Life Uncut - Offcuts: Met Gala Served Nipples, A Reddit Thread About Men Who Stayed Too Long & The Corporate Worker Who Did Nothing for 12 Months

Episode Date: May 8, 2026

Hey Lifers! Welcome to your weekend num num 🎙️ The Met Gala happened and we need to talk about the nipples. All the Kardashians coordinated sheer looks with visible nipples and Britt is calling i...t... this was a business decision, something Skims is coming. We also cover Kim's limo vlog, the Olympian who shot actual bubbles from her gown, Blake Lively showing up post-trial completely unbothered, and Zendaya quietly pulling the pin, which might be its own statement. Then a Reddit thread where men explained why they didn’t propose or finally left. One had “one foot out the door for years.” Another said the sex was “dog shit” but he was “too emotionally weak to end it.” We get into fertility vampires and why “I didn’t want to hurt her” isn’t landing the way they think it is. Next, a UK corporate worker who suspected her job might not be real and quietly did almost nothing for a year to test it. She sent a 15-minute task list on Monday mornings and a couple of emails to show she was online. No one noticed. She had to quit herself! We debate whether it’s actually her fault and how much work people are really doing anyway... It's Sir David Attenborough100th Birthday!! We celebrate accordingly.  And we close with Holly Butcher’s viral letter, written at 27 before she passed from cancer, urging us to whinge less and give more - her perspective on life is worth sitting with this Saturday morning. ⏱️ TIMESTAMPS00:00 — Are we still doing the Met Gala? And why the vibe is shifting03:17 — The nipples: coordinated, intentional, and probably a Skims launch04:25 — Kim's behind-the-scenes vlog: late, lost her phone, can't move in the outfit08:01 — Met Gala chaos, bubble dresses & who actually delivered13:41 — The Reddit thread: why men didn't propose or finally left20:29 — The woman who did nothing at her corporate job for a year and no one noticed33:55 — Happy 100th birthday Sir David Attenborough40:00 — Holly’s letter: a final reminder on how to liveYou can watch us on Youtube Find us on Instagram Join us on tiktok Or join the Facebook Discussion Group Hosted by Britt Hockley & Laura Byrne Video & Audio Produced by Vanessa Beckford & Lachy Pugsley Tell your mum, tell your dad, tell your dog, tell your friend and share the love because WE LOVE LOVE! XxSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hi guys and welcome back to another episode of Life Uncut. I'm Laura. I'm Brittany. And this is our Off Cuts episode. Now if you are new to the podcast and you are starting right here, this is just our little nommy nom nom episode. It's all the stuff that we've been throwing around in the group chat. It's where all the bottom dwellers and all the dregs come together and we make an episode out of it. No, it's not. Sometimes it's our best episode of the week. It's where all the stinking bottom feeder shit goes. Now let's talk about the Met Gala. What a good segue. Honestly though, the Met Gala, we are going to talk about the Met Gala. How do you feel about it? Are we still doing it? Yes, we're still doing it. It was a rhetorical
Starting point is 00:00:45 question, Laura. Thank God. We are still doing it. We've never been invited. Look, I have a lot of feelings last year we did a whole episode on the Met Gala two years ago or three years ago the Met Gala felt like this elusive exclusive voyeuristic height of fashion it felt really premium and cool and every single media outlet was talking about it and I just and everyone was talking about it positively as well like we loved the Met Gala it was like the thing and this year as I've been seeing things kind of pop up online and you know I mean this year the theme for it was fashion is art so every year they have a different theme and obviously like the costumes and the dresses are kind of like stylized around these themes as I was watching it and I was seeing
Starting point is 00:01:29 more shit pop up on the internet and like on socials I had this moment where I was like none of these people are having a good time not a single person that is at the Met Gala is going there just to enjoy themselves the amount of effort and work that's gone into being like primped and primed and squeezed into the outfit and then they can't move and they're standing there and they're I was like all of this just feels so incredibly dystopian it feels as though we're in the Hunger Games and it's like they're in the capital and we're all watching on being like yeah fight fight to the death and they're all sitting there like ha ha ha ha swilling their wine and like eating eyeballs like it just feels absolutely dystopian I I agree it it feels now
Starting point is 00:02:11 that you've said it's very capitalish but I still I'm not mad about it like when it when I watch it it doesn't incite anger or hatred. I still like to look at the fashion. There's a reason that the tone is shifting. There's a reason people are moving away from being as obsessed as we always have been and talking about it only positively. And that's just because of, I think, the cost of living crisis and where the world is going right now and the things that are happening in the world. The last thing that we want to be looking at is celebrities that have paid $10,000 to $20,000 for a table just to be able to attend. Then they've paid $20,000 for their outfit.
Starting point is 00:02:47 And it's not to raise money to cure cancer. It's for like a fashion art museum. Like it's an old costume museum, which I think is insane. And now when we realize how many people in the world could do with those kinds of funds or how much good could be done from that kind of money, it rubs us the wrong way. But when we remove that, sure, I still like to look at the fashion. The stranglehold that it has on us as like the viewers,
Starting point is 00:03:10 I think that it has absolutely softened. Like, I just don't think that people care about the Met Gala in the same way that they used to. I also think that the exclusivity around fashion and the exclusivity around Hollywood stars, which I know is ironic after I was like very excited about Sydney Sweeney, but I think this idea that they are intangible or untouchable, like godlike people, I think that that has kind of started to subside. I do think that we have way more accessibility to our Hollywood stars through social media
Starting point is 00:03:37 now that kind of, I don't know. it doesn't feel as gripping being a voyeur and watching in on this anymore it doesn't feel as though it has like I said the stranglehold on us like it used to and I agree with you Brie I think all of those reasons but I also just think like it feels incredibly out of touch now and I just don't think people care as much I was surprised by how much the culture shift had happened this year you know I quite like that we've been led into the world though and I say that because I'm thinking Kim Kardashian posted I guess a vlog getting ready for the Met Gala and like the behind the scenes stuff and I do like how she takes you inside like she she gets into a car
Starting point is 00:04:15 and she's basically she's late right she's like oh my god we've got to go we haven't finished my hair whatever she gets into her car to get to the venue and she's talking about she's panicking about how she lost her phone and she's like I don't know where to put my phone does anyone have a bag and I like the fact that we're calling a spade a spade and we can see the way that it really goes down so I I don't know I don't know if that's turning people off by saying that we have so much access to them I personally like the level of insider access we get to celebrities now because it makes them feel a little bit more normal even though they're not they're living a world that will never live but you still see those humanized characteristics I don't know I
Starting point is 00:04:51 quite like it but what even what you just said then Brit about like Kim Kardashian creating content around running late for the Met Gala nothing she does is not strategic she was not running late for the Met Gala. That is not real. It is a fabricated urgency. It's kind of like a 101 in engagement on social media. If you see someone being like, oh my God, I'm running late, but I've just put on this dress and I don't know what to wear. But in the instance of Kim Kardashian, trust me, she's not fucking running late to something that they've just spent $20,000 on a pop for a ticket or whatever the tickets cost. And her entire day is curated around getting ready for the Met Gala. No, and it wasn't content about running late, but she's in the car.
Starting point is 00:05:32 You can see she's late. She's in the car being taken there and the big blim or whatever it is has screens on it. And as she's going there, I think it's Kendall or Kylie, one of the other sisters is on the red carpet being photographed and Kim's not even there yet. So like that, it's real. It's not like she was like, oh my God, I'm never going to make it. But they're like, oh my God, look how good she looks. Like it was just a behind the scenes insider take. I just quite enjoyed, I love how Kim's doing these now. I love how she's, she doesn't care that she comes across as superficial because she is.
Starting point is 00:06:00 Her brand is on that. And so she owns it and she just takes you along the journey. I personally quite like it and I hate that I'm saying that, but for me it just, I don't know, it makes them a little bit more normal. I just think I'm a cynical old bag because I see things like that and I'm like, oh, my God, it's such fake urgency. Now I like, you want to know, does she make it on time?
Starting point is 00:06:17 What, you know, how did it go? I guess it like hooks, it is a quintessential hook that hooks you into the content and makes you want to watch along for the entire journey rather than it just being like. You watch me do a video about running late today. I'm going to be like, guys, quick. I'm so late. What should I wear?
Starting point is 00:06:33 Something that did happen at the Met Gala. You guys would have seen it and we do have to discuss it, albeit not for too long. The fucking Kardashians in the nipple dresses. Is this an ode to Skims? You know how Kim Kardashian, I think it was last year, brought out the bra that had the nipples built into the bra? Well, this year at the
Starting point is 00:06:49 at gala all the kardashians are wearing some sort of nip dress something that was like an ode to that kind of like nipple design for a moment i was like oh my god maybe this is a new in-fashion thing no one else was doing it just the kardashians and all of them had nipples built into their dress there were quite a few nipples like um hayley bieber did nipples as well but not the same hayley bieber did more cones no one had like it in like she had nipples too not like in a soft body con with a nip, not a nip-nip. Are you sure? Let's look up Hailey Bieber's nipples.
Starting point is 00:07:21 That feels wrong. Google it. Live Google. I quite liked it. I really liked the nipples and I genuinely thought everyone of the Kardashians looked incredible, incredible. And Kim Kardashian wore this. You have to look at it.
Starting point is 00:07:38 It's like a fluoro-orange armour. It was like she was going to war. She was going to fashion war. it was an armor and it fit her body and it was very unusual but i you know she always delivers except for that one time that she was pregnant and wore the carpet that was weird she delivered on this front like she looked like a couch she looked like she just looked like a couch it was not and i'm not being mean it was the pattern whatever i wasn't into it but um i i thought they all looked amazing genuinely i thought kendall kylie and kim i loved their fashion
Starting point is 00:08:10 And there was one girl, I don't know if you saw it. Her name's Eileen. She was the Olympian snowboarder that went viral recently for her, the way she answers press conferences and stuff like that. She's incredible. And she's also stunning. She went to the Met Gala. I don't know if you saw it.
Starting point is 00:08:27 She had this dress on that shot out bubbles as she was walking. It was a bubble dress and it also had bubbles. So she's walking the carpet and it's bubbles are coming out of a dress. I fucking loved it. I thought that was cool, fun. She looked amazing. It brought attention without, you know, being naked. I loved it.
Starting point is 00:08:45 We pretty much hired someone like that for Marley and Lola's birthday parties. I'm pretty sure she was wearing the same outfit. Oh, very similar. Britt, I didn't know. I didn't know that you were such a Kardashian stan because I think the nipple dress is so ridiculous. I like a lot of things with fashion. I like it that it pushes the boundaries.
Starting point is 00:09:03 I'm even for the nude dress. I'm not offended by seeing a full tit, but there's something weird about a fake nipple over a dress that I was like, why, why, when are we not freeing the nipples? We're concealing the nipples, but we want the nipple to be freed. So we're going to build it into our skirt. I would like on record that I'm not a Kardashian stan. You cannot throw those statements around willy nilly Laura. I'm not a Kardashian stan, but I don't dislike them either. I like, I don't judge them for anything. Sometimes I hate what they do and say in their messaging. And sometimes I love it. Sometimes I hate their fashion. Sometimes I love it. They don't bother me, but I thought
Starting point is 00:09:37 all of them looked amazing at the Met Gala that's what I will say the nipples didn't bother me this time and maybe that's because I don't wear a bra often so like my nipples are always out like I never wear a bra you can always see my nipples it doesn't bother me but I just thought I thought they looked cool I don't quite understand the why I don't know if it was a push to skims I and I don't understand the connection necessarily maybe I don't haven't looked into it enough and I don't get it i don't get the wife to the fashion is art that the nipple connection for all the kardashians but they're a marketing powerhouse it would not surprise me if something new was coming out that they're all going to push on top of like not even just the skims bra i mean like
Starting point is 00:10:16 maybe something else is coming they didn't all accidentally rock up with the same nipple dress no one cares about my fashion takes on the met gala but i just think it's stupid that can be if you're going to quote me from anything from this episode it's that the met gala is stupid There is a Reddit thread. Now, it is called Ask Men, which I don't want to get cancelled for hating men again, but it's called Ask Men. We don't hate men. We don't hate all of them, but we hate some, but not all men,
Starting point is 00:10:44 just the ones that are terrible. Okay, so the name of this article is Men in Long-Term Relationships, Why Didn't You Propose? Now, this is a compiled, I guess, like comment section of men who have spent a very long time in relationships, who have shared the reasons as to why they didn't propose to their long-term girlfriends. Some of these responses had me absolutely enraged. Now, have you guys, I mean, we've talked about on episodes a really long time ago, but Brie, you would remember this term. It's called a fertility
Starting point is 00:11:15 vampire. Have you heard of it? Yeah. So for anyone who hasn't heard of a fertility vampire, it's someone who takes a woman's most fertile years, knowing full well that they actually don't want to marry them, knowing full well that maybe that's not their forever person, but this relationship is good enough for right now. And so you find yourself in an eight-year or a 10-year relationship just hoping that that person's going to propose and going to have kids with you, whatever it is. And it's obviously very specific to women who want committed long-term relationships. They want to have babies.
Starting point is 00:11:47 They want to get married. And their partners are just kind of like dangling the, oh, it'll happen soon, carrot in front of them, and then eventually they break up. That's what has been coined a fertility vampire. Yeah, and it's frustrating because the multitude of this thread, and there were so many people that responded to this thread, like so many men with their reasons, and I feel like the overarching reason were people that seemed to have no idea, and maybe I'm giving them
Starting point is 00:12:14 the benefit of the doubt, no idea what they were doing to that woman in terms of taking her most fertile years. It's almost like they know without knowing. It's like they're not thinking it because the first one that I want to read you is I had one foot out the door a few years into the relationship and I never found a reason to put it back in I just didn't know how to break it off until I was finally able to do so like this is somebody that is saying oh like I knew for years I didn't want to be with her but I just couldn't do it couldn't be fucked couldn't bring that into my life knowing for years with a
Starting point is 00:12:45 woman that might be in her 20s and 30s that you do not want to be with her but you're pretending that you are is the epitome of a fertility vampire and it is so problematic well look there were actually so many comments in this thread and it is frightening when you think about the fact and I know that there's women who do it too but I would say it is disproportionately men who choose to stay in long-term relationships where they have absolutely no interest in settling down or having kids or getting married to that person but it suits them at that time and a lot of the women who are waiting and hoping that they will be proposed to and that their relationship will move to the next phase.
Starting point is 00:13:22 These are some, we want to read you out some of the reasons that people have given. Here's one. I loved the sex with her. It was wild. However, really all the other bits of our relationship were just not great. She had no sense of humour.
Starting point is 00:13:34 She did not like to try new things and really did not seem like wife material to me. She's really bad with money, like really bad, to the point where I am not sure I want to continue with her or see any point in having kids with her. Imagine feeling like that about someone and never telling them and being in a relationship with them for eight years and them having no clue that you actually have no interest in committing long term. It's crazy. This one actually I think is kind of justifiable.
Starting point is 00:14:01 So as much as like we're shit canning, I also think that this one would be a reason why someone would kind of fluctuate between consider and reconsidering. He said this. every time I think that we are ready for it we end up having a really big fight and she says genuinely really hurtful things that make me completely reconsider it I read that one and I was like fair okay like you get to a point where you're like ready to propose and then that person calls you a piece of shit and you're like do I want to be in a relationship with someone who makes me feel terrible all the time like that I think is an actual genuine I guess like back and forth reason as to why someone would consider whether or not a long-term commitment is right
Starting point is 00:14:35 for them a hundred percent but also then voice that don't just keep going into this cycle okay this one had me raging our sex life is absolute dog shit to me i have no cause to think it will ever become better it makes me question the entire relationship and as pathetic as it sounds i am just too emotionally weak to end it marriage would just chain me up further wow so he's he hasn't broken up with her but he doesn't want to be with her forever because he can't be bothered to break up with her don't talk about the fact that your sex life might not be where you want it to be like to me that is mind-blowing if you are saying i can't marry someone because i don't think our sex life will get better it's dog shit but every other part of them is great there is such a big
Starting point is 00:15:20 fucking problem there like that for me if you're if you're leaving just for that without sitting down and having a conversation with your partner you're pretty cool i know i want to read you one more because like some of these like this one i think is actually quite sad does getting married make a woman love you more question mark the lack of marriage puts pressure on a woman to be on her best behavior or else he can leave now marriage just puts pressure on the man but he leaves empty handed and she leaves with a lot more than she came in with imagine writing that and thinking that that is an okay mentality to have honestly this thread if you are already feeling enraged by i guess like the situation around dating this is not going to help you but the reason why we wanted
Starting point is 00:16:00 to talk about this is because, you know, I guess one person could view this as a self-awareness, like these men are coming to this thread to share how they actually and genuinely feel in relationships. The alternate question here is, is it fair to label all of these men in this comment section as fertility vampires or as not caring about the impact that they're having on their long-term partner? Yeah, this is not, to be clear, this is not supposed to be a man-hating thread, like, I mean, a conversation on our behalf. That's not what it was. I did, when I found it, I did find it interesting. And there were some, I mean, we've just compiled a few, there was a lot that I agreed with. I was like, oh yeah, I get that. I get why you didn't want
Starting point is 00:16:38 to propose and you left. But overarchingly, I think it's this idea that we need to bring more awareness, obviously to men about growing a set of balls. If you know, you don't want to be with somebody because wasting her most fertile years and potentially taking that from that woman, because you don't know what it's going to look like for her. You don't know what her fertility is doing. You don't know if she's going to meet somebody else. You don't know if she's going to be able to. So if you're staying, cause some of these people were with them for like eight or 10 years, knowing for years, they didn't want to be with that person. If you know, grow a set of balls. That's what I want to say. You know what though, Brooke, I also don't think that this is
Starting point is 00:17:12 just a conversation for how men should view relationships. I actually think when I read this and yes, I felt angry and I felt as though like so many women have been misled in the relationships that they're in thinking that they were going to be long-term, but actually their partner had like one foot out the door already. But what I took from this is how important it is as women to ask questions that might give you uncomfortable answers. Because I would dare say that a lot of people in these relationships aren't sitting down with their partners and asking point blank, do you want to marry me? Are we on this trajectory together? And if they are saying yes, then they're, then they're absolute horseshit because they're just lying to you. But the reason
Starting point is 00:17:51 why I say this is because I mean you guys know I talked about before being with Matt I was in a relationship for six years and he was always quite often on in his I don't want to say his commitment to me but like he was quite hot and cold with how he treated me like it was always it was either all the love or like he would completely ignore me and I and I mean like actually completely ignore me I'd come home from work and he would barely even say hello to me like it was so hot and cold we've been together for six years and I remember after we'd broken up one time gone back together and we were back together and things were amazing. And when we would break up, it wasn't like we were having weeks apart. Like we'd have a big fight and an argument and then it would kind
Starting point is 00:18:26 of be back. Like we lived together. It wasn't an insignificant relationship by any means. And I remember sitting down and saying to him this one night, do you see us getting married? Like we've been together for six years. In my mind, we would get, in my mind, I was convinced. I was like, there is no doubt that this is the man I'm going to marry. That's why I'm working so hard to make this fucking relationship work. And I was like, you know, he said something that felt dismissive of me in the future. And I was like, do you see us getting married? And do you see us having kids? And he looked me dead in the eye and he said, I'm just not sure that you are the person I want to get married to. And I was like, what? After six years, you don't know whether
Starting point is 00:19:05 you want to marry me. And he was like, yeah, you should know. He was like, I'm not sure. I'm still trying to figure that out. And that was such a fucking wake up call for me. And I think it was because I knew the answer, the whole relationship, but I think I was too worried to actually ask the questions and I looked for signs that reaffirmed how I felt and of course he gave lots of signs but I never actually asked point blank you know are you going to propose are we going to get married I never asked those questions because I was so fearful of what the answer was going to be and when I finally got it I felt like a fucking idiot that I'd waited so long with someone who quite clearly was never going to be at that same place with me so I guess what I'm trying to say
Starting point is 00:19:41 is I think it's as much as it's really important for men to know not to waste women's time or for anyone to waste anyone's time in a relationship. It's really important to ask the questions. If you know what you want, ask, because there's only going to be one of two answers. It's either going to reaffirm how you feel, or it's going to give you the tools to leave something that was never going to serve you in the first place. Yeah. And the scary thing is, Laura, is that some of these women would have asked, you know, these are men that are like, oh, I just didn't want to disrupt my life. And I didn't know how I didn't, to be fair, some of them, not to be fair, but some of them were like, I didn't want to hurt the person, you know, like I didn't want to hurt her. And you
Starting point is 00:20:15 think you're doing them a favor by saving their feelings but it's not like you're wasting so many more of their very valuable years so I don't know it was it's an interesting thread if anyone wants to go and have a look Laura question have you ever worked a job where you have thought I could literally do nothing and still be okay like my job is not needed my job is useless I'm going to do the least amount possible. I know I've never worked. Not this job. Okay. This job is not allowed. Imagine if I rocked up to work and I was like, I'm doing nothing today. I will sit in mute. I know. Zero prep has been done guys. Um, as much as it might sound that way. Um, no, look as much, yeah. As much as it might sound like we do no work, actually we, we prep a lot for this. Um,
Starting point is 00:21:00 okay. So yes and no. So I, I've never worked in a job where I thought my job was pointless. Like I, you know, I knew that the job had value and I knew that it would be seen if I wasn't working. So I was a graphic designer for a medical company, right? Like I had to actually produce the design. So I knew that they would be like, Hey, Laura, where's the ad that was supposed to be in the paper if I didn't do it. But what I have lied about is the intensity of the volume of work. So I worked for a pharmaceutical company back in the day. They used to do dental devices for people who had sleep apnea fucking niche the most niche thing you could i went man you're it's just shocking to me how creative you are now because you were at a hearing aid company and
Starting point is 00:21:44 a dental company and like you really worked your way up i did hearing aids and then i did dental okay but both but when i was at the mandibular advancement splint uh company and i also was at the hearing aid company i did literally no work i used to have like a furious monday and then Tuesday to Friday, I would do fuck all. And I would literally work on Tony May. And that's because I, and I believe this, I think that most people in their jobs, not everyone, there are some people who work incredibly hard, who are super career driven, who are really motivated, but there is a huge proportion of people who rock up to work and who do the absolute bare minimum and they get by and they provide enough work to satiate whatever is like the company expectation, but they're
Starting point is 00:22:27 actually only working at 30% of their own capacity. And so that was me. I was like coming in on a Monday, smashing the workout. And then I was doing all of my Tony May work. I would like minimize the screens and I would like work on Tony May in a window in the kind of tiny corner of my screen. And I was working on my business four days a week, getting paid for it. Terrible. Don't do that. I know. That is insane to me. I've never really had a job I could do that in. Like I'm trying to think but you would notice right like when i'm in a hospital if i didn't resuscitate that person then no like brittany's working at 30 i'm like hey guys i don't really want to take this one i've done one you're supposed to do like what one breath every five seconds brittany does
Starting point is 00:23:12 one every 30 yeah well you're supposed to do it to if anyone wants to know this is what they used to say you're supposed to pump a heart to like stay in a lab stay in a lab which is very ironic like that song is ironic but it's not about the words it's about the the beat the repetition and the beat and like it's supposed to be what keeps you in anyway whatever people would notice if I didn't do the work that's my point so I don't think I've ever had it so I found this really interesting what we're talking about the reason we bring it up is there's this UK corporate well she was a prior corporate worker and she's a writer. Her name is Layla Kazim and she spent nearly a decade doing corporate work before she realized, I don't think I actually do anything.
Starting point is 00:23:56 So she worked for a really long time and she thought, I don't think my job is valid and I'm going to conduct a bit of a corporate social experiment where I don't work for a year and see if anyone notices. Now this sounds insane, right? It sounds insane to think that you can go to a corporate job for 12 months, do nothing, and no one will know. But that is exactly what happened. When I say do nothing, so she had a few little rules. She needed to do just enough to let people think she was doing something, but not actually contribute in any way. So she said she'd go to work on like a Monday or Tuesday and in the mornings, she'd spend 15 minutes quickly compiling some lists to show her manager to be like, hey, this is what I'm working on this week.
Starting point is 00:24:38 Her manager would briefly look at it and be like, sounds good. Keep going. And that was literally all she did. Sent off an email or two so that it was shown that she logged in in the morning and then she would do nothing. And she was waiting until they would notice. No one noticed to the point that she had to quit her job. She was like, I actually can't do this anymore. You guys are cooked. And after 12 months of doing nothing and being paid, she was busy planning like a really in-depth 10-month trip around the world, like she was taking a leaf out of your book, Laura, and just working on other shit. And no one noticed until she was like, I need to go and live my life, man. I can't wither away here. Well, this is the thing, right? So the experiment
Starting point is 00:25:16 didn't end because she got fired. Like you said, it ended because she went on an overseas trip. So basically she spent her whole time like organizing her itinerary for her travel itinerary, but doing it on an Excel spreadsheet. So when people walked past, they thought she was working, but she was just booking in all of her flight organizations, like filling out where she was going to be eating at dinners. So funny. I have very complex feelings about this. And I say that as someone who runs businesses and employs people on one hand, I fucking get it. If your manager is not a good enough manager or your bosses are not good enough bosses, they're not clocked in on your performance or on what you were building for the company and like following sort of a vision and
Starting point is 00:25:57 an ideation that you can get away with doing absolutely nothing. I actually don't think that you are purely the one to blame. I think it's a leadership problem as well. So I do have complex feelings because I feel as though on some parts, I agree with what Layla is saying, but in other parts, as someone who owns a business and runs a business, I'm like, you are absolutely taking the piss and then taking a paycheck. Like, I think that there's one thing which is doing the bare minimum and actually still providing to what the company output is. And then there is showing up to work doing nothing and trying not to get caught for it but anyway these are her six yeah but that's not her fault right because it's not that she's not doing her job it's that they create a
Starting point is 00:26:37 job that doesn't need to be there so she was like i'm gonna test if i actually need so it's not like she's scamming out out of work it's just that the work wasn't there no i agree and also it's why i say it's a leadership problem but i guess the reason why it is an issue is because often in these environments when there's one person who's totally slacking off it increases the workload for other people and so often other people in the team know that there's one person who's doing fuck all like they don't know what they're doing but they're left with that feeling of like i don't know what she does all day because the stuff's not getting done do you know i mean it's like this feeling of resentment that builds it really ruins the culture of a team but i think the other
Starting point is 00:27:12 part is is like it's no wonder why big companies do mass redundancies and it's really hurtful because i know a lot of people who work incredibly hard who are made redundant yeah but the reason why so many big companies do these massive culls isn't just because they're financially struggling or they financially need to restructure. It's also because they have a huge amount of people in their workforce who are working at like 20% capacity and they know that. And so they have to kind of like dwindle the teams down in order to get a higher productive output from people. But I wanted to read these for you because I do think that they're funny. So it is her six winning steps for what she calls the game of modern work. Number one, admit to yourself that your job is
Starting point is 00:27:55 bullshit. Now, anthropologist David Gaber coined the term for roles that are just so completely pointless, unnecessary, and pernicious that even the employee cannot justify its existence. A YouGov poll found that 37% of British workers thought their jobs didn't contribute meaningfully to the world. That's big, you know. Yeah, it's massive. 37%. Wait for this though, we conducted our own Life Uncut poll. And the question was, be honest, are you giving your work 80% or above? 66% of you said that you were giving your work. And this is at the moment, I only put this up a little while ago. So it's 16,000 people have written into this poll. 66% of you said that you were giving 80% or above to your job. 34% said that you were bludgeoning and
Starting point is 00:28:42 doing the absolute bare minimum. 34%. Laura, can you just swipe up to see if any of our employees responded to that second one? Just see which button they clicked. 34% of people are doing fuck all in their workplace. Do you know what I reckon it is? And I hate to say this, but it has to be some kind of big conglomerate that people are working for. If you can get away with doing nothing for a year and no one notices, you're at a company where there's so many employees. like if anyone, for example, in our company, we're small, there's like seven of us. If someone's not doing something, you'll know. So my first thought is, okay, these are huge companies if you're getting away doing nothing. Secondly, is it the worst thing if you have somehow gotten a position
Starting point is 00:29:28 at Amazon and you're able to get away with doing 30%? Is it the worst thing if you sit in that job and take money from Jeff Bezos? I don't know. I reckon that's okay. I think you can play on in that sense. I just, I just wonder where these people are working to be able to get away with that. Oh, Bezos would never let it happen. He'd probably sew you to the chair. Okay. I want to read the rest of these out. Number two, he'll fucking stitch you into your seat. Put on a good performance. So you need to make it seem as though you're doing work. So your objective is to make your manager feel like they just don't have to think about you. You are not a liability to them. You can manage yourself. A spreadsheet is a great ruse. Now this is coming from Layla who spent 10
Starting point is 00:30:06 months working on her travel itinerary on a spreadsheet that people thought was actually her working. Another one was tactical slacking. What she recommends is using the reclaimed time on things that bring you joy. So my example of this is me using my reclaimed joy to build my business, Tony May. So I was getting paid by the medical device company to do the work of the medical device company, but I was also working on Tony May at the same time, simultaneously. Dude, this sounds like we're here advocating for, we're trying to teach people how to get away with doing no work for your boss. We're absolutely, we're like, hey, step three, pretend you're working.
Starting point is 00:30:41 We are not advocating for this, to be fair. Like this is not our list and we want you to work hard at your job. I think we are. We're here for the people. Don't work hard for a job that's not working hard for you. All right. Last one. No, there's two more.
Starting point is 00:30:53 Follow the path of least resistance. Don't waste energy where it doesn't matter. Nature never does. And then the last one was. What does that even mean? It just means, like, if you're working so hard on something that fucking doesn't care about you, doesn't give back to you, like, don't exhaust you.
Starting point is 00:31:06 Guys, no jobs care about you. We do. We care about you. No, but like, please, listening to this, we care about you so much. No, but do you know what I mean? You can't base your work ethic on if, like, I don't know. I think that's a lot. Okay, and the last one was, if you were drowning, get out.
Starting point is 00:31:21 A bullshit job with capacity to slack is one thing. A bullshit job that is stealing your life and your health is simply unsustainable. that is a different conversation entirely and I really really do agree with that I think at the end of the day it's you know I would hope that for everyone that you all have jobs that you feel impassioned by that you go to work that you want to work hard on because you actually enjoy your job and you enjoy the challenges that it places for you but if you're working in a job that pushes you really hard you find no joy in it and you are grinding yourself to the bone if you can
Starting point is 00:31:53 fucking leave because that is just no life and like no one and no job cares about you as much as you need to care about yourself yeah but you know what I say to that is like it is a very privileged thing to say most I would say most people and maybe this is another poll right most people in life don't do a job that they love they do a job because they have to put a roof over their head and finding a job you love in this climate is really challenging like there's not many people that get to wake up every day and say, I can't wait to go to work. Like I genuinely love what I do. I think you're truly blessed. If you can wake up every day and be like, I love my job. I'm stoked. Then you're very, very lucky. A lot of people have to just do what they've got to do
Starting point is 00:32:36 because there is no out. They can't just be like, you know what? I've had enough. And I think if you are able to say I've had enough and go find another job, brilliant. But I just want to recognize that I know how hard that is to leave a job sometimes to find something you love. absolutely and i think that this kind of like links into the whole emily blunt chat that we had on wednesday episode but i i want to preface this and i do think that this is an important part of it because i'm not talking about people who have no options and there is no other work available to them i know that that that exists for some people but there are also some of us who are breaking ourselves in our workplace the culture is fucking terrible you go to work you show up
Starting point is 00:33:12 you're working so hard because you feel as though you have something to prove or you feel as though it's the right thing or the just thing to do. I think sometimes we hold these impossible metrics for ourselves. And like, I agree with what she's saying in there. She's saying, if you were drowning in a job, that is a bullshit job that is stealing all the joy from your life and also your health. It's an unsustainable expectation. Like the workplace culture sucks. There's all this pressure on you to perform. Maybe you've been put on a performance review. If you can leave, if you do have the privilege to be able to choose, don't stay there because like life is too short to work in a job that you absolutely fucking hate if there are options elsewhere is all I'm saying
Starting point is 00:33:49 well we need to stop down and celebrate a very special person's birthday now it's no one we know but it's somebody everyone in the world feels like they know very well it is also Lockie's birthday in two days so we could that's what I was talking about happy birthday Lockie no one we know Lockie our video editor it's his birthday as well yay but also happy birthday Lockie no this is someone that i feel like is the world's grandpa and the world's father it's david attenborough it is his 100th birthday and i think that that takes a minute out of everyone's day here at life on cart to say happy birthday to david attenborough because he has to be one of the most incredible people that has walked this planet do you think he's listening to life on cart do you think on a
Starting point is 00:34:34 weekend david's just like sitting around the pool room and he just flicks on a little bit of off carts on a Saturday morning I um he's like nom nom nom nom he's like nom nom nom what I love about David Attenborough is he is truly the gift that keeps on giving the last like five shows that he's put out he's like this is my legacy and then he's alive for another year he's like fucking surprised too he's like this one's my legacy then he's like oh yeah he keeps retiring I'm still here this is definitely my final legacy that man is going to be 200 and he's going to have 100 legacy shows I love him. He's wonderful.
Starting point is 00:35:08 It's because he's like, well, I want to go out on a bang and make it like a big finale. I would imagine when you're nearing 100, you know your time's probably coming up. I hate to say that, but I guess that's why he keeps retiring and then he's like, fuck, I'm still here. I might as well go in a submarine and go do something. It's genuinely incredible to look at the life that he has had.
Starting point is 00:35:31 Do you know what, though? Wait, before you go on to his success, I just find it kind of ironic that we've come off the back of a segment which is talking about how little you can do in your job and then we've got someone who's 100 who will never retire. Like David Attenborough has never done anything at 30%. He's not bludgeoning his way through a documentary. Like he's there.
Starting point is 00:35:48 He's fucking got his head up an elephant's arsehole trying to see what's happening. Like he'll do it all. He is. Genuinely. Like hats off to the man. And also he's not just David Attenborough, he's Sir David Attenborough. Of course he is.
Starting point is 00:35:59 I didn't put the Sir in there. He deserves that respect. Look, the first thing I want to say, I've got a couple of points about him. He and I, I believe in a lot of very similar people. So the first point that I want to say is that when he got his first job in television, he didn't even have a TV. He didn't own a TV, didn't care, didn't want to know about it. So when I got my first job in television, which was The Bachelor, I had, if you can call that a job, I had to buy a TV also to watch The Bachelor. So I also, very similar to David, was just out there saving the world. Not all heroes
Starting point is 00:36:31 you truly are an icon although i do want to remind you that on our contract for the bachelor it specifically said that we were not employees so it was not a job we were just lending our time legally we were not employed by warner brothers look i think that this is actually so fucking cool and it is a testament to just how old he is david attenborough is the only person to have won a bafta for programs in black and white color hd and also 3d he's and you know what we're probably going to bring him back as a hologram he's going to win them all he's such an icon well okay this is i don't know if this is a i don't know if this is a fact we've googled it to be a fact but you never know apparently he has never had a driving license he's never passed a
Starting point is 00:37:13 driving license and doesn't own a car which you know what i would believe because i believe he's the person that's doing the most for the environment he also doesn't need one well you have to get it how's he getting around horse and cart i'd love to know that like how how does david actually that would suit him. Imagine you were in the street and David Attenborough goes passing a horse and cars. I just think he's such an icon. He's got a driver. Like he's not, if he's not avoiding cars, Brittany, he's still in a car. He's just paying someone to do it for him. Nah, he's doing the most. By the time he was famous and cars were actually around, he already had someone who could drive for him. He never needed a car. He's been doing so well for so long. The
Starting point is 00:37:47 guy's fine. I think, I think this is like really one of the coolest things to be able to hang your hat on like imagine being so successful and doing so much and like as we know he's not just been someone who's been creating documentaries but he's also been such an advocate for the environment and for animals but more than 50 different species of plants and animals have been named after him I don't want to read them all out because I'm going to get them wrong but they're like things like the Attenbori a flightless beetle there's also the Breckenbeekus no there's the Attenborosaurus Attenborosaurus is a dinosaur. No, it's not a dinosaur, you idiot, but it's linked
Starting point is 00:38:23 to like a prehistoric marine animal, but it is called the Attenborosaurus. And I wish I was joking, but I think that is the best name. I want a Brittany Hockleysaurus or something named after me. Attenborosaurus, that is epic. You really know you've made it in life if you have animals and also not only living animals but like extinct species named after you, an Attenborosaurus.
Starting point is 00:38:46 Doris happy 100th birthday to David Attenborough yeah also do you know who else's birthday 100 birthday it would have been oh god it was my papa's 100th birthday firstly before I take that seriously how would I know that like I was really racking my brain I was like did I miss someone's 100th birthday like oh happy birthday grandpa papa so for anyone if you guys if you're not know jay life you probably don't know this but like my papa passed away six years ago now when we very first started the podcast it happened in the first few months of us doing the podcast he did everything for me and so this week has been like a little memory week and when i saw this i was like that's really cool firstly they were born in the same year but also it's just kind of cool
Starting point is 00:39:30 that you can get have someone who's still on the earth at 100 i was like i wish he was still around he was like celebrating his 100th birthday yeah but it's also it's also good he hasn't been around to hear a lot of the podcasters but there's been some there's been some moments he would have sorry not even disowning he would have rolled over in his grave being italian last week when you said to me bonjour dude rest in peace papa i don't think that that's the thing that would have sent him i think it's when i said everyone likes a pinky in the stinky would have been like that's my girl no he would have loved that he's like get it laura now this probably seems like a really down way of ending an episode that's meant to leave you in the weekend feeling upbeat
Starting point is 00:40:08 but I read this and it really moved me and it really made me think about the priorities that I have in my life and I wanted to leave you guys with something that I guess like when I read it had a profound impact on me this is a letter that was written by a 27 year old Australian woman her name is Holly Butcher now Holly died in 2018 after she was diagnosed with Ewing's sarcoma which is like a very rare and aggressive form of cancer before she died she wrote a letter and that letter has been very widespread across the internet and recently it has been you know how sometimes things have a second burst it's been shared quite a bit recently and gone viral for a second time now I wanted to read you part of what this letter says it says it's a strange thing knowing that
Starting point is 00:40:53 you're going to die young at 26 I thought I had time to fall in love to start a family I'm gonna cry to grow old I know but cancer doesn't care about plans now I understand how fragile life really is. Every single day is a gift, not a guarantee. I'm not writing this to scare you. I'm writing to remind you to really live, to stop stressing over the little things, to be kind to your body and to move it, to nourish it, to stop criticizing it, because one day you will wish that you had appreciated it. Go outside, look at the sky, feel the sun, just be. Spend less time chasing stuff and more time making memories. Don't skip moments with people you love. Laugh more, write a note and tell someone that you love them. Complain less, give more. Helping others brings more joy
Starting point is 00:41:44 than anything you can buy. Be present, put your phone down, show up, really show up. You don't need to have it all figured out. You don't need a perfect body or a perfect life. Just follow what makes your heart light up say no to what drains you make changes when you need to and please donate blood I wouldn't have had the last extra year without it and that year gave me memories I'll hold close forever thank you for reading this live your life well and maybe we'll meet again someday Holly now there is so much more to this letter and this is just a summarized version of what she wrote I'm gonna link the letter in the show notes because I honestly just thought I know it seems so simple. And some of these things we read on, you read on Hallmark cards
Starting point is 00:42:28 and you read, you know, on different quotes and things, but I think it really hits you when you know that that's written by someone who was only 27 years old and didn't get the opportunity to live out all the things that she wished she had more time for. It is actually such a, it's such a long letter. There is so much more to it. We do want you all to go and read it because it is such a beautiful reminder that life is not given and it is not guaranteed and nothing is guaranteed. And it's, I get it. It's really hard when you are healthy and okay to sometimes put these things into use or prioritize the things that she's, that Holly's saying in this letter. Like when you are well, you don't realize what you've got to lose until you've lost it. So I understand why
Starting point is 00:43:11 sometimes it's really hard because every person that gets really sick or may have a terminal illness that I know has always said the same thing, which is don't take your health for granted and realize what you've got while you've got it. And it's really hard to do that when you haven't been in that position. So I think something like this, if you can go and sit in this and really read this, it is a really beautiful reminder that you are not guaranteed your health. So go and be happy and don't sweat the small stuff. And I think when I read this letter, something that I was thinking about is realizing the position that you're in because one thing we didn't read then that she says is whinge less people and help other people more. Give, give, give. It is true that you
Starting point is 00:43:54 gain more happiness doing things for others than doing them for yourself and that is something that I think about if you're in a position of privilege in any capacity to give back and help someone that might not be in your position. That was something that really hit home for me. Yeah and I think lastly the last thing that I really took from this is like I know that there's so much conversation around being present like be present in your relationships put your phone down but I think that we all get caught up in the rat race we get caught up in the hustle we get caught up in rushing from one thing to another thing in getting home from work trying to like feed the kids get the kids to bed like we are all rushing all the time and it doesn't really kind of I mean even now I'm
Starting point is 00:44:30 kind of rushed from here so I can rush home like it really does feel like we spend our life rushing from one thing to the next and we are doing multiple things at the one time simply because we have access through our phones so you might be having dinner but you're also checking an email or you're trying to like you know read the kids book but at the same time you're going through the mental checklist of shit that you've got to do and I think for me the biggest part of this that I took from it and also maybe the thing to leave you with as you go into your weekend is this concept of being present in the moments that you can be and if you do have the opportunity to be and sit with if you've got kids with your kids if it's with your partner with your partner if it's with
Starting point is 00:45:06 your friends whoever it's with that i think that we have so many connections in our lives but where we spend so much of it being disconnected because we are so busy thinking about all the other things we've got to do and all the rushing that we've got to do between the stuff so i know that that is a little bit more i don't want to say it's down because it's definitely not down but it definitely definitely takes the mood to a different place but i i read it and it is it's it it is it's definitely a down way to finish it but an important way to finish it or is it kind of like well she's passed away and she's giving her life yeah like it's I know that but I kind of I absolutely understand that I'm not obviously I understand the content of it in the context but I actually
Starting point is 00:45:45 think that it's left as meant to be inspiring I don't I don't read that it is and read it with a level of deep sadness I feel that for her and for her family but I read that as though what a legacy and kindness to leave behind that the last thing that you want to give to people is a sense of appreciation for the things that you wish you had more of and that's what I think I'd get out of that. But anyway, guys, that is it from us. We hope that you loved the episode. If you did, go and leave a review. You can also watch all this on YouTube. You can subscribe to our YouTube channel. We would love you to do that. Not begging, even though we have been in the past. No, we are begging. We're not above it.
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