designed to be like some of the stuff. I liked the Dutch room. Yeah.

Yeah. So it's designed to be a European partner. Yeah. It's like the smaller rooms where it's very cramped I didn't like. Yeah. Which I like that in a museum because it reminds me of. Yes. Hi, Peter.

Was that a sound bite of Peter? I was just testing if I could mute myself in my voice mod, but also still play drops. Yeah. I have a preference for the MFA just because they have the entire sergeant room. and that's what I care about is just the sergeants. And like in the sergeant room, they have that one. The artist who did Obama's presidential portrait, they have one of his portraits in there that's like in conversation

with the sergeant portraits and it's very fun. So, yeah. This is I'm a John Singer sergeant fan. I'm glad none of those were stolen in the art heist. I would be very sad. Yeah, why the fuck would you still get shit anyway? Sergeant sucks. I just wanted to start a beef.

I just want to start a beef with jazz. Oh, art beef. Unofficial library punk beef. Over Boston art museums. Over art in general. I cannot believe we finally get to talk about movies and it be okay. On purpose. We're talking about movies on purpose, sort of.

Movies and media, because I don't watch that many movies, so I threw in stuff about comics. Yeah. Whoever put girls with slingshots, that's exactly what I was thinking about. I had merged questionable content and girls with slingshots in my head. Yeah, I forgot that she was a librarian eventually. The Domitrix. Yeah, because she worked in a porn store and called herself a librarian for a long time.

Yeah. And then eventually she met one of the characters' moms as a librarian. Yeah. And she gets a job in the library. Yeah, like, yeah. I remember that. Isn't there a dominatrix library? Some there?

Somewhere. She had long hair. I thought you were talking about like the actual Cyberdom who has an MLIS who they profiled on what's that show that's canceled now. It was a podcast with the guys. Moller she wrote. It was reply all. They profiled a cyberdom who had an MLIS. So I thought that's canceled as in this podcast no longer happened.

or... Canceled as in... Some shit. Like, cancelled. Like, labor violation, kind of bad workplace. Yeah, there was some union stuff. Yeah, union stuff going on. I never really listened to them.

I know they were popular. Yeah, I know if they've heard good things about a few of the episodes. Yeah, they had some good episodes, including one about a cyberdome who had an MLIS. So that's what I thought you were talking about. I feel like the sexy librarian has merged into the like dominatrix librarian. Like I said I just like, uh, I'm with the, it's like Fimdom shit now. It's the mean, it's the mean librarian combined with the sexy librarian. Oh yeah.

It's definitely, it's definitely getting off on being withholding for sure. Yeah. You know what I think about John Singer-Sargent? He can suck on a 10-gigabyte dick. I can go buy one. That's the perk about being trans. I can choose how big mine is. 10 gig, 20 gig, whatever you want.

John Singer, sorry to. He still has that big dick. That'll be a bigger slut than Bernie Sanders. Big nerd slot. Exactly. We don't need to do introductions. It's just us. Yeah.

People don't know a spy out by now. It's the library punk. It's the library punk fam tonight. Yeah. Yeah. You don't notice by now, fuck off. I'm back. Hooray.

Yeah, welcome back, Jay. Unless you're here from the ad I paid money for, in which case, hello. But also listen to the other episode, maybe. Just pick one where we have a guest. I'm sure we'll introduce ourselves there. Yeah. Yeah, so I did some reading for this trope's discussion, and there are, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven main ones.

I want to introduce the listener to them. So the common tropes, and then we'll talk about variations and combinations, but the common tropes are the old maid, the policeman, who is generally like an academic librarian, a British man, the inept librarian, which is not really well defined in what I was reading. The librarian is parody, so librarians like making fun of any of the other tropes, which kind of, I feel like is similar to inept. the heroine, which is either like the hero of the story is a librarian in some way as like an unsuspecting hero or just like the shit that libraries have been doing recently where they're trying to play off

the Marvel shit, which I hate. I also hate the use of the word hero in like everyday life. I think it's like it's a authoritarian way of valorizing day-to-day life for sacrifice for the country. So I don't like using it at work either. I've made that argument at work. I've been like, no, we can't call them textbook heroes.

No, I'm not using that. It's fascist creep. That's like the heroes work here outside of like grocery stores and stuff because of COVID. And then they don't fucking pay them shit. I'm like, oh, if they're heroes, give them the money. It's called fucking remuneration, bitch. Yeah. Yeah, the opposite side of hero is you die.

Arthur, you're going to come say hi on the podcast? Yeah. Arthur has, has, Arthur has joined the chat. I almost like made the cat noise like out of sheer habit when you like here. Yeah. Yeah.

See, that doesn't work with Arthur. That doesn't mean I'm not going to make that fucking sound. Damn boy. Thick boss, that's a sick-ass boy. What the fuck is that from? How old did you get that? It's on TikTok. It's only TikTok sound bites.

You're a TikTok teen now? Or you're one of those TikTok millennials that like you get, you get the like, they figure out you're like near 30. I put it in my bio so they stay away. On either side. And it's like, hi, you're a millennial on TikTok. Here's some things you need to know. And we're going to make jokes.

I'm like, okay. No, I just upload bunny videos. That's all that people want. I got tarot cards today. I'm thinking of ripping off someone else's thing of just having the bunnies pull the tarot card. I love that. But I got Welcome to Nightville tarot cards. That's a vibe.

Yeah, there you go. The librarians, there's in that. Oh, yeah. They're like the evil monster librarians that are like shapeless and formless. And we know, at least I haven't listened in years, but I don't think you ever find out what the librarians are. I think recently one of them talked. I went to... I heard of the library director was like interviewed or something.

It was like a director who's like a normal dude or something. I went to one of the live shows, but it was the like all-seeing cloud. Oh, yeah. That's a good one. Yeah. So that was fun. But yeah, no, I love the Nightbale librarians. Yeah.

Two more tropes. The sexy librarian and the fun and helpful librarian. The fun and helpful librarian. librarian, I feel like, is just kind of stupid as a trope. Because, like... Is that the Harry Potter librarians where it's like, just read another book? It's just like so fucking hokey. Like, oh, I'll teach you how to read.

Like, I teach kids that. I'm wearing a cardigan. Yeah. Yeah. But it's fun. Is it the quirky librarian? Is that what that is? It doesn't even go that far.

I feel like, like, that kind of stuff is like within library tropes of library. And then this is just us trying to be like, no, we really are fun and helpful. But like, do you. Yeah, it's a librarian created trope. Yeah, it's like the, oh, we're creative. Like, look at our book display. How fun is that? It's got, I'm wearing a Hawaiian shirt.

How fun is that? Like, I remember reading an article about catalogers when I was in, I took it, when I took my cataloging class and it was basically like, catalogers can be fun too. No, they can't. Yeah. No. Actually. I know.

I actually. I've cataloged in years. I actually do really respect the work of catalogers. I have actually a lot of great cataloging friends. Catalogers rule. Yeah. Actually, they really. Catalogers fuck, if I may say.

I mean, I don't mean to brag. But anyway. But that, like the fact that they. there was an academic article that I read for a class that was like, catalogers are cool. Like, that's the least cool thing. And catalogers are better than that. You don't need an article like that because, like, if you just exist as you are, we all know you fuck. Okay. Like, get over it. Just make our labor not invisible and that is all we need to do. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like, if you know, you know. But, like, the way to make people's labor not invisible is to, you know,

promote it in the profession and, you know, things like that. And not put it on Hawaiian shirts. Yeah, not like, be like, hey, we won our workplace's costume contest during Spirit Week this year. Jerk me off. With my 10 gigabit dick. Exactly. John Singer Sergeant has entered the chat. I'm never going to be able to.

Never going to be able to look at a painting again. I haven't told you what I do in art museums today. Oh, you do the art butts? Yeah, I take pictures of asses. I love the art butts. Yeah. I've been, anyway, Instagram's been like a good outlet for art asses lately, just passing it on.

Wait, when have you been doing this? Like, for several years, for at least three years, I've been taking pictures of asses and art. And that's also why I argue that. that Rothko sucks because there are no asses in his art. Just want to put that out there. Worse than assless apps. You gotta use your imagination.

Yeah. No, no. It's like, it's fucking terrible. No asses. Not even in the abstract. Just zero booty factor. I like Rothko. I do too. Rothko has zero ass factor. Like Clifford still, ass factor. Rothko, no ass factor.

Kline, ass factor. De Koonig, ass factor. Rothko, no ass factor. Pollock, no ass factor. Yeah, I agree with that one. I even love Pollock, but no ass. Lee Krasner, ass factor. Damn.

So, yeah, so we've gone through the tropes. I'm trying to, like, I did not realize, like, because, like, the one that, like, policeman, the one, that one surprised me, because, like, that's Giles from Buffet, right? which I actually have never really watched Buffy. I've seen a few episodes. So I know about Giles, right?

But it's like, that's a very common, like, I've seen more than one where it's like a librarian who's basically just an English professor, but a librarian. And it's always like the classy British dude. I didn't know that that's what that trope was called. So if it's a question, if it's a, sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt, but. No, you're fine. Vengeance, bitch.

Sorry. We're going to start a feud. Yeah. But so like if it's an English guy and it's a policeman, would that make it a Bobby? I really wish we recorded video. Carrie has just really cracked yourself up. It could be a Bobby. Could be a coppa.

A coppa. Could be a fat-nosed gaza. Can we just call it by the universe? old pig. Yeah. The pig librarian. Which like, why is it like the like not English professor librarian? Why is that the policeman just because authority figure and he's strict?

It goes back to academic librarians and like Harvard, I guess, who like. Of course it's fucking Harvard. We're like basically didn't allow people to use the collections. Like they're just like, it's all mine. And that kind of, that's how the tropes spread. the book hoarders. That's like kind of a thing. Also, kind of an old English trope was the librarian tended to be someone that was like a wayward faculty member that like they kind of didn't want to tolerate. So they would often toss them in the library to take care of the books. Hence that might be

some of where that that male cop attitude came from. Also in like in discussing like gender variation in the profession and like what male library. library roles tended to be versus what female library roles tended to be, which is that male library roles tended to be in administration, which were these more like, you know, academic, like, executive style positions, which is female versus female roles tended to be more public-facing sorts of roles as well, which might have some of that pigginess, maybe where some of that comes from. Yeah. And like, because like in the tropes for that one, it's normally like the, the, the, the British, the Giles, is normally a solo librarian.

I feel, or it's like maybe not even like a proper library sometimes. It's just like books happen in the general vicinity. And so they say they're a librarian, but it's more just like this is a person who takes care of books that no one reads. Or would that be like a more of a gatekeeper? Yeah, like a very cheap imitation of like what people assume special collections is probably. Like that's what normally like I view the like the Giles as is like solo librarian. Yeah.

And like a zero fails bookstore. Yeah. Like he's not a librarian. He never sells the books. Yeah. He doesn't sell his books, right? It would like the beast from Beauty and the Beast be like a cop librarian? Because he like has all those fucking books in his castle.

No, he's the sexy librarian. He is not sexy. His transformation was the most. a pointing part of that movie. And we all know that. Beast has that big dick. Beast is very sexy. Prince Adam. What the fuck.

You know his name. Go back. I want the hot beast. In the French film, I think she even is like sad that he transforms it. She likes the beast. Yeah, I still don't need to see it. Sexual awakenings.

It's like when you're not a furry butt, you know. It's more. monster fucker territory. Exactly. Loud and proud, baby. But there's also something interesting. I thought Carrie was going to bring this up with the gender stuff is maybe

male librarians tend to do the cop roll more because they're insecure about being in a female dominated profession. Oh, yeah, probably. Or they're over secure. Yeah. I was just about to say, I feel like that would be like, they overshot the mark on that one instead of being insecure, they're, yeah, over-secure. Or they're just like, yet no-it-alls.

Yeah. Especially because so many of them are in, you know, fucking administration positions and stuff. It's like... Yeah, they're glass escalator. You're automatically authoritarian just because you're a male in library, which fucking sucks. Yeah, and like the, in the trope examples,

like, again, because it's the more professorial stereotype that comes with this assumption of all this, knowledge. Like, not only do they take care of the books, they're the stereotype of the librarian who knows everything, but it's still clueless about the actual world. And that's a good point, like, with all of these, that that's the only one where the knowledge is assumed. Like, the rest of them, like the sexy librarian and the old maid, like the only one who actually has the knowledge built into the trope is the dude. Is the cop. Is the cop. Yeah. What the fuck? Well, and I think this also kind of like kind of back to what I was previously saying I think this type of librarian dates back to

before the professionalization of the field which um which is like when the field became more gendered because it was previously like a man's job before it became a feminized profession uh because of you know he who we do not the person with the name who's a piece of shit named Melville Dewey um was the one who was... Yeah. Fuck you. Fuck you, Harley Jarvis. Cotton, you know,

call number is my license plate, but, you know, it's for literature nerd reasons, so... Yeah. I'd be real dumb if you had a dewey decimal tattoo. No, no. It's just...

Fuck you. C-Nero A-X, for Cotton Nero A-X, which is the Gawa in manuscript in the British Library. Because the cotton system is really fun. Anyway, I'll talk about it in another episode unless people want me to talk about it. It's very fun.

No, we're talking tropes. Troops, yeah. Yeah. I did see the end of Party Girl because I didn't have enough time. I just found it was on Amazon. And there's like two that are named Party Girl, but this is the 1995 one, right? There are like three movies called Parker Posey. Right.

You want to watch the one with Parker Posey. Yeah. So I saw the end of it where there's like the big party that her friends, there were a surprise party birthday party. And she's trying to get her job back. So she invited her old boss slash godmother over. Oh, that's fun. And then it's like, oh, every, like all her degenerate friends are there.

Like one friend keeps like, she's like, everyone leave. And then the one friend is like, are you an alcoholic? What do you want? Like, won't believe that she, like, wants everyone to leave. It's like trying to do an intervention. And then the rest of them are like, come on, man. We go just come on. And then her, they show up and the old boss shows up.

And then the stripper shows up, a police man stripper and, like, pretends to arrest her. And then she's like, while she's getting danced on, she's like, I want my job back. I want to go to grad school. I want it to be my life. And then everyone's like, yeah, she helped me out. then the party happens. I see in a party girl. I couldn't quite figure out

what trope she's supposed to be though except of because she kind of like dives in, like her outfit in the main scene at the end is like she tries to look very buttoned up. Cardigan librarian. Yeah, so having actually seen the movie

and it's been a few years but like the main actual librarian character of the movie is the god mother because Parker Posey's like an irresponsible party girl in New York who needs a job and her I guess her mom hooks her up with the job with the godmother at the library and basically like she gets schooled by the godmother like the godmother is like a very like tough love kind of library and like you're going to learn things you're going to stamp books and you're going to

shelve shit and like one night Parker Posey leaves the windows open at the library and the books get wet um but she actually like ends up learning a lot from the job and helps all her friends out by doing shelving like yeah yeah yeah pagein that's where you start yeah i'm not mad at about this so far i'm like okay yeah it's actually like a really great movie about library work like you know get a volunteer when you're a student get a student job or something and then like you yeah and then you end up like helping people and you're like whoa this kind of bucks like helping people like this actually is kind of rad and like kind of like a goodhearted kind of movie like about a career story actually want to watch this now yeah like heard about it you know

also you also fucking parker posey is illuminating um i adore her in so many movies waiting for guffman best in show she's electric in you know so many christopher projects, which are those three, House of Yes. Yeah, she's been in a lot of great things. One of my favorite actresses, really. She was someone who, like, I didn't, like, I'd heard that name, but I couldn't put a name to the face.

Did you just do New York-based party movies? No. She's got a very... Yeah, no. House of Yes was not a New York-based party movie. Oh, it was a club in New York called House of Yes, I think. It seems like she's got a very varied. It seems like she has a very large range.

Waiting for Guffman is set in Missouri, in rural Missouri about the greatest fake musical that ever was. It's one of my favorite movies ever. So what trope is Party Girl before we move on? Yeah, it's hard to place like the main librarian character in that one. I would say she's like kind of the old maid kind of stuck up librarian. She's very competent, but she's definitely like more of an old maid sort of character. Because you can't be a competent woman unless you're a bitch, right? Oh yeah, she's a real bitch.

Which means I would probably love her. Oh, yeah. She's great. Yeah. Well, also part of the old maid. She's real bitter too. She's real bitter too. It's not just that they're not married.

It's that they're so obsessed with their jobs. They never get married. Yeah. So the competence is kind of built in sometimes. Wait, don't talk about me like that, man. No, never mind. I don't care about it. I'm not that married to my job.

Yeah. I'm not married either. And, you know, no one's called me an old maid yet. Yet. Old maid librarian. I can call you an old maid right now. Would that make you happy, Justin? Just hope it doesn't awaken anything in me.

I do. Justin shows up to the podcast next week wearing a French maid uniform. Hell yeah. I'm here for that. So, yeah. And then what would Parker Posey be? this. Like, is she, like, not a librarian yet? She's definitely fun.

Fun. Okay. She's a party girl. She's fun and helpful. She's a party girl. She's not like a regular mom. She's a cool mom. Don't forget I still have the man to woman voice.

Yes, you do. I remember that. And I'm also moving my speech away from the back of the throat towards the nasal. I've talked about. Yes. My young Patowna. So it's more convincing, I think. Exactly. Resonance.

Yeah. All right. So we've done Party Girl. You know, I've never actually seen, I see the next one that says Music Man. I've never actually seen Music Man. I just know that, is it 76 trombones? That one's fun. And then that starts with T and that rhymes with P and that Santer Pool. That song's great.

And I know there was a thing in the Simpsons episode and that my boyfriend showed me, like a Simpsons episode that had a Music Man thing. in it. And that's all you know about the music man. Talking about Monorail? Monorail, yeah. Conan O'Brien wrote that episode. Yeah. Oh, that makes sense.

That was a very fun episode. I really liked it. I've liked all the episodes he showed me, though. One of the best appearance of Elon Musk. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Lyle Landl.

It was good. Yeah. I know nothing about the music man, except there's a librarian in it. And, you know, that starts with tea and it rhymes the piano. It stands for pool.

That's like what I know about the music man. I thought you would know more, Jay, with your evil twink energy. I'm disappointed. I, I am not actually like a, like, I don't like,

there's a few musicals I like. Like, I like, yeah. I can't even like, like, like, I like Sonheim.

I'm an opera person. I'm not really, like, like, musicals. I just like, I don't, especially like,

the poppy. broad. I like cats and I like Jesus Christ Superstar. You like Andrew Lloyd Weber. I like those a lot. Yeah. Because Andrew Lloyd-Rubber basically really I hate Rogers and Hammerstein. Yeah. Andrew Loverberber because I do not like Rogers and, yeah.

I don't like Rogers and Hammerstein except for the first act of carousel. And then like Gilbert and Sullivan are like operas. It's other either. I know a lot about theater. I just don't like, like, I haven't watched a lot of, like, I haven't seen the music man, but I like know of it. And I know, like, that song slaps. And I know there's a librarian in it. And like, it's like, I could recognize a parody when it was in The Simpsons.

Like, I knew that much. It's like how people keep, like, bringing up scholars in your field and you never read them. So, like, you know, I know, like, people keep mentioning like Friedrich Jameson or like, I actually have read Foucault, but like I can imagine someone being like, well, you know, it's Foucault. co-said, because just people talk about Foucault so much. I feel like I know a lot about, um, oh, not, not Derrida. Who's the other one? Oh, um. Deleuze.

I feel like I know a lot about Deleuze because my best friends really into Deleuze, but I've never read any Deleuze. I don't make fucking claims about shit. I don't know shit about like I've never had dinner at Red Lobster. So I'm not going to tell you about the food at Red Lobster, you know? Like insane. I've never been to Olive Garden. I've had pasta before, but I can't tell you about the food of fucking Olive Garden.

So I'm not going to fucking front on that shit. Just saying, you're not going to get me pretending. I was just comparing it to Jay's knowledge of things that he hasn't seen. Yeah. Well, I have it. So I put it on there hoping that someone had seen it and would know how to identify this trope. Do none of us know about the music man? Because I haven't seen it either.

I haven't, yeah, I know there's a librarian in it. And I know that too. But it's where Mary and the librarian comes from. Right, right, yeah. And I can talk about all day about It's a Wonderful Life one because it's one of my favorite movies and I watch it every single Christmas. Like, I don't care what else is happening. I'm like, if I'm going to a party, I'm like, well, I only go if you let me watch It's a Wonderful Life. All right, Dad.

Let Dad go, just go for it with It's a Wonderful Life then. Okay. I'm just going to say it was irresponsible to put in a movie you haven't seen, considering that me and Sadie don't watch movies as much as the rest of you. I don't even know if they made a movie of the music man. I just know it's a musical. They did. There's all kinds of shapoo-y. They did.

I'm pretty sure there is. Oh, yeah. There's definitely. Yeah. No, I feel like my wife has seen it because the only thing I know is the made the librarian deal. And I've heard that before and I probably heard it from them. That's the extent of my knowledge there. But yeah, so it's a wonderful life.

Yeah, It's a Wonderful Life is a Frank Happer film that is a very class-conscious, not overly positive. Like, a lot of people, like, say it's a very sentimental movie, and it is, but I also read this article about it's, like, a very depressing Christmas movie. And, like, it fucking is. Like, it's very depressing. Like, you know, if people haven't seen it, it's a. about this guy named George Bailey and basically he has all these high dreams in life and he always keep sacrificing them for other things and never gets to actually do them and then something shit happens and he almost commits suicide and a guardian angel shows up named Clarence and like gets to show

him what life would be like if he had never been born because like isn't like you know it would just be so much better if I had never been born and so he gets to see what it would be like And this is like the last, you know, act of the film. And the thing with the librarian is that like the girl he grew up with that like he ends up marrying, like, you know, and they have children and everything. Like one of my favorite most romantic scenes in any movie is when they do like the makeshift honeymoon in that old house. And it's, uh, anyway, when he like, he asks Clarence like in this like, what if I'd never been born fantasy? like ask like where she is Clarence is like I don't want to tell you

you don't want to know like it's the worst thing in the entire world and he's like tell me where she she's about to close up the library and it's like this like huge like no and then he finds her and like she looks ugly and has like the glasses

and the hair and she's like all like Hunt like has like the maid librarian outfit and she looks like Adrian from the first Rocky movie and it's like she's like Like, let go with me!

But yeah, it's like, I laugh every single year that I watch it. But that's like the huge moment of the, if I had never been born, sequence is that this beautiful woman who, you know, is amazing and smart and insightful and it's kind-hearted and ended up as his wife would have been a matronly librarian if he had never been born. And that's a bad thing. In a small town. Yeah, where that's a bad thing that she ended up as a spinster, basically. I forgot how dramatic it was. It's so dramatic. Like, where he's like, you don't want to know, like, he won't tell him at first.

He's like, tell me. She's about to close up the library. It's so funny every single year. Yeah, I mean, closing the library fucking sucks. Like, you know, I bet if she was just working a daytime shift, it would have been nobody. big deal. Like, I'm sure if she was just working the desk during the daytime, no big fucking deal. But the fact

that she had to work a closing shift, that was probably like the nail in the coffin for him. He's like, she's not married. It doesn't have to take care of children. Yeah, she can't like, she got no one to go home to. That's fucking shitty. Like, welcome to my life, George Bailey. It's fine. I can, I got nothing going on.

Go home. You do you. Take your bra off. It's good. So yeah, that's, it's a wonderful life. And, like, Justin, like, I saying the notes that you said that that was, like, the sort of progenitor of that trope. And I hadn't. It's not the progenitor. It's the one that people most know. Oh, okay.

Because I was like, surely that's older than that. No, it's much older. Yeah. But, like. This was also at the point in, like, the UK, by the time this movie had come out where, like, the trope had gone so far from being, like, helpful woman in the library to, like, what are these. women doing, having careers. It's just creepy. They're all lesbians.

Well, it was also kind of like post-World War II. It was like, they need to be in the home having babies. Yeah, because half our country died. Yeah. Half our country died and they have to make more. So instead of being helpful, they're now seen as like suspicious. That started with like teachers. Oh.

Yeah, that's in the article. Teachers were unionized and that's part of it. Like, librarians never actually unionized, which I can always talk about more. But, yeah, there is a lot of fear around teachers particularly. And, you know, they didn't want librarians having any of that. So by keeping them in low-wage jobs, that would keep them essentially away from power and away from... Yeah, it's all in that article that Justin shared. Fucking read the article.

I guess we're discussing it, though. Yeah, it was just like to have something smart to say about all the, because I wasn't going to have time to watch all these movies. But I also link the, the hard times. Hard times one where study finds librarians saying shish directly into the camera is still the most effective music video element for conveying pop punk bands distaste for authority. I definitely sent this screenshot by at least two people. before I saw that it was from the hard times I thought that was like a real because that sounds like something that like someone on vice or or or polygon or something would like do some sort of informal study and I was like it's like a polygon headlong it does right um like some sort of yeah you don't have You don't have the same friends that I do. Yeah, you don't have, well, you're not as media literate as I am.

I love the hard times. I just, like, didn't know it was from the hard times. I do, yeah. I like how it calls out the fish lens in particular. Like, it's not just a picture of a librarian shushing somebody. It's a fish lens. The fish islands. Yeah, fish islands.

She's old, and it makes her eyes bug out. Pop Punk. dude, Jor. I'm on a skateboard and she doesn't like it. I couldn't actually think of any videos that had that, though. I can't either. I know exactly what they're talking about, but I cannot name one at the top of my head. Feeling this has a, like a teacher.

I think 182's feeling this has a teacher do that, where they do the fish eye lens and come in. Yeah, it's a very early aught sort of feeling. Yeah. I don't think it happens in I'm not okay. I mean, MCR is not pop punk, but that song is, I would consider that. I will argue that MCR are not pop-pock, nor are they emo until my dying breath. They are sad core. It's just Gerardway's really into the smashing pumpkins and also cabaret and also misfits.

And then Ray Toro is really into Iron Maiden. and then that's how you get X.R. And they all like Queen. And then like their like Danger Days album is just them doing glam rock.

More so than on Black Parade. Like instead of doing Queen and they're doing like T-Rex. So anyway. But yeah, I haven't seen like any Fallout Boy music videos. I've seen I think there's any

in schools except for the dance dance one, but there's no. I haven't like seen any Green Day music videos. Where did the shushing librarian come from? It's got to be somewhere. That or it's just that or it's just we all imagined it. Maybe it's like a meme. Like it was maybe it was like memed into existence like before our knowledge.

It's an in-group delusion. Maybe it was yeah. But in like a, is that a Hitchens? Nemonysis. idea no it was dockins dockins in like a Dawkins way yeah that definitely not Hitchens

not the same person I know I have a I have a brain injury sometimes I can't remember things right I can't see how you It's a Mandela effect yeah you know I couldn't remember the name of the lady of the librarian and it's a wonderful life and that's one of my favorite movies

I'm like what's her name? I have no idea what her name was. Yeah, I watched that every single Christmas and I cannot remember her name. I don't know the names of any of the characters in White Christmas either, so don't feel bad. And I watch

that every Christmas. I've no idea what any of the fucking characters' names are. Right. Yeah. Have y'all were you all forced to watch Desk Set ever? No, I've watched hearts of it. Yeah. I've seen it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Catherine Hepburn's callers.

Yeah. I love Catherine. Hepburn. Her collars in anything. In that movie are fucking, like, her fucking outfits are fucking ridiculous. Like, I want to throw shit on my TV when I watch that movie because I'm like, who, no one can afford that outfit as a librarian. Also, like the anxieties of that film about like the computers taking, um, like the jobs of librarians.

And this is what, like, a move from the 50s. Yeah. Or something where, like, they will automate their jobs. And so they won't have jobs anymore. It's like when I learned that like that's what that movie was about, I was like, what? Like you surely that's a, not even in the 90s. I wouldn't think that that would be like because this things weren't sophisticated enough. Yeah.

It was when like Google got really good that people were like, oh, I guess you don't any librarians anymore because Google exists. That was like that was a big. So Watson was on Jeopardy when my like first semester of grad school. And so that was a big topic of conversation. in the winter of 2010. And so, yeah, that was definitely something we talked about a lot in grad school was, will we have jobs? And there was also a massive recession going on.

So automation plus recession equals massive anxiety for years during that time period about those things. Tech services. Yeah. Oh, everything. everything. Like reference. It came up everywhere in reference. Like, do they need reference if fucking Watson's available? And it's just like the reality of it wasn't.

Well, because in desks that was. Yeah. Oh, yeah, exactly. That's what it was. It was. Yeah. Because it's like it's them being scared about cataloging. It's the reference librarian. Yeah. And that's what I was scared about. I was scared about going into reference. And so I did a bunch of like digital collection shit and started working in. digital collections because I didn't think that there was a future in reference, which guess where I am now? Instruction. Because I was in that, I was going to school in that transition period where like things were transitioning from reference to instruction.

But yeah, it's been a while since I've seen that. I don't think I've seen all of it, but it was like the last day of one of my library school classes they showed scenes from it because I don't think they let you graduate at U of I without doing that. I did. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, did you not have to see it in any of your classes? Oh, no.

I made it through without any of that. Well, I also did most of my degree online, too. Yeah. I took instruction courses because that was kind of like the thing that everyone was like, there's probably going to be a job in this. Yeah. Because I always had like job board emails coming in. It was like instruction reference, instruction reference, instruction reference.

I was like, okay, I should definitely take some like more instruction courses. And then I took one. I remember the first like four weeks and then nothing. But it was a really good four weeks. But then the rest of the class was just like not as good. So then I took another specialist reference class. Yeah. Humanities, which history was not a part of.

So that was disappointing. I'm trying to remember what stereotype Catherine Hepburn was in that because it's Catherine Hepburn. So I doubt she's going to be like shy or something. And it's Catherine Hepburn. She's fucking Firecracker. but she's never like matronly. Like she's just Catherine Hepburn, right?

So I'm trying to think of like what trope is Catherine Hepburn. Could she be the first fun and competent? Oh. Fun and helpful? Because it's, you know, just her- Is she fun in this movie? It's just Catherine Hatburn. And I think this is one of her ones with Spencer Tracy too, I think.

Because, you know, she did those few like Carrie Grant ones back in the 30s, 40s. And then it was just her and Spencer Tracy. until the cows came home. Oh my God. It's been a Watson. I've seen that. Guess what Catherine Hepburn's name is in this movie? What?

Bunny Watson. Yes. I'm sorry. Bunny what? Watson. Bunny Watson. Oh. Is that what Watson was named after?

Or is it named after the Sherlock Holmes character? Yeah, Sherlock Holmes character. Is she named after that the Sherlock Holmes? Is that a Sherlock reference too? I'm not in the brain of the person who wrote this movie, so I don't know. Yeah, desks that. Like, I feel like that and party girl are the two ones that always get mentioned in grad school. And then it's like everyone already knows Giles from Buffy, even though I hate Buffy.

I have never watched a second of Buffy and I don't give a shit about it. I hate Joss Whedon with my entire soul. The only good dialogue he ever wrote was in The Avengers and everything else. It's like, I've seen like a few episodes of Buffy that were good. they were Giles or Spike episodes that my friend showed me. Giles is fun. I just don't think I get Josh. He's in.

I just don't think I get it. I don't either. He's like Aaron Sorkin, but trying to be cool. You're probably better off for that. Like, I would probably hate the West Wing, too, because it's just Aaron Sorkin and Josh Sweden are the kind of the same dialogue style. Too fast and quippy for where it's just them jerking off. And then that's the dialogue.

Anyway, so yeah, it's been a while since I've seen Desk's set. Are you just going to do that anytime we're horny on Maine, Justin? I guess so. Okay. I might get some old Looney Tunes fully. Yeah. Oh, my God, yes. I thought of another character that we haven't talked about.

It's not from a movie, but it's from a television show. It's Tammy from Parks and Rec, if anyone's watched that. Yes, the punk. ass book jockey. Yeah. And how many fucking Twitter handles do we know with that in it? Yeah. Or handbags.

Yeah, or Twitter. Yeah. Mugs, t-shirts. Yeah, stuff on the wall next to Live Laugh Love. Yeah. That is the librarian version of Flav Laugh. Is that character so fun because it's Megan Malawi. Yeah, it's all Megan Malali.

It's great. Yeah. It's just like her fucking raw power. Because she's like sexy. If I could just like watch her. like every trope bundled into one. Like she's like a sexy cop mischief maker like and inept. She's a bitch.

Like a bitch. She's so evil. Yeah. She's like an evil librarian. She's like wicked pure evil energy. But like you also maybe get that she like might run the library really well. And like that she fucks like a demon. Oh yeah.

You know she fucks. Yeah. Yeah. So that's actually like I'm like. there's things about Parks and Rec I like. It's like how there's things about the office I like. Yeah. There are more things I like about Parks and Rec than the office, though.

Agreed. But yeah, her character was so fucking fun. How did I forget the punk-ass book jokey thing? That's the whole right on our part. Yeah. God. Yeah. Because the first time a young librarian hears that, they're like, yeah.

I'm a punk-ass book jockey. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, no, one thing I'm totally going to steal. So, I mean, I'm not going to do like the whole thing. But this great librarian I went to grad school with Dylan Burns. He's at the University of Washington now.

And he's like their cinema media studies person. We went to grad school together. He's great. And we keep meaning to do this, but, you know, COVID and life happened. But we really want to do this paper on like info seeking. in horror movies. And because like when you think about it, like, there are a lot of scenes in horror films

when like the people are going to look for what is this thing. They go to a library, right? Or they do other things, but like in it, they go to a library. They do that in the first, in like the, there's a babysitters club movie from the 90s. And they definitely do that in that movie.

Or they go to like some sort of like newspaper archives and they read the microfilm. Yeah. Right? Or that's in thrillers too, like in seven where they like that's how they catch fucking Kevin Spacey is they get his like record of what books he checked out even though it's illegal. And that it was like all of like the Canterbury Tales or something. And that movie was made before the Patriot Act. Right. That's a good movie. I'm so mad about Kevin Spacey. I just love David Fincher though. But yeah, like.

You know what? Fuck Kevin Spacey. I know. I was so mad because he's such a good actor. I was like, no, so many movies I like. It was fine. I wonder if somebody else. He's just another white guy. We're fine without him. Yeah, I know. I like the movies he was in, though. I wonder how many, I wonder if anybody has gone through, like, I'm getting definite supernatural flashbacks. I'm, I'm wondering if somebody who's gone through and counted how many times they've ended up in a library in supernatural. Especially Sam. That's his big thing. He's the. A wall student. Yeah.

Like flipping through books and like drawing shit. It's always the old dusty brown mahogany library. He's never any library anywhere. Yeah. Well, the graduate, like the regular main library at U of I is exactly like that. Oh, okay. And like that actually the Rose Room at the New York Public Library is like the big mahogany thing.

And like day after tomorrow takes place in that room. Like disaster movie with the global warming that happens in. New York Public Library, like most of that movie. Yeah. That's where they're holding up. I watched it all the time as a kid. That was like big and I was young. But no, like in like in thrillers, this happens.

And I know in like movies where journalism is a thing like in spotlight, I know there was like, you know, of them going to research and there's like the montage or even a velvet gold mine. He goes and like goes to like reference something and looks at microfilm for newspapers and like name records and stuff. Like that's always a scene in. something. God, I would love it.

It's a huge one. I still love, like, despite everything, I still love, like, Matt Stone and Trey Parker. And, like, can you, like, imagine, can you, like, imagine if they did, like, a movie we're like, we're going to do, with a montage, like, we're going to do some research. This one would be great.

Research. Research. Research. Research. And like what musical would they base it off of? Yeah. Because they already did all of La Mizz. But like, yeah, if it were like an investigation like kind of movie and like, yeah, if it were like a musical, yeah, that would be pretty fucking awesome.

I would really, I would really like for Matt Stone. If you're listening, make a million dollar idea. Involving research, I'll help you write the songs. A big fan of Cannibal the musical. if you're listening I use Book of Moment a lot in like instruction examples My favorite movie of yours is orgasmo

But yeah That's like I That's the like Let's go find about this esoteric Old thing It's like even in like Did y'all watch the American Remake of the Ring

Gore Vipinski I think I saw that movie in the movie theater. It's so good because like... I was 15 when that came out and I didn't sleep for a week. The first time I saw it my phone rang after and I was like, no. The first time I saw it, the guy I was dating at the time I was in high school, we went and we saw it and we were going back to his house afterwards and his little brother knew that nobody else would be home. So he left to go to a friend's house and just left to.

the gigantic TV in the living room on static. No. And so we walk into this like empty house with just this giant TV on static. I think I'm pretty certain that I just turned around and left and my boyfriend was just like, I'm going to fucking kill him. I know that was my little brother. I told him we were going. But yeah, like there's two like a fake thing of that of NEOB lots. Yeah, towel. I had to put a towel on my TV for like a month, you know. Yeah, it's so good But like yeah

She does a little bit going to research And I love it And like looking at like Microfilm and micro fish And like having a time with it Doing some local history research Yeah Yeah like when I think of like

The going to research in a horror film That's the movie I think of actually Because like it I saw that before I saw the It miniseries I didn't see that until middle school whereas I saw the ring in middle school too but I saw that in like fifth grade whereas I saw it in like eighth grade you know so I associate the going to the library

scene with the ring and not it even though it's even in it there's like the whole scene in the library with the you got Prince Albert in a can and he's like got the balloons with the blood in them and it's fucking hilarious and Tim Curry's having a blast there's a movie I was trying to find for this for this section where

they go to the library because there's a movie that is a cheaply made knockoff of Harry Potter called The Mystical Adventures of Billy Owens. And there is a scene in it. But he doesn't go to like wizarding school. He just like meets a guy and the guy's like, you're a wizard. New kind of guy. You guys help save the town. And then so they go to the library and like they sneak in.

But it's like clearly like it's a very, very low budget film. So it's clearly like the local public library. in the town they're filming in. Nice. And then, like, they're using the actual microfeesh. Nice. Of the actual town. It's always microfeesh.

And it's on prime videos, so we can do a Twitch watch party. Yes. And get, do our first Twitch stream. I really want Neil Green to do, let's go to the library for research movie, like, in a scene in a movie, because he already did the one about him writing something. But, no, it's like, it's interesting to think of, like, you know, the, how librarians are sort of trooped in film versus how libraries are trooped in film. Like, when I think of Harry Potter, which, you know, fuck J.K. Rowling and Harry Potter. But, like, when I watch, like, when I think about, like, the movies, like, the first two.

And, like, I don't think of the librarians. I think of the library. And they, like, just sneak into it. And there's, like, the restricted section and, like, the books move and shit, right? Like, I mean, it's like libraries in a film. It's that sort of gatekeeping, esoteric. Like, you go to the Bodley Library in Oxford and there's still books on chains. Yeah.

Kind of thing. It's a known character, kind of. Yes, the library is the character. But speaking of that, that I went on, the Doctor Strange movie, the librarian at the monastery, has like books and chains. Oh, nice. He's like, no book is off limits. And then it's like, except for all of these. Well, those books were off limits.

You just couldn't check them out. Well, yeah. And you see that. And that's like a thing. And I think Game of Thrones too. Like at the, in Game of Thrones. Oh. Where the, where the motherfuckers study to be the motherfuckers in the citadel.

All the books are chained to the shelves, which is like an old monastic tradition of chaining books to shelves allegedly. Yeah. So, yeah. drawn on a lot of... Those are usually chained to a desk. These are like chained like they're going to escape. Speaking of monks, I know it was a movie and I haven't seen it, but also the book, Name of the Rose. Fucking medieval monk murder mystery and a library and like how the library is like representative of knowledge and shit.

A novel by Umberto Ako. Yeah, name of the rose. That's what I said. I thought you said a movie. Like I was like, yeah, it's a film, but there's a book. Oh, I didn't hear that. Okay. I was very confused. Yeah, sorry.

Yeah, no, I'm a huge echo, like, Stan. Like, because I'm a huge semiotics nerd. Echo, echo, echo, echo, sorry. Echo, echo, yeah, or fascism, if you haven't, people who are listening to this. But yeah, I know, name of the rose is this big, pretentious. It is very, because it's just like, let's talk about semiotics for 40 pages.

And you're like, all right. But yeah, it's like a medieval monk murder mystery. in a like monastery library. It's pretty cool. And all the monks are concerned about knowledge and symbols. I know nothing about comics most of the time. So y'all will probably be leading this conversation. I don't even remember what Girls for Slinghot is about.

There's that hot dominatrix in it. Yeah, you know, I haven't read any of these comics in a really long time. But yeah, no, Girls with Slingshot was kind of, it was kind of like just, following like a handful of characters lives it wasn't there wasn't really a plot and yeah same with uh questionable content questionable content too yeah which i stopped reading before they apparently introduced this like cool trans lady library student or something yeah claire wasn't tie early tie was in there early and she was a librarian she like ran the library that martin started to work at she was in library and she's uh like a library assistant.

Oh. Oh, we're going to in that debate, are we? Wow. Way to be a bad comrade. Well, it's a plot point because he's like, because he doesn't go to the university, but she did.

And he's like, hey, when do you graduate? So I know, like, I'm not losing my job. And she's like, I graduated like a year ago. And he was like, you didn't think to tell me. She's like, oh, I was smoking a lot of pot. I've been busy. And so, yeah, the arc I put. put in there in questionable content is just where he's a library assistant and he Martin,

the main character, if there is one, has to train them and one of them is Claire. And then she, and comes out as trans a little while later. And she's kind of like the libraries are serious business, which is a really funny comic I can find. But she doesn't really fall into a trope because this is more of the area of like, with all of these comics, the theme is like librarian as like regular person. There's still like tropes, but it's also just like, yeah. Well, yeah, the dominatrix and like girls with slingshot, she's also like really neat. She's also like really meek. So she does kind of come into that like old maid stereotype a little bit. Yeah. The dominatrix was just to throw them. I really liked Clarice as a character because like, I don't know. I felt

I didn't feel like she really fell into any tropes in particular. Like, She was kind of shy, but I think that, and then with juxtapositioned with the dominatrix thing. She's the only thing I remember about that comment. Yeah, I don't remember a whole lot either. I just, I remember that. It ended a while ago, so I haven't read it a long time. Were there any librarians in Obloff? I was going to check.

I'm sure there have been. I don't know. There's probably like librarian of the Dick books or something. Ogloff a show game here. But I need to test the filter at work? That's what I use. Which led to an awkward moment where my boss was like, hey, how do you test the filter? And I was like, you have to go to a blocked website.

And he goes, well, what do you do? Please don't make me admit that I use Ogloff as a friend. Everyone knows who that is or what that is. My boss is a weird cinnamon roll. So I don't, I don't think, I don't think, I genuinely don't think he knew. how to test the filter. Doesn't know about the cool dyke pirates who make the

dude pirates fuck each other. The cum sprites. The come sprites. Does it know about the the labyrinth dude? I haven't read that for a really long time either, but it's some, everyone's while will go down a rabbit hole and just like read. I'll go off for like a

day. Yeah, I like it because you don't really have to follow a plot or characters. You just, you could just jump in wherever and get sex jokes. Yeah, I'm trying to think if there was a librarian in that ever. 40 people who listen to this, you know, drop a, send us an email, tweet at us.

Was there ever a librarian in a bluff? Yeah. There is library comic, which has been going on for a long time, and now they have, like, new artists come in? Didn't they make, um, or someone did,

like they sold like a USB that was like a card catalog? Was that them or is that someone else? I don't know. I haven't gotten any of their merch. I used to read Unshelved a lot. Maybe it was unshelved I was thinking about. I have unshelved merch. My work, Lanyard, is an intellectual freedom fighter. Lanyard.

The computer's tailed to me. Oh, yes, it was unshelved because they make the card catalog USB. There's a funny, I do have a funny story about unshelved. So my supervisor in grad school during my, my supervisor at work, during grad school. I worked at the library in library school. And he was telling me about when he was working in a public library. And he was on the desk, but he couldn't like do anything on the desk.

He didn't really have anything like assigned to him. So he was reading the comic unshelved and like got other people into reading it. Oh, nice. And then he stopped when someone was like, hey, you remind me of Dewey from Unshelved. And he was like, okay. You got to stop now. Yeah, y'all got to stop. So Dewey's kind of like.

incompetent or just like anti-helpful. So he's sort of like an anti. I put this towards the end to like, are there any other new tropes we can add? And I think like he's kind of like the anti-policeman where he's like, yeah, do whatever. I don't care. Isn't he a teen librarian too? It's always a fucking teen library. Yeah, like the chaotic teen librarian stereotype.

Like there's the cheerful, like happy children's librarian stereotype. And then there's the teen librarian who just like also skateboard. through the library with the patrons and shit. The one that I put where it's like a subset of fun and cool where it's like hip-duded with tattoos who is probably like the hipster library. Like the hipster library. Yes. Yeah.

But he has tattoos. The librarian version. Yeah. And he has like tattoos. Totally youth pastor library. And he like knows. Yeah. You know who else?

You know who also skateboards through the library? Jesus does. Yeah. Ma'am, this is a public library. Ma'am, this is a Wendy's. The Lord doesn't care. Yeah, so I don't know, Dewey from Unshelved is kind of like inept, but he's also. And also in library comic, the Goff librarian is the children's librarian.

Oh, that's fun. So she's not like the fun, quirky one. And she's just like really good with kids. But it's also like, yeah, but she's like, she's a little spoopy. She goes to rock shows and stuff like that. So it's like the Rockabilly librarian kind of a thing? Yes, because John Wick three. Okay.

This was on the list, but I didn't know. I haven't seen a single John Wick. I haven't seen this either. I love John Wick. Not a one. So in the third one, well, the Rockabilly thing and the third one is they're actually like switchboard operators, but they're sort of like in the same realm as like one of the earliest scenes as he like goes to this library where he's the only person in it except for the librarian. And she has to tell him where the book is, even though it's like like this sounds like a premise for porn to be honest.

Hell yeah. I want to watch Keanu. Fuck a old lady librarian. Fuck yeah. But then he goes and like in the, it's a book. It's just like on the shelf. but there's like shit hidden in there. And I'm like that,

there's no way that was just there for all the, I mean, probably actually. But yeah, so there's a librarian in John Wick three, um, because like he, he hides a thing in a book in this library.

Um, but it's like unclear as to if it's a library that's a part of this, like organization underworld that he's a part of. Cause in like the people who sort of are like the, the version of secretaries kind of like they're, their switchboard operators. Um, and they're,

They're very rockabilly and they, like, were pink and have tattoos. And, like, some of them are, like, more older women who are still, like, that look like the old dykes in the telephone music video, like that, like, that kind of vibe, but with, like, pink and, like, big tets. It's pretty cool. Johnwick three is great. All the John Wick movies are good. First one's the best.

But, yeah, there's, like, some librarians and, like, the switchboard operators aren't librarians, but they have the same vibe. And they're going for, like, the rockabilly, but also matronly. kind of. Is the supernatural library like as a trope? That's kind of a thing because like the librarian movies and the librarian TV show. Yeah.

And it's like it's a library itself. Supernatural elements or is it just in a show? Because like in Harry Potter, sorry. But that has the floating books and shit. But like I'm trying to think of like another one where it's like the library itself. I've only seen the librarian movie and it annoys it. the shit out of me and I did not bother to watch the show. I think I watched

like two or three episodes of the show. I'm trying to think I know there are some other movies where like the library itself is like a component and I'm trying to think of movies that aren't documentaries but um But like where it's magical.

Oh yeah I don't do magic and shit like that. Sorry. I know um there's a big huge scene in uh wings of desire Dehima Ova Berlin. Yeah, exactly. That is in the big library in Berlin where it's just like you get to hear all the thoughts. Right. Yeah, where he's exactly when they're in the library.

And that's like one of the few cinematic representations that really represents the library as like a people place. Yeah, and like all the different types of things people do in libraries. Exactly. Like it's not just people looking. Yeah. No, it's a great scene. I'm, Arthur, you're going to jump over my laptop? You're going to do it, Bub?

You can do it, let people see you jump. When I reached out to people for anime recommendations, because I can only think of one, which is like a detective, like high school drama where just like they kind of work out little, they work out like little mysteries. And one of it, one of like the main mystery is like the history behind their classics club that they're in.

Oh, so it's the secret history. So like they meet a librarian. and she's kind of like old maidish, but she's just like, no, I just was here during the 70s, during the student protests, here's what happened, here's why your uncle got expelled.

And here's, so like they work out a mystery. And then so I noticed people sent me other things, and I noticed there's a big, a big genre of the library detective series. It's a whole genre of, it's a detective show fundamentally, but there's a library aspect in it.

So I don't know if this would fall into it because it's Murakami and you never like I could Oh fucking bring up Murakami. Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. I love Murakami. But in Kafka on the shore. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like one of the plot like one of the sections is Kafka like hanging out in this like they're not he's not in a library but like he's in this like house and. the person he's with is a librarian and he's a trans guy. Yeah. And he's also gay. And I'm like, okay, Murakami. Yeah.

He sees you. I was like, I didn't like remember that until like a year ago. And then I was like, oh shit. Yeah, no. There's like totally like a, and he like doesn't even do like library things. No, he's like more of, he's just like, oh yeah, I'm a librarian. Well, he, but like he works at the like, he is a librarian though. he does do stuff like that.

And I think his kind of role is more of like this kind of town figure. And I think that's like his role is really kind of it has this almost mystical. See, I've read it twice. And his role kind of has this like almost mythical quality to it. And it has this kind of significance and this weight to it in some ways. And I really like this kind of like 15 when I read it. Yeah. Yeah, I read it for the first time

It was 17 and then again I think at 29 or so But anyway, like his rule Kind of has this mythical gravity to it Oh, see, I don't remember any of that I just remember them like hanging out in that house But there's also in Hardboiled Wonderland and the end of the world

The weird like unicorn skull library Yeah, yeah like the natural history library That's where the dreams happen Yeah Yeah Are you back on Mystic Libraries? to ask about the detective library is detective like does that fall under a trope or have we discovered a new trope oh well i'm actually i pulled up uh from book riot dot com uh 16 great library scenes

in phil if you want to discuss that i feel like that might have something to do yeah um throw us the link in the discord okay yeah i was gonna say that um maybe the like giles type of character like might have helped morph into that. Yeah, I think he developed later. But I'm not sure like where if it is necessarily librarian as hero. I think it might be just library and his hero. Library and his protagonist. Yeah, as the person who uses their library skills to solve the story.

So like that's right. All of the breakfast club is in the school library. I know, right? They're in the fucking library at a high school in Chicago. Yeah. They go to. the detention first of all. Fuck, I hate, I hate the breakfast

club. I admit to, although I rewatch 16 candles and it did not. But I love them. Oh, the Jedi archives. Molly Ringwald wrote about 16 candles

recently for the New Yorker and it's a really good take on it. Yeah. Pretty Pink's got like hot, bitchy young James Spader in it. So, yeah. Or no, yeah, she wrote about...

Yep, there's day after tomorrow. Yeah, there's... Shawshank is a good one. Yeah. Yeah, Shawshank. Oh, Clue. Beauty of the Bees. Oh, libraries and prisons.

Yeah. So, like, the Malcolm X biopic. Yeah. I don't know if they go in the library, but there's a lot of reading done. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Like, as the self-educational take, Philadelphia.

Yeah, and also that guy in Florida who, um, who got convinced. but he didn't have a lawyer, and that was the case that was precedent to, you have to, the state has to provide one. There's a movie made about him, and a lot of it is him sitting in his legal library, which is a big part of any prison library, because everyone's wanting to research their case, right? Right. Yeah, I know.

I think I've seen that movie. I think I saw it as film study class in high school. I saw it in high school because it was about Florida, and it was about history. I think maybe it was government class. Carrie, when you were at U of I, were you in Champaign, Urbana or did you do it online? I lived in Champaign for a year. Also, my mom, my grandpa's from Urbana and my great aunt lived there, so I used to go there a lot. Were they doing books to prisoners?

Yeah, they did that when I was there. Yeah, that's like a, I know that was like a sort of a big thing. Yeah, they did that. a few students from the library school who did that. Yeah. We actually did a project at my work, actually, around with Wisconsin books to prisoners. So, like, you can actually, you're interested in prison libraries, get in touch with a local or regional books to prisoners program. They're a great organization.

Anyway, yeah, plug books to prisoners. There was a good book I read about a guy who was kind of like an accidental prison library and he just had. had like an English degree and he was like looking he just needed a job and so he just wrote about his whole experience and then like talks about like a lockdown happening and like suddenly he's like oh I'm a guard now like I'm I'm a cop like in this moment I think that like freaks him out and that's when he he starts planning to leave prison librarianhip has to be on a different level I just added it to our podcast yeah I work I work with a woman yeah I work with a woman who used to be in the prison, like, as a librarian.

I have a friend who volunteered at the one in Champaign or ban. Like, not just doing books of prisoners, but actually in the, like, the jail library. Yeah. I never got a chance to, though. I had a supervisor who moved to public libraries after working in a prison library for stress-related reasons. Yeah. I went to school with someone, like, she went to library school to become.

Like, that's what she. her whole thing was that she wanted to be a prison librarian. Oh, but yeah, she talked about how nice it was to not have to pack plastic cutlery with every single lunch that she packed because she had to do that every day at the prison library. And I'm like, that's, I don't know, it's not even something I would have even thought of. But yeah. Yeah. I'll link to that book in the show notes. We should wrap up soon.

You should. So new tropes We talked about like librarian is anti-policeman I think a lot of the stuff that I was looking at recently Especially in the web comics was like It's just trying to be like librarian is normal person Who's like trying to get a job The job market sucks

And then like library comic has like Different types of librarians who are But they're all relatable like The guy who is like really obsessed with books And then the guy who's like no everything is online now like just use our database, use a Kindle. And I think like, I don't know. I would, the thought I had was I would love to see,

because the article we used was talking about librarians versus non-librarians depictions of librarians in video. I would love to do that. They did that on YouTube. I would love to do that on TikTok because TikTok is just like way more horny. They did that on YouTube in 2010, which was a much different YouTube than YouTube in 2021 and also like who gives that much of a shit about us like I mean also like why do we care that much well it says it was an interesting thing that they needed a publication I'm thinking aren't there a lot of like

actually librarians on TikTok who share library stuff yeah there's a there's a tag and I'm tempted to like go through it and be like I wonder if there's an easy publication I could get out of this I remember kind of that early, like that 2010, because that was about the time that I started working libraries. Like I started in like 2008. So like I remember that era. And like that was, I think that suits YouTube at that time. But yeah, it wouldn't anymore at all. It's very much a product of its time.

Because is that when the memes of like what my mom thinks I do, what the public thinks I do, what I think I do, what I actually do. That's even longer before that. That's way before that. Really? Oh, yeah. Like, we've barely even had memes yet. Yeah. I threw that in the notes because I was like, I wonder how this would look like today if like this meme picked back up again.

Like what stereotypes would we represent about ourselves? Like what comes from within the profession as opposed to outside the profession? I feel like within the profession there's like the quirky. Yeah, like that TikTok that Justin threw on the twilight. Twitter, like the cold librarian, the Harry Potter library. I've definitely worked with the ukulele children's librarian. Like I, every single, I've worked with every single stereotype of librarian that is in that TikTok.

So. Yeah. And I think even like within different types of libraries, you get like different types of librarians, even within different types of libraries. And like even like fucking vendor librarians, like, God, don't even get me started. Like that's even a type It is, yeah Yeah Hey man, I most

You know Vendors whatever But I mean There are plenty of universities That are just as you know Evil as defenders So I can't get on a high horse about it

I would work for a vendor No I straight up had a Very dear friend and mentor Who is also very anti-capitalist And stuff be like Be a tech Exonomist at Amazon, you'll get paid so much money, and then you will have your student loans paid off. I was like, yeah.

That might have been before Mechanical Turk took off, because I don't know if you can actually probably still get that money. Yeah. When you can outsource it to someone else to do it for a tenth of the cost. They had the taxonomist at Etsy teach the taxonomy class at Ui, and I was signed up for it, and then they canceled the class. UvI also had a librarians and film course that I didn't take. because I just couldn't see why I would take it for like what I wanted to do. Like to me it's like that seemed like something I would take for like for a film degree and not like yeah. Yeah.

Like I couldn't see the like if I was being like utilitarian about it. I took like use of it but it sounded very fun. Every fucking class I took for my degree was just like a blow off fucking class to get a degree. Like I used nothing from my MLS degree. in my job. Fun fact. I use a lot of it. I have a degree in special collections.

My last class I took was the history and practice of letter press printing. I used none of that. I took history of the book. I'm a medical librarian. I am here to tell you can you learn what you need to learn

on the job. Yeah. If you're smart enough. I did a lot of metadata stuff. And I do metadata stuff. I use stuff from like every single class I took. I took metadata stuff, but only if it was interesting to me.

So it was like digital preservation or something. I was like, oh, that's cool. I never took any metadata. I took cataloging. That was about as far into metadata as I got. But then like I learned about metadata for stuff that I worked on too. So I needed to do metadata. To an autonomy development course.

Right in through the house with a pickle in my mouth. Exactly. Got to get that one in. Is it an episode of library? If that's not played. This whole episode was misbehaving. Yeah. So, okay, I think we find most of our listeners through Twitter, but if not, for some reason,

our Twitter's at Library Punk. And I'm still in Twitter jail. Yeah. Wow. I'm sorry, Jay. Yeah, no, I submitted like four appeals and it just says that, like, they are experiencing significant delays due to the pandemic. Oh, no.