Life Uncut - Are Age Gaps Class Coded or Creepy? ChemRIZZtry, Curveball Crushing & Casting

Episode Date: October 7, 2025

Hey lifers!Poppy has popped out! She’s just the cutest! Next week we will have an episode with Laura about Poppy’s birth. Britt is always *rooting for long distance relationships. She’s been over to see Ben in Italy and been reminded that she found herself a bit of a chefing unicorn! She’s also made a friend over in Italy despite one big difference between them. Do you have a friend who looks really put together and tidy on the outside of their home, but on the inside it’s a complete mess? That’s our girl Britt and she’s got a new air fryer hack for you. Keeshia was given 3 minutes to talk about the rugby league grand final and she’s calling BS on some of the headlines that are always printed after any grand final entertainment performance. Do you think having big international acts like Teddy Swims and Snoop Dog is a good thing or should we only feature Aussie artists? There are 5 new dating trends predicted for 2026: ChemRIZZtry Curveball-crushing Love-loreing Truecasting StAtuS-flexing We also share a story that we’ve kept private for 4 years about the very worst guy Keeshia ever dated. Hopefully she is alone in this experience.  Victoria Beckham posted a photo from her Paris Fashion show that led to people questioning whether her 20 year old son’s relationship with a 29 year old woman was ‘weird’. We speak about whether the ‘issue’ is actually a timeline gap and if our views on age gaps are class coded. We also chat about which attachment styles are more likely to end up in age gap relationships and why society seems to freak out when a woman is the older partner.  You can watch us on Youtube Find us on Instagram Join us on tiktok Or join the Facebook Discussion Group Tell your mum, tell your dad, tell your dog, tell your friend and share the love because WE LOVE LOVE! XxSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This episode was recorded on Camaragal land. Hi guys and welcome back to another episode of Life Uncut. I'm Brittany and I'm Keisha and Laura has popped the vag. That's not even a saying, is it? Laura has popped the vag. Is that how you want to start our episode? Laura has popped poppy. Poppy has popped. Poppy is better. Poppy has popped out. So Keisha is feeling in for a little while for Laura because she has finally had the little baby. We're not going to talk too much about it because Laura is going to come back and do a birth episode next week, I think.

Yeah, and she's just the cutest. When I saw the first photos of her, and I hate it that some people – I've heard when you have a baby that they don't like it if they're like, oh my gosh, it looks so much like you or it looks like your partner. But I will admit that this baby kind of looks like a Lola 2.0. It is Lola. Fortunate for the baby because Lola's about the cutest thing I've ever seen. I honestly, did you think that Ness too? Did you think she looks like Lola?

You don't see it. The second Laura messaged me, I said, that's Lola. Yeah. I cannot see anything in her, no matter what angle it is, other than Lola. She seems super cute. We haven't met her yet. Yeah, no, I FaceTimed her. We're pretty close, pretty tight.

She doesn't do much. I just don't think she even opened her eyes, to be honest. I'm sure it was the highlight of her day. I'm sure that she'll be telling us about it in years. but you've just gotten back from a couple of weeks over visiting Ben. Yeah. Well, we had, it was weird and it was perfect timing. Laura was having a baby and radio was going to have a break.

Let's all go and have a little break. So I did finally go over to see Ben. I say finally, as you guys know, it was three months. And I just feel like I know I say this all the time. I root long distance. Wow, that's not the right word. I was going to say. I root long distance.

I was going to say like I root for long distance couples or like I root. What's that? Why is root in my brain? You cheer for. No, like. What's that game where it's taboo? Charade.

One word. Sounds like. Two syllables. One syllable root. Fuck. Screw. You defend long distance couples. No, I'm like, I can't think of the word.

Whatever. Let's just say root. I root for long distance relationships. This is why I think they're actually not as bad as people make out because it just keeps the magic there and I feel like I'm dating someone new every time like you know those feelings that you get when you've just met someone and the chemistry is there and you're excited by it and when the text message comes you're excited and when you're going to go on a date that night you know those like early weeks of finding someone that is a feeling that is so

hard to replicate and it's only ever comes when you've just met someone and you're like getting the butterflies and stuff but for I guess I'm going to assume it's most people in long distance but for us that happens every time like the nerves and excitement of when you're going to see each other again and when you're getting off the plane and they walk around the corner for the first time and then the dinners and the dates everything is like you're I don't want to say starting again because you know each other inside out but the boring and I hate saying boring but the monotony of everyday life doesn't exist do you also find that you like if there was something that you maybe didn't like or that you would typically quarrel about with a partner it's fine you let

it slide just let it go yeah because it's not worth it oh there'd be stuff if we were living together full-time there'd be stuff that would but I would grind his gears just as much there's stuff that like yeah I've lived with you I know what you're like wait okay let's unpack that what bothers you Keisha Brittany's kind of um can't choose your words as your employer the The thing that I find quite interesting about you is that you're so polished and put together on the outside of your home, but on the inside of the home, you haven't washed your air fryer for three days. Three days?

I've washed it like for three months. Some things about Brit, they're really contradictory and it's that you can be, you can be so put together and I would, if I were to not know you personally, I would assume that you would be like type A at home, super tidy, everything's neat, everything's got its spot. Sometimes you walk in and I'm like, did you get robbed? did they find what they were looking for really my room's fucked my room's cooked you can't even get into my room I have to like step over things and leap to the bed like I have to like open the door and leave in my defense I'm not gonna argue that too much there's some some truth to what

you're saying okay so firstly my air fryer I use baking paper so I that's why I feel like you don't need to clean it as much because there's a there's a lining you know I'm not just I'm not a psycho I don't just throw oil in and throw a piece of chicken in like I'm not that disgusting it's like it builds up the immune system secondly whilst we're sitting in the air fryer let's just sit here a minute I cannot you know what I'm gonna say I know what you're gonna say I cannot say how much pleasure it brought me and I said I actually wrote back to them and said I cannot wait to tell Keisha and Laura I have got so many messages saying not all heroes wear capes Brittany but you sure do thank you for the egg in the air fryer tip you know how much you know hey get the

dirty look off your face now so I saw that I saw that I think my actual response to it was this is real bottom feeder content like but it was but I knew that would be so valuable to somebody and Some of us are bottom feeders and I usually identify as that. I'm sorry if I'm highlighting the fact that someone who's thrilled about using an air fryer to cook an egg. People literally messaged and sorry and just said, bow down, life-changing. And I said, I'm going to screenshot this and send it to the girls.

Anyway, you've been a big enough person to admit when my ridiculous vibes were good, so I need to accept the fact that this is one of the moments where I was wrong and you were right. Well, hang on. Have you tried it? No, I haven't tried it. I've still got the egg in. also people message me about that saying that they've got an egg ick I think whether you have

it or not some people don't understand what it is to this day I still have no idea what causes it I went in my life loving eggs they're really good for you I think they're one of the like the most nutritionally packed things and so I was like eggs are great right one day I do not know what happened it's not like I had a bad one and I got sick and then all of a sudden it was about a year ago I just decided that I hated eggs I was like oh no I've got the egg for like the smell the texture if someone put a runny egg in front of me right now I'd probably throw up I I think it's when you eat something too much so I got the same thing and I'm trying to get myself out of it but I can't you know what mine is probably for about eight months is smoked salmon yes so like the

fresh salmon that you put on like eggs and avocado I ate that so much that was always my go-to with for a breakfast and I can't do it now and I've tried I ordered it not long ago and I had to take it off I was like what's happened but I think you eat it too much and you like psych yourself out yeah I don't know I don't know what causes it but I also wonder what other foods people have eggs for I'm sure we're gonna pull this well what I was gonna say is Italy was amazing and by the you know by the time you get there you basically jet lagged the whole time but it was really cool like we discovered so many new places and I made poor Ben like he's exhausted the whole time he's he doesn't have a day off he works so hard and he gets in the door and I make him go on an adventure

basically and Ben is if Ben could come back as an animal he would come back as like a slug he like when he's not training he wants to be horizontal on the lounge relaxing but I was like we were like adventure every afternoon but I met for the first time I just like haven't ever really met his teammates so it's all very when I'm there that he goes to work and does his thing and then they had all the teammates hang out all the time in the day so they don't want to go and catch up at night so it's like I just never have met them a lot of the girlfriends over there are Italian they don't speak English so for the first time I met one of the girls so Ben has this one of his closest friends in the teams and his girlfriend was there from London she was so sweet so lovely

and she picked me up to go and watch a game so she picked me up and we were hanging out and driving around it was cool and I was like oh I've met someone that's easy to get along with and whatever but she was like oh my god you guys just got married and I was like yes we got married it's so exciting blah blah blah and she was like wow she's like tell me about the proposal all this stuff so I was telling her and she's like oh my god please please tell Ben to tell my partner because they've been together for five years she's like please tell him so we can get engaged and I was like so how long you been together she's like five years I was like oh so you're ready and she's like yeah I'm ready and I said how old are you she said I'm 21 and I was like I was like

oh I know you've been together five years do not rush it I was like you have so much time and I was like how old's he and she's like he's 21 as well oh they're high school sweethearts yeah they're high school sweethearts and they're so lovely and I was like oh and not that there's there's nothing wrong with getting married at 21 that's not what I'm saying but I just thought she was a bit older And I was like, honestly, I was like, don't feel like you have to rush that. I was like, I definitely didn't. She's like, yeah, but you're what, 25 and you got married. Shut up.

She did not say you're 25 years old. She did. She needs to go to spec savers. She thought I was 25 and I was like, sorry, 25 and what did you say? And I was like, can I get you to record that so I can play it? Anyway, that's not what I'm saying. That was great compliment. And I said, oh, I'm not 25.

She's like, how old are you? And I said, early to mid to late, 30. I said 37 and then I was 38, I think. It sounded better. I was like, I'm 37. She's like, what? She's like, no way. Anyway, I'm just leaning into this because I was like, fuck yeah.

It's what came after that. And she's like, how old's Ben? And I was like, well, Ben's younger than me, but he's 33. And she's like, fuck off. I'm going to call her boyfriend Fred because you know who it is. She goes, oh, my God, that's so cute. Fred has old friends. Did she clap?

Did she clap? Fred has old friends. And I was like this, I've been on quite the emotional ride. You just told me I looked young and beautiful and then you told me you're clapping because we're old. That's hurtful. Did you get out of the car? No, it was a Porsche.

Fuck, I've got 21-year-olds driving a Porsche. yeah they're pretty they're pretty loaded she was like she didn't mean anything by it she just couldn't believe that his best friend in the team or one of his closest friends had there was such a big age gap but it was the way that i said i said to ben i've never felt older but she was lovely it was great that was the only friend i met and now i'm like oh god when we got in the car i thought i might hang out with your young friend well i thought i was gonna have a friend over there and now she thinks i'm old i'm like she's not gonna want to hang out with me i was your young friend and then mitch cheery came along and he's a couple years younger than me so he kind of

keeps you up more with what the youngins are doing but this is taking it to a whole new level for it i know you are trying to make yourself cooler cooler but how was the rest of your time with ben was it was this the first time since you got married that you actually saw him again he's just the best you know obviously because i married him i hate doing gender stereotypes and i know we're not living together full time but you know we spend six weeks together max at a time but I know who he is and he's always the same person he just looks after me so well and he will just get up he cooks me three meals a day he'll bring me breakfast to bed every single day and it's not like a holiday thing it's just what he does he

makes me coffees every morning he cooks my lunch like a hot meal he'll cook me pasta schnitzels whatever I want and then at dinner time he will cook two meals one for him because he's on like a really strict if he's in his strict athlete diet phase he will cook his meal and then cook me whatever i want and i just feel like i found a unicorn and i'm like i know there's a lot of people i get it all the time like you don't know who someone is until you live with them and and i was like i know who he is i've been with him for three years we still spend a lot of time together and i married the guy like i know who he is but it's just we're just a role reversal i literally will this makes me sound so bad I will just sit on the lounge and watch tv but he won't hit me

wait then I'm not kidding I will come in to help him he's so OCD in the kitchen like genuinely speaking I'm not just throwing that term around like there's ways that I get in trouble trouble in inverted commas if I've cut the avocado in a way he doesn't like for whatever he's making he knows what he wants to do and how he wants to do it and he doesn't want you to touch it I will go in he'll be like babe please go sit down it's better for me if you're not here and then he will clean up and then he'll come and give me a massage on the lounge I'm like what is this I was like how what is happening I was like how have I found this it wasn't until you said the massage thing now I'm of the belief that I'm like you're living in la la land surely not not every

day you don't know you do not get a massage after having three meals cooked for you and cleaned up Yeah, and he promised me. What do you do over there? You're just a freeloader. Chloe's. You must give such good Chloe's. Well, the first day is epic and then it goes downhill, yeah. And you're like, I've built up some brownie points.

I start hot. But you know what I do as well? Every single time, this time especially, I take lingerie over. I take sexy lingerie. I didn't even put it on. It's got the tag on it still. It's like you get my Bridget Jones. That's all you get.

Well, he married you, so he must enjoy the Bridget Joneses. But I do know what you mean about this stereotype. I actually had a really similar moment on the weekend for all of the rugby league fans out there, which I know that there are some of you within the Life Uncut community because we talk in the Facebook group all the time. Is it the highest percentage of crossover? No, but we are fierce. The Venn diagram is not particularly strong, but there are some of us.

And I had one of the best day, one of the best afternoons on Sunday. So if you weren't aware, it was the NRL grand final on Sunday and neither of my teams were Actually, it was quite weird because it's pretty rare for there to not be any New South Wales teams in there. So it was Melbourne versus Brisbane. And I don't really have any particular, like, loyalty to either of those teams. But I did go to the grand final two years ago where the Broncos lost. That's the Brisbane team. Just keep in mind I've given you a three-minute NRL limit here.

So I kind of felt sorry for them because they really had it snaked from them right at the end by the Panthers in 2023. and so I was like I really do hope that they're able to take it home this time so I was really keen to watch the game Tobes and I got back from Melbourne we flew in we had like all of the washing to do and all that stuff to kind of get the week started and this is how my evening played up Tobes did three loads of washing while you and I walked the dogs we came back he'd hung it all out it was all out drying he'd folded it later in the night he'd gone to the grocery store he'd made dinner not just for that Sunday night but also for the next three nights and portioned it into things in the fridge and because I was so keen on watching the rugby league grand final which mind

you was one of the best grand finals I have ever seen I think it was one of the best games I've seen in like a decade it was phenomenal I think it was the only one I've seen no I had it on the background with no sound on it but it was brilliant those tackles they tackled real good there was a moment where I looked at the clock and I was like oh it's 9 30 and Tobes was wiping the benches down cleaning up where he had made and I was like wow our gender stereotypes are really flipped in this dynamic you've got a vb on the lounge watching the footy unbuttoning my jeans it was fantastic hand down your pants just masturbating on the lounge to the nrl you took it too far but I do feel what you mean I didn't get a massage though I did not get a massage and I did invite you to

come around I actually want to read these messages to you guys because this is what Brittany's actually like behind the scenes I feel like I am who I am up front as well so you were coming over to get Delilah because we've had her while you were in Italy and I wrote you can come over and watch the footy grand final tonight if you like storm Melbourne in brackets and Broncos Brisbane in brackets it should be a good game and this was Brittany's reply That sounds very unappealing. I'm just being honest. If you threw some carbonara in there, maybe you would have got me.

Topes has made you carbonara before, actually. Yeah, I know, it was amazing. But, yeah, no, it was a fantastic game. I had such a good time. And the entertainment, something that I really get so frustrated by, and I know that this happens for the AFL as well, and it happens even more so when the performers are female, is that I am so hell-bent convinced that no matter who it is

and no matter what type of performance they do, The people who write for the publications in Australia already have the headlines printed. They've already got the controversy over performance. Did you like it or was it absolutely outrageous? They bombed out. They were so terrible. It's because they just want clicks. No one wants to hear that performance was brilliant.

Singer was amazing. It's like anything in media. Don't you think that people actually want to hear that though? For clicks, people want to hear it, but they don't want to, that's not what is going to sell, you know, like people want to see the controversy. that will not they don't it's not that they want to see it but people that are writing these journals that are writing these headlines have to get clicks on an article to maintain their jobs like you've got to have your stuff read and if you think if you are skimming down a page of

headlines like I'm not saying it's okay and I'm not justifying it but I know why they do it if you're really skimming down a page of headlines you don't want to hear Conrad Sewell nailed it like no teddy swims brill like you're gonna you're just gonna swipe past but it's if like controversially was he singing wasn't he singing do we like what he wore like you're gonna be like hang on what did he wear like you know which was quite entertaining yeah no it just really frustrates me because like i follow a lot of nrl pages like an instagram accounts and that kind of thing and i can say with like 99.8 of the comments were so overwhelmingly positive yeah and it's such an incredible thing like there's a lot of debate about like oh we should only have Australian

performers to open our grand finals and I actually tend to disagree and the reason I disagree not because I don't want to support people who are here in Australia but it's because it's really cool to try and get our sports international and like the NRL has done such a good job of doing that they play a game over only some of the teams go over but they play in Vegas and so we're starting to get this like more of an international American audience and so having people like Teddy sharing stuff on his Instagram from the NRL grand final to me I'm like this is really cool this is going to grow our game and this is going to grow for me it was a fantastic decision yeah my my priority this year was to grow the NRL in Australia so I'm glad that we're glad that we've discussed that

I just think that like it's such tall poppy of Australia you know like I really don't like this mentality that we try to keep everything that happens here like we just have to talk about it in such a negative way and people like there's almost like a cultural conversation about that like a why can't we just say these things were so fantastic and how lucky are we to have them. Yeah, and Teddy is also Teddy T-Dog. He's my man. You best do.

I do love him. Teddy literally has said like Australia is his favourite country and he loves it here. He loves coming here. So it's a shame if there were any negative headlines. That is why I watched the NRL. That is why. And I had the sound on at the start only for Teddy Swims

and then I just had it playing with nothing. And I actually don't think I glanced up at it. I just more set it for you. But Teddy was amazing. And the reason I'm crushing on Teddy is because he is like, if you guys follow me closely, Teddy Swims is like one of his songs, All That Matters is my song. So when I say my, like mine and Ben's song. So it's the song that we like hard launched our relationship to when we released like

this video reel in Paris. I will never forget it. When I was like, fuck it. I think you're my person. Let's like tell Instagram, you know, I was like, let's tell the world. And it was to this song, All That Matters, Teddy Swims. then my engagement video was to teddy swims as well and then my first dance was teddy as well so the music is always going to have these memories for me do you know what i mean like

it's all it's always associated with ben and love and like my relationship and now for me it's going to be associated with rugby league which i also think of when i think of love love and special and closeness and relationship you know what i i don't think i've said this yet but i almost i was so close to pulling off the ultimate surprise for Ben at the wedding. So I'd had all these little surprises for his wedding present. One was Sam Fisher singing our one in a million song that he made to walk down the aisle. But the second surprise was because our first dance was Teddy Swims, I had contacted, I was like, imagine if I could get something from Teddy and play it at the wedding and surprise Ben so I'd contacted Warners who I mean like we are lucky we have access to

contacts through radio so like we have access to different music networks or whatever else is it through radio or is it through the dog park oh yeah well actually my contact was through the dog park but have we ever told that story yeah I think so have we well just in case you haven't heard it so a couple of years ago this would have to be like probably four or four yeah four years the puppy yeah yeah four years ago we had an interview with Jess Malboy booked and we were going into Warner in Sydney to do the interview we were doing it from their office like Warner's music yeah and we'd been emailing back and forth with this person and it was like very standard very professional you know how we would normally talk shout out to Sarah anyway Britt eventually

got this email and it said so I'm paraphrasing I can't remember the exact words but it was basically like oh also just so you know we actually know each other from the dog park no she said she goes hey just so you know i'm actually sarah as in pepper's mum from the dog park and this is a woman that i had been going to the dog park with we both have australian shepherds we've been going to the dog park for like a year together but our jobs had never come up we just like used to say hello and we've been emailing simultaneously yeah for like a long time like it was back and forth it was probably 12 emails deep and we were like, Sarah, what the fuck? Why didn't you say this to us yesterday afternoon when we were at the park? I was like, why haven't you told me in the last

12 months? But she's the best. But yeah, so I contacted Warners and I just said, I told them, I was like, look, you guys know I'm getting married. Teddy's my man. Teddy's my boy. I really want to try and surprise him. Can you just ask him? Anyway, I wasn't expecting anything to be honest, but I'm a shoot my shot kind of person. And they ended up coming back and they said, he said he'll do it but he's in the middle of performing and a tour so it's like they were like look him saying he'll do it is is one thing but actually trying to find the time to fit it in is another and i said look i won't hold my breath but up until four hours before the wedding i was like messaging me like is there any and they're like sorry he's literally on stage but he was going

to record a video and just that i could surprise ben with which i thought was going to be really cute. That is so sweet. You asked for like a freebie cameo. I asked for a cameo. I would pay to be on cameo. 57 bucks cameo video. Every single year, or maybe like four to six times a year, new dating trends or new dating terms come out that kind of like summarize what's going on in the culture. And most of the time I find them utterly ridiculous. But this time I actually read these yesterday. There are five new ones predicted for 2026 that came out of Plenty of Fish. And I'd actually not heard of any of them that's because they're made up that's why we haven't heard i think that they have made them up but i found them actually quite relatable and they've got

some quirky names so the first one that they listed was chem riz tree like riz being in the middle chemistry but chem yeah chem riz i mean obviously that is somebody that you have that epic connection with in the early days it's actually not this one is about being more open to catching unexpected chemistry so it's got that's just meeting someone what but the point is is that they've kind of identified that a lot of the time you don't really see riz in someone initially and someone who does have riz initially might be like slightly on the narcissistic side slightly on the too cocky side and so this is about this chem riz tree is about giving it time to emerge. Isn't that just dating outside the box? No, that's a different one.

That's actually a different one that is coming up a little bit later. We're under a new name though. Under a new name. Okay. We've got a new term for it. This one is about slow burn chemistry. Okay. We've heard a lot about slow burn. I want to guess what they are. Don't tell me the answer. No, no. The chemris tree. The one that we were just talking about. It's about slow burn chemistry. And we should all be looking more for that in 2026. Like don't judge the ris too early. Yes. yes very good okay the next one is curveball crushing curveball crushing I feel like that would be when you throw a curveball you don't see it coming or it goes around so you don't think it's there straight away and then it comes back not too far

off this is where you end up really connecting with someone outside of your usual type or your usual checklist. So it's more about saying that you're completely outside of whatever your type was. Yeah. Dating outside the box. Come on POF. That's POF. Well, apparently they wrote that the main thing that kind of stops people from doing this is physical characteristics. So they're saying that in 2026, if you're still looking to find someone, you need to kind of let those physical characteristics go and you need to be curveball crushing. I actually feel like I'm a very good example of what happens when you curveball crush the person that I've ended up with was definitely not like he would not fit into I had kind of like two very common types

because you never dated anyone good they're all fuck boys that's why you were like oh my god I've never experienced this before I mean more like physical characteristics I kind of had two different types and they usually fit into one of those two streams of what I thought I would find attractive. Keisha, have you ever, I don't know, tell me if you want to stop down and not put this in. Have you ever told the story about the person that you dated that left? When I'm saying you don't date good people, I want people to understand what I'm saying. Like you dated people that have been really fucked. What do you mean that left? I had plenty of them leave. The one that left in the morning when you're in the shower. Oh, that wasn't even in the morning. No, I have not told

that story do you want to tell it or no this is the time yeah fuck it this was one of the most harsh and like hurtful things hurtful in the sense that i was just so shocked by it so what had happened is that a couple of months before brit and i were actually out together at a pub in bondi where we thought we were going to meet our husbands yes yes where we thought we were going to meet our husbands turns out that was not the case but this was when i was in my drinking era okay so this is when I used to send it back and I never thought I had a problem with drinking there's no problem with what you did at all that you're not the problem yeah no that's true actually I shouldn't you don't need you don't even need to set up how many tequilas you'd had so we'd met on

this particular night out and I think we'd kissed that night we'd kind of like gotten on right you got one you did I saw you macking on at the bar yes okay so fast forward a couple of months and I had been out to a bottomless birthday so like I was particularly not in a state where I should have been making good decisions and I ran into him and so we ended up going back to my we went back to mine and you know like things progressed right and I must have had Delilah at this time because and I'm trying like a part of this is me piecing things together so I remember that happening. And then I remember going and having a shower and I remember coming out of the shower and in my bed, this man no longer was. Instead, Delilah had parked herself in the bed and she

was ready to go to sleep. Like she was catching Z's already. And I was like, what the fuck is going on? Like, what just, huh? Like, where has he gone? And I was like, he must've gone and got in a drink of water. My next door neighbor was having a party and we had been there on our way home just to say hi to my roommate and say hi to my next door neighbor so I was like maybe he went back to the party so I've text my roommate and I was like hey is blah blah blah in there with you and he's like no what's going on so he's come back home anyway I pick up my phone and I call him and it's like this number is disconnected I'm also it's not it still makes me feel uncomfortable it's one of those things that you and I have laughed about and I'm laughing not because it's

funny I'm laughing wild I'm laughing because it's fucking wild it's like this disbelief that it shouldn't be shocking that people do it but there is just such a level of disbelief like he never told you he was a magician he never told you he was an escape artist it was he really got that post-nut clarity and decided that he did not want to be with me anyway so I was so confused I remember sending a text being like did you just leave which probably didn't go through because what I'm assuming is that I was blocked but then I remember the following morning I was walking along the promenade and I actually called our friend Kim because she was with us the first night that we met too and I was like I actually need to talk to someone about what has happened

like this has just never happened to me before this is just I was trying to comprehend what I possibly could have done in that shower it was so repulsive you start calling around all the hospital? She's like, I'm just checking. He hasn't been admitted. Anyway, as I'm talking on the phone with her and explaining what had happened, I got this text from him and he was like, hey, sorry, just had to get out of there last night. Like, hope you have a really good day. And I remember replying and I was like, that is the single rudest thing that someone has ever done to me before. And I remember trying to put a threat in there. I was like, you're going to want to hope I don't run into you anyway I've walked past him at least three times and nothing's happened doesn't make

no I make eye contact though I stare at him I know that I'm trying to separate my ego my ego was fucking shattered like I was so upset because I was just like I feel like such used goods of course but I'm now at a point what three or four years later that I can look back and go like that's not a me problem no it's not you can just pop your head into the bathroom and say hey gotta bounce no there is zero excuse for what he did none and like literally let's just break this down he came over fucked you you had a shower he snuck out and blocked you in the in the space of an hour i don't know if he blocked me or his phone went dead because he texts me the next morning he He probably thought about and unblocked you.

Yeah, maybe he thought. Maybe. Oh, no, I hadn't threatened him yet. I still, I genuinely have absolutely no idea. Nothing happened. He was just a fuckwit. Maybe I'm really bad at this. No, he was just a fuckwit.

But my favorite part is you saying, you better hope. You better hope that I do not run into you. Then you walk past him and you don't do anything. I actually remember, though, in all honesty, I remember you telling me this at the time. and we're going through your response you're like what are i right back and i remember saying to you stop making excuses for him because you were like i remember you saying something like he probably just had to go or like whatever it was it didn't mean anything anyway like you were trying to almost

find a justification and it's probably to protect you yeah i think i was actually trying to pad yeah the ego shattering you know for totally like it's fucking it's what a loser and even though you know like so many people listening right now have been in a situation similar like so many people and even though you know it's not you and you've done nothing and there's nothing that you could have done to justify that there's no reason they should have done that it still sucks it still makes you feel like cool am I not even worth like am I just a vagina to you like I understand why people feel that and I just hate that people feel that feeling like I'm able to laugh about it now And I hope that if this has happened to you, you were also able to laugh with me in solidarity.

It is so, I actually, I would say that's one of my worst experiences in the dating world. It was. And I know how far you've come now because you have never spoken about it. It's one of those things that you guys know we say so much on the podcast and Keisha's like, one day I'll be ready. Today's the day. I was like, I think because I was probably embarrassed, like genuinely, I actually thought it must have in some way have been a reflection of me.

it probably is a little bit of a reflection of how i felt about myself you know like i felt as though i was somehow uh responsible for the fact that he made that decision or maybe that i hadn't seen it as you know i hadn't seen the red flags coming which believe me they were screaming well before i ran into him that day and so maybe i there was a part of me that was just like no that's actually too embarrassing maybe this is my accidentally do you remember this is my truthful accidentally unfiltered you've made me just remember at the same time because you and I were swapping battle wounds at the time because we're both deep in dating but do you remember that absolute pig and you lifers will probably remember because I would have told it at some

point five years ago but I imagine there are that many new people but I was dating this absolute pig oh meat raffle if you guys ever go back and google meat raffle you can hear meat raffles episode that's the nickname we gave him and why did you give him that nickname I'm not going to talk about because that makes me uncomfortable I'm ill it makes me feel physically I just vomited in my mouth anyway he had like taken me on maybe two dates I think maybe like we'd gone to dinner and they weren't fancy we went to like a local Vietnamese or something like super cheap super cash nothing wrong with that it's just two dates and he'd come back to my house we were hanging out but it was like daytime it was just literally like we were going to the

beach for the day hanging whatever came back to my house and he was trying to have sex with me and I said no I was like I don't want to and then he kept trying to put the moves on and I kept being like hey I don't want to and then he cracked it and he goes you owe me do you remember that he said you owe me and I said the only reason I'm not like shocked by this is because I do know this story but it is still one of the most disgusting things I've ever heard no one has ever I've never been in that situation before and I'm so glad I was at the life stage that I was at where I was a very strong woman with experience to know that like it's not okay because it's very easy to for men to put women in a position where they feel like they're so uncomfortable and they can't

speak up and I remember being like and then he's like you owe me and then sort of like started trying to make out with me again I remember being like get the fuck out of my house I was like I don't owe you anything and he had this we had this full-on thing he's like yes you do we've been hanging out for days and i was like i could hang out with you for a fucking year if i want and not let you touch me i don't owe you a thing ever and i'll never forget and like the feeling of thinking of him now still just makes me feel unwell but like yeah so when i let's just circle back but when i say that you dated shit people you dated that was like an example but you also So you dated great people as well.

I did. I did have some great people, but I do remember actually having a bit of a moment after that happened where I was pretty rattled by it. And I remember kind of thinking about, and I think that this would be something that happens to all people who experience rejection and potentially even people who experience things worse in the dating landscape. There is like that consideration of, okay, so what did I do to contribute to this? And what can I change to make sure that this never happens again?

and I used to be in that headspace where I was like well maybe if I hadn't have done this and maybe if I hadn't have done that and now at the point that I'm at I so easily can recognize and I think that's probably why I can laugh about it now because I'm like that actually just has nothing to do with me it genuinely has nothing to do with me it wouldn't have mattered who I was in that moment yeah he would have behaved in the same way and so yeah I guess that's the only nice part of the story is that I remember for a couple of weeks afterwards I really laid low like I remember I didn't go out I didn't I don't think I went on any dates for a little while not so much because it would had nothing to do with the fact that I had feelings for that guy I couldn't

really have just knocked your confidence it really knocked my confidence and it rattled me heaps so yeah I get my anyway do we want to go back to the other dating terms for you what a segue what's the next thing okay the next one is love loring so law as in l-o-r-e love loring I wouldn't even know where to start with that okay so this is kind of a twist on the whole dating for the plot trend so you know how lore l-o-r-e is it's slang for like history stories the legend of a person you know so this one is like i said a twist on dating for the plot and it's a shift towards curiosity and adventures and being a lot more playful okay i love luring i used to love lore i think i used to date for the story yeah 100 but this is like a little bit of an evolution

from it where you're trying to be more adventurous and more playful in your dating life. So you're adding to like the law of your story. Okay. And next one, true casting. What do you think this one is? True casting. I reckon that is to do with fishing, like casting a line with truth. So like just tell people what you want straight up. That's pretty good. That's pretty close actually. This one is showing up to first dates as more of our authentic selves. It's the whole love me or believe me, I am what I am approach. Okay. I'm down for that. Yep. And then the very last one, this one, I thought it would be something very different. It's status flexing. So this actually has nothing to do with status or like financial things or nothing to do with that. It's about

dating the whole situationship trend. So, you know, when you're in those phases where you're like, we don't really know what we are like, Oh, we're not sure. I don't know what they, are they my boyfriend? Are they not? Are they, you know, what's happening? Are we dating other people it's about ditching that shit and defining relationships as early as you want the reason i have a problem with these trends is because two weeks ago there was a trend that was the opposite two weeks ago the trend was fucking owning the fact that you don't want a relationship and you don't want to put it out there and you're happy on your own and you're happy and like you know what i mean like it's like you don't want to put labels on stuff and now the trend is to put the

label on I'm like what is it what lane are you taking I think in dating hear me out we don't need a trend we don't need a name date for you and what you're looking for as long as you're being authentic I don't think we need to be like oh this is the dating trend as long as you're true casting as long as you true cast the fuck out of it then write to us and tell us so that we can talk about on the podcast so I want to talk about Paris fashion week but I don't want to talk about the fashion although it does look amazing one day I would love to go just to see what they all look like. Like I don't want to attend but just like to see all the stars arrive.

Don't you reckon? No, you're not interested. Really? Like I don't want to offend anyone saying this. I have no interest. I would just like to see the stars but I don't need to go for a flex and sit front row. I just want to like see people arrive in the beautiful outfit.

Do you know why I think I would be so – like even if I was in Paris at the time, I wouldn't go anywhere near it is because I think that it would just be – Overwhelming. It would be overwhelming but I know that I would compare and I know that I would feel less than. I know that I would be like wow I am so not cool here like look oh gosh these people look amazing and so polished and so creative and I look like I'm right now I'm wearing a hot pink t-shirt and

jeans and I've got socks on but you're not at Paris Fashion Week and also I would feel that but that doesn't bother me I know who I am and I know that I'm not Hollywood fucking elite fashionista anyway true maybe I've got some work today well last week was Victoria Beckham's she debuted her spring summer 2026 runway show and there is a photo there's a beautiful photo of Anna Wintour and the family and Cruz Beckham was there and Cruz's girlfriend Jackie Apostle was there and what was and is just a nice photo ended up sort of going off in the comments a little bit in the comment section somebody posted why is a 29 year old dating a 20 year old that's just weird I'm talking about Jackie dating Cruz so Cruz is 20 years old Cruz Beckham his girlfriend

Jackie is 29, so there is a nine-year difference, although everybody that reports on it says 10 years, right? I think it just like hits different when you hit a decade. Everyone's like 10-year age gap. Well, it also could be that it depends on when in the year their birthdays are. No, they're 20 and 29. They're nine years different.

But you get my point. Like if someone's birthday is in January and someone's birthday is in August, there is a period of that year where it might be 10 years. Okay, this is true. So it started off a really interesting discussion. So she, Jackie herself, actually saw the comment and responded to it. So instead of just leaving it, because you know how sometimes, well, all the time, people

say don't give something oxygen, there's always trolls on every account. Like no matter how big you are, someone's just going to say something nasty. Usually you ignore it, but Jackie commented back. So she said, why is a 29-year-old dating a 20-year-old? That's just weird. And Jackie wrote, because he's kind, funny, smart, caring, driven, mature, talented, loyal, and also quite handsome. I mean, I like that. I think that that's a really cute response. She said it in a nice way. She's

not attacking her. She's not having a go at her. She puts a little love heart face, says all these reasons why she loves him, but it's still making a lot of people feel uncomfortable. And I think it's worth unpacking why, because you wouldn't bat your eyelids if we were talking about this the other way around. If Cruz was 29 and Jackie was 20, you wouldn't. It's the normal, especially in Hollywood. Like a 20 year old is always going to date a man that's like nine years old. I don't I don't think it would hit the same. I think for me, like being completely honest, and obviously there are going to be, like they're going to be exceptions to this.

There's going to be shades of gray and this is not necessarily black and white. But for some reason, I do feel a little bit more uncomfortable when one of the people in an age gap relationship is less than about 25, maybe even 23. And I don't know whether that's because I just have this overarching feeling that there is a bit of a power imbalance. We often talk about power imbalances when we talk about age gap relationships, and that's not always the case. And I think in this situation in particular, it's probably less so the case.

But I was actually interested in how common age gap relationships were and what was the most common age gap that was actually found within relationships. So there was this big study done across 130 countries, and they found that the average age gap in romantic relationships is about 4.2 years. In hetero relationships, the man is generally older than the female partner. Now, it's also been found on average that the older partner in the age gap relationship is happier than the younger partner. And this effect was especially pronounced when the older partner was a man, again, in a heterodynamic. And the last point that they found in this particular study

was that countries with higher gender equality and income slash education tend to have smaller age gaps. So countries with more inequality between genders, and again, I'm talking about heterosexual relationships, they tend to have larger age gaps. Oh, I think this, for this particular situation, it's not the age gap, but it's the timeline gap. So it's where they are in their life. So it's not the nine years. It's the nine years when one is 20.

That's the problem. So it's not nine years when you're 30 and 39, that's fine. It's because he's 20 years old. And now I battle with this. I am on the fence and I hate being on the fence, but I see both sides. and part of me teeters one side and I say, oh, it feels a bit weird. The other part is like, actually, he's an adult. Why is it weird? But I think it's because in America, you can't even drink. He can't legally drink yet. When you are 20 years old, I think it's also very situational

for who you are. Cruz Beckham is not a normal child. He didn't have a normal upbringing. He has a life that no one else could fathom. I think he would have grown up very quickly. he seems that family seems very mature because they had to learn to live a life in the spotlight and I think they'd be under a lot of rules I don't think he grew up parallel to a lot of other people his age so I think that he would be really really mature and whether you want to say this is a reason or not she didn't list it when she said she loves him he's very wealthy so I would think and I'm not saying that's why she's dating him but there is a security like there's a difference with dating a 20 year old that you know never has to worry about money or a 20 year old that

hasn't started his career yet is a struggling student and like of course that's probably not going to have the same appeal to people but I think that he would be not your average 20 year old and that's what I think the world maybe is forgetting when they're crucifying this relationship I think he's probably a lot older than his years I think that you're definitely right in saying like he has financial autonomy where most 20 year olds in that situation would not in comparison to a 29 nine-year-old. And I guess that kind of financial autonomy actually highlights something that I think we kind of all internally maybe even have a little bit of, and I'm putting my hand up of this and saying that the way that we think about age gap relationships is a little bit classist. You

know, I think we don't have anywhere near as much of a problem with it if we're talking about celebrities who are really wealthy, who are not necessarily going to be doing it because they have no other way of financially supporting themselves. We seem to kind of think that they're hot. I mean, you think about all of the men in Hollywood that are dating much much much younger women we don't seem to I mean I know we have problems with it but I don't think we have Leo yeah I don't think we have anywhere near as much judgment as what we would if this was a random set of people from you know down the street that had normal lives and it was a 40 year old with a 20 year old like I think a lot more people would kind of raise their eyebrows about that situation

well it's because you know that they're there because they have a choice they're not forced to be there for any socioeconomic situation you know it's not a power imbalance you know in this situation of course Cruz is more powerful than than Jackie but Jackie in her own right was a super successful singer she was in a band she's big in her country I think she's Brazilian she's doing just fine on her own like I don't think whilst one is more powerful because of their family status I just think it is a very equal relationship that is purely founded on them both just liking each other I also think that there is a certain thing that happens when the woman is older and whether this is internalized misogyny or not I think it kind of exists within all of us

because of the messaging that we've had for so long about women and desirability and the fact that as we age we become less desirable we become less sexual and so we kind of find it weird when a young man would find an older woman sexually attractive well no I think there's actually some research somewhere don't quote me someone said something powerful somewhere but that a lot of younger men find older women very attractive now whether that means they want them as a life partner is a different thing but there's always an attraction to an older woman but the problem here is that the reason it feels weird for people is because a year ago he was a teen that's why a year ago he was a teen and he can't drink yet so that puts you in your mind whether you think

he's mature or not it just puts him in a category to double down I don't think there's a problem with this relationship. I don't have a problem, but I can see why some people feel uncomfortable by it. But I think most of that also comes down to the reason it's different when the woman's older as well is because we have biological clocks and we need to get a kick on with things if you want a family. So it's different if you are, you know, she's about to turn 30. We don't know her situation, but hypothetically, if she's like, cool, I really want kids now because I've done my twenties. I'm in my next chapter and he's only 20 years old. He might be so far away from that so that's where it gets a bit tricky in a relationship but I have been in

that situation so Jordan my ex if you're new here my last partner I dated for 18 months two years he was 25 when I met him and I was what was I the cradle snatcher I was 31 or 32 yeah you would it was like yeah it was like seven years difference I think I remember almost not dating him because of that. I remember being like going on a date with him, didn't know how old he was, really liked him. We hit it off. And then I remember thinking, oh, I can't date someone in their early to mid twenties. I was like, what are people going to say? My first thought was, what are people going to say? Because I know this society, women aren't allowed to do that. Well, they're not going to come out unscathed. There's going to be so much judgment. Was there judgment? Yeah, of course

there was. And that's why terms like cradle snatcher exist. Sorry, I was just having a No, but that was a point I was going to make. Cougar and cradle snapshot, right? Tell me what the terms are for men that date younger. None. These are these labels that we slap on women if they date someone younger. You would even get that slapped on you if you dated someone three years younger. And we almost do it to ourself.

We always laugh. Now, I say it all the time. I'm like, yeah, I'm a cougar. I get it. Because we're so used to somebody labeling us like that. But men do not have a label if they're dating someone younger. It's like they probably just get high fives from their friends. Well, I remember even at that, you know, you're talking about your relationship with Jordan.

I remember it was really early on in that relationship that you were freezing your eggs. Yes. And I remember that being a bit of a weird thing for you to be like, oh, I'm having to consider attempting to safeguard my fertility because I feel as though I'm in a bit of a different stage to you. Yeah. And I told him that, like I was already doing that when I met him and I was, what was that dating term we spoke about earlier?

What's the, the way you tell the truth? True casting. True casting. Love me as I am. See, great dating tip. I true casted the shit out of Jordan because I was like, let's just call a spade a spade. I just met this guy, 24, 25. I was freezing my eggs because I'm in geriatric pregnancy.

And I just told him, I said, hey, this is where I'm at. Obviously, I don't know what my future is, so I'm freezing my eggs. And I thought that would turn him off a lot like, oh, she's so old. But he didn't care. He could not care less. And the reason is he was very mature. Again, not a normal life. he'd been a professional athlete since he was 16 on the road living like they grow up differently

and I say that because I think that's what Cruz Beckham the situation that Cruz Beckham would be he's not a normal 20 year old Ben my husband he's five years younger than me like yes I have a thing for younger men I'm not mad about it spring chickens I like a spring chicken but like I didn't think twice about the age gap with Ben because the timeline was later so we were older So he was 29, turning 30, just about to turn, I think he turned 30 within three months of me meeting him. Whereas, you know, Jordan was 24, 25 and it felt different. So the age gaps weren't that different, but the point of our life were and the ages that we, yeah. And that felt different. One other aspect of age gap relationships that I had never considered before had to do with

attachment styles. And this is not like studied information where they've got statistics. It's more anecdotal, but it was a concept I'd never really thought of before. And it was the fact that if you have an anxious attachment style, you might be more likely to end up with a partner who is older than you, who will be able to kind of lead you through certain stages of your life that they might have already started and you haven't yet. Yeah. But I don't think, I mean, I think that's really obvious. It's a safety net. Someone that's 10 years older than you is going to be more financially secure has had more life experience is you know it's kind of going to soothe that anxious attachment and safety in opposition to that if you have an avoidant

attachment style you might be more inclined to go for a younger partner because there's kind of the idea that you know it's going to be a little bit easier there's going to be less commitment expected so quickly and maybe they are going to let you take more time to I guess take off the things that people usually think have to happen in long-term relationships yeah and generally speaking that's why men usually date down they don't have to worry there's not a timeline pressure they don't have to worry about having kids and proposing and getting engaged and I'm not saying it's an excuse but you know that things come with dating an older woman that not necessarily what it's not a blanket statement but like Ben and I moved very quickly because I'm in my mid-30s so

if we want you know we were freezing embryos within six months yeah you're not going to do that if you're 24 generally speaking you know because you don't have the pressures and the time constraints that you do when you're a little bit older and that's why and there's a lot of men that say that's why they date down obviously there's other reasons they just want to fuck someone younger as well like what's called spade a spade but it is a consideration like guys are like well in there when they're in the 30s like i know i don't want to settle down anytime soon if i date somebody else that's in their mid-30s there's a high chance that we're going to have to move really quickly yeah look i think reading over this yesterday a part of me did have to check

myself and be like kish you would if cruise beckham slid into your dms you'd be sitting on it you'd be straight there i can guarantee it you'd be like what's the difference you'd be like doing those calculations where you're like it was 15 years okay yeah i could make that work i feel about everyone thirsting over robert irwin on dancing with the stars i feel the same i find it a little bit strange but i'm kind of like what's it to me it's none of my business like there's a part of me that has had to check myself in this you'd be moving straight into the beckham's mansion you would be like cruise let's cruise David what's up yeah no I'm more into David I think yeah but David's not hitting you up cruises it's my hypothetical I just think that there's an

aspect of me that if I'm being totally transparent and I really hope this isn't hurtful to anyone who's in an age gap relationship I think I have a little bit of work to unpack because I do have an element of judgment in there and and I've always thought of it in the sense where I was like no but these people are vulnerable and that's why I have judgment over age gap relationships because that's what I mean I'm kind of looking at these going these people aren't vulnerable I actually have two friends who are in age gap relationships and I'm thinking about much bigger age gaps than yours and I'm thinking about them being like they're not vulnerable they're completely autonomous people like who am I to have a judgment over who they choose to be with I feel like I need

to I need to check myself in this equation and Cruz Beckham maybe this is what you have provided of my life so thank you yeah let's let them live that's what i that's my final answer on this let them live well it is time for suck and sweep our highlight and our low light of the week do you want to kick it off kish i have the sweetest of all sweets and go first sorry i'm sorry i tell you what you and laura we're six and a half years i'm filling in for laura and i'm trying to be her okay so my suck this week look it's a bit of a joke suck but i think that a lot of people will relate to this. So Tobes and I went away for two nights to celebrate my best friend's engagement down in Melbourne over the weekend. We had a really, really good time. I think it

was one of those things that I didn't realize how much we maybe needed a little bit of time to get away and spend time together. He's been away for work a lot lately. So that was really, really nice. But my suck is that we spent nearly the entire time that we were away just saying how much we missed Bonnie the dog like it was my first proper amount of time away from her and I now get it Terps and I literally said to each other I was like what did we talk about before we had this dog all we wanted to talk about was Bonnie we were looking back at videos of Bonnie photos of Bonnie bringing up the cameras that we've got the security cameras in the backyard to be like I wonder if she's outside and sometimes if she was outside playing with Delilah I'd be like look at how cute

she is like my my suck is that now I get it I get it how you don't want to be away from your little ones I'm in that stage my sweet is somewhat related and it brought me the biggest hit of dopamine that I've had in years so we bought a house in I think it was like April or May or something like that and the first time that I walked through it I walked into it's got a very small backyard so there's like a little carport to one side and then there was a tiny little garden-ish area kind of like a courtyard but more like elongated so it's like a rectangle and I looked at it and I was like oh that's fantastic because you know in my head I was like that means we'll be able to have a dog but it had astroturf and I again no shade to anyone

who likes it no shade to anyone who has it I despise astroturf. Well it's just astroturf's not good for a pet. I hate it. It makes my skin itchy. Anyway, we had this AstroTurf and it was starting to smell like a urinal, particularly if we had Delilah as well, because you've got double the dogs peeing. Don't you victim blame Delilah? She was doing what she was supposed to do. She was peeing outside on the fake grass. Anyway, I just hated it. And so I organized with my brother, who's a builder. He was really kind and he brought two of his boys from Newcastle to Sydney and they ripped out the AstroTurf. They took out some of the trees and I got grass. And now the grass is becoming my new personality. I actually joked about this. You know, Holly

Kingston, she's been on the podcast. She met her husband, Jimmy, on The Bachelor. Jimmy was The Bachelor. I've actually been messaging Jimmy about this now because we are both obsessed with lawn. Yeah, except he has like an acreage. Yours is like one meter by half a meter. He told me I need to get those shoes that aerate the lawn. They've got spikes on the bottom and I was like, I'm going to look that up. You have a meter of grass. You don't need shoes. We've got like six square meters of grass.

But it's my whole new personality. I'm looking into lawnmowers. I'm going to get the trimmer that goes along the side. Anyway, I've been out there watering the grass three times a day. It's the best thing I've ever had. That's enough. It's the best. That's enough of the sweets.

The girls love it. Okay, Keisha's sweets are lawn. I love that for you. My sock is just jet lag. gonna call space bait can never get over jet lag it's it really rocks me so i'm taking sleeping tablets which i don't recommend but like i need to be able to sleep at night to come to work at 7 30 my sweet is like gonna be super annoying for you guys because i'm only gonna give you half of it in case it doesn't happen but today we have 90% locked in i guessed for next week

that i have wanted to get for so long and this is going to be the most annoying breadcrumb i will tell you who it is next week if we get them because they'll be on the podcast and i will tell you who it is if we don't get them anyway but i don't want to give it away yet but i do want to say that like it's probably one of the guests i've been the most excited about in such a long time so that's my annoying fucking i'm that stupid person that's like breadcrumbing like oh my god watch this space can't wait to tell you like i hate those people this would be great if they cancel but it's well yeah but it just sort of has coming through in the last day or two so it's it's like almost a hundred percent yes and it's going to be epic let's say 90 90 yes

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