Life Uncut - Love Story: Hero vs Villain & Are We Only Celebrating the ‘Right’ Milestones?

Episode Date: March 10, 2026

Hey Lifers!Britt is ‘trying something new’ today and she’s been humbled by her closest friends.P*rnhub has locked Aussies out and Britt has revisited her saucy past. Have you ever ve...tted a nude for a friend?Laura’s realising that her nearly 7 year old daughter has got impeccable taste but is also getting a little sneaky!Keeshia has a PSA about getting fire extinguishers for your home after her next door neighbour’s laundry burnt down last week.There’s a reel we came across this week that had us thinking about expectations and only celebrating ‘traditional’ milestones for our friends. Do you or your friends only celebrate/put time and money into the typical celebrations like hens parties, weddings and baby showers?? “This story is inspired by actual events. Certain depictions of people and events have been dramatized or fictionalized for story telling purposes”. Love Story: John F. Kennedy Jr. & Carolyn Bessette is one of the most streamed shows in the world but we are once again left questioning how much creative freedom writers should have when the people they’re depicting are real.Daryl Hannah has written a piece in the New York Times and said that the version of her on the show is “not even a remotely accurate representation of my life, my conduct or my relationship with John.”She has also noted that “the choice to portray her as irritating, self-absorbed, whiny and inappropriate was no accident”. We ask if it was necessary for Daryl Hannah to be depicted in this way so we would barrack for Carolyn? Do we still need such a blatant heroine vs villain narrative? You can watch us on Youtube Find us on Instagram Join us on tiktok Or join the Facebook Discussion Group Hosted by Britt Hockley & Laura Byrne Hosted by Britt Hockley & Keeshia Pettit  Produced by Keeshia Pettit Video Produced by Vanessa Beckford & Lachy Pugsley Tell your mum, tell your dad, tell your dog, tell your friend and share the love because WE LOVE LOVE! XxSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hi guys and welcome back to another episode of Life Uncut. I'm Laura. I'm Brittany. I'm here sitting across from the smartest person in the world right now. I have come armed with a laptop and my glasses, yes. I'm so glad you noticed I'm wearing glasses today. This is your superpower now. Brittany just took her reading glasses off and she was like, Dumb, smartest person in the world. Look, I'm sorry. Look at the transformation, everyone, if you're watching YouTube. People take me more seriously with glasses on.
Starting point is 00:00:34 They do. They respect me way more when I wear my glasses. Do they respect you when they discover that there's nothing prescription about them? There's not even a lens. It's just you poke my finger through and hit me. It's just a frame. Are you wearing blue light glasses? What are these for?
Starting point is 00:00:47 Are they just for aesthetics? Because they are aesthetic. You look great. I was just explaining to Keisha because Keisha also laughed in my face like a true friend. Do you know what, though? I think it's important to keep friends by your side that keep you humble. Guys, I don't need to be kept humble. I'm wearing my glasses.
Starting point is 00:01:03 Remember that time Brittany told me that I was trying something new? She hated your elf shoes. Oh, yeah. This is payback for the elf shoes. Okay. I never said I hate it. We do not need to revisit. You never said you liked them.
Starting point is 00:01:14 I said not for me, but they're good for you. I have glasses on. I don't need to be kept humble. Because I've put my migraine glasses on. It's a bit of A, bit of B. are they aesthetic and I think they're cute? Absolutely. But they're supposed to help with focusing from, I don't have any problem with my eyesight at all, but sometimes migraines can be induced by the time it takes your eyes to focus. When you look at a screen and you read,
Starting point is 00:01:39 and then you look up to something in front of you, like a person, you don't know that you're doing it, but your brain knows and it strains. And my brain's been straining a lot. And so I thought, Hey, you know what? I want to help my migraines and I want to look super cute and smart and I'm sick of being disrespected. So what's in them? Nothing. Glass. No, I guess it's a, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:01:59 I've had the same kind of lens forever. It's like a, it doesn't help you see, but it helps you focus. But I don't know what that means. Like it's something. I actually probably see better without them, to be honest. But I like them. I like them too. If you're not watching on YouTube, everyone,
Starting point is 00:02:13 Britt's trying something new today. And also, you know what happens? I've walked in every day without my glasses. No one notices me. I put them on today and someone went, good morning, ma'am. No, they didn't. I do feel like I'm taking more seriously with them I want to tell you this funny story so yesterday I was getting my hair and makeup done we're on set filming and it takes hours right
Starting point is 00:02:31 you're sitting in the makeup chair for hours I was on my phone reading my messages doing my work whatever and I got a message come up opened the message and a big very sexy photo popped up on my screen like lingerie what are they called the garter belt that goes around your legs a garter suspenders high heels it was like from behind like she was bent over the kitchen table she was and you could just see like she had a lacy g-string on full booty it was hot like it was super hot but it's super raunchy why'd you send that Laura I just got dressed up that morning thought Brit would like it it was from Ben it was from Ben so Ben had sent it to me and I and I have the new phone you know the really big one like it's the really big phone it's like walking around with
Starting point is 00:03:17 an iPad yeah so I like panicked and I was like oh my god and I looked up and my makeup artist was looking over my shoulder so she saw it and so I quickly got out of it and I looked at her and I saw that she was watching my phone and I said oh I'm so sorry she's like it doesn't matter I don't care what you look at and I was like what do you mean what I look at and she's like oh well obviously you're looking at OnlyFans and I was like what and she's like I was like no I'm not looking at OnlyFans and she's like well what was that and I was like that was me I had sent a photo to Ben years ago like you know when you're in the new throes of a relationship I had dressed up dolled myself up put all this lingerie on self-timed a photo in the kitchen in the kitchen
Starting point is 00:03:58 self-time his kitchen too he was at work you know when you're like I remember I think it was Esther Perel where she's like start the what's it start play start the second that sex ends so it's one of those things like can't wait for you to come home anyway sent it to Ben this is years ago he was trying to find something in his old messages he came across a photo and thought I don't know why he thought I'd want to see it again so he sent it back to me but she's looking over my shoulder she saw me in a way that nobody should ever see me but that was one thing and then I was like fuck should I have told her that was me or should I have stuck with it being an OnlyFans I was like should I have just said I'm on looking at naked women on OnlyFans or it was me I was like
Starting point is 00:04:34 this is I'm really torn so I was like no you're right it was OnlyFans I went with OnlyFans I think it's fine is it yeah you can scroll OnlyFans what you're gonna say what is she gonna say you're Like, don't shame me. No, there's no shame in that. Pornhub's now banned in Australia. It is banned in Australia. What do you mean Pornhub is banned in Australia? As of like yesterday.
Starting point is 00:04:51 Unless you had an existing account, apparently. I was listening to the Daily Us talk about it this morning. What? Tell me more. Yeah, it has to do with age verification and Pornhub. I'm fucked. Pornhub have to bring in like actual age verification, not just click a button, yes, I'm over 18.
Starting point is 00:05:08 And so if you go onto the website now, you can't see any porn. Wait, so this came in only this week. It's actually been passed. Don't pretend you haven't noticed. Yeah, you love it. No, this has been something that's been in dispute and the policies have been discussed on this for so long. Pornhub has been saying that it's something that's like an impossibility
Starting point is 00:05:27 because it's going to be a data breach. It's going to be so challenging for people's personal information. But like it's the only way to protect children from being able to access porn so freely. Thank God this has come into effect. How I miss this. I've been living under a rock. but that's a good news week.
Starting point is 00:05:43 Well, yeah. One other thing that I thought was really interesting is that apparently it's the ninth most popular website in Australia. Ahead of the bomb. People care more about porn than the weather. I'm not surprised about that. But you would be upset if you were the bomb because apparently they spent like $90 million in developing that site.
Starting point is 00:05:57 So 90 or 98? 90. Don't come to me for the truth or the facts. But Pornhub, because it's not just that they're banning new users that are underage because you have to provide your verification. because you have to provide verification now of your age porn hub have cracked it and banned everyone if you have a pre-existing account you're fine but no one of any age can use porn hub in australia right now how many people do you think are listening to this podcast now they're
Starting point is 00:06:21 googling porn hub just to see if it's legit it's like a wet paint sign but there was a real increase in vpns yesterday well everyone's using a vpn i actually think that this is fantastic i know that obviously if it's come off the back of porn hub cracking it and being like well if you're going to put restrictions on us we're going to stop everyone from being able to access it i mean there's some crazy statistic which is like children at the age of 13 majority of children have already been exposed to pornographic material by that age they've already seen pornographic material so like this had to come into effect so whether or not they're doing it i know but whether or not they're doing it as like a throw the toys out of the pram
Starting point is 00:06:56 if we have to follow these rules then no one can have it i'm kind of like at least that there is like some sort of response that's happening in this because it is very weird flex for them weird to say like oh we're going to lose a tiny bit of money we'll lose it all like it just seems the fines are up to 50 million dollars yeah it's not a tiny bit yeah i think that the problem is that the responsibility is humongous and that's why they're trying to make a big stance around it because they're like well if we're not able to uphold whatever the verification is that you're putting in place the magnitude of the fines are too big yeah so great time to be launching an only fans i'm glad you started with one picture and a makeup artist well you know what i thought
Starting point is 00:07:30 i don't often say this remember when i did that nude guys that i got you to approve many years ago where i did the nude and the vase was like strategically covering my body do you guys remember that i do remember so like i wonder if other people do this do you ever vet your nudes by your friends brick came in this one day and she was like i have this i was like is this hot or not and it was like slightly artistic but i didn't know what it was that i was about to see like you didn't you didn't ask me for consent to view the image first because you didn't actually see anything no but also you were like hey have a look at this photo can i send this to ben and i I was like, whoa, that's, yeah, you can send that to Ben,
Starting point is 00:08:05 but you didn't ask if you could send it to me and to my eyeballs. But, yes, but in my defense, you're making it sound like I salted you in my vagina. I was covered. The whole point of it was artsy. So, like, the vase covered a little bit and the flowers covered the boobs and, like, it was a nude without it being nude. Like, it was super artsy.
Starting point is 00:08:20 Like, I could have blown it up and entered it into, like, some kind of Nobel Prize thing. Do you remember at your hen's party how you wanted to send Ben? Oh, stop it. This is so funny. I don't know if we've ever told this on the podcast. I don't know how I got roped into this. At some point, Britt was supermaning across the bed, topless.
Starting point is 00:08:38 She wanted to get a photo in the air, like, topless to send to Ben. It was so funny, and I've never laughed so hard in my life. No. Because, like, her whole body, gravity, you know. Go to YouTube. It's on there now. No. So, hang on.
Starting point is 00:08:54 At my hands party, thought it would be cute to send Ben. I don't know what is wrong with us. We spend too much time together. like a hot photo topless photo we're like let's send him a topless photo of the both of you no just me someone had to take it someone had to do the photo shoot so we tried this is you guys know how awkward i get i did a couple of serious ones i thought were hot and then i was like i can't just send him this it'll be funnier if i send him a stupid nude so instead of sending him a sexy nude i ran through the air and i superman sideways i was completely horizontal across the
Starting point is 00:09:24 bed then keisha snapped the photo midair very athletic very nimble but because i the gravity My boobs were just these tiny little white pointers that were hanging to the ground. No, they weren't even hanging up. They were like flying through the air. It was the least sexy thing you've ever seen and that's the photo that I sent him. It was so funny. He was like, what the fuck? Anyway, yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:43 So not only do my friends vet my nudes, they take them. I don't even know where to go from here. I can confidently say I've never had a friend take a nude. Never in my life. I can do it for you for your 40th. I'm going to give you a shoot that I'm going to take. There's a photo shoot that I can send to Matt, a tasteful nude photo shoot. We have been trying to think what we can get you.
Starting point is 00:10:03 Can I nude shoot you? I sent Matt like an almost nude recently. Actually, it wasn't even a nude. It was an old one and he was just like, why did you send that? Like it was like from the archives. It was kind of like how Ben sent you one of yourself. I sent one that was from the archives, but it was of me. And he was like, why?
Starting point is 00:10:19 Did he know it was an archive one? Oh, yeah. Fuck that. It doesn't look like that anymore. Nothing looks like that after three children. And he said, why? We were like, Matt, that's not the answer. No, he was just a bit like, why did you send it?
Starting point is 00:10:29 We're not at the nude stage anymore. Something happens when you've been with your partner for a long time. They've seen you birth three children. Like the concept of sending Matt a nude no longer feels like it's sexy. It feels like it's funny. Like it doesn't actually feel like it would. I don't think I would get the desired response from him. And if he just sent me a nude as well, I'd be like, why?
Starting point is 00:10:48 Why did you send that? I think you're underestimating it. I still think Matt, I know Matt would happily receive a nude from you. He'll take what he can get. The guy will take what he can get. Don't withhold that from him. I can take one of you. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:11:02 I've seen my art. I did. I saw your boobs yesterday. Thank you. You did say that. They're great. Okay, well, look, I have a question for you. Have you ever stolen anything from your parents?
Starting point is 00:11:10 Just their desire to live. Their dignity. Yeah, their will to live. Just their freedom. Yeah. I stole their cigarettes when I was young, but that wasn't for me. That was so that they couldn't have them. That did not end well.
Starting point is 00:11:22 I stole alcohol from my mum. That was one thing. Like, you know, when I was going to parties when I was like 16, 17, I would steal liquor and I'd top it up with water. As if they didn't know, right? No, I don't think my mum did. I don't think she had any clothes. My parents didn't drink, so there was never alcohol to steal.
Starting point is 00:11:41 I never had anything to steal. Did you ever steal money? Did you ever steal clothes? Is there anything that you took from your parents knowing, like full well knowing that you'd taken it, you shouldn't take it? Yeah, I stole one, borrowed for a long time. one of my mom's like really nice bracelets. It was like a really big, chunky bracelet. And in hindsight, it was a really bad thing to do because it was probably one of her favorite pieces. I
Starting point is 00:12:04 think it was expensive, but I loved it. And I didn't know, I didn't know at that time, you know, when you're a teenager, you just don't really know the ins and outs of like anything of your, of your parents' life or whatever. And I just thought that was fucking sick and took it. And I remember she asked me for it a few times. She's like, have you taken it? And I said, no, because I panicked, you know, when you panic and you dig yourself into a hole and you lie and I lied and I don't know why I lied because mum was like I can't find it anywhere and she was really upset about it she ended up seeing it in a photo I was at uni in Newcastle she ended up seeing it and I was like oh my god I found it and then I gave it back to her but I just loved it a
Starting point is 00:12:38 lot I just didn't want to give it back to her wait so she saw you wearing it in a photo she always knew I had it so she knew you were lying she knew you were straight up lying to her yeah she knew I had it a hundred percent yeah but I liked it fuck kids suck I know but I gave it back to her she's got it now she still has it well how did she respond when you gave it back to her are you little sneaky bitch that's what my mom would say like you little sneaky so-and-so that's what she would say so Marley she's seven years old now what no actually it's a lie she's six she's almost seven she often takes things from me that she she's like a bowerbird right like she takes things that she thinks are nice and then I find them in her room and like I try to explain to her
Starting point is 00:13:20 the inherent value in stuff but it's really hard when she's only like almost seven and she doesn't quite understand like this thing costs this much money or this thing costs this much money like money is like an arbitrary idea to her especially when she can go busking and earn three thousand dollars in 20 minutes yeah she's basically Adele so once a month I go through Molly's backpack and I clean out like what's in it because kids and backpacks they kind of just end up becoming like a dumping zone for everything, right? Every so often she's picked up random things that she probably shouldn't have. Always things that are not a big deal, like a matchbox car that she's found in the playground or like some dice or just random shit that accumulates in the bottom of her
Starting point is 00:13:58 bag. So anyway, I was putting Marley and Lola to bed the other night and Matt comes up to the room and he goes, hey babe, I think Marley's taken something of yours. And I was like, what are you we were talking about. Anyway, I went downstairs. Not only had Marley stolen a diamond ring from my jewelry box, she'd put it in its own little like special jewelry box holder. She'd put it in her backpack and she'd been taking it to school to show her friends. She had been taking a $2,000. Like show and tell. Not even show and tell because she knows it's wrong. She didn't tell the teachers. Do you think she was going to propose? A $2,000 ring that she took to school because she has a boyfriend who she wanted to show.
Starting point is 00:14:38 And I was like, Marley, that ring is so expensive. And she goes, it was a really pretty one. I picked a really nice one, just wanted to show. And I don't want to say his name just in case anyone from school listens. But she took a diamond ring to school to show a boy. I think she's setting the standard. She's saying, this is what I deserve. This is what I need in life.
Starting point is 00:14:56 Get used to it, buddy. Do you know, I saw this last week. This is like that on steroids, Laura. Thank God she didn't fucking lose it. Well, yeah. It's probably not in the show either, knowing you. Oh, no, it's not. Of course not.
Starting point is 00:15:05 But I literally saw this last week. There was a little boy, a dad that was doing a reel on Instagram. He was in America, but him and his mom were in hysterics and they called the daughter over. She was like six years old. And they're like, hey, honey, show us what Tyson gave you today, this little boy from school. And she comes up and she goes, Tyson gave me a ring.
Starting point is 00:15:21 And she's like, show us, honey. Pulls it out. Tyson, another six-year-old boy, had stolen his mom's engagement ring, took it to school and proposed to her at six, gave it to her. she took it accepted it and took it home she had some random boy's mom's engagement ring at home and he's like where does he live honey we need to give this anyway these are kids just stealing engagement rings left right and center because family heirloom it's because they don't know how much it's worth like Marley will take Tony May rings or things that I have like lying around
Starting point is 00:15:49 the house and because like often I come home with jewelry from work she thinks that it's just like she doesn't understand the value in it but what I found funny was the fact that she took it to show a boy because she was like this is kind of the one this is what I want anyway I asked this morning I asked him this morning and I was like and I love the Maldives I was like how is how is your boyfriend and she's like oh we broke up I was like what do you mean you were only dating for about four days and she's like I realized I'm too young to have a boyfriend she realized quicker than you did I was like yeah live your life girlfriend live your life go out there experience So she broke up with him because she didn't want to be tied down.
Starting point is 00:16:27 Don't settle down. Don't settle down at six. It's too soon. They're actually having boyfriends, are they? Have some more experiences first. Yeah, the obsession with boys as a six-year-old is crazy. And I think it comes from things like K-pop Demon Hunters and it comes from like different TV shows.
Starting point is 00:16:41 We still had crushes though. Like I think it's almost biology. I had a boyfriend at six. Did you? Speak for yourselves. No, I did too. No boys even. Laura was at a girls' Catholic school.
Starting point is 00:16:51 I wasn't. When I was in primary school, no, no boys wanted to touch me with a 10-foot pole. I had an undercut. Hang on. We can't bypass, brush past the undercut. You had an undercut? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:06 Like an undercut. You're shaved under. Like a speak-to-the-manager kind? Karen, how long was the top? So, okay, I lied to my mum. I wanted to get my hair cut. I had really long hair and I said to my mum, can I get my hair cut?
Starting point is 00:17:17 And she was like, no, you're not getting it all chopped off. And then when I was at my dad's house, because my parents were separated. I said to dad, oh, dad, mum said I could get my hair cut and he took me to the hairdressers and he was like off to go and do something while he left me at Just Cuts. And I was like – Just Cuts, the $15 cut.
Starting point is 00:17:31 To the lady, I was like, just cut it. Just cut it. Just go short. I had a Keisha moment and then she cut it and I was like shorter and she goes, if we go any shorter, we've got to shave the back and I was like, go for it. And then I went home to my mum with a shaved undercut and my mum cried.
Starting point is 00:17:46 And Laura was like, it was really confusing. I don't know why none of the boys liked me. this is like a little bit of a switching gears in terms of mood but I had one of the most intense things that I've ever experienced happened last Thursday afternoon and to start the story I want to say that everyone is safe all animals are safe but my neighbor's house caught on fire so it was quite late in the afternoon must be about 4 30 or something like that and I was working in the study and I heard these big bangs and I went out and hilariously my partner and I we actually blamed at each other I was like what the fuck are you doing like why are you making all this noise and
Starting point is 00:18:20 he's like I thought you were making it and to try and cut a bit of a longer story short there was all this commotion out the front I went out the front there were quite a few strangers and they were like is that your house is that your house and I turned around and there was this humongous black cloud around our backyard oh my god so I ran out to the backyard and it's at this point that I can hear I can hear this like but it was really really loud and I could feel this heat and there was all of this smoke so our neighbor's back laundry kind of area like our houses are really old our house is 105 years old so I'm assuming that theirs is around about the same age and so this would have been an outhouse that has been converted into a laundry and it is completely
Starting point is 00:19:09 engulfed in flames i wonder if it's like the dryer or something caught on fire well we do have a bit more information now so the first thing is i was like oh my god and i could hear her screaming and there was there was like a lot going on anyway so my partner is like kind of thrust me up onto the top of our shed and i had both of our hoses and i was kind of trying to stop the fire from spreading to the trees because if it caught the trees the entire street would be over at one point she got locked in the backyard all of our neighbors really rallied together and one of my other neighbors jumped her back fence because that was locked with a padlock and one of the businesses nearby had brought over a fire extinguisher and it was because of that fire
Starting point is 00:19:53 extinguisher and I don't say this with any theatrics it's only because of that fire extinguisher that I'm convinced that our whole house is not burnt down because that was the only thing that made a difference everything like you would think about what would be in a laundry and there's so many things that are fuel. I've heard people talk about house fires before, but I think until I experienced it, I didn't really understand what they meant by, they just sound so violent. They sound so aggressive and angry and everything just kept exploding. And it happens so quickly. That's the problem. It can go from zero to a hundred. Yeah. I think all of this would have transpired in about 12 minutes. And a couple of minutes later, the fire brigade turned up and then the
Starting point is 00:20:29 police came. And I think it was one of those moments that I was like, holy shit. Like it Could have ended very differently. It could have gone so, so differently. And it wasn't until I was looking at a photo of the damage later and, you know, would obviously checked on all of the pets and all of the people and everyone was safe that I realized there was like a barbecue gas bottle standing right next to where the flames were. And I started going through these scenarios in my head and I was like, oh my God, I'd already had so much fire anxiety.
Starting point is 00:20:58 Like, I don't know why I'm just that type of person that. I do too. That is literally my idea of a nightmare. like my biggest fear in life is dying in a house fire yeah yep like i'll lay in bed thinking about tax and house fires this is like horrifying to me i have the exact same fear and i would never ever leave a dry i would never leave anything other than the fridge on when i go out because i just have this weird fear around it do you know what it was i i can remember mine so when we were in primary school there was a fire safety video that was shown as part of when i had an undercut
Starting point is 00:21:28 it was part of how it was meant to be like to to make you aware of the dangers of a house fire and like the whole like stop drop and roll thing laura's like my hair's never catching on fire i'll shave it off i got reason that has it no we watched this video and i don't know who the fuck approved this video it was horrific the most harrowing thing i have ever seen and it was all around house fires and it traumatized me as a kid like i would get up in the middle of the night and go and check the ovens, check the doors. Like I used to just be, I mean, you guys know, I've talked about this before. I had like some OCD tendencies where I would like double check everything. But a big one has been like the ovens and fires. Like, yeah. And checking that the doors
Starting point is 00:22:11 are locked, but in a way that they could be easily unlocked if I needed to get out. Like it was just a level of insanity that I think is, yeah. And I know where it stems from. I know where it came from. Well, you remember growing up, I guess it's not a myth, but it used, your parents always used to say never leave the house with the dryer on like it was just one of those things that you did and you never knew why you never understood why because it was that's why if it was their dryer that caught on fire and people don't know to change the lint filter in the dryer you have to change that every week guys yeah I'm actually the type of people that my neighbor are I'm actually quite convinced that she would be doing those types of things she's very tidy she's very like
Starting point is 00:22:44 regimented and she also was like the dryer is quite new it's less than two years old you know and the fire brigade think that it's faulty wiring and because we've had so much rain lately in sydney that's probably contributed and like you know created a bit of an environment where it was possible i'm just so grateful that we were home firstly like everyone was home i didn't happen in the middle of the night i'm so grateful for my neighbor who was so brave jumped over a fence into flames and put this thing out he had no shoes on like he just completely did it off we zone back but the one thing that and the only reason that I actually wanted to talk about this and it's not to be preachy it's because it's the lesson that I've learned is that we have now
Starting point is 00:23:25 purchased like we've ordered fire extinguishers because it's just something I'd never you know you always have your smoke alarms and I don't know whether most people have fire extinguishers in their house I haven't had one since I was an adult I remember we had one as a kid I have them in my house that I bought in Queensland like I there's one in there but I don't have one here in my rental in Sydney which is which is weird they start pretty cheap they're like 40 bucks to start with so it's not like it's this crazy expense and I think it's one of those realizations that I'm like oh you don't need it till you need it you know like it's it's so important and so yeah that was just my crazy Thursday afternoon that's crazy Kish yeah you're so lucky but also
Starting point is 00:24:04 I mean it's a really good PSA because it is one of those things that you never think about it's almost like like you know we all know the necessities of changing batteries and whatnot and fire alarms. But like, it's one of those things where you're like, oh, I can do that tomorrow or I'll turn it back on. But it's, you do not need it until you're in a situation where it's dire. Yeah. Yeah. So this week we came across a reel that got us all thinking and it's around the expectations that we have for our friends to celebrate important milestones. I mean, it's pretty obvious that we usually celebrate things like weddings and the birth of a child. Bachelorettes. Yeah. Hen's parties. Now, the reason why this was quite interesting is because
Starting point is 00:24:41 Lainey, the lawyer, who's the Instagram handle that it came from, conducted a social experiment where personally she feels as though she doesn't have any of those big milestone moments in her life, the ones that society says are important to celebrate, but she wanted her friends to celebrate her. Have a listen to this. I conducted a social experiment on my friends and they failed miserably. So I'm turning 35 and I sent all of my friends an email that said essentially like, hey i'm single i don't have any prospects i don't know if i'm ever gonna get married i have you know attended everybody's bachelorettes everybody's weddings everybody's baby showers like i just would like to do something to celebrate me because i don't know if i'll
Starting point is 00:25:22 get another celebration right and the response was atrocious okay so let me paint the picture so it went to about 20 women 25 and i would say two-thirds or 70 percent are old friends and like 30 kind of women that i like was just getting to know and honestly i kind of was like testing out like can i make good friends in my 30s that like will want to come to something like this um the response was abysmal okay so um i would say the vast majority didn't even bother replying like literally no response crickets which was shocking shocking right the next group was the married women that have small children that like didn't even pretend to consider it didn't even pretend to contemplate like getting a babysitter or something like that the ones that are currently
Starting point is 00:26:11 breastfeeding I understand but the ones that are not like okay so husband can't watch the kids for a weekend away okay one of them that I will never forget said verbatim I cannot wait for your actual bachelorette party uh that's gonna be so much fun and I was like oh my god okay so truly all we are celebrated for is finding a man and I will never get to be celebrated for anything else they don't take any other requests for a birthday party seriously okay yeah some of my friends that i traveled like all over the country in the world for it didn't even respond and you know the new friends like most didn't respond and then i would say about two or three like bookmark the calendar we're like wherever whatever we're doing i'm there no matter what moral of the story we live in a very
Starting point is 00:26:56 misogynistic world still and women are continuing this pattern and this legacy of the only thing that matters is when a woman celebrates ending up with a man like they don't take her wanting to celebrate herself at all seriously and that was really devastating that's the state of my friends and uh yeah if you've been wondering why i've been alone a lot the last few months yeah that one that one hurt um and i've just kind of like wanted to be alone because i give so much to my relationships and it's just not feeling reciprocated anymore i guess i better get married if I ever want to be celebrated. I don't actually think she conducted a social experiment.
Starting point is 00:27:35 I think she put an invitation out and then she realised off the back of it she realised that there might be some broader conversation in it. I do want to read the email that she did send out to her friends in this honey trap. Is that what it's called when you're in the FBI? It's a honey trap. Hello, dear friends. I hope you're all having a wonderful holiday season.
Starting point is 00:27:54 As you may know, my 35th birthday is coming up in February on the 15th and I want to celebrate it big time, in style, with some really cool women around me. And of course, I have chosen the most fitting of locations for this blowout, Miami. So without further ado, you are all quarterly invited to my 35th birthday blowout bachelorette but manless weekend. Because I hate the idea that it takes deciding to marry a man to be celebrated. So here's my fuck you to society. It will take place from February to February, so it's a whole weekend, I don't want to sort of set expectations. I do expect this trip will be somewhat bougie. We will either stay in a hotel and she goes on to say what they'll do on the weekend. But a few key things here.
Starting point is 00:28:37 It's a weekend away. So it's not just a dinner. It's three days. Yeah. It's three days, like a long weekend. And she has said, I expect it to be bougie. So bougie, you can read between the lines. Bougie means money. It means you're going to be expensive. She's going to be going all out she's made a point of saying that i want this to be a big blowout weekend i i think two things can be true at the same time i the reason why i like this is because i do think it has a point i absolutely do think that we prioritize celebrating milestones that society says are important which you know are getting married are having a baby and they're things that as especially as women choose to be childless by choice are not going to be as relevant to some people right
Starting point is 00:29:20 However, I do challenge the misogynistic part of this because, and I had this conversation with Ness, who is in a lesbian relationship. I will celebrate her wedding with the same propensity that I would celebrate a heterosexual relationship. I would celebrate her having her kids in the same way. However, should we be celebrating our friends who don't have these big things to look forward to? And if you don't have one of these big things, or you don't want one of these big things, as in like these milestone moments do you get left behind when it comes to your friends celebrating you no the problem that I have with this is not the fact that she wants to be celebrated it's not that she doesn't have kids and she's not getting married and I really felt
Starting point is 00:30:00 for her for that because I think her feelings are tied to her knowing that maybe her prospects are slim for a wedding and her words not mine she said my prospects are slim the problem with this is the expectation of what she wants people to celebrate and how she wants them to celebrate it's not hey guys it's my birthday let's go to a really nice dinner let's go to a show let's make a day of it let's whatever it's let's have three days away which is obviously expensive let's have a destination birthday it's a flight it's a destination you are asking people to give up a lot and to spend a lot of money and the fact of the matter is the reason we choose to spend money and get babysitters and spend time and energy on things like weddings is because they are one-off huge moments in somebody's
Starting point is 00:30:46 life. Sometimes two, sometimes three. Some people have two weddings, fucking bitches. No, but do you know what I mean? Like there are moments where you're like, okay, if I am going to go out and ask a family member to come to my house for three days to watch my kids so I can go and celebrate my friend's wedding, that's more of a reasonable ask of those around you than it is to say, can you come and mind my kids for three days so I can go and get pissed in Miami for a friend's 35th birthday? It doesn't land the same. So I think her expectations are unreasonable when she's saying friends didn't even pretend to get a babysitter it's a three-day weekend like that is a really big thing yeah I look I think the reason why I say two things can be true at the same time
Starting point is 00:31:21 is because I do think it's an unreasonable ask to expect that your friends would come and have a destination birthday but I absolutely see the merit in unpacking how it must feel if you are the person that is constantly showing up for your friends for their weddings for baby showers for all of these things but you either don't have these things in your life because you want them and you don't have them yet or you don't want them and therefore you're never going to be celebrated in that way. And we do put a lot of money into hen's parties. We do put a lot of money into weddings.
Starting point is 00:31:49 And so I know it's a weird arbitrary number that she's chosen and she's like, well, I'm 35 and so therefore this is the thing we're going to celebrate. But I also understand this feeling of missing out on ever feeling as though you're the person that gets to be at the centre of the celebration, that you're the friend that has something that is worthy of celebrating. Yeah, but I don't think her ask, I think it's okay
Starting point is 00:32:11 that she asked I think it's okay that she wants to do it but the expectation has to be that more people than not are going to be able to do it like you have to when you're going in to ask something so big like that surely you need to be self-aware enough to know that it's a big ask and a lot of people probably can't front up the people that couldn't even be fucked to respond that's just rude like she has every right to be upset by the people that it's like I didn't even email back I didn't even RSVP you back but I reckon the reason why some people haven't responded is because in their world they're like this is such an audacious crazy ass this is such an unreasonable ask that it's like it's uncomfortable or it's like oh and i'm not saying that it's correct to like not reply
Starting point is 00:32:49 that's crazy that for me it's like someone saying hey i want to go to the moon for my birthday i'm like fucking what you're talking about like yeah but you'd still write back and say sorry i can't go the moon this week like you would still you still are it doesn't matter what the ask is you still rsvp it's awful to put people in that position as well and that's what i don't like about it you know coming back to the expectation thing she said between 20 and 25 people like yeah even if you were able to go you had the finances that you were happy to spend on an entire weekend away like there's a good chance you're going with people that you don't know putting people in the position where they have to say hey I actually don't have that type of money I actually think
Starting point is 00:33:29 it's really rude and I don't think enough people consider this even when they have things like hens parties now and and destination weddings like putting people in the position where they have to confess to you that they're not in a financial position to be able to afford that and I think that we could have a lot more compassion around those situations I feel different for it in terms of a wedding but I feel very much in alignment with you when it comes to something like a hens party the reason why I feel different about a wedding is because I do think that people are entitled to choose and to have whatever kind of wedding that they want.
Starting point is 00:34:04 And if you're invited, you are entitled to choose to not go. Like that is an absolute very open invitation and that exchange comes without expectation. Do you know what I mean? Like if I want to get married in Greece and be on like some super yacht, like I would be there. Yes, I will come. No, but like I understand that there will be a huge portion
Starting point is 00:34:26 of my friends that cannot make it to that wedding and I've chosen that anyway. Do you know what I mean? Like I wouldn't hold it against someone who couldn't come. Do you know what I think the big difference is? I also couldn't come because I have three kids and can't afford international flights. Do you know what I think the big difference is?
Starting point is 00:34:39 The wedding, you choose what you want for your wedding, but you pay for those things. When it's a weekend away like this or when it's a hen's party, those costs are split between the people who are going. So the people who are like, I want to have a week in Singapore for my hens, it's like, holy shit, we're all going to be fronting the cost for that.
Starting point is 00:34:56 And we're probably going to be paying for the bride as well. I don't want this to come across the wrong way, but I'm reading between the lines on maybe who this person is. But she said, you know, it was audacious and abhorrent. One friend even said to me, quote, I'm sure you're going to have a beautiful bachelorette when the time comes and I can't wait for that moment. And the way that she said that was like, that was the worst thing her friend could have said to her. But I think if we zoomed out and saw more context, I imagine it was probably a really nice message. It was probably like, I can't make this one, sorry. But like when the time comes, it's going to be epic. And maybe, maybe that didn't land for her
Starting point is 00:35:27 because she's thinking, well, what if I never get married? But I don't think there was any ill intent in the kind of a response from a friend saying I will celebrate because what she's saying is I will celebrate you when it's the bachelorette. Unfortunately, I can't do it at this time. And I relate to this girl. Like I have been to so many of these events. At this point, I don't have any intentions of getting married,
Starting point is 00:35:47 so I don't think I will have those types of celebrations. And you have no money left now. And I've spent all of my savings on everybody else. I don't feel like that though. Like I don't feel angry or bitter towards my friends for celebrating those things. And I kind of feel sad for her in the sense that I can tell that she feels really quite bitter about the fact that she's had to do all of that. I'd also love another wedding.
Starting point is 00:36:10 If we can convince you to have a wedding. Britt, have a third one. Do you want to pay for it? No, I mean, I want to go to another one. The last thing I want to add to this is like, I dislike the narrative that everything comes back to misogyny. I do think that the reason why people celebrate marriage isn't because it's between a man and a woman.
Starting point is 00:36:24 The reason why people celebrate marriage is because you're entering into a completely different phase of your life. It is a very set transition. The reason why people celebrate having a child or having a baby shower is because of this, once again, it's this huge transition that happens. You're entering into a different phase of what your life will be like. There's before children, there's after children. Whereas when you hit a birthday is something that every single person has.
Starting point is 00:36:48 And yes, it's a transition, but every single person who's alive is going to hit that transition. every single person every year has a birthday to celebrate. So if every single one was treated with that level of magnitude, you'd be celebrating every single person's birthday and having weekends away all over the place. So I guess that that's why some of these things feel more rare and it's because they are more rare. The only thing that I disagree about that is that I don't think she's making out because it's just because she hasn't found a man. I think the misogyny comes into place with the systems of which we celebrate traditional milestones. I agree. You know, I don't necessarily think it's because she's in she's heterosexual I think it's more about
Starting point is 00:37:24 the fact that we have only celebrated these things that are quite traditional in terms of like partnering up adding a human being to the world you know those types of things are by nature slightly misogynistic but I wonder whether she you know she's a lawyer according to her account Lainey the lawyer I kind of wonder whether if she was to have a career milestone like say that she became a partner of her firm or something like that whether people would have responded differently I would do wonder if it's just the birthday thing like you said everybody has one and everyone's is going to come around I don't know if someone said to me hey I've become a partner in the firm and I want to have a three-day bender in Miami I'd be like are you paying for it did you get a pay rise
Starting point is 00:38:04 with that congrats are you paying for that there's a new show on Disney that everyone is talking about and I say everyone everyone I know is talking about it all the group chats are talking about it it's all I'm seeing on social media. Keisha's, you're up to date watching it, Keisha. You're five episodes in. I'm three episodes in. I'm one. I've just got one cab off the rank. Well, it's a drama series about John F. Kennedy Jr. and Carolyn Bessette Kennedy. It is an FX produced Ryan Murphy show, but we here in Australia watch it on Disney for anybody that wants to watch it. It's called Love Story, John F. Kennedy Jr. and Carolyn Bessette. Now, this has broken absolute records for fx 25 million hours in the first five episodes have
Starting point is 00:38:48 been watched which is the same as 1.5 billion minutes and i say this because it is important it is important to show the reach that this show has had but it raises a really interesting question about a show being based on a true story which this is you need to ask yourself how much creative freedom writers should have when they are depicting somebody that is very real and very much still alive. This is because one of the lead characters, well, she's not a lead, I guess, but she is a very prevalent part of John F. Kennedy's story. Her name is Daryl Hannah and she was a very famous actress. So I grew up with her being one of my mom's favorite actresses. She was in Kill Bill. If you guys don't know her, you'll probably know her face when you look her up.
Starting point is 00:39:33 Oh, absolutely. Even I don't know who anyone is and I know who she is. Yeah, Daryl Hannah. I just feel like, I don't know if you knew her, Keisha, a little bit younger than us, but she was really big when we were growing up. I think the biggest thing that I remember her from was Kill Bill. Yeah. Like that was kind of the millennial or like younger millennial I am era.
Starting point is 00:39:48 But Daryl Hannah was actually in a relationship with JFK Jr. for about five or six years and reports say that it was quite on and off. And it was a very famous relationship. Yes. And the thing that is quite almost ironic about this is that she has never spoken about the relationship publicly. yet in the show in love story the character that is Daryl Hannah and that is her name in the show it's not like they've tried to kind of give her a different persona she is shown to be really
Starting point is 00:40:14 insufferable she's shown to be emotionally unstable she's very self-obsessed there are a couple of scenes where she's really clout chasey like she's apparently leaking things to the press there are even scenes where she is really inappropriate at Jackie O's wake there is another scene where he gets home from this really big day at work and she has quite a few people in his apartment that she's living in with him so having like a huge house party yeah like a party they're all doing lines of cocaine off of this silver tray that he states is a family heirloom like she's just shown to be really really disrespectful and from what we know of her now she is a woman who has become an environmental activist and like i mean a full-on activist she's
Starting point is 00:40:55 been arrested multiple times for her protesting she was involved in the takedown of harvey Weinstein with the Me Too movement. She seems like the type of person that is very incongruent with the character that is shown on our screens. Well, look, I mean, it's interesting because the reason why we're talking about this is not so much for the show itself, even though that has received so much attention. It's because of the New York Times article that Daryl Hannah has penned herself. Now, this was published on Friday. And what she wrote was an acknowledgement that she has been grossly misrepresented in this quote unquote true story. And this is what she had to say. I have long believed that engaging with distortion often amplifies it. But a recent
Starting point is 00:41:32 tragedy-exploiting television series about John F. Kennedy Jr. and Carolyn Bessette features a character using my name and presents her as me. The choice to portray her as irritating, self-absorbed, whiny, and inappropriate was no accident. She continues on to say that it is not even a remotely accurate representation of my life, my conduct, or my relationship with John. I have never used cocaine in my life or hosted a cocaine-fueled party. I have never pressured anyone into marriage. I have never desecrated any family heirloom or intruded upon anyone's private memorial. I have never planted any story into the press.
Starting point is 00:42:11 I never compared Jacqueline Onassis' death to a dog's. It's appalling to me that I even have to defend myself against a television show. These are not creative embellishments of personality. They are assertions about conduct, and they are false. she also speaks about how it's so deeply entrenched in misogyny this idea that she's being created to be almost like a villainous character in this show because there needed to be someone to play that part but it really does question and bring into I guess you know this debate around where does the moral standing apply when something is marketed as a true story when
Starting point is 00:42:48 someone's able to garner the capital the marketing capital that comes with saying this is a true story however some people and some events in this are completely fictitious and we've made them up as a byline i guess like on one thing you get people's investment their emotional investment by knowing that this is based on a true story but then the people that you are fabricating or that you are embellishing are the emotional collateral in the storytelling the problem is is that daryl hannah is real she has a career she has a reputation that is being decimated by a tv show that people now have a perception of who they think she is. Yeah, and it's interesting because she does go on to say
Starting point is 00:43:26 why she thinks Ryan Murphy has decided to make her this way. And when I say this way, if you do not know who Daryl Hannah is, you finish watching it and you don't like her. She's not a likable character. So if you don't know anything about who she is, who she was, what she's done, what she does now, you just don't like her. You're like, you're annoying and you're vapid and you're horrible to this family and that's why you didn't end up with him.
Starting point is 00:43:47 So she goes on to say, storytelling requires tension. it often requires an obstacle but a real living person is not a narrative device she's suggesting that the tearing down of one woman to uplift another is textbook misogyny and she thinks the only reason she was portrayed to be like that is because us as an audience is not emotionally intelligent enough to be able to watch a show like this and be so involved in rooting for one love story unless we absolutely detest the other person what you just said then brit though around that you get a feeling for why you dislike someone, right? It's the same thing that happens within the press.
Starting point is 00:44:24 We see it all the time play out. You read an article that's something that's devaluing, it presents a woman in a certain way, and I'm talking about celebrities in general, and often we walk away from female celebrities going, like, I just don't like her but I don't know why. Meghan Markle is a prime example. Yeah, like, I don't like her but I don't know why.
Starting point is 00:44:41 And, like, you might not have one thing to pin it on. The problem with this is, like, most people who are watching this are walking away from a show and they've probably heard of daryl hannah or they've seen a photo of her when they see the picture of her online they're like oh my god i know that actress and now they're instantly rewriting history with this new version of a dramatized series and it made me think of baby reindeer even though this is a lesser version or a lesser comparison it's the series that was written by a man named gad around his experience with a woman named quote-unquote martha who stalked him over the space of four years
Starting point is 00:45:12 now this was advertised as a true story and Martha the real Martha who came out she threatened the real stalker the real stalker who came out threatened to sue Netflix for the embellishments and and what Gad ended up saying is like yes some things were embellished some things were not true but the emotional feeling is a true story and that in itself is questionable I think the reason why we had more leeway for that is because yes she was a convicted stalker so she kind of loses credibility whereas Daryl Hannah is someone who has an immense amount of credibility so I think that the fall from grace there's so much more that she can suffer in this yeah what people aren't realizing is Daryl has come out and said that she's receiving hate messages and not just
Starting point is 00:45:51 one or two because people are believing this fictionalized version of her is actually real no one is watching a show like this or very few people are going to watch a show like this and then walk away and say I'm gonna go do my due diligence and see if the portrayal of all of these characters are real no one's doing that so the impression is and this goes back to at the start when i dropped those numbers about 1.5 billion viewing minutes so many people are consuming this and walking away thinking somebody is horrid now this woman is still alive she still has things that will affect her work affect who's going to hire her she's a she does public speaking and advocacy and there are so many things that can be tainted by this kind of a brush mud sticks and
Starting point is 00:46:34 once something is out it is very hard to change somebody's opinion of something especially something like this that is and they're not saying it's a true story they're saying it is based on true events and based on a true story so you it's up to you as the viewer to decide which parts you think are true and which parts are just being dramatized for your entertainment i was about to say and this feels like a very terrible choice of words considering who we're talking about that it's a complete character assassination like i yeah i mean i was like oh that feels a bit tacky I thought you were going to say it's like watching a plane crash. Oh, dear.
Starting point is 00:47:06 No, I thought – I wasn't being funny. I thought that's what you were going to say. At the start of each episode, it does come up with, this story is inspired by actual events. Certain depictions of people and events have been dramatized or fictionalized for storytelling purposes. And I have made absolutely no secret of the fact that I am very critical about Ryan Murphy.
Starting point is 00:47:22 He is the one who did Monsters. He did the Jeffrey Dahmer series. I find that his ability to take people's biggest tragedy and horrific things that happen in their life, and make them into drama entertainment has felt really, really irky and murky to me for years and years. And that's when we're talking about things that involve like murder. This to me didn't feel as harsh. And I think that's why I was okay watching it. Cause I was like, it's a love story, you know, that, and, and this is a nice story. It obviously ends in tragedy, but it was an accident.
Starting point is 00:47:57 it wasn't a deliberate violent tragedy and yet we're still having this exact same conversation about the fact that he involves very real people i remember when you and i spoke about monsters last year brit and we spoke about the fact that the men who had murdered their parents had come out yeah even though the show actually showed them in a really good light they still came out and said there were really massive inaccuracies there was a bit of a brotherly incest love story that involved the two brothers and they were like none of that was true you know I don't know why he felt the need to dramatize that angle I'm not surprised by the fact that Daryl Hannah has come out called out Ryan Murphy and said why did you feel the need to make me this character like as
Starting point is 00:48:39 an audience are we not at a point where we can see a woman who is amazing who is an actress who is empowered and all of these positive things and still recognize that she wasn't the right person for John F. Kennedy Jr. and that Carolyn Bessette was. You know, are we not at a point that's a little bit more nuanced than that? Do we have to pin them against each other where one is the hero and one is the villain? I think we do. I think we love a protagonist in a story.
Starting point is 00:49:04 I think it's easy. We love a push and pull in a story. It's like it's the jeopardy. It's what's going to happen. I mean, without it, it just follows like a really lovely love story that ends in a tragedy, whereas at least with her character having this push and pull throughout the whole thing, that makes it episodic. It gives every episode something to lean back into.
Starting point is 00:49:22 It fleshes out the storyline. And I know we are the issue. Like we love true story. We love fucking true story documentaries. We love true story dramatizations. But it's this genre of true story dramatization that's borrowing the credibility and the legitimacy of journalism without having to do any of the due diligence is where the real moral gray area is.
Starting point is 00:49:45 And then when you couple it with the fact that we've explored a lot of the stories where people are all deceased and there's no one who can really complain about it and now we're looking at stories that are happening so close to history where people are still alive and are directly affected about it, like there has to be some fucking rules in place. You can't just decimate someone's life or someone's reputation and then say, oh, but we said that things were embellished.
Starting point is 00:50:10 I know I made you be a bit of a C-U-N-T, but that's okay. like come on it's just don't let the truth get in the way of a good story imagine if one day you flipped on Netflix I mean my life's not that interesting but you saw like yourself being portrayed in a story as being a horrible person it would just unravel you it did make me think I read a quote by one of her best friends so Rosanna Arquette is another actress and they've been friends for a really long time so she's also come out in Daryl's defense she said a bunch of stuff, but I just want to read this one line. Her love with John F. Kennedy Jr. was real and some of the happiest times John F. Kennedy Jr. had, just ask his family, but no one did. Well, it's funny
Starting point is 00:50:50 that you say that because Carolyn Kennedy, and it can get a bit confusing because there's two Carolins. So Carolyn Kennedy is the sister of John F. Kennedy Jr., her son. So John F. Kennedy Jr.'s nephew, his name is Jack. And he was recently in an interview with CBS Sunday Morning. And this only a couple of days ago, where he called out the show. He said that they were producing fiction with a capital F. He said, if you want to know someone who's never met anyone in my family, knows nothing about us, talk to Ryan Murphy. The guy knows nothing about what he's talking about
Starting point is 00:51:20 and he's making a ton of money on a grotesque display of someone else's life. Ryan Murphy actually said on a podcast, I thought it was an odd choice to be mad about your relative that you don't really remember. What a ridiculous response. It's so cool. What a ridiculous response when he's the one creating content about someone who he doesn't
Starting point is 00:51:39 know. You know what I mean? He's got no connection to them. The thing is, this is where my issue with this whole thing lies. Just because you know a tiny part of a true story, like you know that someone died in a plane crash and the wife's sister died, just because you know that part of the story that was written in the news doesn't mean you know the story of the human who is behind that story, which makes it deeply not a true story.
Starting point is 00:52:02 It just means that it's got similarities to the ending and you've named the characters the same thing. I do not think it should be legal to be able to make true or based on a true story or use that type of terminology if everything leading up to the last episode or the last thing is not true or has been hugely dramatized for the purpose of making, you know, of making money. At the end of the day, these are people's real lives. These are people who have identities who should have some ownership over their own
Starting point is 00:52:32 personal identity that's been taken away from them, as is their reputation. And now the entire true history has been rewritten by a fucking dramatized series. It's crazy that there aren't rules in place for this. It is really hard. Let me talk you through what's going through my brain right now. It's hard because whilst on one hand, I agree, almost everything that's produced has been inspired by something, right? Inspired by a person, inspired by a moment, inspired by a life event. And it's going to always be impossible to make it 100% accurate. Impossible, because you are never going to be able to know and see and speak to every single person and every single detail and every word that comes out of their mouth. Like, is this something that you would
Starting point is 00:53:15 have said? It's not possible, right? And we're never going to stop having inspired buys. And I even say this because I'm just thinking now, the TV show that I wrote and created and I'm trying to produce at the moment is inspired by my life right I have taken events from myself but when I think about all the scenes and stuff that are in that none of them happened none of them are real but they could have happened to somebody that I know or an event that I was in name people in that the names of your ex-boyfriends or the names of people who are affected are we in it no but this is where the issue is it's because Daryl Hannah's character specifically it's not based on her and her name's Lucy, it's Daryl Hannah and she's still living
Starting point is 00:53:58 and that has a direct reflection on her reputation. So that for me is where the issues lie. Are we ever going to stop doing Inspired by and based on movies and TV series? No, we're never, ever going to do it. But there does need to be some kind of speaking to the people involved at least, getting their opinion. It doesn't mean they have to okay it because they're never going
Starting point is 00:54:18 to bring that in. But I do think the lowest form of respect someone like Ryan Murphy could have done is at least consult the people that were the main characters of his inspired by stories. But this is not taking inspiration from the life that you lived or anyone that's even close to you. This is just taking a historical moment and names that people are deeply interested in, a tragedy that people are extraordinarily
Starting point is 00:54:38 fascinated in, and creating a fictional story based around that and calling it truth. And then there is someone who is still alive who is able to have a voice, write an article in the New York Times and say this is fucked and that's what's happened. Almost be forced to write an article because how else can she defend herself? Because she's inherently quiet and never, ever gives volume
Starting point is 00:54:57 or noise to this sort of stuff. And I'm such a hypocrite because I think this show is fantastic and I'm going to continue watching it. That's the problem. I hate myself for enjoying it so much, but I think it's good that we have these conversations calling out the inaccuracies because otherwise how else are people's actual stories going to get out there?
Starting point is 00:55:14 The problem is, though, you put your money where your mouth is, right, because by watching it you just fuel the next one to be created. All right, second suite, guys. What is your suck of the week? I genuinely do not have a suck this week. I have had a really good week. I've got my glasses on. I'm the smartest I've ever been, everybody.
Starting point is 00:55:32 My glasses are keeping my migraines at bay because they have been bad. But I've actually just had a really beautiful week. My sweet of the week is, I just touched on it, but the TV show that I, God, guys, if you've been a long-term listener, you'll know this has been years in the making. i wrote and developed a tv show many years ago brit and mitch piloted it like yeah years ago this is how long it's been in the process for i wrote mitch in as like a main character and it's it's people probably don't know but a show and a movie can take years to get off the ground and
Starting point is 00:56:05 that's not that's not to get off the ground that's to be seen or someone to even like look sideways at you but the last couple of weeks to months it's really steamrolled and a production company picked it up and we've just had a writer come on board this week and in one hour I have a production meeting with LA now this does not mean that it's going anywhere it is there are so many stages to getting something produced honestly but it's as close to the sun as we've gotten so far so it's so exciting I know so it's just like it's happening it still needs basically we're almost at the point where like we need the okay from a streamer to say they'll take it and then it can go forward so we've done all the steps that we could possibly all i can say is i feel really
Starting point is 00:56:47 sorry for all your ex-boyfriends because they're going to be fucked in this one when it comes to based on true story inspiration only no so that that's cool so we've just got meetings about that and i don't know by the time it gets picked off i'm picked up i'm not going to want to do it anymore i'll be too old to play the character i wrote that's the problem so i just get all the salmon sperm but that's my that's my sweet of the week so well i'm i mean i'm 2030 maybe you'll see something you'll be doing like you'll be doing the version of it though that's what i'm like dating your 50s i'll say she's no longer 25 she's actually 50 well look okay my suck for the week is
Starting point is 00:57:20 we it's kind of like coupled into a suite but it is a suck we have been really busy with work in the last little bit and i had a day yesterday we had a big filming day for after the dinner party and don't get me wrong the show's amazing we're having a great time And I am loving that I've been able to juggle work and also having a baby. But yesterday was a day that I felt immensely guilty as a mom. And it was because I left work before Poppy had woken up. And by the time I got home from work, she had been put to bed.
Starting point is 00:57:52 So I literally did not see my children yesterday in a work day, which it's not like she wasn't cared for, guys. She wasn't cared for. She's fine. but it just there's something really I guess it was there was something really sobering about that day and I and I hated it like you know as much as I feel like I'm picking work goals it isn't a sacrifice that I want to make and it wasn't something that I felt good about you know getting home I just wanted to wake her up just to cuddle her I mean something that stands out in that is
Starting point is 00:58:17 the fact that she obviously slept in which is great she should still sleep when you left I'm like that's great she did but yeah I literally just didn't see her yesterday and then I had the cutest moment. So this is kind of my sweet, which sounds so silly, but like I was feeling really sad about that. And usually like Poppy, once she's asleep until she doesn't, she's dead asleep until about 2am. And that's when like the party time happens and she wakes up six times between 2am and six. But usually I wake her up at 11, I do a dream feed. Anyway, I came in at 11 to give her a dream feed and she was like doing a little rustling. Usually she just drinks her bottle completely asleep and might like look at me once or twice, but she's pretty much asleep. So she was doing
Starting point is 00:58:54 that and I gave her a bottle and then she opened her eyes a little bit just to kind of like spot what was going on and then she saw it was me and she was like and she was so happy like it was the cutest moment never ever ever in the night has she woken up like that level of just fucking stoked and so yeah it was really it was really sweet and sweet and also annoying because then she was wide awake and just wanted to put it you're like oh I didn't do that much but yeah it's the juggle like the juggle of trying to do as much as what we're doing and doing that with three kids and you know sometimes I feel like I'm absolutely killing it and other times I have deep debilitating mom guilt and that was my feeling yesterday you did just leave yesterday you pick up your bag and left
Starting point is 00:59:37 you left your laptop all your jewelry I had to go and collect everything I ran out of there because we ran so late with recording we weren't supposed to finish as late as we did and I literally just like ran off the couch ran got my bag and ran out the door I was like I'll hand deliver your laptop to your house don't worry Laura and then I left my laptop on the table I left all my jewelry
Starting point is 00:59:53 like just left everything so I was like I fucking need to get home and I was trying to get home before she was put to bed but I didn't make it so I felt very sad that's my suck
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