librarypunk - 100 - We Made It

Episode Date: August 10, 2023

We do the closest thing to a bonus episode. We get meta: lifting the veil on how we do the podcast, what we listen to, and the friends we’ve made along the way. Also lots of copyright, AI, and Georges Bataille.  Media mentioned https://www.techdirt.com/2023/08/08/the-fear-of-ai-just-killed-a-very-useful-tool/ https://blog.shaxpir.com/taking-down-prosecraft-io-37e189797121  FSCI event: https://semanticclimate.org/p/en/events/fsci2023_event/ Carl Malamud corpus: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02895-8 https://trashfuturepodcast.podbean.com/e/wet-tyrant-contest-feat-patrick-wyman/ https://tendersubjectpod.podbean.com/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Story_of_the_Eye Acid Horizon episodes https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/georges-bataille-sustainability-and-climate-change/id1512615438?i=1000623479739 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/georges-bataille-sustainability-and-climate-change/id1512615438?i=1000623904471 Stuart Kindall biography on Bataille https://www.amazon.com/Georges-Bataille-Critical-Stuart-Kendall/dp/1861893272/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lingchi Cargo Cult podcast https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cargo-cult/id1687043930 Good Omens https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1869454/

I'm Justin. I wonder if my little desk fan is going to pick up. My pronouns are he and they? I'm Sadie. I work at a public library. I have a headache right now. My pronouns are they then? And I'm Jay. I live in Boston now. And my pronouns are he, him. I am no longer living, free, and dying. Living free or dumping? I have no idea what the Massachusetts logo is. It's probably something stupid. I mean, you can't say it on air. You know, nothing goes as hard as live free or die.

The free or die is pretty good. It's pretty good. It's pretty good. Arthur, what do you think? Apparently don't mess with Texas is like an environmental anti-litter campaign. It is. I guess where Kim from? I listened to a maintenance phase or you're wrong about episode that mentioned it.

I think maintenance phase. It's from the 80s. Okay. It's episode 100. Cool. I'm sorry. I started looking through our old, like the old titles. of our, all of our episodes.

And I just Googled Library Punk to see what popped up. And there's something from four months ago in our libraries on Reddit that was just, does anyone here listen to Library Punk? Really? It's not a whole lot of comments, but there's like, here I'll drop it in the chat. Weird. I stopped checking our libraries. But it's, it was really weird because it's like pod bean, Twitter, like all of the places

I expect and then just Reddit, which I have been reading a lot of lately. That's so weird. What's the premise of the podcast? It's just people saying I don't know about them, but I'll go check it out. Oh, no. Yeah, what's up, Redditors from four months ago? What's up? If you found us through that Reddit thread, let us know.

Yeah, I haven't looked at the Reddit our libraries in a long time because it all became just news reposts of book band stuff. Well, it's way more active than it used to be. Maybe everyone from Twitter went to Reddit. Maybe. Wasn't there some bullshit with Reddit recently? Yeah, they did the same thing with their API and a bunch of moderators went, like, shut down the forums, the sub-subredits. I don't know what ever happened with that. Pretty much nothing, unfortunately.

Yeah, I figured. I've been learning how to use R to pick up stuff from APIs. So now APIs all cost money, so I'm never going to use it. It's fun, though, isn't it? It is really fun. You just pull, like, a bunch of stuff and just go, yeah, pull me like 700,000 records. Yeah, can I get a fucking... Put them in a tibble, which is like a table, but you can't look at it.

Forbidden table. You got to tell it to turn into a different thing that you can read. There's also like R markdown, which is really fun, where it's like, you can like write markdown files that have R in them. And so it's almost like a kind of like a Jupiter notebook kind of thing where you can like do our stuff within a document. Then it's like interactive. So like computes.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. everyone's kind of obsessed with the quarto books. Yeah. Which have computational stuff. I thought you kind of already could do this with like existing get pages. But yeah, you can put R in it and you can put Jupiter in it and it'll compute in the document for you.

Yeah, Jupyter notebooks have it. There's like a org mode, like Emacs thing that does it. R does it. There's a few different. Nice link. It doesn't work, say. Sadie, what the fuck? Shit.

You're the tech person. Sadie just posted their world's longest Google link. But I bet it's because I have a link shortener add-in. Yeah, that was it. No, it didn't work for me either. Hold on. Okay. Brief reviews of books and products library funk.

This year. Oh, JLSC. They're cool people. I didn't know they were doing reviews of podcasts. Do they like us? They spelled Carrie's name wrong. Oh, no. Oops.

But this came out this year. That's so strange. Yeah, we have a head carry-on in like... Over a year. Yeah, a year and a half. In the second episode, intellectual freedom no step-e. This is like the first 10 episodes. Oh, God.

No, there's episode 70. Okay, so it's... I'm so self-conscious. They're active on their Twitter account. If there are editing cuts, the listener cannot tell. Oh, goodness. Are they complimenting your editing? Yeah, Justin makes good use of samples and music.

Nice. Oh. Includes show notes of citation. URLs, other print information, something like that would help their accessibility would be to make transcripts available. That takes so much time. So much time. That's why no one does it. I mean, you could do it. You can use tonics, which is what I did to do transcripts one time, but it still took me like seven or eight hours.

Yeah, like, we wouldn't, I would say like we probably won't ever do transcripts unless we get a Patreon where we could have money to hire. someone to do it for us, you know? Basically. Like to get like a professional service to do it. Yeah. If someone wants to volunteer to do it. Then fuck it, do it. Yeah.

Yeah. Like, I don't know. Like for my master's thesis, I had to transcribe interviews. It takes so much fucking time, especially we cross talk because we're bad at podcasting. And how to fuck do you transcribed cross talk? I mean, you up, you have to have separate audio tracks is how? Yeah, but like, how do you notate that, like in the transcript? Yeah.

Because I edit it, and then I would have to re-upload it into Sonics, which is why the transcript version, and that one episode for the Disability Archives, is actually not shortened the way that I normally edit, because the shortening happens after I mix down the tracks. Because otherwise, it would cut the silences between the individual tracks. So it would just be, it would get everything wrong. References, metadata anarchy. My pride and go hurry.

Yeah, this is more or less the way that I sent that APA reference. example for that one student who asked how to cite us. I never write Carrie's name in any of the episode. That's that way they don't know how to spell it. I'm just thinking about that now. I'm like, how did... Yeah, I don't think we ever put our names in anything at all.

We just say them. It must have been in the episode descriptions. No, they weren't. I don't think so. Well, thank you, Lizzie Walker. My name is Jay, and it's spelled J-A-Y for posterity's sake. Yeah, it's Justin with a J. not Dustin.

You don't meet that many Dustin's around here. I also don't meet any Justin's. It's nice to be in a Justin free area. I don't like other people having my name. All right. I've got a news item before we do. What's essentially a bonus episode, because we don't have an agenda except memories.

We're going down memory lane. Everyone's mad. All the time. So, yeah. So finally, blue sky is like picking up enough. I'm following enough people that I'm, I'm getting, like, breaking discourse about stuff. And speaking of R, actually, I'm going to link to a tech dirt article just because it was the easiest one.

Obviously, it's a position on this, which I more or less agree with. There was a AI program that was trained on author's books called Shakespeare, and it's spelled S-H-A-X-P-I-R. Good name. Yeah, yeah. You know, I'm back and forth on using a Kai in the middle of a... a URL, like archive.org and archive.org. Because then, like, verbally, you can't distinguish them. So you have to, like, write it out and be like, no, this is the ARXIV one, not the ARCHIV one.

How very Derrida of you? Yeah, that's what I was thinking about. I mentioned in a chat, the 2005 movie White Noise and someone thought I was talking about the postmodern novel. Mike, that's very flattering that you think that was what I was talking about. It's a horror movie, right? were like dead people's like voices and conversations linger after death because of something. Yeah, they come through the TV white noise static.

I remember that movie. Yeah, that was one of the, that was in my movie watching phase or that was how I got out of the house in high school. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that was the dry handy in the movies. I was saying, if you fucked doing that one. I don't remember, but I know I saw it in the theater. If there's a movie that came out between 2004 and 2006, I probably saw it, just saw fucking

everything. But anyway, this Shakespeare project uses, it's been around for a few years, apparently, but it got picked up on, I believe, Twitter. It's built on top of something called Prosecraft. And Prosecraft is a corpus of books that have been scanned, books that are in copyright and are used to pull out statistics. So basic digital humanity stuff. Yeah, basic digital humanity stuff, which is what makes this a little bit like, hmm, also because it's already been around. Yeah. This is literally just shit you can do in Python. This is, yeah, this is stuff you would do in R or Python or anything else. And the whole thing has been people getting quite mad that their book is analyzed in this tool. It's not available

in full text. It's that your book is available to be like how much passive voice, how many non-L-Y adverbs? The things that we've been doing in Hottie Trust for like a decade. Yeah. And the one thing that kind of is, I don't think has ever come to head. So scanning books and using them is clearly fair use. Like that's more or less my position from the Google case is like this is transformative use. Transformative use is fair use? But the question is like, how do you get access to these books? And obviously he had to use like a bunch of pirated versions, right? Yeah. And the question is if you if you initially access something, is that a violation of copyright rather than scanning it yourself? Is it the manner in how you access it, an issue? That is a good question. Yeah, I'm not really sure. It would definitely have an issue in terms of like DMCA, like the person hosting it. But, and if you were downloading, I mean, that's always the thing.

Whenever they get people on like music piracy stuff back in the day, it was always the fact that they were also sharing it. Yeah. So if you're only leaching a download and you're not sharing it back out, you know, I don't think you would normally get caught. Right. It depends. I mean, I think some people have done. definitely gotten caught that way with like music stuff. But anyway, he didn't do his own scans.

It's not clear how he got access to a lot of the books. He gave a pretty long statement about when it happened. So it was in 2017 when it launched and started showing it off at conferences and people liked it and has continued kind of using it. And then he talks about something I'm interested in, which is AI, in quotes, becoming a thing. And that's caused a lot of like a political backlash, which is like sensible, right? But it's also like this shit isn't AI, right? It's not, I don't think this is even a large language model.

I think this is just like statistical analysis. Yeah, this is like cinnamon analysis and shit, right? I think so. I think Shakespeare was doing something a little more on top of that. And it was like it was spitting out some writing. Yeah. But it wasn't spitting out the work that had been scanned. Yeah.

I like the point that this article. makes that like people latching on to the copyright argument as a way to combat this is not the right tactic. Because we've been saying

that since day one. That is not the route we want to go. We don't want stricter intellectual property laws. And like these kinds of tools are really important for research. The digital humanities has been doing this shit for decades.

Literal decades. Like, this is literally what digital humanists do all of the time, right? Like, it's important that we be able to do this with works that are in copyright. And this article is correct. You don't need, quote, consent from an author or a publisher in order to do this. And I think that that's a really dangerous way to use the word consent when talking about, like, research and, like, creative works and transformative works and shit. Like if you were like that that stop that shit like that actually makes me really mad when people frame it that way. You are not being violated by people doing research or creative analysis or whatever.

This is all fine. Now, what I will say is again, this isn't necessarily like AI in the way that we're thinking of. But like when is it important even when the like technology is agreeable? Like, you know, I think this is a cool tool and like people should be able to do this. But when do like, because the Luddites weren't just like they weren't anti-tech. It was, this technology is going to be taking our jobs and hurting our livelihood. So we rebel against the tech, not because tech bad, but because the people will use the tech to exploit us. So when do we, even if it's a cool tool or agree with how like its potential use is like, oh, we could use this for liberatory or revolutionary or just cool research.

Like, we could use this in a good way. But when do we go, no, because of the fact that this tool could be used to exploit, when do we say we just need to smash the looms regardless, right? That's where I'm kind of conflicted right now of like, this is a cool tool. And I think people are being reactionary in how they are treating the relationship between intellectual property and this kind of tool. But also, when do we just smash the looms? Yeah, there's a difference between like the copyright issues

in terms of, like, you have to have a license to do AI work would be like a really bad position to take because that's going to entrench all of the largest AI businesses. So that's going to entrench meta, Google, Microsoft, and they're going to be the only ones that'll have to do any of this stuff. And also, it's going to add a layer to copyright law that doesn't currently exist, which is like, you know, there's fair use. Like, copyright doesn't extend over fair use.

We need fair use. Yeah. copyright's bad people it's bad like stop bootlicking for intellectual property laws do you want to talk bob higers dick stop sucking bob higers dick there's better dick to suck i promise it's that meme the leftism leaving people's bodies when you talk about intellectual property yes oh it frustrates me so much hate it arthur what do you think arthur got up on the table arthur do you want to say hi to everyone listening to episode 100 of the podcast by rubbing up against the microphone buddy yeah Arthur.

Justin, if Arthur says hello by rubbing up against the microphone, you better not edit it out. Yeah. Hi, buddy. When I rub it's a microphone? He's thinking about it. He's thinking about it. He'll do it.

He says hi when I'm like talking to someone on the phone or on the computer. Maybe your ton of voice is different. And that's why he's like, I don't have to rub it right now. Yeah. He's running up against my beer. My cruising poster, I haven't. RIP, William Friedkin, by the way. The baseball player?

Yes. Episode launch, baby. He doesn't give a whole lot of, uh, explanation of how he got access to a lot of the books, but it was probably like Libgen or something or something he's able to scrape. So, yeah, I don't think there's ever been a case where the means by which you get access to something, because this is also in the FSCI, the Force 11 Scholar Communications Institute, I just took a couple classes with them. And part of the corpus they're working on is the Carl Malamud database, which is hosted in India, I think. And that has been the target of

copyright take down notices, I guess. But he's doing the same thing. He's building a corpus of like all scholarly articles and then using it for data analysis. So I don't know, people are totally fine using it for all kinds of different stuff, but they're using it for climate change information. They're trying to figure out how to extract data from PDFs, which is obviously, yeah, really, really hard to do because PDFs are images, not text files. So they are not good.

It was weird that there was a huge backlash. to buy a bunch of authors. And then it continued when people were kind of like explaining like why this was fair use. And I saw some really like angry responses to that. I was like, yeah, but wrong. Fair use exists even for uses we don't like. Yeah, more or less. That is one area where that is really important that that be true.

Yeah. Yeah. And also, I mean, it's certain things you just don't put out there if you don't want them. Yeah, like people can criticize your work. Accessible. Yeah. Where was it that I was reading something about Tanguli-related? I think it was movies where they would make it so film critics couldn't see the films ahead of time

so they couldn't write reviews for them until release day, but then they would do like screenings with like a bunch of influencers and stuff and tell them to feel free to tweet any of their positive thoughts, basically seeing the field. And it feels like that's what a lot of people think is how it's. should work. Yeah, especially like, it's like, you published,

you wrote a story and you decided to publish it. Like, it's out there. You don't have, you, you no longer have total control over it. So like, yeah.

Yeah, there are definitely, like, different situations where that's true. I definitely feel weird about when people are like, don't re-blog stuff on social media sites, because I'm like,

well, that's a social aspect. You have, like, rules about how you conduct yourselves on different social media sites. But, like, the act of publishing and critique,

has been around for a long time and it's like you know those mores have already kind of been worked out which is like it's out there anyone can say whatever they want about it and that's important yeah that was uh the only news that i put in there because i take all the other bad news and i just throw it into a document now and go yeah we'll just do an episode on that so i've got uh one two three four five six stories sitting in a document now yay uh yeah honestly not a lot on the mutter museum so that episode's still like sitting around waiting. I guess they're just working on that all summer and maybe they'll make some announcements in the fall.

But yeah, I, I've still got the mudder dropped. So what am I going to, when am I going to do the episode? Rorschine's bad now, though. Canceled. They were always bad. They're canceled, which is actually I like Rompstein a lot. I used to listen to Romstein like in the morning, like, on my way to, like, German class on days I had tests.

That and Einstein didn't know about him, you know. I guess you can listen to oomph unless they did something bad, too. Or D-Tottenhausen. That was the news. Episode 100, what was your favorite episode we did? It's not in the notes, but see, we've been doing this two and a half years now. Like, ever? It's wild to me.

Just one week at a time. Honestly, like the first, like, 40 episodes, I have a hard time remembering what we covered. Because I don't have them on my desktop. So I have to, like, scroll through our website to get to them. I scroll back with two. I still have it up. I scroll back to episode 50, just looking through, like, the titles on Podbean. It's like, oh, yeah, oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah, we did talk to that person. Oh, yeah, we did talk about that subject. I don't know. I have a hard time, like, going back and listening to our early episodes. I mean, I have very fond memories of, like, I mean, like, I don't know, we've had really cool guests on. And, like, sometimes we'll get guests on. I'm like, how the fuck? did we get this person on?

Or like, I remember like, or Vanguard, we didn't ask them to be on. They asked to be on. I was like, what the? Like, that was really cool. And now I'm like really good friends with, with them, right? Like, that's weird.

Like, I've made friends through this, like, podcast. Like, I'm really close with some people now because of like stupid episodes that we've done. Podcasting is for making friends. It's not actually about. Podcasting is for making friends. Exactly.

Epis is. I really liked. Just because of like subject matter, I thought the human trash dump episode, like I still think about that a lot with like the person who like did all that stuff with like made like a little like human trashed up like internet archive thing and like did stuff with Tumblr and like the fragmented body and like protest and all that. I thought that performance arts online. Yeah. Like I just thought that was a really cool and I still think about it a lot. And I want to clarify if we mentioned that we really like an episode with a guest on it, we're not saying that if you aren't that guest that we like you less or that we liked having you on less. This is not a judgment of the

guests. I have a spreadsheet if you want to know how much I like you. Yeah. Because I know, because I'm like, we're like, I'm like, I'm like, like, there are a couple of people who I, like, talk to you like every single day now because of this podcast. Like, people I'm extremely close to. Episode with Callan was way earlier than I thought. You have Callum back on. That's actually something I wanted to think about was what's changed over the course of this podcast is obviously Twitter's died. I have a new job since we started. Yeah.

So do I. I still don't, even though I have been in the waiting for a new job the whole time. But hopefully next month I'll move into my new job or some, I don't know when. I don't, I have no idea. Well, we changed toasts. That was a change. Yeah. We got a new theme song.

We did. We got new. Shats out to Audrey. Yeah, from Radio Free Toadbag. She has a GoFundMe right now. There was like a car thing that that happened. So we should put that in the notes that people can go give her money.

Yeah, I was thinking about doing that. Filthiest cock gobbling slut. Yes, if you liked Audrey, she did our banger theme song. And so you should go give her money, throw money at Radio Free Toe Bag, you know, all of that. Yeah, we don't want your filthy money. Go give it to Radio Free Filet bag. Go give it to Audrey, go give it to some strike funds, all that.

But yeah, a lot of people who made Twitter a lot of fun jumped pretty early. And so it's just been sort of a slow decline on Twitter of, like, most of my favorite library people left as soon as Elon bought the platform. And then it's slowly been a drop-off. And then after the whole rate limiting thing, like everyone just left. So I actually have been kind of tracking. like how many people are leaving. So every time our follower count goes below 420, I follow more people to get it back up to 420.

And it keeps going down. I have to keep following more accounts to get it back up. Because people are just dropping off the site that fast. Yeah, I'm only on because like podcast shit. Like, yeah, it's literally just for DMs. And yeah, that's about it. You know, keeping up with other podcasts I follow and like with my side, my other podcast and stuff.

That's a good. I thought you were going to say your side bit. Your side piece. Your side piece. No, I'd talk to them elsewhere. Looking at all the old cover art that I used to use, like Sonic on that one Soviet building, that one Brutus building.

Oh, when we had Agab on? For the Agab episode, I've got Kermik Gulag. I think the funniest thing that's ever happened on this podcast is Sadie Goan. He's got to go fast. I still remember that. That was one of my finer moments in life. That's how Horror Vanguard found out about us.

Yeah. It was the Agap episode, I think. I think so, yeah. Yeah. So what episode is like our top episode by like downloads or what other metrics? Probably internet archive, right? We don't have super, because like the metrics on Podbean are kind of wonky, which is good because it's not doing super surveillance on everybody.

And I don't use like Google Analytics or anything. Fuck Google Analytics, honestly. Yeah. It's definitely, it's probably the internet archive episode got the most track. But I mean like every episode's been slowly creeping up. Like, Homoosaurus did really good downloads all time. Yeah, you can't even sort by downloads. Oh, geez.

But yeah, Internet Archive has over 900. But every other, like, we have tons of other ones that have like 700, 800, so they all get about roughly the same download. Moms for Liberty has every 800. So it's just steadily creeping up, which is interesting considering again how, how hamstrung we are by losing a lot of reach on Twitter. we're almost at the point of getting more engagement on blue sky, even though we only have 110 followers.

I still definitely define a whole bunch of people. Well, you don't shitpost as much on the Twitter account anymore. I do replies. Yeah, you used to shit posts so much. Well, I get mad the moment I'm on Twitter, because all the ads are just like gold scams or whatever, and it's just becoming cable news. It's like, I can't be on here for more than like five minutes.

The inshittification of social media. We really need to do an episode on inshittification because it combines with this other thing where I think is really relevant for AI discussions, which is like instead of using copyright law to protect artists, we need to focus on contract law. And that's kind of like Corey Doctra's case in that latest book. But the thing is, I haven't gotten through reading that book. And so that's why I have been putting off doing an episode on... Chuffpoint capitalism. in chittification and choke points. Yeah, that was it. So different choke points of, basically that was what I was talking about earlier with creating these choke points for if you,

if you get a functional monopoly, one of the ways to do that is to get regulated by the government. And that's why all these companies are begging to be regulated, because that will just create the rules that only they can follow and that will cement them in power. There was, there was a good episode of Trash Future recently. That was, I think it was Patrick Wyven came on. and was talking about how people just sort of in different political times just kind of jump in and park on political power. And you can use that analysis for lots of things, including like monopolies, not just state formation or like, you know, how do people take power after the Romans fell or whatever? And it's like, well, someone just kind of parked on a plot of land and was like, I control this now through

various institutions that either already exist or I am creating through violence. Yeah, sort of just ways of parking and a space for yourself. So I really want to talk about that because it's going to be relevant for AI, but there's really just, I don't know how to go about it. And honestly, we should do a book club episode on it. A book clip episode? Yeah, we could. We haven't done a book club episode where we've all read a book.

Yeah, I've been meaning to read Showpoint Capitalism. And I'm going to have more free time. I mean, I already have more free time. And then starting September 1st, I'm going to have even more free time. Hooray. Yay. All good news. Holy good news.

Oh. That's from a bowling clip. Oh, Jesus. I'm scrolling through the pod bean and episode 80, the mom's relipiddy one. And it's like scrolling through the notes, scrolling, scrolling, scrolling, scrolling, scrolling, scrolling, scrolling through the notes.

And then I remember just exactly how, like, whack deep you went, Justin into this. And how you use that, like, always sunny thing with the, like, red yarn. But you were just Pepe, Sylvia. I'm just like, I still think about that. I still think about that episode a lot. Just like going deeper and deeper and getting wilder and wild

or how interconnected so much of this political shit is. And just, yeah. So I get totally see why the notes are 9 million years long, but it still just kind of cracked me up because that's the number one thing I remember from that episode is just like the endless deluge of words. links and stuff that were, as you were, putting the notes together for that one. It was a good time and a bad way, if that makes sense.

Yeah, I was mapping out a lot of names because I was trying to figure out how these organizations were connected and to see, like, okay, who are these people? So there's like a section of the notes where I just had to put in parentheses like what they do. And it was like a homeschool activist, TPSA, All Right, Grifter, Texas Republican Representative, Duck Dynasty guy's wife, Gousano Grifter, Trump Cabinet member

Border Security Grifter. Oh, yeah, motivational speaker who got armed bit off by a shark. That was the one I still cannot figure out what her deal is. Our shark comrades. Because she's not the swimmer. She's a surfer.

She's not the swimmer who is always anti-trans. I think it's a surfer who's probably anti-trans. Yeah. Yeah, she wrote a very god saved me by having a shark bite off my arm sort of memoir, if I remember correctly. Yeah. Yeah, doing that kind of stuff is not very hard for me to throw into notes and do research, but it's always been like a lot longer to actually write.

That's why I don't do much writing anymore because I'm like, I could put it on the podcast or I could just like put it out in these bullet points. And it's like, that's everything I want to say is in these bullet points. I have been thinking about podcasting in terms of like as a, format. I still think it's like one of the best ways to get ideas out there quickly. But, and I've definitely gone more with, I think I've been talking to a couple of people in the Scalcom shit talk to discord about like publishing. Like, do you bother publishing through a journal or are we just going to start throwing stuff on humanities commons and like, it's published now? Do we do we even need to put

these things in journals because like they're going to be out of date by the time? Or there's no reason to write this up formally. And we just need to get the ideas out there. And Twitter's not a good means of information dissemination. And neither is blue sky. Like micro blogging really is not, we've used it and we've made threads and stuff. We've made it work. But it's really not like a great way of putting information in one place and finding it later.

So using, you know, I mean, that's what blogs are really good at. And it's, you know, return with a with a with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, the, I don't know. I don't know. I just had to remember how to put code and mark down the other day. Because I'm, I'm writing a instructional log for how to, to teach the terminal. I was like, I'll put it in Markdown.

It'll look cool and it'll impress the instructors. I'll get a good grade in the carpentries. But yeah, we've got a spin-off podcast now. Oh, me? Yeah, how's that going? Yeah. It's going pretty good. We've got six episodes.

Yeah, mine's up next. Yeah, yours is up next week. I have to edit that this weekend. We're going to pivot away from doing movies for a bit. Just we're looking into, like, quote, professional criticism is not anything to do with the strike, but anything that might be like a watch-along or like promotion. It's like, are we promoting work from a struck studio, et cetera, et cetera. So for example, like we have some episodes coming out about the Hannibal show. We need to talk about like, are we so going to release those right now, which I would very much like to for lots of reasons. But we're going to try to, going forward until the strike is over, focus more on books and art and art. and culture, stuff like that. And yeah, it's been going really good.

I learned how to edit for that one. I don't know if I'm very good at it. I'm still figuring shit out. Yeah, it's been really cool. Sometimes I just need an outlet to be a pervert. And that podcast has been a good outlet for being all pervy but smart about it. Yeah, it's kind of the thing is podcasting tools haven't changed a huge amount. I think, I don't know if Adobe's going to like follow through with this,

they're making some tools that actually could be game changers, but I have no idea if they're ever going to make it out of beta. Yeah. Or if they're just going to, like, give up on it. Because, you know, most podcasts run on a shoestring budget. I guess there must be like a million and one corporate podcasts that would shell out money. And I guess that that makes money. But I guess the other other stuff, too, is like pretty expensive.

Like, Zencaster's cheap enough that, I mean, we could do this over Zoom. Like, I have a university Zoom. We could do it. But like... I know people who do it over Discord, and each person records locally on their end, right? Yeah. Or over Skype, et cetera. There are a ton of things that we pay for just to make it simpler.

There's also stuff that's way more expensive. Like, I was trying to think about, like, because Zencasters, like, made some changes I wasn't too happy with, and I thought about changing the way we record. But everything else is way more expensive and has way fewer, like, functions. Yeah. But since I have access to Adobe through work, it's like, oh, if they release like podcasting software, we are set. That's like free for me. Benefit of working at a university is a lot of universities will give you Adobe. Not all of them, but even at the tiny little private one I worked up, got Adobe.

And that was like kind of the best perk. Definitely wasn't the retirement. Arthur, are you sitting on the radiator, buddy in front of the air conditioner? Arthur, that can't be comfortable. Do you have enough room in your new place for Coup and Arthur to like lounge or they figuring out, They're new. Yeah, Coops in here with me.

There. Oh, okay. I thought that was a, yeah, I couldn't tell because it's the same color as the wall. Yeah. Yeah, Arthur is. That's not too bad.

He's on the radiator. I mean, Arthur can, like, explore the whole apartment, right? Yeah. I, yeah.

You could set up, like, little doggy doors on your fridge and everything or, like, your heater and stuff. I just watched Ace Ventura recently. I don't recommend it. It's way worse than you remember.

Did not age well. Yeah, I watched it with someone who was trans, and it was their idea to watch it. And I was like, okay, but we both know that there's like really bad scenes in this, right? And then there are way more than you remember because it just keeps going. And you're like, oh, God. I thought I was like, all right, well, that was bad, but we're through it now. And then it happens again. You're like, okay, well, we're through it now.

And then it happens again. I'm like, Jesus Christ. I forgot that movie set in Florida. I was like, oh, this is Florida culture. Of course it is. How accurate is the Florida representation? I mean, Dan Marino being everywhere, I would say being on TV a lot, that was genuinely funny to have Dan Marino in that movie and just being himself doing awkward commercials. That was genuinely a good bit.

Having watched Buffy for the first time and also watching 90s comedy, I'm like, wow, Ace Ventura reminds me of Xander a lot. God. So I was like, I feel like I'm watching like the origin story of Joss Whedon. That explains a lot. I was just trying to do Ace Ventura. That explains so much. I think it's a good theory. Jaws Whiten do not interact.

Yeah. Do not interact. It's just that list of Greg Universe and like a million properties on top of it. I need to do more podcast art. I'll put that in it. I know I'll be able to read that. No, mind. Oh, right.

I stopped earlier because I forgot. I lost my train of thought, but I wanted to bring up George Batai. Oh, yeah, that was why I haven't read the Corey Doctor book, because actually what I've been thinking about is George of Batai and deciding to, like, read a bunch of his stuff. So maybe I'm just going to be like get really into Baton for like the rest of the year. I've been wanting to read Batai, too, because of the story of the eye. Yeah, I've been wanting to read that.

I don't know who this is. So he's the dude that Hell Razor is based. A little bit. Can I get him a little bit more context? It's the easiest way to explain it. Yeah, he wrote this cool, wrote a lot. Weird, erotic, philosophical story

called Story of the Eye. Forget what that is in French. But, um... I know what I'm doing in my next Wikipedia dive. He probably did other things, but that's what I know him from, his Story of the Eye, because I'm a Purport.

That's all I... There were two good episodes on Asset Horizon that came out with someone who's been translating Batai and wrote one of those short histories in that one series. I'll link to those episodes because they're really good. But they were talking about Batai in the context of sustainability and how he's very much about excess. He's a contradictory thinker, so he thinks about both rules and taboos and then the breaking of those things. And people tend to focus on the more interesting, sexy part of like breaking taboos about torture and sex and limit experiences where you become other than yourself. So you're in a crowd of people.

You lose yourself. You're having sex. And there's a moment you lose yourself. He's like really interested in this moment where you lose your, where you are separate from the universe. And he's like searching for those moments where you are one with the universe and there is no anthropocentric view of yourself. Agreed. And he's like, obviously that's impossible to maintain, but we should have, like, moments where we allow ourselves to do those things. We go swim in the ocean because we want to feel overwhelmed by something, right?

I should read Batai. Right. You just sounds like right up your alley. That's all I agree with this already. I'm like, yeah, duh. There's a whole reason I went to do Zealand because I wanted to be overwhelmed. Yeah. That was why I sent it to Jay because I was like, you could do something on tender subject about Batai.

Because obviously, like the whole. his interpretations of Marquis de Saad and stuff. The thing I find very funny about him is he's like, he doesn't read very deeply. He's like a very interesting thinker, but he's not like super well read and everything. So he'll like start writing about like anthropology. And then some anthropologist will be like,

you're not up to date. And then he'll just like go back to his study and be like, ah, I've got to redo this. But then he'll also like reference novels that he just happened to read. And he'll like get really hung up on like a novel he really liked and keep citing it for like the next 10, years.

This guy's super relatable. Hoops among us, you know. Like people who keep referencing the same movies in their teaching career for like 20 years, referencing Blade Runner for 30 years. Fight Club. I feel like that's what Fight Club is or is becoming. Yeah, TV shows that are older than your students, that kind of thing. It's very funny.

So, yeah, he seems super relatable. So I really am thinking, like, you know, this could be my Batai fall. I also want to read Badoo because he wrote about love and revolution a lot and I'm like, yeah, I'm in that mood right now. The thing that might not make, because Bataia is like obsessed with this picture of torture

and that's like changed his whole life. Yeah, it's like I say you won't want to look this up, but it's like a type of torture that was like death by a thousand cuts or whatever. And he has a photo of one of the last times it was ever used. And

he would like keep it on his wall and like look at and like stare at it and he was he was like obsessed with this photo as a limit experience is it which which which which picture it's uh the i would like to see it the ling chi is that it oh yeah l-i-n-g-ch-i and then no i don't see the exact photo there's one but this is a different oh no this might be it yeah it's on the wikipedia but it's a yeah 1905 photo uh that's not going to be the episode art. Oh, nice. But yeah, it's a, it's a form of torture and, uh, in execution. Damn. So you can see the Hellraiser connection if you see that photo. Yeah. I think some of the Hellraiser monsters are actually based off of it. So that's how, if you, if you want to know how

gory the photo is, that's how gory. I wanted to bring up a tie on this episode because I, I think every podcast is going to start Patai posting. And I wanted to get in before everyone else does. That's a trend. Because everyone, all the cool podcasts are probably going to listen to Asset Horizon. They're all going to want to talk about Batai and I want to get in first before like Agab does it. Yeah, let's do a Batai book club. Just read the short story about pissing, pissing and butts. Hell yeah. Yeah. I think that's what the eye story is about.

There's a lot of things in the story of the eye. There's a bunch of essays he wrote that I want to get my hands on. So I was taking a bunch of notes while I was listening to the podcast, but it's, gosh, that podcast is so dense. It's so dense. And even their guest was like, okay, you said a lot of words right there. Let me try and unpack that. Let's talk about the solar anus.

Let's do that one. Yeah, the solar anus. What podcast? I feel a little lost. As a horizon. Okay. It's one of the spooky left podcasts. It's a tough one to get into.

Yeah, they're really dense. Sometimes it's scripted. I can't really listen to scripted podcasts because I need to, I can't pay attention. I need to listen to people having a conversation. And so if it's like someone reading off something, I'm like, I cannot. I can't do it. And they all talk in paragraphs, which is also, I think, the main thing that's, like, difficult when you have ADD. It's like, I don't remember how the sentence started.

Yeah, so Story of the Eye, increasingly bizarre, sexual perversions of a pair of teenage lovers, including an early depiction of Amorashi fetishism in Western literature. It is narrated by the young man looking back on his ex-istoire deluel. Yeah, that was one other thing I wanted to mention is just, like, on the state of podcasting, since it hasn't changed much, although there are. I've heard like a million corporate podcasts, but like I'm trying to think about how my listening has changed. Because I've always said that this, I was always trying to model us off trash future. So I still listen to them and like some of the related podcasts. But there's still a ton of others where, and we've got our own style by now, but at the beginning it was like that gave me some structure. I, the podcast I listen to now are mainly it's like my friends podcast

because of this show. Yeah. Like, it's like people we've had on. It's a lot of my adjacent. Because it's like, oh, because these are my friends. And I, it's like, maybe it's a little parisocial of me, but it's like, oh, I get to listen to my friends talk about something.

It's like, I know these people, you know. I mean, sometimes I'm not like super close friends. I think if your friends is just social. Yeah. It's one of those words I want to put on the shelf and be like, let's not use this word for like a year or so. I'm getting a little tired of the word parisocial. Yeah, because I am.

I am friends with some of these people. I like very close friends. Not all of them, but some of them. But yeah, it's like, I don't know. I mainly listen to a podcast where it's like I've either been on their podcast or they've been on this one or on Tinder subject and I'm friends with them. There's some that it's weird to think like which ones have died off in terms of like they're just over.

Like some like my major comfort podcast change hosts, like all the all the host changed. And I'm like, I don't like it anymore. I was really bummed about it. And that was my one non-political, non. It was just like I would put it on for background noise because it was like funny. And it still is that, but it's like it's not enjoying it anymore. It's not the same. It's just not the same.

And then I just see new ones pop up. And I'm always interested to see how people do their first few episodes and like, you know, release like a bunch in a row. And then they go tour on like their friends podcasts and they announce it and stuff. So like Cargo Colt is one of, I've taken some interest in and see like how they're going to build up. So they do like a tech podcast so that it's kind of along the trash future lines where they're talking about, you know, like venture capital stuff and tech stuff and like Neams, the line city and Saudi Arabia and all that weird stuff that some people are really into. And I'll listen to it, but it's not like my main thing. But a lot of these are podcasts that are tangentially related to each other, just sort of like by degrees of separation.

So like one person has been on them or someone we know has recommended it. There was like this Christian leftist podcast that Frank retweeted. And I just went through the Magnificast. Yeah, because they've been on Horror Vanguard as well. Mm-hmm. And that's all I know. Forever. Yeah.

Yeah. No, so the past year, my commute has included an hour, like a three and a half mile walk in the morning and in the afternoon. So I've been walking like 10 plus miles a day for four days a week for like a year. And so I've listened to all of Horror Van Gogh. guard every single one. I've listened to a good chunk of Poddam America. I'm starting to make my way through left page and hear me media. Yeah, I listen to a lot of YMAD. There's some I find hard to get into after they've already started for a long time. It's like, do I go back before COVID? Because like everyone's podcast kind of had to change format. So they had to, like, a bunch of people

had to learn how to use Zoom and were really bad at it, which was really funny. Some of the podcasts, I was listening to. I was like, oh, wow. I thought you guys would, like, be good with technology and you are all terrible at it, which is really charming in a way. I don't know. Sadie, what are you listening to? I don't really listen to podcasts.

Every podcast has to have the one person who doesn't listen to podcasts. They're really hard for my ADD. Like, I have to have been a very specific situation to be able to really, like, thoroughly taking a podcast. It doesn't stop me from aspiring to listen to the podcast. I have like, on my Spotify playlist is like a giant list of like different episodes of stuff that I want to listen to. But like if I need to concentrate, I need background music. And if I don't need to concentrate, then I can't listen to a podcast because I won't actually like absorb any of it.

I listened to Welcome to Nightvail a lot when it first came out like, you know, 15 years ago or what however one was. But that was when I was like Jay walking to work. So I had perfect amount of time to listen to one episode of Welcome to Nightbale on my walk to and some work. So I don't commute. I have like a 10 minute commute. I've tried podcasts when I did commute. It didn't really work very well for me. So yeah, I write down tons of suggestions from you guys and like especially like our guests because I don't think we've ever like my favorite part of being on this podcast is just getting to talk to the wide array of people.

And like you said, Jay, sometimes it's like, how the fuck do we get this person on here? Like, you remember my reaction when Jay, your friend, when I realized your friend was married to T.K. Fisher. And I just lost my mind for a second. But like, yeah. So like, like, we have all of these awesome guests who do really cool shit. And I'm always like wanting to listen to their stuff. And I just can't do podcasts. I don't even listen to our own half of the time.

But sometimes I do, especially when I'm working. And then I'm just like not actually working. I'm just sitting there like internally cackling at our bullshit. And hoping nobody calls me out of the fact that I'm not actually doing anything in teams. I'm just opening and closing it to look like I am. But, yeah, it's a very sad state to be in. I always like listen back. And part of that is because this helps me with my voice.

I haven't done. I did when I first started. transitioning. I did like six months of speech therapy. And then my speech therapist was like, you've graduated speech therapy, but also I'm a fruit. And so like my voice tends to like get and it's like upper register, which is fine, but I don't always have it resonating where I want it to. Nor is my intonation or my timbre or my phrasing, maybe where I want it to be, especially when I get really excited or something. And so listen to that at the podcast, it's like, okay, here's what I need to work on. Yeah, it was really funny when I was like, I really really.

need to get like an actual microphone. Ash from Horror Vanguard was like you need to get the same mic that I have because you cackle and so do I and this microphone can handle cackling. So it's like, you know, it's it's been a weird like gender experience for me to like hear my voice preserved and recorded. I don't think my voice has changed much. I think my voice is probably done changing. But like if I want to. to sound different or something. Because that's like my main source of dysphoria at this point

in my transition is my voice. But yeah, so it's like I both hate listening back to episodes because I'm like, I sound like shit. But also it's, I don't know, it's nice to like be able to hear this is what I sound like. Maybe I should change this or I need to pay more attention to this.

Whatever. Alas, I am not. I will never be a person who has like a sexy podcast voice. I do not think. I think you sound like the guy from if books could kill. Whenever I'm listening to that podcast, I'm like, which one, Michael Hobbs? Yeah.

Oh, yeah, because he's also on maintenance phase and used to be on, you're wrong about. Yeah, he's also gay. So, yeah. So I just have gay voice, okay. Because he's also kind of higher pitched and sounds very fruity. That's actually very reassuring. Thank you.

Yeah, because every time I'm listening to it, I'm just like, wow, this guy's voice is so similar to Jay's. Like, it's really, like, Fun canny. Thank you. And you get to listen to us twice, once when we record and wants to put it all actually together. Yeah, I have, that's, that's kind of why I haven't relistened to episodes recently. Did I go back and re-listen to, like, old favorites?

It's because after I'm done editing them, I'm like, I've listened enough. And then I just throw it out there and don't, like, relisten after all the edits. Yeah, neither do I for Tinder subject. Yeah, so sometimes, actually with a recent episode, I had to go back. back and do a little touch-up after I published it because our guest was like, wow, I sounded bad. I'm like, oh, let me go fix your audio a little bit then. It only took a minute, but I just had to change a little setting and do something. So, yeah, because of the changes in Zincaster, I've also had to learn new editing tricks even recently where it's just like, oh, yeah, I've got to learn I'd do this because Zincaster doesn't do it as well anymore.

It's strange. I hope it's not going to keep getting worse, but there's always other ways, other things we can do. Yeah. Have you met, have y'all met people at conferences or out and about or in any other situation that know about the podcast? I haven't been to a conference like since pre-COVID. So since before we started doing this and no, not really. But I don't really meet people. So I don't mention it to anybody I work with. I like deliberately go out of my way to not say that I'm on a podcast. Yeah. I've, I've been at a couple conferences since we started. where people knew about, once they, like, learned that, like, it was me, they were like, oh, I listen to library punk. I was like, oh, God.

Like, fuck. Like, I talk about, like, like, fucking on. Oh, my God. Like, I remember one time at my previous position in my annual review, the committee of reviewers mentioned the podcast in their review, even though I had not submitted it as part of my, like, annual review packet, because I do not consider this to be. like service or scholarship or anything. I do not do this professionally.

And yet like my fellow faculty mentioned it. I mean, I was being, you know, I was being systematically pushed out of that position anyway. So it was a form of harassment, in my opinion. They're like, well, you shouldn't have told us about it then casually. I'm like, oh, so I can't just mention anything in casual conversation around you if I don't want it to show up in my annual review. Okay, cool.

Thanks. Good to know. Yikes. Yeah. No, no. It was bad. Yeah. It's like boundary issues.

Yeah, no, it was bad. But like, yeah, I've been at conferences and people are like, oh, yeah, I listen. Or like I was hanging out with Leslie from Thanks for the Memories and one of their friends. And their friend is a librarian, the friend was like, wait a minute, are you Jay from Library Punk? And I was like, yes, I am. You got recognized. Yeah, because I was like, and Leslie was like, oh, yeah, this is Jay, my friend. He's a librarian and he does a podcast.

And they were like, are you? I was like, yes, that's me. Yeah, I'm on if books. could kill. I know. Yeah. You should do that. You should pretend to be Michael Hobbs for people who don't know what Michael Hobbs looks like. Yeah. Make it a different podcast that you claim to be on each time. Just feel like lore. Yeah. I mean, I've been on three, yeah, I've been on three episodes of horror vanguard now. So, and then we've been on radio free tote bag. And then I've been on Hearby Media once. I was on data transfer. I was very high. on that episode. I think they're cool with chaos on their episodes.

Yeah, I think you need to be a little high or drunk to be on data transfer. Well, I've been on our guest who's the husband of Ursula. TK. Fisher, yeah. Yeah, TK. Fisher. Yeah, I've been on his, like, productivity podcast. Productivity Alchemy with Kevin Sonny. Yeah, I've been on that one. I should reach out to him and get back on that one now that I'm in my new job.

Yeah, we should revisit some of our early guests. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, part of that has been, they're not on Twitter anymore. Yeah. So, like, how the fuck do we reach out to them? It's like, if I can't find them on Discord or Mastodon, some people I really don't have any way to contact. Let's get AJ Boston on again.

He's fun. But no, I also haven't been to any conferences in person. I forgot about ACRO. I should have gone. Yeah. I mean, at the Music Library Association, I had someone tell me that, like, all of the, like, policy wonks love library book. I was like, oh, okay.

All the Skull Common Policy people love us. Because we cover that stuff, like, as it comes out. That, like, the times that we've had, like, Kyle Courtney on, that people were like, oh, Kyle Courtney, we're not. And, like, they were, like, jealous of Kyle because he got to come on. That's funny. I was like, no, it's, I mean, I'm friends with Kyle, but, like, I was friends with Kyle since I was in grad school.

But I did, I did run into someone in a Zoom meeting who was a listener. Yeah. Like, early on. But I don't remember what context was at all. I just remember I was at my old place, so it was more than a year ago. And I was fully remote, but I'm like remote a lot of the time anyway. So I have no clear millenniation of when most people stopped being remote because my team's still hybrid. And like, it's summer right now.

So I've just been remote. I'm like, there's no one on campus. There's no reason for me to go in. That's all going to change its fall, probably. Yeah. I honestly know more people who know about the homosaurus, but they don't know anybody who is on the editorial board for the homosaurus. So most of the time, people know about the homosaurus, but don't know name recognition about me

that I'm on it until I tell them like, oh, I'm on the homosaurus. And they go, oh, wow. But more people know about the homosaurus than know about this podcast, usually. But they just, like, don't know anybody who's on the homoaurus. Makes sense. Yeah. I don't usually, like, run through the names of people on projects. Right.

Yeah. And because most of the time when I do, it's like, oh, yeah, it's a whole group of people. I have no idea about. Like, it's a separate little world of Skalkan people that are just, like, have been doing this in a different way for, like, a decade. And there are a whole separate ring of people. So, like, a lot of people involved with, like, FSC or Force Eleven, I've just never run into them.

I mean, I just, like, keep going to that. But it's, it's interesting. It's, like, kind of run, like, a conference, but it's also running into courses. So there's, like, a keynote, but then you do a little course. And it was cool. I recommend it. If it was, I don't remember it being super expensive. But yeah, I wanted to go to a conference this year, but they ended up, they hadn't decided

if they were going to be in person or not. And that was going to be my in-person conference that I was going to fly out to and get to travel. And I was looking forward to it. And they're like, we've gone, we're doing a virtual this year. I'm like, ugh, even though I had money budgeted for it. Like, oh, well, there's always next year. We're in the can't spend a dime part of the year. So everything is on hold.

We can't even buy books right now, even if a faculty member wants it. The more I learned about how the budget works for our university, than where I'm like, this is probably not legal the way the universities are all run. Like, all this stuff is supposed to be done and make advance, like, theoretically. Like, all this, like, your courses are all supposed to be planned early and all of your, your budget's supposed to be done early. And, like, everyone does everything at the last minute because the Board of Regents does everything at the last minute. So no one can plan anything until the Board of Regents votes on the budget.

They vote for the budget a week before the budget you're. begins. And that's why I can't hire anyone right now. Jesus Christ. Even though they could technically start on September 1st, we can't start hiring them until the budget is confirmed. And I'm like, that can't be in the law. The law is always like, you got to do this six months early. If you are one of the people who were jealous of Kyle Courtney, you can contact us more by email. We don't get a whole lot of emails because honestly Twitter's not great, but Blue Sky is also there. It's just library punk. And there's just no DMs on Blue Sky. So you got to shoot your shot in public and

just got to send it. Yeah, just Well, the email is also on our in our Blue Sky account, but it's Library PunkPod at Gmail, and so if you want to come on, we're totally cool with that. Do we have an Instagram? No, I don't like posting on Instagram. You can do it Instagram if you want to. It's meta. I know Tinder subject has one, but Kate does

everything for the... Kate does all of Tinder subject social media. Sometimes I'll, like, pre-tweet a shit post or read something, but like Kate does all of our socials on Insta and Blue Sky and Twitter. I don't really know how Instagram works. I just, I literally, I started following people and I unfollowed people. And I was like, no, I want this to be the bunnies and comics app.

So I just mostly follow bunnies and web comic artists and like four or five friends. I rarely make any posts on Instagram. And sometimes I'll make like little stories. And it's me just like making stories out of stuff from like the leather archives, like horny posts. And that's like what so much of my Instagram is. Yeah. And it's good. And honestly, I've kind of used it for DMs more since people aren't on Twitter as much.

So if I need to DM someone who's not on Discord, that's how I'll do it. Should we have a Discord? I'm getting over my hatred of Discord this past few months. Should we? I mean, because we don't have a Patreon. But yeah, we should, should we have a Discord if people can come hang out in the Library Punk Discord? I don't know. I feel like I'm at my Discord limit. Yeah, I'm in the HVD Discord. I'm in the RFTB Discord. I'm in the left page, Sheroom Media Discord.

I'm in Kyle's Discord. I support John on Patreon, as well as HP, so I'm in John's Discord. I'm not active in any of these, but I'm in there. I just, like, join them, and then I don't do anything.

I'm in the Western Kabuki Discord. I'm in that Skalkan one, but I don't look at it. I'm in the Girls Gets Jallo Discord. There's, like, a librarian one that I'm in, that I think is, like, invite only or something. Yeah, I remember. remember that one. Yeah, I left all the ones I wasn't active in. Yeah. So I'm only active in three. And I just left all the others. And there's only one that I've left that I'm not active in because it's related to work. So I'm in so many and I just never leave them. I just turn off notifications. I mute all the ones. Yeah, I was doing that for a while. But then I was just like, there's no point in being in these things to consider right in. Would you go in a Discord? Yeah. If you want us to make a Discord so that you can talk in it and we'll lurk and you can DM. And you can DM.

us. Send a carrier pigeon. Yeah, that could be, that could be, that could be fun. You could post memes. It could be for memes. I don't know. Like, sharing bad news. You wouldn't want to get parisocial.

Honey, I've gotten kind of parisocial. Like, this folks, it's fine. All right. Final thoughts? This has been like, I remember we started this because you wanted to make sure that you were socializing during quarantine. And he did enrichment in my enclosure. Yeah.

And so we did this and got enrichment. I remember feeling really cool. I remember telling my ex. Like, oh my God, my friends once to, like, do a podcast and, like, invited me to be a guest on it. Like, to be, like, a host on it? I'm going to be on, like, a podcast. And then, like, feeling really cool that I got to do this. And, like, yeah, this is something I look forward to.

I don't know. I've met really cool people. I learn really cool things. I get to, like, work out what I think doing this. I get to make a fool out of myself on the internet. people know more about my perversions than they probably should. But whatever. And raise fringe.

I am cringe, but I am free. You know. Yeah, this has been like, I don't know, this gives me enrichment and mind closure. It's good enrichment. And I get to make cool friends. Podcasts is about making friends and communism. That's, you know, the horror vanguard's been saying it since day one. The podcasting is about friendship of communism.

basically. John always says it. Making friends. Something about communism. I had one too that I was doing in the, again, in the first like 20 episodes. I got into a habit of saying something. And then I just stopped. And there's so many things that I started and just dropped after like 10 or 15 episodes.

And I can't even remember what these bits were. And I'm like, I had good bits, but I just don't remember them anymore. Because I don't keep them in a notes document where it's like, oh, yeah. because I keep deleting my notes is the reason. I do have a notes document in my obsidian, but I keep cutting stuff out of it. So, like, once chatGVT got released, I'm like, well, there goes to chat the AI bit

because now anyone can do it. It's not cool to do. They're just eras. Just think of them as seasons. We're in our John D. Fuxmith era. Yeah, we really are. We really have expanded the lore of John D. Fuxmith.

Everyone wants to write fan fiction about us becoming John D. Bucksmith and then going back in time and starting, doing the podcast and going back in time becoming. I'm manifesting right now. I would not get mad if people wrote any kind of library punk fan fiction. That would be hilarious. I am so, oh God, news. So the gay poet Richard Seichen, who all the girlies use stuff from his poems for AO3 fan fiction

titles. So he had like a stroke a couple years ago and has been in like recovery from it. But now he's just like come out on Twitter as like writing fan fiction and calling it transgressive and like saying he writes like John Locke and Winsest and Destiel. And he's like, I don't need to write Hannah Graham because Hannibal is already perfect. And I'm like, what is happening? And I've just been kind of like losing my fucking mind like all week. I think the tweet I saw because Richard's like it. What was it? The second tower has hit Western Yowie. when he was like, somebody explained Steve Bucky to me and I was like, it's all over. The world is ending. We can wrap it up and go home.

Yeah. I found an image the other day that was like the first known impreg fetish fan art and it was of Captain Kirk. Incredible. That's the cover art. I don't know where my copy of Crush is right now, which is Richard Syken's first book of poetry. but you know any anytime you've seen like you're in the car with a beautiful boy and you're trying

not to tell him that you love him like that's from him or if you love me you love me in a way I don't understand like all these like gay poetry and stuff always gets used in AO3 fan fiction titles that's Richard's like apparently he's a slash fiction guy and God bless him I love it um I'm so excited about it I had to learn some AO3 tags the other day just because someone was using them in like real life as like discourse terms. And I was like, what does this mean? Someone had just breached containment and had tried to talk about real world issues using A03 tags as their vocabulary. I was like, this is incomprehensible.

Find your state of manner, friends. Oh, it was the person telling Neil Gaiman that there shouldn't be a sad ending in stories. Oh, God. And they used some A. A.3 term that I had to look up. And I still don't really understand. Hurt no comfort. Hurt no comfort. Yeah. And I just was reading through A.O.3. And I was like trying to pick it up with context clues. And I was like, I don't know what this means.

Everything has 90 million tags on it. There's no context. Good omens. Sponsor of the show. I have not watched season two yet. Most people don't know that it's out. I probably won't be watching. There's a lot of good Bible stuff. I don't know. Yeah, because I love the book. And the book's great. Season one has its moments. I love David Tennett. I love Michael Sheen.

I saw some clips of a scene with Job. And I'm like, okay, I kind of got to see that. That's pretty funny. Do it for the Job. It's a good job if you can get it. All right. This has been so cool doing this for like. He's making it sound like the last episode.

The end. We're just never posted again. We've been doing this for like two and a half years now. Yeah. We started in like a end of January. But yeah, I keep thinking, like, are we on year two? No, we're past year two. Yeah, we're past year two.

Technically, yeah, two and a half years. Almost, yeah. My life is so different than when we first started. So many things have happened to me since we started this podcast. Just how it goes. Everything happens so much. Everything happens so much. My life has just been so up in the air.

Things keep happening. This has been the stable thing in my life. It's true. Yeah, no, everything has gone up in the air a million times, except for this podcast. Have fun editing this. Yeah, it's a little long, but it's only three of us, so it won't be bad. Good, good night.