Life Uncut - How The 'Law Of Detachment' Led Maddy Macrae To Being A Viral Content Creator!

Episode Date: December 4, 2025

Today we’re sitting down with someone who went from aspiring acting and hospo shifts to viral content creator and comedy queen. Maddy MacRae is someone whose face and skits are likely familiar to you. She’s grown a following of 3 million people collectively across social media. Today we wanted to talk to Maddy about how she carved out her own path in acting, what some of the realities of content creation are like and the ever evolving goal posts of content that had her living in an airport for a week! We chat: How Maddy got the career she has and the commercials that led her there What her first viral video wants The law of detachment and how it impacted Maddy’s life The one reality TV show Maddy would love to do Content fatigue and being in a period of burnout The contrast of having an amazing job but the loneliness and isolation that comes from it The current dating scene The post that Maddy really regrets You can follow Maddy on Instagram  And on tiktok    You can watch us on Youtube Find us on Instagram Join us on tiktok Or join the Facebook Discussion Group Hosted by Britt Hockley & Keeshia Pettit  Produced by Keeshia Pettit Video Produced by Vanessa Beckford Recorded on Cammeraygal Land Tell your mum, tell your dad, tell your dog, tell your friend and share the love because WE LOVE LOVE! XxSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This episode was recorded on Camaragal land. Hi guys and welcome back to another episode of Life Uncut. I'm Brittany and I'm Keisha and today we have a very special guest in studio, in person. I could reach out and almost touch her but I won't because I've had a bit of gastro lately so that could be awkward. How to put our guests off as much as possible it's on brand for me really yeah someone you guys if you don't know you would have seen her face maddie mccray maddie mccray has over three million followers across social media she was an aspiring actress and i did ask her if i could use the term aspiring before i said it um but she has been in home and away before so we can say actress that has turned

into a viral content creator and i have followed along your dating videos for a very long time and I feel like I saw you at the very beginning. I feel like you popped up on my feed many, many years ago when you weren't that big. And I was like, that chick's fucking funny. And then all of a sudden you blew up. But welcome to the podcast, Maddie. Thank you. Thanks for having me.

I love how you say it like it's on brand because I immediately think of what the stomach does in videos and all the skits that you made. I haven't done a gastro video, actually. That's good. I'll write that down. Write that down. Credit. Thank you.

I will. Maddie, we start every episode by asking our guests for their most embarrassing story. We call it an accidentally unfiltered. Do you have one? Yeah, I have two that you can pick from. Okay, love this. One is like, well, because I figured that I just want to like share something embarrassing. So we like break the ice, right?

So I have a queef story and I have like a sex slash piss story. Can we have both? I love a queef story. I queefed, I did Dancing With The Stars this year. Yes, you did. And I spoke about it on the podcast, but like my poor dance partner was doing this move where my groin was in his face and I accidentally queefed in his face. Yes.

So this, okay, let me share this story because it's similar. It's not really a story. It's just kind of a fact about me that I can't do Pilates or yoga because I will queef every time. I don't know what it is. Is it really loud? Tight pelvic floor? Yeah.

Is it tight or is it loose? Because that air is falling out of me. You know what I mean? I don't know if we're allowed to comment on that, but you tell us. I don't know. Yeah, so it was just a fact about me is that I can't do yoga or Pilates because whenever I do like down dog, you know three-legged dog?

Yeah. This might happen to you when you were dancing. So you're in down dog, you lift your leg and then you go into like a warrior two pose and it's meant to be serene and zen. Everyone's having a nice time doing yoga and I will just break the silence with a nice queen. But it's to be expected, right, as women. Well, I think so.

I'm embarrassed so I don't do yoga or Pilates. I was about to ask you because a lot of like brand things, especially if they're local, a lot of them will be like, you know, Whether a health something or other, they'll put a Pilates or a yoga class in there to go alongside their brand. I never go. I never go. He's like, I'm busy.

I think it's something you can train yourself to do, you know. Like I think because when you think about it, queefing is like, well, you're sucking the air in. So I think when you're doing your three-leggers, you've got to be like bearing down and like push it out. Yeah. I feel like it would be one of those things, the more effort you put into it, the more thought you give it,

the harder it will be to avoid. Yeah, and then I'll just be more embarrassed. You'd just be manifesting the queef by accident. Okay, so we'll just never exercise again. So when it comes to, like, influencer events, I avoid boat parties because you can't leave and Pilates. Dude, I – boat parties, same thing. If they invite me to a boat party, sorry, it's a no.

That was just like that Spider-Man thing, you know, where all the Spider-Mans are pointing at each other. That was all of us. Yes. Partly. Because the boat party – if anything that you can't get out of, it's like I'm not doing it. I like an Irish goodbye, you know.

Or sometimes I've asked if there are water taxis that can take me I think that's not the question to ask the brand. No. Hypothetically, if I wanted to get off the boat. Yeah. I mean, it's a fun experience, but like when you don't know anyone, when you don't know what the vibe is, if you can't leave, I don't want to be there.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so what's your sex one? Oh, yeah. So my piss story. One time I peed during sex. This is so embarrassing. Many years ago. I met up with a guy during COVID.

We're not meant to, but I did. And this was kind of like me freshly single, you know, trying to be in my messy girl single era. and he messed. Freshly single at the start of COVID is rough, man. Yeah, we broke up in 2020. It was rough. Yeah, and so like I couldn't date, I couldn't, you know,

and I'd been in relationships for like two back-to-back four-year relationships. So I'd been like locked in for eight years. So I was like, oh, I've got to get, you know, I've got to get out there. I've got to fuck some people. So I met up with this guy that I'd met on a McDonald's commercial. I met him on a commercial actually, an acting job.

Why did you point at me like I meet my people at McDonald's? You were like, you know, Britt, you love a Big Mac. No, because we were talking about acting work and I was like, hey yeah i got acting work and i met a guy and i'm back yeah and i pissed in his van anyway so he messages me a pin to meet up with him and i um i put the location in my maps and i drove off to to meet him and it turned out to be his van parked at a beach with like the backs back of it like opened up to the the ocean which i think he intended it to be romantic but it's too public No, not even that.

I just feel like that's when you're like 17, 18. Like, I don't know. You hit 30. You don't really want to be crocking up to some guy's van. I want you to have a rental. And a bed sheet. Exactly. But, you know, I was like, I wasn't going to judge him because it was COVID.

So maybe, you know, living situations. Gotcha. Because he lives. I don't know. He was living in his van. So we sat there for a little bit and it was a bit awkward. And he pulled out a guitar and sang at me for, I want to say like an hour and a half, two hours. Dude, I feel like that's the embarrassing moment.

It's not pissing, but it's like how does someone do that for an hour to two hours? By one hour in, he's asking me for requests and he's like pulling up the cord. Did he put his hat around for money? Maybe. Could have. But see, I'm freshly single. I was like scared to make the move.

So I was waiting for him to make the move and I'm sitting there being like, put the fucking guitar down, please. Let's get into the Bucky event. Eventually we do, but mind you, we're at a van. There's no bathroom. We've been there. For an hour and a half, two hours. Oh, my God.

Having a bit. You've been trying to hold the queef in for the whole time. Yeah, exactly. No down dog in the back of the man, please. But, you know, eventually we start getting busy in the back of his man and he grabs me and you just wee. I wee. And I had to play it off that I was just really into him.

Did you say you squirted? Yeah. I did. And he was like, wow, that guitar really works. Oh, no. You're like, that's all you, baby. He got the worst confirmation for something that he should not have been doing. Yes, he was like, this is the best.

He's like, I should serenade all my ladies like this. And he's still single, living in his van. Have you seen the Barbie movie that's seen with Ken? That's it. That's what happened to me. And then I pissed in his van at the beach. His job was beach. And I never saw him again.

I never saw him again. So did that Macca's commercial launch your career? Yeah, totally. Yeah. I'm such a busy, booked actor. Well, you are. I mean, you are everywhere at the moment, I feel like. you're doing absolute wonders online what was life like before that like did you always want to be

an actor and entertainer like who were you before you sort of met the world the world yeah and they met me and my poo dress um because yeah that's what I do like I said gastro is on brand no I was trying to be an actor like you said aspiring actor was the correct term I went to drama school I did all those things tried to be in commercials I was in a Maccas commercial I was an Amy lady once you all the insurance yeah with the headset yeah I didn't sing it you could thank you the guy from the van could he could yeah so I did a couple of commercials before COVID but I was working in retail but it didn't really happen I didn't really get representation I was really difficult for me to try and get work and it's actually why I dyed my hair red because I'm actually naturally blonde

and then it's kind of become my thing my yeah my signature look right to be a redhead but because I thought I would walk into casting rooms and everyone would just be blonde I think Australian I don't know so I dyed my hair red hoping that would help me get more work and I just didn't it does make you stand out though yes it has become my best accessory and I and I love it and I've kept it now not for the acting sense but because I think it really suits me but yeah what the acting work never came and then COVID happened and into lockdown I had a relationship breakup so I was alone a lot at home like we all were and I was bored and I was scrolling on TikTok so I thought I would make one just for fun.

I didn't know it could be a job. And then, yeah, six months later I'd quit my retail job and I've been doing it full-time ever since, which is kind of crazy. And then, yeah, I have had a really big year where all of this kind of acting adjacent jobs have come up, which has been great. Well, it's more likely for it to come up when you have 3 million followers as it is when you're in a Mac as commercial. But do you remember what your first skit was?

Yeah. well my first like super viral skit yeah which is my stomach videos I still make them it was fantastic yeah that was like playing a single slice of bread in the stomach before a big night of drinking I think that's the one I remember yeah yeah it had like 20 I think 20 something yeah you know like every for those point at home only because I'm an aspiring actor as well but every like production company director everyone says right like hey you want to be an actor go create it for yourself I love that you were like I'll show them I'll be a slice of bread you could make your dream roll and you're like I'm gonna fucking be a slice of bread yeah

that's depth you know yeah character the thing that I love so much about your videos and I've actually wondered about this from the perspective of someone who knows slightly more about the editing world you play every character in all of your skits and genuinely there have been times where I've looked at your videos and I'm like how does she do that does she have a green screen like how does she make this all work and I was wondering whether you would divulge the secrets the BTS of actually how you do create your content yeah like as in the multiple of me in one shot yeah like does it take you seven hours to film you think it would but it actually doesn't it doesn't take that long I use CapCut I don't even use a green screen yeah I use CapCut yeah I'm just not sponsored

by CapCut there's a masking and a background removal tool in CapCut okay yeah have you ever tried background removal no well if you ever did like a green screen style video where you wanted like a photo behind you there's a tool in CapCut where you can just remove a background that's all I do I just like set up a tripod and film two versions of me side by side and just take it out yeah just remove the background of one of them and then there's two of me we've been to the moon before but here we are like blown away I mean did we go to the moon not if you're asking Kim Kardashian oh I find that really interesting and so how do you actually think about all of the skits that you do you know do you kind of write them out for yourself or do you just do improv do they kind

of happen as you're going I do script it yeah just because I'd like to have the correct reaction of the other characters but all of my ideas I just write them down and I do a lot of personification so whenever there's a scenario in my life or something that sparked an idea I'm like how can I do that I recently had an idea about Mercury in Retrograde so I'm like how could could I play Mercury who's like going into a box that's retrograde like I'm just like trying to figure out how I can personify it and make it funny and like show the expressions of these inanimate objects like a slice of bread. What was it like when you were transitioning from like a regular job, a stable income, knowing that like at the end of the week you've done this many hours,

this is how much money you're going to get to going out on your own? Because I think a lot of people don't, well, they do now, but at the time content creation seemed unfathomable that you could make a living off it. You could get an income, but you still don't know what you were going to get you don't know how it was going to go and you don't know when it was going to end what was that like transition period like for you did you find it easy it was scary I did have to take a leap of faith but I did actually wait to quit my job until I was making the same amount from socials it's just there's a shift in like inconsistent income you just have to be good with money which I'm grateful for my parents for teaching me how to save and not splurge so I did

I was it was fine for me but I um had saved some annual leave with my retail job so I actually took all of my annual leave to kind of do the job, see if I loved it, see if I could survive. And I've been very lucky that I've never had to like be too concerned about the next payment. And I've tried to have like good savings. You have to be savvy. I also think you have to be the type of person who's comfortable with the lack of stability. Yes. You know, like, and that's kind of a, whether you're A or a B, I think that when you work in the world that we do, opportunities can come and they can be great but also it can get dry and you know it kind of comes and goes in waves and sometimes I think if you were the type of person who likes to have that salary that

you know comes in every week and you can rely on that amount of money being put into your bank account it can be really terrifying and you probably would be too stressed to actually create good content but I know that that was a massive consideration for you going from working like a full salary job to actually taking a bit of this leap of oh I didn't yeah I did it for far too long I was a an emergency radiographer so I was working yeah I was working in a hospital when I started this podcast actually I think I remember that yeah yeah yeah probably would have heard I save lives and stuff yeah um I remember I did I stayed far too long in that hospital because I was petrified of not having money or not knowing if it was going to come or

being taken away yeah because I lived here in Sydney on my own I didn't have family here if I couldn't pay my rent yeah that's on me you were living in a van yeah I was fucking with serenade guy but no one was gonna sweep in and I think I probably stayed at that hospital two years too long yeah until I was like you know what I physically you have to you have to sometimes just make the hard decisions and jump straight in and look you can't live your life this way but I think that sometimes when you leave space the work comes to you there's like you know I love the law of detachment all of that stuff which I feel like is happening to me in my acting world but I think that the moment that you take that leap of faith and allow space for work to come to you

in a creative sense it does come to you there's a book about it manifesting the secret what's the law of detachment I want to hear this law of detachment is when you stop wanting something so hard it comes to you okay you know that saying when you're single you would have got this a lot when you were single is like the moment you stop looking but it was so true and it's like well I'm I'm lonely so I'm looking even with my eyes closed I'm looking but they always say that like the moment you stop looking it it follows you so same in like career senses as well I was really for the last two probably for the first two years of me doing full-time content I was still really trying to do acting and I was saying no to a lot of opportunities because I wanted to be taken

seriously as an actor I was always told in drama school that you shouldn't do reality tv if you want to be an actor and I said no to a lot of opportunities for that for that reason that's also changed now it used to be like that I believe you and I agree with you yes believe me I believe you sorry I mean I agree with you so I said no to a lot and then what did you say no to what reality options I was asked to go on the amazing race yeah and then I did have I did have a dating show reach out to me which I said no to I'd love to see you on those I would love to I would love to do The Bachelorette if it came back but it's it's gone now right you don't have to whisper it put it out there I want to be on The Bachelorette I want to be The Bachelorette I think it'll come back

I want it to I would love to go on that show I think it would be really fun okay there you go but um that I was with an acting agent and then I decided you know what I actually hate this I hate auditioning I hated setting up my camera to film a self-tape I was like I'm actually not having fun anymore with the rejection so I left my acting agent and I went you know what I'm just gonna lean into socials and just say yes to everything and then that was uh late last year and then this year like I've had so many acting opportunities come to me because this is law of detachment the moment you stop like knocking at the door the door opens interesting yeah it's um I don't want to say oh maybe it is maybe you can liken it to dating you know when you

women particularly meet a guy and they're not into you you want them more it's like it's when there's that no fucks given attitude you're playing hard to get with your career but i also think yeah but i also think it's like because you're focusing on things that then make you happy and you're putting really good positive energy into what you're doing and then the rest of the world notices yeah and i think also like you care less on how it how it comes to you like maybe I was hoping for you know a three-year part on Home and Away and that's all I wanted right it's not but let's say it was but then once you'd like kind of let go of that one specific dream these other things come to you that are slightly different and you're like oh that fulfills me in

a way that I never thought it could so funny you say that because I feel like that's where I'm at now and I don't talk about it a lot on here but I'm auditioning all the time I always have you know we've done some tapes together oh cute I like reading lines Kish reads for me because I you know that's what I wanted to do I went to the acting school in my 20s yeah but I think we have the same I mean you know my agent yeah we don't have the same agent but you know my agent and I had the same thing the other day I used to be like I will audition for anything get it to me yeah and then the other day she had an in somewhere with something and she messaged it to me and she was like you know I know the people there and redo this reading and I looked at it and I was like I

don't want it yeah I don't want it I don't want it enough anymore just to say yes to everything because I and she's like what you were so keen and I said yeah but I don't the role the person the messaging the script I was like I'm gonna say no and I feel like maybe I'm just at the beginning of what you said you've been in yeah yeah I've just been like fuck it and then I just like I care less which means like if the opportunities don't come to me I'm like that's okay I'm gonna survive like I love my job now it fulfills me creatively and then when they do come to me which a couple of them have this year yay that's really exciting so you got some stuff coming acting this year yeah so I did I recorded an audiobooks earlier this year so that's already

come out with Ryan Corr and I've had such a crush on him when I was growing up also the ad you did about erotica like audiobooks was so good it's so funny so I've been working with audible a lot and doing like audiobooks and I have a couple more kind of coming out that I've just recently recorded with them so voice acting is and I never really thought that I'd be voice acting and here we are on a podcast can I say something very controversial I am such an audiobook girl you know the a court of thorns and roses that everyone became obsessed with i tried to do that in audiobook i couldn't do it did you do graphic audiobook though i don't know i just listened on spotify did it have sound effects we're saying a lot of brands

none of this is sponsored guys okay it had sound effects of the animals dying and stuff and i was like absolutely not and then when they have sex scenes you get all the kissing sounds and the moaning. Did not even get that far. I was just, I was out on a walk and I was like, this is not for me. No, that needs to be visual. That kind of stuff needs to be visual. That's a graphic audio book. You can get it where they just read the words. I might need to dive deeper. You did pay extra. Do you get content fatigue having to constantly come up with ideas? And do you feel on that, I guess, do you feel the pressure to be like, oh, everyone expects me to be producing this really good, funny stuff.

Yep, all the time. I'm currently in a period of burnout that I'm trying to just come out of. I feel like I'm on a hamster wheel. Yeah. Because I feel like I love my job. It's amazing. I can't get promoted. This is it, you know.

What I'm doing is my job and it's fulfilling me now, but I'm like is this going to fulfill me forever? Or will it last forever? Will it last forever? I also have like these unrelenting standards for myself where I'm like if it doesn't hit a certain number, like the numbers is really hard because I need to stop looking at them. But you mean as in views, likes, engagement, shares, everything.

It's just kind of like if I don't hit that, that I'm like, well, it's over. And then I'm like, OK, well, what's my next my next viral hit? And I feel like I can't take a break because I'm like, if I stop posting consistently, I'm going to lose it and I need to let go of that. But I definitely feel like I'm on this content hamster wheel. And I do have plenty of ideas, but my motivation and my love for it at the moment is low. I feel like we're all slaves to the algorithm. And it's especially hard because they change the algorithm.

them they don't tell you how you're always trying to figure out what ways you can try and make it work to your advantage and what ways you know worked last time and if you do that again sometimes it just doesn't work for reasons that you literally can't figure out how long do those periods of content burnout kind of last for you I mean I actually saw you post some of this I think you were recently on a trip to Paris yeah and it was very lux and very very nice and then And you had some content come out on your stories a couple of days later, just kind of, it was a really nice, refreshing thing to kind of see where it was, you know, I know that my life looks a certain way, but just so you know, there's also this other side

to it and it can be quite, I don't want to say debilitating. It can be quite flattening though. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you're on all the time. And then I, yeah. So this trip that you're talking about, I went to Paris for a couple of brand trips and I was there for three weeks and I did share the highlights, obviously I'm there

with a brand and I want to share the fun things that I was up to but I was actually struggling a lot mentally and I was like crying almost every day so I shared it like a photo of me after the event like I shared like a side by side which is the one you saw which was me at the event in this glitzy beautiful dress on a media wall having the greatest time ever and then I shared the photo of me back in the hotel like bawling because I'm just so overwhelmed what is making you feel like that do you can you pinpoint it yeah I did figure it out on this trip because I went alone for three weeks because you don't often get to take a plus one with you and I had some time in between two of the jobs I was doing I had nine days by myself and I just felt really lonely and I'm realizing

that this job is really isolating especially me I play everyone right I don't need to leave my house you got cap cut I got cap cut I can play everyone right I don't play the bread you play the boys I do I do yeah the gastro I play them all and so I'm finding it really isolating and then I'm getting these beautiful, wonderful, amazing opportunities to travel. And then they're just like, well, you do everything alone, so you can go alone. And I just was like, I was just really lonely. And I, you know, I went through a breakup again earlier this year and I was just like, I am sick of doing this by myself. And so since I've gotten back, I've had to really invest in the time that I'm not making content, seeing friends, seeing people that are important to me,

because it's, yeah, I'm on this content hamster wheel and I'm just, yeah, I'm feeling really lonely. And sometimes they're the moments that actually highlight the fact, I don't want to say the fact that you're alone, but it's the, I used to feel the same thing. You're in Paris, you're in Europe and you're like, cool, this would be lovely to experience with someone and create a memory with someone. And it doesn't mean you're not grateful, but it's, you're obviously a very independent person. You don't need it, but that doesn't mean that you're exempt from having those feelings right yeah I think you're also sometimes until you're actually in the isolated environment you don't realize how much of a sense of community you get from your day-to-day experiences like

just going into a workplace and having other people there you have those five-minute conversations you have people that you check in with like when you start working for yourself and I went through a period of this too because I technically still do work for myself and now I get to work with some of my best friends and if we have periods where we'll have two weeks away from the studio sometimes it will be three days before I've seen another person like it can be really a strange feeling when you don't have that kind of non-forced contact with people as well and I think that it's particularly hard when you work in a creative space and you're expected to keep on having these ideas and different things come to your head and you're like I have nothing interesting

nothing as interesting as happened I have nothing to kind of bounce off of there's no muses going on you know yeah what do I draw from what's relatable about my life when I just don't leave my house How have you found dating since your profile has grown so much? Have you found it, I mean, you're exposed to more people, so more people know who you are, have accessibility to you in a way, but I also wonder if it's made it a bit more isolating because people think that all of a sudden you're so big that maybe you're unattainable.

Yeah. Did you feel this as well? Did you find that when you were dating? Oh, I was pretty desperate. That's really true. See, the thing I used to worry about with Brit is that a certain type of person might actually be attracted to you because they think that they can get something from you as well, as in they would use you

to leverage their own platform. I've heard that, yeah. I actually, I never felt that. I actually felt the opposite. I felt like the less people wanted to date me, the more that my profile grew. Yeah, you became unapproachable, unattainable because you were famous. Well, they didn't realise that all they would have had to have done is look twice at me and I would have been like, I'm yours.

They didn't, you know, because I was, I really, I didn't care who somebody was. I just wanted to meet somebody that I felt was a match and felt right and have that connection because I was on my own for 10 years I was I was quite lonely yeah but the number of people that would say the opposite they're like oh I just wouldn't have messaged you because yeah I feel like that does happen a little bit yeah I haven't found it like that difficult but I I mean recently I've had a guy send me a screenshot of a message this is so I dated I went on a date with a guy two weeks ago and the message he sent me to end things

with me by the way the little rejection message didn't send it didn't send to me and I was like um can you send me the screenshot of the message and he sent me the screenshot and he had saved me in his phone as insta famous that was my oh no not even your name oh and i mean look he was rejecting me anyway so i was like well whatever no loss but i was like oh oh oh that's a blessing in disguise it is but also i was like really even the fact he thought it was okay to then screenshot that and not even change your name before his screenshot you know what's crazy is his job he's a therapist shut up that's fuck shut up this is like uh what's that nobody wants this yeah season two so inappropriate boundaries crossed yes i was like oh my god on them now hang on wasn't

your therapist no no no no he came back a week later and asked me to take me out for dinner and i was like bye so hang on he dumped you yes didn't call you by your name screenshot insta famous then came back yeah yeah had you slept with him no okay no we'd had one date it was you know it doesn't matter yeah but I have found it like hard I guess because I'll either have someone who doesn't have I dated a guy earlier this year who didn't have social media but he which I don't mind it is a green flag but then he actually had no interest in what I did yeah okay and I was like well okay this is my whole life I don't need you to be online but I was like do you want one day I was like do you want to watch the videos that I made today and he was like oh yeah oh wow you don't

want it to be someone's whole life but they need to be interested and they need to understand you should be obsessed with me enough that you want to watch what I made I'm funny right no can I ask there was some content that you made it'd have to be probably a year ago now maybe even longer I think it was when you were over in Rome yeah in Paris and there was so much great content coming out about the Italian guy. Do you know what? He messaged me this morning. Please tell anyone who missed the story and how it unfolded. Can you please share that story? So last year I did a dating vlog series on my TikTok called Dating 2024 The Plot, which was me just saying yes to dates and I would document me getting ready and then I would do like a little debrief after. And it was

like my first time actually sharing more about my life online rather than just a skit. I went to at Rome with Netflix for the Emily in Paris part two or the most recent season premiere oh must be nice and I um I got asked out on the streets of Rome by this guy and I am my initial response was to say no I don't know you know I want to date someone but somebody asked me out in public I was like that's Italians for you though they're very forward yeah and it was he he asked me out and I went out for coffee with him and I did end up going on two dates with him and it was like the most romantic experience of my life we weren't right for each other which I do still get messages from people being like go back to Italy we weren't the right fit he was a lot younger than me but he

was very very romantic and I think it's the European Italian in him and he would like deliver flowers to my hotel and it was just yeah it was really cute he left me a note so why wasn't he right for you you know how I hope he doesn't listen to this you know how you were just saying about the people that want to maybe benefit off the fame okay he was a singer and he was like keen to interesting yeah so like collab yeah and he really he saw all the content he really loved it maybe loved it a little bit too much okay and i was like i feel like you'd just be with me for the clout maybe i don't know i feel like also netflix would have just they couldn't have asked for better content yeah because that literally was the story of that season and a lot of people

accuse me of lying but I was like no it was real yeah like his hashtag ad right I mean I was there to promote the show it did a good job it was like my Lizzie McGuire moment and he like wrote me a note at the end it was very sweet because his English wasn't great but he said that I was sparkling like coca-cola and I loved that sure okay what about like a rosé or like that's a potential new brand partnership there I'm sparkling like coca-cola okay so he's messaged you this morning do you want to share that or not yeah i mean all it is is that he's seen a billboard and he's like i thought this was you he's like hey hope you're well i thought this was you oh that's nice yeah that could go either way depending on what the billboard is yeah is it like some like

laxative this is the image he saw he thinks that i'm the girl in the pink i see it oh it's a redhead i think it's only the hair yeah i can i get it but i think he's clutching i think he wants to contact that goes back to the whole signature look like Yeah, the red hat you lent him to Rhett. Oh, yeah, okay. I'm trying to see it. Yeah, I think he's making excuses to talk. Maddie, about this profile kind of situation,

you recently bought your first apartment. I did. And I remember you sharing a video kind of showing everybody, you know, saying, like, I'm so excited. I'm excited to do this painting and to do this and that. And I think it was a day or two later I saw some content from you that I really felt very, very sorry for you. And I was like, that must be an experience that was so scary

for someone to go through as a woman who is living by herself. Essentially, people had said that you'd shared this video and that there were features of the apartment that they could identify and some people, like, used it to find out where you lived. Yeah. How did you feel at that time? And I guess, like, did you have regret about sharing this milestone? Absolutely.

Yeah. I shared a house tour. Yeah, I was very excited. And I shared it at nighttime. I normally post at night and then go to bed and just let it do its thing. And I woke up the next morning with, I think I had like half a million views and just everyone in the comments saying, delete this, delete this video. I found your address.

It's also so much worse when you've been asleep for like 10 hours. Like what damage has been done in that time? Yeah. Mostly I feel like it was just women. My audience is 90% women. So I think it was mostly just people being like, hey, girly, just so you know, I found your address. Someone else could.

how well look I felt really embarrassed because my apartment has some pretty unique features it has like these high ceilings with beams it has like these french windows so it's not like your stock stand it's beautiful I love it so much and I was so excited to share it but you shouldn't be embarrassed because the reason you don't think about things like that is because you would never have the brain of someone who would do it no and so yeah I think it was like pretty and because it was an empty apartment there was no furniture in it you could take a screenshot and you could just google reverse image search and find the address and then i'm still actually struggling with having the listing taken down they just want to take it down i don't know why so i'm still actually

trying to get the listing you actually can't i've been trying to do the same thing they just don't care they don't care enough daily mail's published brit and laura's addresses are you kidding yeah they publish it what yep yeah and i think domain did for laura she's got children oh my god the actual invasion of privacy especially for women especially like you guys who live alone live alone And it makes me so angry that they don't think it's a real thing that women should be scared about. I haven't spoken about this yet, but fuck it. Here's the time.

But I bought a house with my husband. I actually thought about this when you posted. Yeah, please continue. But I thought of me when you posted this. It's a very unique house that you can tell the same thing. The second there's a picture of it, you know where it is. It was very easy to find. I never was going to share that.

I was going to move into that house. And everyone knows I live alone, right? Because my husband lives in another country. Yeah. Everyone knows that. I've never released where I live. And so I bought that and I had that for a couple of months. Didn't say a word about it. Didn't tell anyone. Didn't post it. Never was going to. And then I started getting messages because a lot of people are asking me, why aren't you living there? I started getting messages from randoms saying, just letting you know your real estate's calling around, telling people your full name, your full address what you bought it for just cold calling these are people and it was real because I would say can you tell me like I tested them can you tell me the real estate that did it and can you

tell me my exact address or are they just giving a suburb and she's like no your exact street number house number everything this is the phone number they called from like oh my god yeah so they were just someone in Italy messaged me saying hey this is weird but your real estate's calling people and giving them your address and so even though it was they were doing it i was like i can't move into my house now i've got i get death threats all the time i have psycho stalkers so scary and they still wouldn't take it down oh my god still won't take listen down tried to get aggressive and gaslight me and i was like you motherfuckers have just ruined this for me so you're not gonna live there now well so no no no i'm not gonna move there now and so i shared

that's when i started to share the house because i was like well cool i've got to rent it out i've got to rent it now i was like i've got to make some money because i've just bought it and now I can't move into it I was so angry yeah so angry they probably just thought it was like a big flex that they helped you buy it right because like that's advertising them as a real estate agent yeah but I'm like do you know what that does is the juice really worth the squeeze to you that you would put Brits safety at risk that's why I don't want you to feel embarrassed for it because even if you hadn't have done a video even someone could have people can still find those things out and it's not for you to be embarrassed yeah I just felt silly because I'd never shared

anything like that and I was like I could have avoided that if I just hadn't because I don't normally share that much about my life and so then the moment that I do that happens and I was like oh so I was just really embarrassed and then I'm like fuck I have to renovate the whole place so that people can't identify it I have to film my videos in a very like narrow lens so that people can't identify features of it like or just put a background up maybe yeah gotta get that green screen out apparently maybe I'm gonna start green screening a different house maybe it's hard that So do you feel unsafe there or do you feel okay? Do you feel like you got it down in time?

I think it's fine. I think most of the people were just women trying to look out for me, which I love. Nothing's happened and I've been there six months now, so I don't feel unsafe there at all. And I've lived alone for like three, four years now, so I've been fine. I feel like I'm irrelevant enough that people wouldn't want to find me because my comedy stuff is just like, yeah, ha-ha, lo-lo, follow, like.

But you just need that one weirdo. Yeah. not to scare you but I'm like people don't realize it's just that one I know it just takes one person yeah it is scary and I know that it's not my forever home it's just my you know it's my first apartment now so if it ever became an issue it's okay do you feel like the bar is being raised constantly with what you've got to doing this attention economy and I mean that by like you spending a week in an airport you're like constantly trying you're constantly trying to raise the bar. Do you feel that pressure and how did you end up in an airport?

Yeah, that was a weird one, wasn't it? I was approached by Changi Airport to do that. So it wasn't a, I feel like, yes, there is pressure in the attention economy to always be coming up with new ideas, new ways to go viral. So I definitely feel that pressure. Changi had approached me to live there for a week as a brand partnership, which was kind of the craziest job ever. And really cool. Have you been to Changi Airport? I've never been. I feel like I lived there with yes it was I feel like I have been it was a very intense job I know I was going live a lot and they were pushing it out a lot because I think they were really trying to push it but it was kind of like this concept about the terminal if you've seen the movie with Tom Hanks which I do

love the film and they just wanted me living there and kind of sharing my experience which I didn't feel like I was really living in an airport because there's a hotel there there were like rooftop pools and bars and restaurants it's just a resort it actually is Singaporeans actually travel to Changi just to go there like the percentage of travelers to non-travelers is actually really weird you think that everyone's traveling somewhere no they just go there it's like a mall it's like a cool place to hang out yeah you just go to the airport do you feel weird because as soon as you enter an airport I feel like all the rules go yeah by the wayside you can do whatever they want you can be wearing whatever you want totally can be drinking you

can be eating dinner food at breakfast no one no one's there to judge there's like an unspoken rule that we're not judging each other is that how you felt for a whole week yeah kind of it did but I also I was working a lot like I was making a lot of content so I did really feel like I was there for a job and like promoting the content which you've all seen because it was everywhere it was everywhere yeah yeah but it was fun I liked it what do you think people would be surprised to know about you that's a hard question isn't it but you know content creators share a lot and you know I think about how much we share I would be hard-pressed to come up with something that I haven't told the world yeah I think I've shared already a little bit just that I'm lonely at the

moment I'm just going through a real tough time doing this job it's very isolating I would classify myself as an introvert though I think that's surprising you'd think online that I'd be extroverted I do recharge being alone but now I've just had too much of it I think a lot of people are like that a lot of people actors performers people that come across to the naked eye as extroverts are introverts those are the people that need to then go home and like recharge on their own yeah I mean it was interesting that you said when you saw the post about the burnout I had so many creators reach out to me I feel like we all feel like we have to pretend that everything's amazing it's because you're so lucky to do the job that you do so you can't be ungrateful you

can't feel like you're ever going through something hard because there's always someone going through something worse which is true yes but that doesn't take away from the feeling that you have yeah do you know what I also think is a problem is that we don't I'm comparing this to a more typical like I have a lot of friends who work in marketing for example they will work for a really long time on a big brief or a concept or some type of marketing plan they will deliver the plan and then they will have like the post campaign reports talking about how it all went what they could do differently next time that kind of thing we don't have the post we only have the lead up we have the stress and the anxiety of making something that is going to be you know to these standards

that it will go viral and it'll get all this attention and all that kind of thing and then as soon as you post it what's next what's happening next what's the next one that you're doing what's the next thing that you're creating like who are you working with next like I don't think we actually get the wind down time because and again it kind of goes back to this whole no salary we've got to do the next thing because otherwise we don't have money coming through the door so it can be really really stressful yeah it has been but i i yeah i'm trying to navigate that still but i agree with you we don't celebrate our wins enough like once once it's done you're like okay what's next what's bigger so how are you trying to meet your person are you online dating you

slide into the dms you because we've got a facebook group that they match people with love Help me. Help. It's rough out here. I don't know. Are you online? I am. I mean, like Bumble and Tinder.

Yep. I'm on all the dating apps. I've been trying to get on Raya, but they won't let me in. I had a husband there. That's what I want to get. I met my husband there. Okay, I have 12 referrals and they still won't let me in. That doesn't make sense.

I don't know. They don't want me. Maybe because I got married on there, I've got more pull. I should send him the screenshot saying Insta-famous. Oh, yeah. Let me in. Do you know what they've done? The problem is there's too many people on there.

I think that's what they've done. They really opened it up because they got greedy. Oh. Yeah. But don't give up. Keep trying. I am. I'm trying.

It's just I find it really interesting. I've been chatting to a guy this week and I was talking to my – I saw my auntie yesterday and it's been six days of us chatting and we haven't met up yet. And I was like, I actually think it's been too long. and she's like no and I was like yeah I actually think and you know talking about attention economy I feel like our attention spans are so short that if you don't meet immediately we've lost interest and now I feel like law of detachment I have to pretend I don't care

for me I think it's between a rock and a hard place with this because as women you want to know someone well enough that you feel comfortable and you feel safe yeah but if you leave it too long I feel as though the pressure gets a bit too high of like well now we feel like we actually know each other quite well so if it doesn't end up being something good yes we've spent all of sun cross palsy we've spent all of this time getting to know each other before we've actually met in person and sometimes you just meet people in person and the vibe's so different yeah i don't know if it's pheromones it gives me something chemistry right it's just it's not there yeah you also just don't want to waste you get to the point where you're so exhausted by it you're like

i don't want to waste two weeks of my time talking to someone then when i meet you you're not here exactly i reckon three days is the sweet spot right and just get straight to it coffee coffee that's it i've suggested it twice now and he hasn't well then fuck him i know like you're better than that yeah but i'm desperate now so i'm like come on no one else is he's not it if you've suggested coffee to him twice he's not it i would block and delete you can revisit it a later day it's rough it's rough i feel like dating culture is it's really tough because like you just have another option once you've swiped right on someone there's someone else there you know yeah and that goes back to exactly the attention economy yeah we do not like we find it

so hard to do anything hard yeah like to anything that takes effort or commitment we don't want it because there's something so much easier down the track what would you advise would you give to somebody that wants to get into content creation it is now the dream job now that young people isn't that crazy well young people know that like wow i can make a living from being exactly who i want to be online is amazing it is a tough industry for sure yeah what advice would you give just post the video just post it don't ever think it don't ever think it like you said and i know that we're saying that this was maybe a negative thing that we once you've posted it you move on but it's true when it comes to content creation don't ever think it make the video post it because

as soon as it's done even if it flops just make another one did you struggle though and i've spoken to um ash who is uh two doting dads matt's co-host you know that our pods obviously have a lot of overlap i spoke to him about this a couple of years ago because he was just like your regular guy with all of his friends on Instagram and he worked a regular job and then I was like what was it like for you posting the first videos because it can be strange for the people that you actually know like intimately for them to be like what is this person now trying like and I feel like it is and you've got you kind of got to get over that hurdle and then I mean look who's laughing now like it's his whole career it's your whole career but only cringe because those people are doing

what you wish you could do and you don't do. There's also like a shift I feel of like when they're trying to be an influencer to when they are an influencer or a content creator however however you want to say it and I also think it's quite funny I think about people on their Instagram stories when they're talking to an audience do you know what there's like a shift I had no followers at one point and then all of a sudden I talked to my stories like they're an audience and I was like when did that shift happen when did I go from like a person with no followers to all of a sudden talking like hey guys hey guys this is what I'm doing today yeah there's like a shift right have you been sliding and asking me about yeah yeah so many questions about my outfit

it's from here here and here you know there's definitely a shift when I don't know when that happens for people but there's definitely like a cringe factor that you have to avoid that people are gonna judge you you have to get over it you just have to post the videos I still have well not anymore I guess because I it's my full-time job and I've been doing it for a while but I had people being like so how are your little videos going how are your little videos going you're like if you saw my little bank account you know they're doing well you saw my paid travel did you see my house tour that I had to take down you know how I did that with a cute little video yeah but they definitely I had people being like oh I saw your video you know when I still worked

in retail oh it's really cute and you know I mean I don't hear from them anymore but you know there's definitely a cringe factor that you have to get past I still have people who I my content creator friends I have one who only posts on TikTok because she doesn't want to post on Instagram because her friends are there and I was like well if they're not going to support you they're not your friends firstly that's wild yeah she has like quite a large following on TikTok I just post it it's different it's different is it I remember when I was in the hospital and I started a podcast I didn't want anyone to know I remember the day I can remember the moment I can still see every the exact spot that I was when someone goes did I see that you had a podcast

and I'll never I went what no don't be ridiculous that's Schmittney Cockley that's a circumcision on a podcast but I remember being mortified and then I thought why am I embarrassed for trying to do something do you know why oh I do because there was a time because if it doesn't work and you fail that's when you feel like oh how embarrassing everyone knows I tried and failed but I just think people are going to judge you no matter what you do people are going to judge you if you do it and they're going to judge you if you don't do it so you may as well be doing it you may as well be doing what you want and who's laughing now yeah exactly Maddie thank you so much for coming on today it was such a pleasure to talk to you

what's up I can't wait to hear the gastro reel yeah no I'm gonna write that down gastro isn't that just such a content thing all of us have a notes app where all of our ideas go down i remember being out for dinner with like some radio announcers a couple of years ago and something happened and i saw every single one of us just be like hang on and we all pulled out our phones and i was like we all suck oh it's so hard to get your brain out of it yeah it's like someone falls over and breaks their arm and you're like who breaks arm what did you break call out you're not calling the ambulance you're writing down a content idea thank you so much for coming on and let's um jump in our facebook discussion group everyone

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