Life Uncut - Offcuts - Silent Retreats, Penguin Pebbles and Cheaters Forced Into Escape Rooms

Episode Date: March 13, 2026

Welcome to Offcuts where we chat about whatever piqued our interest this week in a light, fun little package to send you off on your weekend! We chat: Silent retreats Penguins and their pebbles Should all cheaters have to do this escape room? The customer isn’t always right The terrifying trend to do with ‘obeying’ and younger men are most likely to be into it You can watch us on Youtube Find us on Instagram Join us on tiktok Or join the Facebook Discussion Group Hosted by Britt Hockley & Laura Byrne Produced by Keeshia Pettit Video Produced by Vanessa Beckford & Lachy Pugsley Tell your mum, tell your dad, tell your dog, tell your friend and share the love because WE LOVE LOVE! XxSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hi guys and welcome back to another episode of Life Uncut. I'm Laura. I'm Brittany. And this is our spoisy little offcuts episode where we nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom. Where we nom you into the weekend. Where we unpack all the things that have been going down in the group chats this week. Yeah. The group chat that I never read. Yes, which Which is the ongoing joke. Haha, so funny. Laura never knows what's going on in the group chat. Guys, I try.

I do try. I'm just overwhelmed. Like I said, I live in a constant state of overwhelm. And so when I do get to the group chat that says 100 unread messages, I'm about to throw my phone in the ocean and go to a silent retreat. Has anyone ever thought about going to a silent retreat? You absolutely should. We'll fill in for you.

Just in case we'll fill in for you. Go to a silent retreat. I don't know if I could do it. Do you reckon you could do a silent retreat? I'd hate it. If Laura could do a silent retreat. I could. I love not speaking.

When I'm not speaking for work, I will not say a word. I will only speak to my dog. So I went on a – I didn't went on a date. I dated this guy briefly who went to a week-long silent retreat, a week long, and he said that he started hallucinating by day seven and he wasn't joking. He wasn't joking. He was like it was a really unique experience.

And then he went back and did a second one And at that point I was like, we have nothing in common. I think you just take acid, man. I get them. It's like, let's just do mushrooms. That's immediately. Why would you wait seven days? Why would you wait seven days?

Sorry, we're joking. I get the silent. I get it. I get it. But seven days is a lot. I think four days would be the sweet spot. What about those dark retreats? Remember how Elizabeth Gilbert went on one of those,

like they put you in a literal cave and they like just bring you meals and you're in darkness for days. You're a bear. That's prison a hundred years ago where they did solitary confinement. Why are we paying money for this shit? It's almost as though they've gone, what are some real torture? We're going to do it because it's going to build mental stability. But what's like actually a torture thing that we can inflict?

And people pay money for it and we'll package it up as wellness. It's like my Shakti mat, but times a thousand. No, it's not like that. Going into a cave and being fed food thrown down the cave is different to your mat. The silent retreat, I think, actually has a lot of science behind it about what it does for you but the dark retreat being thrown food is like you're like a dog you're like oh fucking like that's like it's like no one wants to come into you remember that time when I was really sick with COVID and the flu simultaneously I thought I was dying Keisha came into my room

she wouldn't come close enough she like threw me a bread roll across the room and then like scurried out that was the equivalent of what a dark retreat sounds like to me it smelled like a dark retreat no it didn't it smelled like way worse than a dark retreat I don't even want to revisit that. I feel unwell thinking about it. You could tell it was like necrosing skin. It was like I was dying. It was, it was not good. We do have some, we actually have some really good things to unpack this week that we have all been, you know, in our own rights obsessed with. Brit's got a real banger to start the year. No, the thing is, it doesn't have to be anything we're obsessed with. It just has to be something that got our attention and we think is worth making it to the

end. Yeah. And some of it's very feel good and I love that. And I also, okay, I'm joking, but what you do have to start this ep off with is something that when I saw it on Instagram too, I may not have read the details, but I did. I was like, that's real gives you the warm and fuzzies. Yeah. It's even warmer and fuzzier when it's the truth. Let me tell you the story. When it's not university students. I have felt a real connection here because I used to live in Scotland. I used to live in Edinburgh and this has to do with Edinburgh hospital and Edinburgh zoo. And my little baby niece, Maya was born in Edinburgh hospital. Anyway, we're getting off track, but like it's a, it's a beautiful place and I saw this thing pop up you might guys might know that I've always

referred to my partners as like finding my penguin but it's not like I'm the only one penguins mate for life well most of them do some of them don't some of them are sneaky little bastards some of them are sneaky little cheaters but as a whole I like to say penguins mate for life Ben and I this is going to make you all vomit a little bit in your mouth we have I don't want to say it I'm already here Ben and I have Ben and I have key rings that match that when you put them together they're two penguins and when you put them together they're penguins with a love heart in the middle but obviously you just have one half each so it's like so cute it actually is really cute so I think Marley has the same one do you know we didn't buy them someone's I don't

know where they came from actually I just I got them in but you've been look even before meeting ben like the penguin chat has been penguin chat has been part of life uncut since day one like if you're an og lifer you know you know britney was searching for a penguin for a long time i week i w k w k no what i y k i y k y k what does that you don't know you don't know you don't know but i y k y k so basically what is happening basically the kids hospital in scotland is and this is the fourth year in a row they've done it they have a live stream to edinburgh zoo specifically to the penguin enclosure and there's a colony of penguins in there and what they do all the kids in the hospital have painted

pebbles however they want to paint them really colorfully really beautifully then they send them to the zoo and the zoo dumps all these pebbles in because when a penguin is choosing its partner it will search high and low for the right pebble it takes the pebble and it will waddle over to it's the chosen partner so the man takes the pebble usually takes it over to the woman and it puts it in the female's feet and then she looks at the pebble and she decides if that pebble is good enough for her it's basically an engagement ring and then she accepts the pebble and they go off and live happily ever after and I think this is really cute because there's a huge pile there's a thousand pebbles that have been painted so like the penguins don't have to search

very high like everything's there but they go rummaging through it they're pecking through and they're finding the pebble that they like the best it's like going on the bachelor where they give you they present you with the rings that you can take and you rummage through the women and you rummage through the rings that they give you but that's what it is and it's cute because the kids are also back at the hospital and they can watch to see if their pebble the one that they painted was like the chosen one then the penguins are going over and dropping it at the female penguins feet now as wholesome as this is I do think it would be remiss of us to not talk about the fact that penguins do cheat and some of them are a bit sly so some penguins do mate for

life which is really cute but some of them if they haven't had a good mating season which means like maybe they didn't have enough babies or maybe their female is infertile they just fuck off they just go and they just go steal someone they're like you're barren go steal someone else's pebble like they'll take another pebble from another colony like not a new pebble they'll steal it from another penguin couple and then they'll go and find a new wife and they'll just like they just discard the other one it's just sounds like modern day dating it's just the same it sounds like living in the 1900s it sounds like a standard monogamous experience that we all have doesn't it it's like 2026 some people are mating for life and other people are lying about it

some people are in open relationships like it's all that it's the full gamut in the penguin colony put it that way yeah so it's like I mean we didn't see any cheating can I say though I came across this article it is the type of good news that we all need at this point in our life and with everything that's going on in the world but I only read half of it and I thought it was university students who were painting pebbles and I looked at the pebbles and I was like fuck that not very good and it turns out it was children in hospital Laura always reads half an article you judgment I did no I said to her I said hey we're gonna do the penguin chat super cute she goes oh my god I saw that, those PhD students that were painting those pebbles, so cute. And I was like, you mean

the sick kids in hospital? She was like, yeah. I was like, all right, I might not say that on the podcast, but I did anyway. Okay. Well, look, this is funny for two reasons, this story. Now we went deep on this. Keisha put this into our content prep and we almost discussed it on Wednesday's episode to do like a deep unpack on what I'm about to tell you. Because we thought it was so good. It was elite. Yeah. We were like, this is hilarious. Like, I mean, maybe this is something that we should implement if this means that we don't all get arrested. But basically, this was put into the content group chat and it turns out that it is completely fake.

So not only has it consumed us. Maybe fake. No, we don't know if it's fake. We just think. The internet has debunked this as being a fake story. But I also wanted to talk about this, not just because the story itself is hilarious, but because it just shows you how easy it is to believe something that's on the internet as being truth without doing your due diligence.

And thank fuck we didn't unpack this on Wednesday's episode, only to be called out by all you guys. I do it all the time. The number of things that I've sent to my family chat, like I'm really intelligent, like my family has a chat. Yeah, like that's AI. Yeah, but it's always Jay. So my brother-in-law, he's really got his finger on the pulse.

He's always like, Brittany, stop sending this without looking. I just read like a puberty headline and forward it. He's like, that's not true. He's like, that unicorn didn't ride that scooter. The seagull was not actually riding the scooter. We've all seen that. Okay, so this is the headline. Texas woman arrested after renting a skate room

and making her ex solve puzzles of accountability on valentine's day as you can understand we saw this and we were like must talk about this on the podcast yes maybe it's illegal but we're going to ignore that part for a second it's genius and if you've been cheated on i reckon that you should trap your partner in an escape room or you should send them on one of those dark retreats one of the two well it's funny because she and you know what even if this isn't true it will be true now because somebody will take inspiration from this rent an escape room and trap their ex in there to solve it to get out can I add this police say he expected a normal date night but instead walked into a custom themed room titled the truth will set you free if you can find

it it's so well so she had like a locked box labeled communication that would only open with the date of their anniversary which he had forgotten so it was things like obviously he had done stuff to I mean this fake man allegedly had done stuff to forget their anniversary but I think that's great right like you can only get I mean it is kidnapping you can only get out of of this locked room that i put you in if you can remember the date of our anniversary yeah there were things like a crossword made with his past excuses a wall of red string linking screenshots under the caption just a friend looping voice notes so like through the sound system just voice notes that he'd sent uh fog effects a countdown timer titled time you said you needed could have

been there for a while. And a final locked door that allegedly unlocked after defining accountability. The reason why I found this so funny once we discovered that this was actually untrue after many messages that were sent back and forth about this is because of how intensely well-documented the lie is. Like there's so many layers to it. It's not just a headline on Instagram. It's like whoever created this has really thought this out. It makes me think that they've actually done this because they have thought about the potential of doing it to someone who's wrong that I'm like doing next. Or it's their fantasy. They're like, how would I do it if I could do it? I don't reckon they've done it. I do not think they've done it. I think it

also like you don't rent an escape room isn't. You can't customize it. Well, you probably can in a way. Like I'm sure you could, right? If someone wants to go out of the way and do a proposal or something, I have no doubt you can do some customized things. That's a good idea. Yeah, it was actually. Fuck, Ben. No, I think you definitely could customize it. And I think that'd be a really great idea for somebody listening right now. You should do it. But it's not like an escape room is in an abandoned shed right like there are staff out the front that can hear and they can they're always monitoring in case somebody gets into trouble so if there is a man locked in a room screaming sos help i'm not supposed to be here and i'm

locked in the staff's gonna let them out well britney you've gotten ahead of yourself because the staff called the police after shouting was heard from inside officers later stated that the escape rooms are meant for entertainment not emotional trials he eventually made it out The relationship reportedly did not. Now, I am still in two minds about this because- It is kidnapping. Yes, I know it's kidnapping, but I know that we're saying it's not true, but it's so detailed that whoever's come up with this either really wanted to fool people and wanted to create

this viral news story, or maybe there is some validity to it. Maybe there's a version of this that exists in the world. I think this would be funny is don't do it to an ex because that is kidnapping, right? But it would be funny- It's actually not kidnapping the charge. they said in the in the numerous posts that i saw that it would be unlawful imprisonment okay well don't do it to an ex because that's me at the silent retreat once again it's unlawful imprisonment don't do it but i think it would be really funny to do with a partner

that had been on thin ice that had been forgetting anniversaries because it's almost a funny way to i don't want to say teach them a lesson but to like have some accountability i think it's and i think it's a really good story like if you have had a fight with your partner put them in and make one of these but don't do it to somebody that doesn't want to be there like it's a funny way to traumatize them into accountability have you guys ever done an escape room I love them yeah I was really disappointed with how dumb I am I couldn't get out I went with this amazing group of women actually if you listen to podcasts you would know some of them they're very very intelligent and I actually have never felt more stupid in my life I was like try and think outside

the box and I was trying to think of all these weird like obscure things that might be clues to get us out of the escape room. I solved zero puzzles the entire time. It's like, have you ever watched the TV show, The 1% Club? No. The 1%ers. I'm not a 1%. Okay. So Ellie watches it every day. She tried to get on to do the show. She's so good at it. And it's made me realize that I am definitely part of the 99% of people who cannot figure any of it out. Like I, I don't get a single one right. And she's like, oh yeah, winter. And I'm like, what? And she's, I'm like, You're talking in riddles. And she's like, well, no.

And she explains it. It's so obvious. My brain just can't put puzzles together. Was it like, what season is it when it snows? Laura's like, fuck, I know this one. I know this one. Give me a second. It's on the tip of my tongue.

Next up, we want to talk about somebody that we love, somebody that we have had on the podcast before. She's been to our live shows. She's brilliant on social media. She's a business owner. She owns Fate the Label, Brittany Saunders. Now, she pumps out. We love it.

she pumps out the best content but she pumps out a lot of business content like that's her shtick now and she what I love about her is she often goes I don't want to say against the grain but she she says what she really believes even if she thinks it's going to be controversial or something that other people don't necessarily believe in yeah and she shows like kind of like the unglamorous side of running a business you know I think we see a lot of like I'm an entrepreneur and I'm killing it look at the car I bought manifestation but then on this and this side of the coin i think britney as much as she's incredibly successful she shows like the trials and tribulations of what it's actually like running a retail focused econ business yeah she's also

really funny but we want to talk about a video that she put out a couple of days ago that said the customer isn't always right have a listen unpopular opinion i don't think the customer is always right i think that's an old-fashioned saying and a term used against businesses and brands. Maybe you disagree with me and I want to know, but here's a brand that proved it. This Aussie packaging brand, Hero Packaging, just publicly fired one of their customers and said, you are no longer allowed to shop with us because the customer yelled on the phone at one of their staff members. So is the customer always right? I feel like customers yelling at people on the other end of the phone or in a store is pretty common, right? And in that instance, it's very

easy to go well the customer is always right even if the customer is the one being rude nasty yelling at staff members and as a business owner myself I stand with this kind of energy because to be on the other end we need to protect our staff members and put their needs first especially when they're being yelled at or treated poorly by a customer and that's why I think the term the customer is always right is old-fashioned because people shouldn't be allowed to hide behind saying i'm the customer to treat people poorly so i applaud hero packaging for this hero packaging is the real hero here aren't they but you know it is so true so obviously laura you're a retail owner you can speak to it more than i can from when i was 17 and worked in a

surf shop but i am please though no i you lead i remember and i say when she says it's old-fashioned i'm quite old so this is old-fashioned but i remember i i did retail for i don't know 10 years. It was my first job and I did it all through uni and it's just what I did. But that was what they used to say to you. Just remember like the customer's always right. We don't want to piss the customer off. You don't want to get them upset. We'll always try and work through something. And there's something to be said for that, right? Like, yeah, you try and work through something with a customer. But I love that we have finally taken this modern spin on it. And we said, do you know what? We're not going to, we don't need your business enough for you to abuse us.

We're not going to stand for it anymore. Don't shop here anymore. If you're that unhappy that you think you can abuse our staff, of course, unwarranted. Fuck off. I think there's twofold to this though. I understand the importance of teaching a 17 year old retail staff person that the customer is always right. It is not their responsibility or their right to take authoritative measures. You know, you don't want to walk into a shop and having a 17 year old tell you that you're wrong when you're a customer, right? That that's not going to work either. It's not their place to do so. So I do think it's actually important to teach your customers that you are always customer led, that you will always work to solve their problems. And that if that means

bending the store rules sometimes, so like, let's say you have a return policy of three months, but they're four days out of it. Don't be a dick and don't be like, sorry, you missed the return policy. Of course, that's going to upset a customer and get them offside. It's more important to have repeat business and to try and work towards a solution for that customer than to be right sometimes. And I think that that's where it gets people super offside. so I do understand why that teaching is important however something I have learned from now having a retail business an econ business for 16 years is that there are certain types of people I know guys jokes started it Tony May I'm an overnight success everyone no it's it's funny because you

know you've been doing it for so long but when you put a number on it when you say 16 years you're like wow like yeah I started 16 years ago and so I've had and I used to work at the coalface like my job yes I've always been the designer but I used to work in the store and served every single customer when we used to have our shop in Westfield that was seven years of me working almost every day in a shop so I've had my time as a you know a retail staff worker at the same like front facing yeah front facing and doing every facet of the customer experience and what I know is that there are certain types of people who have learned over time that if they're loud and aggressive they get what they want like squeaky oil kind of yeah so it's like the squeaky wheel gets the oil

so it's like that type of customer service has changed and now I think that there is this kind of new wave of it if you yell at me if you're angry at me if you come in guns blazing I am way more inclined to tell you to go fuck yourself in a nice way than I am to help you depending on what the problem is and depending on whether we are actually the ones in the wrong but if you don't come with respect then I'm not going to meet you with the level of I guess like I'm not going to try and solve the problem I'm going to refer back to whatever our rules are as a business whereas if you come to me and be like hey you know this has happened and I'm really unhappy with this however I know that your terms say three months or six months or whatever it is but I'm hoping

you can make an exception oh my god like kindness will get you so much further people will want to help you because I think that that's where the shift has happened. So I definitely don't think the customer is always right. However, I think that there is a delicate dance between following rules as a business and trying to make the customer's experience one that will make them a return customer. Yeah. And I don't think that any front facing young or not even young, but any front facing employee isn't going to be the one that's going off saying you're wrong. It's what is happening is they're like in this this situation with hero packaging a staff member's obviously been heavily abused yeah and they have gone and told their manager and the manager and

the boss and the owner whoever it was of hero packaging has said cool we're not going to tolerate that i'm not going to let you speak to my staff like that like i have a duty of care to protect my staff we don't need your business enough to have to put up with your abuse all day so i funny story in this my wholesale manager is a woman named lauren she's amazing i love her she has run her own businesses for a really really long time and she used to run her own business with her husband and then she now works for us and her husband still runs that business right when she was younger and it was just her and her husband doing their their business they had a customer who was like super rude really abusive and Lauren was like she also has a mom and would

come to work with her kids like she's just fucking doing everything right like absolutely amazing woman and the customer was being a dick and she told her to fuck off right? She said, do you know what? You can fuck off. Anyway, the customer called back and was like, I want to speak to the owner. I want to speak to the manager. And so she put her husband on, even though she's also the owner and the manager. And she was like, your stuff just told me to fuck off. And he was like, that's actually my wife. She does it to me all the time. No, I would have said a support group. He was like, that was actually my wife. And look, to be fair, And he brought her back from the brink and the customer ended up apologizing for antagonizing

a situation to a point of being told to, you know, to go and get effed. But it's just, to me, it's really, it's quite funny. And I think that sometimes when you are a small business or it is your business, you can react in a way that doesn't go and follow the exact company policy, right? So for example, if you're Zara, you're definitely never going to be able to tell a customer to eff off. However, like as a business, there's definitely been times where customers have announced, I'm so unhappy and these are like the angry ones who are crazy I'm so unhappy I'm never shopping

with you again and I'm like good thank god thank god Fiona it's like away people on Instagram like you know when they're like hey I'm leaving I'm not gonna stay here anymore I'm like bye they're like I've unfollowed you yeah I'm like cool fuck off you don't have to announce it the only thing that's annoying and I think that this goes for any business the thing that's annoying is if you genuinely have bent over backwards to try and solve a problem if you have genuinely done everything think you can to make that experience as good as possible and that customer is still really angry people who take it upon themselves to like leave google reviews all over the place review anywhere that they can even when their problem has been resolved they've been refunded the items being

replaced whatever that looks like yeah is really cruel to do to a small business because it affects them so and i think that that's when people feel like they have power but your small inconvenience that you've experienced in your day really hurts a small business and so it's like just such an arsehole thing to do if you feel the need to do that maybe assess what else you got going on in your life we're talking to everyone that's ever left us a bad review hey guys if you're hearing this go on to fuck off go on to apple podcast right now and leave us no my life is not like a kookaburra and yes it is real and to the woman who said that she's sick of looking at my crotch I'm never going to sit any differently.

And to that woman, same. No people whinge about it. I do have one slightly controversial, probably kind of boomer opinion on this topic though, and I wonder if everyone else feels a little bit similar. Who did you leave a bad Google review to, Keisha? Keisha left one. She thought it was anonymous and it was under her name.

I'm trying to think if I've ever left a bad Google. Neither. I've got better shit to do. I'm not out there reviewing. Even businesses I'm mad at, I'm not reviewing them. I've got a life to live. I'm too worried it will get back. and they will know it's me and then I'll have to face the repercussions of it it's so detrimental

to that small business unless it was something so horrific for you or if you were just unhappy with a meal or whatever it is that's so damaging to that small business I just think like the people that go out of their way to leave horrible reviews on people for not a lot is pretty crazy what is a much better approach is just sending them an email like sending an honest email especially if you had a bad experience with a staff member sending an email saying hey I was in your store I was in this and this was my experience that I think allows people to like solve the problem rather than just like slamming the business did I ever speak on the podcast about how last year I really went on a big effort if I got really good customer service to contact the

business that's so nice well it was because I spent many years working in retail and I think you often hear the negatives far more than the positives and I actually think the positive experience is far outweigh but the kind of controversial thing I have been thinking about a lot lately and it's because of a couple of experiences back to back that I had is that remember in our day when we were in retail and we were told like you know you've always got to smile and you've got to be really happy and like particularly as young women when you're like fuck if I have to get told to smile one more time like it got really frustrating remember because they had secret shoppers yes and the tide I feel has turned and I feel as though retail workers

are not or even hospitality as well I think this falls into anything that's customer facing they're not told as much to like put on that fake persona of like hi and welcome and you know this is where you'll be sitting and like don't be so over the top it was seen as quite insincere but I kind of feel like the tide has turned a little bit too much because a lot of the experiences I have had with young hospitality and retail workers in the past couple of months has been abysmal to the point where I've been like, are you aware that right now you're being paid to work? Like, this is a part of the job that you signed up to. And I've just had a few experiences. I'm not going to name where it was. No, please don't. There was one really recently that I honestly was like,

I am so tempted to actually leave feedback about this experience because of how ridiculous that customer service was. So in this instance, as a business owner, I would say email the business or send them a message on Instagram. Let them know where you were, who it was that served you and the experience that you had, because that speaks volumes. And like, there is nothing, I hate it as well. Like there is nothing worse than walking into a shop where a worker doesn't say hello, completely ignores you, is on their phone. Like it's like you're an inconvenience being in their space and that absolutely happens. But I think that it's warranted that the business knows that. You just don't have to like slam them unless they've had a chance to remedy the problem.

But am I alone in this or do you guys, have you experienced this more recently than what you used to? The hardest thing in the world is finding staff who actually care about the job that they're doing. Like it is so hard. It is so hard to find motivated people who are positive and interested and like want to actually be there rather than just like a body in the room. Like it's hard. Yeah. Staffing is the hardest thing. Before we leave, I do want to just walk you down memory lane for a second. I'm going to tell you a story about when the customer was definitely not right this is my sister's story she was the manager of a retail shop when we're at university and she was very young to be managing but she was in Newcastle Keisha your hometown which is

interesting for where this story goes also Brittany Saunders hometown Brittany Saunders hometown so she was a manager of a retail store and there'd been a customer that they were having issues with and the customer ended up trying a bunch of stuff on in the change room and then they hadn't seen them for a while right so they go into the change room and the customer's not there anymore they've done like a they've shimmied out they didn't steal anything but what they did do was pull their pants down and take a human shit on the middle of the change room floor i've had this happen in a store i was working in in newcastle no this is in the gold coast who is shitting in retail stores in the middle of the day my hourly wage didn't even come fucking close

to having to clean that up okay wait for it so sheridan she's like okay i hope she doesn't mind telling this story but so sherry's like oh my god but she's like okay i'm the boss i will deal with it so she went to the the shopping centers like cleaner you know how they have a and she's like look this is what's happened would you guys mind bringing your team and your staff and they came out and they said we only do communal areas handed sharon a pair of gloves and they're like that's on you your your store your shit your store your shit fair sheridan the poor thing had to put gloves on and pick up a human shit she's fucking paid like 12 an hour fuck you customer that's when it's okay to ban a customer i do want to end this

end this whole chat on don't shit in a change room don't shit in a change room i want to end this whole chat on one thing that i disagree with britney's video i don't think that these instances are common like i really don't brit said that like customers yelling at staff Like, you know, we own two shops and we do, I can't even, I don't even know, like thousands and thousands and thousands of online orders. I would say it's like the 0.5%. Like it's so minimal having outraged customers. And if you have a really high percentage of outraged customers, fix your business.

Like that's not normal. I think it's more than you think. I think it's more than you think. A hundred percent. I run a business. No, but it might be specific. I'm glad for all my Happy Tony May customers love you. It might be specific to industries as well.

but like there are a lot of people out there that treat people really poorly like in those industries and also two out of three people in this room have had someone shit in a change room that's pretty high stats a little bit of a gear shift with this one it's a new research study that has been trending this week and it is absolutely effing alarming even more alarming than people who would choose to shit in a change room genuinely hard to be which is really at this point it's hard to beat now this research study that's come out it was on gen z men and the results have shown that they are more likely than baby boomers to believe that wives should obey their husbands this is a global study by ipsos and king's college london now the study surveyed

23 000 people from 29 different countries wow i'm talking argentina australia belgium brazil Canada, Chile, Colombia, France, Germany, Hungary, India, Indonesia, Ireland, Italy. Yeah, because I think it's important because it shows that it's not countries that you would necessarily suspect these views to come from. That's the problem, right? And I'm talking in terms of stereotypes, but when we're talking about big statistic pools, everyone is in here, the United States, the UK, Poland, South Africa, South Korea, Spain, Sweden, Thailand, Turkey. There's more. Okay. Some of the big highlights from this study is that it found as many as 31% of men in their teens and twenties believed a wife should always obey her husband. And while

13% of older men aged 60 and over agreed with the same statement. I think the one thing though, that it's important to add is that the survey results do vary greatly from country to country, but overall this statistic of 31% of men in their teens and twenties believing that a wife should obey their husband is absolutely frightening. Well, I think also just to add to that, what is frightening is 18% of younger Gen Z women also agreed. So there's also a large, well, I mean, nearly 20%. I would say that's still a lot of women that are still saying that, yeah, we shouldn't just be obeying our husbands. The question is though, and you would think that Gen Z, you would think this new generation that's coming through who have had all the teachings,

the fact that they're the ones that have had this really high increase, even above their grandparents' generation, you've got to unpack like what has happened, what has created this increase. And the only thing that you can really kind of, I guess, extrapolate from this is the increase in use of social media. There's so much information that's out there now around trad wives. We see so much incel red pill content that's coming out. And I'm talking like your soft incel content as well, which kind of packages up in a way that's way more understandable and believable like your Stephen Bartlett interviews. There is so much of this information out there that is grooming young men to believe that this is actually the way it should be and off the back

of social media laura it's also like it's a fact that in multiple religions it's specified that a woman should obey the man yeah i remember growing up like i grew up in the um pentecostal christian faith and i remember there even being controversy about this at the time and you know we talk about more modern interpretations of like religious script you know like the bible i i just googled a couple of passages that specifically mention obey. So there's Ephesians 5.22. It says, Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands as unto the Lord.

For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church. Therefore, as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything. There is another one in Colossians 3.18. Wives, submit yourselves unto your husbands as is fitting in the Lord. husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them. So I don't think it's important to outline like those teachings have been there since the beginning of time. That's what I mean. I don't think this idea of obeying to your husband is new at all. It's been there for over 2000 years in

one particular script. I'm not sure about the other religions, but I think it's really interesting that statistically in westernized countries, we are seeing a decrease in religious beliefs. And And yet, even while people are not saying that, you know, they're not saying that they're a part of a religious faith, it's interesting that the values of which have been held by those places for so long seem to be becoming more popular. And things like obeying your husband now being more popular in a Gen Z generation than what they are in boomers. I mean, we just saw it platformed on Married at First Sight.

We just saw Tyson and the very traditional quote unquote, whatever you want to call it, misogynistic could be another very useful word for it but traditional views around having a woman who is submissive to a man and I think he's also very religious too that's the thing the thing that's fascinating about him is he didn't speak about his religious ties like it's more important for him to talk about and in this context the submissive nature rather than talking about his whatever faith he is I don't think anybody who's watched that show knew that he came of faith do you know I mean I understand he mentioned it once and they obviously didn't highlight it. Religion's a really touchy topic, but this is what, this is the thing, right? In

religion, we're not talking about religion as a whole. No, sorry, but that kind of point is what I think I was trying to get to. I didn't, I don't think I quite got there. I think it's interesting that we are not really having the religious conversation anymore, even though that's where people from the boomers generation would have learned about these types of things, but the values of submission and that kind of thing have come back into the beliefs of young men. It's because we see, and we see with everything, it's a, in a way, it's a trend, right? We see trends come swing on a pendulum every 10 or 20, 30 years. We see it.

Whether that's fashion, whether that's our beliefs, whether that's our thought processes, we've seen that happen. And I think that we have come back now with the rise of social media and the Andrew Taits. Andrew Tait has an alarming amount of influence, like alarming for somebody that has been banned, someone that's been under house arrest for somebody that has been convicted of horrific things the number of young men that are still touting his they're still buying his programs on how to treat women and and it's almost gotten to a point where it doesn't matter what somebody has done somebody's belief system that's ingrained from this vacuum that they're in this echo chamber

that they're in on social media if you're only surrounding yourself with those people it doesn't matter what the person's done outside of that you're so ingrained in that one thing that everybody else is telling you is the right way to believe it's almost like sheep right it's like when the herd goes one way that's where everyone goes we've been talking about clavicular recently like yeah I think it's all I mean like there's so many factors that point to why this is happening and we are in such a pressure cooker at the moment of I guess like the values being really under a microscope we are constantly talking about this across social media as well this idea of a trad wife this idea of romanticizing an old-fashioned way of living which really wasn't

that romantic at the time hence why we had a movement of feminists who tried to get equal rights to vote and everything else like this movement of the 70s that transformed our ability to have choice there's been almost a push back towards traditional views but there has been a romanticizing of that happening online we can't deny that the one thing that i think is quite interesting about this is that it's very easy to package up statistics in a way that prove one point. Do you know what I mean? Without us knowing, and even said in this, every country is skewed. All countries have a very different, I guess, perspective on this of those 29 countries that have been profiled. It would be good, I guess, to get a little bit more accurate data

around, well, which countries had the highest rates of this and how much did the outliers in terms of the highest rates influence the rest of us? Because I would be shocked if Australia, for example, sat at 31% of young Gen Z men thinking this way. There was a little bit of data that came out. So Sweden only had 4% across their respondents of age groups that said that the wife should obey their husband, whereas 60% for Malaysia and 66% in Indonesia. And that, see, like when you look at statistics in a whole, like that is, that skew is going to have a massive impact right like that's going to massively impact the rest of the data across the rest of the countries that was across all age groups though i think what and i think the most important and i

think the most alarming thing that came out of this is that there is a discrepancy and it's more than double in young men to what it is in boomer men yeah and i think that you know all of us are just left kind of baffled and confused going like how is this happening you know is there is their understanding of what the word obey means inaccurate? Do they think? No, absolutely not. Or is this actually a really, really huge misogynistic shift that is coming back into culture? And I think we all know that, yes, it is. But I think that every single person is looking at this data going like, okay, well, how do we stop the train?

I think it's also one of those situations where it's very easy to live in your own bubble of your own belief system and the way in which we receive news especially from in a western culture the way that we've received news now is via algorithms we are being fed what feeds into our echo chamber so this comes as an alarming shock but I would say for a lot of people this is not a surprise it just depends on what your algorithm is feeding you as to whether your beliefs align with this or not whereas if you're buying into this type of information if you're a man and you're viewing this you would only be receiving information that validates your belief system that validates your views there's also a lot of really like weird dialogue at the moment around

this concept of submitting and I've seen it I've seen it come out of this like the trad wife movement and it's like submitting doesn't mean that you don't have agency in your relationship submitting doesn't mean but it means that you're stepping into your feminine and you're allowing a masculine, to take ownership of the household so that you can be within your divine feminine. I know it comes from these religious constructs, but we have almost recreated it and repackaged it in a really dangerous way. And so on one hand, there's tradition. And on one hand, there's this new romanticized packaged up version of what that tradition looks like. And it's disregarding the misogyny and it's disregarding like all of the things that women

have experienced for so long when they haven't had agency or choice. And I think that that's where it's actually really quite scary. I think that this Laura, I just looked up because when you said you'd be shocked about the young boys attitudes, if it was like in Australia, if it was as high as in the 30%, it didn't shock me. I thought, I absolutely think that is the trend that's coming. I just quickly looked it up and the Guardian amongst some other people, ABC have reported on a key findings from a study from 2024 to 2026. They got so much data from school-aged children what they found in this 2026 study that more than one third which is 36 percent of australian boys aged 13 to 17 hold misogynistic attitudes with 40 percent believing that women lie

about domestic and sexual violence that's fucking crazy it's crazy it goes on to say that in 2025 when they surveyed young men one in three male students said that they might retaliate if rejected and a high percentage of boys admitted to viewing violent pornography one in three students are saying men young boys are saying that they might retaliate if they are rejected like it's alarming because this is the next generation of men and 36 is a huge statistic let's get back to talking about pebbles yeah can we go back to talking about the penguins and the pebbles that would be a better way to finish this i know we're about to end this episode we're like sorry to leave you worse than what we found you everyone's like fucked so grim it's grim but that's it for

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