Life Uncut - BUTT GRABS AND PAY GAPS - Uncut with Jessica Mauboy

Episode Date: May 16, 2022

Hi Lifers!Today we got to hang out with the uber cool, vocally gifted delight that is Jessica Mauboy!Jess has grown up in the public space and somehow never stepped a foot out of line! Her 'good girl' image has been upheld, likely because she is genuinely a wonderful human and this chat will likely make you feel the same!We spoke about her growing up in the NT, and what life was like for her family. We spoke about her rise to fame as a teenager and how that impacted the trajectory of her life.We chatted about love, her 14 year long relationship with her fiance Themali, and how they navigated 7 years of long distance.We touched on her music career and the current debate over pay inequality between the coaches on the voice.We bloody loved her!If you liked the ep, please share it with your mum, your dad, your dog or your friend and if you'd have a spare sec to leave us a review on apple podcasts, we'd be ever so grateful!We love love!xxSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

A Life Uncut podcast acknowledges the traditional custodians of country throughout Australia and their connections to land, sea and community. We pay our respect to their elders, past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples today. This episode is recorded on Gadigal land of the Aurora Nation. Hi guys, and welcome back to another episode of Life Uncut. I'm Laura. And I'm Brittany.

And can I just say, Laura, you look particularly good today. I mean, you always look good, but something about you today looks extra good. I think I'm just wearing a shirt that you haven't seen before. I think I've seen you before. We do have, Laura and I have a really bad habit of wearing the same thing every single day. but you look really your hair's looking great your outfit looks great stop it yeah i just wanted to prop you out there i mean i'm gonna take that and i'm gonna run with it because i've actually been feeling very self-conscious this weekend because i have a fierce case of perioral dermatitis

that's come back up on my face oh well if it makes you feel better you can't notice it on your face just so you know it's because i'm wearing makeup and everybody who gets perioral dermatitis i can't even say the word everyone who i say it 10 times far if you get pd i know that you're gonna get into my dms and say you shouldn't wear makeup when you've got payday but the thing is is that if you've got it then you have to wear makeup because you don't want to leave the house without it but anyway that's on my face right now yay let's tell you what today's episode is so today's episode we are interviewing jessica mowboy she is the fucking dream i cannot i can't even tell you how absolutely divine this woman is she also sang through the entire episode and it really made me

happy but we're talking to jess not only about her music career but also because we love love here at Life Uncut about how she managed to do long distance with her partner who she's been with for 15 years. And I had a real moment Laura in that interview and I think I might have been not cool enough and I told Jess this. I had a real moment where I thought oh my god I am living my dream. I am getting to speak to these people that I grew up admiring and I grew up listening to and watching and now I'm sitting in a room talking to them because it's pretty easy to forget that sometimes but I had this real reality check where I was like I'm fangirling hard. And realizing that We're nowhere near as cool as her.

She's so cool. I said to her, I was like, I had to interrupt her in a sentence. I was like, I just need to be as cool as you. How do I be as cool as you? She's like, it'll never happen, Brittany. Anyone who asks, anyone asks how to be cooler will never be fucking cool. Jess is an absolute dreamboat. She's, she's so interesting.

She has such an interesting life. She became famous very, very young. She came into the spotlight in 2006 on Idol, Australian Idol. and I think the incredible thing about this story is that Jess didn't even win Australian Idol but she has definitely gone on to become the most famous from that season if not well I mean I shouldn't say from the entire thing I know Guy was from there as well but she's one of the most famous people that have come out of music related reality TV in Australia. Speaking of Guy coming full circle they both now I want to say hosting but they're not they're coaches on The Voice so

they've come from being contestants to winning slash almost winning to now being on the other side and there has been some stuff going around in the news i don't know if anyone's seen about the pay discrepancy for the coaches on the voice yeah so basically they've got rita aura they've got keith urban they've got guy sebastian and then also jessica malboy and it's been reported pretty widely in the news recently that jessica is being paid the least out of all of the stars and being paid the least by far so we actually get into that in the conversation as well we ask her how she feels about it and what has been the outcome of it. And yeah, that is all coming up on today's episode. But before we get into that, there is something that has happened very recently

in the news that I wanted to bring up and have a chat about. And we do have Brittany Hockley's beautiful sister, Sherry, here with us today to discuss this. Now, Barbie, which is Mattel, has just released a Barbie that is wearing hearing aids. So inclusivity around hearing loss and around deafness. This is part of the inclusivity range that they have been working on. They first released the range in 2009 but steadily have been adding more dolls to that collection. So Sherry welcome to Life Uncut. Thanks for jumping in the studio today. Also I say jumping in studio. You were literally sleeping in this room. We just had to fold the mattress up in the room so you could record this. Welcome. Thank you. This is not your first appearance actually. You have done an episode

before, but it's been a little while. And we did when you were on our show last. I mean, we talked about nutrition, but you also spoke about what your experience was like and how it has been wearing hearing aids, going through the process of knowing that you needed to wear hearing aids, but then finally accepting and actually wearing them. And a part of it was because you talked about the judgment that you felt at the time. Yeah, I did. There is still such a stigma on hearing aids. I think we think it is an old person's thing. And then I guess when I got told that I was hard of hearing and needed hearing aids even as a young adult I thought oh my god everyone's going to be able to see them this is such an old person's thing and it was

yeah it was it was hard to accept that I was going to have to wear hearing aids forever and just to get some people up to speed that haven't maybe listened to the episode that you were on just tell everyone quickly when you were diagnosed and how you were diagnosed with your loss of hearing so I think you helped diagnose me Brittany because you told me that I couldn't hear anything that you were saying yeah probably didn't say it that nicely I was like why aren't you listening to me so my hearing loss is genetic so it comes from as you know our mother our brother also has hearing loss and it is something that has just happened gradually and I suppose in my late teens early 20s is when people around me started noticing that I was not picking up on things I wasn't

getting jokes lol I was like why that was really funny why aren't you laughing I wasn't getting jokes. I was missing ends of conversations. I was missing words. So I got my hearing checked and I am at about a 40% loss. So I am somebody who thankfully can get through life and work and the day, but I do, yeah, I do get a lot of benefit from my hearing aids. And with something like this, like in specifically talking about Mattel and Barbie bringing out a doll that's wearing hearing aids, what impact do you think this has in terms of inclusivity? I think it is going to be huge. So when we grew up, Barbies were, you know, skinny and blonde and hot. With big boobs and little waist and blonde hair. Completely unrealistic. If you actually took her measurement, she would

fall over. She would not be able to stand up. I don't think her stomach realistically could have actually housed her organs. I think it's going to be so important, not just for children growing up that are hard of hearing or deaf and wear hearing devices to see and play a doll that looks like them, but also for children who don't wear hearing devices to play with a doll that doesn't look like them. And that's really going to encourage and celebrate that children are different and that it's not weird. You know, when we were little and you see a kid with hearing aids, do kids think that person's stupid or that person can't speak? So I think it's going to encourage, yeah, people just to be more accepting. And I think it's going to be really important for kids to see themselves

represented. Well, I think this is one of the big things that we spoke about before we jumped on here is this idea that hearing loss, that there is some sort of synergy between being not intelligent. and that's the thing that people draw. The bullying that goes on in schools is that some kids think well because this person can't hear properly that therefore they don't understand or they aren't as intelligent which obviously is completely untrue but being able to have this thing that represents something that maybe not all children are exposed to it breaks down the bias and it stops kids from being like that's the unknown and puts it into their own bedrooms it puts it into their own playgrounds and it makes it something that's very very accessible. Well

Barbie has released this deaf Barbie so she actually has you guys can google it but she's really really cute she's got these little pink hearing aids and they match her lipstick she's got pink lipstick on but they have a whole range of other Barbies they've had 35 plus skin tones in their range now 94 plus hairstyles and nine different body types they also have a Barbie in a wheelchair they have Barbies with prosthetics and they have this one I think is really really cool and should have been done a very long time ago but they have a Barbie that suffers from the skin condition vitiligo now you guys might know the very very famous model beautiful model Winnie Harlow who famously has vitiligo and she's completely owned that they've now got a Kendall

so a male version that has the same disease and I just can't imagine what this is going to do for little children to realize and see this growing up that this is in fact normal and they don't have to do a double take when they see somebody that has this condition because it's been put into their life from a really young age well I think the interesting part about this whole conversation and I know that like we can celebrate the inclusivity of where Barbie is headed and that there it's amazing that as a company Mattel has evolved with the times and that there has been an evolution of the doll but I don't think that we can have this conversation without acknowledging the fact that the original Barbie has contributed over the years so much to the social stereotypes

of how a woman should look and I know that like we all grew up with exactly like you said Sherry the original Barbie which was blonde hair tiny waist big boobs skinny legs high heels and that was the norm for so long and I think that it did so much damage in our perception around what women should look like or what is beauty not just women but like what is our beauty standards and so it's so amazing to see that that has shifted with the times does it go far enough to undo the damage that was done over the past 60 years I mean I don't know as a small child when we are so susceptible to other people's opinions of us massively like I have learned to not really care what people think of me now but that's because I'm I'm 32 years old but even at like you said I was early to mid-20s

when I found out I needed hearing aids and it was hard then I can only imagine how hard it would be as a small child not only not seeing myself represented but having other kids you know gawk at me at school and bullying and all of that sort of things it would have been so much harder so I am very very excited to see that it's becoming so much more normalized because so many young Aussies are hard of hearing and use hearing devices was there a time where you were like adverse to using them like were you told that you needed to use hearing aids and then you were like fuck that I'm gonna continue back I said yeah I did so I got my first set in my mid-20s and I trialed them and I hated them I hated how they looked I hated how they felt I felt like I

couldn't adjust to them so anyone out there who is hard of hearing would know that you never truly get 100% used to them I like that's why I'm not wearing them right now because the feedback of both of you laughing would be too much and overwhelming for me so I do take them out so it's really hard to get used to I sent them back I think I also wasn't quite ready to accept that I needed hearing aids so I thought oh no I can still manage you know I can still work and and it's not that hard. And I'll just play the, you know, oh, haha, I can't hear you. Don't worry about me kind of thing. Also thinking like this is a piece of technology or a device that I'm now going to have to use every day. Like from one step, you're like, this is my life. And then

you're like, cool. Now this is a core part of my life. And it feels probably like it's a much bigger deal than it actually has to be. Yeah. It's really not a big deal, but we, I think we make it a much bigger deal than it needs to be. And like I said, I sent my first set back because I really wasn't ready. And I thought I'm just going to wait until it gets worse, which is so stupid because I would have really benefited from them in those years that I just put up with it and, you know, prelude conversations with, if I ignore you, I'm not being rude, ha ha ha, I'm just deaf. Don't do that, people. If you are hard of hearing, please reach out for help because we know that people that don't reach out for help are more susceptible to depression and things like that.

They're more susceptible to not being employed or if they are employed, they are less productive at work. So there is absolutely no shame in if you think you may need hearing aids or you may have some sort of hearing loss go get a free test it is free in all the hearing testings around Australia and then you can get a good idea and Brittany that's you you're next well yes I imagine I'll need hearing aids in the next 10 years if the family history is correct good on Mattel for finally jumping on board and really pushing this in the right direction and Sherry thank you for jumping on today and sharing your little journey and how it's affected you and I think again if anyone hasn't listened to Sherry's podcast give it a google she talks about it a lot there give it a

Google you know what I mean search it in a podcast app search it on the interwebs no but have a have a listen and I'm sure we've got a bunch of new listeners Sherry that you have just helped by sharing your journey again so thank you and I'm taking offense that you took your hearing aids out because you said off record that my laugh wouldn't go down well in your hearing aids I said your cackle would not translate through my hearing aids very well anyway love that for me all right let's get into accidentally unfiltered slash confessional I know I was gonna say I'm pretty you sure actually some of you guys might not know this but we accidentally unfiltered has kind of evolved over time sometimes we do accidentally unfiltered sometimes we do confessionals and

britney has a confessional for us today i've got a confessional that i just thought was really funny i want to know if you would do this i became pretty okay friends with my flatmate we're around the same age and had lived together for a few months she started seeing this guy that i had a big crush on. It was Valentine's Day and there was a knock on the door. I answered it to the biggest bunch of flowers and a card from this guy addressed to my flatmate. It was honestly the most romantic thing I had seen. I hate to admit this but I was so jealous that I threw the card out and pretended that the flower was for me. She was so upset that he didn't get her anything and she didn't believe him when he said I promise I sent you flowers. To make it worse when she complained

to me about him i really doubled down on how shitty it was and she deserved better i felt so bad ever since and i've been single a long time i think it's karma what the fuck i'm laughing out of disbelief that somebody would do this what okay i can't absolve that it's so me i think it is so funny and funny funny and like it's mean like they could have got who knows they could have gone and got married you could have stopped something in its tracks but imagine being that jealous look I take it back you've obviously you're obviously going through a hard time you've had some time to reflect and no you don't write in here for judgment I just think surely surely doesn't he come over like wouldn't he have seen the flowers like were they doing long

distance or something like why didn't he see that there was a present that had been sent and then was like hey I'm pretty sure they're the flowers I bought since they're I don't know identical to the photo online i just reckon there's been a big blow up i reckon she's just gone to him obviously there's some sort of discussion about like you better get me something for valentine's day to the point that he's like i promise you i did and she's like well you fucking didn't this is why you have to lower your expectations i don't expect anything for valentine's day or mother's day or anything honestly i this year was convinced that matt was gonna forget mother's day and so i did a whole i did a whole lot of stories about shitty mother's day goose just to try and like really

drive it home and i woke up in the morning and there was a bunch of flowers my new they were dried flowers and i hate dried flowers but it was probably stolen from the neighbor no do you know what this isn't about me but this year he wrote me the best mother's day card it made me so happy must be nice okay let's read yours coming back to this confessional for one second um i think that it's a bit mean to try and sabotage your friend's relationship i don't think we can absolve this one. No, look, say a few Hail Marys and you're absolved. All right. Okay. This is my accidentally unfiltered. That's not mine. That's come in. This is, I read this one out to Matt and he had a good chuckle. So hopefully you guys do too. Okay. So I stayed at my boyfriend's house last night and I

have my period. So of course I wore my favorite period undies. I then woke up and I went to rinse them out. It was pretty early in the morning and my boyfriend was still in bed. So I rinsed them out in his sink. And then I thought, well, I might as well wash them a little bit with the hand soap because I had to put them in a plastic bag and put them in my handbag for the day because I was going to work. So I didn't want them to smell or get all weird, so I just decided I'd wash them in the sink with some hand soap. Anyways, the sink then gets clogged or it's stuck or something has happened,

but the bloody water, the bloody soapy water that is full to the brim is not going down. So, of course, I fucking panic. Mind you, the sink is crimson red. then i realized i have to get the water out of the sink it's the only way to solve the problem so there i am standing no pants on taking the water out of the sink when my boyfriend flings the door open and i am mid ferrying the water from the sink into the toilet using his toothbrush cup i was just about to say what is she using using his empty toothbrush cup

full of bloody red water and he obviously was like what the fuck are you doing and then she wrote fuck my life can i just give you one piece of advice this is why you use a moon cup ladies and gentlemen i don't mind period undies i wear period undies well i'm sure this girl minds that she wore period undies on this particular day this is a prime example of when you should use the moon pretty we've had period undies sponsor the podcast yeah sure where i wear them i wear them to bed at my own home but i'm not going to go to someone else's home when i know i have to rinse them out and put them in a plastic bag and then put them in my handbag to sit in my handbag for a whole day at work when I could just put a moon cup in true this is like pick your time

yeah don't play the away game with your period undies don't play the away game it's just not worth the risk okay off the back of that I think there's no better time to get into the chat with Jess and can I just say do you ever think that our guests hear the shit we talk about before we introduce them and are just like why the fuck am I following that yes yes I literally think that every single episode anyway let's get into the chat with Jess Jess Malboy is one of Australia's most successful female artists she has achieved six top 10 albums and 16 top 20 singles because the albums wasn't enough she has won two aria music awards and was ranked 16th on the herald sun's list of 100 greatest Australian singers

of all time she looks shocked as I'm saying this like she doesn't know Jess has collaborated with several international artists such as Flo Rida Snoop Dogg Ludacris Jay Sean and Pitbull Laura didn't know who Pitbull was but we'll leave that for another day that's embarrassing for me she is to it with beyond saying she's also an amazing actress and known just as an all-round nice girl what an intro Jess Mowboy is there anything you can't do oh um tap dance can you tap dance I can't do a backflip there's time we can work on that no jess welcome to life on kayak thank you for finding the time today thank you lost women here thank you so very much for having me i like that when you sat down i was trying to explain to you how the microphones work and then i was like

laura this is definitely not the first time you sat in front of a microphone it's not jess's first no trust me like when i'm in a studio and i'm you know working on some new stuff or writing new material music i you know i have a lot of producers that you know do the same because i'm I often kind of go off mic and I do a thing where I'm just doing my uncut version of how I'm singing physically because, you know, when I am in a studio, I sing physically different so I've got to project a lot more when you don't have an audience. Because, you know, you're in a box and so you have to really tell your story

so you have to be completely naked and tell the story and be your most vulnerable. I normally do that really well when I'm in front of people, you know. I was about to say, is that really hard when you're in this little box? You're on your own and you just know there's like 10 people looking at you like you're a zoo animal through the glass it's hard to get really emotional and well I like to work with only two producers well a producer and a songwriter so there's literally just three of us normally in a studio space but yeah when there is a lot of people that can be

scary but I think the less people can be the most naked because you're literally just filtering and you don't have any reaction when you're saying that you're there and you're like expressing yourself I mean firstly before we get more into how you write your songs and how you've gotten into music we do do this thing called accidentally unfiltered where you tell your embarrassing story yes don't think you get the very the very first time when you just said and then I'm standing in this box naked I was like fuck that's gonna be a great story but you meant vulnerable I get it now yeah yeah totally imagine wow I was like oh we got there we got there quickly is Jess what is your accidentally unfiltered story I think it takes me back to when I was about 11 years old

I have three older three older sisters and one younger sister so yeah I'm pretty much in the middle and I thinking of beauty taking it back to kind of beauty and discovering myself and what as you do when you're that age and when you have older sisters you kind of pick up on things that they do and I remember one morning you know my sister used to you know shape her eyebrows and I don't know in my mind I thought this tool which I obviously discovered that it was called a shaver thought that's what made the shape of the eyebrows and so I went into the bathroom and it was it was school morning and literally got the shaver out and put it towards you know my eyebrow lent it on there and then just went across you know did the across thing

and took my whole eyebrow off and you and I just thought hang on what is going on like hang on I just bawled my I screamed and I bawled my eyes out and I was so embarrassed because I knew you know my parents were very much like you know you don't need makeup you don't need any of these beauty things but you do need eyebrows yeah I just remember like you know being in front of my dad's face and he's like you're a little silly girl he told me I remember that and and I just I was like I can't go to school and he made me go to school and I remember like just like sweeping my my my bangs at the time over one eyebrow yeah it was pretty embarrassing I had no idea I feel like this is something that we can all relate to as teenagers we all over plucked to the point of

Like it was a small little tail at the end, but you just took it one extra step. I did the whole thing. You went the whole kit and caboodle. I mean, I grew up during the 90s though. So like having no eyebrows is kind of in fashion. Yeah, well she went above and beyond. Mine are still recovering to this day. Took it to another level.

Jess, talking about your childhood, you grew up in the Northern Territory. What were the early years like? Like what was Jess like when she was a little girl before she became the super mega star that you are today? It was pretty, it was kind of a bit of a breeze and we had to use our imagination. and it was always kind of going to water holes and, you know, we'd kind of check if there was any crocs in there before we'd put our bodies in there.

And we, like, it was quite wild and free, you know, bush bashing and Dad's ute in the back of the ute trying to hold on and going through, you know, potholes and trying not to get thrown off the back of the ute. You're like, what can I can't say here that'll get Dan in trouble? I mean, no, yeah, yeah, you know, like climbing mango trees, that was pretty much, you know, being out in community, on country. Growing up on Larrakia country was very much a cultural thing, learning language and just

being with family. That was pretty much the routine. And were you always a super overachiever and really musical? And is it something that you knew you wanted to do? You know how we see like the Taylor Swift child prodigy that's like recording hit albums when she's two years old. Were you like that kind of a child or did you grow into it a little bit? Yeah, I grew into it.

My grandfather, I grew up singing in a church, so sang a lot of hymns at first. and then, you know, mum's and dad's music kind of came into play. A lot of 70s, a lot of kind of rock, so Cold Chisel, Abba. And then, yeah, my grandparents used to look after a church, so they were basically caretakers of a church, but also did a lot of the sermons, did a lot of the Sunday school choir singing. And so, yeah, just kind of I grew into it. I wasn't taught it.

It was purely something that I just picked up along the way. But my second oldest sister, we thought she was going to be the singer of the family because she was totally into Whitney, into Mariah, like a massive fan of Mariah Carey, had the whole poster thing. You never saw the White Walls. It was just filled with posters. And I think that's kind of where I started to pick up, you know, what music did, the different styles of it. I mean, I went through a phase of not only Whitney, Michael Jackson, Mariah, but Hanson's, Bewitched. I was just about to say, who was your inspo? Because Laura had some posters she used to make out with of Hanson.

I still think about the days when I thought I was going to marry Taylor Hanson. I was convinced. You used to make out with your posters? I was like, no. It's fun when you talk about that stuff. I think at one point I did total love eye contact with Hanson's poster and Taylor. And I would literally talk to if he was there. Of course.

I like had a whole folder, I had a whole folder of their pictures. Whole folder, my blue folder. It was actually my choir, my choir like had all my sheets of like choir music and I turned it into, yeah, a poster folder. Okay, but this is different for me in that there was never a chance that I was ever going to meet these people. Whereas for you, like you have like moved into a world. Yeah, where like these people that you idolised as a child,

you've had the opportunity to meet some of them. Yes, yes. What's that experience like? Yeah. Well, I mean, even like Snoop Dogg was a huge one for me. My eldest sister was like a Wu Tang, you know, Warren G fan, Biggie Smalls. And so I was introduced to Snoop Dogg through my eldest sister. And when I wrote Get Em Girls, when I was in Atlanta recording my second record, I was working with Bangladesh, who happened to be producing a lot of stuff for Little Wayne at the time and actually little Wayne was just coming up in the world and they were all kind of working in

the same studio and I wrote this on get them girls about all these different styles of shoes I got on my get them girls I got on my get them girls I can catwalk my way to the front page I got on my get them girls put your get them girls on a swing of hips this way I remember writing this song with Bangladesh and he had this thought of hey I'm you know I'm working with Snoop Dogg you know well he didn't say that at first but he was like you know I could hear a rap on this you know do you have anybody in mind and I thought well I don't know there's a few people that come to mind but you know what are your thoughts and he you know he dropped Snoop's name Snoop Dogg just let me check my diary yeah I am free for Snoop Dogg yes forever and literally

the next day that I I rocked up to the second day of studio he said I've got someone special coming in and a few hours you know a few hours later snoop comes through the door and i'm literally fangirling like i'm like yo my eldest sister is such a huge fan but because of you i was able to be introduced to your music and understand you know the words that you spit and it was crazy because he was like i the first thing he said was well i love australia he was like i love australia you know I can't I can't enter into Australia but yeah it was really cool because he legit had a one take of doing the rap on the song and we spent a few days and we ended up doing the video clip and got to meet his family and he brought his family along his children and

he became like an uncle like an uncle snoop you know and obviously the age gap I just felt like he was a big brother and and almost like an uncle but it was one of the wildest moments of my life And I just thought, thanks to my sister, I actually, you know, I became a huge fan. Well, I am fangirling that you fangirled Snoop. What's he like? Like is he as cool in real life? Super, super cool, super chilled.

He's totally about in the moment. So when he's in the moment, he just speaks of the moment. But he's also quick to change his mind too. So like if, you know, he'll like something in that one second and then he'd like, yeah, he's very quick. Like he's just obviously he's a busy, busy man, you can imagine, but a very family orientated I felt like when I first met him and when he introduced me to his family that came along

to the music video, like I felt like I'd known him forever. Does it still feel surreal to you when you are in these situations and you're working alongside other huge stars or is it kind of like, oh, no, this is my space now, like I'm comfortable with this? Yeah, no, I still get anxious. I still get like how does that affect them, you know, when they're meeting new people so I tend to think of that first and then I think yo I'm actually in front of this person that I've listened to you know I've followed their story and then I actually

get to collaborate with them so yeah it becomes like wow this feels normal and yes I respect that there's like this human connection happening and playing out right now but yeah I'm still kind of screaming on the inside there's still a scream on the inside. Circling back on your story on how you got into music and you as a little kid I think so many people who remember would know you from your stint in reality tv at the very start like that is kind of how you broke into the music industry can you talk about that period and what that was like and how that was the springboard of what put you into the sort of forefront of media yeah I have to say it was the most beautiful time too because I just turned 16 you know I was at the end of finishing school and kind of not

having a plan for school for studies particularly and I knew that music dominated everything at that point and at that age I had an intuition my intuition was I'm going to do music for a long time I just need to get on board with it I actually need to be not half-hearted I need to be fully in And I knew that I was going to be spending more time outside of my community, away from family. I just kind of prepared myself. And I think that preparation of doing a lot of busking, going out and doing, you know, school of steadfirs created armour so that I was able to go out and be involved in the

rest of the world or the industry itself, and particularly in Australia. Like, I didn't know anything about it. I just knew that I had to be prepared mentally and physically, whatever was going to be thrown at me. And Idol was that, Idol doing that show was that eye-opener of like, yo, it's bigger than me. And I think for anyone who doesn't remember this, like Jess was on 2006, I think season four of Australian Idol.

And this is also like at the time where like Australian Idol was the biggest reality TV show in Australia. It was such a fucking behemoth of a show. Yeah. But in your experience, like you as a person, I guess like at that time in Australia in 2006, there was such a huge under-representation of Indigenous women having these successful music careers. Or anywhere for that matter.

Yeah, absolutely. And being this like little kid from the bush, how did that experience shape for you? Not seeing that there was somebody else who's kind of paved the way or had that success. Was there not a moment where you were like, where do I fit in this world? Yeah, well, I was lucky enough to have a few role models and I think Shelley Morris plays a huge part

in the Northern Territory community. She's that kind of alternative folky but soul. She's got like a lot of jazz in her voice and she was someone that I guess paved a pathway for me. Another is Christina Anu. I mean, when she came out with Why don't you come join my party? Let's move it to the break of dawn

Gotta hear that music ringin', bring it on She blew my mind. As a Torres Strait woman, it very much stands for her culture and where she comes from. That played a huge role in terms of me growing up on Larrakia Nation and being a proud Kukunyalangian Waka Man woman, but also I identified in a way where she's someone who's of colour and a woman and is really kind of dominating her spirit

in this music space and I thought that's what I want to do you know I saw you know that Kathy Freeman, Deborah Malman in their industry and for me Shelly, Aunty Ruby as well as Christine Anu were women who I knew that guided me and helped me and reinforced me that yo I'm going to do this and regardless of culture I'm actually going to work I want to work and understand how music is with me and and how it fits with me and I'm gonna try this I'm gonna do it yeah and Christina knew god she had some bangers like I remember that it sounds different when I sing it trust me but she was she was just we won't butcher it for you I won't make you suffer that your ears will bleed I'm tone deaf but she was so incredible but I think around that time we have to remember that

because I think we're about the same age yes 32 34 56 7 whatever who's counting but i think people you were so young right you were 14 15 16 we didn't even really like this is when the internet came in so it's not like we just had this excessive access to google people and to search people and for i think when you actually put yourself back then in a position of you as a 15 year old yeah being thrust into the limelight on and for you to say i'm just going to commit to this I'm going to give it everything that is just so you know very very rare for a teenager to say I need to go all in and dedicate my entire life to this that's not something we come across often no not no and yeah I guess when you put it that way I was determined and I think

because of you know my parents them seeing the potential them seeing the ability that I couldn't quite understand and I think we do come of a generation that we just had to because we didn't have the tools and they weren't kind of that way that they are now I mean they're crazy the access is intense and is insane but we didn't have that particular access yeah we couldn't just look people up and even the way that we went to gigs or we bought music was completely different well you physically bought a ticket and then you had to make sure you turned up wait yeah wait or we would wait for the tickets to go on sale and we didn't know whether you know and we had to go to the cd store to see them on sale you know it's very very different now but I think when I look

back it I was very encouraged and supportive like I had a very supportive family that could see something that I didn't quite understand then but and I think having not understood it made it a lot more impactful because I just I was intrigued I wanted to know I wanted to do the work I mean I've heard you speak before about growing up in your words poor quite poor and what was that like for you do you recognize now that there were sacrifices made or that your family might have had to have worked a little bit harder to encourage you to get to where you are what was that like yeah I guess being one of five I think there were a lot of things you know particularly how we even ate how we even ate together at the table taught us a lot and I guess in portion too just I think

the way that both of my parents grew up particularly with my dad growing up in a village in Indonesia with no hot running water it was always kind of going to 100k's down the road with your bucket to go get the water out of the well so I think the way and the lifestyle of living kind of taught us siblings development of actually working hard so physically working and what my parents didn't have and who they didn't have you know not having their parents to kind of guide them so really that plays a huge role in the way that I do my work the way I see my work and be humbled by it and to love it as much as I can and hold on to it. How do you go through the process of how you actually write a song or your inspiration for writing a song what is your process for this

generally my process is I love to start off with like humming a melody like and that's you know that could be from the sound of the atmospher that's playing out outside on the streets or where I'm sitting at the time whether it's a cafe or you know sitting at a train station or there's so many sounds that things are making that are creating melody the hum of the air condition I just actually think I heard you humming when I was in the bathroom were you getting inspired by me doing a wave that makes sense now because someone was humming it was you yeah and I don't think it was you urinating that inspires her that's what you're getting at but it's it's it's always it's um I think it's just a habit thing that I do as well that I

naturally hum and sometimes I don't even know that I'm doing it and I did that a lot in school and I would get in loads of trouble for disrupting the class for humming and not knowing that I would be humming and you know the teacher would get up and she'd be like you know what you're doing and I'm like no she's like you're humming and it's really loud and you're disrupting the classroom so she would sometimes to you know to obviously the punishment was to for me to go and sit with my face near the wall of the of the concrete wall and think about can you imagine that though because as a teacher you would think this habit that you have is in no way going to benefit your future right and looking back you're like this is what made me who I am I've thought about that you know

quite often and and and kind of giggle to myself and you know wonder about that teacher and where she is and you know thanking her for you know allowing me to reflect on what I'd just done you know you made me thank you mrs burke when you write to say when you do write a song or you collaborate with someone how does it work so just say like ludicrous or snoop right they want to do a song with you does someone just slide into your dm and be like yo like let's hit this i don't know if they speak sometimes producers yeah producers will kind of and because of the way of connecting with everyone now with you know the certain accounts that we have and platforms it's as easy He is sending a message, people DMing and going, you know, like,

hey, you know, I've just finished writing this song, you know, do you want to hop on it? Or Apple Juice Kid, who's an incredible, he's going to die, but he actually did a remix of my song Butterfly. Butterfly is going to keep on flying. And it was mad because he created this whole new production and actually did almost like a bass drop and a weight line, so it's like a boom, and it's like vibe.

it's like a vibration drum and I remember losing my shit because it was just it was just something that moved me and you know you know you've got your favorite songs that move you whether it's the melody or whether it's the the beat the tempo or it might be just a lick in the song that someone's singing and he's like someone who's just reached out reached out recently and I've just adored the way he his process is and how he produces and so hopefully you know this kind of gets us going and you know creating the juices flowing just reminded me that he had dm'd me and said hey like come on now like we've you know we've come on now we've been saying this for quite some time but let's get our team together and do our thing it's crazy you cannot we live

in that world now i mean like we get a lot of guests on like that we just slide into a dm and we're like hey if you want to come on the podcast but it's pretty cool the opportunities that can arise from it now are incredible well i think it also shows the accessibility whereas like before when you would have someone who is a superstar whether it be an actor a singer they seem so far away from you that was so unattainable whereas now we have this like incredible almost voyeurism into people's lives like you know I can jump on your Instagram and I feel like I have this higher level of connection or I understand like your day-to-day and I think that's the most important I feel like I had come on the scene well whilst that was still happening so you know

it was like let's not do none of those levels of of things and let's just kind of separate like I feel like there was definitely a separation of of that time when I was coming into the music scene because that was the thought of creating what's that word when it's like yeah just unreachable we're all very much doing our thing you know we're all very equal and I always often wondered that but now that everything is so kind of open and you do have that access I think has created a level of everyone's important everyone's on a level of like just doing and creating and that's a good thing I think that's good now this might be a bit of an odd question but it was something I read recently and it was actually something that Taylor Swift had said in terms of women in

the music industry and she said that like as a female in the music industry there is this pressure to constantly recreate stay relevant almost like re-image yourself yeah have you felt that you've had these different almost like recreations of your image of yourself as an artist or do you feel it's been a very like whether it's been a conscious decision or just a natural progression throughout your career I feel like there has been both like a conscious but also there has been pressure as well you know and I think when you work with all kinds of you know you have so many different relationships whether it's the label management digital creative team like there's like all these things people are channeling through and so for me I think it took me time

to find the right people to then deliver you know the right thing and that always takes time again that takes patience that takes kind of bravery to allow your creative to fall into that person's hand for and you know it's either they understand it or they don't and you move on so I think for me it's just being able to I guess meet the right people along the way and if it feels right and they're on board with you or they are like-minded then you continue and you that brings more freedom for me and a more conscious thinking of like how I see myself and the way that I walk the way that I talk and that has to be infused in everything well it's like a package right because I think we can focus so much on just the music which is obviously like the most important terms of

creative outlet right but then there's also Jessica Malboy who is a like you are your product as well It's so crazy. It's so crazy to even think of it like that because I was having a big conversation with my sisters because half of the time, like, we'll go out and, you know, we'll be halfway eating through and someone comes through and is like, are you Jessica Malboy? Like, are you Jessica Malboy? I'm like, my sister's like, here we go.

Have a photo and fuck off. We're, like, literally halfway with, like, spaghetti and mouth. But sometimes, like, I totally forget and using my real born, the name that I was born with, you know, because most people go out with their alter ego name or you know it's um it's a it's a made-up name it's because of a story like this is my proper my on my birth certificate it's my on my passport it's on my driver's license but what you're saying is true and I think we and Laura and I were talking about this the other day in regards to the conversation we're having was around Justin Bieber and I think

it's the same with you when somebody is in the public eye from such a young age yeah there is just a natural evolution of you and your brand and finding who you are and I don't think a lot the time it's people saying oh like justin bieber i'm gonna be a bad boy now like i'm gonna be cool no no no i think of course there's conscious decisions as well but you are just literally growing up in the public eye and we're just trying to go along with you while you find yourself yeah and i find that i have grown up growing up and changing in the eyes of the of the public has been very natural for me and and exciting too because i do have an alter ego that has kind of formed during business or age or you do have a side of you that is a little bit more like spicy

sexy you're still the nicest girl and still nice you know that's it that's it but you know what i'm thinking sitting here the whole time i can't i can't you probably see me looking at you i'm just like she's so cool i'm not cool enough i'm like how cool she is like i'm like i'm looking at the earrings and the top and the necklace and i was like i need to wear more hey we do that i do that like i'll sit there like you know even like my manager over there she's like sitting there i'm like yo her pants are so cool those boots i'm gonna try and build that tomorrow you know i'm going to wear something like that tomorrow you know we do that we do that how humanizing is that though because i think like you can look in and and you know through social media as we spoke about

things can seem so unattainable in certain ways still you know and like we put people up on a pedestal and then it's so incredible to have these conversations it's so humanizing where it's like most people are still figuring it out along the way as well that's true though yeah i just decided i'm gonna get a second ear piercing there's so many i want to i want to talk to you about love yeah love we love love here at life uncut and your fiancee congratulations family you guys have been together well i know you were long distance for seven years but how long have you been together together um we have oh oh nine 2009 so someone in the room did a math or 14 15 14 15 15 yeah 15 years yeah the first two years was actually it was the second year you know when you meet the

person and he's and it's like you go through that phase in your life you're like oh you have a particular look of a guy that you're gonna go and I was I was literally like 18 you know I was like 16 17 18 on my 18th birthday went out with a few girls and it was actually eight of us eight of us girls and I hadn't seen them in a while because I'd just come off board performing with a girl band at the time called the Young Divas and they were an influence I was I mean I was 16 at the time when I first went into this girl band and they were crazy and and you know kudos to them they were the it girl band at the time I mean I remember and strong women as well but uh crazy crazy in a very good way in a very strong way but I remember meeting up with eight of my girlfriends

and you know we decided we're going to go out and normally we do like a little playing a game like truth or dare in this case yeah this was this was a damn moment it was I had kind of missed a lot of those games in the club and they decided to get me get me really good and one of my best friends she was like yo we're gonna play truth or dare Jess hasn't been here so it's her turn she's up girl what are you gonna do I'm like all right dare and I was just in a daring mood because I you know when you see your girlfriends you go you go off like you shake you know drop down and get eagle on you know and in fact this dare was really out of my comfort zone what was the day the dare was they knew of this so i didn't know this but they went to school with this guy well my partner

now she goes what did she say to me oh i'm gonna point my fingers gonna point to a person down on the on the dance floor because we were literally on like the third floor of this club called discovery mind you discovery wow she points to this person in the in the crowd and she's like he's wearing white he's the only guy that's wearing white she's pointing and I'm looking and I'm like yo I can't believe I'm doing this I make my way down I'm freaking out I'm like this is not me Jess this is not you what are you doing before I go she says I want you to crab claw him on the on the butt like on the on his cheek which you can't do anymore you can't do that anymore like we're talking um you know 2009 2009 2008 09 guys um yeah this is when when you know when you

But it worked out. Yeah, thank God. But, yeah, I went down there and literally as I got closer, there was like all these fellas that were surrounding this one guy. And I eventually, I found a gap between one of the fellas. So they're like moving and, you know, dancing to the music. And I found the gap and I was like, yeah, I'm actually going to do this. My hand goes straight in and I see his cheek and I'm like, yo,

I literally clawed that ass. I was like, well, and my hand came straight out. I ran, I ran, I went straight to like, I ran, I literally ran. I was like, I can't believe I've just done this. I ran to the bar and I'm standing there and I'm freaking out. I look back up to the girls. I'm like, yo, I did it, but yo, I'm so embarrassed. And then literally like two minutes later, I've just ordered, you know,

my vodka and cranberry juice drink and I'm standing there and I look to my right and he's literally standing there and i freak out i was like is my drink ready can you like yeah and she's like yep coming all of a sudden i feel like this breeze in my ear and like i'm like that's like turn like he's talking in my ear saying i know it was you i know he was like i know it was you like screaming in the club like in my ear and i'm like yo i don't even know who you are and he's like oh see all those fellas like they're all my friends and they saw you do it anyway um he was annoying by the whole night after that like he just wouldn't leave me alone and I was like yo this fella's not my

type this was a dare like how did I get myself into this and now he won't leave me alone and 15 years later but it was crazy because as I you know would come home every four five times a year I'd see him at the places that I would at my favorite coffee shop or you know the shopping center just places and I just started to see him and I was like yo universe what are you doing it was that following year that I said yo let's uh I'm willing to make this work if you are this is actually what I do it's my profession so hardly ever home but you know I'd like to make this work and yeah happened like that then the universe made it happen how did you make it work folks I think so many people long distance is hard like long distance is something that can for any even a

great healthy relationship can throw a huge spanner in the works how did you guys make it work and for anyone listening who may be doing long distance what's your advice in that yeah well there was a lot of like you know texting calling I used all my credit from that connection we just kind of just allowed it to happen I think it was just calling each other texting each other you know yo what are you doing and um he didn't know what i did like it was just weird but his friends knew because they had watched the show so they knew i was jessica mowboy from australian idol and you know that i was becoming an artist and i think you was you was like jessica mowboy well yeah he yeah that that was that was how you know

But I think just that opposite worlds, like completely just attracted, you know, I just loved how he was as a human. And I've started to understand his world and like how family orientated he was and how close he is with, you know, his siblings and mom and dad. And that was an important thing, you know, for me is that I'm very close with my parents and get along so well with my family. And I think that was the one thing that really bonded us So when our families did meet, it kind of seals the, like our dads are bumbadies, like from the get-go, like they would take each other out fishing, cook each other breakfast. Even our mums, you know, would hang out and chill, you know, over a wine and crack a joke.

But once we knew that kind of sealed our bond of like, you know, where our families love each other. So if that's what we're seeing, then we're automatically gonna, we're gonna fall in that. And do you think as well, like, cause it must be such an immense amount of trust that you have to have. in your partner when you're not in the country yeah you're at a distance yeah as much as staying in touch is important but just there was a lot of that like there was a lot of kind of heartache in the sense of distance and like you would see my family out you know there would be a little bit

of jealousy like you'd be hanging out with my you know my family but at the same time I'd you know you just go through those stages of how things are developing and how we react and there was a lot where I just felt like maybe it wasn't going to going to work the amount of times I felt that way I was like if I am feeling this way then something must be but I'm in love and I love him and so yeah it was like I just wanted to be always with him and so just the understanding developed you know and and and the way we react to life and and and situations yeah and I also imagine it would be hard like long distance is one thing but when it's long distance in that you know you know your partner's a babe then you know they're hanging out with some of the biggest names in the world

like there's got to be there has to be a hundred percent trust because if i was sitting back and like my partner was with all these victoria's secret models and that yeah and that's the i think i think because he was so oblivious to he just didn't know my world enough to feel like that but i would be the opposite which kind of drove me insane because i'd be like yo like are you weird like i don't know like when you don't know your partner's friends enough or haven't hadn't had spent that time I think yeah I think those things really developed and kind of hit hard at home a lot and I think that definitely just made me stronger and made me realize yo I'd do anything for this fella so yeah yeah very cute well Jess not only I mean not only do you have your most

recent single that you've released but also we've been seeing you on our tv screens on free to air baby you are yeah but you are one of the hosts of The Voice and I think that this is a beautiful full circle story for you going from being a contestant on Idol to being the judge behind the scenes now who is, yeah, mentoring and taking this next wave of talent through that process. What has that been like for you? It does overwhelm me at times. Like sometimes I'll sit there and I'm literally watching someone

so brave tell their story through, you know, like a song or even, you know, some of them come up and sing my songs and I'm like, I see what you're doing with that. You completely made it your own. You went, you did something different, you know, and being consistently, this is my second year of coaching on The Voice and just unbelievable kind of witnessing. Young mob that never studied, only ever sang in their bedrooms,

that brought back a lot of those memories of me discovering music. Brings a lot of kind of humbleness, I guess, as a coach because I don't know everything but at least my process was very authentic and wasn't just like I I kind of wasn't just thrushed I mean I bust my way I did the streets you know singing on the streets I did playing backing tracks and singing people's covers and then developing myself vocally whilst doing all those things and for a lot of these artists having that first-hand opportunity to go on a show like The Voice I mean does wonders it does everything in one moment it could make or break you. And I've seen artists that have come off and said, you know what, it's actually not

for me. I do want to ask you something that we're seeing in the media at the moment, like literally in the last couple of days, and that is the pay disparity. Obviously you're with your hosting duties, you've got Guy, Rita and Keith, and we're seeing a lot about a potential mass walkout because people are not being paid equally. Is there any truth to this? And I just feel like it is a constant battle in all industries for women to be paid the same amount as their male colleagues yeah look I haven't had that extreme experience of that at that level but yeah you know it's always kind of a conscious thing you know like how much is he being paid but there's always kind of that in the background because you you've heard so many and they've you know

people have uncovered and have shared their stories and puts that in perspective of oh well does that mean they're better than me you know and sometimes like that can play emotionally pulling my strings here you know what I mean you're really making me think when I shouldn't and it's value-based it's a legitimate amount it's saying this is your worth and this is this person's worth and that's a really difficult thing to swallow when you're all doing the same job essentially it's hard to gulp yeah I mean for anybody who's not across this there's been some articles recently just to unpack that a little bit where Guy Sebastian is apparently fronting a bit more of a conversation around pay equality for the judges and I guess like

we see this in all industries that there's pay disparity but it's really amazing that we are of a time and of a period where other people are stepping up you know just talking about it is even important and it makes you have to change you know what I mean so yeah I'm really excited for our future and the generation to come because they're going to be fully equipped they're going to be like you know what yo you do it yourself and also I think people are frightened to ask for what they're worth because they don't want to miss out on an opportunity because especially in the entertainment industry there's always somebody who's going to be willing to take that spot you know and do it for less because they want the opportunity you know because then you're like

having to weigh that up not that I want to end this on a negative note by any means because I mean like if you do I'll bring it back up yeah it was like a negative question to ask but do you feel that you have ever experienced discrimination or racism in the music industry coming from like your own unique background and being a proud indigenous woman do you find that you've had moments where you're like this doesn't quite match the way that other people are being treated there's I mean there's so many I have experienced that and I think by experiencing you learn so you try and you go in a different direction I think that's the thing don't be afraid to switch it up and turn left and I think that's what's happened to me in the last I mean five

years of realizing my worth and my position more aware than I have ever been in the way that I release it you know and who I release it with I mean and team equal you know I've always kind of you know been so up front with my team about this is very an equal opportunity so we're all at the same level here we look up to each other we respect each other but I think having that firsthand you know and asking for it or not being afraid to put that number there your own personal value you this is how you see yourself plays a an important path and how you move forward in the future so yeah no thank you for bringing that up because um I've in just in the last five years I've I've really understood you know even my worth as much as I've been in in the industry for such a

long time I think gradually you understand a lot more when you when you do pick up those tools and people that you meet along the way where you want to be next really see clarity well speaking of next and what is next congratulations on your new single automatic i watched it and listened to it it was great i one question before i before i ask what's next for you did you do those stunts on the i did not do this i was like she's a badass you guys have to see the film clip if you have it she's on these quad bikes she's like one of them you guys you're like upside down on two wheels One, they wouldn't have let me. Two, I do not know how to do those backflips, particularly on a quad bike.

There's one thing she can't do, the backflip. Okay, we found it. She can't do two wheelies on a quad bike. No. But what is next for you? When are we going to see you touring? What are we going to see next? Yeah, well, I was fortunate to kick off my Boss Lady tour at the beginning of the year,

which was totally awesome to get back on the road and just bring my family band who lost a lot of work for the last two years. So it was nice to just gather all the roadies, all the tech people and build a show and build a stage and give everybody a job. And, yeah, so we're kind of going to pick up at the end of the year. The plan is to maybe go to WA because, you know, I feel like I hardly ever do a lot of music there. They always get forgotten about.

Yeah, yeah. No one's allowed in. I know. No one's allowed in. Like, come on, WA. So, yeah, that's the kind of plan. and then head up to the NT and do some community work there and showcase the show there.

And TAS, like I want to get back to Tasmania and see that beautiful country there. And then get married, of course. Yeah, I mean, that would be like, that would be the icing. I mean, you know, I've thought about it. You know, I've been with my partner for such a long time, as we spoke earlier, and it would be a beautiful gift. That would be the icing on the top, which would be nice.

Jess, thank you so much. Honestly, we know that you are such a busy woman and we're very grateful for the time that you've given us today. But you are honestly just like. You're a breath of fresh air. Oh, you're wonderful to talk to. I'm coming to get my ears pierced. I'll come with you.

I want to get a fourth. Yeah, let's do it. But honestly, I've loved speaking with you today and thank you so much for being a part of the podcast. Boy, thank you, boss ladies. Doing it for the women. Thank you always. Such a pleasure.

You guys know that we never finish an episode without our suck and our sweet, our highlight and our lowlight of each and every week. Brittany Hockley, what is your suck for the week? I know it's against the rules, but I'm just going to say I don't actually really have one this week. And before anyone comes to me and says there's rules and I have to, it's only because my sweet is so sweet. My sister and her fiance, Jay, have come to stay with me for a bit over a week, actually,

maybe like 10 days. We went away for the weekend to the Blue Mountains. We had, you know, there was no TV, no Wi-Fi. We had a really wholesome weekend. Where are they sleeping? Because we're currently in the room that's your spare room. this lounge is an amazing koala one of those flap out mattresses it's so good i have one of these they tidied it this morning just so that you guys could come over and record but that's my suite we

had a really great weekend and it's it's just nice to have some family time again because they don't live they live up north in queensland and my sister and i have been inseparable our whole life we've always lived a few streets away we've always worked in an emergency department literally together for 12 hour shifts we've lived together we've done everything traveled together this is the longest we've ever been away from each other and i had to let her you know she had to spread to wings and get married and live her own life apparently how dare she much to my dismay but yeah that's my suck and my sweet what's yours what about being in the blue mountains and the yeah i saw i saw your instagram over the weekend and let me tell you that's my suck i wanted to go

somewhere dog friendly that was my biggest thing i wanted to take delilah out into the mountains and give her some time to run felt bad for sending her to military school so we went to the blue mountains and there were so many amazing dog hiking areas and if anyone wants to you just google it a lot of people have messaged me saying oh isn't all national park how can you take your dog yes there is a lot of national park that dogs cannot go but there are a lot of tracks up there that dogs can go and there were so many wild dogs on there like they went wild there were so many dogs going wild on this track they were in swimming in waterfalls and they're running around together and it was really really wholesome so if anyone wants a little getaway i can recommend that well

i was looking at your instagram this weekend and i was like i want to be there by myself no i love my family i don't mean that my suck for the week actually my suck just happened on the way here i was like holding my i was holding it in i wasn't telling you when i arrived because i was like still fucking dying inside but i wanted to tell you on the podcast it's actually not a very exciting story but you're really empty as i as i walked out of the house to come here and i was in a bit of a rush and i had the kids i walked out and i walked down through our little carport area and I walked face first through a spider web, like face first. I was like, fuck, fuck, fuck.

Anyway, clean the spider web off. Oh, my God, there's a spider in you. Stop it. On the drive here, I felt it crawling down the back of my neck and I wish I was making this up, but I'm not. I felt something in my – I felt – you know when you just can feel something's in your hair and I was like, fuck, there is a spider in my hair and then I was like, nah, you're just being paranoid.

Like you're thinking yourself, you're wheeling yourself into thinking that you've got a spider on you and then it started actually crawling down my neck and it was legit a spider have no idea couldn't find it i think i killed it or it's living in the back of your head against the back of the car no i think i killed it into my hair but i'm just not sure so if i start screaming later on today it's because it's made a home in my ear okay so that makes me feel physically ill my sweet for the week is actually do you know my sweet is i just remembered we don't my sweet is that I took Matt and I took Marley and Lola and our nieces Millie and Charlotte with Auntie Kate

that's so weird that I just had to rattle off everyone that came with us we all went to a concert on Saturday called City Diver so you guys might know Matt O'Kine he's like he's a comedian he used to do morning breakfast radio on Triple J like he's super successful dude great guy to follow on Instagram he also has a kid's show like which is so weird and I never would have expected it but he has a kids show he has a kids band with another woman named christy and the kids fucking loved it and it was so fun and we were the losers in the front row and you know when someone sees you and they kind of like he was on stage and he was like what the fuck are you guys doing here that was the face that he made and there was matt there was matt and i in the very

front row is he like the new modern day wiggle is that what the vibe is yeah but cooler and better for parents because he makes jokes about farts and butts and stuff so it's like the kids love it Very mature. But anyway, guys, that is it from us. Another episode down and dusted. Tomorrow we have an exciting little project that is coming out. I know that we've spoken about it a little bit, but Hooked, Hitched and Hung Up will be launching tomorrow morning.

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