Life Uncut - Are Cosmetic Injections the New Fight Club? Propagating and Suing Because You're Undatable

Episode Date: February 5, 2024

Hey Lifers, Britt is on her home run of recording from Scotland. We chat about navigating long distance & how it's going to work for her in 2024.Laura is... propagating. Lots of propagating. She might be a lost cause at this point but at least the house will be filled with fresh oxygen!We speak about a man who is suing people who outed him on a facebook group as being bad to date. Sounds a lot like someone who wouldn't be great to date to be honest...We also unpack the new crackdown that the TGA is having on the advertising of cosmetic injections. While existing rules banned Botox ads, that didn’t stop clinics from scooting around them by using 'code words' like “anti-wrinkle treatment” and “lip filler”.But not anymore! Essentially there's no longer going to be any advertising of these types of services.We raise the question of 'is this going to reduce or increase patient education about the procedures that they may wish to have?' Is the TGA putting energy into scrutinising the right thing?We previously spoke about our views on cosmetic injections and you can listen to that here!Plus we have accidentally unfiltered and suck and sweet! If you have an question please send it on it to life uncut podcast on Instagram hereJoin us on tiktok Or join the facebook group here Tell your mum, tell your dad, tell your dog, tell your friend and share the love because WE LOVE LOVE! xx  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Life Uncut acknowledges the traditional custodians of country whose lands were never ceded. We pay our respects to their elders past and present. Always was, always will be Aboriginal land. This episode was recorded on Darug Walamutta land. Hi guys and welcome back to another episode of Life Uncut. I'm Brittany. And I'm Laura. And this is our last week of doing cross-continental records. My last week from a wardrobe in Scotland on the other side of the world.

Next week, baby, I'm back on Aussie soil. Thank God, because today the internet is not being our friend. And Britt, it looks, well, she kind of just looks like a giant marshmallow to me. I can hear you. I can feel your presence. But your white jumper just blends into your face, which has had no sun for a while. And so you just kind of look like a giant blurry white thing right now. Wait, wait, wait, wait.

Am I blurry for you? No, you look banging. Actually, you look like a block out of Tetris. This morning I was getting ready to come to work and I put my clothes on and then I realized that my dress was slightly, it was slightly creased and I needed to iron it. And I have a steamer at home. And then I had the thought where I was like, do I take the dress off to steam this? Or do I just steam it with the dress on, which could end in me getting burnt, but I'm going to try and do it anyway. And so there I am in the bathroom spread out with the steamer up my dress. And I burnt myself on my stomach everyone because it did it ended exactly the way I thought it was gonna end

but I did it anyway because I'm a fucking idiot I don't think I've ever steamed anything that wasn't on my body I'm the worst for I'm like risk it for the biscuit I know the same thing's gonna happen you know the outcome you choose to ignore it this is the stuff that happens to you when you're a child and then you get exposed to the bad decision making and you get better at it as you're an adult but I think that I still do these things on a regular anyway so like I said before it's my last week here it really hit me so I've had a really good amount of time overseas with my partner Ben and it looks like we're not going to see each other for a very long time like months and I had this moment where I woke up yesterday and he was going away for the night because he

was playing football in another city so he had to drive away and I was all by myself and I had this moment where I was like I don't want to leave I don't want to do anything like I'm really looking forward to coming back to Australia because I miss it but I don't want to be away from him and I just sat in bed and it's so depresso but I just sat in bed and cried for literally five hours and then it got to about 2 p.m in the afternoon and I was like oh I know but also disclaimer on my period so very hormonal as well no you're like I'm actually fine I'm day one period so like by tomorrow I'll be over it checks out happy to go home but have a period no and it was it was really really sad and I just cried the whole time and then I did realize the period was

there as well so it's like a double whammy how do you think you're going to respond when you get back here no it's going to be really tough because it's the longest time we spent together and we really just started to live life like it wasn't like we're on holiday and doing all these fun extravagant things we were just living like just went to the gym went to work came home I worked at night had dinner went to bed and it just felt really nice to get into that flow because I haven't had that in so long like anyone I've ever dated we never got to that point like I never made it that far I'm trying to think if that in the time that we've been together nah never Brit never in the time that we've been, I say we've been together, like we're dating, but in the time

that we've been together, you've never had like a prolonged proper stint where it's been stable in the one place. And I say this because even when you were Jordan, you guys were traveling around on the tennis circuit at the time. Also it was like mid COVID. So nothing was normal back then, but like, I don't think I've ever known you to date someone and then just date. Yeah. And we know like, you know, we've delved into that over the last four years that it was me I'm the problem it's me I had commitment issues and every time I picked someone that I knew I couldn't have that stability with I intentionally think I did that and I probably did it again this time with Ben but I have like forced my way through the forest and I'm in the clearing and I feel like

I found that person in that space and I'm finally living like every other normal person should live and now it's being turned upside down and I'm coming home again so I don't know it's going to be rough and we've got months apart again so it's going to be like lots of nude face times or whatever but yeah I feel like I'm like back to square one but at least I have that security of what I think is my forever. Do the two of you have any more of a game plan in terms of like how because I know that we've spoken about long distance before and one of the things that we kind of touched on was this idea that you've got to have you've got to have a timeline like you've got to have something to focus on but then when we spoke to Erin Holland who has been navigating

a long distance relationship for a really long time she was kind of like well I never had an end plan like me and my partner just did long distance for almost forever and then we got married finally. And they'd been together for eight or nine years at the time. Do you feel like you have a bit more clarity around things? Yeah, not really. I mean, we have a game plan long-term as in forever, which, you know, we know that we want to be together and get married one day and try to have kids and all of that. Like, but that's such a far away plan that I feel like it's impossible at the moment to plan anything any sooner for work purposes. It's just too hard. and who knows what's going to happen with the next couple of years but for now I think

when you say you need something to look forward to I really agree like you have to be working towards something and I say this to people in my dms all the time people that write in about long distance I'm like pick something whatever it is to be holding on to and working towards and for us it's literally just the next time we see each other but we make plans together all the time and that's half the fun of it right like we're making plans about what our house is going to look like one day in Australia whether that's 10 years away the dog that we're going to get what we're going to do on the weekends but we plan that from a decade away and I think having that excitement keeps you motivated in a way but it's also romanticizing something that is still

so far out of reach so it's a bit of like a double-edged sword I know that you sat in bed depresso yesterday but I am excited to have you back I can't wait for you to be back in the studio and I know I've said this every week. We need you, Brittany. Yeah. Yeah. Well, my entire weekend was spent propagating plants, hashtag plant era. I know I told you guys last week, I wasn't lying. I am deep. I am deep in my house plants. You guys might've seen on the weekend. I propagated my fiddle fig. It's been my project for the last month. And I would say that it is my biggest achievement of 2024 thus far. Yeah. I mean, my kid had its birthday as well, but I propagated to fiddle fig that's the benchmark now if you can grow a little weed out of a plant that that's

your highlight of 2024 so far i would like to put it out there most people think fiddle figs are hard but they thrive on neglect and i would go so far as to say that if you put it in front of a big lit window not direct sunlight and just ignore it and water it once every two weeks you will have a thriving fiddle fig and I know no one cares but I deeply do deeply I googled so I could put the link into our show notes you're getting fucked by the ads oh my god the ads the ads Keisha oh my god every day never go onto their website or you will get fucked in the ass by ads like literally what do you mean you couldn't hear I just said to Laura because you know how for the vibes I get the actual link to put in the show notes because I googled it now I'm not exaggerating

when I say like 80ish percent of my sponsored ad content are these fucking lies and all this different shit to do with plants. Laura, you've just ruined every life uncut listener. You just fucked everyone. I have, I can't even tell you. I've had so many ads, but also they work because I bought more lights. You served yourself an ad and then got sucked in. You're like, oh, this looks good, but you brought it on yourself. Let me tell you though, your weekend, your week that has just passed has been very, very different from mine. Look, what I will say is I was wildly impressed. I will admit, I always thought too, cause I'm not a propagator. I don't propagate. I buy, I put in front of the window and I hope for the best, but you made me want to propagate.

Say it again, propagate. And throw it in some soil with a bit of like. One more time. propagate say it slower whisper it to me ew stop it you sicko hold me down spank me and say propagate that's laura's safe word with your own money she's like propagate it's not my safe word it's just my word now okay it's just i'm like matt turn all the lights off and talk about propagating to me talk dirty to me no literally dirty like soil propagate bring the garden soil into the bedroom earthworms i got them sorry too far that's rank that is really gross oh my god okay anyway guys fuck we've actually got some interesting stuff to talk about today i promise yeah on the podcast many moons ago we spoke about the australian

website sis is this your man now there are loads of websites around the world that are essentially the same thing where you basically go on to ask if anybody knows a certain person that you might have been dating did you have problems with them or you can go on the website purely to out someone you can say as much or as little as you want I mean the point of sis is this your man in Australia is like if you've had a terrible experience dating mostly it's men obviously but if you had a terrible experience dating a man you can go on there and warn other women so like you know I think it has its benefits I think it definitely has its positives but when we spoke about it in the past we touched on how it could kind of like err on defamation because there's no proof in it right

if you've had like a subjectively bad experience with a boyfriend you could go on there and say xyz about them but you don't have to provide proof it's just your experience and so actually funnily enough the last time we spoke about it Keisha got blocked because they have a lot of rules around like how what happens in cis is this your man stays in cis is this your man so we're not here to talk about it negatively, but there has been some revelations on what is the American version of the website. Imagine getting blocked on that. It's like, I remember when I got blocked on Bumble, I was like, this is a real low point of my life. If I can't even go on Bumble, but there's a website in America, the American version is called, are we dating the same guy? And it's

predominantly a Facebook group, which has like hundreds of thousands of members. Like it's absolutely humongous but I think this is really funny it's probably not funny but there's a guy on there he's 27 he's Chicago based he's been the topic of conversation on this thread for quite a while and quite a lot of women have chimed in being like you know he did this to me he said this to me people put photos up named him some of the stuff is quite innocent like you know he ghosted me some of it's he hung around and was the perfect man until he slept with me and then he ghosted me when I was like sounds like every single guy I've dated in Sydney but there's also people who are like just kind of name calling the guy like calling him clingy talking about how he's

like terrible to date and it kind of errs between slightly problematic behavior but this was like a real sort of thread pylon of a lot of women so he obviously was dating a lot of people in the same area I understand the benefits of this Facebook group right and we spoke about this many moons ago but I understand when it's very problematic and somebody is doing horrific things illegal things, violent things. I don't think ghosting is one of those reasons. Like I don't think that ghosting is a reason to go and out someone like everyone, you ghost Laura, like everybody, everybody goes. It's part of dating now. Is it right? No, but I don't think it's reason to go on a pile on, on a public website. I have ghosted. No, I agree. I think if someone has

assault charges out against them, then the website serves a purpose. You can warn women from being treated or, you know, you can warn women to actually protect them from something that could be gravely dangerous to them. But I do think if it's more around like, hey, this is a public service awareness announcement about a guy who sometimes doesn't show up to dates. I think that the experience that you have dating one person could be a very different experience dating another person.

Like I have ghosted people in the past because I'm conflict avoidant and I don't like difficult conversations. I was in my twenties, okay? All right, and I'm codependent. So you've almost ghosted professional people. Could you like, I went right back. No, but this is the thing, right? The way in which you act in one relationship isn't always

indicative of how you act in another. Unfortunately for this guy, it seems like it was because there were so many women who said that he behaved pretty badly throughout multiple relationships. But this guy, his name is Nico D'Ambrosio. He's from Chicago, he's 27, but now he is suing all of these women and Meta for a ridiculous sum of money because he's saying it's defamation. this didn't happen I'm not a ghoster I'm not clingy I'm cool and now you've hurt my feelings and I'm gonna sue you all I mean I would love to know what the basis is for the legal claim like are you suing someone because you can't date anymore is it defamation because it's affect your employment like what impact has this had on his life and if it's the fact that it's like had

an impact on his dating imagine going on tinder or going on bumble and matching with someone and then being like actually mate you're on this website how embarrassing for you because like in that instance if you haven't done anything problematic I would say that sucks like the poor guy's getting cock blocked just because he's codependent and you're conflict averse and a little bit clingy someone might love that give the guy a chance but also on the flip side I'm like if he actually is problematic and shit to date I do like the idea about women warning women around what's going on in the dating world okay well we are a very fair jury here this is what he has to say hung he oh i wonder if he they said it has caused him humiliation emotional distress and

reputational damage and resulted in unspecified loss of earnings he says their wrongful conduct is so outrageous in character and so extreme in degree that is beyond all possible bounds of decency and is to be regarded as atrocious and utterly intolerable in a civilized community such a big statement that's such a big statement but also the thing with defamation is that if it's true it's not defamation so all that these people have to do is be able to prove that either he goes to them which i mean a text message thread would probably be an indication of that or clingy that's subjective isn't it like that's a subjective thing to experience but i do think and i wonder like meta is the bigger issue here because meta provides a platform where

everyone can create different communities and a lot of those communities go sort of unfettered and there aren't enough rules and regulations around what can happen on their platform because ultimately they don't want to restrict people because they just want as many people using their platform for as many things as possible and so i kind of think at the end of the day if he's going to sue someone sue meta don't sue the 25 girls that you already screwed over in a very funny turn of events it was then released and I think it was released by these same women I don't know how this came out but it was released that Nick this guy that is suing him for money has been in court all month because of tax evasion so he owes all this money because he doesn't pay his taxes

so I think that's the only reason he's suing them is to pay money that he already owes add that to the thread added that he's a tax evader oh now he's a criminal put that in the thread look my opinion on this is that if you are a guy and you have shown up on one of these websites and 27 women are telling you that you're a dick, this is a learning opportunity. This is a moment for you to take some time and reflect and maybe take a little bit of responsibility and go, Oh, maybe, maybe I am not the best guy that there is to date out there. And I probably should change my ways because like, it's one thing if it's a pile on and you never dated these women, it's completely made up and fabricated. It's an entirely different thing if it is a real experience and nobody in

that group is coming to your defense and saying, oh, actually, you know what? I dated him. He was a pretty great guy, but it didn't work out. If there's not a single person in there who's doing that, that says a lot more about you than it does about them. Now, last year, Britt, you weren't on this episode because at the time you were going through your fertility treatment. Keisha and I, we did an episode, I think it was in November, October, but we got onto the topic of talking about cosmetic surgery and also injectables, how we felt about it, not just what we've experienced or what we've done to ourselves, but also around how freely accessible cosmetic injectables are now and how it's almost at our age, a right or expectation that if there's something that

you don't like about yourself, just say you see a new wrinkle pop up, or there's something about your face that, that you would go and get it quote unquote fixed. I think a lot of this comes down to how prolific it is that it's been advertised. It's so accessible. It's so visible everywhere on social media. There is conversations around cosmetic injectables and also within friendship groups now as well. I think you reach a certain age and it's something that girlfriends talk to each other about. Now for so long, cosmetic clinics have advertised things like Botox, things like dermal fillers without specifically saying that they are providing Botox or specifically putting in the medication name but what they'll say is is they'll say oh you can get

wrinkle injections here or you can get plumper skin injections here there's all different terminology that they've used to get around the fact that they can't advertise medication now the TGA has come down and cracked down on all this type of advertising and they're saying no longer can cosmetic clinics use things like wrinkle injections or use any other advertising that would pertain to the medication, which is the Botox or the dermal filler. Not only can they not talk about it in advertising, they also can't show before and after photos. They can't list pricing, like buy this, get like a bundle package of pricing on their advertising. There's been a bit of uproar about this in the cosmetic industry. And the reason for that is because they're saying

that without being able to advertise, what that's actually going to do is it's going to limit patient consumer information. It's going to mean that our access to information around cosmetic injectables is going to be minimized. It means patients are not going to be making informed decisions around the things in which they're having done to their faces or their bodies. But I think that there's a whole other part of this to kind of unpack, which is, is it around the limiting of information or is it around the limiting of advertising and therefore the limiting of cosmetic injectors being able to make a lot of money off people's insecurities? I'm not at all convinced that the stopping of advertising that you can get an anti-wrinkle in

this clinic is going to stop people from wanting to get anti-wrinkle injections and I'm just using anti-wrinkle injections as an example but I'm talking about any cosmetic procedures I worry that people are going to be a little bit willy-nilly about that education now I'm just going to be like oh you know what like everyone's educated surely I don't need to see before and afters I don't need to see disasters I don't need to see anything about it I'm just going to go pick this clinic that I know does a Botox injection and off I'm going to go. I think there'll be problems in that sense with not having that education. I don't know. I disagree with this. And it's always something that's sat really uncomfortably with me. It seems like the lack

of restrictions around, for example, you can go on to Groupon and buy Groupon wrinkle injections. And for me, I'm like, okay, you would never ever go to a GP for any other type of medication and say, hi, I have XYZ and I want this specific medication. What you would do is, and I'm talking about a prescribed medication, which is what Botulin, which is, you know, Botox is, it's a prescribed medication. I would say it's very rare that you would go to a GP and ask for a specific prescription. Normally you'd go to a GP who's the qualified healthcare professional, and you would say, this is what's wrong with me. These are the things that I'm not happy with. And they would say to you cool we have the experience we have the knowledge and they would say here this is what

we recommend and this is the way in which you should use it but the reason why the cosmetic industry is so flipped on its head is because we walk into a clinic and we say hey I did my research on social media this is the thing that I want done to myself and I guess the reason why I have an issue with that is because I come from a place where and this wasn't even a cosmetic injectable this was a laser, which I also think there needs to be way more restrictions around how people use lasers and also the education piece around lasers. I have always struggled with pigmentation. It's been something that since I was in my early twenties, it's something I've dealt with. And I went into a really beautiful, really high end cosmetic clinic in Sydney when

I was like maybe 24 years old. And I said, you know, I have this pigmentation and I want to get this specific laser which I had found online and I thought it was like that you know it was the thing that was going to revolutionize and just totally resurface my skin and make it better and then they sold me up on three packages I bought instead of just getting one they were like you need to do a three-course treatment if that's the laser that you want I bought it I paid for it I got the first round done I walked out of there and I was like I don't think that that went the way that that should go like I felt like my face was really burnt and I didn't go back for the second or third treatment of this laser. And years down the track, I'm talking, you know,

I'm 37 now from when I was 24, I have hyperpigmentation where it completely took the melanin out of my skin or hypopigmentation. I don't know what it's called. That one's hyperpigmentation, one's hypopigmentation. It completely took the melanin out of my skin and I have white spots on my cheek from the place where the laser burnt and completely extracted the melanin out of my face. And now part of me thinks as a 24 year old who educated themselves because of social media and a website, surely the doctor or the nurse or the practitioner who was administering that should have looked at my skin type, which I now know is completely not suited to those types of lasers. They should have said, you know what? You are not suitable for this.

You shouldn't be self-prescribing. And I think that that's what these new, well, not even new, that's what this crackdown on regulations are trying to have it's trying to say to people you shouldn't be walking into a clinic and self-diagnosing yourself whether it's because of an illness or because of a cosmetic procedure that should be left up to a qualified practitioner so I kind of think that the gray area shouldn't be around the advertising the gray area should be upskilling practitioners to ensure that they are only administering things that are going to do good rather than just like trying to make an extra buck and Keisha I know that you had reached out because when we were doing research for this we wanted to at least know that what we were

talking about from both sides. Yeah a friend of mine works in this industry and has done for a very long time and I sent her the article that we were talking about and she kind of had a few points that I thought were really interesting. She said for someone that she used to work for some of the training that they did to become you know this person was already a registered nurse and was becoming a cosmetic nurse and some of the training that they did especially during COVID was predominantly online. She said, I don't know if she was ever physically assessed. And if it was, it was like a half day thing. Watch one, do one, and that's it, you're passed. Wild.

Yeah. She also said that from her perspective, it's interesting that they're cracking down on the advertising when she thinks, and this is someone who's in the industry who saw it day in, day out, that the standard of which the training needs to be assessed is what should actually be increased. Like the regular assessment is where she thinks they need to be putting a bit more attention. I do think that maybe it's a twofold thing. And like we've spoken about cosmetics before in the past and none of us have an issue with it. We think that it's something that should be accessible. If you want to go and have whatever you want done to yourself, that is totally your prerogative. And there's no way do I say these things because I think that it should be shameful.

But I also think that if you're getting stuff done, you should be very, very, very aware of what it is that you're having done. And I think it's the practitioner's responsibility to be educating people on what they're doing. Another example for me where I think I've had an experience where it's fallen short. So Keisha and I were having this conversation around Profilo. I don't know if you guys know what Profilo is. It's quoted as a skin booster. So if you see it in the same way that Botox is called anti-wrinkle, Profilo is called a skin booster. Now, I didn't know. I had no fucking idea that profilo is literally a different word for filler. It doesn't change the shape of your face like filler does. So it's not a dermal filler in though it's structural

because it's very liquid based, but it's made from the same compound. It's just a very watery version of it. And what it does is it hydrates your skin. It makes it, you know, glowy and amazing, but it's five injections on one side, five injections of the other. I had profilo four times before my wedding. And I still would have said to you all, I've never had filler. I've only ever had 0.5 mils in my lips and I didn't like it and I'm like you know I was like a fucking filler snob and here I was getting something that is the literal definition of filler yes it doesn't change the shape of your face all that you know whatever but no one had told me what was in it no one had told me what was being prescribed and what I was putting in my face

and then recently I went to go and get profilo and this is after I know the irony I spoke about on the podcast how I was like you know I'm gonna ward off injections for a while but I was like I'm going to go and get profilo because it's not like Botox or filler. Anyway, I'm there at the appointment and I'm sitting there and she goes, okay, so she's the cosmetic injector, but she's like, we've got to call into the doctor. So I'm then on a FaceTime call with a doctor, which is the first time that's ever happened in anything I've ever had done. He spoke to me for all of 30 seconds. He literally looked at my face and he was like, yeah, bitch needs some filler. No, he looked at me and he was like, ran me through like the contraindications, things that could

go wrong. And he was like, look, one of the things that you could get from this is occlusion. So if you guys don't know, if you're getting filler, one of the big problems with filler is that if it gets put into an artery, it can block your artery and then you can get necrosis. Like it's really dangerous if that happens. And so he was like, okay, one of the contraindications of profilo is that you could get an occlusion that could happen. It's really rare, but it can still happen. And it's more rare because it's fluid. And I was like, wait, wait, what? And he was like, yeah you know because it's a type of filler and I was like I'm sorry what I had no idea and it's something I've had done to my face four times can I just say that I think you are talking about

exactly what they are cracking down on I have a problem with the fact that they're like you can't use the specific words of the actual medications because it's kind of like when you're teaching kids about the anatomy of their body and now we're really encouraged to say no use the real words because then it doesn't get confusing for them. I feel as though we've been in these loopholes of, well, we can't use the real words, so we're going to use this other word that is kind of exactly the same thing,

but it's an umbrella term and it's not specific. That's exactly what happened to you with your face. It was you and I speaking about it in the car and you were like, no, it's not filler. And I was like, I'm pretty sure it's hyaluronic acid, which is filler. It might be made in a different way, different consistency, but I actually think that you're talking about

exactly what the problem is. it's hard to educate people and it's hard to make an informed decision of what you want done to yourself or whether you want something done to yourself if they're not being specific with the words that they're using. I totally agree and I think that that's why this crackdown is important because I do think that the skimming around and using things like anti-wrinkle injections I know that we are cosmetic literate but not everyone is cosmetic literate. Though I feel as though they should not be any regulations of using the specific words. No no that I mean that I mean, if you're going to talk about it, talk about it, be literal.

But I think that there has to be rules around the advertising. And I think that the way in which that they have interpreted it and the way in which they have been sneaky has created so many more issues. The cosmetic industry has created the issues for itself by trying to get around TGA's original rulings, which is like, don't do it at all. That makes me question the TGA. Yeah, right. And I think you guys had this really good discussion.

It was quite a while ago now, but I remember when they brought in the rules around advertising of sunscreen and everyone was like surely this is a stupid rule I don't so much criticize the cosmetic industry for skirting around it because they've got businesses to run and they need to you know get clients in the door why is the TGA cracking down on the use of these words in advertising in the same way that they're doing the sunscreen to me it doesn't make much sense if you're talking about informing your customers and that's exactly who the TGA should be focusing on should be focusing on the safety of the patient, not around the ins and outs of what they can advertise, in my opinion. This is totally my opinion. I just think that the issue is with

what the TGA is focusing on rather than perhaps exactly like you said, the skill set that is needed to administer the actual things. I couldn't agree more, Keish. One thing I do love and i do approve of is apra which is the regulatory body in september of 2022 introduced like a hotline where you can dob people in basically which i think is great but you can call up and they've had like 600 reports and in 18 months and 14 of those have actually been shut down like 14 clinics because they were deemed not appropriate and not up to standard i think that's brilliant and I think they are the things that people should be focusing on taking those people out of action that they cannot work anymore but taking away terminology and not letting people

understand what is going on in their face and then you're ending up with people like Laura an educated woman swearing to god that she's never had a needle or filler in her face hanging on by a thread everyone yeah my life spiraled out of control I honestly here I am thinking I'm a cosmetic elitist because I'm like I've turned my back on it where really I was getting a full face of filler i was thinking how good you look and i was like what's this bitch doing i think she's lying to me i swear to god because like you get it you're like benjamin button you're like honestly she's gaslighting it she's like i swear i'm doing nothing i'm just drinking some extra water to be fair and in my defense and i will defend myself because i'm

being attacked when it was october and we're talking about this i was i was a fucking bare faced cosmetic virgin again I hadn't had anything done but then I saw a photo of myself in December and I really spiraled I fucking spiraled I had I did a photo shoot for a okay pet adoption month which is so dumb I had a photo shoot with Buster for pet adoption month and I was like why do I look like I'm asleep when quite clearly I had a full face of makeup and I'm awake so that was my issue it's like you're getting breast implants but you're like I swear to god nothing has happened don't worry guys I'm gonna tell you all about my labiaplasty when it does eventually happen because one day one day we'll be there okay one thing I wanted to add on to this which I think

is an important thing to consider the cosmetic industry world has moved so quickly over the past five years I think from where we were at five years ago where it was stigmatized it was shameful it was like no one talked about whether they had anything done you would have to get your lips done during like holidays so that no one knew and you'd hope that by the time that you went back to work no one would fucking remember what your lips were like. It was just really shameful. Things have moved so quickly. Social media has played a massive part in progressing that conversation very rapidly. And I think a body like the TGA is probably a little bit archaic where sometimes the systems and processes don't quite match up to what's happening in the real world real time,

because the people who run these big organizations are not necessarily people who are young and have their finger on the trigger in the same way. And so I guess where they're coming from, because the TGA, it's the therapeutic goods administration. It's the same company that puts restrictions on things like Panadol, aspirin, anything that's a prescribed medication, they are the body that deals with that. And now obviously those worlds are very, very different, but they work in traditional medicine where, like we said at the very beginning, you go in, you get a prescription. And so I think that they're viewing the cosmetic industry in the same lens of like, okay, well, that's a prescription medicine so it should be treated in the same way but the thing is we don't

treat our cosmetic in the same way that we treat our health we just don't as people we view those things entirely different and I think we expect to have more autonomy over the cosmetic procedures that we have done rather than the health procedures which in which we kind of offer up to GPs and people who are a bit more qualified and at the end of the day if you're going to treat those two things in the exact same way then the people administering them have to be treated in the same way as well. So it has to be only qualified doctors, not a nurse. And I'm getting a doctor for 30 seconds. Do you know what I mean? I think that that's where the changes would need to happen on that level. Yeah, I think that is interesting. And when you speak specifically about skin,

you know, and cosmetic stuff, I've been in the situation where I've had perioral dermatitis, seen a GP for it. I actually have it right now. So I went through this process very recently. It's such a bitch. It's so annoying. And it just gets you when you least want it. And there are options that you can used to treat it and one of them is antibiotics and one of them is a cream i think it's called elodel cream i don't know what the actual like drug in it is but i was given the option of those things and i was able to choose if you're to compare that situation to cosmetics do you go in and you speak to someone about wanting to get rid of wrinkles and they offer you

the difference between botox or what's the other one that lasts longer there's a different type of synthetic botox like do you know what i mean where is the choice made and if you're not able to read up on these things because you've seen it on Instagram and that kind of thing how were you able to make an informed choice about what option or do you just have to blindly trust the practitioner well I guess that at the end of the day we live in Australia even if there's restrictions across the type of advertising that local clinics can do there's not restrictions across global advertising and I don't think that it's going to change much in terms of what we're going to be able to access because we can still access cosmetic information from the States. We can still access cosmetic

information from Turkey. If you want to go and get your hair transplants done, like there is still such a prolific amount of information that is out there. I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing that there are more limitations, especially when it comes to like the pricing, the bonus, get this, you know, buy a discount pack of six and you get X amount of money off. Like I think sometimes those things can really trap people into buying more of something that they haven't even experienced yet and it's not based on what's best for the patient it's based on upselling the product which at the end of the day when it's a prescribed medication that feels deeply problematic to me well it is time for our accidentally unfiltered your most embarrassing story one of my favorite

segments and i'm well i'm taking you to an office today i'm taking you to a work accidentally unfiltered we're not doing any poos today on our accidentally unfiltered we get a lot of poo ones but this is a solid one. It's a solid one. I've recently started working with my ex-boyfriend's wife and I'm her manager. Don't worry, we get along well. Oh, that's so weird. One day at work, she was having lunch with other colleagues and they were all huddled around watching a video. I was still working near the lunch table, but I could overhear a lot of pretty solemn music and profound speeches coming from the video that they were all gathered watching. For example, i was hearing i was lost without you and that's when you saved me in my head i was trying to

figure out what they were watching and without thinking i yelled over are you guys watching the live stream funeral or something oh that's so morbid my ex's wife looked up and said no it's not a funeral it's actually my wedding video I died I couldn't even find the words to reply I felt so bad to make it worse our colleagues didn't know the history that we have i.e that we dated the same man they couldn't believe I compared her wedding video to a funeral oh my god could you imagine someone's watching the happiest day of their life and you're like who died this is so miserable you are miserable okay what I need to know about this is though, is that does she know, does the wife know that they used

to date or is that a secret? Cause that would be a scandalo. No, everyone knows. This seems like a weird imbalance of power being the boss of your ex's wife. I feel like that would take some level of maturity that I probably don't have. You definitely don't have it. I would like to think that I'm an emotionally mature enough person to be able to handle that situation, but I think I would abuse the imbalance of power you would you'd be like toilet needs cleaning haha fucked your husband she's like but what I'm a social media manager you're like getting there I've seen his dick too haha okay too far anyway all right suck and sweet highlights and lowlights of the week this week my highlight it was Lola little Lola bear which you guys probably have

no idea who I'm talking about Melon my daughter it was her third year old birthday and I literally can't fucking believe it i cannot believe that she's three years old her third year old birthday that sentence doesn't even make sense did i say that third year old she turned a third year old birthday i'm still sleep deprived no i feel like i'm still lactating i feel like i literally just gave birth to her yesterday fuck my vagina still looks like i gave birth to her yesterday but honestly it feels so fresh i just can't believe that she's three years old already and she's just turning into like a i mean she's always been a cool little human but she's such a little cool kid and it makes me really happy and then i also propagated a fiddle fig so like i'm just

my cup is full my suck for the week no i can't say that because it's plant related oh my god no okay i'm gonna say it anyway fuck you all my suck for the week is that my frangipani bush has a fungus and i need to figure out how to get rid of it i know funguses are hard people no one wants a fungus no one wants a frangipani bush with a fungus anyway we've got this beautiful frangipani bush in our backyard it's huge huge and then I found out it's got frangipani rust and that's a real hard time for everyone anyway I'm so sorry to hear that thank you sad news and now I've got like fungicide stuff in my bathroom but it's for a frangipani tree things have really spiraled out of control in my life do you know what this is like when producer Keisha

she got onto her sleep train and all we heard about was sleep for an entire month. Trust me, in one month's time, it'll be something else that's weird and I'll bring it to the table. Like maybe I will get really obsessed with cheese

and we'll start talking about cheese next month and that'll be something you can get behind. But until then, the frangipani needs some fungicide. Laura, I can't wait to upgrade from plant propagation to cheese.

I cannot wait for that episode. Welcome back to Life Uncut. Actually, that is exciting. I really have a soft spot for cheese. So my suck this week it hasn't happened yet, but I am leaving in a couple of days. I'm leaving this week. I'm coming back home to Australia and I already know it's my suck because that's all I'm thinking about every single day. So my soul is a little bit crushed this week. That's my suck. My sweet

is that I'm spending basically the best part of the week with my sister, Sherry, her partner, Jay and Ben. We've really made an effort to all get together and have some really wholesome time because I'm not just leaving Ben. I'm leaving Sherry, who's my best friend and my sister and my family she lives over here so we've always been so close so I feel like it's like a double whammy you know I'm leaving more than just my romantic partner I'm leaving everyone that's closest to me so that's it also you leave and then you become like the fourth wheel because well actually the third wheel really because then Ben and Sherry hang out the whole time and you're like but that's my boyfriend I want him Sherry's like hi we're just cuddling in bed you're like this is getting

weird guys let me come back yeah okay it is weird that you're having sleepovers in the same bed yep not not ideal no just quite more anyway guys that is it from us if you haven't subscribed yet jump on to wherever you listen to your podcast you can subscribe to life on car it is free we don't charge you like other bond cars do we just keep the content coming so if you go and hit that little plus sign it means what that does for us is so much it means that you will get the episodes as soon as they drop so they'll be there in your library but it also means that for us we can be featured on explore pages it can help people find the podcast and by doing that it helps us get bigger and better guests it helps us grow the podcast it is truly it is the juice of life to

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