Life Uncut - Can Divorce Make You A Better Parent? Girls' Weekends Away and Wedding Venue Mishaps

Episode Date: August 26, 2024

Hey Lifers, We are back from a little few day vacay! Laura's friend catch up FINALLY made it's way out of the group chat and into reality! She had a little mishap at the airport and there's a valet parker who hopes she never comes back.Britt and Producer Keeshia went to Bali to sus out Britt's wedding venues and food tastings. They ended up getting sick and missing some of the important parts. Chaos and motion sickness; very on brand for life uncut! The world is in mourning as JLo and Ben Affleck file for divorce! Lots of the world are talking about whether you think it's ever a good idea to go back to your ex. But, we're more interested in whether you think divorce can make you a better parent.There was a really interesting article by Kathryn Jezer-Morton in the Cut that explored the idea that the end of a marriage, while challenging, can lead to personal growth and improved parenting skills. We discuss: Whether our experiences of divorce or parents staying together influenced our views on relationships and marriage Whether you should or shouldn't stay in a step kid's life Whether we think divorce is always traumatic to kids How it shaped our views of conflict Parents who are only staying together for the kids - is this a good thing or a bad thing? Does being a 'child of divorce' make you more 'realistic' about marriage? We mentioned a podcast that we recorded with Esther Perel You can watch us on Youtube Find us on Instagram Join us on tiktok Or join the Facebook Discussion Group Tell your mum, tell your dad, tell your dog, tell your friend and share the love because WE LOVE LOVE! xxSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Life Uncut acknowledges the traditional custodians of country whose lands were never ceded. We pay our respects to their elders past and present. Always was, always will be Aboriginal land. This episode was recorded on Cammeraygal land. Hi guys and welcome back to another episode of Life Uncut. I'm Laura. I'm Brittany and we are back from our very mini little vacay. Four nights away, it's all I need. Hot dash. I could have done with longer, I'm not going to lie,

but I'm not going to say no to the four nights. A four-night trip to Bali is so aggressive. It was so aggressive. It's actually, I mean, Keisha was trying to convince me that it's a good idea to do with the kids and I was like, please never try and convince me that a four-night trip, an international trip, six hours on a plane with children, there and back, just duck over, is a good idea.

I would never try and tell you that that is a good idea. I have to tweet it myself as a 37-year-old woman. You're like, even I needed an iPad. I did. I was on Struggle Street. No, it is great. If you don't have kids, four nights is great for Bali because it is quick enough. Like we left it in the morning, wake up in the morning,

we were having lunch in Bali in the sun. So it was nice. It is doable. But do not do it with small children. I just don't understand. Okay, I know you were there for a very specific reason, which we will get into. Brittany was wedding shopping.

In case you didn't know, I'm engaged. Everybody. So Britt was off wedding shopping, venue shopping. I need to hear, like, I want to hear everything. I kind of know some details because on the drive in Keisha told me lots of bits and pieces. Keisha! But I also got to go on a holiday and this was not as exciting as yours, but it was my first trip. Like it was a first girls trip. No husbands, no children. First girls trip that I've ever had with my group of friends who I've been friends with for 12 years. And this was our friendversary. We've been trying to do it for 10, like for literally the last two years, we've been trying to do it. We organized it on our 10 year friendship anniversary and it took us two years to get it out of the group chat and actually into Noosa.

So it's actually 12 years. It was our 12 year friendversary. But that's a cute idea, a friendversary. I like that. Yeah. Let this be your sign. If you've been trying to plan a weekend away or a holiday with your girlfriends, go and fucking do it. Cause it was, it was amazing. And this sounds really dumb but I have never been to Noosa before and I felt like I was just getting in on a joke what do you mean you've never been to Noosa every single person I say that to is is like shocked to the core no because in my head Hastings Parade oh paradise in my head you're a Noosa girl in my head I'm one too now Noosa is one of those places that until you have been and I say this like I go all

the time I've been twice it's when you go you're like how did I not know this existed like I don't know what day you got at the beach, but when the water is flat and crystal clear blue, you were like, am I in the Maldives? I thought that Noosa was somewhere that middle-aged women wearing caftans go. And then I realized I'm a middle-aged woman wearing a caftan. I was having the time of my fucking life. Which is why you're thriving. That's why you were there. I was like, this is amazing. But we did not leave Hastings Parade or Hastings Street or whatever it's called the whole time. Yeah. We just walked that little, that little three blocks up and down. It's all you need you go to the alcove you do the walk around the coast it's all you need in life yeah smoothie

bowl nah rice and raw and rice I think it was called but I did have something happen to me at the airport which I feel as though you guys will I mean this will come as no surprise to you because you already know how forgetful I am but it was one of those moments where I kind of just looked into the eyes of another person and thought god I'm so sorry for existing and how inconvenient this was for you. I'm sorry for my existence. I'm so sorry for my chaos. So the reason why this trip worked out so well is because I had to go to Brisbane anyway for a work day for radio. So it was actually really, it was really fun. I was on a panel guys and I had a great time on the panel. I love that for you. But radio, cause I had to leave at like five o'clock in the morning,

get to the airport for the very first flight out to Brisbane. They booked valet parking at the airport. Okay. Fancy pants. So fancy. I've never had valet parking. So I drove it and I was like, I'm a fucking baller. Even though there was a half eaten apple in my console and like kids shit all over the floor. I was like, baller, get in this car. So I drive in and then I realized I was in the wrong valet parking, but I was also cutting it fine for time. So he's like, no, no, no. You've booked it for arrivals, not departures. So then I had to do the loop. If you know Sydney airport, I had to do the loop around. And by then I was like on the time that I needed to be there for check-in. So I drove in and I drove back into the arrivals valet. And as I drove in, I was like,

I'm so sorry I'm running so late and he was like don't worry like it happens all the time the guy helps me get my bags out and then I like threw my stuff at him he threw a little tag at me and I run into the airport and I check in and everything's fine I go through security and I'm sitting there at the gate and I'm having this moment of like fuck yeah I made it and then I see a guy running through the airport like running but looks really mad did you not give him your keys you didn't did the fobs in your bag he looked so fucking mad and i was like why is this man gonna attack me like what's happening then i realized he was wearing a valet jacket and i had just driven up hadn't even like put the car where you're supposed to put the car just stopped in the middle of the valet

taking the keys and ran to the gate and he had to find me at the gate marco to get my key that is so funny imagine if i'd flown to brisbane with my keys in my bag they would have towed my car four days later the car's still sitting at arrivals with the engine on it's like that's so fair sorry fair you went off semi-fair when you took your keys overseas the argument still stands they are my keys i actually can't believe you did that you are so lucky he found you he found me and he looked so mad and for a second because i don't take criticism very well I got a bit defensive. Shocked, Laura.

He was mad and was like, I need the keys. And I was like, whoa, okay, calm down. Okay, big man. Then I realized actually I was the problem. And so then I sheepishly gave him my keys. I was so embarrassed to go and pick my car up. I was like, I wonder if they've put a big sign on it being like, this is the girl who fucking abandoned her car.

Imagine if they had to like call you out over the loudspeaker, but they don't know who you are. Well, the woman that just radically dropped her car off out the front in the wrong place of arrivals. Woman with a heart. half eaten apple in her car and then stole the keys please report back to security you will be escorted off the premises yeah so that was me thank you we Keisha and I had actually a really now that you've said that we had a really great weekend away too but it's probably the first

weekend I have also had in a very long time with just girls like I haven't been away with and there wasn't even girls it was one girl it was not a plural it was just Keisha I also don't I don't want people to to misunderstand what I've just said as well because I know that I know from the outset like from social media and stuff it looks as though we travel a lot and I absolutely do like I travel a lot for Tony May I went to India with my sister like I've been away heaps this year but this is the first time I have been away in about almost a year that was purely just a holiday it was not there was no work attached to it at all except for the Brisbane part but then the Noosa part was great sorry continue no I was just thinking the same thing I was just thinking of

people the people that were trolling me on my Instagram yesterday oh no just you reminded me I trolled yesterday. I had a few trolls. It's fine. About what? No, one girl wrote, does this girl ever work? And I was like, fucking bro. Do you know what I love the most?

It's so obvious that they've tried to send something you've created to someone else, like their friend, and they're having a bit of a bitch but it accidentally comes to you and you're like, oh. Yeah, it's like the time they tried to send a story of Marley saying that she was an unattractive baby to their friend but they accidentally send it to me. Yeah, that was her turtle face. It was a cute face that she went through.

I mean, she grew out of it. She was a big cross-eyed. She looked like a frog. Yeah. Anyway. Let's not reminisce on the past. No, but someone was trolling me about how I never work and I'm always on holiday. And I wanted to say what you said.

It looks, no, but it looks like that because I post a lot on holiday when I'm with Ben, but we have a full-time radio job. Now, to be fair, you've been to the Maldives like 17 times this year. I don't even remember the last time you worked. I've been to the Maldives twice. Fuck you. I've been to the Maldives twice. This year.

Yes. And also, guys, no, no. Sorry. No. There is no one in this world who will relate to I've been to the Maldives twice this year, but you go off. It wasn't this year. One was at the end of last year.

Guys, I'm in a long-distance relationship. But what I wanted to say is when we do have our radio break, yeah, I go hell for leather. I cram. In my last holiday in June, in 10 days, I went to five countries in 10 days. You do the math. It's two days a country. It looks like I'm getting around and then I post photos longer than I'm there.

It's fake. I come back and I'm work. I'm still posting in Malta. Okay. That's what I do. That's the life I live. Let me, let me, let me live. That's what I want to say.

And in addition, go off, go off queen. In addition, what I want to say is when I am on my holiday with Ben, I'm at home all day alone waiting for him. He's not on holiday. He goes to work and I sit there and twiddle my thumbs, usually in the rain in Scotland. Now I'll be with Dracula in Romania. But I just wait for Ben and then he comes home at night and we have sex.

That's my holiday. Just to reiterate. That's a working holiday. Anyway, that troll really got to me. Okay, anyway. No, so Keisha and I had a great weekend together with the girls. I have not been away with a girlfriend in as long as I can remember, like properly, and we had so many laughs.

But it started from like the second we got to the airport to the end when we were vomiting simultaneously but we got onto the plane and we were sitting down before we took off and this girl was walking down the aisle and just out of nowhere just looked into our faces and she goes get a job and walked off lifer if you know you know she's a lifer through and through and I was like yes yes you go off it was so well delivered everyone else would have thought it was really rude but I was like the insiders knew we were like yeah and everyone I just thought someone was now abusing me, telling me to get a job while I was going to Bali.

No, she was awesome. Her name was Joss and she is a full lifer. I also ran into anyone who's in the Sunshine Coast who's a lifer might know of Taneya who runs our, she does like life on cut meetups. She's been doing it since day dot. I ran into her. I was checking my bags in and then had a moment where I was like, you know, when you see someone out of context and I was like, I know you.

Are you? Are you? Anyway, they're everywhere. We ran into loads in Bali as well. It was amazing. There was also, we had our birthday in Bali. so we were down at this really lovely restaurant on the beach and this lovely couple they'd been married not long before this is their honeymoon they came over and I got this tap on the shoulder

and she was just like happy birthday anyway her name was Stevie and we were chatting to her and her husband for a while they were so nice but the funniest thing was right at the end of the conversation he completely threw her under the bus he said to Britt and I oh I'm so glad this was such a nice little chat because to be honest she was a little worried she was like what happens if I go over there and they're bitches. That's what they say, right? Like never meet you. I mean, I won't say heroes because we're certainly not that.

Now say it. That's what she said. That was what she said. No, she did say that. She said it's like to someone or like someone you've always wanted to meet and then you meet them and they let you down. She's like, I really was worried you guys were going to let me down. I was like, we don't let anyone down.

Guys, I do want to say this. I feel like we used to say this all the time. And so over the years it kind of felt like we were repeating ourselves. There is nothing that we like more than meeting. you guys are the reason why we do this podcast and the fact that so often and when we're in different places or we're doing things people come up and say I love the podcast or they they listen to it so devoutly that they know a story like get a job yeah it makes me so happy like genuinely deeply so happy so please if you've ever seen us and you're thinking like oh should I

go and say hello we're losers say hello to us you've made our day so Keisha and I were in Bali mainly, well, no, the sole reason was my wedding venues. Like I had to go and pick a wedding venue because otherwise I've got nowhere to get married in a very short period of time. And I just don't trust Instagram. So like there are incredible venues on Instagram that I probably could have just booked based off of that, but I just didn't trust it. We can't have a wedding that neither Ben or I have seen. No, of course not. You've got to go and at least try the Nazi Goreng and make sure it's of good quality. Yes, it was some good quality Nazi Goreng. So we went to a couple the venues. Anyway, we were going to this one venue and it was really important for me that

Keisha could also look at everything, taste everything, because I don't trust myself. Second opinion. A hundred percent, especially with the food. Like I don't just trust myself because I am like a truffle pig. Like I will eat everything. There is nothing, if you put anything in front of me, I'm going to eat it. I'll be like, that was delicious, but it could have been whatever. Why can you call yourself a truffle pig and I can't call you a swamp donkey? They hit different. They hit different because the truffle pig was more about my lack of food and the swamp donkey was more about your appearance. Got it. Got it. That's where

the limit is. I understand now. It's a bit more personally. I have felt like a swamp donkey many times over the last week though. So we're driving to this venue and it was the one that I thought I really wanted. Like in my head, out of all the venues we saw, I was like, I think this is going to be the one. So we get in the car and Keisha's like, oh, I don't feel great. I was like me either. We were getting really nauseous from, we think car sickness, nothing we ate, but car sickness. We both get car sick. I get motion sickness on an office chair. If I scoot too fast on an office chair, I'm done.

So she's like, I just need to lay down for a minute. So she lays down on my lap. She's like, can you scratch my head? So I'm like, okay. So now she's on my lap and I'm like massaging her head in the car. And in my head I was just like. And then she's like, can you call me Ben? She's like, dart me.

Slip one in. In the back seat. What? Slip too far. Sorry. so i'm massaging ahead in my head i'm like okay i mean love you fine we're friends i was like but this is my day the massage lasted as long as the instagram story was being recorded i would like on record anyway we get to the venue and we're both feeling really unwell and it's when they're showing

you these venues it's a really big thing they're trying to win your business they're trying to make it look as beautiful as possible and they're professional they have all these people waiting they've got towels they've got drinks as you get out of the car anyway so we both swamp donkey out of the car straight to the bush and are like heaving like no vomit yet but we were like oh my god this is going to be a disaster and he's like are you okay we're like yes just please give us a minute so we sit outside for 15 minutes we're like you guys can go inside there's just waiting with the towels like no we'll wait and we're like oh my god we walk inside even more beautiful and spectacular in there and Keisha's like I'm sorry I need to get horizontal I'm so

unwell so she just lays down puts her feet up I'm like can you please give me one moment sir And he's like, yes. I was like, do you have a bathroom? He's like, right here, like right in the middle of where everyone is. And I was like, thank you. Walk in, close the door. For the next 20 minutes, I am heaving, vomiting. Everyone there can hear my vomiting.

Like I annihilate the toilet. There is nothing worse. And for anyone who's been to Bali, you'll know, you may have experienced this. There's some bathrooms where like the toilet, the door doesn't go all the way to the floor and it doesn't go all the way to the ceiling, but it's not actually in a separate room. it's just a toilet that's within the room that everyone else is actually in yep everyone's

alfresco toilet at the posh wedding venue that they're we haven't even seen the venue yet and these guys are probably like what the fuck anyway keisha's i'm vomiting keisha's so unwell that they have to go and get her a healer a healer comes and the at the venue they're like please lay down the healer comes and starts doing this like nausea massage and massaging her head i finish vomiting and I come out and they're like, sorry, but we need to see the, and I was like, let's go. Come on, let's go. Let's see this.

I'm good. And I was like, come on, Keisha. She's like, I can't move. Keisha does not see my wedding venue. For the next 30 minutes, Keisha lays down, gets a neck massage, gets a head massage and gets healed, quote, unquote. She did heal me. Healed.

I see the lad. She did. And so I'm seeing this venue and then we walk out at the end and Keisha's like, so what do we think? She goes, I think it looks great. It could be the one. She goes, what's that? I'm like, the ceremony place, Keisha.

I was like, you would know if you saw it. So now I've had to make my decision without my step-in fiancé's help, without Keisha's help. We've annihilated the toilet, but I think I'm going with the place that I destroyed the toilet. That's amazing. But you decided on a wedding venue. Yes.

And you decided on the food. Well, that was another story. I think so, yes. But we did one tasting that was going really well. It was delicious. and then I looked down and I saw a huge hair in my food. So I was like, it's okay, I'm not going to panic. It's just a hair.

Hairs don't bother me. No. A pew might. They don't bother me either, Laura. So I pushed it to the side and I said, I'm not going to let that deter me. It was quite flavoursome. We continued on eating and I went to put the next big thing on my plate and there was not one.

There were like five humongous fucking huge black hairs. I've got red hair now. it was like they had garnished it with hair to the point that you cannot push it anymore it's like a hair noodle anyway so it's keisha and i on one side it's like an interview and all the food in the middle and then him just him on the other side and that's it and he said how's the food and i said it's wonderful i said i i'm not i don't usually say something but i have to tell you that there's a hair he goes oh my god a hair i'm so terribly sorry i was like not just one i was like someone shaved their head into it and i show it's like the bathroom bowl after

And Matt's cut his beard and just like sprinkled it on top. But then Keisha puts her hand up and she's like, there's one in mine too. I didn't want to say anything. Three plates of hair. So it was the one dish. And the funniest thing was is that we're people pleasers, right? So I saw the hair initially and I just scooped it to the side and I thought not going to tell Britt that because, you know,

she's having a good experience. This is very important. I don't want to ruin the vibe. And it wasn't until I looked over at her plate and I saw that she'd done the exact same thing. And she'd scooped the hair out and it wasn't until I think both of us clocked that there was a lot of hair. So that's who we've gone with anyway.

That's who we've gone with. That's the case. I was like, I like what you've done with this dish. What's the secret? It's like I shaved my pubes into it. Well, after speaking about marriage and Brit's, you know, engagement. Impending. Impending marriage, the joys, the highs, the lows.

We're also going to talk about the lows because you guys would have seen that last week JLo and Ben Affleck it's been on the cards for a long time it's been in the stars one might say 25 years but they finally announced their divorce irreconcilable differences is what has been put on their divorce paperwork but that is the standard like you have to enter something in America to get divorced so it's the standard it's literally like a drop down menu and you're like oh irreconcilable differences it's this blanket divorce statement well you're never gonna put down and be like cheetah fuck wit like control yeah no it's a drop down and I think it's like the blanket statement because it is made public like this so you can't put in like the

real reason yeah and I find their relationship fascinating for so many reasons one because when they first got together not first the second time they got together like this 20 year relationship that spanned across multiple other relationships across them having children with other people and then they've come back together now what I find interesting about them is that they have been now together for two years this divorce was filed on the day of what would have been their two-year anniversary right which is like it's a bit of a fuck you from JLo to Ben Affleck I think it is like there is you've waited for that day for a reason so it does get you thinking well I think she I think that it was very much a statement I'm obviously we're all we're speculating because

we don't know them I'm not friends with she didn't call me about this unfortunately but so rude I think she would have done it to try and have some impact it would have been a bit of like a personal dig a sting but I think it's interesting because they were together for only two years back in 2002 and then throughout the time that they were both married to other people they spoke about each other so fondly this idea that they were each other's first real love and then and will be each other's last well it was this kind of like fairy tale story that after all this time they'd come back together even when they very first got together JLo did a post on Instagram you know we've learned the lessons we've had this time apart we know exactly what we want as people and

we're going to do it right this time and you really did think that they were going to have their happy ever after for at least six months and then that it became obvious that that wasn't really the case it's funny that the world is so obsessed with them their relationship and their divorce but I think the infatuation comes from they're not a regular couple not not just that they're not a regular couple like they're a hollywood couple not no but their story is a regular like the story of they really push the fairy tale narrative of right person wrong time which i think a lot of us like to hold on to like a lot of us have that person in our life where we're like i know you were it but we weren't in the right place like let's revisit it in 10 or 15

years so they were the one that let the little people like us believe in that that storyline So I have two separate questions, which I think is very interesting around their relationship. The first one is, do you think it's a case that people can change if you give a relationship a second go years down the track? Or do you think it's more likely that we romanticize and fantasize about what the potential of a relationship can be? And then often you give it another go and actually it just turns out that it's just a fucking hot mess and it wasn't what you wanted it to be in the first place.

I mean, that's obviously what's happened to J-Lo and Ben. They've obviously thought that they were at the right time now and they were going to have the happy ever after. And we were all for it. Like I was frothing it. I was like, yes, I love that you guys have navigated all the trauma and the tumultuous things that life has thrown at you and you found yourself and you're going to have this blended family

and your kids love each other. And it was the dream. But it didn't work out. I do, though, think that people can change. Absolutely. I have seen it. I have told you guys about a friend of mine that was married they divorced and then they ran into each other 10 years later in a supermarket got remarried and

had kids and they're still together now like for me that is a prime example of like they were too young not in the right headspace not wanting the same things at that time but they still remained at their core the same people then 10 years later at their core same people but ready for something else so I've seen it happen but I think it's very rare yeah and I think I do think that more often than not in these types of situations, it's almost as though you have to go back and give it another shot in order to have the closure, right? You have to give it another chance so that you can mentally go, okay, well, fuck over 20 years, I gave everything I possibly could to that relationship and it absolutely wasn't what I wanted it to be. Even though we tried and even

though we learn all the lessons, we still did the same thing on repeat, whether it was the same mistakes, but you know, the outcome was the same. But the thing that's different about the relationship now versus 20 years ago is the fact that they both have children from other relationships. And when they started this new relationship, they were a coming together of a blended family. Jennifer Lopez, she has two children. No, she has twins. And Ben Affleck has three children to Jennifer Garner, who he was married to last time. Last time? There's so many. One time he married her, one time. At some stage. So something that's been very widely reported on is the fact that they have had this beautifully blended family that the children have all become

really close friends with each other and over the last sort of six or seven months jennifer lopez has been photographed multiple times in multiple scenarios in different countries with ben affleck's children and is doing everything that supposedly she can as a step-mom to maintain this blended family idea and also i think that that lesson came from the fact that in her last marriage to a rod her two girls became really really close friends with his daughter and they became best friends and she even has been on record saying that one of the hardest parts of that breakup was the realization for my children that that best friendship that they had would now not be as intense and they wouldn't be able to be as close so she didn't want to

make those mistakes in this relationship I have thought so much about this because I have I am thinking non-stop about JLo and Ben Affleck and A-Rod J-Rod because I think look divorce we know it's far less stigmatized than what it was you know 15 20 years ago I think there's a lot more acceptance around it even though JLo's now been married what four times I don't think that people the idea around divorce is kind of like it's very common and almost a bit more accepted but I think one of the conversations that doesn't get as much airtime is the relationships with children and how it impacts your kids whether it's in a positive way or a negative way and I think about this for myself because growing up my mum who I've spoken about quite a bit she

married uh my stepdad who was I mean he was fucked it was a horrible relationship yeah we don't even need to sense that he's a fuckwhip he was fucked but he had a daughter Jasmine who was my stepsister so I grew up with a stepsister for seven years of my life and she would come and stay with us we all lived together. She obviously stayed with her mom as well, but I grew up with a stepsister and then they separated. And then that was it. Our relationship was pretty much over. I barely saw her again. I hardly ever spoke to her again up until recent times where we've kind of reconnected tiny bits on social media. But that to me is such a bizarre thing that you can be so entrenched in a family's life. You can be this blended family. And then all of a sudden,

because your parents' relationships dissolved, you lose that relationship with your sibling as well. Yeah, we talk about this a lot, not even involving kids, but just when you end a relationship long term, a really big part about it is the ending the relationship with the extended family and the in-laws and the dream house and the idea like a separation isn't just a separation between two people. There's a lot of aspects that you mourn when you break up with someone. Yeah. And I think that often when we talk about divorce, we talk about first divorces. We talk about like breaking up the nucleus family and what that looks like, but very, it doesn't get as much airtime what it looks like breaking up a blended family when someone goes through their

second divorce. But it's interesting that you say that Laura, because your example of your growing up in your family life and that breakup is, I think is a little bit different because he was such a fuckwit. And the reason we're going to go into this, this is based around like an article that Laura and I have been talking about. We saw it on The Cut and it's about, can divorce make you a better parent? And once we sort of delved into it, one thing that you just said, Laura, was, you know, your parents broke up and you never saw Jasmine, your stepsister again, right? But she's okay with me talking about it. Hi Jasmine, if you listened. I don't know if you're alive or not. But then at the same time, it was the best thing for your mom and stepdad to break

up. Like that relationship was not great. And I imagine as your mom, she would have considered that. There's a part of her that's like, well, do I stay together because it's better for our kids and the family knowing that the relationship is bad and it will impact them? Or do we separate the kids and they go through that struggle knowing that in the long run it would be better like I can't imagine the decision that you have to make in a situation like yeah and kids are like very I mean I think so kids are very very resilient to change but I also think at the time and there still is I say that divorce has been de-stigmatized a bit I don't think multiple divorces has been totally de-stigmatized and I think my mum was very frightened about being divorced for a second time

you know being in her early 30s and being like well I've gone through two divorces now so I do think she clung to that relationship a lot fiercer than what she may have had she not ever been through a divorce prior but I guess in terms of like this concept and this article is super interesting we'll link it in the show notes from the cut around whether or not divorce can make you a better parent people often talk about well how's that going to break up the family how is the divorce going to impact the children? But I think if you as a parent are so fixated on the issues that you have in your relationship, on the drama, the toxicity, the inability to live harmoniously with your partner, that takes up so much brain space. It takes up so much of your

energies that it actually can be quite challenging to be a good clocked in parent because you're so consumed with all of the struggles of your relationship that often can sometimes unfortunately take priority. Well, the article goes on to list some of the positive things that can happen when two people get divorced and there's kids involved. And I found it really interesting. So I don't come from divorce. My mum and dad, Nikki and Tony, have been married next month. I think it's 47 years. Yeah, that was so weird to me as a kid. But now I look at that and I'm like, that's amazing. But 47 years, and that is not an easy feat. So I feel very, I guess, lucky that I didn't have to experience that growing up. But some of the things they say is, she says,

sometimes it takes divorce to create equality in a partnership, forcing both parents to do an equal share of caregiving. I think that this would be a big one. I'm going to say most relationships, the woman, the mother is the person that does more. This is obviously not a blanket statement, but as mums, you do take on more, you do do more housework and you are more of the caregiver. When you split, and I'm just saying this from my friends' relationships that I've seen, But when you split up, all of a sudden the father, when they're having that one-on-one time with their kids, they have to do more. And the mother gets time off.

Like there actually is that time where she's like, okay, well, what do I do with my time now? I've got three days while the kids are at their dad's. I'm going to find myself again. There will definitely be people who are listening to this, who have been through divorce and see this as an idealistic or oversimplified version of what divorce can bring. Because I would say I have also seen the opposite where just because a divorce has happened doesn't mean that that person who wasn't stepping up in the relationship steps up in terms of

parenting. And often, sometimes, yeah, sometimes it's divorces happen and you can co-parent harmoniously and the other person really picks up maybe where they fell short in the relationship. But often as well, you have a divorce and still there is one parent who is doing the primary caregiving of the kids. And then the other parent is doing the weekend job. Because we have had such different childhoods like divorce happened multiple times like my mum was divorced she was remarried three times but she was divorced twice my dad has been divorced three times he's now single Brit coming from a relationship where your family have been together your parents have been together for 47 years and as a nucleus family everybody has kind of lived pretty harmoniously

together what have you learned through the way your parents problem solve or like how you view conflict in a relationship? I genuinely think it impacted me a lot without even realizing. I don't think it's a negative way at all. It's positive. But I think a big part of how long I was single for stemmed from how great my parents' relationship was. And what I mean by that is I was taught from a very young age that you can have a loving, healthy, long-term relationship. My mum and dad don't have roles, specific stereotypical gender roles. My dad does most of the cooking. My dad loves to clean.

They share the load completely, which I thought was normal growing up because that's just what I saw. They both worked really hard. My mum was never a stay-at-home mum. She was always out working in the workforce as well. So I just didn't see the stereotypes. So when I grew up and I started dating, I had these really, I don't want to say high standards.

they're just standards but for me people said they were high standards and I remember one person I was dating at one point I just remember saying I think he like raised his voice to me and like and swore at me or something like that and it wasn't overly aggressive but I have never heard my dad swear at my mum my entire life I've never heard him raise his voice to my mum and this will go back to the conflict resolution and I was like don't you speak to me like that and we ended up having this huge fire where he literally said to me I'm not your dad like I'm never going to be to live up to your dad. That's what he said. And I was like, well, of course you can. Like, he's just a respectful man. Like, that's what I expect in a relationship. And he was like,

well, you're never going to find that. And I'll never forget that. And then I went forward in my dating thinking maybe my standards are too high. Like maybe my dad fucked me because he's so great, you know? And, and I don't want him, my dad listens to this. He listens to every episode. I love your dad. He's like my biggest fan. Tony has listened to every episode for five years. He has. And he messages me after every one. Thank fuck my dad hasn't listened to this podcast because he'd be like, dear God, Laura, I know too much about your labia. How's the trip going? But in terms of conflict resolution, that is what I witnessed

and I think I do the same in my relationship. They never fought in front of us ever and that was a rule. If they were going to, maybe they would get frustrated and throw something down like, oh, I'm going to deal with this later, but there's four of us kids at home so they would just walk away and they would never yell, never swear, never contradict each other in front of the kids like they were so good at making a team so good at it and now they'll be the first people to say oh my god of course we fought like of course it's not been smooth sailing

for nearly 50 years that is impossible but they made the choice to work through it privately and deal with that so we didn't have to we went to a talk from Esther Perel she's an amazing relationship psychotherapist we've had her on the podcast before we'll link it in the show notes but when we went to her live chat that she did in Sydney last year sometime one of the things that she said in that conversation really stuck with me and I think about it all the time as much as I think about JLo and Ben Affleck's separation. Was it when she said put it in the bar? I don't think that she's ever said that but sure she said she said if you love your children if you love your children then the best thing you can do for your children is to model a healthy relationship with

their parent so like with your partner and this was like talking about people who are already in relationships, like whether you're married or you're, you're, you're living under the one household. It was around, if you love your kids, stay married, but have a healthy and good marriage and prioritize your relationship. Because often what we do when we are and have kids is we deprioritize our relationship because we think we're focusing on the kids, right? We think we're giving the kids the attention that they need. And so therefore we neglect our partner, whether it's physically, emotionally, with all of the needs that they need, we kind of deprioritize them and we go well my focus is on the children very easy to do when you have super young kids as well

and that stuck with me because at the time when she said that I absolutely had deprioritized my relationship with Matt and I was focused on work and the kids they were my two main things and then I was like oh we'll catch up on the relationship later on who's that guy that lives in my house sometimes who are like sometimes we have sex I don't know but that's the thing I heard that and it really, really stuck with me. Now in saying this, I don't want anyone to think that what she was trying to say in that moment is that if you're in a bad relationship, you should stick it out for the kids, right? If you're in a bad relationship with someone, if you have tried and you have put the energy in, or maybe you've come to a place of resolution where you don't want to try anymore

and you don't want to put the resolution or the energy into it, that's okay as well. But I think we kind of need to rewrite this narrative around divorce, that divorce is traumatizing for children, because it is not traumatizing for children. Being in a relationship where two people cannot co-parent, they cannot be harmonious. They treat each other terribly in front of the kids. That's traumatizing for children, but seeing people co-parent independently can actually be really quite empowering for kids. And also I think things that are traumatic in life don't always have to be traumatizing. Now for some people they will be, but for others they won't. And what I mean by that is what traumatizes one person and we use that word so much at the moment and it is

thrown around way too much what might be traumatizing for one person another person will see that as resilience building and that was my experience of divorce growing up I never and for me I think the best place was when my mum came out of her second marriage that's when I felt safe as a child it's when I felt like we were able to actually grow as a family well obviously it's very dependent on the situation on what your parents are like what your home life is like and Keisha I know your parents divorced when you were a teenager as well what was that like for you for me I was a teenager I think I was like 14 years old and what was so strange is that we'd been living in this household that it was just it was such a toxic environment you know

you'd walk in the door you could cut the tension with a knife it was just walking on eggshells and And the strangest thing for me was that like my family was a part of the church at the time and when they made the decision, it was actually more my mum's decision to leave, it was very strange to see how people responded to it. And it's still to this day, I think that there's this narrative around the way that you speak because I was an older kid, you know, I was a teenager and I knew what was going on and it was really weird hearing people be like, oh my gosh, you're going through such a hard time.

like, you know, it's so tough for you and we're here to support you. And, and now looking back, even at the time I did realize this, but looking back now I have so much more perspective and I'm like, oh, that wasn't the hard time at all. That was like, that was the easiest point. That was where I was like, oh, phew. Now we can have this fresh beginning, this new start where people are not living together when they hate each other and they don't want to be around each other. it was just very polar opposite to the story that people I felt like people were trying to make me feel as though I was going through a hard time where I was like oh no this is like this is the easiest chapter of this story but I also think that that is the case when people don't know

what's going on behind closed doors right like that's how I felt when my mum left Alex like I felt an insane amount of relief but I think anybody who didn't know what was happening in our household at the time would have been like oh my god Paul like that's so hard because for people who come from relatively healthy households and it's an amicable separation it can be so fucking hard on the kids like I don't want to gloss over the fact that for some children especially some teenagers who grow up with their family being a relatively happy unit and they can't comprehend why their parents are getting divorced or they think they should have tried harder or for whatever reason like that can be really really hard it's so subjective the experience

do you know what I mean? And I guess that if people don't know the person or the reasons why or the things that are happening behind closed doors, the fights, whether there's physical abuse, verbal abuse, whether there is fighting in front of the children or not, all of that stuff can impact the way in which the kids feel about the divorce. 100%. I think that the only reason I mentioned that is because I think we hear the version of the story where it's like, oh, divorce is really hard for kids so often. You know, that's what we hear the majority of. And I just want to offer that other perspective of it's not always the worst thing and I think the best thing that came out of my parents divorce is that I was taught values that are really important to me

I was taught independence I was taught you know my my dad didn't really know how to cook when my parents separated and he he can do obviously he can do all those things for himself he learned independence too yeah literally though it was so interesting to see that and now look back and be like wow I've spoken with some of my friends who are going through divorce at the moment and I'm like hey counter perspective it's not always the worst thing and your children are going to witness better values than what they may have if you had have stayed together in a relationship where you didn't like each other yeah 100% yeah as a child that did have three to four divorces in her life Laura growing up like your parents with five okay I was trying to I was just trying to be subtle

Laura as someone who had five divorces your parents have divorced collectively five times What did that do to you and your idea around marriage and relationships and commitment growing up? Because we do say to ourselves, okay, if we split up, what's it going to do to our kid? But the fact of the matter is it does have an impact at some capacity. For me, I think that divorce has taken my blinkers off when it comes to relationships. It's kind of made me, I was less caught up in the fantasy of marriage and the fantasy of like, well, we're never going to break up.

We're always going to be together. and I think if you're very conscious and aware then you are more inclined to put the effort in you're more inclined to have the hard conversations you're more inclined to work on it when things are bad because you don't expect or feel as though well the relationship's just going to be there always and I can prioritize other things like that's not to say that I don't think Matt and I will ever come through and go through really really hard situations but I think because he is a product of divorce. And I also am. It made me very, very clear on the type of person that I wanted to marry. And I married someone whose morals and values aligned with mine.

It's actually funny. I had this conversation with Ben just a couple of weeks ago, not off this article, just preparing for marriage. We're in a tricky situation, obviously, because we're from different countries and, you know, our families live on different sides of the world and we were brought up differently, et cetera, et cetera. Ben is a product of divorce as well and we were having this conversation where I said if we split up in the future and we have kids like what do you think you would want to do do you think you would be happy to stay in Australia because he wants to move here you want this is where he wants to spend his life do you think you would be happy to live here and start your life

fresh here or do you think you would want to go back to Europe and he's like what are you talking about it's like we're not going to split up and I said I don't think we will either I said but I think this is a really important conversation to have because if we have a child and we split up it's I need to know if you're going to want to stay around in the child's life or if you're you know what's going to be more important to you and I know it's almost impossible to say because it hasn't happened yet but I think these are really important conversations for people to have just as much as you need to know each other's parenting style you almost need to know each other's like breakup style and like what's your exit what's your exit strategy what's your fucking

exit plan like tell me your exit plan because if if we broke up he either leaves to Europe and I am a full-time single mother because he's not even in the same country I can't even like he's not even gonna have them on a weekend or I'm sending my kids over for months at a time or like how would that even work so I think it's a and he's like don't be stupid we're not gonna break up and I'm like baby everyone gets married with the the idea that they're gonna be together for their entire life. Going back to Jen and Ben, I think it's really cool how she's been seeing quite a lot, photographed quite a lot with his kids. And there are people that are making these comments like, oh yeah, she's doing it for show. It's PR, make her still look good. At the end of the day,

she's their step-mom and she's been in their life for a really long time. And just because you split with somebody doesn't mean you don't still want to work hard for the kids and the other people in that relationship. And they're not her biological children, but her children are very attached to them and they have grown up and gone through a lot together. So I quite like the fact that they're saying, okay, we didn't work, but there's no reason we can't still do the best thing for our children right now. Yeah. And I, I think that sometimes we get caught up in like the celebrity ism of it all. Like we, we see them with a different lens and we're like, ah, well, everything must be a PR and marketing tactic. There's still people.

Maybe there is a PR and marketing tactic to it a little bit, but I also find, I think it's really incredibly respectful to be able to maintain a loving relationship with your stepchildren. I know I can only go back to my own personal experience, but it is absolutely fucking bizarre to me that I had a step-mom for 10 years who I never heard from again after she separated from my dad. It's hard because my perspective is a personal perspective. I know everyone is going to feel differently about this, but I think that there's something really, really cool about the fact that JLo is still spending this time with Ben Affleck's kids and there have been a few articles that have come out around Ben Affleck and how he hasn't reached

out to JLo's kids and he hasn't spent any time with them and to me I just think that looks like a reflection of who was more invested in creating this co-parenting blended family situation like one of them clearly really wanted that and the other one didn't put as much effort in well devil's advocate we also don't know that he has he just hasn't been photographed well you know we're in Sydney, Australia, but we don't know. There's been reports. Okay. Who knows where those reports have come from, but like we're believing the gossip trade at the moment. We know all about anonymous reports, Laura, that they can mean absolutely nothing. It's interesting and there's no right or wrong. And again, we're saying it's dependent on the individual relationship that you

have with each other, with their own parents, with their families, with their kids. But I have so many friends, I shouldn't say so many, but I have quite a few friends who are staying together purely for the children and I have said if you didn't have kids would you be gone and they were like fucking oh yeah but also don't you think that relationships can spiral up and spiral down like I also think that sometimes because especially when you have little kids little kids fuck your relationships the amount of people that I know who have had small children they're still in the absolute trenches of it and it has changed their relationships so much and they think like I don't know how we're ever going to survive this and some relationships don't survive it

but I always think now this is different if it's a toxic relationship obviously but if you were so great prior to having kids you loved each other you were invested in each other and then you had children and something broke there I always think surely that could spiral back up again you could get back to where you once were pre-children if you were able to stay and to stick it out and to work through this incredibly hard time. And I don't know whether that's going to be the case for everyone, but I know that there are a lot of people who say, quote unquote, when they've got little kids, oh, we're staying, we're trying to work it out for the kids. But there will be so many people who try and work it out for the kids that once their kids get into a different phase

of life and they're able to actually really try again, they'll come good. There are people who think that their relationship was over and then they worked on it and they came out the other side okay. My mom and dad have said that. My dad's been like, there are times we thought we would break up because they had four kids under six or something like something wild I don't know what they were thinking they didn't have a tv and imagine if they did imagine if they made a permanent decision around an impermanent situation exactly but that's dad's point because I often talk to them about like how you do it like you know were there rough times because they kept so much from us but we're adults now so like I'm like I can handle it give it to me they're like yeah of

course there were times we thought we were going to leave like times I did almost leave not as in like walk out but they they almost split you know and they're like you work through it and the best times he said the best times of our relationship came after the worst times like after the low point where we thought we couldn't do it came the best the best parts and it's because as a society too I think with how accessible other people are and dating is with online dating platforms you know you can roll over in bed and and go and start chatting to someone the grass is greener the grass is greener i think we do throw in the towel a little bit too soon when things get tough and i'm saying that from a point where i don't have kids i haven't been in the trenches so i

feel like you know take that with a grain of salt but we don't work through problems the same way our parents and their parents used to yeah and i i mean i don't want anyone to hear what we're saying now and think that we're saying that people don't put effort in i know when when you are married or you have children if you've made the decision to get divorced like that decision has not come lightly. No one is just flippantly going like, fuck off with my relationship. Ooh, divorce sounds fun. I want to date again. No one's doing that. But I think that there's so many reasons. There are so many reasons why people get divorced. Some of them are completely unavoidable reasons. It's like, it's not a two way mutual thing. Things have been done to you

that you can't overcome in your relationship. One person's trying, the other person's not. They are situations that are absolutely unmanageable. But then there are sometimes times where I think the pressures of life make you feel as though you cannot work through something and for the couples who are able to for the couples who go to couples therapy or they're able to like persist what can come from the other side of it like you said Britt can be something that's really spectacular yeah it's hard to see the sunshine in the storm sometimes unless you're JLo and Ben Affleck I think like once you've given it to Red Hot Crack don't come back fucking enough come back with another hey her wedding ring was 10 million dollars this last one did you know that

Do you reckon she's got to give that back? No, she's also listed that he can't get any spousal support from her. Go for it. Jenny from the blog, she knows where it's at. Yeah, and fair. He's living in a $20 million house. He doesn't need any spousal support. Yeah, he doesn't need it.

Anyway, guys, we would love, look, I mean, if you have been through a divorce yourself or you are navigating a period in your life where you are contemplating divorce, we would love to hear from you, from your decision-making, how you are able to co-parent, what that's been like. has it been of benefit to you and to your children has it been an additional burden has it brought up the best in your relationship with your ex-partner has it just highlighted all the reasons why they were a fuckwit in the first place like I would love to know the many variations of this and maybe

we can try and figure out how we could put a poll up around this because I think divorce is something that as much as it's becoming more acceptable there are so many variations of what that looks like and how people live out divorce. But I think ultimately the main thing that we wanted to kind of touch on on this is how it affects kids in a relationship. And I don't think that it always has to be something that is hugely traumatizing. Sometimes it can be a really positive thing for kids. Once they get over the initial shock, it can be a really positive way of showing that two people can still love you independently and raise you in their own way whilst being amicable at the same time. Okay. It's time for Accidentally Unfiltered. And you guys sent in some bangers

this week. So we will be able to use those over the coming weeks. Bangers. Bangers. Okay. I went on a camping trip with my new boyfriend and his friends. It was pretty much the first meet and greet of the friends scenario. You know, the ones where you really try and impress them, make everyone like you. We all got a bit drunk. Then my boyfriend and I went back to bed in our tent and had some very very excitable horny sex tents are very bad for acoustics yeah but also you know when you so thin the walls this one's not even the acoustics which is the funny part but you're in a new relationship and you're you've had a few drinks and you're camping like you're putting on we spoke about it last week you're putting on your best moves like you're

bringing it out in a tent anywhere laura the next morning we woke up and were told by his friends that we happen to have left the torch on, which meant that they all saw us having the sex in a puppet show silhouette. You know, from the inside, like when you're telling a ghost story and you put the light on and it goes on there. That's fucking great. Oh, truly mortifying.

They have never let us live it down. So funny. Could you imagine just kicking back, camping and watching? It would be like watching a porno but only silhouette puppet sex. Also when you think you're being really quiet, like you're being so quiet so that they don't know. But they're watching the whole thing. No noise.

Marley's really into doing like the hand against what are they called? Are they hand puppets? Yes, there's a hand puppet. Yeah, hand puppets. Sex puppets. That's what they did. They watched the whole, I think that's fucking brilliant. What a way to interview friends.

Good way to know, like this is a good warning to everyone going camping. Turn the torch off. But also who wants to have sex in like the pitch black? You want to see a little bit. But it would have been something. Just so funny because they would have thought that they put the torch on just to see the dim lighting inside. And that's all I would have thought.

Like that they were like being like all sensual and sexual, but it's been like the whole campsite is displayed on the big screen. That's so unfortunate. Anyway. All right, Brooke, what is your suck and your sweet for the week? My suck, if you follow me on Instagram, you will know that I got a really bad migraine over the weekend in Bali. For any new listeners, I have been a migraine sufferer my entire life.

So they're back with a vengeance. I get migraine Botox now. I'm due for it tomorrow. Britt also has a really wrinkle-free neck off the back of it. So migraine Botox protocol, the Botox goes all through your skull, your basal skull, your neck, and your traps. So my skull is on point if you've seen the base of my hairline. But you get it every three months, and the reason my migraines

are back this week is because obviously I'm due tomorrow and it's just worn off. I metabolize Botox really quickly, so it doesn't do for me what it does for other people. I think some people can get it. can last them six months. For me, it's like a month max. Yeah. I'm like one hit wonder. I'll get it once and then not get it for another like eight months. That's insane. Do you think it's because I exercise so much and you don't? No, I don't mean that as a dig. I've realized that that

is how that came across. But apparently like the more you exercise, the more it metabolizes. Yeah. And mine lasts for months longer than what it's supposed to. So my suck is I had a really bad migraine, like vomiting level. I went to bed at 5pm in Bali and I got out of bed at midday the next day. So it was, there was a rough couple of days and my suite would be that I finally locked in my venue. I haven't paid the deposit. So I feel a bit anxious. I think I've got to pay it today. Pay it now so that you don't lose it. I am. I'm waiting. I got a wedding planner guys. So she's doing it. I'm going through, I haven't said this yet. I'm going through Easy Weddings who is a great big company here. So I'm waiting for her to like

doubly lock it down. Yeah. I just want to lock it down, but I've essentially picked it. so I'm one step closer so now I have a makeup artist in a venue and that's it I'm very excited okay well my my suck for the week is it's very minor but it's been a little bit challenging for me I feel like Matt will be annoyed about me saying this I have been you shouldn't say I've been struggling a little bit with Marley at the moment she is five and she is having some very very big emotions but they're all directed at me they're not directed at him which I think it's okay because Lola is usually like Lola's all over me loves me can't stand Matt but it's very it can't stand him literally the other day I had Lola in the bath and she said mommy I hate boys

I hate them I hate daddy I hate boys I only love mommy I only and I was like what about Molly and she goes no only love mommy and I was like you're like well played I'll take it that's all I needed thank you for really filling my cup back up she's just very she's got what's called parental preferences it's like a thing that some toddlers go through apparently they grow out of it by the time they're like four or five I think it's standard but she's like very mummy orientated whereas Marley has never really ever been mummy orientated she's always like been a bit of a daddy's girl which is so fine but she's going through this thing at the moment where she's got really full-on emotions about everything whatever the activity is she has to finish it it has to be

her way she has to win win whatever game it is like it's all her and like even to the point where she'll like if I give them both a toy but they're slightly different color even if I give her the one I know that she would like more she wants she wants the other one because out of like having some sort of control or ownership of it but can you let her pick it and then say you chose that yeah but then that the trouble is is then like Lola always gets deprioritized and then I'm just reinforcing that she always gets her way and that's why Lola hates everyone yeah and that's why Lola only likes mommy and we figured it out but yeah I'm I'm struggling with her a lot at the moment and I'm finding because I'm struggling with her big feelings it's not so much her big

feelings it's my lack of patience I wake up already like oh like you're not wanting to face the day a bit yeah and and you know it's not fair because I've just done four days away I've been on a beautiful holiday in Noosa and then as soon as I got home I was like oh we're doing this again you know like the eye rolls at me the oh they're still here like she's just got a lot of attitude towards me and I'm struggling with that but did you grow up I mean I remember my childhood growing up my mum was the best and it didn't stop me from just like hating on her for so long and I I think it's a pretty common girl thing with their mums like I think girls are mainly and maybe Lola will switch no sorry Laura but like she said to me last night I was putting her to bed and I was

like honey I missed you so much I missed you and she goes I'm pretty brave mum just I didn't really miss you and I don't even I got her a toy I got her a moment she goes and I don't even like this toy i would have liked something else and i was like wow that's going to the salvos yeah so i she's got like really bad attitude and i was like okay well i still missed you sweetie and she's like well i didn't miss you oh good night dagger to the heart what's wrong with you it's a phase of course she's obsessed with you and loves you and of course maybe it's not maybe she's gonna turn into a mean girl she's a sociopath nah i'm joking not that bad anyway and my sweet for the week is that i got to miss my children because i went away for a girls weekend honestly

I cannot recommend enough go and have a girls weekend it's the best even just a staycation it was so so nice and we've kind of had this when we were away we had this big chat we were like we need to do this every year because it gets so hard as you get older to maintain the intensity of your friendships and you know we were a group of there was about six of us and we used to be in a text message group every single day we were so entrenched in each other's lives and I think my sweet really was we had this one day we're sitting on the beach and I'd kind of just told them all about the stuff that was going on in my life recently, which you guys are all across.

And then Steph was talking about some big stuff that was happening in her life and we just kind of had this big debrief as to where we were at and we hadn't done that in so long. And, yeah, I highly, highly recommend it. Put some energy and effort into your friendships if you haven't been doing that. Cute. Because it was very wholesome.

It was very wholesome. It was very fulfilling. Filled my cup right back up to the brim and then my daughter poured it out onto the ground. It's a vicious cycle. Isn't it, Jess? Anyway, guys, that is it from us, everyone. If you loved the episode, go leave a review.

You can also watch it on YouTube where we do it on the TVs. Laura pushing our YouTube is the funniest thing. If you guys go onto the interwebs, there's the YouTube, and then if you put in the Life Uncut, you'll find it. It's actually great. It's so good. If you haven't watched our YouTube channel yet, even though this is very biased, I think it's fucking epic.

Go and watch us on YouTube. It is. We have a great little team here that put the videos together. Keish and Jono do an epic job and the YouTube is fire. Like I low-key love watching it, which is weird because it's us. Because I don't like to listen to myself. But I'll watch myself instead. She's like a parrot in the mirror.

No, but it's different. It's different. Like it's different to watch the episode than it is to listen to it. It just gives you a different vibe. I have a favorite time actually. It's whenever I'm making dinner. I don't know why that is my YouTube time. Like usually I would have a podcast on, but I'll put on a YouTube of a podcast.

Specifically when I'm making dinner. I don't know why. It's kind of strange, but I really enjoy that. So yeah, if you haven't listened to the episode of that day, we're getting them up on the day of. You can just, you know, before you start choppy chopping for the chicken, you can put YouTube on when you're making dinner. I'm never letting either of you pitch this YouTube again.

They were both terrible. Choppy choppy chicken and watch YouTube. Just sign up. Life Uncut. Anyway, guys, that is it from us. And you know the drill. Tell your mum, tell your dad, tell your dog, tell your friends and share the love because we love love.