Life Uncut - Raygun's Redemption, Alix v Alex & WTF is Musk?

Episode Date: September 8, 2026

Hey Lifers! Happy Wednesday! We’re fresh back from New Zealand (Queenstown luge races, ice-cold lake plunges and all) while Britt’s got her own laundry-based betrayal to deal with courtesy of Ben. We take a quick pause to give a shoutout to a very special dad in the Lifer family (Matt we’re looking at you), before answering Soph’s very real dilemma: How do you greet your friend’s partner for the first time without it turning into an awkward fist bump? Laura’s going rouge and talking Musk Sticks…Yep… Who actually knows what the flavour of Musk? This one will have you both concerned and intrigued. Then we get into it. First up, the Alex Cooper vs Alex Earle drama that's been simmering since 2022 finally got its reveal, and we unpack the uncomfortable footage, the question of who really owns your story once you've sat down for an interview, and why we'll never ask a guest to keep something in if they've asked for it to be cut. Then, the big one: Raygun. Her new Netflix documentary has reopened the conversation a year on, and we've got a lot of feelings. We get into vicarious embarrassment (yes, it's a real psychological phenomenon), the line between self-belief and delusion, the role her husband/coach played in it all, and whether the backlash really was about gender or something else entirely. Timestamps: 0:00 - Intro: Britt's New Zealand trip, the Queenstown luge race & an icy lake plunge 8:41 - Life updates of a laundry disaster and a special award in Laura’s fam 13:42 - SOS: hug, handshake or kiss? How do I greet people?  16:58 - WTF is Musk… Laura wants a deep dive 20:24 - Alex Cooper vs Alex Earle: Who owns your story? 30:58 - Raygun's Netflix doco: Redemption arc, delusion, or was it not her fault? 47:45 - Suck and Sweet of the Week   Keep your questions coming! Slide into the Life Uncut DMs at @lifeuncutpodcast on Instagram You can watch us on Youtube Join us on tiktok Or join the Facebook Discussion Group Hosted by Britt Hockley & Laura Byrne Produced by Sophie Nathan Video Produced by Vanessa Beckford & Lachy Pugsley Tell your mum, tell your dad, tell your dog, tell your friend and share the love because WE LOVE LOVE! XxSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hi guys and welcome back to another episode of Life Uncutt. I'm Brittany. I'm Laura. I'm in a great mood, everyone. I am. Thrilled. Like, never been happier. I'm glad you are because I'm sick as a dog. I don't want to start like that. But oh my God. I know. Sorry, I just wanted to rub it in. To be fair, though, we've all been battling the sickness this weekend. You know what? Laura and I went to New Zealand last week. Poo, poup, it was very fun. And I came back from that. Everyone over there was saying that there was like a New Zealand bug. I never get bugs. Anyway, I got the New Zealand I also got the New Zealand bug. I fucking loved it.

I want to go back. Oh, Queenstown. I had the time of my life. Queenstown's amazing. We went for work, but like we only had to work little bits of the day and then we got to just be free range. Do you think you got sick from going on the luge? Probably because I was going so fast, like so much faster than you, that I probably got sick. Wait, we really need to know this because we've been watching on socials.

The luge race. Who actually won? Who do you think? Who do you think? But you also got to remember, Brit's done this like 400 times. She's like, we're going to lose. Are we going to go up? Jealousy doesn't look good on you, Laura.

It doesn't. Some of us put more effort into training for the lose race. That's true. That's true. I've been to Queensland a few times, not for seven years. I went, no one cares, but I went seven years ago. And then, please talk is through that. I want each year recap.

Why don't I recap on like what happened in the seven years that's prevented me from going? No, it's the first time I've been in so long and we arrived in seven years. The plane landed and I looked out the one. window and I was like, fuck, this is the most beautiful place. It's like you're on a movie, everywhere you go. It feels a little bit Truman Showy because everything feels like it's being created for a movie set. You look and there's this beautiful boat. You're like, oh, that's the Titanic set. It's so pretty. It feels fake. Let me tell you my own story. Maybe 10 years ago. I went to New Zealand and I had the same overwhelming, otherworldly feeling of beauty.

And I said, I'm going to move here. Like, I have to live here. And so I tried to. And I didn't. I, I applied for a job. Now, do with this what you will. I applied for a job as the rapid bodyboarding instructor where I had to have a, like a bodyboard, like a boogie board. And I would be the instructor that takes tourists down the rapids. Now, you're laughing. It's going to get funnier. I was the Australian champion bodyboarder out of all of Australia. Okay, it'll never not be funny. So I knew Brit for She knew me when I was a champion. It's been downhill from there. I knew Britt for four years.

We'd been friends for four years. And then one day, out of nowhere, she was like, I was the Australian bodyboarding champion. And both Mitch Tury and I, Mitch, who we used to do radio with you if you knew to the pod, we both just burst out laughing because we were like, shut up, you liar. And then she also said she was a vegetarian.

We were like, sorry. I was like 20th in the world. Why are you making up the stories? Anyway, it turns out she was actually a bodybuilder. I mean, so that's the other thing. Body border. Like surfing but laying down.

I feel like we need a bit of backstory there. How do you become Australia's best body border? Because there weren't many women doing it at the time. Lots of dedication, Sophie, long hours in the ocean. Are you the ray gun of bodyboard? I'm the ray gun of bodyboarding. Hear me out. In Port Macquarie where I grew up, it was like the bodyboarding capital of the world.

It's just what everyone did. And we've spoken about it before, Laura. You know how we said we mould into our boyfriends? Like I was dating this older guy. He was six years older than me and he was a bodyboarder. And so I wanted to do what he was. He didn't hang out with him, so I started surfing. And then I just got really good at it.

I'm still fixed on the bodyboarding thing. Do you go on a board or you just like face down plank in the water? No, his bodyboarding's on a board, so. No, I see it from New Zealand. No one bodyboards there. In New Zealand, if you say you're, oh, I'm thinking body surfing. I can tell. No.

Okay, look, let me show you. I'll show you an image. I thought for it. Just planking on the ocean. That's how you go down the rapid. It's in New Zealand. Look at this stuff. It's like, oh, okay.

Yeah, we'll pop that photo up. Yeah, it's like big flips and stuff in the water. Anyway, so I applied for this rapid instructor, New Zealand job, and I was like, I am a shoe in. Australian champion. Did I get the job? No. I didn't.

And so then I couldn't move to New Zealand. It was the only one job on offer. Wow. That was a journey. I enjoyed that story the first time that you told it to me when I was on the plane. And I really do enjoy your walk-dine memory lanes that have been happening. If you listened to Last Ask Uncut, everyone, that was probably the most deranged and unhinged intro to an episode that we've ever done.

And it was just a sequence of revisiting Brits past. The pigeons. It was great. Oh, yeah, Grandma's homing pigeons. That was a real time. Can we just backtrack to New Zealand for one second? It is the most beautiful place I've ever been to. And Brit was like, have you ever been Luzing?

Luzing is, I thought it was tobogging. I didn't know that there was a difference. I thought that tobogging interchangeable. Turns out they're not. You offended a whole community of Luges. So Brut's the Luge is out there. It really against me. No, Brit was like, we're not coming to New Zealand and not going on the Luge.

So we got the little skyline up. We had to buy six rounds. Six tickets. You can't just buy one go. And fuck, I love the Luge. God, I had a great time. It is the most childlike thing. For anyone who doesn't know, it's basically like you get a little go-cart and you drive down the hill.

Around little jumps and tunnels. I don't know if we'd describe as jumps. There's one jumps. I got like three feet of air that time. I got the Fanny flutters. You know, when you get air. and you're like, Fanny Flutter. Everyone that illusion goes over a jump knows the flutter I'm talking about.

Sorry, I think it's called butterflies in your stomach. Fanny Flutters. I think of Fanny Flutters. When you're turned on, babe. I think a Fanny Flutter is when you call it the Willys? When you go down a hill and then you go all over that thing and your stomach goes as the Willies. I thought you got the Willies when you had like ghosty experience. Ghosty experience and you're like, ooh, spooky, like the willie.

Okay, Fanny Flutters is when you're making out with someone and you're, vagina's pulsating. That's the dip. That's a fanny flutter bay. But if you got that in the luge, good for you. That's an orgasm. No, it's not. It's not a full-blown one. Just a bit of like, ooh, tinkles. Okay, look, we looged. We went. We luged. We had a great time. I did do something that made me feel like a superior human as well. I have told everyone that I've come in contact with in the last couple of days. She's been waiting for this episode to drop it on the, I really need everyone in Australia to know. So there's this place where we were staying in the hotel. Beautiful. Like overlooked the whole lake. It's so pretty. You can see like the

ice cap mountains in the background and we had the morning off the morning that we were flying out. And I was like, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to book in for a little sauna. And I booked in and I like, no kids, woke up early, had the whole bed to myself, went down and I did the sauna, then jumped in the lake. And it is so cold, but every time I jumped in the lake, I was like, I am a better human than everyone who is still in bed. And I still feel powerful from that. And now I finally understand the sauna ice bath craze. I would have loved to have done it, but I was lushing. I could.

I had to go loo again. I went for one more luge. I was so committed. Wow, you guys really tackled on a lot. Can I stand? Can I say, though, that trip really made me realize that we have well and truly tipped into like the other side of life. Some of the people going out, they were at the casino until 7 a.m.

Some of our other friends, like they literally got in at 7 a.m. From a night out. When we were getting out. I was already in the lake swimming at that time, you know? So like we were living very alternate lives. And I thought like me 10 years ago, I would have been the casino girl. And now I'm an ice bath girly. And then we just, I don't know how I arrived at this destination, but I came back refreshed.

I feel great. And I have been telling everyone. I'm embarrassed to admit that I was never the casino girly. I have, that's fine. I just always been in bed early and up early girl. I was, I was desperate for validation. So I was out looking for it in nightclubs at all hours in the night. You're desperate for the fanny flotters.

You're like, I know they're out here somewhere. I really was. I really was. Anyway, look, it's been a big weekend. Also on top of that, the sick nurse. Are you, how are you doing now? I actually am really sick. I just went down to also make myself feel like a superior human.

I got, it's lemon and ginger and apple juice. You know, when you have a drink and it gets you quenched up in your jaw when you have something sour? Mouth flutters? What's a, mouth flutters? I got the mouth. No, I was very boring. I actually got very, very sick. And I got home.

Ben's great. Ben's still here. He looks after me. But I took everything in my bones, not to get so mad. So because I was sick, he's like, you said, down, I'll cook, I'll do whatever. And bless him. He put the washing on, did everything. And I go to get the washing now and it was a load of whites. And I start pulling them out and I'm like, why is every, like everything had these big splotches of pink and purple on them? Every single white

thing I own. I started pulling it out, ruin. I get to the bottom and there's like three pairs of undies that are bright colored. No, not, not. I said, Ben, babe, come here. Talk me through the washing. He's like, what do you mean? I said, talk me through why these colored undies in the white. he's like, oh, just to save space. Sorry. Oh! I was like, how are you 34 years old? I was like, you never put colors in with white.

That makes me irrationally angry. Yes. And the reason for that is, and I don't want to be like, weaponized incompetence, but I really am going to go down that path. Because usually the reaction, I'm not going to say that this is Ben. In my experience, the reaction is always, well, fine, I won't do it then. Do your own washing then. And it's like, no, the punishment, because you did a shit job.

and ruined stuff that I actually liked. Shouldn't be you yelling at me telling me that I'll just do my own washing because I managed to do your fucking washing and I don't fuck up your stuff. This feels very personal. No, actually, it's not Matt. This is just so everyone knows. This is, I'm pulling memories from a past traumatic relationship. Like, I feel as though that this is a common thing that people experience where

where one person's like, well, I just did it. But because they've chosen to do a below par job of it, they've offered to be helpful and it's been deeply unhelpful in them trying. Ben just goes very, he's actually very good with that stuff. He goes very sheepish and he just goes, yes, boss, sorry boss. Like, I'll be better boss. And he will. Okay, well, while you're trashing Ben for being.

I am not trashing him. I'm highlighting it and it's public humiliation so that he will be better. Okay, well, while you're humiliating your husband, I wanted to take a very quick hot second because it was Father's Day, which so, you know, shout out to all the dads out there who are doing good parenting, not the shit ones. How's that for a Father's Day message? You know why? You're not you, you motherfuckered shit fathers.

Because there's going to be so many people who listen to this episode who are like, my dad wasn't around. My dad did a subpar job. That's okay. I know. But like not how, sorry, it's not okay for them. I'm sorry that your dad wasn't there. But it's, we don't have to specify the message. Well, what I'm saying is, is I'm not wishing them Happy Father's Day.

But I am wishing Happy Father's Day to all the dads. The good ones. Yeah, and the ones who step up to the plate and just show that like parenting can have equity. You can be a great dad and like changing the conversation around it. And I say this because as much as I give my husband's shtick, he's a fucking exceptional dad. And I'm really, like, I feel so grateful that even though he did not have, so Matt didn't really have a great father figure growing up, he's talked about it a little bit, but he's not particularly open about it.

But he hasn't spoken to his dad in. I've never met him. So I don't even know, maybe 17 years he hasn't spoken to his dad. But, you know, he got raised by a single mom, his mom. And he has turned out to be the most incredible dad. Because for him, he's always said that he wants to be the version of a dad that he never had growing up. And I feel so grateful that our girls get to grow up with that example of what a dad is. And that's their only understanding of like a dad being like so plugged into family and caring so much.

This was a really special year for him. So a couple of months ago, Matt got this phone call and we were in the kitchen at the time. He answered it and he was like, what? And I could tell he was really confused by whoever was on the other end of it. He's like, are you sure that you've got the, Matt, as in like, But what's it for? And so he received a phone call, which was from the administration for the Governor General. We call her, Your Excellency. And they wanted to set up a meeting with him because he had one father of the year, which is like a not-for-profit thing that happens every year.

One year, Hamish, Blake, won it. I don't know who won it last year. And now Matt's won it. It's all around like changing the conversation of fatherhood and your contributions to opening up and creating networks for other dads to like, you know, be better parents. And it just was a really beautiful, it was a really beautiful Friday, which was the ceremony for that. So is that off the back of two don't dads, the podcast? Yeah, well, I mean. Poor, Ash. There's two dads on that podcast. I know, but you know what? I feel so proud of him. And I know I take the piss out of him a lot, but really, being a parent is a thankless job, unless you're Matt, who's now being thanked by all of Australia. So I'm like, and their

excellency. And your excellency, the governor general. But it was very sweet. Do you win some money or something? No, you get a trophy. And then you get a voucher? I'm a voucher. But bunnies or something? No, you don't. You don't. But anyway, it was a really sweet thing that happened on Friday.

So. It doesn't get better than that. It doesn't. Except if there was a bunnies voucher. Congratulations, Matt. And Ash, maybe next to you. And Ash, yeah, there's always, yeah, absolutely. There's always next year.

We love you, Ash. This actually, I have something I've been wanting to ask you guys. And this is kind of on the back of if I even, because I don't think I've ever met, met your partner. I met Ben recently. Which is funny. You've never met him. I keep him in the cupboard. I don't let him out much.

I realized over the weekend there's something I'm really, really bad at, and I think I need your advice and help. I don't know how to greet people. In what way? You say hi. I'm Sophie. I realized this. I was at a friend that they were having their first baby's first birthday party,

and girls, I get, I know how to greet you go. We have a hug. I love the girls, love, love, love. When I meet girls' partners, boyfriends, husbands, whatever, and they go in for the side hug and the cheek kiss, I do not know what to do. They put their cheek out. Am I supposed to kiss their cheek? Or do I put, no, this is a serious thing because I put my cheek to them and then we just

touch cheeks. Like, I leant against this guy's cheek. And then I pulled away and I was like, was that what I was supposed to do. And I don't know what to do. Yeah, that's what you do. You don't actually kiss their cheek. You make out. Or you lean in.

If you do kiss, you just make the noise. You don't actually kiss. kiss them on the cheek. That's fucking weird. Do you know what? No one teaches the stuff. It's actually better if they make a really strong structured gesture that you can copy. Because the worst thing is when you're not sure and you go to like shake their hand but they've lent half in so you do that awkward hug and then they put the cheek down and then the cheek goes in and then you end up fist pumping them, that's worse. But if they can make a clear cut. But I just think if you don't know them, I think a handshake is fine.

But a handshake, you're at a birthday party. with friends like I've gone and hugged you right say we're at we're at dinner I'm like Brett oh my god it's so good to see I then just chuck my hand out to bin is that what you did with Ben no again I didn't know I think I put one arm out and like just gave him a limp arm I just really need some education and I don't know if anyone else out there is feeling this but can we just figure out what we do I am I really cocked this up with Alex Warren the other week I didn't mention it but I should have he I saw he um he did that and he and he did the lean in but I went to just do like an air kiss and I kissed him on the gym.

And the guy had been so sick. And you could tell he was a bit like, what? Like it was just, we had a moment where anyway, it shouldn't have a moment. I can confirm that didn't happen. I did. I did kiss his cheek. And then I realized actually the kissing noise was irrelevant. I didn't need to do that at that point.

Oh, you actually doubled down with the noise. Well, I did. Like Alex. I thought I was kissing the air, but he gave me too much cheek. and so I kissed him on the physical cheek. So you kiss the air. You air kiss and go, yeah, nice to see you.

So you ear kiss? Britt, what do you do? I don't know. I don't want to have this conversation anymore. I need to know. Do you know what? I'm so glad that you brought up feeling uncomfortable

because we are going to get into the whole Raygun documentary very soon. And physical discomfort around someone else's embarrassing moments is truly, it needs to be unpacked because it's a real phenomena. I think you read the room. Sometimes I'm a handshaker and sometimes I'm a hugger, but I don't think the hug with a friend's partner needs to come with a kiss. Okay. Like you can just like have a little hug.

Hey, nice to meet you. And if they put your cheek out, I just don't lean against it with my cheek. Just to clarify. All right. Well, look, we're always here to help and to answer your questions. I want to share something with you guys that I came across this week. I could say this for later on. This is probably something that would fit way better into an office.

cuts episode, but I haven't stopped thinking about it since I read it. Do you guys remember? I mean, I haven't had one since I was like, a kid, a musk stick. Remember pink musk sticks that we used eat? But I have always detested them. I've never eaten them. I hate them. Do you remember the musk stick flavoured siggies? They were called fags back in the day and they were... I never had a cigarette either. No, they weren't real siggies. They were lollies and they were like thin, I'm sure they were called... It's different down in the gong, isn't it? And they were mus flavored and you'd pretend like you're having a dari with them when you were about 10. I know the ones, but they weren't cigarette lollies. They were just lollies that you used to pretend was smoked. No, they looked like sickies and they

were called fags. Hold on. Let me find, let me pull it up properly where. Fads. Oh my God, they were called fads, not fags. I'm going to take that out. Oh, my God. No, they were though. Back to the must. Do you know what the flavor musk is? The flavor of musk. It's kind of like a bit floral, a bit like perfumy. I hate it so much that I can't even recall the flavor in my head. I don't think. I don't I think I've ever put musk in my mouth. Like, it's only something I've sniff. Pink must sticks, you've never eaten one. I didn't know.

I didn't know it was a taste. I thought it was a smell. No, musk is also a smell and it's also a taste. I couldn't even guess what it is. Musk, okay, hold on to your panties. The original must stick and the smell of a must stick comes from the gland found in a male musk deer. When it is dried and diluted, it turns into a sweet, warm, earthy and floral smell that is long-lasting and potent. So you're saying as lollies.

Are a deer male gland excretion. No, I don't believe that. Taste.com would not lie to us. You're saying that's what goes into the edible food. We're eating a gland of a deer. I don't know the actual gland goes in, but it's the smell that it gives off. That's where it comes from. So it is.

What is your algorithm? But does someone smell what that is, the glandy deer thing? Imagine if they put it and recreate it. All I'm thinking is Buster and his anal glands? No one. That smells like fish. Oh my God. Let me read this to you.

This is from the taste.com article. It might sound off pudding, but musk was once a very highly prized, particularly for its strong fragrance. For centuries, it was traded as a luxury ingredient and used in perfumes, incense and traditional medicines across Asia and the Middle East before it made its way to Europe. In Britain, Must found its way into modern medicine and food and lollies. So yes, the original ones used to have deer gland in them.

But now we've made a substitute for the flavour, but that's where it comes from, everyone. And the next time you're eating a nice 90s must stick, I hope you're thinking of the male deer that has been milked for that essence. I can see why you weren't sure with the segment fit. Well, there are two cultural moments that we wanted to touch on this week. Two, there were uncontrollably overwhelming and took up our whole weekends. One, Raygun, we will be talking.

I have to. I have so many thoughts and feelings. None of them are solidified. I don't know how I think or feel about it. If you haven't watched it, go watch it. We are going to talk about it. It's on Netflix and it's called Breaking Badly, which it really does summarize it in the name. That is very puny though.

Did you watch Breaking Bad? Do you get that pun? Yeah, I get the pun. You sometimes miss the puns. I didn't know if I didn't. Spell it out. Before we get into Raygun, though, we want to talk about Alex Earl. Oh, we don't.

I don't. You do. I think we have to as podcast this is our duty because it's between podcasters and podcasters and we are podcasters. Thank you. Thank you. And it's Girl on Girl Beef, which we love. We love adding to Girl on Girl Beef.

We hate Girl on Girl Beep. Alex Earl versus Alex Cooper. That's the chat. Alex Earle, if you don't know who she is, she's a massive, massive TikToker. She's got 9 million followers. She's like the OG Get Ready With Me, Beauty Influencer. She has a massive, massive skincare brand now that I think had a million dollar opening launch on the first day. So she has released Earl Meets World, which is a reality TV series, very Kardashian.

where it's her whole entire family. It's like a, I don't want to say a T-Mu Kardashian, but it's sort of what it feels like. You're following their world and their drama and their family life, but it didn't quite have the same hook as the Kardashians have. This is also on Netflix. It's a nine-part series. It is the fucking most boring thing I've ever watched in my entire life.

Britt was like, we must watch this to talk about it. The first episode, I thought I was about to scoop my own eyeballs out with a spoon. It was so fucking boring. So I watched the whole thing. It was horrible. I think if you were a fan of Alex Earl, you would probably enjoy it because it's just another peek behind the curtain and an insight into the life. If you're not actually a fan and you don't know that much about them, like I know who she is,

I was still interested. Like, I hated every second. It's not for me. You've watched all of it. But Ben and I watched it together. Yeah, because, so the reason we watched it, the reason we're talking about it is there's this really ongoing drama between Alex Earle and Alex Kuhl. Cooper. Alex Cooper is the very successful podcast host behind Call Her Daddy. It's the number one

female podcast in the United States. They have everyone on. They have Michelle Obama on. Anyone who is anyone goes on Call Her Daddy. Yes, that is why people wanted to watch this series. That's what people are waiting for. Yeah. It's nine episodes and there is a tiny mention of it at the start and then they finally get to the beef in the last episode. Just to set it up, the drama has been going on back since like 2022, 2020, 23 when Alex Cooper has positioned herself as one of the most successful podcasters. Alex Earl was coming out of college at 22 years old. She was very successful on TikTok. A lot of people loved her. And then Alex Cooper brought her in to start her own podcast. It lasted about two years and it had a few little problems and all of a sudden, Alex Earl disappeared from

the Call Her Daddy Network. No explanation, nothing. Then there's this ongoing back and forward beef and it's all very passive aggressive. So the last thing that happened about, I don't know, maybe a year ago, Alex Cooper on her socials saying, there is no end. say what you want to say. Alex Earle said on it and then silence until now. Now is the T quote unquote. The audience has waited, I don't know, somewhat of a year to get this rebuttal. One thing that I think we can relate to as female podcasters and one particular part

of the whole series that stuck out for me that I didn't like is this next grab I'm going to play you. So Alex Cooper asked Alex a young, impressionable Alex Earl to come onto her podcast at only 22 years old, she said that she got her drunk and then asked some very sexual questions. You can see from the footage, she's uncomfortable. It's written all over her face. And then afterwards, Alex Earl says she goes to Alex Cooper and says, like, I'm not comfortable with some of those conversations and I don't want that to live on the internet. And it appears that Alex Cooper didn't want to take them out and left that information in, even though the guests requested it to be removed. Have a listen to this.

Like, take someone in college who's young, impressionable, you know, looks up to you. and then ask them these like granchy questions, which I was like definitely a little uncomfortable with. We are going to play truth or drink. Okay. Get ready to get fucked up, bitch. Okay. Here we go.

How many guys did you fuck your freshman year of college? Okay. Are you an anal virgin? Part of that was stuff I had asked to be taken out after the interview. And she was like, oh, like, I think it's so funny. And it's stuff that like I didn't necessarily want to live on the internet forever. I think this specific example is definitely something, especially in the world of podcasting, there has never been a time where Britt and I, where we have interviewed someone and we have not taken

out what they've requested for us to take out. Like I think even though you sit down and you do an interview, sometimes in the moment when you're sharing something, you have like a vulnerability hangover and you realize actually I wish I hadn't said the things that I said or, you know, there's parts of that context where I felt really comfortable in the room, but when I actually think about that going out to a wider audience, I don't feel comfortable about it. I would not, I mean, I don't know how other people run their podcast, but when it comes to us, there has never been a time where we have not removed something that's been asked of us. And I think you have a responsibility to do so when you have guests and you are sharing their story. We were probably six years into

this podcast when I went on another Australian podcast, an interview podcast that asked me to go and do it. And it was probably one of the first podcasts I had been on outside of my own. Once I finished, there were things that I didn't like or on second thought, I thought, oh, I'd like that edited or taken out. And I wrote to them and asked for some edits. And they basically said no. They were like, once you record with us, like, that's ours. And I had a pretty strong back and forth with them and I eventually got my way, maybe because I also have such a big platform here. But I was shocked that they would not make edits. We have never and would never, ever, every guess that comes on, we offer it to them. I mean, the fact that you experienced it yourself, Britt, where you wanted

something to be edited out and you were told no, it makes you question who owns the content. Like, if you sit down to do a podcast interview or any interview, whether it's on a, I'm thinking like a 60 minutes or a current affair, once you've sat down and you've given your version of a story, who owns that story. And when you're someone like Alex Cooper or Alex Earl who use everything about their lives for content and for engagement. Firstly, I think it's really wrong. I think everyone should be allowed to edit or change their mind on something, especially when it's not live on air.

But the fact that Alex Cooper knows that someone like Alex Earle who has 9 million TikTok followers, that the second she says something that's controversial, it's every single part of that game was cut for socials. So when Alex Earl turns around and says, hey, I actually don't feel comfortable by that segment, can you take it out? I understand why Alex Cooper has turned around and said, no, because it was for them the most viral part of what that episode was going to be. I don't. I do not get it. I don't agree. I think it's disgusting. But I know why she fought her on it and tried to make her

think it was a good idea. Yeah. Hey, have some morals and some respect. That's what I would say to well. Not that long ago. We had a superstar come on. And there was a part of their interview that they wanted to be taken out. As a team, we were like, oh my God, that was going to be so good online. Like, how can we keep this? And we ask them, is there any way to keep any of it? They said, absolutely not. We said, gotcha. We'll take it out. Because we respect. the people we work with and we respect our guests on the podcast. But you've got to remember in this instance, Alex Cooper being Alex Earle's boss, there's a totally different power dynamic there, right? If you go to your boss and you say, hey, I've shared something that I'm embarrassed by and your boss

says, don't be ridiculous. It's so funny. We're going to put it online. There is this crossover where it's like not only your boss, but it's someone who it's difficult to say no to because it's your idol. Alex Cooper knows that Alex Earl was a huge fan that looked up to her that she was her. inspiration. Alex Cooper also said, I'm going to guide you in the podcasting world. When Alex Earl comes to her and says, I don't want this online, I don't think it's going to be good. And her inspiration and her boss and someone that's so successful in an industry that she wants to be in says, no, that content's going to be really good. Knowing that that person said they're going to guide you and to trust them, there's a part of you then as a 22 year old that's going to say, well, I guess she knows

what she's doing. Like, I've floated my reservations and she's still shutting them down saying, this is going to be great. Do you know what I think is probably quite an interesting question is when your idol becomes your boss, are you ever able to actually say no? And this is by all accounts what Alex Earle has described. She was in such admiration of Alex Cooper. She wanted to be friends with her. She wanted her to like her, but also she was her boss. And so when your boss asks something of you and you have such admiration from them because they're famous and you just want to be in the orbit of the sunshine that they fucking expel, it's so hard to have boundaries and to have agency and to say no. So I'm sure that there were instances where Alex Earl wishes she pushed back more firmly,

but felt as though she couldn't because she didn't want to disappoint them. It's such a blurred line. I actually think it's really dangerous. I know, so if we're such idols to you. I was about to say, we're about to see in real time if I can say no to my idols. But it's, oh my God. No, but I mean this. I mean, I think it would be incredibly hard. Think about the power that like actors and celebrities have over the people that work. for them. This goes back to even what you guys were talking about a couple of weeks ago with Ariana Grande and you think how many people in her team maybe wanted to say something about like, hey, let's step away from tour for a bit or all of the crap posts you see from celebrities.

There are people in their team who are far too scared to say anything or to say no because you're right, it's a power imbalance. And I think that's the brunt of this is that there is such a power difference from her celebrity that it makes it scary anything you're doing in that world for her. I totally agree. Look, I hate that there's women on fighting women. Like, I hate that that is the trope because it's such, it's been like slumped on us for years, right? That two women can't work together and they can't be both these hot blondes because they're going to end up in a bitch fight. And that's exactly what has happened.

We have absolutely fit the mold in this situation. And I hate it, but it has been fascinating to watch from the sidelines. While Britt was powering through every episode of Earl Meets World and I was not in protest, I did watch the new Raygan docchio, dockio. Dockyo. It's a docketo. Let me tell you. That's what a be-girl would call it.

It did feel like a dockyo. Raygun. The untold story, Raygun, breaking badly. I did also get the pun, so thanks for that. I, and I mean this, I fucking don't know how I feel about it, guys. Reagan, obviously, she's the breakdancer, Australian break dancer, went to the Olympics. Olympian. We're going to use that term loosely.

She turned into... No, you can't use it loosely. She went to the Olympics. Whatever way you want to look at, the woman is an Olympian and you're not going to take that from her. She is an Olympian. Oh, God. She is an Olympian. She didn't score a point, but she went there. Anyway, she's also a meme. She turned into the world's biggest meme. You guys know, it was the kangaroo dance. It was the sprinkler on the world stage. This doco was fascinating to me. There was so many things about it. Like, firstly, it felt like a comedy. And I don't think it was meant to

be, but I found myself pissing myself laughing through the whole thing. It felt as though I was watching, what's his name? We were talking about it earlier. Chris Lilly? Yeah, it felt like I was watching Chris Lilly and Chris Lilly doing like a parody being like, I'm a great dancer, but it was meant to be a joke, but it wasn't a joke. And I kept waiting for the satire to stop. And I was like, oh, this is not. None of this is meant to be a joke.

This is all legitimate. I had a bit of whiplash with my feelings. So as much as you thought the whole thing was hysterical, I probably had two or three moments where I laughed and the rest of the time I felt so deeply, viscerally uncomfortable. I had goosebumps. I was cringing. I couldn't watch. I wanted it to end for her and for myself.

I found it anxiety-inducing almost. I think your reaction to this is the reaction that most people had. Like this visceral feeling of discomfort at somebody else's experience. There were moments I had to look away. Do you know this is a real psychological phenomenon? And they call it vicarious embarrassment. What do you think is the protection mechanism of this? Like the fact that someone else is embarrassing themselves

and you feel physically internally sick for them? I don't know. it is, but your brain fires the same neurons as if when you see someone embarrassing themselves, it's the same neurons as if you see someone hurting themselves, and it reflects in what you would experience if you were in that situation. So they did this whole test in the study, and it showed people's physiological responses such as heart rate spikes, skin conductants, blood flow patterns, all of them shifted as if they were the person experiencing the embarrassment. It has to be a self-preservation, biological caveman times. It's like,

Oh God, I've witnessed what that person did. I am never going to do that for dear God that I die of shame. When we were watching it, Ben is like, look at my full body. He had goosebumps on his whole body. He said, I'm actually reacting to it. He's like, I can't watch it. And I have goosebumps for her. But that's because Ben's an Olympian.

And he knows. He actually is an Olympian. He actually knows. He's like, I've been there. But it begs the question, what was the purpose of Ray Gunn participating in this documentary? Was it a redemption arc? Was she trying to tell her story? did she think that this was going to sweep it all under the rug again? Because by all accounts,

all it is done is bring something that pretty much died down. It just gave it a bunch more oxygen. And now we're all talking about it again. And that is the exact reason why I say I don't know how I feel about it. Because it would be different if it was a redemption story where you watched it and you go, you know what? The internet was really incredibly cruel. And I actually do feel super differently about everything that happened. I think two truths can exist. I think the internet was cruel, but I actually feel no different about the dance and I feel no different about the performance. And the reason for that is is because I think that there is a very interesting thing that happened whilst watching that documentary where self-belief actually crossed over into

delusion a little bit. And I don't say this to be mean and I'm not saying this to add on to a pile on. When you got to the end of the documentary, what I took away from it was almost this feeling as though we as the viewer just didn't understand the art form of break. This is Raygun's perception that we as the viewer didn't understand the art form of breaking and that actually everybody just interpret it incorrectly. Like that's her perception of it. It was this like, you know what? I might not have had the power moves, but I'm so creative and you guys just didn't understand. And that's on you, not on me. And so now I've gone to perform somewhere where they understand my creativity because actually you all were the problem and not me. It was a weird,

it was a weird unpack. I got to the end of it and I was like, oh, no more self-awareness. None, zero. Okay, it did have an effect for me. When you say was the purpose that she came on to change our view of her dance at the end or how we thought of her. And it absolutely did change things for me massively because now I realize she wasn't the problem. Her husband was the problem.

100%. And I'm not saying that lightly. Her husband, Sam, who is also her trainer, hands down, had an opportunity to, I don't know the right word is, had an opportunity to placate this situation. to maybe give some soft love that I love your dance. It's amazing. I don't think it's Olympic level. And I say this would love to Raygun.

I semi-defended her last year when it came out. And I think that she was given an opportunity she never thought would come. She handed a ticket to the Olympics. In this documentary, it does show, and this is what Ben said, as an Olympian, he said, do you know what? I have to give hats off to her. She worked so hard. The second she got given that ticket and she knew she was going to be at Olympics, she was

hardcore training in the Olympic gym all day, lifting weights, doing the craziest stuff, getting really strong, then she would dance late into the night and she really put the effort in. Did the effort equate to talent? No, it didn't, but she did her best and she turned up and she did her best on the day. I don't think she should have ever been there. I think somebody sometimes need to say, I support you in anything that you do, but I also need to let you know that you are not at the level of the Olympics and I don't want you to go there and be disappointed. Like I do think sometimes there needs to be some tough love and

it should have been given in this situation. I disagree with you. I want my husband to blindly support me in everything I do. No, you don't. I want to be loved and supported in the same way that Raygun's husband. No, I said to Ben, never like me. No, I was like to Matt, I was like everything I do live with the level of delusion that that man has for his beautiful wife because so if you, if you're not across it and please go and watch the documentary because I'm fascinated to know what you guys think about it. Samuel Freer is her husband. He's also her coach. He's her mentor. He's her dance advisor and he's clearly her biggest believer. It's kind of like a love story documentary at the same time. It is a love story. He loves her. She loves him. She loves his style of creative dance and they

have this like quirky creative dance thing going on together. Does that translate into sport? Does that translate into Olympian level? Absolutely not. Do the other Australian breakers think that it was even indicative of like the level of sport within the country? No, by all accounts, it seems like the Australian breaking community also were a bit fucking confused. They were offended. But as there's this wonderful montage in the middle of the documentary.

No, the black and white head spin. I can't. Oh my God. There is a wonderful montage with the kangaroo. It's playing out. And at the same time, her coach, her husband, Samuel, is talking about how he thinks it is the most beautiful, incredible performance he has ever. the scene. He is moved by Raygun's performance at the Olympics. And I think it's that juxtaposition

for me that made me go, oh, okay, wow, this is why. This was the problem. There was no self-awareness. But the self-awareness wasn't so much just Rayguns. It was like you said, Britt, it was her coach. It was everyone around her reinforcing that she was doing a great job. I feel for her. I really do because there were moments that she was self-aware. There were moments where she said, what am I doing? I'm not strong enough. I can't do the power moves. She went and competed against other people around the world in her training and she realized the level that she was at was so far below other levels. She knew that. And whenever she voiced that, it was sort of squashed.

Like her husband and coach was like, you're amazing. You can do this. Let's make it unique. And I think that she should have listened to that gut instinct. I do not think the punishment fits the crime here. No, I agree. To be the laughing stock of the world. And that's not exaggerating.

I think she was the most memed, tweetable laughing. at person and I really, really felt for her. And she tried to subdue it. She came onto a live and said, like, please stop. It made it worse. And I, my heart goes out to her for sure. On that, though, and yeah, it was horrific. Well, why then have a Netflix doco? At some point, she's gone, actually, I can make a ton of money from this. I've made my career from this. She no longer does her university lecturing. She is a public speaker because of what happened. So as much as we feel sorry for her, it also made her career and she's now made a Netflix show. I don't know.

I think the Netflix show wasn't necessarily for fame. I think it really was created because she wanted to take control of the conversation. I think she wanted to share what happened and kind of the flow-on effect from becoming a meme. I just think that there is very little self-awareness. I actually genuinely think that the Netflix doco didn't do what maybe she set out to achieve. The only other thing I wanted to really touch on because I don't agree with it. And maybe some of you guys will, you know, will feel differently. But there was a comment that was made around the standard for which we hold women.

And so she was saying that, you know, as a woman who was participating and the fact that her performance wasn't up to scratch, the vitriol she received was way worse because she was a woman. And it wouldn't have been the same had she been a man. And I am the first person to scream feminism about 99.9% of things. But I felt like in this moment it was almost weaponizing gender a little bit, because I don't think that that's necessarily the case. I think if a guy got up there, did the sprinkler, there would have been just as much conversation around it.

And I say this because not everyone was hating on Ray Gun. When that dance happened, not everyone was like, you're an embarrassment. This is horrific. Yes, that happened. But there were also people calling her a queen, an icon saying it was like. They were still mocking her. No one, whenever I was like, yes, queen, it was because it's like, yes, queen, because you obviously give no fox what anyone thinks about you.

It was still in a mocking way. Yeah, but people would have done that if it was a guy as well. I don't know. I think that it takes away from the gender conversation when something is not about the gender. I think it does a disservice to women when we say, oh, that sexism or it's misogyny, if it's not. For me, it didn't have a clear and definitive, yes, this has happened to her because she's a woman, and that is how women are treated in sports. It didn't scream at that.

But maybe I'm wrong, and I'm very happy to be told that that's not the case, if you guys think that it kind of had a real element of this. I think it's both. I agree that if it was a man, the memes would have been the same. People would have laughed as much, but I think it would have looked different. I don't think it would have lasted as long. I think it has everything to do with the fact that when you think of what a B-boy is or a B-girl is, they are super cool. Raygun rocked up in a cricket outfit. A white academic.

She was so far from center from what people envision a B-girl to be. And I do think it would have looked different if it was a man. Maybe people would have laughed and mocked for a little while. and then it probably would have died down. Yeah, but what if it was a nerdy academic man that came in and he had no swagger and was like, woo! Like, I'm talking like a red-haired super uncoordinator. I think we'd laugh the same.

No, I don't. Ron Weasley gets on the back, on the danceboard. Do you know what? I would still be laughing. Like, it would be different. I guarantee it it would end up like Locky the geek from Beauty and the Geek that ended up being such a lovable, adored character on the KJ show for years. Yeah, potentially.

We look at them differently. We do. And I think what she's saying is. is, which I agree with, at the end of the day, when the world has realized that it wasn't just a few people laughing anymore, that you were the most laughed at and trolled person in the world at that time, it would sting so much more to be like, okay, cool, you guys know that this is just fucking bullying now. Where are my women at to at least pull back?

That's what I think she felt. So I don't think she felt it from the start. I think she probably laughed at the start. And when it took on legs of its own, because this thing took on a whole new world, that's where I think she took in there like, okay, enough. enough, like, can some women support me now? Because I am being, this is a slaughterhouse. Yeah, and I do agree with that. I think that that's a really good point. Look, overarchingly, did the documentary achieve what it set out to achieve? No. And so...

Her husband under the boss. It really did. But like, I love that they love each other and they support each other so much. But so if you made one point, which I think is like definitely something we should touch on, it's the crossover between art and sport. And I think that the conversation around breaking is that it's an art form. So how do you judge an art form? in a sporting capacity. But when we look at it from an Olympic level, in this instance, it is a judgeable sport. Raygun, unfortunately, no matter how conceptual the dance was or how artistic her interpretation of the Australian sprinkler is, it simply wasn't at professional sporting level.

And that's what I find really hard about almost giving her the grace is even coming off the back of this documentary, like you said earlier, Laura, she's gone, you know what, guys, you just don't understand my creative. You don't understand my art. And I go, no, you know what? I do get your art. I get that dance as an art. But in this scenario, and in this case, the Olympics is not an art form.

It is the most competitive sporting arena in the world. And the other sports and people that have gotten there have to adhere to a certain set of rules, standards, regulations in their sports. And unfortunately, break dancing also has those rules and regulations in that arena. And you can't admit it. Well, devil's advocate. That's why it's no longer at the Olympics. because so many breakers came out saying breaking is an art form and you cannot put labels on

it like other sports to track. You can't go and put those judging levels on that you would in any other Olympic sport. How fast you can run, how high you can jump, how much you can lift. Like the criteria for the Olympics is truly measurable. And when you put something subjective like a dance that somebody, the core of breaking is supposed to be expressing yourself. Sorry. Sorry.

No, listen, I'm the kangaroo and the sprinkler. Like the level. of subjectivity doesn't exist. No, but listen. Listen, what I took from this documentary is that when they say breakings about expressing yourself, you can see that Raygun

and her husband, Sam, truly from their core, believed what they were doing was the best most beautifully expressive thing. Like, Sam felt that in his core. And so part of me is like, fuck it. Britt, I agree. But to that I say, you can believe

something, it doesn't make it true. No one told them. I know, but I could believe, and this is what I mean by the crossover, the very first thing I said, the crossover between self-belief and delusion. I could believe that I am the best breaker in the entire fucking world, that no one's ever break like I break, and I could do the chicken dance. That doesn't make it good. But because I believe it, you can't believe something into existence, and that's what

they did here. They tried to believe it into existence, and everyone is trying to tell them it's not real. I don't think they did. She knew. She knew what she was going in. But he didn't. He still says it's the most. beautiful thing he's ever saying. I know, but that's what I'm saying. I truly think where she was let down

is, were there signs? Yes, she lost every event that she ever went to, but she won the event that got her to the Olympics. There was no one there other than her husband, supporting her, helping her train. So, like, the head of the breaking Australia said he didn't even watch her routine until she walked out that day. And then he was like, oh, fuck. He even said, like, oh, don't put the camera on my face. They let her down. Someone let her down by not, Being honest. Yes, by not just being like, fucking love you, babe. This isn't it.

I reckon. Go and watch the doco. I have feelings and I need to talk to people about it. Slide on into the DMs. Anyway, guys, it is time for our suck in our sweet, our highlight and our low light of each and every week. Britt, what's your suck? Look, mine just has to be how sick I am. I cannot breathe.

I don't know how I sound audio-wise. I have struggles for free. You sound good. Yeah, because I'm like this. I have to lean away and go. I just feel real. Do you know, when you say that, I'm so thrilled that we're sitting in a three-by- three room with air conditioning circulating.

You can't do it without me. So, step up to the plate. I'm sick already from this. I don't think I'm contagious still. I think I'm on the tail end. You are a woman of science, but I would dare say that if you still have symptoms, you're sick, babe. I'm good, babe.

I'm good. Anyway, what was your sweet? My sweet was just having the wind blow through my hair on that luge. Down the mountain with Laura. Whereas I looked back at her because she was 100 metres behind me. I was. I also had a rickety wheel on one of them and I came off and I was like, Britt, I couldn't go fast out of a rickety wheel.

And she was like, fuck off with your excuses. Oh, I was like, I'm hearing a lot of excuses. I saw the man check your luge before you went down. Can I say, though, how nice it is? Because we, obviously we spend so much time together working. We rarely get to spend time together outside of work. Never. Just like hang out without kids and everything else.

It's so nice. You were my sweet hanging out with you. We had dinner days. We did everything. We sat in a spa together. In the rain, it was so romantic. We went for walks. It was just lovely.

We did like a 10 kilometre walk. That is also my sweet. Spending some quality time with you, Brittany, is my sweet. My Sark is kids are sick. Kids are so sick. I say that I'm in a really good mood, which is weird, because since coming back from New Zealand, each night I've only had four to five hours sleep because between Poppy being wiped out with influenza B and both Lola and Poppy having ear infections off the back of it,

it has been a fucking time in my life. So yeah, sickness is also my suck. But my actual sweet, you and also Matt, Father of the Year. Not, you already said me. Sorry, Matt. Bless him. I'm so proud of him. He's a good dad. We should get more good dads. It's the end. That's it from me. More good dads.

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