librarypunk - 069 - Anime in Libraries feat. Leslie

Episode Date: October 6, 2022

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Okay. We are going. Fine. Let's go. Right after the show, you know what we're going to do? We're going to talk about what we learn. Yeah, because we always learn stuff. You know why? Because God has always teaches. So all we've got to do is watch her close and listen.

And we'll hear God talk to us. See after the show. I'm Justin. I'm Skalkan Library. My pronouns are he and him. I'm Sadie. I work IT at a public library. My pronouns are they then? I'm Jay.

I am a music library director. my pronouns are he him. And I'm not over how much our new theme like slaps. It's great. Fucking bang. Banger. It's so good. And we have a guest.

Would you like to introduce yourself? Yeah. Hi. I'm Leslie. My pronouns are they, them. And I'm not a librarian, but I'm going to do my best. I'm going to work really hard. Oh, hockey.

Yeah. Okay. That counts. We like push the limit so far as to what could go on a library podcast. We can, like, be like, we can spin anything. Filthiest cock gobbling slut. Yeah, like that. That's a really good take we got from Audrey.

We did get like 20 of them. Yeah, because they made everyone shut the fuck up so we can get Audrey saying that. That's really good. Yeah, we get a really filthy episode. Yeah. Oh, Lord. That was our filthiest episode. And we did one on porn, but that was her filthiest episode.

And the leather archives. Yeah, leather archives is good. Nice. And party girl. So who the fuck are you? Yeah. What are you doing? I don't know.

Who am I? That's such a tough question. I don't know. I'm a podcaster too. I'm sorry. I feel like I have to apologize every time I say I'm a podcaster. Yeah, but me and my friend Kate host a Buffy the Vampire Slayer re-watching and review podcast called Banks for the Memories.

We have had Justin and Jay on before, and it was a good time. And we also have had a very filthy episode where we talked about, like, how much cum is in the pages of books. And how it's like a very... I already did it, Justin. It's very easy to find subs. Yeah, I don't actually know if that's true, but we went on a tangent. It is. It's hard to say.

I've never even worked in a public library, but like I've heard stories. Yep. Yep. I have stories. Oh, shit. Can we just lose everybody? And there's Leslie. Okay.

It's a ghost. It's a vampire. It's a vampire. Yeah. I'm watching an interview with the vampires. So we get so much traction out of that one. Do you use that one to sync? It's a good one.

All of us or something? It's like your trick. Okay. So anime, anime, anime news. Anime news. Bamping, vamping, vamping. Yowie paddles. Are they copyrightable?

Apparently. Probably not. Oh. No. What the fuck? Are we going to have to move to Zoom? We might. Thank you, Zoom.

Hopefully this works. That is my actual legal full name, and I don't use it anywhere other than work. I'll ignore it. I forget, like, a lot of times what you guys' names were. It's like the one upside of being bad with names. I will never remember what they are. Okay. I don't think my pop filter is big enough, though.

I think I need a big. one. I think I need to actually get a real mind. When that covers my whole face. One that's just like a halo and medieval art. Yeah. One that like makes me look like dead mouse. One time my dad's pop filter ripped and I had an old pair of like dance tights in my drawer.

And I was already like I was home from college like visiting or something. And he was like, hey kiddo. You're not going to use these tights anymore. Are you? Buddy. And I was like, no. And he was like, can I use them for my, for my pop filter? Because like when he stretch it, it's like the same consistency, especially like the

Yeah, people do it. Yeah. So I think that's still what my dad's using for like a lot of recording stuff is my old dance. Oh, man. That's funny. Yeah. It's great. So Leslie, what's a yowie paddle?

Um, okay. So back in 2002 before the age of the internet, really? Yeah. Sort of. It was just a... Well, back when the internet was when you would show up to your cyber friend's house and it would be like, your mom would be like, have fun instead of like, no, don't. Yeah. So like, back when you were still like pretending to be sailor Jupiter online and then having cyber sex with someone being Vegeta, that was not like drawn from real life or anything. I was just like, that was just off the dome. But, um, yeah, like, the cyber is so big. Uh-huh. Yeah. 2002 or 2003 is when it the trend like started and I think somebody was just gave it to another

friend as a goof and had it like decorate in the stuff because the the concept of like decorating a paddle is is already a thing in like fraternity culture like you decorate a paddle and then give it to your your little or big brother or whatever um so I think it got borrowed from that and then this person was like oh this is cool yeah it is it really is um and so this prison was like, oh, this is cool. And all their friends really wanted one from themselves. And they were like, oh, I can probably make some money off of this if I start going to conventions and selling, you know, plastic yowie paddles that say like slut or monster tentacles on them. And they got super popular in conventions and like

anime meetups and stuff in like 2004 and 2005. And then the tide turned. And they have since been banned from conventions and fell out of favor because people were using them to. inflict terrible harm on each other, unwarranted. So that they as quickly as like a falling star, like burning very brightly but fast. That seems to track. I haven't been to Sukurokhan, but I had friends who went to Sukhirakon during that period. And that sounds like some of the behavior that they described happening. Yeah, those innocent halcyon days.

Oh, man. I do miss like, like early 2000s anime conventions. They had such a renegade spirit. Like I just miss like when you would just see like a dude in a Hawaiian tishirt selling like tentacle porn VHS copies that you know that he like was just sitting in his basement like just copying VHS tape after VHS tape for like hours on end. Oh, those are the days. And this is why preservation of so important kids as well as piracy.

Piracy can be a form of president. preservation. Absolutely. Copies keep stuff safe. Yeah. Like we talked about with the history man movie episode with Kyle. Like that movie existed because of preservation really and because of piracy. It got popular because of it.

The bootleg thing I want to get back to, but this is the first time we've actually been able to do an anime episode. So we have to do what everyone's like history with anime is. So Jay, what's your history with anime? What's the first anime you remember? So when I was a girl child, lady person child as a wee kid, I was really into Sailor Moon, really into Sailor Moon. And my stepdad, like, knew a guy who owned like a gaming shop and they had a doll of, oh, what's your name? Like, Madame Beryl, like the villain.

Queen Beryl. Yeah, like, yeah. And he caught me that. And so I had that doll. Like that's what I was into was the fucking villains I was like yeah And I loved

Loved Sailor Moon And then I knew nothing about anime I did not get into Pokemon I didn't get into any of the other ones Until high school When a friend showed me Death Note and I liked it And I tried watching some Inuyasha

And she was like Inniasha Okogome Like that's all I remember And Some Some bleach And I

read Death Note at that time as well. And then in college, I also tried to get into anime a little bit. And I took a course on anime and society. And that's when I watched like Akira and Ghost in the Shell and Pat Labor and watch some episodes of Evangalian. I wouldn't consider myself like a quote like anime fan. I like the movies more than I like any of the series. I like pro mer a lot. I bought like little gay little half palm gloves. Like Leo. Those are the ones I was wearing on Saturday, Leslie. Wait, those were pro mer gloves?

Yeah, they were. Oh, my God. That's the kind of person I am. But otherwise, I don't really like watch anime or like it that much, but some of the movies every once in a while a show. but I feel like there's so much like cultural tropes within specifically anime

that I missed and so I don't understand them when I watch them so that's my history with anime Sailor Moon to like buying gay little pro mare clubs and being really into ghosts in the shell to the point that that's why

I wanted to be a metadata librarian originally I think I've told this story before and I got like Akira and stuff too that's mine. These are just the characters from the cyberpunk anime, Romare. It's the same studio. Yeah. Studio trigger.

Yeah. Yeah. So they look the same. Yeah. I want to see some of their, I've seen, I had an axe who was really into Fottie Kuddy. And so I watched Fottie Kuddy. Fuddy Kyi's great. Yeah, Fottikini is great.

That's why I learned guitar. And I've seen like a lot of the Satoshi Kohn films. I haven't seen Millennium Actress, but I love like fucking Perfect Blue and Papica and Paranoi Agent. Yeah, studio triggers my favorite studio. Yeah, I still need to watch, like, what's the one where they're in high school, but they have like weird club. What's it called? You've got to narrow that down. It's the studio trigger one.

And there's like it's weird. The girl with a half scissors. Maybe. Kill a Kill a Kill. Oh, Killikill. Get a kill a kill. Yeah. So need to watch Killicle.

Killikill is really good. My favorite out of them is Space Patrol Luluco. That sounds fun. Yeah. Just really cute and adorable. And each episode is like seven minutes long, which is like what I love about anime is that like in terms of like form factor, they're very much like no rules just right. They just like make it however long they want to. I drive with that.

I like that. Talking about anime makes me feel old because my older brother was into. One of my oldest brothers, I have several brothers, was into anime when I was growing up in like the 90s. So it was all on VHS. So I never really watched any series except for like, and I've talked about like Ron Moe 1 half before and its influence on my gender fluidity. So I watched that on and off kind of growing up. But like, yeah, we had like the VHS tapes of like two or three different anime movies like strung together. And like my parents didn't like it and didn't want me to watch it.

But we would like watch it as like my siblings. And I would like watch it when they weren't home kind of thing. And it was like all super violent stuff that I'm remembering. I was just like, what was that called? Oh, Ninja Scroll where there's like, have you seen that? It's from 1993. And it's just like super violent all the way through. There's like a graphic like rape scene.

And I'm just like nine watching this with my older siblings. I'm just having a flashback right now. But yeah, what was it? It was like Ninja Scroll, a hero. There were like so many that I can't remember now. Probably Ghost in the Shell. Maybe the original Baki was on the VHS circuit. I have not actually seen Ghost in the Shell.

I don't know how I've missed that one. I know, right? I have the three copies of it. I've never finished it. I've never finished it. I own the most copies of. Nice. Yeah, I love Ghost in the Shell.

I have not exaggerating. when I say, yeah. Like, I am not exaggerating when I say that Ghost in the Shell is the reason I wanted to go into metadata. Like, that's a true story. But yeah, I had to pause because I had to go get my gay little pro mer gloves. Yay. Nice. Yeah, they're called half palm gloves.

If anyone else wants to be gay and get me. Be like leopodia. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because I got them because I pick up my cuticles and, like, my hang nails too much. And so I wanted something to cover them, but like, look stylish at the same time. What if I get gay little Leopocia clubs?

That's the least subtle movie in the history of the world. Literally, it's like a pink triangles in it and shit. Yeah, they're not even trying. They're not even trying. It's so good. I love it. Anyway. Justin, what is your origin story?

What's your root? What did I watch first? It probably would have been like stuff I didn't even know was anime. I was one of those people who was like 10 years old when Pokemon came out. So I got like the VHS in the mail where it was like the Pokemon commercial with the bus driver and then it had the first episode of the Pokemon anime. And I think that was probably the one where Ash gets like mauled by Pidgey's. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there's Ho-O and everything.

Yeah. I really like the Pokemon anime. I remember writing Pokemon fan fiction when I was like 12. I don't think I got very far. I got pretty bored with fan fiction. But yeah, I imagine myself. So I think it's probably like what people did with like the, uh, the Harry Potter world where they imagine themselves in it all the time. That was, I was doing that with Pokemon and animorphs.

Those were the two like worlds that I was living in. That's a good space to be. I read the end like Chronicles like 30 times. That's a huge book for a kid to read that many times. There was, well, when we talk about like the circulating VHSs, there was a VHS that went around my middle school. And it had a ghost in the shell, Baki, the Grappler, probably, I think it had Ninja Scroll on it. And it was just, it was, I think it was Miguel's. I don't know where he got it for us or something.

But it was one of those things that was just the VHS circular because like there was that scam where they would try and sell you anime. And it was three episodes per VHS or per, they still do this on DVD too. And you would pay like $10 or $12 or whatever it was for one. tape and it would be three episodes and you'd be like I can't even finish this arc this arc is like 30 episodes long like the indigo league is like 90 episodes so so people would learn how to set their vcr's and how to program them so that you would get all the episodes so i had a friend who had like a VHS collection of Dragon Ball Z that he had like taped himself and i remember being

must have been 17s i remember going to walmart and being like dude you can buy a box set of Dragon Ball Z with like the whole Sayan saga for like $10. And he was like, are you kidding me? I'm like, yeah, six DVDs. It's like 30 episodes. And we were so like pumped. And like he bought all a DBZ on DVD because it was just like to us, this was just like a huge deal.

Because you could buy a whole season on DVD finally. This would have been like 2007. Dude, I cannot tell you how stoked I was when I was like a later teen and still living with that same brother who started the anime craze in our house as like our roommate. And he bought all of Ronma one half, like all like eight or nine seasons. And I was just like, I can finally watch this shit in order from beginning to end without interruption. Like I'm going to lose my mind.

It's like 2005. And I'm like finally having my grand anime epiphany here. Epiphany. It was great. Justin has informed me that my transition like won't be complete until I like, am like, trying to go super saan in the woods or something. That's like a crucial boyhood experience. Screaming in the woods trying to go super saan.

Yeah. Like the only reason we would ever set up a Patreon is to fund me being able to do that. And then I can fully go super saying and my transition will be complete. What if it happens? What if you're the one? What if it finally happens? I think. What if you have to go on tea to go super sane?

Like fucking hereditary. It's just like, yeah. Yeah. I feel like I'm like of all of the hosts. I'm the least weeb maybe. I feel like that's a safe assessment to say. Yeah.

Even though I took a college class on it. But. I remember. Yeah. When I took my polycy class on Japan, there was someone took, I think someone did a presentation. I think a group had to do a presentation. presentation on anime and the professor was like, what's hentai? Tell us about that. He knew what it was. But he was just like, he was just this weird Italian dude.

So he was creep. I can't believe he was allowed to be a teacher, but he was like, tell us about the entire. He would like answer phone calls and walk out of the room. That's an extremely good Italian accent. Justin. You know how many just in class I took with this dude? Yeah. But also do you know know how long I had to listen to this motherfucker talk. Like, of course I can do his accent. Capitalism, Israeliism. The guy I had who taught a lot of Japanese type classes that I took on, like,

Japanese film and Japanese literature and my anime class, he and I bonded over the fact that we both really liked Einstein's and didn't know about it, this like German industrial noise band and whatnot. And he taught this Japanese ghosts and demons. course that I took for fun. Oh, yeah. We read a bunch of, we read a bunch of like,

Yoki stories as well as like some no play scripts and stuff. And he was really big on the anime class I took was also with him. He was really big on having us like pick something. Because like the anime class was divided into like sort of four big topics. There was like, oh, gee, sort of proto anime with like Astor Boy and stuff like that. there was the Mac section, right? There was the cyborg section, which is when I first read Donna Haraway, so you can blame the anime class for me reading the Cyborg manifesto and being on my Donna Haraway bullshit all the time.

There was like, quote, me and you against the world. And that is when we like watched Akira and stuff. But he liked having us like pick something that was like related to one of our class sections, but that we hadn't talked about or studied in class. And to do like a little presentation on it. And for the ghosts and demons one, my little group, I made us do Tomia, the two G. E. To. Oh, nice. Story about, you know, it's fucked up. And we related it to like Oni Baba stories and stuff.

But, but yeah, he and I bonded over like, like, like German gothic music and shit. Yeah, he was cool. Oh, that's awesome. I'm trying to think. So I had to look this up, but I had a similar situation where, like, I watched anime, but I was too young to know what it was, like, what anime is. But my parents used to get me this video that was, they would get at like blockbuster or whatever. And it was called, in English, it's called The Secret of the Seal.

In Japan, it's called Totoi. And it's about this little boy who moves into like a seaside town and he falls in love with the, he doesn't fall in love with the seal. But he meets a seal and it becomes his best friend. And then there's like a bad guy who wants to pollute the ocean and they have to foil his plan. So that was like the first thing that. I now that I know it's anime, that was like my first foray into it. But the first time I ever like saw something where I knew what it was is probably original Naruto. Like I've seen Naruto,

Naruto, Naruto should put in every episode ever. It's probably one of my, it's like probably my favorite anime. So, because I'm basic as hell. So I've never seen a single episode. Not on like purpose. It's not one I would recommend to people who are starting out. because there is a lot of it. I guess if it's, if you want to hang on to something long term, then it's a good one to start with. But yeah, it's just, I love stories about people who just do their best and they just never give up.

And so that's my shit. And there's a lot of anime that is about that. So I have a, I have a plethora of titles to choose from. Like, Comrade Poutine always says, just do your very best. There you go. This is an image I've been sending to Leslie, like, nonstop. because I watched this anime called How Heavy Are the Dumbills You Lift? And there's like a Russian person in it.

There's just, wait, we're in, we're in Zoom. I can share my screen. Yeah, he looks exactly like ripped. We've opened up new, new technological opportunities. This is going to make, you know, in an audio format, this is going to make for incredible content. It's going to be discussing an image. Is that Putin? It's ripped Putin

Hugging a bear It's not as good as that one video that goes around Twitter Of like the two Russian guys doing like crunch sit up twist things And there's a bear like on the branch Like pushing it up and down If y'all see that No, we'll have to do a Twitch stream Where we just show each other videos

Have you seen that video? YouTube party Did you know that? You didn't see that movie Today this, what we're recording right now It's our 69th episode. Oh. Yeah.

Leslie. I'm so honored. Yeah. You're 69. Nice. Oh, nice. That's wonderful. That's two of my favorite numbers.

So together, it's just a double treat for me. Yeah, like we didn't celebrate our like one year anniversary or anything. But episode 69. But 69 episodes, that's, yeah. That's where it's at. What are you guys going to do when you hit episode 420? Oh my God. Like in 20.

That'll be the like singularity in it or something. So I kind of look up like libraries in anime. It's just like a genre we're going to talk about anime episode. There's not like really a theme except anime. But there aren't like any good animas like set in libraries. There's library wars which I've never watched because it doesn't sound all that interesting. Leslie, have you seen it? I've seen bits and pieces.

I haven't sat down and watched the whole thing, but yeah, it is. It's very like for the concept, which is basically like the government wants to censor everything. And so libraries have basically become a militia. And so they literally like battle each other with guns and stuff. We're not that cool. That premise sounds really interesting, but it was very like, it didn't click with me the little bit that I've seen. Yeah. Well, anime loves to do a thing where it says it's about a thing.

But then, like, the premise is just like, actually, it's just everyone is depressed teens fighting in robots. Yeah. It could be called like potato wars. And it would just be like, the machines are fighting over a potato planet. It doesn't matter. It's just Gundam wing with potatoes. You could make an anime out of Infinite Jest and make it a sports anime because of all the... Well, that's all the time we have for tonight.

Let's go. All right. Goodbye. Good night, everybody. Not kidding, though. I'm not kidding, though. There's a lot of tennis in it. God, I would love to see more classic fiction turned into sports anime.

Yeah, what is like a piece of media that you like that you think would make a good anime adaptation? Catcher in the Rye, he did fencing. Like, it begins, like, he's, like, on the way home on the train, like, with the fencing gear because he, like, didn't go to the match or lost the gear or something. Holden, like, does fencing. Yeah. Yeah. It's like a post-spensing.

sports anime anime I think I'm the I'm the one in the group with the degree in literature so I mean there's got to be like a Jane Austen there's got to be like a Pride and Prejudice anime right or like a persuasion or an Emma there's definitely like graphic novels and manga style and pretty yeah and I've read

some of the like Shakespeare manga which the Julia Caesar one is great when the ghost shows up fucking whips it's good go read the like Julius Caesar manga. It's really good. Hamlet as a manga or as anime. Yeah. You could do like a really long. Yeah. You could do a really long movie or you would do a mini series.

Yeah. Because they would have to like, they would have to do a cutaway. They would have to do filler where he goes to war, but they would have to like show it instead of like cutting back. It would just be like he would have to get into the robot. What if he did Rosicruits and Gelden's certain or dead? an anime. I've never watched that. It's just waiting for Godo, but Hamlet.

Oh, okay. Yeah. My choice is waiting for Godot, the anime. It's a two hour long still shot. Is it no exit? That pans left and right. The Sartre play where they're all stuck in the room together. Is it no exit?

The room? Oh, I would love the room anime. Yes. Oh, my God. So good. And then I want it re-dubbed into English with all the same actors. Baywolf would make a good anime. It's got like action.

Well, they did make a Baywolf anime. Yeah, I think they did. No, they made the CGI Baywolf, remember? Yeah, with Anthony Hopkins. Neil Gaiman wrote that screenplay. It was basically anime. I mean, it's what anime looks like now because it's all 3D model and cell shading and shit. So that's what anime looks like now.

Yeah. I mean, I think Billy Budd could make a good anime. anime or Moby Dick or something, like a bunch of lads out on the sea and there's like mutiny or whales and things. That's just one piece. Right. Yeah. It's just one piece. A bunch of lads on the sea, you know, Billy Budd's only 70 pages when you read it. It could be a good little like one season arc. Yeah. It's pretty gay. That's the thing is like a lot of anime do, you know, complete their stories in just like one season. Yeah. Yeah. Like 12 or 24 episodes. So, you know, if you want something that's a little bit longer than like a movie, but not a hole in here in the West

or whatever where we think like, you know, seven seasons of something. Is that maybe one reason why like it might be hard for libraries to collect them? Because like I mean, I know libraries will collect like movies, but I feel like it's harder for TV shows. I think it might be. So there are a couple things that I was thinking about like what would be a detriment is number one is obviously licensing. I mean, it's a lot easier nowadays.

you know, there's, there are, especially digital, but even physical copies, like G-Kids are pumping out, you know, anime left and right in like physical forms with like really beautiful like boxes and and all this like other accoutrement to the, to the release. So there, I think it's a lot easier now than it used to be in like, say like 2005 to try to, to be in a library and try to keep up a collection that's like decent. And then, yeah, I think, I think, like, the longer a series goes, like, it would definitely be harder to keep a collection of. Like, I can't imagine trying to keep a collection of one piece. Or, like, Leach.

Yeah. Or, you know, yeah, or even, like, Inumyasha. I'm trying to think of something, like, more contemporary. Probably, like, My Hero Academia just started at six seasons. So, like, that's six seasons of 20 to 24 episode seasons. So, like, pretty good to check all that down. I know of or like maybe three seasons if that. How long does Attack on Titan gotten to be?

Oh, Attack on Titan, I think. Four seasons? Yeah, this is the end and I'm already sure they're on the end of season four. From what I remember when I did public service, it was like, it was hard to keep sequential, a series and sequential. Yeah. Because it would like, the fifth season would disappear, get stolen. Honestly, so much of it was just straight up theft. Like we had so many teenagers or young people who like didn't want to check it out or couldn't check it out and it would just disappear.

So it was, yeah, I remember that being a frequent topic of discussion with our youth librarians and the people who ordered DVDs was just trying to keep at least like the really long ones like at least like five or six seasons at all times because otherwise it would just like fucking disappear. Yeah. Yeah, that's the thing is like nowadays, like I don't want to say like kids these days have it so easy. But like it really was difficult. It was difficult to find. Like the only reason that I had so much anime that I did when I was growing up was because I had like a bootleg guy at the kiosk in my mall. And I'm pretty sure it was like a mafia front because I was the only person that was ever in that store. Now the cyber is so big.

Uh-huh. So like, yeah, accessibility and quality. And it was super expensive too. Like I remember going to a convention in like 2007, I think, or 2005 or 2007. And like dropping 70 bucks for like one season of, I think, live action Sailor Moon. So not even technically anime, the live action version of Sailor Moon. So like, yeah, if you're a kid in 2004, 2005 or whatever, like, you can't afford that kind of stuff.

So, but yeah, nowadays, it's like, it's so abundant. I mean, even getting later into the odds, it was like, when I was in my early 20s and had like a really big sort of late stage anime phase with clamp. I would go to, God, I can't remember what it's called now, but it's a giant Japanese bookstore in Seattle and like dig through like the CDs and stuff and like you could get it. And it was just horrendously expensive. Like, it would be like $50 for one CD.

And then like, yeah, like $70. for one season of an anime. So, you know, that was before subscription services. So you'd either buy it there, you'd buy it on Amazon once Amazon started carrying that kind of shit. Right. But now it's like a lot of it is streaming. And of the stuff that's streaming, are they making physical releases?

Oh, yeah. Are they? Okay. Because like some of them, it's like, is this just like a Netflix exclusive or just like a Crunchyroll exclusive or whatever where you can't buy the physical media? but if you can, then I'm not as bad as about it. It's not as prevalent, and you do have to import a lot of it, and you open yourself up to a lot of bootleggery when you try to get,

it's not as bad as it used to be, but it is still pretty prevalent. So you have to really, like, check your vendors and make sure that there's nothing written in like Chinese or if something says it's like non-region locked, that's always a big red flag, because usually, legit stuff is region coded in some form, in some capacity or another. So I'm torn because I love, you know, I love streaming and I love having that easy access. And I like the fact that streaming is a lot more, especially when it comes to like subtitles and like the actual format of what the subtitle looks like. There's a lot more room for customization as opposed to a physical copy. So if that is

something that you're concerned with, I think streaming or digital is where you want to go. But you also can't compete with the sound quality and the actual visual quality of a physical release. So they both have their merits. I'm looking at Kenan Ashera, which is a Netflix exclusive, and it's $159 for season one on Amazon. It's a Region 2 DVD. So it still happens. Yeah, that's tough. But also, like, you know, like I said, like G Kids is selling like copies of Bell or ProMare. They were the ones that released pro-Mara North America. Blu-ray is probably like 30, 40 bucks. I just had the like digital Amazon version.

I don't have a physical copy. Yeah, me too. I should. I think the only one that I got that I was like super excited to get like a physical copy was is of Anahana, which is a anime about a ghost. And I don't want to say more than that. I like ghosts.

I have the new, the new ghost in the shell like 4K. It came out. Okay. Last year or something, that's my third version of Ghost in the Shelf. That one was fun to get. I'm sure, like, this, I wanted to bring up, like, the streaming situations because, like, the HBO Max whole thing, I feel like there was another thing after the HBO Max deletions of series, that there was another thing that happened where some creators were like, oh, my thing is gone, but I don't, I don't know. Maybe it was just an extension of HBO Max, but streaming only services are not.

even like reliable and short term because like Google Stadia just shut down and I was a beta tester for Google Stadia like three years ago and now it's closed forever after like six months ago saying like we're not closing down and now they're like we will refund your money sorry so it's like a very new thing that was just like a huge failure there's there's kind of like problems and I'm running into this at work which is like computers don't have DVD players on them because region locking kind of wasn't a problem for a short while if you were playing everything on on like your laptop, like a region encoding didn't matter on laptops. It only mattered on like DVD players. So I remember buying like um a nom nom ron for a

coworker because like um, I remember getting in the DVD because I bought it for myself. And this was like a series of things. If you've seen um the book of Kells animated movie. So the same studio did a bunch of Sean Nose songs. So it's all in Galaga and And they did all these little short animations that you can still find from TGI Kotter, TG4. That's the Gaelic channel in Ireland. And so, but I gave it to him because he was like, he was a linguist who studied Gaeliga and he had like little kids. And I was like, okay, you can have this. And he was like, oh, we can only play it on our laptop because like it's a region lock thing.

I was like, oh, shit, I didn't even notice because I didn't own a DVD player. I've never owned my own DVD player. But now I'm getting all these emails at work. It's like none of our classrooms have DVD players and professors keep trying to show movies and class. And no one has a DVD player and the library doesn't have any DVD players. And so I'm the only person on campus with a fucking DVD player in my office. I'm not the only person, but I'm like offering to digitize DVDs for courses. But now it's happening in like an in-person class.

And I'm like, no, IT needs to buy some external DVD players. This is fucking stupid. They're incredibly cheap. Yeah. They're really cheap. I mean, you go into any grandma's basement. Just walk into a grandma's basement, not even yours, just anybody's. And there's at least three DVDs in there.

And also a Sega dream cast. I'll take that dream cast. I love to preserving the dream cast. Yeah. Like to get a dream cast. It relates to like the relationship between like libraries and piracy. and bootleaking and stuff. Like I once went to like the Utah Library Association Conference

and there was a really interesting presentation on, there was a Utah Academic Library talking about finding pirated, bootlegged copies of certain movies online, but where they were out of print and that was literally the only version of the film that they could find was like some torrented copy or something on like an illegal story.

streaming site or something, but they couldn't find it physically or whatnot. And so, you know, like in, um, United States copyright law, there's like, oh, if it's on a format that's not made anymore, they don't make the way to play it anymore, then you can get it and digitize it. And it's like legal and fine. But I don't think in copyright law, there's like stuff to account for like that situation where the only copy is like an illegal bootleg pirated copy. And so they talked straight up about like, what do you do in that situation? And, And they made like a, they put like a server, like kind of like what you might do for like, and like electronic course reserves or something where they would upload the video,

the they would get a copy the video or something. They'd download a copy of it and put it on their server and where like only like the class that it was on reserve for or a person who was checking it out could access it. But they were straight up like, this might be illegal, but showing that like that's a risk libraries are going to have to. to start taking for certain materials. And so it was a really interesting presentation. And like, especially for anime, I can only imagine that, like,

if libraries want to take seriously anime as, like, an information need of patrons, that they're going to have to get comfy with bootlegs and piracy. And, like, thinking of ways to show that information if people might not have the right technology to play it, or if there wasn't an officially sanctioned like English, dub or sub or something. Yeah, like it creates a lot of problems. I don't know if a lot of public grieving libraries are really prepared to handle right now. I highly, highly doubt there are very many public libraries who would even start to tackle that because that becomes like a massive resource sink for a very specific thing. And from what I understand, public libraries generally

kind of stay away from that. But yeah, it would be, it would be cool if that was possible. I mean, if it's an archival need, libraries have pretty like almost immunity from copyright law. Like if you just want to preserve something. But when it comes to circulation, it becomes an issue. So you can back up pretty much anything you want to if you're a library. But the big problem is like, I'm worried because what I was talking about earlier with the DVD players being less prevalent. Like if the public library doesn't have DVD players, are they going to stop buying DVDs? which I think would be a bad idea because if you're relying on the streaming services entirely, like one, they might not license to you.

They almost certainly won't license to you. In fact, the only thing I've seen is like CrunchRoll and Funimation will give you an anime club license if you're a library, which is great because like I love like a little workaround. But and like take advantage of that now before they take it away because like they will eventually. That's how I have a pro Canva account is like, I have a. one as a academic library and it's like i just got grandfathered in while they were like yeah we give free ones to libraries like cool and they were like we stop doing that so yeah i would still say dvd circulation is best and just keeping dvd players and buying separate dvd players if your computers don't come with them anymore because honestly it's kind of silly because dvds are such a good

preservation medium they last for decades they're pretty sturdy they're like if i was telling someone to preserve something, I would tell them burn it on a DVD because it's better than tape in most cases. It's better than VHS. It's better than a hard drive. Probably better than most solid state drives you can get. Yeah, just put it on an optical disc. It's a good

technology. It has to spin, but like fine. It can even stand up to some pretty serious scratching. Yeah. You can scratch a DVD and like it might skip when you're watching a movie, but it doesn't damage it that much. And you can fix scratches. Yeah. It's barely

repairable too. And like I would think that actually music CDs will probably go away in public libraries before DVDs do because DVDs are still massively popular. And they're pretty cheap. And they're pretty cheap. And I don't think places upsell those too much unless you're buying them like with like I know some academic libraries will buy DVDs with public performance rights to cover like classes and student groups and stuff screening them. just in case, and that always drives the price. It's like a package from Swank, probably. Yeah, like, I know that's a thing that can happen, but otherwise, I think that's one of the region, like, one of the areas of collection development where if you're just buying a DVD that you don't get upsold too much. Yeah, I definitely wouldn't rely too heavy on streaming services, crunch your role, Funimation. They're fine.

But you also have, like, especially thinking about anime, like, being imported, you have, you have like multiple levels of people that or like companies or whatever that you're relying on to provide this for you. So it's like, you know, you have the studio who makes it. Like you have their distributor. Like then you have, you know, licenses and, and, and people, you know, in the U.S. and stuff. So it's like at any point in that chain, somebody could be like, I don't really feel like continuing to, continuing to give people access to, I don't know, space battleship Yamato. So we're just going to pull it. And then every. everybody else down the chain, like, there's just nothing they can do about it.

So. Saban was just a dude, right? Like, he was just like, I like anime. And Sabon did all these licensed dubs because whatever. Japan didn't know what to do with the licenses. So they're like, yeah, Piccolo, his name's Big Green. If you haven't seen the Dragon Ball see Sabon dubs, you have to. If you, it's...

That's right, boys. Mondo Koo. I know cool. Most of what I know about Dragon Ball Z comes from like in high school when like YouTube poops were a big thing. And Dragon Ball Z was like used in all of them. That's like all that I know about Dragon Ball Z. And it's going super saying and happens.

I just remember watching a lot of bleach on YouTube when I was watching bleach. And it's like cut up into like three different parts. So they can try to get around that. And then like you have to find the same users. three different cuts because you could like start like if you click on the wrong one you've got like you're in a completely different spot than you were before and it's a completely different like dub or stuff. These days don't know about how YouTube couldn't go about like 10 minutes.

And then like you you'd maybe miraculously find a list of like one person had like made a list of like several episodes and it would be up for like three weeks and then get like canned because of like copyright. Yeah, like. I watched all of, oh my God, what's it called in America? Ronan Warriors in 10-minute chunks on YouTube. And like also like to search for it, like often they'd have to like type it backwards or all this other stuff. So you had to like know how to like search for things.

I'm Saban. I imported Maple Town Newsles, Funky Fable Samurai Pizza Cats, the first three Digimon series. also did Power Rangers, Big Bad Beetleborgs, VR Troopers, Masked Rider. Oh. Which is an interpretation using Common Rider Black RX. Oh, interesting. Okay. And then also did Super Mario Bros. Super Show Inspector Gadget and first two dub seasons of Dragon Balls.

Swing your hips. From side, you said, come on, let's go do the Mario. Oh, my God. Wow, I just had like a few state flashback of watching that Super Mario Bros. Super Show theme song. Remember, the police can't stop crimes. This is probably going to date me like seriously. But every morning of fourth grade, I woke up an extra half an hour early so I could lay on the couch and watch Samurai Pizza Cats. Hell yeah.

On TV. And like, I have never been able to find it as an adult. Like, I would seriously nostalgia rewatch that from beginning to end just because I remember. so very little about it, but it was like, I was obsessed with it for my fourth grade year. It is currently licensed. It's currently licensed by discotech media. So I don't know.

You can watch the first season on Peacock. Okay. An American entertainment company based in Altamonte Springs, Florida. Oh, hey. Anybody wants to get me. Fucking Florida. But anybody wants to find me bootleg copies of Samurai Pizza Cats. Just hit me up on Twitter.

Yeah, if you're a first-time listener, and it's not clear, we are librarians who are pro-piracy. So please send us all your bootlegs. There was a video game. So they did Madman Entertainment, Blu-ray in 2016, every episode in standard definition on a single disc. Ooh, fancy. So the most recent release was 2016, so I don't think it's streaming anywhere. So you have to get the DVD. Samurai Pizza Cats, the complete collection on Blu-ray.

Let's Google that. On Blu-ray, though, so that's got to be a pretty nice definition. I wonder what kind of special features. Oh, yeah. $34. It's reasonable. On Amazon. All right.

It's our library punk Patreon that's not real. So that's Sadie can put it on the wish list. The pizza cats. I think we own a DVD player, but we don't own a TV. Mm-hmm. Oops. I have an M-Disc player that doesn't play anything. It's supposed to play DVDs, Blu-ray's,

m discs and it just doesn't do it it started to play the crow and then didn't and i was like okay one of your multiple many copies of the crow yes well i mean i have one dvd copy it's a good movie the crow so good jesus christ the crow would be a good anime arthur you're so cute have you ever done the thing where you um they because there's the soundtrack to the crow but There's also the mix tape for the crow that you're supposed to listen to while you read the graphic novel. No. No. It's a good experience.

I recommend. I'm like deep Justin lore about how much you like the crow. Is that like? I was in a horror punk band. Do you think I didn't fucking read like every version of the crow that existed? The crow makeup. So you have to like press play and start reading? Yeah, basically.

It's like Wizard of Oz and the one. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. You hit play and you start reading and it's supposed to sync up with basically how fast you would read it. Oh, my God. But also, also the soundtrack for the movie The Crowd was pretty good. Every night I burn. Ever night off all.

Uh-oh. You don't want to get dinged. I like the 9-inch Nails cover of the Dway Vision song. It's pretty good. So I think we covered everything on the list. There we go. What are like if a library were to collect some anime to circulate and considering all of the complications that we've discussed around like length

and other things. Which anime do you think libraries like public or academic or whatever? Which anime do you think libraries should like buy up other collections? That's really tough to answer because like there are, this happens to me a lot because people come to me And they're like, hey, I've never watched anime before. Where should I start? And the question of what's a good anime for a non-animy person to start out with? And like what my favorite anime is do not match at all. So I have to like kind of remove my preferences from it.

But that's the thing is like there is an anime for every taste. You know, we have sports anime and romance and just, you know, nice people being nice to each other. So let me think. There are a couple that are really good to start out with that are just basically like blank slate ones. Cowboy Bebop, I think I always recommend to people. Samurai Champleu, if you are a little bit more advanced than that, I would probably say for more contemporary stuff, I really, really recommend My Hero Academia to a lot of people. It's basically like, what if the X-Men didn't suck so much?

And yeah, I think I would, it's tough because like you have to think about what other stuff like a person might be in. So a lot of, I guess, you know, sports anime, I'd maybe do like IQ is really good. Just in general, I like laid back camp. That's another one where it's just like nice girls talk about wanting to go camping. And then they get together and they go camping. And like, it's very low stage. And who doesn't relate to that? Yeah.

Exactly. Yeah. We all want to go camping all the time. Girls night, you know. So I think it depends. I think if you want to have a. recent collection to start out with, you really need to pick like one or two from a bunch of different genres. And a lot of them overlap too, you know, so there's not just, it's not just shown and it's

not just, you know, magical girl or whatever. Because like now they have all kind of blended into each other's genres. It's very like you got chocolate and my peanut butter situation these days. And I imagine like movies and then like shows that maybe have like a season or two and not ongoing things like bleach. Oh yeah. So like, like, like Evangelion or something. Yeah. Evangelion's great.

I would do maybe like Torridora. It's a very good like high school romance anime that only has like one season. Studio Ghibli obviously is a very good like place to start with. And they have really amazing dubs with like, you know, famous actors. Christian Bale is Howell and Howell's Moving Castle. And you've got like Liam Nieson is imponio like very like they got. good people to get into that. So you don't have to worry about like subtitles and stuff. I'm not a big. I don't really give a shit about the subs versus dubs thing. I think like there are anime that I watch

only in subtitles and there are anime that I watch in dubs because like I've watched them a million times. I don't really give a shit. And yasha is um is an anime where like I don't really care what the dub sounds like because I'm usually like doing something else while I watch it. So you're like, You'll be. Inayasha. Which is funny because that I forget his name, but the actor, the English actor for Inuasha is the season four or five actor for Ranma in Ramma one half. The first couple of seasons, it is played by a woman and I forget her name too.

But then after like, yeah, season four or five, they switch over to the Inuasha actor. Sarah Strange. Sarah Strange. I distinctly remember because I remember watching it in sequence and then like the fourth season or whatever. being like, why the fuck did Ronma's voice, boy voice? Yeah. Why is he like, uh, yeah. And I looked it up and was like, oh, shit, that's a woman.

Yeah. And she did a great job of being like, pretty fruity. Very different, you know, in, um, in her like male voice versus her Ronma female voice. So I love that. Richard Ian Cox. Yes. Richard Ian Cox. Thank you.

Dick Cox. Love it. Good stuff. That's a, that's that person's real name. That's his, that's his government. My middle name in there too. Why don't trans guys get inventive with our names like that? Like just sounds straight up like drag kings.

Like why aren't we naming ourselves dick cocks? Yeah, or like Patty O'Furniture. Why are we doing that instead of we being like Victorian orphan boys or Aiden or not being dick cocks? Like we need to get our inspiration from boogie nights. Like that's what needs to be happening. That's my stance on such matter. Oh, you got me. On that note.

No, no disrespect to all the Aden's out there. Yeah, lots of A names. It's always the joke is like trans people get into the book of names. To get into the book of names and never get past the A's. Yeah. And right now, the names du jour for trans guys, we all sound like starving Victorian orphans. We're like Julian or Oliver, Sebastian.

It would be funny if you picked a name that was like, not in vogue when you were a kid, but like is in vogue now, so you're like... That's what's happening. Kyeligava. Is that? Or Baruto? Yes. Oh my God.

I'm waiting for a trans girl to name herself. Yeah, we need more Kirkyera names. I just want to be named Pikachu. Where's the trans girl to be a queen and name herself, Kalee. Like, I,

back when I was a page, I remember checking in a book and like you would find shit in books, right? And I found this adorable picture of this baby who was maybe like nine months old and it was very clearly like first like photo shoot with like developing baby. And I flipped it over and the kid's name was Zadain. And I was like, oh my God, I'm such a nerd. And this person is such a nerd. And it was when it first hit me that I was like old enough to have a child that I could name after a final fantasy set like a final fantasy character i was like how many separoths are out there there's definitely clouds oh yeah but how many people actually went full like sepheroth i'm curious

go bigger go home trans folks out there i guess of either gender i don't know what your preferences are name yourself sepharoth vivi viz more sephoroths out there any more vivi yeah's the child youtube called zadang good that's that's probably the same person we need more sassikaze we need more nari toes. What does Zadain stand for? It's a right more trans girls. It's a dude with a monkey tail. That's all you need to know. I'm naming my son, son Bukong. Like all the like trans lesbians like get your names from revolutionary girl Utna.

Like why is that not happy? Why are there more anthies out there? Anthony, yeah. Utina slaps. It's so good. It's so fucking good. I was showing my friend Eve like the first three. episodes because that's that's the thing is like you have to at least especially in anime you have to watch at least three episodes to what to determine whether or not you're going to be like into it or

not yeah it's like twin peaks yeah um so i showed my friend twin peaks in anime twin peaks could be an anime twin peaks is like that'd be a good anime because it's a soap opera yeah yeah anyway utana with your friend oh yeah i just showed them the first three episodes of utana and they were like this is my shit where it's been all my life so and i was like yeah Thank you. You're welcome. Yeah, everyone out there go watch the show, Utana, as well as the movie where they turn into lesbian cars. Cars too?

Crash two. Oh. No, they turn to lesbian cars and it's beautiful. Yeah. No, Uttin is so good. Tata, Ume, Mukushitoku. Yeah, it's a score slap. It's great.

Incredible, yeah. You'll never get that song out of it. your head. Ever. Okay, Leslie, do you want to do your plugs one last time just in case the recording's all funky? Yeah, sure. So I co-host a Buffy, the Vampire Slayer, um, rewatch and review podcast called Fangs for the Memories. You can follow us on Twitter at Fangs podcast. We also have a Patreon where we do like, just shoot the shit episodes where we talk about stuff that we go on mini tangents in the main episode and then we stop ourselves and say, oh, no, no, no, we're going to save that for Patreon episodes.

So that is patreon.com slash thankscast. So and then if you would just want to follow me, I am at Dangit Leslie on Twitter and Instagram and all that stuff. So that's where I'm at. Okay. Oh, and me and Justin were on episodes of things and memories. Yes, we had both of you on. It was incredible.

You should go listen. Neither of us watch. So that episodes are very fine. No, we love it. We love indoctrinating people. Yeah. And Leslie and I are going to watch. Twin Peaks for the first time and it'll be we'll do a podcast about it. I don't know. Yeah. I watched

Twin Peaks is so good. Well, I watched the first episode but previous to that, someone had billed it to me as a sitcom. No. No. Yeah. So I was so in shock that I was like, this is the worst thing I've ever seen in my life and I will never watch it again. But I think now that I'm out of that headspace and I can like come to it as it is, knowing like who David Lynch is, and like his whole fucking deal. I think I can get through it a little bit better this time. So when peaks is my favorite. Okay, whatever. Stay spooky.