Life Uncut - AI Got Us Good And Should You Fire A Cheater?

Episode Date: November 18, 2025

Hey Lifers! Laura’s whole extended friends and family have been taken down by various bugs and we all need to calm the heck down and stop socialising. Keeshia has another neighbourly gripe but also a new hobby and we just know you’re on the edge of your seat for the updates 😂What hobby did you succeed at and then bail on? Laura and Matt have celebrated their 3rd wedding anniversary by watching the finale of the Golden Bachelor. Laura shares some BTS of how you’re told to react if the Bachelor doesn’t choose you and she wants to celebrate Janette for not acting in the way that you’re ‘supposed’ to. Perhaps being in her ‘golden’ years has made her a lot wiser and have less f*cks to give when it comes to acting in the way that the public expects you to. Should you fire someone if they were found to be cheating on their partner (as their boss)?Natalie Dawson, who is a CEO, went on Diary of a CEO podcast and shared her controversial take on firing employees that were having an affair. Whilst it’s probably not legal in Australia, how much should a company’s values extend into the personal lives of employees? Would it change your opinion if it was TWO employees of yours cheating together? Can You Spot AI In Videos? Are We So Used To Seeing Fake People On The Internet That We Don’t Know What Real Ones Look Like Anymore? Body confidence content creator @em_clarkson posted a video with 9.6 million views where she is in a bikini on the beach but as the video plays out, certain parts of her body change back and forth between her actual video and the AI version. Her hips move in and out, her skin colour changes and the texture becomes softer, her boobs become bigger and more perky etc. We speak about how AI has progressed to the point that we can’t spot it and whether we are so used to seeing ‘altered’ people online that we’ve forgotten what real people look like.We also speak about an article by Mary Madigan titled ‘Baffled by natural breasts’: Men have forgotten what real boobs look like written about Millie Bobby Brown’s natural cleavage on a red carpet promoting Stranger Things. You can watch us on Youtube Find us on Instagram Join us on tiktok Or join the Facebook Discussion Group Hosted by Laura Byrne & Keeshia Pettit  Produced by Keeshia Pettit Video Produced by Vanessa Beckford Recorded on Cammeraygal Land Tell your mum, tell your dad, tell your dog, tell your friend and share the love because WE LOVE LOVE! XxSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This episode was recorded on Camaragal land. Hi guys and welcome back to another episode of Life Uncut. I'm Laura and I'm Keisha and Brittany is not here because as you guys know if you listen to last week's episode she's had gastro so she's she's taking some time to herself. I hate that. No everyone gets it my entire house is full of gastro yeah right now yeah so unfortunately look my weekend was a real doozy it was 31 degrees in sydney and i spent it inside on a sunday with lol wearing a nappy poor girl she's the only one her and ellie they were both wearing nappies too far ellie i love you poor ellie that's my mother-in-law they've all had gastro it's so bad it's a really bad

bad situation's going on so truly being here with poppy strapped to me is a joy it's just a nice Or is it an incubator? And this and I are going to go down like flies. Shit. Literally. No, it's been a real doozy. And also, so we record this episode on a Monday, right? Or what we are this week.

Normally on a Monday, I've got this sorted now that I have my really good friend who is a babysitter. She comes, she takes Poppy, and I'm able to do like our main episode without a baby strapped to me. And I got a message yesterday and she's like, yeah, so sorry, my own kid has hand, foot and mouth. I was like, what is happening? What is going on? Why are we all dropping like flies? So unfortunately Poppy's here. But last year around Christmas time, I felt like everyone dropped like flies.

We got gastro like on Christmas day. My entire family were like horizontal for nearly 72 hours. Some of them went to hospital. But I felt like around, it must be this time of year, it's when everything's like ramping up and everyone's doing too many social occasions. We all need to isolate again. Okay, bring back COVID. We need to calm the fuck down.

That's what we need to do. Anyway, you, speaking of too many social occasions, you sound like you had a real doozy of a weekend, Keisha. I came in this morning. I'm a little bit hyper aware right now that I'm not sure whether the stories where I'm complaining about my new things that happen in my household are things that you want to hear about. Because I made a story about my bin situation a couple of weeks ago. It was somewhat not well received. I wasn't here for that episode. So if you guys missed it, Keisha told a story about a bin.

and all I have seen is the one comment on Spotify where someone said it was the worst story they've ever heard. They said this bin story is beyond boring. But however, when I joked about it the following week, that same person commented and said that they laughed when their comment got brought up. So I think we're in. I think we're back together.

But basically one of my neighbours stole my bin and I'm pretty sure it was this exact same neighbour last night. We don't have time. I think it was the same ones. At one o'clock in the morning, so it was a Monday morning, 1 a.m there were like 10 ish maybe 19 to 22 i would assume the age range men out the front of my house with their fucking lime bikes and i don't know what they were doing they were just being incredibly loud and the conversation that comes out of 19 to 22 year old men would melt you it is

so boring and it is so useless and i'm like what the fuck are you talking about go to bed we all have to work tomorrow. Get a job. This isn't even what I was referring to. You put in the show notes herb garden. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, guys. I've also, I've also got a herb garden now, which I'm stoked about. I've had to move on from lawn. I became a lawn girl. I was really into the lawn. I've got two dogs at the moment. I've got both Bonnie and Delilah. I don't have much lawn. They're peeing on it a lot as they should they're doing the right thing the lawn is not doing well so I've just moved my hyper fixation into a different part of gardening I reckon it has nothing to do with body and it has nothing to do with Delilah you just this is what happens you just got over the

lawn and you're on to the next thing we all remember maybe about a year ago now when I went through my propagation error and every time I what happened to those plants they were thrive I look back on reels from a year ago and my house was like a beautiful jungle they are all dead I have one left and it's the Monstera and it's hanging on for dear life. It looks like a weed in the corner. I just got over them. I learned that I was able to do it and then I stopped caring. And that was it. And then now I just have a graveyard of dead pots all around the house. I feel like if you've been able to document the success, it's ticked off.

Done. I am. You can't maintain it. Why would I want to? Like, why do I need to? What am I trying to prove to anyone? I've got a streak on Duolingo. I don't need one in the garden. That's done. Anyway, I've got these new herbs. I'm trying to grow 10. I will let you know in two weeks' time if I'm over it yet.

But I think the herb thing, because also I'm a titer, so I like the fact that I won't have to go to the grocery store. You know when you go and buy herbs and you spend like $3.50 or $4, whatever the packet is, and you use like the tiniest amount of it and then it just wilts away in the fruit? Can I? What was the bin person's name who commented? Rach.

Rach is hanging on the edge of a C for that update. Two weeks' time, Rach. You make sure you're listening to the Wednesday episode. God damn it. Oh, my God. Can I say, though, Keish, you've been filling in for me whilst I've been having some half-assed maternity leave. And you have done a fucking amazing job.

Thank you. You are so, I mean, obviously you're on every episode anyway. It's not like this is a foreign thing. But you have done so, so well. I appreciate you saying that. And I think, like, also because I come from a broadcasting background, so I know that whenever the normal person, the reason that you sign up to a show, whether that be radio

or podcasting is because of the host, right? And so whenever one of them or sometimes multiple are away, there is that natural feeling of being like, oh, I really miss the original. And like sometimes you can just, sometimes you can be a little bit more critical of the person who's filling in just because you miss what, you know, you signed up for. And so I was kind of expecting a little bit of,

just a little bit of heat, a little bit of spiciness, a little bit of sass of like, oh, when is Laura coming back? But everyone so far has been really lovely and please don't change that. No, no. and my ego can't take it you've done such a good job that now brit and i are just alternating taking days off so that we don't ever have to work properly again no but i mean it it's a funny thing because i think a lot of people just think that you rock up to a podcast and just talk shit

which sometimes to be fair sometimes we do but normally there is a lot of preparation that goes into these episodes and you were the one that does so much that prep and i've listened to every episode that you guys have done since i've been on my maternity leave not to be confused with a holiday and I just think you've been brilliant so thank you thank you but also not to be confused with the holiday who who thinks that's a holiday who thinks having a newborn's a holiday I don't know sometimes I thought it felt like a holiday in comparison to the amount of work that I'm going to do normally but now I'm just doing the work with a baby strapped to me so I think that that's why not working with the baby felt like a bit of time off I think I have problems we need you to

see a therapist you're a bit addicted to work if you think having a newborn is a holiday from your usual experiences. Yeah, I know. And to be fair, I've just, there's been another job thing that's come up for next year and Matt and I have had a big fight about it. So that's where we're at in life. I kind of feel like I'll probably be on Matt's side. It's our three year wedding anniversary. Please don't add more. Speaking about, okay, so it was mine and Matt's three year wedding anniversary last week. Congratulations. Thank you. Three years though. It's not that long, is it? No, but I feel like a really different person in that three year period. Not to make it about myself it is about you it is about your marriage no because we were like we were putting

together an Instagram post and so like I was going back through our wedding photos I saw that you included the one with the toe yeah the shoe yeah that's iconic that always has to be included yeah it was a toe violation but it was a truly like a big part of the wedding because I do remember for the entire time my toe was hanging and I remember feeling it but being like oh the skirt will cover it didn't it's in every photo just my toe like this both of them just escaping my shoes no we were sitting on the couch and we were like putting together an instagram post it was actually our wedding anniversary last wednesday and we went out for a cute dinner and stuff but we've been so busy with the kids and with work and everything my 17 000 jobs that we didn't post

anything until last night and matt we're trying to think of caption he was like three years we've made it this far and i was like i don't think you can write that because i do think the expectation is that you make it a lifetime so three years is pretty short in better or worse sickness and but it was like a kind of serendipitous evening because we were also watching the finale of the golden bachelor at the same time bringing up the men's like i think we watched a little bit of the very first ep when everyone was coming out and then we watched the finale play out have you seen any of it at all i haven't and i looked the thing is is that i actually was excited for it i just feel like i got too into the traitors and i couldn't do two reality tv shows at the same

time that have to watch ads you know i can only commit to one okay but i don't know if we ever spoke about this on the podcast because i edited the episode that matt and brit do of the pickup it goes into life uncut on a saturday they interviewed bear yeah so the main guy the lead the bachelor he said some pretty rowdy things about if he had an additional rose he would give it to sam armitage and i was listening to it and i was like that was such an easy time for you to shut down the rumours. And instead, you doubled down on the rumours and added fuel to a fire. I was very surprised that that didn't get picked up in media because that was at the time. So for anyone for context, a couple of weeks ago, there were lots of rumours around Bear, the main guy,

having a crush on Sam Armitage, who was the host of the show. I'm actually going to clip in what he said, because I think if I were to just say this, you would think that I was doing exactly what the media does and hamming it up. But this is what he said. Is there any truth at all to the chemistry between yourself and Sam Armitage? If I had an extra rose, I probably would have. I saw it.

I saw it night one. There was chemistry there. But there were. She's beautiful. She's absolutely beautiful. Imagine if that was the plot twist. It's happened before. It's happened before.

What, with a host? In the German Bachelor, yeah. Oh, really? On the finale, he gave it to the director. Shut up. Sorry, that was aggressive. I mean, really? I'm like, is that true?

Anyway, that is not what I wanted to talk about, but we took a detour. But no, don't say sorry. It should have gotten more airtime and I'm glad we played it again. Daily Mail picked that up. No, what I wanted to say is, and it was a realization that happened last night and also off the back of all of the articles that have been printed today. So news.com, Daily Mail, there's been a lot of articles that have come out around the woman who came second, Jeanette, Janet, Jan, Jan.

We'll go Jan. So Jan came second. She is a Pilates instructor. she's 61 years old they're in South Africa it's very windy they're about to take off to the moon because it's so windy very distracting the wind and she gets out of the car and she walks up and Bear obviously is not choosing her right like we all know it's a tried and tested formula the person who gets out of the car first so sorry it's not you heartbroken cry blah but something that I think was quite interesting about last night's episode so the way in which if you are number two the way

in which you're supposed to behave is you're supposed to be devastated you're supposed to be gracious and like you're supposed to take the disappointment with like a true sort of acceptance and grace and wishing him well in his quest for love right it's almost like you know what you signed up for so you need to be kind and ladylike about the whole thing and I remember when I didn't think it was me and I thought Matt had chosen Elise and blah blah blah the producer told me to accept it with grace and kindness because the Australian public don't want to see you be angry They want to see you be sad, but they don't want to see you have a backbone and be like, hey, you know what?

That was fucked up. I'm out of here. So Janet, I think it's very different when it is someone who is like a 61 year old versus a 22 year old who's like getting their heart broken. She walks up, bears, you know, he's telling her all these nice things, but ultimately he's saying he doesn't want to be with her and she shuts him down. She didn't do it in a rude way. She wasn't overly angry as everyone's reporting.

She was just like, you know what? I don't need to hear it. if you're sorry, stop saying it. We don't need to talk about this. And then he went to say this one thing. He went to say, you know, I still really have feelings for you or I still really care about you. Something of that extent. And what she had to say was so iconic. She turned around and she just said to him, do not disrespect Sonny by saying this. And what she meant by that is do not disrespect the woman that you've chosen by telling me that you have any feelings for me at this point or that you care about me in any capacity at this point. And I think for anyone

who's 61 years old, who's been dragged along for six weeks, being made to feel like someone has feelings for them only to be dumped and humiliated in South Africa, you would suffer so little bullshit at that age and be like, I'm not putting up with this. No. Do you think it's a confidence thing like that you would get naturally from age where you just do tend to care less of what people think about you? Or do you think, I mean, you've been in the situation, so were you kind of preparing yourself to be like I don't know if I'm asking this in the right way what I mean to say is were you cognizant of the fact that if Matt were to dump you at that time the public would have an opinion on you and so you had to act in a certain way that would make them not hate you yeah I think

that that plays a little bit of a part I think you do know that there is kind of a way in which to behave but at the same time I think that the people pleasing goes out of you like I really do think that she's like actually you know what this is fucked and it really is because even though you sign up for it and you know that there's a possibility that you're going to be number two and they're not going to fall in love with you, blah, blah, blah. They do so much on the dates to make you think it's you so that you will stay and stick it through to the end. Like he probably went above and beyond. He, you know, it's a day before that he's still making out with both of them. So like you do feel betrayed. You're like, well, why did you have to do X, Y, Z if you knew

it wasn't going to be me? And if you thought it was going to be me up until last night, then you can't be in love with the other person. It's the lack of time in between. But I really did think that there was something quite powerful in her saying don't disrespect the other woman that you've chosen by standing here and telling me all these nice things about the time that we had together yeah I think that too but I'm also interested in what you just said about like you can't be in love with someone else if you have feelings for me and I don't know if I agree with that I feel like you can have feelings for multiple people at the one time and one be love I think that in that situation it actually would be very likely that they would have quite strong

feelings for more than one person, but they potentially might see their life fitting in better with one. And I also think that you have to play the game up until a certain point. Otherwise there's no TV show. And what I don't think is possible is I don't think that you can go and meet the family, which happens just literally the day before and be all like, I don't know who I'm going to choose. I have such strong feelings for both. And then wake up the next day with absolute conviction oh it's not number two and I am in love with number one like I don't think that that happens in a 12-hour period yeah I think you're right I really don't and I think that that's the production value of it I also really like that in that moment her saying that it just implies that

there's no animosity between the women and there's no anger between the women either it's kind of like no she's funneling that all to him where it belongs exactly which is exactly what we should have done for all of our 20s but I think that the one thing I got hung up on and probably the point I'm trying to make here is that we have been conditioned to think that the person who is broken up with or brokenhearted should be graceful and should be accepting and should be sad but not be angry and shouldn't show any sort of like harsh or abrasive emotions but I really liked that she was like actually you know what fuck you there was something powerful in being a woman standing there and not going okay I'm so heartbroken I'm so sad but I wish you well you don't have to wish

everyone well. You know, I hope you're happy in your relationship, but I actually really hate you for what you did to me. That's it. Move on with life. All right. Well, speaking about being potentially in love with two people at the same time, I have a question for you guys. Do you think if you were a boss, would you fire someone or want to fire someone if you found out that they were having an affair in their personal life? Now, the reason why we're talking about this is because it's a pretty controversial take. CEO of Cardin Ventures, her name is Natalie Dawson. She has just gone on to the diary of the CEO. And this is a take that she had recently that blew up on social media and they unpacked

it on there. But basically, as a CEO, she's come out and said this. One of the things I've gotten so much criticism of online was when I publicly shared a TikTok about firing somebody because I found out that she was cheating on her significant other and the other person also had a significant other. And as soon as I found out about it, I terminated both of them immediately. Wait, someone was cheating with someone in the company? Yeah.

And they both had partners? Both had partners outside of the company. As soon as I caught wind of it, it wasn't even like a split second decision. I can't have this in my environment, especially somebody close around me. People trust me and should trust any leader to help them make their success easy. If they're going to cheat on the person that they're supposed to spend the rest of their life with, do you think that they're cheating on their work? That person is a liability to the environment. If somebody has a problem in their personal life, they're the same person that shows up

to work. I can't bifurcate and put in two separate buckets what somebody is doing at home and think that what they're doing at home and the confusion and the distraction isn't going to bleed over into our environment. Bifurcate, I don't even know what that word means. So I don't know if we're the right people to be unpacking this. She'd be firing me because I didn't know what the words were. In Australia, I don't think that you can fire someone.

And I think it would come under unfair dismissal. The only part of this that I sit with and I'm like, maybe there is some validity to it, is the fact that the affair was happening between people who work within the company. And so I don't know if this is still a thing. It's been a long time since I worked in an office environment, but I remember when I worked for a medical company and part of our contracts was that you couldn't be in a relationship or have relationships with people from work. Interesting. And that was 15 years ago. So I don't know if that's still a thing, if it's legal to stop

someone from having a relationship but maybe if that is something that's in their contract then that is where the grounds for firing and for dismissal comes from but it's an interesting one to think that someone's personal life is and their way in which they treat people in their personal life is a clear and direct indication of how they behave at work. When I initially heard this I was kind of a bit like oh that feels like you're involving yourself way too much in their personal life like that really doesn't have too much to do with you. You have an unhealthy attachment style but then when she said the thing about like if they're going to cheat on the person that they're expected to love the most like their significant other what do you think that means for your work

environment and that was where I actually kind of started to to flip a little bit I guess it just made me question that if someone was able to have an affair for potentially an extended period of time what does that say about their ability to mislead you what does that say about their integrity and it would be more for me about the fact that if someone's able to hide that in their work environment from the people that they work really closely with it does make me kind of go I don't know what else you'd be capable of doing and I would have no idea about it sorry guys Poppy's not enjoying this conversation listen to her she's like you should have fired them those cheating bastards life is so hard being a baby no I understand the sentiment of this like

I understand twofold. One, the integrity that it brings and also two, the distraction. If someone is having an affair with someone from work, even if someone's starting a relationship with someone at work, you can guarantee that their focus is therefore not on work. And it's going to be on all of the energy that they're putting into this, the flirting, the courtship, the romance. But maybe they'll be wanting to be in the office more. Yeah, but like your work capacity would be so distracted because you'd be thinking the entire time, like, when are they going to walk into the room? Can I send them another email? Like the focus is then not on work so I think that's a two-fold conversation but do I think that an

employer should be able to hold up what is like the moral compass for their employees I think what people do in their personal life isn't something that an employer is able to or should be able to impact their own belief systems over the reason why it's an interesting one and it's a gray area is because it is completely dependent on the job and also on whether there is a requirement for leadership or a requirement for morality to come into what you do as an occupation if you're a politician i mean we all saw what happened with barnaby joyce like that is the bonking beetroot yeah like that's some people called him yeah that was his nickname because it gets really red yeah remember when he had some panadol and ended up in a garden

we'll be in there barnaby no i hate that that made him more likable i hate that it made him more likable. No, but this is what I mean, right? Like there's definitely different occupations where it matters more. Like if you're a politician and you're cheating on your wife, I think it signifies a character and a personality character in that. Whereas like if your job, you're showing up, you're doing a night shift, your personal life has absolutely no impact on your ability to do that job. Maybe you work on a mine site, for example. Like I would say the gray is far greater in those circumstances and that there is far more allowance. If you're working in broadcast, in broadcast, whether it's on radio or in podcasting,

like you're a trusted voice. You're a trusted. Unless you're some people. But you're meant to be a trusted voice, right? Well, there are some jobs that have more morality attached to them. Teachers, police officers, doctors. Like there are certain jobs that whether it's right or wrong, we do attach a higher sense of morality to the occupation

than a bartender, than a musician, than a podcast. Well, I don't know. I think podcasts have kind of come into it as well. But I think that they're the instances where I would understand why someone would take the extreme of if this is happening in your personal life, then I don't want you in the work environment. But I don't think it can be a blanket statement for all. And I understand why some people would say, yeah, I would never want them in my company and why other people would say, well, if it doesn't impact the work, if they're leaving their shit at the door and they're coming in and doing a good job, then I'm not going to get down in the trenches of their personal life, if that makes sense. Yeah, it definitely makes sense. And it's kind of, I guess, more of a modern conversation is that I think a lot of our jobs have become a part of our identity more than what they would have been a couple of generations ago. It does actually make me question, like, obviously, if you found out to be a cheater, that is going to erode your own personal reputation. But how much could that impact your workplace? like for example, I'm going to use myself as an example. If you found out that I was having an

affair and I was cheating on my partner, that really could affect the integrity of your business being life uncut. Like we talk about cheating all the time and people would have a really strong opinion on me if they found out that I was cheating on my partner. So in that type of dynamic, if the person is quite front facing in the company, I actually can understand it more. why you'd be like no I want to protect the integrity of my company and the brand that I have and I want people to think that they can trust us and if you're doing the wrong thing in your personal life and that could damage the reputation of my business I don't want you here I would actually understand it I also question like is all cheating built the same like is all

cheating or all affairs doesn't matter what the circumstances are doesn't matter how it's transpired I think that if we're brushing everything with the same stroke of like all cheating is bad. You've done it. Therefore you should be fired. I just think that it simplifies a very, very complex issue. And I also don't think that bosses should have that ability to control what that looks like. I agree very much when it comes to cheating with that. But a part of me actually does think that there would be a set of moral things that I object to. We all view things that are either illegal or immoral on a different set of scales. You know, like I have a much harsher judgment of someone who would be violent to their partner than if they

were to take drugs on the weekend that's my own personal set of values if I were a boss and I found out that one of my employers was drink driving that one of my employees was beating their partner at home a part of me would be like I don't want you in a part of my business because you are going to rot the inside of my company from the court out and so like there is this kind of seesaw that I'm on where I'm like it depends on what the moral judgment is for even though you're not really allowed to fire people for that either in Australia. So yeah, I don't know. I just thought it was a really interesting conversation. I'm not exactly sure where on the scale I see it. And I think it changes depending on what immoral thing the person has done. I mean, let's put it

to you guys, the brain's trust. Let's do a poll on this because if you were a boss, put yourself in this situation. If you were a boss and you found out that two of your employees were having an affair would you fire them if you could hypothetically purely because they lack integrity would you fire them would you turn a blind eye and want nothing to do with it yeah like what would be your outcome to this well something I want to ask you is whether we are getting so used to seeing fake people online that we're actually unable to spot or recognize what real people look like anymore and the reason that this is so at the front of my mind at the moment is because last week, I saw a particular video go on Instagram. I think it was probably the third or fourth time

that it came up on my screen that I actually clicked on it and listened to it. You know how you kind of like watch the first few seconds. You're like, why is this so viral? I guess I'll cave. Yeah. I was like, why do I keep on seeing this video? Because at first it just looked like this hot girl standing on the beach, talking to the camera. And I was like, well, we see a couple thousand of those a day. I'm not particularly interested. So the video turned out to be by m clarkson she's a body confidence content creator she's also a podcaster and this video has now been viewed 9.6 million times so it's gone mega mega viral she's got 472 000 followers and the caption of the video said i'll stop banging on about this when we can collectively

stop having our self-confidence and our self-worth destroyed by the time we are spending online now this is what the video said okay so here i am on the beach right now except i'm not really wearing makeup and my waist is not really that small my boobs aren't that big my hips aren't really the shape and i don't actually have a suntan yet but because it's the internet i am able to show up as a version of myself that is completely fabricated which in turn may leave you comparing yourself to a version of me that does not even exist so yeah after all of that the thing that i had to show you was a completely normal human body that is all too easy to manipulate on the internet if you're watching this on youtube then you will have seen i mean

you've probably or potentially seen this video anyway it has actually gone that viral online but if you haven't seen it so the way it starts off is she's standing on the beach just hot as hot this chick standing on the beach in a bikini with hair looking beautiful waist snatched makeup on looking great also beautifully tanned and then as she's flicking through and saying like my boobs aren't actually this big and I don't actually have makeup on it's flicking between the AI version of her and what she actually looks like and it's taking away you know each element at a time so first the makeup goes then the boobs go then the hips go then the waist goes then the tan goes and what she actually looks like is there this is not a hot take we've seen lots of face tune over

the years we've seen like how people manipulate images like this is nothing new what is new though and what I think I was like, oh my God, is how fucking convincing the AI is. And that's what I think is really scary is AI is getting so good. It is so seamless. I think for so long, we've all been very familiar with how easy it is to doctor photos, but now that has really bled over into how easy it is to manipulate videos. And I think that that's what this highlights. It just shows you that everything you're seeing, there is no way of knowing now what's real or not real. How many times have you okay and I'm guilty of this sending a video and someone being like oh that's AI and you feel like such a boomer because you're like what but I didn't what do you mean it's AI okay

guys I have one for you there's this cat video Laura was playing this on repeat this morning being like but look it's so funny I am going to put this on socials because I was like laying in bed at 11 30 at night on a doom scroll Matt was downstairs still working and I sent it to him because I think it's the fucking funniest video I've ever seen in my life. I know we're getting off pace, but let me tell you anyway. And I sent it to him and I was like, watch this. Ha ha, so funny. And he's like, that's AI.

You know that, right? And you know that feeling when you feel so dumb because you fell for it. I was like, no, I obviously didn't know that. The cat just hit the ceiling. Okay, fucking laugh. Laugh, god damn it. Wait, I'll just play the audio because everyone needs to hear him scream. Wait for it.

Okay, I'm glad we all experienced that together. I'm so glad we did too. That's had millions of views as well and they're all mine. Okay, continue. It turns out it's not like you just said you feel like a boomer, right? Turns out this is across the board. The ABC published a report just two weeks ago and the report was titled Teenagers Struggle to Tell if Videos are Real or Fake as AI Floods Social Media.

Now they had a video gop of this and it had all these teenagers. They were in their school uniform and they were played a video and they were asked to determine whether it was AI or whether it was real and all of these teenagers are like I think that one's AI this is why and they would be like no that's actually real and then they would say the same thing for the opposite of like you know I think that that one is real and you know everything about it looked so convincing and so realistic the timing was right and they were like that one's actually completely fabricated completely not even manipulated it's made up like it's just a fake version of reality that's also why I think

it's interesting now because like I think younger people think that they have really good self awareness when it comes to what's happening online. I think like, because like there is a bit of a stereotype that if you're younger, you're going to be more tech savvy, you're going to be more social media savvy, and you'll be able to see through a lot of what has been created because there's telltale signs. The problem is, is that now AI has gotten so good that those telltale signs are no longer visible and they're not visible to any age demographic. Right. And so I think, you know, for so long, we've been having this conversation around like how inauthentic online is how it contributes to comparison culture how it really distorts

people's self-perception but also like now we're entering this whole new age of it where what is fake is completely undetectable and it's like now we're almost expected that everyone online shows up in the most perfect version of themselves because if you're not perfect well you can just change it anyway and there's something about that that actually makes me feel really depressed I know a lot of this is probably the very large majority but I've realized that with my inability to spot what is real and what is not it's actually taken away from the joy I used to get from seeing things that I found really impressive like if I would see a video and I'd be like oh my gosh that's so amazing look at what this person did or look at what they made or

you know and now I just have this sheath of well is it real or not you know it's like this awful feeling of being like tell me if it's real or not because I don't think it's real because everything that I see now is not real. And it's this real negative, like aggressive feeling that I now have. I question whether we're going to engage with social media in the same way in the future. Like, and I, I mean, obviously there's multiple reasons why people use it. It's very entertaining. It's very easy to doom scroll. We also use it to stay up to date with what our friends and family are doing. Like there's different pillars of why we're connected with social media. But I do wonder if we're only looking at it for like an entertainment perspective

and for like looking at, you know, celebrity culture or people on the internet that we don't know, like for that sort of connection, I wonder if in five or six years time, we will use it in the same way. Will we use it with the lens that none of it's real and it's purely just entertainment in the same way that when we look at a movie, we go, oh, well that's, it's not real. Like we're watching a movie or will we look at it with the lens of projection thinking I want to look like that or I want to have those things. Because I think for so long, the lines have been very blurred because they've been so close. People have like definitely cinched their waist a little bit or they've smoothed their skin a little bit, but the changes are subtle, which make them feel

attainable. And that's where I think it's a really problematic gray area. Now, as you can see from that video, the changes are immense and they don't have to be subtle and they can be completely made up. So will it change the way that we view social media? Will we start watching it, like I said, like it's something that's purely for entertainment sake, or are we going to continue to have this eroded self-image and eroded mental health? Are teenagers just going to grow up in this space where it's going to be completely destructive or will they grow up thinking, I don't believe anything that's on the internet? Yeah. And I think that that's probably already happening. You know, there was this other article and I know that this might feel like a

little bit of a side tangent, but stay with me. I read this other article, it was written by Mary Madigan and it was in news.com and it was titled baffled by natural breasts. Men have forgotten what real boobs look like, a viral reaction to some red carpet photos of a young A-list actress have exposed a concerning issue that proves women really can't win. So this was a photo of Millie Bobby Brown, who is 21 years old. She was at a red carpet for Stranger Things. You know how the new seasons come out. She had this black plunging dress. It came down to kind of like probably about the bottom rib. And she just had, I would, I'm sorry to even assume this. It feels gross. I would say that she has very normal probably b cup 21 year old boobs they look bloody fantastic she has

great boobs she has fantastic natural boobs and they're in a dress and they sit like normal i would say actually quite perky mine definitely weren't that perky when i was 21 they sit like normal beautiful 21 year old boobs in a beautiful black dress so some of the comments as you would like i roll expect that went up on x they read things like that her breasts were extremely saggy that she looked 10 years older than her age and someone declared her to be the anti-Sydney Sweeney. So Mary's article went on to say this particular paragraph, I thought it was really great. She said, men aren't just being cruel. They are genuinely baffled by natural breasts. If I had just stumbled across a thread of men claiming that Millie Bowie Brown isn't attractive or that

she is overrated, I would just find it ridiculous. But it certainly isn't new, interesting or worth dissecting. However, discovering that men are now being critical just because a woman has natural breasts and are acting like there must be something wrong with her has thoroughly alarmed me. I don't agree that men are not familiar with natural breasts only because, I mean, they have mothers and sisters, probably no girlfriend because they're losers, but they have seen natural breasts. I think we are not familiar with seeing elite as in like celebrities, the upper echelons. We don't see that in media because it is so common now that if you are a celebrity that you have enhancements. So I think that there is a huge comparison that

these people are making online, but there's this mentality of like, well, if you don't have perfection, you should fix it because you can fix it and you're a celebrity. So why don't you look perfect? And my expectation of you is that you look perfect because everyone else does. Like that is what I think and where it comes from. But it's this expectation that everyone who is in or public facing who is a celebrity should fix the things that someone else deems is not perfect is the ridiculous ideation of this whole thing and also like we aren't familiar with seeing natural breasts because most people have had plastic surgery who are working in hollywood that is just what's become the norm unfortunately as it turns out also people who were on instagram

and maybe maybe they haven't even had plastic surgery maybe they're using ai to make it look as though they have. And this was a real, it was a real moment where I kind of sat back because I've always been really, really busty. And I think the largest my boobs ever got was like a double G and they fluctuate a lot because my weight tends to fluctuate a lot. I've got PCOS, I lose and put on weight like a yo-yo. Because of that, I have a real insecurity about the fact that my boobs look like I'm breastfed, but I haven't. I don't like how the skin sits. And something I've really been thinking about lately is whether I might want to get an augmentation And a part of me has been like, do I do it before I have children?

Do I just wait until afterwards? Like, what are they going to look like? I have this fear of what are they going to look like if I do breastfeed? You know, that would be horrendous. And I'm starting to question whether the reason I am thinking about this more and more is not actually because my boobs look any different to what they did a year or two ago. It might be because I'm only seeing a certain version of boobs online. And I just haven't had a reality check because every single thing that I'm seeing is filtered.

I know that the obvious answer to this would be like, we all just need to be accepting of our bodies and blah, blah, blah. And like, yeah, that would be great. But genuinely, hand on my heart, I became alarmed this weekend by realizing just how much this type of thing had infiltrated myself. I thought that I was so aware of what was going on in the media, not necessarily about spotting an AI video or not, but it turns out I can't do that either. More about like, how much does this impact my own version of myself? And I think I'm realizing it impacts it more than I had realized. I don't think you're alone there, Keish. I feel as though you would have to be a pretty, like you'd have to be pretty enlightened. Buddha would have had

to have touched you in some way for you to have never, ever considered cosmetic enhancements at all. And like, I don't want to put everyone on the same bucket. I'm sure there's people who are listening to this who have never even remotely thought about it ever. It's so far from their brain. But I would say for the great majority of women, you have at least thought once or twice, God, you know, God, I could get a nose job or I could get my boobs done. You're never going to necessarily do it but you've had those thoughts and also no shame on anyone who has chosen to of course it's such not an individual thing it's like a society thing but like I have had those thoughts and like I have them constantly especially now that I'm on my third bout of breastfeeding

you know I would say the most recently when we interviewed Indy Clinton and she was talking about how she'd recently had a breast done which is not I mean she's confirmed it this is not I'm not giving you a spoiler everybody I'm not adding it but I was like we're having this conversation I remember looking at her and I was like god maybe I should get my boobs done because I want to have boobs that look like that that would be nice wouldn't it like it's so easy to self-compare it's so easy to think like well I mean I'm here and you're there and you got there by doing this and maybe I could do that as well and it would be an easy fix I do think that probably the more alarming thing is now we don't know, you cannot tell what is real and what isn't real on the

internet. You have to just go in being so fucking jaded that nothing is real and that everything could be AI, it could be enhanced, whether it's a cat video, whether it's a pair of boobs. Like, let's just all assume that it's all fake and we'll probably all have a lot better mental health off the back of it. I guess my big thing is, where do you go from here? Because it's not going to go way it is the future and it's not even the future it is the reality now and I think we talk a lot about how it affects us as viewers like how does it affect us when you can't tell the difference but I think it's also worth thinking about like how does it affect the person who's putting out those images of themselves like that person who is always doctoring their boobs or their skin or

their waist and they're not able to post a photo online without changing the way they look slightly tweaking something about themselves because either they're so deeply insecure or they've created a version of themselves that isn't real that they have to upkeep or they're fearful that people the criticism yeah people will come and tell them that they've got saggy boobs there's a 21 year old and they're the anti-sydney sweeney like there is an element where i'm like are they doing it to try and protect themselves but it perpetuates the issue because then it creates more fake stuff online that isn't real that more people feel the need to and the pressure to upkeep it is time for suck and sweet okay I'm gonna go first because it really has been a doozy so

last week guys my sweet for the week was that Ellie was on the road to recovery had a really really hard time like the last eight weeks with Ellie being Ellie is Matt's mum if you're super new to the podcast she lives with us we've been having a really hard time with her being sick well I went home on Monday after the record and I could not have jinxed it more because that afternoon I had to call an ambulance and the paramedics arrived and Ellie was then back in hospital for another three and a half days. So she has, I think I mentioned it, but she has this thing called C. diff, which is a type of infection, but it took us really a really long time to get that diagnosis. And it's been on and off now for eight weeks, like literally Poppy's

entire life. So she's back home again, but she's definitely not a hundred percent. So I just, I was really excited because I thought she was better and and I really I really blew my load too early on that one and then I think the other part of this it's like getting me quite anxious is with Lola having this gastro there is a potential that she's caught the c-diff which it's a gastrointestinal thing so she needs to go to the doctors today to get tested it's really it has just been a doozy of a time in our household really it's been a lot yeah and also so scary it was really really awful I think my sweet for the week is truly and I know I've mentioned a little bit but like this postpartum period has been so much better than what I expected

to be like I said I'm on holidays guys but it's been really healing that I've been able to do and be in the way that I have and I mean that in terms of like I really was going to take it easy and going back to work going back to work has not been a struggle she has been like such a joy to have and I mean she slept through 90% of this episode she's waking up now so it was joyous for me but also like from a work perspective especially with tony may we have been kicking some huge goals this year black friday's coming yeah we have black friday it's an exclusive everyone black friday we're not one of those brands that go on black friday at the beginning of the month our black friday comes next week but there's so much that goes into gearing up for that and i yeah i

felt really like this is our year and especially in the last week it's been like everything else at home with sickness and whatnot going on that has felt like a real saving grace so yes tony may everybody it's been great and i'm i have been thinking about ellie a lot and i'm really hoping that things improve a lot for her my suck it feels very frivolous in comparison but i got done by a black friday sale that went particularly early and i decided most of my furniture in the house is like hand-me-downs from britain laura like and i'm not exaggerating i like quite literally mean the large majority of furniture in my house was once yours but i decided that we needed I decided that we needed a big mirror and I was thinking that I was going to put it

as you walk in the front door there's like a big corridor and a hall I've heard that this is bad feng shui I don't care I'm not really aware of that type of thing but I wanted a big mirror for that area of the house so I bought one on Black Friday sale it's got a really good price excellent had to go and pick it up from this warehouse in Sydney now just by coincidence my partner has been working away a lot but he was back this weekend and I was like we've got to go pick up this mirror we just decided to take his car because mine has all of the dogs stuff in it which was really fortunate because as we were driving there he was like you've measured this right like it's all going to be fine and I was I was like it'll be so fine like it'll fit so easy

in the back he's got like a wagon kind of vibe right I also feel like there's two types of people there's people who measure things and then there's other people who would just who just get around life with the vibe it no the sheer confidence that everything will fit in their car like I'm that person i don't i used to have a hyundai gets and i was always like it'll fit and to be surprising it always did it always fit well we got to the place and i had not accounted for the fact firstly i hadn't measured it anyway but secondly i hadn't accounted for the fact it would be in a box with padding so there was absolutely no way in hell it was fitting in the car luckily his car has roof racks and he had all the straps so i was like oh what a nice serendipitous coincidence

Anyway, we get home and we unpack the mirror and I was just so excited because I was like, oh, you know. It was pretty, it was $400 and I was like, it's nice to have nice, you know, bits of furniture I'm adding to the house. Anyway, it turns out it is way too big for the wall. It doesn't fit anywhere. It's also probably non-refundable because you bought it in a Black Friday sale.

I think it's non-refundable because I've, like, ripped the packaging to shreds with the straps that we had to put on top of the closet. All right, put it on the roof, above the bed. but I was like shit and eternity looked at me and it was it was a moment where I was like oh you're actually a bit disgusted in me like you're judging me for this anyway so that was a big probably gonna have to hawk that on facebook marketplace but that was my suck my sweet and this kind of relates to a sweet I had a couple of weeks ago and I'm sorry to almost double up but like work

has been fucking amazing for us in the last couple of weeks to months like we have really been able to kick some huge goals. I mean, especially in terms of like we've had a couple of people that we did interviews with that are real pinch me moments. Can you guys stop interviewing all of the fucking big names whilst I'm trying to have a maternity leave? It's like, was this done on purpose? I actually thought about it and I was like,

people might think that I've done this very selfishly. Laura's got a maternity leave, so we're going to get the biggest guess we've ever had. Laura, I don't even measure my walls. I don't pre-prepare. It just happens. Okay, good things just happened. I am so stoked.

I am so, yeah, I'm genuinely so fucking proud of everything that's been, like work in general across the board has been absolutely slaying. Well, and I don't want this, what I'm about to say to detract from that because that very much still exists and I'm still really proud of that and I feel a lot of joy from it. But I had this moment on the weekend where we took the dogs, I'd say the girls, you know, Bonnie and Delilah, to this new beach they'd never been to and we were there

for like an hour and a half. And I just had this flush over emotion of like, this is what you work for. Like, this is actually why you work so hard so that you can come and have a lifestyle like this. And it was a really beautiful feeling. And I don't know, I don't know what the words are, but it felt so lovely to be like, while all of these things that are amazing and like, don't get me wrong, I have fucking great things happening in my life.

I'm incredibly privileged and very, very lucky. We're going to concerts. We're going to these amazing things. we're interviewing spice girls like all of that is amazing but this small thing of taking the dogs to the beach with my partner and just having the best time actually means more of course it does but don't you think and maybe this is too philosophical for the fact that we're trying to wrap the episode don't you think that you're only able to have those moments when the other things are in place because otherwise you would be there being stressed true like this is hard

or we don't have you know like I think for me when everything is humming that's when I'm able to have those moments of being like I'm really fucking grateful for how great my life is in terms of like I love being with my family I love being you know at the beach and feeling like an unbothered queen because I am an unbothered queen because all of the other cylinders are functioning in a way that they should be whereas like if work's really stressful it's really all like just say you just be made redundant, it's really hard to then go into the weekend and be like, God, I just live for these moments with my dogs. Like, do you know what I mean?

Because it's true. And I have been made redundant. If you're just being broken up with, you're not going to be like, God, these are the moments. It's when you have those moments where you're like, I'm really grateful for this to exist. Yeah. I don't know if it's stress. Cause I do, like, we have got a lot on our plate at the moment. I mean, the end of the year is busy for absolutely everybody.

Yeah, but there's different kinds of stress. Yeah. If you've got really big things going on, it's hard to, you know, if you've got a sick mother-in-law it's really hard to revel in the joy of seeing your dog splash through water do you know what I mean like I know that it's all perspective but the realization that I needed that these really big amazing things that people would deem to be these markers of success are not what makes me feel the happiest they make me feel proud oh 100 but they don't make me feel the happiest and I think that was a really nice distinction and a really nice feeling so we also

put up the Christmas tree because he's gone back away for work I well firstly it's very early to put up a Christmas tree but I'm completely here for it and I totally second that like I mean you know for all of the amazing work stuff that happens the best times is like being at the beach with the kids unfortunately that is not my suite because uh they all have gastro so that is not my at the moment anyway so we need to go because Laura needs to go to a bathroom I also Poppy's awake and she's just like now being a pest so like well she's not she's actually being beautiful but it's very hard to record with a baby on you

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