Life Uncut - Bondi Tragedy - Losing the Importance of Truth in the Race to Be First

Episode Date: April 15, 2024

Hey Lifers,Today's episode was particularly difficult to record. The whole nation is grieving the loss of 6 people in our community after a horrific act of violence on Saturday afternoon at Bondi Junc...tion shopping centre.Within our team, we have personal connections to some of the victims and we want to send our most sincere love and support to the families and loved ones who have had one of the most horrific events imaginable take place. Today we speak about the way that this incident was reported in the media, and the lessons that we can learn from it. In a time where we are so demanding of instant information, it seems as though respect, permission, grace and importantly the need for the information to be true has been lost.And, on a lighter note we also have a chat about how to know whether you should invite your partner to an event/hang out.In this conversation we spoke about an episode that we recorded about askers and guessers. You can listen to that here Vote to keep Britt in the jungle! VOTE HERE You can watch us on Youtube If you have an question please send it on it to life uncut podcast on Instagram Join us on tiktok Or join the Facebook Discussion Group Tell your mum, tell your dad, tell your dog, tell your friend and share the love because WE LOVE LOVE! xxSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Life Uncut acknowledges the traditional custodians of country whose lands were never ceded. We pay our respects to their elders past and present. Always was, always will be Aboriginal land. This episode was recorded on Gadigal land. Hi guys and welcome back to another episode of Life Uncut. I'm Laura. And I'm Keisha. And look, today's episode, I know, we know you guys come here for the levity and for the lols. And sometimes you come here for more deep and introspective conversations, which happen
Starting point is 00:00:38 from time to time, believe it or not. But today's episode feels really, really different. And I'm sure you guys are so aware of what happened in Bondi over the weekend. And if you aren't, or maybe you're an overseas listener, so the news hasn't reached you yet. On Saturday, there was a mass murder that happened in Bondi Junction. A 40-year-old man walked into Bondi Junction shopping centre and went on, I mean, what's only been described as a stabbing spree. And as a result, six people were murdered and 11 people are still in hospital.
Starting point is 00:01:12 Some of those people are in critical care. And this is such a different, we know horrible things happen often in the world. and this feels very different for multiple reasons. One is because of the proximity. We live in Bondi. We are so close to Bondi Junction from the physical location of where we are but also because of the proximity of friendships and yeah producer Keisha is friends with Ash who is the mother who was murdered and so we wanted to have a discussion today around what happened but also around the media and the rush to report on information and whether that reporting is even factual or not.
Starting point is 00:01:55 I know it's something that we see happen and it plays out really often when there are big tragedies that happen in the world. But I guess because of that proximity that I mentioned, this feels very different. Yeah, I'm sure a lot of you have read about Ashley Good. She was 38 years old and she was the mother that died died protecting her beautiful nine-month-old baby, Harriet. We became friends a couple of years ago. One of my closest childhood friends of over two decades is Ash's best friend.
Starting point is 00:02:25 And everything that's being reported about her is completely true. She was human sunshine. She was just the most positive, joy-filled, beautiful, beautiful human being. And her proudest achievement and the thing that brought her the most joy was being a mum. You know, we spoke behind closed towards about whether firstly whether we were even going to record today I didn't know whether it was distasteful and then I also felt like it was disrespectful not to because I think the people who died on the weekend they deserve it they deserve to have their the stories of who they were told and they deserve to have the respect of the families who are grieving and the loved ones who are grieving at the moment and I know that collectively across the country everyone's
Starting point is 00:03:07 heart broke over the weekend I know that every single person is feeling a level of devastation that's quite truly incomprehensible and a lot of us are trying to make sense of it and I think it's something that will never make sense and to be completely honest over the weekend there were a couple of things that happened that I was really really disappointed in in terms of media and I'm particularly speaking about the way that this was reported throughout the media. Well I think the thing that stood out to me the most and I think for anyone who's been following the story Ash has become the poster child of this horrific event it's her face it is Harriet's face that has become the most widely circulated their story is the story that people are most I guess invested
Starting point is 00:04:00 in in some ways and and that's a horrible thing to say but the media has pushed that story out because the devastation of a mother being murdered whilst holding their baby, that gets more clicks than the rest of the people who were also murdered on that day. And I just want to read out the names of everybody. The six victims were Yixuan Chang, 27, Pikri Adashia, 55, Jade Young, 47, Dawn Singleton, 25, Faraz Tahir, 30 years old, and Ashley Good, 38. I guess the big thing I wanted to talk about off the back of this and keisha i know i know that this is so personal for you i i also just really quickly want to say like i by no means whatsoever i want to center myself in this tragedy like i want all of the sympathy to be given to the people who i think
Starting point is 00:04:50 are deserving and right now that is ash's beautiful partner and her family and her friends you know and the family and friends of the people who have tragically died you know like it's something that I feel is very important. And yeah, I definitely don't want to get on here and kind of take that light, if that makes sense. But I do think it's important that we talk about the way that this was reported, because something that caused a lot of distress for Ash's beautiful family was that without permission, photos of her and her daughter Harriet circulated pretty vastly across media outlets. And there's something that we need to learn here. There's something that we need to learn about these tragedies and when these circumstances happen. And I acknowledge the
Starting point is 00:05:35 fact that this probably happens every single time a person is killed in this country. And unfortunately, that means it happens a lot more to women than what happens to men. Collectively, I know that we live in a society where we have this desire to have information immediately. We want to have faces and pictures immediately. We want to have information at our fingertips and the immediacy of it, I think is where we can get into some really murky territory. Well, it's almost changed. Like the way in which people access information has changed. And I think it to me was like a real moment where I understood people now find out about their family members dying. They find out about their friends dying, not by receiving a knock on the door from police,
Starting point is 00:06:19 but by finding out from the media or even by social media, because so many news articles repurpose the clickbaity headlines on social media. And that's, it's the photo that's been pulled from LinkedIn, or it's the photo that's been pulled from someone's Instagram. And that's the notification of a death of a loved one. But I think more and more, there's this almost media rush to be the first person to report on something. And something that really stood out was in this media frenzy to report on what was happening and to be the fastest and the first, which the only reason why media do this is to get the most engagement on the articles that they're producing. Channel 7's official 7 News Australia YouTube account, it's got over 1.6
Starting point is 00:06:58 million subscribers. It reported by Monique Wright and Michael Usher underneath a YouTube video with the wrong attacker's name. So they said that Benjamin Cohen was the murderer. Incorrectly reporting who had actually murdered, it was the first time that a name had been released. And this person's name, Benjamin Cohen, circulated for over an hour online, all across Twitter, all across X as it's now called which just shows that like it didn't really matter about the fact checking and it was human error as they've come out and said but I mean a human had to physically type in the wrong name in order to have that scoop first. I think the thing that we also saw which is being for me I think really quite disturbing is how many people have centered the tragedy around
Starting point is 00:07:39 themselves in terms of their own proximity to Bodai Junction. I think so many of us would have seen people posting saying, you know, that's the center I visit, or I was only there yesterday, or, you know, I go there with my daughter. And I understand the sentiment of that conversation. I understand the fear that a lot of people felt because I felt it myself. But I think it's very different to mention that to someone who's in your friendship group or to someone who's sitting on the couch next to you. You know, oh my God, I was only there yesterday. It's very different to post that online when a very real person actually did die. A very real person actually was attacked because I think it takes the conversation away from what happened and it makes the conversation
Starting point is 00:08:16 around yourself. Now, this isn't an isolated case. Any great tragedy, we think about Samantha Murphy who was murdered when she went out for a run and the amount of people who reflect that back to saying, well, I run in the mornings and that could have happened to me. I don't know if we need to have this personal self-reflection of putting ourselves in the situation of something in order to have empathy for it, especially, and I think it's okay when we do it on a personal level, when we do it with our friends but I do think it's problematic when media outlets start doing it and when media representatives start doing it as well. I think something else that was quite disturbing over the weekend was the immediacy of which videos were shared on X or Twitter you know there were
Starting point is 00:08:56 videos of victims of this horrendous attack and and they were posted so quickly that there wasn't even time to identify the victims and let their families know you know like if that was your loved one you would have recognized the outfit that they were wearing look I don't I mean I don't want to point the finger at any one person I think that this type of thing is the type of thing that we need to look at as a collective society and I also don't want to point the finger at anyone who you know posted a photo of Ash with her daughter as the photo that they led the Instagram post with or you know that we're giving updates on the situation I know that it's it's a product of what you've become used to having to provide people and I don't know how we put the brakes on this
Starting point is 00:09:43 because now we live in a society that is so desperate for immediate information it almost doesn't matter whether it's true or not and it almost doesn't matter whether it's been given the grace or the approval of the people who are directly affected by this. Yeah and in saying that ashley's family came out and they had expressly asked for photos of harriet to not be shared and at the same time media outlets across australia was still sharing the photo of ash and harriet as like the headline image that was um supporting the article it goes to show that like the incentive of many media companies and i would say all media companies to be honest it's not about what's best for the victims and the victims families it's about what gets the
Starting point is 00:10:23 most clicks and there's this incredible quote from denzel washington which i'll put in here but it's all about how with media and a lot and a lot of reporting it doesn't matter if you're right straight away it matters to be first because the news cycle is a business and as much as it on one hand is to keep us up to date and to keep us informed on what's happening in the world it also is to be the first to the pit with that story but i just love to like put that little quip of the denzel washington quote in here because it really this is from two years ago but it has never been more true if you don't read the newspaper you're uninformed if you do read it you're misinformed what do you do that's the great question what is the long-term effect of too much information
Starting point is 00:11:04 one of the effects is the need to be first not even to be true anymore so whatever responsibility you all have to be to tell the truth not just to be first but to tell the truth we live in a society now where it's just first who cares get it out there we don't care who it hurts we don't care who we destroy we don't care if it's true just say it sell it yeah the Guardian has already published an article that is related to what, you know, we're talking about here, Laura. The title of it is false claims started spreading about the Bondi Junction stabbing attack as soon as it happened. I think we've been really desensitized to the sensitivities that we should provide people in these circumstances. And because of that
Starting point is 00:11:46 desensitization, I also think that people have taken it upon themselves to kind of, look I don't I don't know if they do this because it's easier to put the pieces of a puzzle together because you want to make sense of it and because there can be some type of closure that may come from trying to make sense of something that doesn't make sense you know like the incident on Saturday will never make sense there will never be a reason that I think is like oh that's why that happened it's just so completely fucked and so I understand like the human nature to want to make sense of this and say, why did this happen? And how did this happen? And we want information on this person. But so much of what was reported on Saturday afternoon was incorrect. It was
Starting point is 00:12:29 misinformation. People's commentary and their opinions and their initial assumptions were being reported on as though they were facts. I mean, what you're mentioning, Keisha, the Guardian article that has come out, it talks about the Islamophobic and anti-immigration comments that was circulating as soon as it happened, it was almost as though as soon as the photo of the murderer was released, it gave people license to start making up their own minds as to what might be the motivation. And so much of that commentary was religious based, which I think really contributes and shows the level of racism that exists within our society. It's now been reported on that the motivator was that he walked into the shopping center with the intention of attacking
Starting point is 00:13:11 women and that they were the main target. There's been more reports on it from people who have investigated the footage he walked straight past men he avoided attacking men and the only man who was murdered was a security guard who got involved to try and stop him but everyone else and all the other victims were female as it stands now we're only in the middle of april and 28 women in australia have now died at the hands of male violence 1.8 women a week but my question is when are we going to in this country see violence against women as an ideology as that being enough for us to stop down and say, what the hell is happening? That a man would walk into a shopping centre and target women in this way. It's so deeply horrific. But I think that there's a
Starting point is 00:13:55 greater problem around violence and around the dangers in which women face that needs to be discussed. There is one part of this Guardian article, which I think is worth mentioning, because it supports what we're talking about, this idea of the fight for being first with information. And it says, each tragedy that attracts global attention is now an opportunity for social media accounts to attract followers and revenue off the back of inflammatory claims or to fit the incident into a predetermined narrative before the facts have emerged and this weekend was no different there will be a time that we can examine this and go okay what did we as a society do right here and what did we do wrong we are all mourning you know whether
Starting point is 00:14:35 you knew these people personally or not i know that the whole country right now is mourning everyone's devastated and i think it's so important before we do wrap on this conversation like acknowledging Amy Scott the New South Wales police officer who completely unassisted by a team she was in this vicinity of the area she heard what was happening and she ran in by herself I mean it wasn't by herself she was with three other people who were just civilians but there's just such a level of bravery to go and to put everybody else's life above your own and to go into that situation and and for anyone who's not across the story like I said if you're listening to this from overseas but the murderer was shot dead in the shopping centre and then there's footage of Amy
Starting point is 00:15:17 there doing CPR and she's just such an incredible hero. I think for the New South Wales police who do often receive such a bad rap it was such an incredible moment of bravery from her. For me today I felt the desire to share that I'm so incredibly proud of our beautiful friend Ash for what she did for her gorgeous daughter and it's being told that her last efforts while she was alive was to protect her beautiful daughter and put her in the arms of two wonderful brothers that aided in in keeping her alive and I know that for a lot of people especially I think for mums knowing that if they were in the same situation they would have done the exact same thing you know there were so many acts of bravery and so many acts of kindness towards other people
Starting point is 00:16:05 of helping other people and the humanity of it yeah yeah I think in such an act of disgusting inhumanity the other side of it is that there's this collectiveness and this sense of wanting to help a stranger and there were plenty plenty plenty of reports of that I know that there was a lifeguard from Bondi who went and provided first aid there was Bollard man who was Ukrainian and there was another French man who contributed to less people being hurt I want this to be about the wonderful people who helped in this situation and the innocent people who went to the shops on Saturday afternoon and very tragically have had their lives taken from them and I want to continue on with this episode because at times like this you know we we do need to find the joy in life
Starting point is 00:16:53 I guess I just wanted to provide a little bit of context as to why today was a little bit harder and also switching gears into talking about silly things that are sex and relationships yeah like it's just it feels a bit jarring and I just wanted to acknowledge that like I don't really have a an articulate way to say sorry this is going to feel weird and this is going to feel like a big step to the left but um you know I think that that's reflective of these situations these things all coexist at the same time and you're expected to turn up and and live your normal life and and you can be going through a really hard process however that looks for you I think it's also reflective of like the podcasts that we create and I think it's part of the for me the
Starting point is 00:17:34 privilege the joy that we get to have incredibly challenging conversations that are so charged with emotions and feelings about things that we feel deeply about and then we also get to have conversations about things that are silly and light and you know that are here to make you guys laugh and to make you feel like you know life isn't as heavy as what sometimes it is and so with that in mind as well we really did have the the very conscious decision around how to structure this episode and we wanted to talk about what happened in Bondi but we also still wanted to provide you guys with an episode so yeah let's get into the rest of it Laura a couple of days ago a TikTok went very viral by a creator called bran underscore flickers so he's created
Starting point is 00:18:18 this scale of how to know whether it's appropriate to ask can you bring your partner or can you bring someone along with you I also like the way that he's described he's like the classic tale of can my boyfriend come which is a problem that we have all faced you know and the the idea of like do you have the self-awareness of what is and isn't appropriate situation to ask because I think the problem is is that if you've ever been in a situation where someone who you care about who you're supposed to be doing something with whether it's a dinner or whether it's to go to your wedding has said oh can I bring my boyfriend which one might assume and when I say boyfriend I mean partner, but one might assume that it's usually when it's in a newer relationship, that asking
Starting point is 00:18:57 that question should come with a level of self-awareness. However, some people seem to lack that. See, I also think that this happens in long-term relationships, like long, long-term relationships, where there's almost this like natural assumption that you're supposed to... That you're a twofer. Yeah, that like an invite to one is actually an invite to two, but that's not always the case. I don't know if I told you this, and maybe this makes me an arsehole. So at our wedding, we were trying to bring the numbers down so we didn't want to have any more than 80 people at the wedding the wedding was pretty small and it was pretty intimate and for matt and i that was
Starting point is 00:19:29 achievable because we have really small families like i don't have any cousins on my dad's side matt doesn't have any contact with his dad so for us our families are little so a lot of that number was made up by friends but then as you go down the tier of the list of friends which feels weird to even like well but it's true it's true what I mean is that you start with your family then you go to like your best friends and then you go to friends who maybe you haven't seen in a while who you question whether in five years time you'll still be friends with them or not like are they even going to be there right so there was one friend in particular who was like I had not seen for so so long but at the same time I was like they're a really big friend from my past
Starting point is 00:20:11 from my childhood so I'll invite them but I'd never met their husband who they hadn't been with for very long but they were married and I didn't get invited to their wedding so I was like well I'm not gonna invite the husband because I don't want to have someone I don't know at the wedding I don't want to be meeting them at my wedding so I invited her but and then I think that she was quite ticked off that the husband wasn't invited and she did message and said oh do I have a plus one and I was like no it's not it's not on no sorry wait sorry she asked weren't you weren't invited to her wedding you and matt were not invited no we weren't we're not invited and she had the audacity to ask you she to be fair though it wasn't a way wedding which then makes it more
Starting point is 00:20:51 tricky she would have had to come away and i i get i get it look if you don't ask you don't get in life but at the same time i was like the audacity no i'm so sorry i would love to meet him but not at my wedding so this guy bran he broke it down into the two axes of his determining factors were intimacy and formality. The TikTok is a minute 42 seconds. So I'll play a little bit of it for you right now. My opinion on if it's okay for you to bring your significant other to our plans depends on two things. How formal are the plans? Am I inviting you to my wedding or am I just asking you if you want to get drinks after work? And how intimate are these plans? Am I inviting you to a big group activity or am I just asking you to hang out one-on-one? Let's start
Starting point is 00:21:32 over here. If I ask you to do something very casual with me, just one-on-one, grab dinner next week go to brunch take a walk and you look me in the eyes and say okay can my boyfriend come you're fucking weird for that you can't go out for drinks with me for two hours without bringing your fucking significant other i'm sorry that's codependency to me just because you're dating him doesn't mean i have to now if i'm inviting you to go get drinks with me on saturday and there's a big group of people going and you're like hey can i bring my partner it's a reluctant yes over here if i invite you to something pretty formal maybe it's a giant birthday party for myself or a wedding a ton of my closest friends are going to be there i personally am inviting your significant other
Starting point is 00:22:07 i am texting you and i'm saying hey i'm having a birthday party next week please bring your boyfriend you don't even have to ask big formal events i think you should always offer now this one's a little trickier it's a formal plan but it's more intimate maybe it's a birthday dinner where there's only eight seats at the table or maybe it's a housewarming or a dinner party this i'm just gonna say read the room if it's my birthday dinner with just friends and even my significant other isn't going why would you ask if you could bring yours that's weird if it's a housewarming party where I invited 10 of my closest friends just ask me first I'm probably going to say yes think of it as in like a sliding scale a t-axis so basically at the top you've got
Starting point is 00:22:42 large group at the bottom you've got intimate small group and then on the other axis you've got casual hangout and you've got very formal event so basically you've got to plot out where it sits on this scale which we're going to post it on social media so you can screenshot it and you can kind of use this to your own devices I came up with a couple of different categories against it. She's like, this does not float. I just don't think it's the main things that I consider when I question whether I'm going to ask, can I invite my boyfriend or not? The three things I like to consider are dynamic, logistics, and reading the room. Bear with me. People don't always have the ability to read rooms.
Starting point is 00:23:20 Well, yeah, self-awareness is implied. That's self-awareness. So dynamic, what I mean by that is, does it change the dynamic? So is it you and I going for brunch Laura and I go hey can I bring my boyfriend that changes the dynamic a lot because it's gone from it being you and I to being you me and my partner and it can change the type of conversation that you're going to have you know if you're planning an event with or you're just going to hang out with your three best girlfriends and you invite your boyfriend along the type of conversation is going to be very different amongst those friends right so does the dynamic change is my main question. The second question I think is important is logistics. So this can be space,
Starting point is 00:24:04 seating, or very importantly, does it cost the person you're asking money by inviting your partner? And that's where I think the weddings come into it. Because when you ask for a plus one, it's not just space and seating. It's also the fact that the couple are expected to pay for that person to attend. Very true. And I think the third thing to consider is reading the room. and this comes down to things like how long have you been with your partner how well do your friends know your partner is this the first time that you're wanting to introduce them and your friends going through a breakup not appropriate to bring the boyfriend along you mean what's going on in their lives at the time I also think though that is like a place of consideration isn't it
Starting point is 00:24:43 like where do you want to introduce if you've started dating someone because some people can get really caught up in the excitement of a new relationship and then their new partners become almost like a part of them. Like they go everywhere and they do everything together. And we spoke about this recently on the episode we did around how sometimes when people get into relationships, they become kind of crappy friends because they just morph into the relationship. It becomes their identity more than anything. But also I think it's a consideration as to where you want to introduce your new partner to your friends. Do you do it as a casual hangout at a pub? Do you do it over a formal dinner? Is it an event or is it something that you're like,
Starting point is 00:25:20 oh, like I'll just bring this person along too, which I guess like that is a place to kind of navigate depending on how close the group of friends is that you're introducing this new person to. I think if you follow the rules of dynamic logistics and reading the room, you can do no wrong. But I also think that, like you said, the last one of reading the room does require self-awareness. And I think when you're talking about people who become, you know, a bit too attached with their partner and they kind of expect that everything they go to their partner is going to come along I think inherently those people lack a little bit of self-awareness do you know this this reminds me though if you guys haven't listened to the episode we did on askers
Starting point is 00:26:01 and guesses have a like chuck that into the google search of podcasts wherever you're listening to this and and go and find it we'll link it in the show notes we did a really great episode had a really interesting chat around this philosophy of askers and guesses that there's two types of people in life. There's people who ask and maybe that asking, it seems outrageous. It seems as though like, cause you think about it, think about a time where someone has asked you to do something for them. They've asked something of you. They've asked if they could invite their partner to your wedding. And you thought, how dare they like the audacity for them to ask me that. And the thing that we got to on that conversation is, is this two types of people, people who see no harm in
Starting point is 00:26:42 asking because it's the opportunity for that person to say, Oh, actually, no, that doesn't suit me. But some people are so paralyzed by offending someone or by disappointing someone that we feel uncomfortable by being asked something. So we, we try and make something happen, even though it makes us feel awkward or yuck. So I guess in this instance, I love that you're saying we, because it's you and I, you already know, we're, we're guesses and Brittany's an asker. And so we're very different people. So when we had this conversation, it was really interesting because Britt's perspective on it was like, someone's asking a question. They're not telling you that you have to do something. Why don't you just say no? And then the end point
Starting point is 00:27:20 that we got to in that was like, actually, it's our issue. It's our inability to set good boundaries and say no to things that make us uncomfortable. So I think if you're in a situation where someone who's your friend has asked to bring their partner to something that makes you feel uncomfortable, where you think it's just not time appropriate or venue appropriate or cost appropriate, whatever that looks like. I think it's about self-awareness on the flip side and being able to exercise your boundaries and say, oh, do you know what? I'm really looking forward to meeting them or I'd love them to come, but unfortunately here's the reasons why they can't. But some of us really struggle with that. And so we would just sit through an awkward situation
Starting point is 00:27:54 because we don't want to offend the other person. I think it's because if you are a guesser, you make the assumption that if someone's asking you a question, they've already assumed that the answer is going to be yes. Because you wouldn't ask a question unless you thought the answer was going to be yes. Because we guess, we guess what people expect of us. I didn't know about that concept. And to me, it really actually made things a lot more clear and it made it easier for me to go, oh, they're not asking me that because they assume I'm going to say yes. They just go, what's the harm in asking? They think that if I don't want to do it or I'm unable to for any reason, I'll just say no. But like, I don't know if it's anxiety. That's not how I lived my life
Starting point is 00:28:34 up until that point. And I've learned a lot from it. And I realized that people, people who are askers don't, I guess they don't ask the question with the intention of putting the pressure on a guesser. But the problem is, is a lot of us, a lot of people are people pleasers. And a lot of us who have like some sort of codependency issues, like that puts that type of person or that type the personality trait in a real situation where they don't want to disappoint someone and so what you can often find is that you can end up doing things or saying yes to things that you really don't want to do and then you have this deep resentment that you're doing something that you never wanted to do that you had every opportunity to say no to but you said yes because you don't
Starting point is 00:29:14 like saying no to people so I guess when you unpack it in that way you're like well who's the real culprit here like who's done the wrong thing I don't think it's the person that asked I think it's the person who, who lacks poor boundary setting really. And for me, that conversation was such a good mental sort of checkpoint for me where I went, oh, I'm going to just get a little bit braver with saying no to stuff that makes me uncomfortable. I'm going to get a little bit better with my boundary setting. So I want to apply that to this situation. And let's say that someone's in a position where their friend comes to them and says, can my boyfriend come to dinner on Tuesday night I know that we're going out with three of the girls casual hang but intimate so
Starting point is 00:29:57 this is described as you are weird you're weird for asking that is a weird time to ask but how do you respond because send them this like in that scenario my natural reaction would be like no why the fuck are you asking because I'm a guesser you know like I would be like why are you even asking this but also how do I say no to this so that the sanctity of our intimate hangout is protected but also I'm not offending either them or their boyfriend I think you just have to say like I was really looking forward to hanging out with you one-on-one or I was really hoping that we could just spend some time together there's some things I wanted to whatever it is like also it doesn't just come down to that one person or that one situation you might be in a group of people
Starting point is 00:30:41 and and I know that this is a situation for me and for Matt we have a group of friends and I'm really close to some of their partners and I barely know some of the other ones right and so when we then have like group things at our house purely from a numbers perspective there's some people's partners who I want to invite because I'm like I know Matt will get along with them I know he'll then have a couple of guys he can bro down with we're all friends but then I have to like cherry pick the partners that I'm okay with inviting because there's a few other partners who I just don't know that well and that seems really unfair but also I'm like well otherwise then we've got to cater for everyone and then that's a really big group it's a battlefield everyone it's a
Starting point is 00:31:18 minefield I just feel like there's so much room for awkwardness in this situation which as a guesser makes me very uncomfortable I would love to know if you guys have been in a situation where someone has asked something completely outrageous like that they could bring their partner to whether it be a wedding maybe it was bar mitzvah christening I don't know but I would love to know what is the most outrageous thing that your friend has asked if they could bring their partner to because I think that there has to be a few doozies for this. All right, it's time for Accidentally Unfiltered. I was in the process of selling my car and was waiting for the potential buyer to come over and check it out. While I was waiting, I thought that I would watch some porn
Starting point is 00:31:53 and have some self-love time. Why would you do it when you're on such a time limit? When you know someone's coming, why would you say like, I'm just going to bat this one out? Maybe she doesn't need long she knows a body true but also like it's it's just a real bait and switch of moods okay anyway i got the message that the person wanting to see the car was outside so i stopped what i was doing and went out to say hello hope you washed your hands everything was going fine until they turned on my car the bluetooth in my car automatically connects to whatever i was listening to last what was she listening to everyone which was deep moaning and satisfaction so blasting through the speaker came the noises of the porno i had just been watching
Starting point is 00:32:42 needless to say they did not buy my car oh that's so uncomfortable i'm surprised i didn't ask for like disinfectant okay but also like you just shook hands with this person you're like oh really this has happened so often this idea of like watching a porno and getting picked up in bluetooth like come on guys we need to be better we need to be smarter if have we taught you nothing on this podcast I admire the agility you've got more agility than what I have to be able to switch gears that quickly like good for you oh I don't have the energy I don't do you think she should have financially compensated them for it and been like oh I'll knock two hundred dollars off because you had to experience you're like sorry it does that sometimes the car's got a bug every so often
Starting point is 00:33:24 the car moans if it's really happy to see someone what is the price oh we got another accidentally unfilled it sent through that i thought it was funny it says the other day i was driving listening to life uncut thank you represent appreciate that the episode was labeled blow job etiquette i know this one it was an ask uncut i didn't realize but i was speeding and i got pulled over by the cops i paused my podcast but didn't even think about the name of the podcast being front and center on my screen. As the cop was talking to me, he looked into my car and said, interesting podcast, and then gave me a caution. You're welcome. I didn't know what to say back. And I just smiled and said, yeah, really awkwardly. I felt so awkward and I couldn't stop laughing.
Starting point is 00:34:11 That's so good. Okay. If it makes you feel any better. So you guys know that we've just started doing all of our episodes up on YouTube, right? Which my dad, so my dad, he can't listen to podcasts. He doesn't understand what a podcast is, right? He's got no clue. He always calls it a pod book, which he might be doing that just to insult me. I don't know. But anyway, we did that Diana Nyad podcast last week and the interview, it was amazing. And I knew it would be an interview that my dad would actually enjoy. And because we've got it now on YouTube, I was like, oh my God, I'm just going to send my dad the YouTube link. He's going to be so proud. So I sent him the youtube thing without i didn't think it through i didn't think it through i didn't send
Starting point is 00:34:51 it to him and said don't scroll dad i just sent it to him and now he's going through and he's watching all of the videos so my dad my father terry burn is now watching blowjob etiquette from his daughter who for five and a half years i have managed to do this podcast without any of my parents ever paying any attention to the shit i talk about ever and now i've just put myself under a microscope i also uncomfortable for you we need to we need to think about how we name the episodes in premiere movie daddy vibes was one the other week as well daddy vibes haters anyway guys look that is it from us we're not gonna do a suck and sweet today i think it is very evident what everybody's suck is across australia so we didn't think that it was appropriate or timely to do that
Starting point is 00:35:37 and to have that reflection this week but we will be back to our normal programming next week and also we have an amazing interview for you guys tomorrow and Ask Uncut's all coming so we really appreciate you guys I mean if you've made it this far in the episode giving us the grace and the space to be able to talk about what we did at the beginning of the ep to talk about the attacks in Bondi but also to be able to then bring you an episode that had some levity to it in some ways as well and you guys if you haven't yet it is potentially Brit's last week in the African jungle so if you've been watching now one person will be going home every night so it's going to be a very very quick it's going to be a very quick turnaround now and i'm pretty sure the
Starting point is 00:36:16 last episode is either this sunday or or very early next week so please get your votes in 10 play 10 votes a day for our girl brit and that will hopefully see her through to the final trials yeah which will have a hundred thousand dollars going to a very worthy charity and we're really hoping that not only is Brit crowned the queen of the jungle, but that $100,000 could go to Rise Up, which is a domestic violence charity. It essentially mostly helps women and children who are escaping domestic violence situations and puts them into homes that are lovely and safe. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:49 Yeah. And guys, that's it for us. You know the drill. Tell your mum, tell your dad, tell your dog, tell your friends and share the love. Because we love love. We'll be right back.

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