Life Uncut - In bed with Australia's highest paid escort - UNCUT WITH SAMANTHA X

Episode Date: October 18, 2021

Welcome to your Tuesday Lifers!We're getting a little spicy today! A topic that SO many of us have such an intrigue about, a world that hardly any of us know about; the sex work industry!On today's podcast we are joined by the wonderful Samantha X, Australia's most well known escort.We speak about what the biggest misconceptions of the adult industry are, what kind of things clients request (spoiler alert, it is likely NOT what you expected), the ins and outs of the industry and who the kinds of people that use these services are.Want to know what the average age of woman that her clients request?What do you think the sex is like?Why do you think a woman would get into the industry?Samantha breaks down a lot of our preconceived ideas of the industry and we hope that you enjoy this chat as much as we did!You can find her here: https://samanthax.com.au/JOIN THE CONVERSATIONJoin the Facebook discussion group : HEREFollow LIFEUNCUTPODCAST Instagram: HEREIf you loved the episode, we'd realllllly love it if you could leave us a review!Share the ep with someone you love because we love love! x xSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hi guys and welcome back to another episode of Life Uncut, I'm Laura and I'm Brittany and happy Tuesday lifers, it is a good week to be alive. It is a good week. Do you know what? A lot is happening. Melbourne, you're about to join us in freedom. And I can, I honestly cannot tell you how frigging happy I am that New South Wales is out of lockdown. That's Melbourne's about to be out of lockdown and join us. I know that there was so many people on social media this week who've just been celebrating. That's happening on Thursday. We have the bachelorette starting on Wednesday, which also means guys, we may or may not but i think it's more may undecided no no we've decided maddie j is making a comeback and

we will be doing some bachelorette okay how long has matt been standing at the door waiting for that moment you just scared the absolute shit out of me just then i haven't brushed my teeth so very lucky me this is real close we're sharing a microphone matt lucky that none of the listeners can actually smell your breath but thanks for letting australia know that you haven't brushed your teeth well i'm also worried about laura because we're sharing the one mic here but yeah very excited to come back can't wait it's gonna be great how long were you waiting at the door for us to mention that so you could burst in and have your moment i've been there for an hour and a half my legs were cramping i had to go to the bathroom but it was worth it i had to wet my

pants there's a puddle on the floor outside okay so look that is happening batch on cut is coming on Thursday. Brit is out of quarantine and very soon we'll be reunited in real life. It's just a good week, guys. It's like we're so close, but we're so far still. I came out of quarantine last week. As you know, I quarantined in Adelaide. Well, actually, maybe some of you don't know, but I quarantined in Adelaide and that was just because that was the only flight I could get back. The only place in Australia that would take me was Adelaide. So I was like, wherever, I will go anywhere. But what it means is because I was in Adelaide, which isn't classified as a hotspot, I was able to fly to Queensland and see my family so if I went back to New South Wales to see you

immediately Laura which I wanted to do I wouldn't have been able to see the fam so I just like I just grabbed the opportunity while I was there and I flew straight up to see my sister Sherry my brother Mitch I haven't seen him in a year so that was quite nice and I'll be back in just a few days and then we'll be doing this face to face after what feels like forever maybe you could just sit in another room and we can still record over zoom I've gotten so used to it now don't know what it's going to be like to see you in real life and touch you I'll have like first date jitters we probably won't be we probably won't be able to talk we're going to be like what do we do now what do we do in real life well also just on the whole like you know I mean everything else feels

like it's getting back to normal I can't tell you yesterday Matt and I we went for a walk down in Bondi and there were people outside doing salsa dancing on the promenade there were people with bongo drums it was honestly just the happiest the happiest I have ever seen Bondi everyone was celebrating but we have still had to postpone the wedding because unfortunately with the Queensland and the borders being shut Matt's family Matt's mum that's brothers and my dad everybody is still in Queensland so we didn't want to still have the wedding in the next couple of weeks when half your family can't come the family can't be there so that's one thing I can't believe you were supposed to be married in a few weeks that is bonkers so for all you lifers I'm gonna

let you in on a little secret we were supposed to be getting married on the 11th of November and it's crazy because now essentially we could get married the wedding could go ahead in exactly the way that we wanted it to except just our family wouldn't be there so we had to postpone it so not quite exactly the way you wanted to minor technicality with half of the family missing it sucks for multiple reasons like it sucks because you can't get married but it sucks because it was a really good date it was 11 11 21 like matt would never have forgotten that he probably would still forget it i mean to be fair neither of us are very good with dates it's not it's not a forte I don't even know when our anniversary is I mean you do because it was on

a national tv show and we still managed to forget well now that we're talking about big news there is also some other really positive and massive news that's happened in Australia which Britt and I wanted to touch on today now it's definitely more serious news but it's something that I mean you guys know if you've listened to the podcast for a while that speaking about domestic violence has been something that's been a reoccurring theme on the podcast it's something that both britain i are really passionate about we did a really important episode with jess hill recently if you haven't listened to that i recommend going back and listening to it but australia as of today has just brought out some huge changes and that is that women who are fleeing domestic violence

and who have been subjected to domestic violence in their household will be able and eligible to get a five thousand dollar payout from the government in order to help them to be able to leave and set up a new life and we all know that one of the biggest barriers for women leaving toxic and violent situations, especially in their family home, is that so many of them have been financially restricted. And this will allow women to be able to make that next step and to be able to leave a perpetrator. And honestly, I read this in the news today and I just felt so happy that this has finally happened. I mean, a long time coming, but I wanted to share that with you guys as well. It is absolutely huge. And like you just said, Laura, we are so passionate about it. And

I guess what is happening is it's becoming more spoken about so people like podcasts like us Jess Hill who is advocating for it I feel like for a long time people didn't really know or understand what was happening in relationships with domestic violence what women and children were going through and I feel like the more we're speaking about it the more we're making changes now this is a $5,000 one-off payment and it is actually part of a 1.1 billion dollar women's safety package of programs so there's a lot more going on behind the scenes like I'm stoked for it but I guess my little worry is that the $5,000 is broken into $1,500 in cash. And then the remainder of that money is things for food or payment for bonds and school fees, trying to help them get

back on their feet with a house, like establish themselves, which is amazing. But my worry is when a woman leaves a situation in domestic violence, 99% of the time they leave with nothing but the clothes on their back, a bag for their kids and that is it, like a small bag. They just leave they have nothing so my worry is that as amazing as this is $1,500 of the cash it's better than nothing but we still have a long way to go in how we can support these women so we're definitely moving in the right direction but still some things that worry me I guess oh I absolutely agree I don't think that this is this isn't a solution and this isn't going to be here here's $5,000 this will fix the problem by any means but I think it's like having something having some sort

security and financial security to know that if you do leave with just the clothes on your back that there is some finances there that's going to get you through the first week or the second week just while you figure out your next move. Oh this payment alone could be the difference with a woman feeling like she can leave and she can't leave like this could be the decider. I guess the other part of this is that it's so important to have services it's so important to have support at the back end of domestic violence but there also needs to be just as much money and just as much focus being put on to prevention and how do we educate young boys so that they're not continuing this same pattern behavior the more that we have conversations about it the more that people

become aware of how prolific it is how many women will experience this in their lifetime and so I mean I guess it's just another step in the right direction but Britt you also have a recommendation for us for today's episode and I know that this ties in quite nicely yeah it actually is and this wasn't planned at all I was always coming in with this recommendation but speaking about how important it is for us to speak about these issues more often I cannot recommend the Netflix series Made Enough now I know that a lot of you probably have watched it already I binge watched it when I was in quarantine I think maybe two days max I watched it probably in a day I put some stories up on my Instagram just saying how great the series was about halfway through and I

had a lot of people writing back saying oh I've just started it it's so amazing I loved it and I have since seen it trending. There are a lot of publications and a lot of people talking about it and I wanted to add myself into that mix. I cannot recommend it enough. If you don't know what Made is about, it is based on a true story and it is just about this 23-year-old girl in America. Her name is Alex and the whole series is about her. She has a two-year-old daughter and she's trying to escape an abusive relationship. Now the abusive relationship, it's emotional abuse and coercive control there are aspects of violence within it but it's more about him having really violent outbursts and punching holes in walls and pushing her a little bit like that and it's about how

the next step if she stayed in that relationship would be very very serious physical domestic violence now what it highlights is and the reason it is so powerful is it shows her struggle to escape and how fucking hard it is she leaves this relationship and it is almost it highlights the poverty system in America and how hard it is for anybody to get back on their feet and live in a safe environment it's about she goes around in circles trying to get payments for benefits to help which is why it's so important we talk about this five thousand dollar payment it's about her trying to get a job but jobs won't employ her until she has a residential address she's like well how do I get a residential address without a job it's constantly highlighting it has this

little thing throughout it where like every time she spends money which is like two dollars on some petrol she'll put like five dollars of petrol in a car and a little bank balance comes up and it constantly shows how much money she has left and every single day she gets down to like the 20 cents and she eventually gets a job as a cleaner and a maid and it just shows the insidious nature of what happens in these relationships when you're trying to leave and how you try and get back on your feet and nobody is speaking about it no there are no Netflix shows no one has really covered it in this aspect before and it's honestly mind-boggling and I do not understand how anyone in this situation is supposed to get back on their feet and I honestly think everyone every man every

woman needs to watch this show I think you can hear how passionate I am in my voice Laura like please watch it you will just be blown away I haven't seen it yet and it has come recommended not just by you but by every other media outlet recently that I've kind of tuned into but one of the things that I saw in Brit correct me if this is wrong but kind of nothing big happens as in like there's no prolific or cataclysmic storyline it's just exploring the very normal and when I say normal I mean like the everyday struggles that someone who's trying to leave a coercive control relationship or a domestic violence situation I think sometimes when we think about domestic violence we think it has to be violent like actual physical violence but from the conversations we

had with Jess Hill from the conversations that we've had with Dr. Angela Jay that's not where it starts it's these small it's verbal abuse it's the small put downs it's the toxicity and that's how it grows and I think that the fact that this TV show has been created around the start of what that can look like and not necessarily on the big cataclysmic events that kind of can evolve from a toxic relationship adds a lot of power and adds a lot of weight for women who are in situations where they sit there and they go I don't know if this is considered domestic violence like I don't know if what I'm being subjected to or what I'm experiencing is actually DV or whether I can make an excuse for it or whether he's just very hyper emotional or he sometimes has outbursts but he's

never actually hit me I think there's a real gray area there for a lot of people and seeing it reflected back on a Netflix series makes that gray area and that ambiguity a lot less and a lot more black and white yeah and what it does is and this is why it's so powerful like you just said you're right nothing big happens in terms of there's nothing explosive in every episode it really is just a look into somebody's reality the day-to-day struggles and even though I'm saying nothing big is happening you're still hooked it's still very gripping it's still very raw but what I loved the most is and I'm going to talk about it this isn't a spoiler but I'm going to talk about some things but what I love the most is it really highlights what goes on in these relationships in terms of

women going back to domestic violence relationships because we all know it takes well maybe we don't all know but it does take women up to seven times to leave a relationship for good an abusive relationship that's how many times that they will go back five to seven times which is huge so it highlights that and it highlights how the justice system still is still a little bit more skewed to the men and how hard it is to prove your domestic violence so she didn't know that she had to go straight and file a police report she thought she could leave straight away and get to safety but ultimately they were saying well you know did anyone see this happen and she was like well no it was at home did you file a police report well no because I ran straight to a shelter

I didn't I was scared and because of that the law lent more towards the male in this situation and these are things that I mean we're up in arms about it but this is happening to women every single day and I think a lot of the world doesn't know what women are facing every single day when they try and leave these situations. Platforming this on a worldwide streamer also helps to debunk the stigma and the unnecessary rhetoric around like, why didn't she just leave? You know, and I think that that's what we know is that that's a constant conversation and a constant question that gets asked is like, well, if it was so bad, why didn't you just leave? And there's so many reasons as to why someone doesn't leave. I mean, I haven't seen the series yet, Britt. Thanks for

bringing. You're going to go watch it now, aren't you? I'm going to go watch it. Thank you for bringing the recommendation also guys if you've been watching it slide into our dms if you have any thoughts feelings towards it as well yeah i'd love some people to start chatting about it on the discussion group too because i've been talking about it with people in my dms singly but i'd love to see a thread of it so maybe we can start something in the discussion group okay well there were some big issues that we got out of the way early but let's tell you about what today's episode actually is about now today's episode we are speaking to a woman named samantha x maybe you guys have heard the name Samantha X maybe you know who she is maybe you don't. Samantha X is one

of Australia's well actually she is Australia's top paid and most well-known escort. She came out publicly as an escort probably 10 years ago now quite a long time ago she was a journalist she's a very intelligent woman she's written two best-selling books she was incredible to talk about we had a lot of requests to actually get her on or someone in this sex working space on now it is a space that Laura and I we don't know a lot about we've obviously never worked in the industry I've never known anyone to work in the industry but it is a very very popular industry and we were really intrigued about it so we thought what better way to learn about it than to get somebody on that has lived it for a very long time so Samantha X being Australia's most

high paid escort I think the thing I loved about this conversation is the fact that we all and I think all of us regardless of whether we're conscious of it or not we all have a perception around what sex work is we all you know I think it's very stigmatized I think that we can have some very negative thoughts around why people get into working in the industry what the industry actually is and speaking to her I even found that some of my beliefs some of the things that I thought about it which had been formed without any real information or knowledge were being challenged. One of those beliefs is that, you know, Samantha, this is an occupation that she has chosen wholeheartedly and she also fucking loves it. There's no ambiguity around how she feels

about working in the sex industry. She loves being an escort. And I guess one of the parts of this is that she talks about how there is this preconceived idea that everybody who works in the sex industry works in the sex industry because they are dependent on drugs or they need money. They're in a dire place of destitute in their lives whereas Samantha X comes into this conversation saying that there is a dark side there absolutely is a dark side to the sex industry but there also is a side where so many women especially in today's society are choosing to get into sex work because it's empowering for them it's liberating for them and it makes them a hell of a lot of money now this conversation in no way is us advocating for you guys to go and get into sex

works. This is more so just a really honest and like interesting conversation with someone who works in the industry that majority of us don't know anything about. And I think if we're going to make our minds up about something and we're going to have ideas about our beliefs around something, it's really important to be educated on those ideas and beliefs as well. And speak to someone who maybe sits outside of your normal contacts of conversations that you would normally have and I know for me I've never spoken to somebody who is a sex worker and who also speaks about it in a way that they absolutely love it so I found this a really eye-opening and also a very fun conversation sex work is still such a stigmatized conversation and I think for so

many people who work in the industry there is still feelings of like oh like why like why would you want to do that why would you choose that for a living but I do also see that you know sexuality is having a real moment in the media at the moment especially female sexuality and female empowerment and also conversations around only fans and so many women are choosing to move into this industry from their own volition so I hope you guys enjoy the episode and before we get into the chat with Samantha X we have our favorite part of every episode and that is accidentally unfiltered and also we really need to plan that more accidentally unfiltered than the new confessionals we love this part we absolutely love you guys have been writing in the funniest shit but laura's

gonna kick it off this week with an accidentally unfiltered i am just so happy that two years on we are still getting so many cooked things that happen and that as they happen to you you think i'm gonna write that into the life uncut girls if you have had an embarrassing thing happened to you and you've been holding onto it for the past like year or however long you've been listening to the podcast thinking one day I'm going to write it in. Let this be your calling card. Today is that day. Please write in your accidentally unfiltered. But anyway, we actually have so many people recently that have written in saying like, okay, I've been sitting on this for two years and my sister's been trying to make me tell you every week for

two years. I feel like I'm ready. Okay. I literally have that one screenshot and say the one that you're talking about right now. I have that screenshot and say, but that's going to be people that are like i'm on the side of the road doing the poo now but i felt like i should tell you immediately in the moment i just wish that less of them were about poos but fucking hell there's so many poos no there's the funniest ones all right this is definitely non-poo related when i was 21 i worked at a pub in my hometown in melbourne i had had a massive night out and i was so so hungover for the lunch shift i walked into the kitchen and they said hey take these to whatever table number it was so i walked over and there it is i see peter hellyer's family and

himself sitting there at the table my brain is so foggy at this point and i go to call out the meals so i walk up to the table but instead of saying hi here's your chicken parmigiana i say hey here's your chicken pita hell yeah i don't even realize i've said it as i look around for someone to claim the meal then all of a sudden my stomach drops as i realize what i've said his whole family is sitting there staring at me. He is looking at me deadpan while one other person is sitting there laughing. Anyway, I hid for the rest of the shift. I just fucking love this. Hi, here's your Peter Hellier, your chicken. And also like, you would just kind of be offended a bit, I think. I think it would be funny if someone came up to me and said, hey, here's your chicken, Brittany Hockley.

I think, I would think it was hilarious. Like, I can't believe anyone would be in that situation and not find that funny. I once did the most embarrassing thing when it comes to celebrities. and I think sometimes you can see a celebrity in real life and not clock who they are because especially with social media these days you kind of feel like you're closer to them than what you really are you know for example we share so much about and this is not me saying we're celebrities we're definitely not like the fucking d-grade celebrities of the world but we share so much of our personal lives on the podcast and on social media and so when I run into some of you who are listeners on the street so many of you are like oh my god and then this happened and this happened

And it can sometimes be a bit disjointed because you know so much about our lives and we don't know anything about your life. And so I kind of feel like I'm trying to catch up a little bit. Well, I once was walking through Paddington and I saw this girl who I was like, oh, I'm pretty sure I went to school with her. And she was looking at me and I was looking at her and I was like, oh, hey, babe, how you going? And then I realized it was Natalie Imbruglia. And was she like, good baby? She literally just looked at me like, why the fuck are you talking to me? And I was like, oh, so rude.

And then it dawned on me and I was like, I don't know you. You are so famous. And I just thought, oh, yeah, we went to school, whatever. Good to see you, babe. Loser. The same thing sort of happened to me, but not sort of. I mean, like not the same. I'm going to tell you.

It was not that long ago just before I left for overseas. I was in the supermarket in Bondi. Now, this happens to me all the time, right? I would have seen a guy and I'll be like, have I gone on a date with you or have i just have you been inside have i just seen you on tinder not so much inside me because i don't have that many one night stands but like have i do i a how do i know you have i met you somewhere in real life have we been on a date or have i just stalked you on instagram somewhere or have i just seen you on tinder like i always get them mixed up at just like what level i've known

them so i was in the supermarket and i saw this guy putting some stuff in his groceries and i was like fuck we made eye contact we looked at each other and i was like shit i know i know you and I was like clocking where from so I just gave him like a little smile I was like a half flirty smile just in case I was like just in case we have hooked up in case you like each other so I gave him like a half flirty smile went to the next aisle just like walked past and then I was racking my brain saw him again in the next aisle smiled again and then it hit me it was Sam Worthington and I was like definitely have not matched you on tinder definitely have not hooked up with you I think so many people would relate not the Sam Worthington pub I think so many people would

relate to seeing a guy or a girl in public and being like I don't know if I know you or oh that's the person who I've matched with on a dating app and what do you do if you've matched with someone on a dating app and then you see them in real life do you go and say hello well I don't know it has happened to me before where someone came up to me in another bar in Bondi and they're like hey we matched I was like hey and he's like then you go to me and I was like cute you're like then you don't come and say hello I was like why did you do that then now this is so awkward and I was like oh I probably um I think I was seeing someone or I don't know like just don't do it I think that like you can have a smile at someone but it is very awkward it's different it depends if you've

actually matched and met up with them or spoke to them or if you just matched and never had that conversation online because I think if you've never had a conversation you can pretend like you don't know each other yeah but you both know that you do know each other that's the thing you can feel it you're like I know that you know that we matched and you know that I know that we matched but now we're not acknowledging it and it's weird and we're both sitting in this cafe anyway that's a thing to unpack on a whole other episode brit bring me your confessionals for today i do just want to add that sam worthington he had like grown a big beard like there was a he had a hat on and he had a beard so there's like a reason i didn't quite recognize him but

anyway i didn't i definitely didn't match with him and he has never been inside me i just want to put that disclaimer out to the media on that note i've got a couple of hectic confessions for you i'm gonna start with something cute okay guys i called the nrma because my car wouldn't start after the poor guy came on the side of the road we tried everything we discovered that the only reason it didn't start because we didn't have it in park lol whoops now the best part is my dad insisted we replace the battery because he was worried there was something wrong i couldn't bring myself to tell the truth so my car got a brand new battery that my dad paid for for no

reason oh bless i think it's like i would have just told my fucking dad you just made your dad spend like 700 on a new car battery because you didn't put your car in park bless i feel like that is very innocent also like i mean i'm pretty sure i called nrma once and then realized i just had no petrol so fine we've all been there happens the best of us okay confessional i went on a first date to a boy's house it was going really well and he was cooking us dinner then my worst nightmare started I started to need the loo I made an excuse that my contact lens was rubbing so I could quickly go and do my poo before dinner so I've done the poo and I realized the toilet was blocked with tissue oh my god I wanted to cry so two glasses of wine down I panicked I picked up the

number two I threw it out the two-story window next day because I stayed over my date took his dog to the vet because he was so worried at what his very small dog had done in the garden so he thought that his dog his small dog had done a human-sized shit in the yard so he took it to the vet what i like about this though is not the fact that it was a human-sized poo it would have been absolutely decimated by being thrown out a two-story window so he just thought that dog oh man that's awful and you also can never admit to that i know that there's always a poo story that gets told but you can never admit to being who throws a poo out a two-story window you can never admit that you put your bare hand in the toilet and pulled out your log and threw out the

window at your boyfriend's house never you take that to the grave or to life uncut I'm going to tell you though the amount of people who have actually messaged us to tell us that they fish their own poo out of a toilet bowl is is wild and I know that some of you like I mean we've gotten feedback some of you are like enough with the poo stories I get it we would also like it to be enough with the poo stories but they keep on coming in every week that's what we receive when it comes to an accidentally unfiltered or a confessional but I can't tell you 95% of our stories from you guys are poop stories okay I have one more confessional that I'm going to throw in here because I just think it's so well I mean it's not that innocent but it's really funny I lied

to my parents about my ATAR and I photoshopped my certificate they then framed it yeah you did girl you live your best life I think that there's there's like a whole other layer to this because your ATAR gets published in the newspaper so what happens when your correct ATAR gets published do you double down on the lie do you say no they accidentally misprinted my ATAR results in the newspaper I gave you my certificate obviously they just didn't look at that no which is fair like everyone might not if you just say mom this is what I got here's my certificate like they're not going to go search in the newspaper if you have the type of parents who are framing your ATAR and putting it on the wall I can guarantee you that they are looking for that name in a

newspaper anyway guys that is it from accidentally unfiltered and confessionals let's get into the chat with samantha x we hope you guys enjoy it as much as we enjoyed doing the interview samantha x is australia's highest paid and most well-known escort she's an ex-journalist turned author she's got a few best-selling books hooked and back on track both books are like a fly-on-the-wall experience, revealing what it's actually like to work in the sex industry. She speaks very, very openly about what working in this industry involves, and I'm talking the good, the bad, the hard, and the funny, and Samantha is now a sex coach and owner of Samantha X After Dark. She's a very, very interesting woman, and I'm very intrigued about this life,

so Samantha, welcome to Life Uncut. Thanks for coming today. Thank you. I always hear people saying that they're intrigued by my story. And I always, I always smile because I think no matter what, no matter how old my story gets, people are so intrigued by the sex industry and by the secrets that I have. And I, because I've been in it for a while now, I think, you know, it's so kitchen table for me now. So I forget that people are still so interested in it. So thank you for having me on. Well, I think for so many people, like, I mean, for majority of us, there is so much taboo and mystery. Before we unpack your life and how you got into the industry, we ask everybody who comes on this podcast one very the same question it is accidentally unfiltered and

that is you sharing with us your most embarrassing story now I know that you got prepped on this a little bit late but Samantha do you have an embarrassing story to share with us I've got so many embarrassing stories the one that I thought about that came to my mind first was when I was quite new starting out as Samantha and the client requested a really romantic night we had dinner champagne I had a beautiful hotel room full of candles and and then you know he was gorgeous and I was really nervous and we sort of moved from the kitchen to the living room to the bedroom and I could smell smoke and I hadn't realized that the sheets were on fire because the sheets had caught fire from the candle so it was I was trying to be really professional and

sexy that was a learning lesson for me big time big time and put out a fire it cost me a fortune because there was smoke all the way up the wall you know how that smoke all the way up the walls you know I had to obviously really apologize for nearly burning his face and dick off it was just it was just a lesson another one I just want to say which I think a lot of women will cringe at is this a young man booked me once and then when he turned up he looked at me he went oh no you're too old oh my god he did not but the thing about being an escort or in the industry is that you you learn to toughen up pretty quickly and you know think it's not personal you know what you know I someone may find me attractive and another man may not it's really you learn you

learn to toughen up pretty quick how do you cope with that like I mean the very first time that sort of happens and you are I mean it's it's kind of like you're on this continual first date where you have to show up and be like hi I'm Samantha nice to meet you like how do you I don't know how does your ego and your self-esteem reckon with that it can be incredibly hard I mean I've tried dating in the real world too and I find that harder so with Samantha I mean obviously my real names, not Samantha, but with this character I've created, it's showtime. I have got that barrier up. So whatever they say to me, Samantha doesn't really affect me as Amanda. So it's different. If it was real life, I call it real life. Then I would find it really hard, but,

but you know, it's, it's a job and what happens with a client or what a client says to me, I don't bring home. I may write about it, but I don't bring it home. So I want to get into that in a second about the Amanda versus Samantha and these, I guess these two lives you almost live, but I want to ask you something quickly that you just touched on you just mentioned that this guy rocked up to the hotel one day and said oh no you're too old do they know who you are and what you look like when they book you like why was he so surprised I thought he would have booked you knowing who and what you are that was a long time yeah that's a really good question that was a long time ago that was before I came out as Samantha

so my face wasn't shown my pictures weren't really identifiable at all now it's a very very different story. When I first started out and the person I am now, completely different. And it doesn't even get to that stage because clients, men who know who I am and they know what I look like. So the two Samanthas, I was very green then. So tell us a little bit about what life was like, just a background on you. Where did you grow up? How did you get to the point that you're at right now? And when did Amanda turn into Samantha? Okay. So I grew up in Wimbledon in London. I had a very privileged upbringing went to private school all girls school normal dysfunctional family I mean I'll be honest there it was a you know it was privileged but I mean I know what families

all families are like because I hear enough about all families but I moved I was a journalist I always wanted to be a journalist and then when I moved to Australia in my mid-20s I did so for many reasons to escape really and so I was a journalist in Australia for many years and then I always knew I wanted to be Samantha. It just was in me. And I think a lot of women in this industry also say the same thing. They just know. So after separating from my ex with two young children, I decided it was time to be Samantha. And I had no idea what to do. I had no one I knew in my world was in the adult industry. But I did my research like a good journalist and picked up the phone and worked for an establishment. And the minute I started, I was hooked. I mean,

I don't mean to say hooked her heart's name my book but I was I was hooked and it's an addictive industry it's very addictive and I say to young girls only especially young girls that come to me saying I want to be if I want to be an escort and you know it's so glamorous and I always warn them and I say no because once you're in this industry it is impossible to leave go and have your career go and have kids if you want to have kids go and get married or whatever you want to do and then obviously everyone's story is different for me at my age 47 what I do suits me in my lifestyle now but was I ready for it earlier absolutely not no what was the catalyst that happened or what was it that made you want to shift from working in journalism to working as

an escort I know you said that it was something that you always felt like you wanted to do but what was the big thing or was there a big thing that made you go I'm going to give this a try look I mean yes I was dating and that's enough that was the catalyst I was in my mid-30s you know and I have this thing where I say I'm sick of men wasting my time they can pay for it and money is also a factor that I mean it's it'd be naive and irresponsible of me to say that money isn't great it comes and it goes very easily I was working full-time as a journalist and I was a single mother and I didn't take very kindly to some editor saying you can't see your children this weekend you have to work so I didn't see

my children 50 50 anyway I only saw them so I just thought fuck this I'm gonna create that character I always wanted to create it and looking back I think I can't believe how brave I was now I would looking back I think I can't believe half the stuff I've done but at the time it felt really right and I really feel I was meant to live that life yeah just an escalation of a few bad dates it wasn't one little event it was just a general okay I'm really sick of dating now when you say that you knew that it was always in you and you knew it was always something that you wanted to do what do you mean by that do you mean that like you just loved sex so much or do you mean that you knew that one person wasn't necessarily for you and you liked that lifestyle

like what was it that was burning inside of you that was like because I feel like it's a very specific industry to jump from journalism to that and to say I knew that this industry was always in me especially when you joined like now we're doing podcasts like this we're talking openly about it it's so much more accepted there was definitely a stigma and a taboo probably when you joined the industry massively now now sex workers have podcasts and I'm not the first one to write a book and I won't be the last I guess it was a power thing and it still is you know when I date someone in my real life I sort of feel the scales are a bit out of whack but when I'm Samantha I have the power and I think that's a very hard thing to lose once you've got that it's almost like a mask

I can hide behind because the real me is very different to Samantha couldn't be more different and I think people are always quite surprised when they meet the real me because I'm actually quite an introvert and you know it's not about sex sex is sex you know I've always said that I always say to women don't do this job for the sex it's more the power I think that's what that's what drew me there and that's what keeps me there and of course the men I really really love the clients I see. Talk to me a little bit about how and why when you started or what it was that made you go okay I want to keep Amanda separate I want Amanda to be me and I want to have more of a stage name when it comes to my work and working in the adult industry I didn't actively plan to do that

it just evolved naturally I created Samantha and I didn't sit there and think okay I want Samantha to be blonde I want her to have big boobs I didn't plan all of that I evolved over the past 10 years but I knew that if I was at home housework being a very normal typical woman at home if I was being book to Samantha I could leave that behind and step into this world and I became addicted to that stepping into that world walking through the hotel five-star hotel knocking on the door you know it's escapism and I'm being treated like a queen princess whatever and I'm with the client for one two hours and then I come home to my real life and and that's what I find really hard to let go of is that escapism that thrill I mean it's intriguing for me you know as a journalist I'm

intrigued by who I meet behind the hotel door I'm always intrigued by my clients do you and I'm sure it's very different from when you entered the industry until now obviously you run your own companies and you're very in control and you're very very well known and respected did you ever and can you now do you see the clients that book you before like can you choose the client because what happens if like and let's be real like you still want to have an attraction you don't want to go and have sex with someone I'm sure that you're repulsed by for whatever reason is there a time that you've ever turned up and you've just gone like holy shit like how do I get out of this or I don't want to do it or is it different for you when you just love the whole experience so

much that it doesn't matter who's on the other side it doesn't matter when you're when when a woman is working it doesn't matter it doesn't matter what they look like it really doesn't have I ever felt holy shit yes I have I'd be lying if I said no but they're usually the most beautiful clients I mean one of my clients that I miss daily was an 85 year old man obviously there was no intimacy as in sex but he his carer would bring him into the hotel at 11 o'clock in the morning be in a wheelchair he would come upstairs i'd give him a shower would sit on the bed in a dressing gown and drink a whiskey i don't drink so he drank a whiskey and that was all and it was really nice to see him over the past six months i saw him you know he'd become a bit more confident

after shave on wouldn't need his carer or he he wouldn't he would get out of the wheelchair start walking you know it's just really beautiful to see him change a little bit and then when he died um his family rang me and invited me to the funeral which was really lovely so I really miss him actually we used to have such beautiful chats so yeah look I mean could I rip his clothes and have sex with him that would be a real struggle but I didn't we didn't so there have been clients where I think or not many actually because I'm so experienced now I can tell if they're going to be a dickhead just by the way they send me a mail so I don't see those clients Can you teach us that? How do we learn that as the general public? How do we learn straight away

that someone's a dickhead? Well, my biggest number one advice to women is if you think he's a dickhead, he's a dickhead. You know, if something doesn't feel right, it's not right. If he looks and smells like a dickhead, he is. Samantha, you mentioned before, you don't know who the person's going to be or what type that they're going to look like, anything about them. But what is the type of man or what is the type of client that you normally see? I think a lot of us would have it in our heads that there might be a type of guy who would call for an escort service is that the case or is it really just open to kind of anyone it's open to anyone it's no type it's just a man basically not just a man it's women as well but it's um yeah it's it there's no type there's no it's not

like the dodgy dirty mac brigade that hang around train stations it's people from hollywood celebrities to to tradies to to anybody but i would say they all have one thing in common and that's what they're looking for and they're looking for connection and is it always like is I know that you just talked about this 85 year old man that you obviously there was no sex involved but anyone else that's younger than that that's obviously able to have sex is there anyone that would employ you to just be company and just have intimacy or to go on a trip with you like what's the extent of what you are hired for yes there are clients like that and I don't want to give the illusion to women though that this is just accompanying men to dinner and they put you

in a limousine and you go home i have an hourly fee what we what we do in that is up to me really it's not up to them it's up to me but people are paying for my time they're not paying for oh we're not going to have sex so you know what can you discount they're paying for my time so there are men that think they want sex but really they don't they just want company majority of men want company sex is largely always involved but it's very very vanilla and very quick really sorry all my clients that's so funny because you feel like you feel like the people that want to come to you for a night I like want to go crazy always makes me laugh because I've lost count of the number of women that come to me and say Samantha I want to be an escort I'm addicted to sex and I

just laugh and I say don't do this for the sex be be on tinder for sex don't be an escort for sex tinder won't pay you though it costs you cost you time that's what I worked out especially during lockdown I had clients that would ring me and it's nothing they didn't want phone sex they just wanted to talk to someone you know I had one client who was suicidal because he's in Melbourne obviously I don't charge him for that but they are searching for so much more than penis and vagina Samantha you mentioned how important connection is and I feel like I feel like that's probably the big thing that is overlooked in all this I think when we think of the sex industry and when we think of escort services I know I certainly the very first thing that my mind went to was

the sex work but one of the things and we heard you speak on another podcast it was one of the parts of this that we found so interesting was your conversation around connection and conversation can you explain to me a little bit about how and why you find this to be such an important part of the services that you provide connection is probably the number one reason why men book me I can't speak for every other escort out there but I know for me and that really surprised me because I thought it was going to be about sex sex because I feel these days men well not necessarily these days men in my experience men I see they don't feel they can be themselves anywhere and particularly if they're busy at work or they've got families or whatever their situation

is I see them struggle with their emotions and I see them struggle with being able to talk and speak freely without being judged so I call myself an overpaid psychologist you probably charge more it's mentally draining it's me it can be mentally draining not physically draining so a lot of men I feel are starved of that connection whereas women are so good at connecting with each other And I feel men aren't so good at that or they see it as a sign of weakness. But it's funny, with an escort, they will feel comfortable to do that. So back to women who think because they love sex, they'll be a good escort. It's not really a massive part of the job, to be honest.

And the men that come to you, I know you just mentioned that there are all different walks of life and all different kinds of men. Do you see, and this is just out of curiosity, but do you see a lot of married men? Like, are there a lot of family men that are coming to you for whatever reason? I would just love to know, A, if you do see married family men and B, what's the main reason they're coming to you? Okay. So yes, I do see married men.

There are a certain percentage of men that, not all, but some. The number one reason they're coming to me is their marriages have become, or their wives and them have just become strangers in the night. They have separate bedrooms, separate lives. Rightly or wrongly, they stay because of the children. They don't want to leave because they don't want to lose their money and they don't want to lose the kids. And there's a feeling of being trapped. I'm sure their wives feel trapped as well. So, you know, divorce is taboo in a lot of cultures as well. Look, I've been in that

situation. I know what it's like to be in an unhappy relationship. And as an escort and a professional, it's not my job to judge their marriage. And I, you know, there's always two sides to this. Obviously it's not your responsibility as in like, it's not your responsibility to be vetoing your customers who come in and making a moral judgment for them saying you know oh I can't see you because you're married and like you said everyone has different circumstances but I'm sure or maybe not I'd love to know your opinion on this do you receive backlash from people who when if you do speak about seeing married men or if you do speak about having someone come to you who maybe is in a traditional family sense do you cop a lot of

criticism for that personally no I've had wives contact me yeah when they found out but I always end up having an honest conversation with with the wife I remember one and I wrote about it one woman rang me and said oh you've seen my husband and I said um okay here's your husband and she and I didn't know who he was I couldn't remember and she said we're trying for a baby he promised me he wouldn't see escorts anymore you know I'm gonna get private investigator and she goes what do you think I should do and I said well do you really want to be having a baby with someone you don't trust you know so she says do you think he'll change and I said no I don't think he'll change you know and i'm not gonna lie to her we ended up having a real honest conversation and

you know she wasn't saying you you slut you know she was she was just saying i'm so unhappy i'm with someone that does this what do you think i should do and i said well if you've got to the stage where you're ringing a stranger ask and asking what you think you should do i i don't think you should be having a baby with this man especially if she's coming to you for like it's almost like okay you've done your therapy session with him and now you're doing it with her as well it's like but that is so true if you are having to ask someone you don't know that has slept with your husband if you should stay together I mean like your answer's right there isn't it yeah and I felt for her but I mean equally I have women that come to me who want to be escorts that are

married and they want to do this on the side so I think I'm more intimidating for the husbands of my friends than i am for the wives i remember one man said to me don't let my wife come and work for you for god's sake samantha someone i know in my real life she ended up working for me actually and now she's an escort but uh funny enough it's that it's the men that have a problem with what i do not not the women they just spit up and he said if she contacts you don't let her work for you i mean i'm not she's a grown woman you know she's in her 40s yeah she can do what she wants so she ended up contacting me and you know now she's an escort and I think he's furious at me so it's funny while people may think it's the wives that judge me it's actually the men

that are terrified that their wives are going to see this free lifestyle that I have and they're stuck in these marriages and they might think oh you know she's going to want to be free like Samantha she's going to want to be an escort like Samantha that's where the judgment comes from usually not not the wife the wives get it you know women understand why I do what I do nine times that attend, they understand. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to ask this, but I'm going to ask it anyway. I mean, one of the big things must be financially and that it's a lucrative business to be working in. I feel like that must be something that's a calling card. How financially viable are we talking? Like what do we charge a client for an evening or for a few hours? If you

were to have someone spend two hours with you, because I'm thinking, you know, if your girlfriends and people that you're in close contact with, maybe not just seeing the jobs that you're doing, but also seeing like the lifestyle and what you're able to provide for yourself that can also be a really attractive part of this yes it is and I think for single mums as well I charge twelve hundred dollars an hour so I usually see clients for a few hours a couple of thousand dollars here you know and I don't I charge obviously a lot more for that for an overnight which I don't really do that but all going overseas so you yeah you can make great money and you know I put it in the bank I pay my tax disclaimer don't come at me ATO the ATO did ring me once it was a woman wanting

to work for me and she was working for the ATO she saw how much money you were making she's like I need in on that I asked her if she was going to pay tax on the money she earned she went no of course not that is a true story by the way you know it's great for making money but also you don't have superannuation you don't have sick pay you don't you know I might be really busy one month and dead the next but I'm making more money now than I was as a journalist I guarantee that so like on an average week how many clients would you see or how many nights would you work or look now these days barely any because I'm really winding it down but you know you can make a lot of money I mean I know girls that bought properties and you know millions well you mentioned just then

that you're making more now than what you did as a journalist something that I wanted to go back to in regards to your journalist career you've been quoted saying that you entered the adult industry because it was more ethical than the media industry. Tell me about this. Especially these days, I stand by that. Especially in London, I was a journalist for the tabloids and I was told to make things up. And I did some things I wasn't proud of.

You know, I had to go to families when, let's say, I remember one incident, a man had just died in a fire and he was racing his sports car and he died. And I turned up at the family's house that day, knocked on the door, turned up with a photographer, trying to get a photo of him, you know, just barging in on people's lives. in Australia it's a bit more gentle the media here is more gentle but again a journalist is

a journalist at the end of the day and I'm not saying oh you know being an escort is so I'm like a saint now but I actually find in the wholesome industry you know you're dealing with people on a very raw emotional level a very human level and I've certainly learned the art of compassion as an escort as a journalist yes I was interviewing people about their murdered husbands or whatever and you do have a level of compassion but as a journalist you've always got to think of the headline and you know the angle whereas there's an escort apart from the money and the transactional side of it it's it's another human to another human and i think like i mean laura and i even just at our little level have been on the receiving end of journalism that's completely

fabricated and it's all the headings are clickbait and if you get to the very end of the article there's one line that is actually truth and it's actually been pulled from what happened or what was said so like we we see that yeah and i think you're right i mean having been a journalist and having been someone that journalists write about I just I can see through it now how do you find that the media has treated you since you've come out very publicly as Samantha X and since you've written your books um Hawked being like a real expose on the life and what goes on as the life of an escort how do you find the media has treated you since then because I do remember and I even think back a couple of years ago when your book first came out I was seeing Samantha X in Daily

Mail almost daily for a little while there and I know that it can be really hard being sort of front-facing of public scrutiny. What was your experience with the media like? It came in twos, really. It was the Daily Mail. The stories weren't bad. It was the comments from people. Look, it was horrible, but it was also exciting. It was horrible to be on that side of the media, but it also became quite addictive. And I can see why you get addicted to that. Am I in the press? Am I in the press? Am I in the press? And now that's sort of petered out. I'm actually really relieved and I don't chase the public. I don't want to be in the Daily Mail anymore when I first came out of Samantha it was a bit of a whirlwind it was quite a not dark time

for me but it was I was sort of disconnected from what was actually going on and now I've sort of you know I've just become a bit more chill and I'm happy to take a step back I want to ask you a juicy question it was something like when I was doing my due diligence and doing all my research on you it was just something that I read and I thought so many women would want to know about this it's just about like a confidence thing and I guess in the bedroom there are so many women even with their partners that are self-conscious about their bodies self-conscious about sex they don't know how to do anything they think that the men are thinking things that they're not and I read a comment that you said about in my experience men's favorite position is the woman on top

because they're visual I just want to know like what is your experience in that and and what can you say to people that are self-conscious about that in the bedroom and what men are actually thinking because I'm pretty sure men are not looking at that tiny little roll on your belly saying oh my god there's a role i don't want to have sex with her that's such a good question really because i am also very self-conscious and you know i don't have a perfect body and i'm 47 it always makes me smile and i wish women knew that that when they're on top with their partners the men aren't going oh my god look at her double chin oh my god look at her veiny tits or they're not even thinking they're not they can't even see that you know they're just thinking

about a woman on top of them they're just grateful to have sex to be honest and you know the things I don't like about my body a man has never commented on ever ever ever commented on so I think the pressure to be perfect doesn't come from men it comes from ourselves the sexiest thing about women I've always said is confidence and they say youth is wasted on the young I really get that now the older I get more confident I am and it's not because my body's got better it's because I've accepted my body you know and I've had surgery I mean I've had boobs job a job and I've had tweaks here and there but the most sexiest thing a woman can do to her body is is love her body and I don't want to sound like a hallmark card but it's very true and I've learned that

not necessarily because I want validation for men but it's just good for women to know that when you're happy and confident within your body you automatically become sexier what is it that the men are asking for like because I think a lot of people think that when a man wants to hire an escort there are whips there are handcuffs there are sex swings like you're hanging from the bed it's like george of the jungle people think that it's just like wild latex you got the balls in the mouth but what is it men are actually wanting in the bedroom in terms of is it freaky are the positions vanilla and plain and missionary even though that's not vanilla that's actually one of the best positions in my experience but like how freaky is it or how not freaky is it okay so

there's a there's a market for all of that balls in the mouth and chains and stuff i've never been exposed to it it's things like looking in your eyes and looking at each other and cuddling basically very normal it's timid if you know what I mean it's just very normal innocent sex and what would be the most common position requested just out of curiosity this is just like some research on my own missionary missionary wow isn't that it just goes to show like how little awareness I mean me personally I would have thought that it is a whole lot kinkier than this you know and I think sometimes it's the kinky salacious stories that get the attention and maybe that's why we have this perception about this industry that it is a little bit more sordid and a little bit more risque

it's so interesting to speak to you and also understand that women who work in this industry have agency and they can choose the type of work that they want to be doing as well what do you think are some of the biggest stigmas or some of the biggest myths around this industry that you would just love love people to know that it's not true or to try and rework people's frameworks about how they think about the sex industry so i think the number one biggest myth about women in this industry is that we're forced to do it or doing it against our will whereas in actual fact there are plenty of women like me who are in professional careers who have left professional careers or still working in them and make an educated decision to be an escort as well and

they're not doing it because on the bread line or because they've got a drug habit to feed or whatever they're doing it because they enjoy men they enjoy the company of men they have compassion and they want the lifestyle there's plenty of women I know that do that there are women that you would never even guess that are escorts you know and it's not the ones that look like escorts either it's the very conservative looking school mums or I had a doctor that moonlighted as an escort as well it's all sorts of women that's the number one thing number two thing I guess is that it's a legitimate business. It's a legal industry and it is recognized by the law. I mean, it's the oldest profession in the world. It's not going anywhere. It's decriminalized. And I hope by

the more women and men, there's men in the industry as well, the more men and women that speak out about their jobs, the less taboo it becomes. Yeah. And I think it's important to highlight too, that there definitely are women out there that are probably not doing it by choice and they don't have the opportunity. And it is, they're in a situation that it is unfortunately forced and they feel like they have no other option but it is so nice to also hear that there are so many women like you in other professions that are like literally putting their hand up to you saying like like let me do this I want I want to get amongst this but I have a question regarding dating life out of curiosity how does how has been an escort especially one that's been so public

because you do have a public profile how has it affected your dating life do you think you it is harder to date and actually have relationships and when you get into a relationship if you do do you stop escorting over that time yes and I get poor so um so I'm not in a relationship ever they're not paying my bills which is the common problem with women in my industry we meet someone they say that they don't care about my the job you know they're attracted to that exciting side of you and then when things get serious they want you to stop working you stop working you get poor they're not paying your bills and then they turn out to be a bit of a dick anyway so you just get poor and heartbroken that's big sweeping umbrella statement but that's

what it's been like in my case I've always struggled with dating and relationships to be honest which is why I'm a great escort because it's the intimacy I can handle a couple of hours here and there at night I'm done and I think at my age as well my late 40s I like my own time so it really suits my lifestyle at the moment I'm not ruling out a relationship but I'm not going to give up my job again for a man I've made that mistake and it just doesn't work and a lot of women in my in my position have done the same it doesn't work you give it up you get resentful and you always end up going back you know when I'm ready to stop working and that that's going to be happening soon I think when I'm ready to stop working then I would be open to meeting

someone but I'm not gonna make the mistake I have in the past I think that's important in any industry as well like I remember I've given like personally I've given up things in the past for a man and things that I had really really wanted to do I put them on hold because I thought it was love and that's what you do and I remember just saying I will never fucking do that again like what a waste of my two years of my life it doesn't have you don't have to be an escort to do that I think you know you shouldn't have to give up anything to be with someone they meet you as you are you know obviously there's a you evolve but and I completely understand why a man would want me to stop working but it's unrealistic and for me to give up work on a whim because I've met

someone and I still the bills haven't changed my mortgage repayments haven't changed and you know I would never ask anyone else to pay my mortgage for me so yeah it's really tricky I think we do it once then we don't do it again we have spoken quite a bit on this podcast in regards to like how when you have sexual sexual relationships with someone that's when like you can kind of start there and then feelings can develop have you ever been in a situation when you have been working as Samantha and then you've caught the feels for someone who originally started out as a client yes i i have met someone i felt we fell in love um and my second book was called back on top and it describes our relationship yeah we were crazy about each other he was a businessman in melbourne

but again it was it didn't work because he wanted me to stop working yet i didn't trust him and it just didn't work for that it very rarely works when when that happens it's not like the pretty woman scenario where richard gear comes in and sweeps you off your feet it's it's more complex than that it didn't end too well but uh yeah it was a very passionate relationship but it's how a lot of women do fall in love with clients and vice versa the clients fall in love with who they think you are we're all for one night stands we're all for whatever you want to do but for women i feel like it's different to for men when you start to have sexual relationships you actually almost can't help but to feel something and develop something there's a dopamine here there's

endorphins and whether or not you want to say it like this is no strings attached i feel like after a few times subconsciously it starts to develop so I think that that's absolutely normal but I think it also goes to show that like I mean especially with your work like there would I mean you would have such a higher level of being able to separate these things out I think when you say that Britt you're talking about for like us in our very normal relationships whereas this isn't a normal relationship it's a work relationship and I know that it can be kind of hard for people I mean I even sometimes find it a bit difficult to get my head around and it's because it's a world that I've never been exposed to but you must be able to walk into these experiences

and see some of them quite transactionally do you ever find it hard to separate your personal world from the Samantha world or is it something that you've just been doing so long now that you kind of go cool they are so separate to each other I've been doing it so long now I find it very easy to disconnect from it you know the thing I find hard now is to reconnect when I'm with normal normal people yeah I mean I can see a client and then he said oh do you remember we saw each other you know 10 years and I just won't remember I do you know what there's some guys who I dated and they'll say hey we dated 10 years ago I don't fucking remember who you are legitimately that happens to me too or like I'll walk around Sydney or Bondi or something and I'll see someone I was

like did we go on a date or did I just stalk you on Instagram or did I see you on Tinder I don't remember which one it is Samantha I have a question which is around OnlyFans I mean we've spoken about OnlyFans on the podcast before it seems like you know it is gaining a lot of momentum have you found that OnlyFans has affected or changed your industry at all and if so in what ways look I don't really I mean I have an OnlyFans account it's very tame but no it hasn't because the men in my experience the men that see me aren't looking for an online connection they want a physical connection and a human connection but OnlyFans is going gangbusters you know I know women that make a lot of money from it but it's not really a world i know too much about and we have it for our angels we have

samantha x after dark only fans but uh yeah it's a world i don't know too much about because of my age as well i'm not comfortable with online stuff i don't trust it but i'm more um i'm more a human person talk to me about samantha x angels and what that comprises and samantha x after dark so samantha x after dark is our business so we have an advertising platform for male escorts for female escorts we sell lingerie and sex toys and we have the agency so we have women that work for us as escorts obviously during lockdown it was all we had to shut so the thing that did really well was the online sales so lingerie and sex toys went through the roof during covid but um yeah we have women that work for us and you know we train them how do you make sure that you guys

prioritize safety i guess that this is probably one of the things that would be a big fear when you go and I mean it's a big fear with online dating it's a big fear when you meet people in a private situation where you've you know you don't know them apart from an online connection how do you prioritize your own safety but also people's safety who work for you under Samantha X after dark well it's probably safer than online dating you know we check their phone number against an app we check their phone numbers with other women if we need to other girls in the industry we get a real idea of who they are we are sometimes we ask them to pay deposits so we have their bank details. We don't get all that on Tinder. And also I take the bookings for the

angels, myself and my business partner, Vanessa, and we know exactly what we're looking for. And we know exactly the kind of client we want. We say no to a lot of clients. So we do our due diligence and I would never send a girl to see a client that I wouldn't see myself. So we have never touched wood, had an issue. I always say to the women, the men are more terrified and they are, they're absolutely terrified when you turn up. I guess another question that I had, which I'm curious about is safety around STIs. What do you do with your clients or how do you manage your own sexual health when it comes to having several different clients or, you know, making sure that that's something that's a priority, I guess? Well, I get tested every three months. I know

the girls do too. I've never caught cold off a client, obviously condoms we use. And so it would probably safer than the average woman who, if you meet at a bar and you have unprotected sex, blah blah blah i don't know i don't do that but the clients obviously are very particular as well they don't want to catch anything or get anyone pregnant i've never had to be in a situation really where i've said to a client what's that thing on your dick and i know there are girls that have been and they just don't see the client you know it's amazing though men don't care they actually don't care it's it's amazing what if they had something on their dick they don't care they still just try and wham bam thank you ma'am some will try and oh do we have to use a condom

I'm like don't you care I might have something I don't you care I might get pregnant I might they just don't care yeah no I mean it's a very safe industry in that way sex workers are probably the safest women you could have sex with because uh they get tested all the time in terms of you saying that you train your angels and obviously I mean I guess it's like any job that you want to train people on the job and they you want them to understand your business and your industry what does training look like for you guys in the industry is it more I mean are you actually saying what to do in the bedroom or is it more how to manage the men and speak to them or what talk me through that no I mean I don't discuss sex at all really with the girls you know what

goes on in the bedroom is their business it's nothing to do with me I've never once I don't think I've ever talked about blowjobs or anything for girls it's more to do with how to dress you know the logistics of how to get the client to the hotel room the money that you know if he bays by credit card the logistics of that or how to greet him in public i also speak to him about if something doesn't feel right when you walk into the room walk out you know we always have your back you will never have to justify to us we're always on her side always always always never on you know we're always going to take our woman's side and these aren't i'm not talking about 18 year old girls we're talking about 35 45 50 year old women here you know they've there are we don't

employ young girls etiquette what to wear what not to wear and what to wear is usually corporate That's interesting. And do you think that older women or more mature women more requested and in demand than younger women? A hundred percent. The biggest request we have is for women over 40. What the men tell me is they want someone they can talk to. They want someone with life experience,

you know, which goes to my point that it's not about having the perfect body and not about, you know, being sexual. It's about life experience, about warmth. It's about compassion. These are things that are of women as we age or human as we age, we get more of. Being around the block a few times

to know how to make someone feel comfortable. and for women that age it's not one bang get out so i can go with my mates it's like you know the women are enjoying it too you can bring more to the table i think and i think men feel more comfortable are there a lot of public profiles in australia athletes or people we would know that use your services well i can never give names obviously um we have uh we have a hollywood celebrity that huge a huge hollywood celebrity that comes when he comes to town he books my girls and i can't say too much about him except that he was heating mcdonald's up in the microwave why why on earth would he be doing this well because it doesn't matter how much money someone

can have the best hotel in australia probably with the best access to the best food and wine well they had to bring a microwave to his suite so he could heat up his big mac oh my god this is amazing i wish we could know names we want to move on to sobriety now you are sober you have been sober for a little while. I'm not exactly sure how long. So tell us about that. When did you decide to go sober and why? Because I was getting past the stage where it was just a few drinks. I wasn't drinking in the morning or anything like that, but it was becoming a problem for me in the way that my life was unraveling a little bit. And I wasn't really in control of myself when I was drinking. And it was very much the champagne lifestyle. It wasn't going to end

up well so I was very lucky to nip it in the bud and I'm part of a 12-step program and it's the best thing I ever did getting sober was the best and the hardest thing I've ever done writing a book about being an escort and coming out to Australia was nothing compared to getting sober so yeah I've been sober for more or less on and off a few years now it's the best thing I ever did yeah did you find that you had to drink or you felt like you needed to drink before you went to see a client was that part of it no no I didn't need to drink before a job but I would always drink on the job and have a glass of wine but the thing is a glass of wine turns into a bottle of wine do that five times a week you know it's a lot of alcohol and I can't handle my alcohol I

could never handle it the best of times and then I would hold it together for the client and then come home and drink or just use alcohol in a way that wasn't healthy did you find at all that when you were drinking it impacted your ability to make good decisions when you were in that environment so when you were escorting did you find that you would wake up the next day and be like fuck I really wish I didn't do that or I didn't say that or you know because I know that like for myself when I was drinking my 20s the biggest part of it for me was waking up with alcohol guilt and feeling like the things I'd done the night before I was I felt shameful for I was embarrassed about was that something that you were dealing with as well enormously yeah and I was it wasn't

so much what I was doing it was a feeling you know feeling disgusting feeling worthless feeling shameful in my real life as well so I really struggled with that and took me to some dark places some very dark places making the decision to go sober wasn't really all my decision my friends were really worried about me and you know if I say if you don't think you have a problem with alcohol try giving up and when I since I've given up my life has completely changed inside out even the way I look has changed my skin I'm definitely more grounded now I shudder at some of the things I said or I did it's more than a cringe it's a mortification that I said some of those things but we do live in such a culture and such a society that we're heroes social drinking

it makes it so hard even just going out with friends and I think a lot of the time it's unintentional peer pressure as well, where people are like, oh, just have one drink because nobody wants to be the one drinking on their own. So you always want your friend to have a glass of wine with you. And that can be the thing that adds to people's pressure around moderation. I think like for a lot of people, moderation doesn't exist. When you say it was harder, it was harder to go sober than what it was to come out as an escort, publicly come out as an escort. Why? What was that what was it that made it so hard to give up well when you stop drinking you have to deal with the problems that cause you to drink in the first place you will you rip the band-aid off and

you think well I can either work through this or I can carry on masking it and when you work through the pain that you felt or feel that masks the reasons why you drank that that's really challenging and the easiest thing to do would be to start drinking again and alcohol is everywhere everywhere so saying no to that takes a lot of strength but to me I just play it forward if I say yes to that drink two weeks later I'll be back to where I was and I just don't want to be in that sad place it wasn't going to end up well it was not going to end up well thank you so much for coming on today Samantha I could literally speak to you for hours ready maybe you should book me for a few hours and there's that savvy businesswoman I love it Samantha thank you so much for coming for being

a part of life on cart for sharing your story and it's just been a pleasure interviewing you there's so much about the world that you work in that for brit and i we both it's so foreign to us and then you've definitely destigmatized a lot of things for us today as well so we greatly appreciate it thanks or if you are looking for a career change let me know matt we're gonna make a thousand three hundred dollars a night let's go i really appreciate that thanks samantha it is time for our second favorite part actually it's like a third favorite part everything's our favorite part of this episode where we talk about our suck and our sweet now

suck and our sweet is just our highlight and our low light of each and every week and if you guys aren't doing this with your friends or your family we highly recommend it's such a nice way of unpacking the week that's just been and figuring out what's something that you're super grateful for and something that you wish fucking didn't happen. I actually did this with my nephew this week. He's two and he said that his favorite part of his suite of the week was that he played in the sandbox with his friend at preschool. I love it. I'm absolutely here for it, but I'll kick start it. My suck of the week was that I have come up to the Gold Coast and I'm just here for a few days and I was catching up with my best friend. And I'm my best friend since we were five years

old. So we have been best friends for a very long time. I haven't seen her for a very long time. so we booked a dinner me sherry and her we got to the dinner i was so excited we'd ordered one drink we were just about to order the food when she gets a phone call that one of her little babies she's got two little kids one of them was so sick that she had to go home so our catch-up lasted for i mean the drink only just came she sculled the drink and then she had to leave so that was definitely my suck was that you know after years of not catching up we finally got the chance but her little one got sick so definitely might suck I mean that's life isn't it oh man I feel sorry for her first thing I'm going to say this I hate that every time you say anything negative about

motherhood as a mum you always feel like you need to preface it with like oh motherhood has so many great things but it's also has these really trying and challenging times of course as mums we're grateful for all the great things but there are definitely times where you just think god man I I wish that life was a little bit less complicated and I got to just be selfish for a day and I got to just take care of me you know I feel sorry for her oh no I felt way more sorry for her than me like she ended up in the hospital all night her little kid had she had to go on a nebulizer and it was really bad um but yeah like the suck wasn't really for me the suck was like obviously I couldn't see her but yeah that night for her was disaster like I got to go home alone and she had

to go spend it in a hospital so oh man really pulled out the suck there Brittany how's your sweet yeah well like usually I don't have sucks usually they're so stupid like I stubbed my toe but this was a big one yeah my sweet is also the fact the same thing basically in reverse that I am up here I did get to see Sherry I got to see my brother who I haven't seen in over a year my nephew who's only so small he barely recognizes me because I haven't seen him in over a year so just the fact that I got to reconnect which was really nice I think that that is going to be the sweet for so many people this week and the next like like the next month just feeling like all of these things all of these connections that have had to happen over zoom for the past

four months or the past two years just being able to see people and touch people in real life is so fulfilling and amazing my suck for the week I've had the fucking best week and I'm like not even afraid to shout it out okay my suck for the week was so benign so nothing I bought a coffee from the coffee shop that I love and they didn't put the lid on it properly and it spilled all through my car and all down my clothes the other day very entertaining that's a huge suck that is huge I'm like the one person I get so excited about my morning coffee it's like my one little treat and it was like it did me dirty okay but my sweet I have so many of them last week was a huge week for Tony May we launched a new collection and nothing like got set on fire or broke down or

everything just went went well love that well yeah sometimes it can be so anticlimactic because you can put so much time and energy and effort into something and then it doesn't turn out how you expect but it was really fulfilling to be able to kind of get that out into the world then my other huge sweet which is like by far the biggest one was that I got to see my mum and my stepdad on the weekend I haven't seen them for months and months and months they haven't seen Lola since she was two months old and she's now eight months so it was huge for us and you know it was just so nice being able to be together as a family it meant the absolute world to me so that is my suck and my sweet the suck is pretty trivial but the sweets were really big highs this

week yeah and like you just said those sweets is going to be everyone everyone is going to start to feel that the coming weeks and the coming months and I'm so excited for everyone to have that we're so happy for you guys like honestly for every single person who's been struggling through this lockdown I just I honestly can't be more happy for all of you for us as well but like for all of you I know how many people in our Life Uncut community have been doing it tough and have been really missing seeing their friends and family so I'm so stoked for you guys as well we hope you guys loved today's episode we really did and keep your accidentally unfiltered your confessionals or anything else that happens to you, you're Ask Uncut. Keep everything sliding

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