Life Uncut - INSIDE THE MANOSPHERE - We Have Thoughts!

Episode Date: March 17, 2026

Hey Lifers!Britt has had a bit of a morning. Laura feels like she’s been on a bender from a lack of sleep but she may have found a solution (to knowing how much sleep she’s getting rather than actually getting more sleep). We have a particularly candid chat about botox and Britt shares the most recent embarrassing situation that she’s gotten herself into. We all watched a documentary this week that has left a lot of the world quite shocked about the realities of the content being shared amongst young men. It’s the new Louis Theroux: Inside the Manosphere on Netflix, and it’s exactly what the title suggests; Louis Theroux diving into the online world of influencers who are shaping how a lot of young men think about masculinity, dating and women. We speak about: Why so many young men drawn to these ideas about masculinity, power and women The Manosphere is a huge grift The algorithm is partly to blame The ludicrous amount of contradictions they make Who the doco was actually made for You can watch us on Youtube Find us on Instagram Join us on tiktok Or join the Facebook Discussion Group Hosted by Britt Hockley & Laura Byrne Produced by Keeshia Pettit Video Produced by Vanessa Beckford & Lachy Pugsley Tell your mum, tell your dad, tell your dog, tell your friend and share the love because WE LOVE LOVE! XxSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hi guys and welcome back to another episode of Life Uncut. I'm Brittany. I'm Laura. I need to tell you why I was five minutes late today. You didn't even notice. You were in the toilet. It wasn't the toilet. That made me seven minutes late. This morning I was trying to get out the door. I was fully dressed and I had a long sleeve shirt on and I had my hair out and like a nice really nice wave in it.

And as I was leaving, I looked into my bathtub and I saw that a poor little, stay with me Luz. Where is this going? I know, you've got to stay with me. I saw in my bathtub as I was running out the door that a little moth had died and it had fallen into the bathtub

and then because the moth had died overnight, like And 200 ants had come into, I don't know where they came from. They were grieving. I don't know. No, I don't know. It was a funeral procession. I dare you.

They were like, I honestly do not know where it was. It was like a whole ant hill in my bathtub. And I was like, wow, that's crazy. 200 ants. Anyway, so I was. And you sat there and counted them all. Yeah. That's why you were late.

That's why I was late, yes. So I was like far out because I have someone coming to my house today. And so I was trying to make it clean. So I was like, I don't have time. Who? I need to know. Riddle me this. So I didn't have time. So I turned, I leaned over to turn, I have one of those bathtubs that's like,

it's a bathtub and a shower. So you've got the shower head and then you've got the bathtub. So in my, I was rushing. So I leaned over to turn the bath tap on so that I could wash it down the drain. But my whole body was in there and I turned the shower on and I just soaked my whole body. all my clothes all my hair I was like fuck my actual life I was soaking wet and I was like man I've got to get out the door in two minutes I just blow-dried my hair I'd had a curl in it anyway so that was why I was late today well to be fair we both arrived at the same time and I don't have that excuse I three kids no Poppy's sick you know how back in the day you would show up to work after a bender like you'd be out all night partying haven't slept again why do you look

at me when you say that and then you'd show up I did it twice okay let a girl I'm pretty sure you've done it since you worked for us you're like god there was one time I remember I didn't go to sleep it was when the world cup was on and all of my friends went and I went and watched this remember how they were on at like three o'clock in the morning it was really fun and it got to six o'clock and I was like holy shit I need to go to work at least you showed up for work remember that time where I called in sick yeah I do because I had to do an interview on my own with like two minutes notice laura's like i'm hungover as fuck you're on your own it was after the podcast awards yeah it was podcast awards many years ago it was the one

and only time that brit had to do a completely solo interview but i remember it being a hard one some of them you're like piece of cake and i remember it being like this isn't the one i want to do on my own probably should have cancelled it all right well look i have shown up to work today and i just want to warn everyone i have shown up to work today after doing a bender i have not slept i have not slept i reckon i probably got about maybe two and a half hours through the whole night because poppy is sick and she would only sleep on me sitting upright and the whole time she was like this and then if she wasn't making that noise she was crying so that was my entire night from about 11 o'clock last night anyway this is my warning i am on a bender

and i haven't slept but currently currently she's yeah she's being taken care of by someone else while I'm here hallucinating doing a podcast. Well, I'm glad you showed up. You do not look like you haven't slept. Oh, it's the Botox appointment I missed. Thank you. Oh, yeah, Laura finally booked in for Botox. I say finally.

I haven't been asking her to do it. She wanted to do it, but she's like she finally booked in and then she, in true Laura fashion, forgot to pay the deposit, didn't confirm it. She was on the way to the appointment and then cancelled it. So I booked it in and this was my treat. I know some people are going to feel conflicted about this and I'm so glad we've been able to weave breastfeeding

into this at some point but I've stopped right I mentioned that on a couple weeks ago on the episode I finished they've dried up they're like two like empty little sacks now and to celebrate I was like I am going to book myself in to get some Botox because after watching myself on the TV I was traumatized okay I was horrified I saw my natural face in 4D you look great but you're allowed to feel however you want to feel and it is high definition it's actually 4k yeah it's it's ultra high definition it was yeah it was a lot anyway so I booked in and I said to Britt I was like I've booked in to go and get some Botox it's like it's the first time in almost two years and Britt goes you don't need it but I won't tell you not to go I won't talk you out of it I think

that's what a true friend says I was like babe you do not need it but I'm not gonna stop you I was like I won't stop you but this is her name and she's gonna made space for you at 3pm she's really good no just be careful how much you get it i uh they said to me britney like why aren't you more angry on maths i was like i am i just couldn't see it i'm joking do you guys remember that time i got a lip flip yes yes and you couldn't drink out of the straw for anyone who doesn't know a lip flip is it's kind of meant to be an alternative to getting lip filler if you want a little bit more lip without it looking puffy so they put botox in just beneath your nose guys some people are all for the lip flip you just got flipped too much it was the worst decision

I've ever made it was too big of a flip I couldn't drink fluids you couldn't speak probably it fell out of my mouth but don't you remember when Keisha we're always really open with each other but when with the lip flip for some reason I think Keisha was like I'm gonna see if anyone notices anyway she came in she didn't say it and we were like what have you done to your lips and she's like nothing well and she's drinking out of a straw it's just coming back out dribbling And we're like, Kish, we know you've done something and you couldn't even close your lips when you talked. And you're like, I haven't done it.

I don't know how. You know what I hate? I hate it when people are like, you guys promote Botox. I'm like, I actually talk about the few times it's gone wrong more than I talk about the times that it's gone right. So this is my official statement. I'm not promoting it. I'm saying you should be really careful about your choices.

Especially when you shove it into areas that are functional that you need when your job is to talk into a microphone and you can't suck out of a straw i once had one eyebrow same too much same i'll be honest it has been a really long time since i got botox because i didn't have it for a while pre being pregnant with poppy and then like obviously when i was pregnant and haven't had since but i did probably about two years ago i got some and the woman wielded that thing around i walked out with so many bruises and i was like gosh just i think it was a little bit rougher than what it normally is And I just don't know if this, where she put it seems like it was in the same spots as

what I've had it before. And I, seven days after it set in, I just had one Spock eyebrow where it was like one lift, one really surprised eyebrow, really interested by everything everyone said. You look like that emoji, you know how it's got the one eyebrow off. Yeah. And I had like two permanent lines above one eyebrow. Cause it was just like, they said there was nothing I could do to stop it for like weeks. Well, all jokes aside, obviously we, we joke about it.

We do get it. We do get stuff, but we joke about it. Do we? But what I will say is. You don't get anything, Brit. No, I've never had anything. Someone messaged me yesterday, a friend of mine from the dog park. She's like, hey, babes, I'm just wondering, have you tried this kind of a laser?

And I was like. Is the Pope Catholic? I was like, sit down. Does a bear shit in the woods? Does a bear shit in the woods? I was like, have I tried this type of laser? What do you want to know? I was like, wrote this list.

I was like, I've tried it all. but what I will say in all seriousness is for that exact reason it is so important if you're going to get something that you go somewhere that you know is good you need to look at their reviews you need to look at their qualifications like you can't just go willy-nilly or you'll end up like Laura yeah I mean I'm not against a Groupon so like if you want to get some Groupon Botox I'll share with you if you got a two for going hit me up hey as much as I hate to take you back to the ant funeral but that did remind me of another story I know there's a lot of bathroom content this wasn't planned but you've just made me think of something that happened with ben that

was so funny to me so ben and i as you guys know we live on other sides of the world if you if you are new to the podcast my husband lives in europe so we spend a lot of time on the phone we're facetiming all the time now there's been an update on i don't know if it's whatsapp update the phone update or facetime update like i don't know if it's a new phone thing because i do have the new phone. So we FaceTime and we'll FaceTime for hours, but we just exist. We just do go about our life. And if we need to go to the bathroom or the toilet, we just go. So I will say to Ben, even if it's number two, I'll say, go into the toilet and I will turn the microphone off. And I have the sticky thing on the back of my phone. So I just stick my phone around wherever, you

know, like you just go in. So if we're in the kitchen, I stick it on the kitchen wall and I'll go to the fridge and I'll cook whatever. If I go to the bathroom, if I'm doing my makeup and he's on the phone. I stick it to the mirror. But we're talking like you'll stick it to the mirror and it's like, like mid up, but you're not just sitting there full view of the toilet, sitting on the toilet having a chat. No, exactly. I will never have it on the toilet. Like never, but we don't hang up the phone. This is the crucial piece of information. So that's fine. I think a lot of people, do you know what? Some people will do it, but they'll risk it. They'll like just mute themselves when they're doing anything that's slightly audible, but they'll be on the toilet.

That's me. Okay. I'm admitting it. That's what I do. I've taken you all to the toilet before. number one's number twos I've had work meetings on that toilet I'm all doing I'm not stopping my life anyway so I take all the microphones off I was like babe go into the toilet and so I stick my phone onto the mirror and it's like probably a meter and a half to the left is where the toilet is so like I've stuck it purposely so he can't see then I've gone to sit on the toilet gone to the toilet having a great time look down I see that there's an ingrown hair I'm like trying to trying to squeeze the ingrown hair and I'm just doing what you would do in your private time on the toilet then I look back up and I realize on the update it's got tracking on the FaceTime

so wherever I'm moving to the room the fucking camera just face tracked and I didn't look up so Ben was watching me on the toilet it was watching me the whole time so I've like squeezed his ingrown hair i looked up going to wipe and i look at him and he's looking straight at me in hysterics and i was like i was like what and he's like i was like you need to look away right now anyway i got up and turned on i was like why didn't you tell me it was tracking he's like you muted the phone call he was like he's like britney i was like we could have looked away no it's like it's like a car crash your car you've got to watch it feels like you know that seen in bridesmaid where she's like shitting in the street don't look at me i was like why why

but that's my psa guys the new update that camera tracks you it tracks you anywhere you go in that room what is this the new ios update i don't that's what i'm saying i don't know if it's the phone i need because i have the new phone or i don't know if my whatsapp has a new update but the camera will track you so it'll find you that sounds like my children the other day i was going to the toilet i'm sorry i know no one cares about toilet chat but like we're here we've arrived at the destination i'm gonna update you so like parents will relate to this like when you have small kids you never spend any time on your own like i actually don't remember the last time that i went to the bathroom with all my kids in the house and it didn't end up with one of them

coming in to tell me something to tell me an update this is also for poor rents who have clingy dogs i don't think it's the same i can no longer go to the bathroom without company i like that I thought you meant it was like for poor parents I was like what oh dear yes well look the other day because we have a very full house right because obviously it's three kids and Ellie and Matt and myself and the house is not particularly big every single room has humans in it at all times yeah so the downstairs is just a kitchen and a combined lounge room area and then there's Ellie's bedroom and a bathroom and that main bathroom is really Ellie's bathroom because there's not you know it's hers right but it's only the only bathroom downstairs but that's

the problem right she doesn't have another bathroom to use that's the main bathroom it's also the bathroom on the way to the front door so it's like the bathroom that's within a thorough fare of our house it's her bathroom but it's also anyone that actually needs to go when you're on the bottom floor yeah absolutely okay so anyway i needed to go to the toilet i needed to do a number two and it was about four o'clock in the afternoon so i went into the bathroom unusual poo time yeah don't hit me you never know what it's gonna hit you i go into the bathroom i shut the door i sit down amid going to the toilet. Actually, I think it actually came as a surprise. I don't think I needed to do a number two until I arrived at the destination. Here we were. Anyway, at the same

time, I start to hear Buster barking and then I hear Lola running down the hallway and I was like, oh fuck, here it comes. Lola swings the door open to ask me about something. No, she wanted to show me the headband that she'd made. So that's great. So we're having a chat about the headband. But the reason why the dog's barking is because at the same time, the Uber delivery guy rocks up. So he's in my doorway with the door to the bathroom. It's only two meters from the door, wide open with me doing a shit ellie walks down to go and get the uber and give him the number by then marley comes down to see what's going i have the dog ellie an uber guy and no one would shut the door and so what did i have to do snap it off no with my pants down

around my ankles i had to waddle over to the door close it and waddle back over after screaming at my entire family and i sat there and i was like this is the realities of being a parent these are those humbling moments where you're like why why why why did I put a lock on this door they don't yeah actually it's true we have that anyway do you know what something I wanted to talk about it comes off what we spoke about last week I think it was 40th birthday okay so it's my 40th in less than two weeks and I'm very excited about it I think my 40s is going to be like my time to shine I feel really like I'm stepping into a new era of me I mean I think you've shined in your thirties. I think you're shiny. I'm going to shine brighter. It's going to be like a bowling

ball. Is that a full moon? No, it's more. My forehead is going to be so shiny guys in my forties. So I'm stepping into my forties and I decided everyone's been asking me what I wanted for my 40th birthday. I haven't known what I wanted as a present, but I bought myself a present. I bought myself a full health scan. Stepping into my 40s, I'm getting a DEXA scan, whatever the hell that's called. That's like bone density. I'm getting like the full MRI body scan. Do you want to know what DEXA stands for?

No. Yep. Dual Energy X-Ray Absorptometry. So what does it do? Exactly. Bone density. It checks your bone density to make sure you've got enough vitamin D. Make sure you're eating your cheese.

Make sure that you're eating enough calcium. So I had this existential life crisis on the weekend and you guys know that I love to do an impulse Facebook purchase. it's one of my it's one of my favorite things i think i had a code i know britney britney health 20 plus 20 20 off no i got served an ad around it and i was like do you know what that's what i need but then the problem is i got so sucked into the marketing funnel that i kept on adding on and now i'm going for a full health everything scan they're gonna scan everything from my hair follicles to my asshole i think i've got a colonoscopy book oh shut up i'm doing everything did you actually

add a colonoscopy on. I'm back at it everything. I didn't do that. I didn't do that. I was like I think I had a state a moment of paranoia where I was like everyone's people's health seemed to be going downhill rapidly. There's been so many scare moments recently where I've heard of people having these horrible health things happen and I was like I must scan every inch of my body and then wait for it and then I bought an aura ring. I don't know what happened. Laura is having a crisis. I don't know what happened. But also we've also been asking you what we could get you as a gift for months and then she bloody just she goes and buys it for herself you want to know how much you're not sleeping well this is the problem right so i

was talking to matt's sister on the weekend and i was like hey so last night i really went whole hog i went and bought all the health stuff i'm gonna start tracking my sleep i'm gonna start tracking all my health stats and she goes why it's not like you're gonna do anything about it anyway you're gonna be happy with the result i was like fair but sometimes i think it's worse sometimes i think when you for you for example like you're tracking your sleep you know you're not sleeping you know you're up in the night with kids and stuff you know how you feel the next day but sometimes I think when you look at data on it and it's like oh you've been in the red zone for 19 hours like you've slept 25 minutes why is yours American I just feel like it's such an American

thing you know like my my health voice is American like my fuck you voice is American it's like fuck you you're not sleeping yeah I feel like it's American but I just wonder if what that does mentally to you is make it worse because now you have the data to be like oh my god I've only slept 20 minutes in my restorative phase of sleep like I'm screwed as opposed to just going off how you feel I don't know sometimes I wonder if having that data in a situation like yours which is dire if it's worse the problem is is I feel pretty deranged at the moment in general so at least I'd have the data to prove it and be like oh it's not just me I'm not losing my mind I'm actually just so beyond sleep deprived it's okay because you only have it for a week and you'll need it

then you can buy me a new one I want a clean slate going into my 40s I want to know what it is that i'm working with so i bought it all i kind of feel like you're coming over to my side of the sleep recommendations i feel like you're getting into my aura of like trying to maximize sleep i've got a new one it's not just sleep though it's the most woo-woo i've done what is it i wasn't going to talk about and here we are we've arrived at the destination is it the map okay i need to preface this and say this is not scientifically backed the science on this is not robust this was a choice keisha's like you run naked through the woods on all hands and probably be good for your cardiovascular health are you finally using the sage i bought you

no no i've not used the sage i did however purchase a grounding mat do you guys know what grounding is i do roll from your shopping mat to the grounding mat how do you do this she rolls from a special mattress to the spiky mat to the grounding mat so grounding is something that actually happens to us naturally the earth obviously has like a magnetic field where remember Remember I tried to ground and I stepped on the needle. So apparently we used to get the benefits of grounding because we used to walk around without shoes on and all that kind of thing. Well, some of us still do.

We don't get enough outdoor time. You know, we're all worried about skin cancer and all that kind of thing. Fair. So they have developed, and by they I mean the people who are into grounding, have developed things like mats and mattress protectors that conduct these things from your body and you plug it into your wall socket. It doesn't have the, like, alternative current, you know, the sideways bits in Australia. If you're listening internationally, I'm sorry, your power is a bit different to ours.

It's only got the one at the bottom that plugs into grounding. I've had it for two weeks, guys. I've never slept better. You've been scammed. I've never slept better in my life. I think I'm grounded. What is it supposed to do? It's supposed to, like, something to do with removing certain charges from your body.

Mate, you don't even know what it does. You got sucked in. it guys i had a friend stay over the other day and she's really into my sleep recommendations and i was like i have to tell you before you sleep on the bed there's an additional thing on there compared to the last time that you stayed over i want to know how you go with it and she asked me for a link because she also said she slept so well oh look i'm not gonna pass judgment i am the person who just bought an aura ring and also spent all my money paying for scans i don't need but do you want me to get you a grounding mat no i don't want that maybe that's what we

can get it for a birthday. I don't want that. Well, today we wanted to bring you a discussion that we have been having privately amongst ourselves as friends and that I think literally the whole world is having. You guys have probably seen the new documentary on Netflix. It's number one. It's Louis Theroux inside the manosphere. Now, a couple of weeks ago, we spoke about looks maxing, which if you missed that episode, it's about young men that feel like they have been sucked into the manosphere and they have to their whole value of themselves is based on their looks their bone chiseling their face they're taking drugs to look better they think that the only way to succeed in life is if they look great and can win women after we did that discussion we had

a woman yeah i won a woman but pretty much that's the way they look at women like they we don't have a value to them and after that discussion so many people slid into the dms that were really interested in us continuing these conversations. And then Louis Theroux, as he always does, came through with the goods and dropped this documentary. Now, this documentary, Inside the Manosphere, we've got a minute of it to play for you in case you haven't seen it yet or haven't read about it yet. But it's, I guess, taking a deep dive into these terms that you might have heard like red pill, alpha male, high value men. Basically, it focuses on four huge players in the manosphere world he will follow them around individually to gain an insight into the content

they're putting out their belief systems and the impact they're having on the next generation a man who's not dangerous will never be seen as successful he can't be a little bitch man against women that's a tap on masculinity if your bitch is going to a club when you say no destroy her fucking life a few years ago i noticed that parts of the internet were being taken over Yo, a lot of you need to wake up! Wake up! By a collection of male influencers. We're like the last stand against this fucking bullshit that's going on.

They claimed to be giving young men the cheat codes to win at life. You'll make 6,000 pounds before I get out of bed this morning. They had millions of followers. They boasted about having access at the highest levels of power. Donald Trump is the future of the Western world. He's a good friend of mine. I'm going to help him. I became curious why some of them held such extreme beliefs. There is a war on men being strong.

And whether they really were what they seemed. I've now personally fucked 2,000 women, which is quite an accomplishment. They were deeply mistrustful of mainstream media. But after months of effort, I'd managed to find a way inside the new world of men who are redefining what it means to be a man. What happened to the days when influencers used to just sell us green kale shakes and skincare routines? Honestly, I want some hyaluronic acid and to unsubscribe out of this shit.

Well, Louis goes to places like Miami, New York, Marbella, and there's four key figures, as I said, Sneeko, Myron Gaines, Justin Waller, and my personal favorite, HS Tiki Toki. Obviously, we've spoken about these concepts quite a bit And like the whole theory around red pill and like incel chat is not something that is particularly new. I mean, it's been circulating for quite some time.

It's been gaining loads of traction. A few years ago, all the focus was on Andrew Tate. Now it's kind of become more, I guess, commercialized and more palatable in mainstream. But I found this documentary really interesting. And before we kind of unpack like the parts of it that are either problematic or the things that we thought about it. I fucking love the way that Louis Theroux interviews. I love it because why is the best and it's why it's so easy to watch and it's so palatable, but it's also easy to watch by everyone because he's not aggressive. He's not yelling at people. He's not in there telling them

that their views are wrong and that they're the problem. And by doing that, he gains the most access to these people in a way that's not defensive, but his interview style, if you're someone who loves Louis Theroux, the way he does things is he asks questions and gives enough space for the people who are answering those questions to hang themselves in their ridiculous contradictions. He doesn't have to do much. He doesn't in this case. There's been a lot of commentary online around whether or not he went hard enough on these people. But the thing is, it's not his job to go hard. He's there to simply ask the questions and for us as the viewers to come up with how we feel or the answers around it. The only thing that I thought was quite

different about this from some of the other documentaries that he's created and some of his other interviews is that I do think that this is a world that feels completely foreign to him as someone who comes from mainstream traditional media. And what you will see if you've watched the doco is that as the TV crew are filming these interviews, which obviously take months to put together a Netflix documentary, you know, the people that he's interviewing, so HS Tiki Toki, who is from the online world of social media, of fast 60-second viral clips. It was like interviewing the interviewer. He was cutting down the clips in such fast succession

that the documentary had already made it online, but from H.S. Tiki-Toki's perspective. And it was almost as though in that very first perception of the world that H.S. Tiki-Toki got the upper hand on Louis Theroux. Like it was really interesting how it was reverse engineered in that way. We'd never seen that before. I think the main content creator that we have spoken about and that also got the most airtime was this HS Tiki Toki. But as you said, there were quite a few of them, but they all seem to be

the same breed. You know, they all seem to be positioning themselves as mentors or success coaches, but their content all centers around like every single one of them. It focuses on hyper-masculinity. There seems to be a physical aspect to it, like a fitness and what you look like aspect looks maxing yeah there's the alpha male culture there's how to make money quick you know how to kind of get to the top by yourself and every single one of them have problems with women and I think that the main question every single person around the world was left asking was like why are so many young men being drawn to this type of content about masculinity about power and about women I believe there is a huge part of these men that are just grifters it is just a pyramid scheme

and they say the most controversial things. They say homophobic slurs, they're anti-Semitic, they're openly like spewing hate on the streets, online. But then there'll be moments where HS Tiki Toki, for example, says I'm not actually homophobic even though he says he'll disown his son if he's gay. I mean he is homophobic. Yeah, that is homophobic.

But he'll say things like, oh, I don't actually believe anything I'm saying or you think I believe everything that I say? This is a money-making scheme. he's like I am a businessman I want to be rich I want to live my best life and the way to do that is to put content out there that is going to garner outrage because that leads to sales and that leads to money and a rich life for me we're just trying to make content and trying to think of a way how we could make money I went from zero to making about a thousand pounds a day overnight on what fitness plans fitness programs made a thousand pound a day within two weeks was

like, right, I'm going to go to Marbella and try and stream and become big, 1,000, 3,000 pounds a day, and then it just went up. That's what it was. So you were a salesman at that point? I've always been a salesman. I'm a salesman now. Sales is the most important skill you can have. You're never going to be ultra successful if you can't sell. Does the term matrix mean anything to you? The system, higher powers, the colluding powers at the top of the world that want to keep everyone down, keep everyone broke, keep the slave mindset going, yeah. Is that real? Is that a real thing?

Of course it's real. Of course it's real. The people at the top of the world, why would they want people below them to make a load of money and not serve them? It doesn't make sense. When you say those things, I think surely there are millions of young boys that are watching this because his content goes to audiences ranging from like 13 upwards.

There's really young, impressionable boys watching this. Surely there are kids now watching this that are like, oh, he's openly just saying he's taking my money. Yeah, because they're kids. like well it doesn't just have to be 13 year old but there will one there has to be 100 there has to be a flow-on effect of this where there are even grown men that are like oh up until this moment i've never actually seen them admit that they don't believe half the stuff they're saying that it is just money i i guess one of the things that's most surprising to me is i mean hey just

tiki-toki i'm sure most people prior to this doco who are part of our audience sphere like you guys Probably never heard of the guy, right? Why would you? And unless you've watched Manosphere, you probably have no fucking clue who any of these four people are. You would never come in contact with their content. You are not their target market. Neither am I. Surprise, surprise. The one exception to that for me was Justin Waller. When I saw him, I was like, you look really familiar. And it's because he has a business with Andrew Tate. They have a course and coaching program that you can sign up to for as little as $50 a month. Yeah. But even with that, the reason why you've come into contact with that,

Keish is because we have done research on these topics for this podcast. I would say that the majority of our audience, these are not content creators that would even be served to them within the algorithm. What I found really dangerous, but also simultaneously incredibly impressive is the fact that HS Tiki Toki is 24 years old and he has just used this model of being an influencer. And I guess like we've had female influencers in the space for forever. We've had women influencers who are 20 year old, 22 year old, super successful, super aspirational and young girls have looked up to them and followed them for forever. We haven't necessarily had the like for like when it comes to our male influencers or our male led subcultures. And that's where

this has grown from. So he's 24 years old. He lives in mansions. He's driving ridiculously amazing cars. He's talking about how much money he has, how successful he has, all the women he ever wants that is like gold dust to a young boy who is lonely who doesn't have any luck with women who probably has social anxiety who is questioning where does he fit within the landscape of men versus women and what this content does is it creates women as an instant enemy and by doing that and creating women as an enemy within this self-help packaged whatever it is system that they're selling, it says, listen to you, you can work on yourself, you can be better, but also we have an enemy. And there's so much in this that it's not just the men who subscribe to this that's

the problem. I think it's the algorithm itself. It's Instagram, it's YouTube, it's the social media platforms that have so much to answer for. But because their whole platforms are centered around outrage culture and pushing out anything that gets engagement because you're engaging with the platform because you feel angry, rage baiting content, all of that is what's created, I guess, this intense push of this type of content and these intense rabbit holes that men are able to go down. The only reason why H.S. Tiki Toki is famous and successful is because rage bait content works. Well, that's an interesting point, Laura, because the only reason that this documentary was made by Louis is because of the content that was served on the internet to his sons. So Louis has

three sons. And in COVID, he had never heard of Andrew Tate. Andrew Tate wasn't a really big thing that was everywhere yet, right? And so COVID happens, everyone's at home, his three sons are spending more time on the internet. He starts hearing the name Andrew Tate between his sons being thrown around. Andrew Tate said this, such and such said that. And Louis is like, who is this Andrew Tate guy? Because he was hearing some of the things his son was saying. Now think about how wonderful and intelligent Louis Theroux is. Think of the education he would have given his sons. And he hears these things being spouted at home. So he goes and does a bit of research, finds out who Andrew Tate is, gets sucked into the Manosphere world. And

then obviously Andrew Tate blew up after that, as did the rest of these content creators. And that's when he thought, wow, it's a really big problem here. I know if there's a problem at home in my house right now, I can only imagine what's happening to the rest of the world. And that's where Manosphere came from. Yeah. There's been a lot that's come out recently around how COVID had such a huge impact on this subculture even coming into fruition. Like that COVID itself and having young men be isolated, having them, you know, be able to kind of like get into these subreddit groups and sub gaming culture groups, that that was kind of like the years of which it flourished. The thing that you said about the algorithm, I think is interesting because as we

know, keywords, outrage culture, all of that is rewarded by algorithms. Obviously that means that their content is proliferated. But I think the other reason that they have been successful in turning themselves into these influential figures is because they've actually tapped into very real emotions that young men are feeling. I think that they have tapped into the fact that a lot of them are feeling disposable. They feel like they live in a grind system where we don't value each other. They feel like they can't succeed in the capitalist world. Like there's a whole bit about, you know, working a nine to five and escaping the matrix. And it's all about the concentration of wealth and exploitative labor and and the thing that's insane about it is it's like you're almost

there you're almost there you're almost there you're almost talking about these very real societal issues but then they go and it's women's fault and you're like oh fuck you were so close you were so close to talking about the systems that are actually affecting all of us right now but instead of saying that it's the patriarchy instead of saying that it's this like issue with very very conservative powers you say it's women and I think that that was the part where I was like oh you almost got there because there were parts that I really did agree with there were parts about certain things to do with working for you know the big dogs and them wanting to keep you down and them wanting to keep you poor because that's the only way that they're able to be rich

themselves I was like yes but not because of women do you realize that you're also one of those people like i think that they they speak about the fact that they want to break down these systems without actually having the intellectual capacity to realize that they are adding to the systems there's this real hatred towards women but there's also like a real hatred towards anything that would indicate equality right so they talk about this idea of monogamy but it's called one-sided monogamy and that one-sided monogamy is that the woman is monogamous in a heterosexual relationship because they don't have as high sexual desire but the man is not expected to be monogamous but he'll come home and still be with his wife or partner or whoever this is a really like common theme a lot

of these guys in the manosphere practice one-sided monogamy and i really think you know that quote which is when you're accustomed to privilege equality feels like oppression that's what is the experience in this i think and it's like because women have gained more access more equality more and not even to a place of equality yet but you know more positions within the workforce these men are able to sell a program which is like you're missing out because they're taking more they're capitalizing on false victimhood absolutely and it creates once again and you know and kind of what you said brit this whole idea of like they're salesmen they're selling these programs because they're making an enemy and like if you always have someone so if you've

got like angry lonely men and you're like women are the answer you're guaranteeing that they're going to stay angry lonely men and they're going to keep buying your programs of course if they're happy and making money they're not going to buy your shit are they it's fucking frightening though the whole thing is frightening and it's also the thing that I felt was very I guess like doomsday of this documentary is that there's no resolution to it like often you finish a documentary and you're like oh and that's been packaged up into a nice bow and that's the resolution and that's how we fix this problem no but I think this is the resolution this is supposed to be a conversation starter and everyone is talking about it like everyone I got on the on the phone to Ben this

morning and Ben's like hey I just watched and I didn't tell him we're talking about he's like I just finished watching Manosphere you know as a 34 year old man that lives on his own that he's a good human that isn't in that world and he's watching it and he started a conversation with me and I think that this is the great thing because Ben openly will say and think of the content that we do on this podcast, right? Ben will say, I didn't realize it was so bad. He's like, you know about it and you hear about it and you hear about, you know, some of the things you get clickbaits here and there about what they're spouting. He's like, I did not know the depths that it went to and how bad it was for these young kids. I'd be so interested to know, like you guys listening,

what have been your experiences in your day to day with your like social networks and your friends or your partner's friends or your boyfriend's friends or whoever they are? Like what have been your experiences that have tapped into the manosphere because I think it's easy to think that it's very much like something that it sits it sits on the other side of a wall and it's a problem for other people but I would even say in my experience there's been moments where I'm like oh my god you've been watching too much that fucking red pill shit or you've been listening to too much Stephen Bartlett and I know that we have had Stephen Bartlett on this podcast before but his content has become more and more radicalized because even he has realized that

it gets clicks, it gets views. And that's what he's putting out more of in order to continue to grow. I had a really fascinating conversation that was a fucking eye-opener with someone who I wouldn't have thought would be sucked into this type of content. And we were talking about the Stephen Bartlett thing, which came out, you guys would remember it was a few months ago now. And it was an interview with a guy named Chris Williamson from Modern Wisdom. And he was talking about how there is a large group of men whose genetic DNA will be lost because women aren't having sex with them and reproducing. And I was having this conversation with a friend and he was like, do you know what? I think that there is some validity to this. And I was like,

how? Explain that to me. And he was like, you know, I've got friends. They're fucking great. They're great guys. And they're still single. Like, why are they single? Because women won't give them a chance because the standards are too high. And I was like, whoa, well, how did I end up in this destination of this conversation? But it was so casual. And he isn't someone who I would typically say is misogynistic, has problematic views, but even he had been sucked into the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of what this problem is. And I kind of said to him, totally, but I was, no, there's not, you think our standards are too high, but that's, that's the truth because we can have them high now. All a man used to have to do is have a good job and money

and we needed to have kids and security so we would live with them and we would accept everything else. We don't fucking need that anymore. You need us. This is exactly what I said to him. I was like, I think it's okay if some people's genetic DNA go away. I don't think that it's the great tragedy that men are being led to it being. If you're unable to reproduce because no woman wants to have sex with you that's not a problem on women just so you know and I you know what I'm loving I'm loving the counter content that's coming out at the moment to this manosphere documentary I saw this one yesterday this woman had put out and it was a male voice overlay and it was a video of her with a cat to start with and she was patting her cat it was a bait and switch it started off

and it was like it was like the problem with women today is that they their standards are too high and they will die alone surrounded by amazing friends in their beautifully decorated apartments with pets that are clean belly laughs with clean bathrooms living the time of their lives like and it went through all of these amazing things that this woman has in her life even though she's alone and i really i love the the counter content that's coming out to try and rebalance this manosphere chat yeah the one thing that i think i was left asking is like who is this documentary actually targeted that and I don't even know if I have the answer to that because I think no one who exists in this world which if you're listening to this podcast includes you

I don't think any of us were shocked by oh sorry I don't think any of us were surprised by some of the content that came out of the doco we might have been a bit shocked that it was in such succession to each other but none of us were like oh I had no idea this was happening and so I wonder if like is this targeted at teenage boys who are the ones that are going to be impressionable is it targeted at their parents is it targeted at people in general who might not be aware of this kind of content and that left me questioning like there is a lot of criticism that you guys brought up before about the fact that Louis didn't go hard enough on the fact of this is so damaging to women and I almost wonder if that was very deliberate to make it very palatable and please

hear me out like let me finish that sentence before you cancel me I think as women we have been kicking and screaming about how damaging and how problematic this content is for I would say decades you know at least years and years and years it seems as though people haven't been listening and so do we need for like men haven't listened to women do we need for something to shame these guys to humiliate them like is that actually a bigger driver of general behavior and perception than us showing them and expecting empathy for the plight that this type of stuff puts on women. I think the brilliance of this documentary is that the demographic is so broad. This is hitting people from 13 to 60. It is hitting men and women. And I say that because

you, Keish, just said, you know, we weren't surprised by it. I was. I was utterly shocked at some of the content that they were putting out. What exactly were you shocked by? For example, when they were setting up people to come and meet them and then beating them up horrifically on camera to then get streams i had no idea that these people were going to that level i thought they were just like women hating saying anti-semitic things i thought they were just trying to sell their content i didn't know it was so dark like because that is horrific totally it's a weird crossover between like having these high moralities like the people that they were beating up were people that they were perceived predators so like child sex predators like it's a fucking

the whole world is just it's such a dark dark world of content that it is but i think that's why i think this is so brilliant is because people like us who are educated are seeing something that is not necessarily mainstream be brought to the mainstream men like my husband ben who is a good man, he said, the good thing is no one can watch this and take it seriously. He's like, no one watches and believes these people. And I said, that's where you're wrong, Ben. I said, you can say that because you're a 34 year old man that grew up without the internet that was brought up by women. So you're educated enough not to be sucked into this. I said, but the problem is young men and boys, teenagers are being sucked into this world. But that goes to show me that

there is a plethora of men out there that are of our age and demographic that are educated people that don't believe it's a problem but now they do now they see the content that's putting being put out there then there are mothers and the fathers that are like holy shit that's the stuff that my kids are watching i think he's done a really beautiful job at making it so broad and there's so much outrage around it without him being outraged in the documentary he just poses the question and lets them absolutely unravel the conversations that have come off the back of this from such a broad demo for me is the best part about this documentary it's time for second suite our highlights and our lowlights of the week laura burn suck i'm gonna keep it really

spicy snappy and short poppy being sick suck have not slept in two days big suck thank you for persevering with me while i try and piece together any semblance of a sentence in this episode Keisha's a very good editor yeah I actually didn't say anything um Keisha just pieced together single words and the whole thing is just sound bites and my sweet for the week is going to the RSL club on Saturday night this just shows where my life is at at the moment Saturday night we Saturday afternoon we took the kids we went down to the beach and then I was like you know what let's not cook let's go to the RSL club on the way home North Bondi RSL they've got like a plate equipment there I think I've already talked about on the podcast and there was a live band

i just had such a nice night it's also got the most lit view it's like you're so good looking bond i look at the sunset having a delicious barramundi like it's just all right we got it how was the barramundi cooked no joking delicious had a mango salsa on top with asparagus and rice did your pee smell after asparagus i don't think so i think we've got an interview we're gonna get out for so let's not sit in the p honestly it's was like the absolute highlight of my week it's just sometimes things like that like going to the ari on a saturday night if you told me a year ago that that would be my absolute sweet but like getting out of the house with three kids and still feeling as though i get to have adult time whilst being a mom simultaneously these are the

moments and like specific venues uh that make it really easy and so going to the ari that has like an indoor play equipment where the kids can just go and be feral is honestly my favorite moment the end i'm glad you kept that short and sweet we got the asparagus we got the salsa all right what is yours i can tell you the rest of it you know the sauce no my suck this week is lemon every like every day for last week delilah is stunk right like stunk and i'm like what is wrong with you like so rancid so i have to wash her and then i'm like oh she must have rolled in something this happened every day and i was like something's not right so i had to go through my whole yard anyway there was a dead rat that was like in the corner i don't know how to die delilah didn't kill

But it's been there in the – I've got a lot of mulch and stuff and I didn't know it was there because I've got quite a big yard actually. And she just goes out and rolls in it every single day. She's been rolling in a dead fucking rat. Every day. But I couldn't work it out. You know what's the worst part about that though is when you're like, where's the adult to clean up the dead rat?

Yes, yes. That's the whole thing. And I said that to Ben. That's literally what I said. I said, I'm sick of having to do everything. And he's like, I don't live there, babe. I'm like, I know. Come here and leave the rat up.

I was like, I just want someone to share the load. That's how I felt. Did you air task it? I did. No, I picked it up. Same time there was a possum in the yard. I had to pick that up too. Anyway, my sweet of the week is we had a, with Keisha and a couple of other friends,

we had like a really nice, wholesome dog beach day. It was, we found this like new little cove. It was absolutely beautiful. It was really flat. It was like one of those days where I was like, I can't fault this day. That was my sweet. Was that until Claire got a kick off? We're not going to talk about her nearly dying.

One of my friends nearly died, but whatever. Besides her nearly dying, no, I can't fault it. It was one of those moments where I said to my friend when I arrived, I said, you know what, this is the stuff where if we were in France or Europe somewhere now, you would be like, oh, my God, look how beautiful this is. And I was like, this is our home. This is Sydney.

We're so lucky, but because it's our home, sometimes we forget how beautiful it was. But if you were on the Italian coast and you saw the exact same thing, you'd just be like life is good life is good well guys that is it from us if you have any thoughts feelings considerations that you would like to add to the episode you can go and join us at life on cut discussion group on facebook where all of the discussions go down you can also watch us on youtube because we have youtube we put our full episodes up there as well and you know the drill tell your mom tell your dad tell your dog tell your friends and share the love because we love love