Life Uncut - Some Big Changes Are Coming Next Year! And Unpacking "I Slept With 100 Men In One Day".

Episode Date: December 16, 2024

Hey Lifers! It's Laura and Keeshia today for the last Tuesday episode of the year (or maybe ever...)!Britt is over in Romania visiting Ben but she'll be back on Thursday for Ask Uncut. Christmas is really freaking soon and Laura is banking on the local RSL meat raffle to make up for her disorganised state! Laura and the family had a blast at the carols and met her new girl crush Emma Memma. If you’re an iPhone person, do you stick to even or odd numbered iPhones or are you just updating it whenever you feel you need?  We have some big changes coming to next year! We speak through the results of our last survey and how we are mixing things up next year! There's a documentary that is going viral on youtube at the moment titled "I Slept With 100 Men In One Day". It follows Onlyfans star Lily Phillips and the aftermath of Lily's challenge where she is quite distraught after completing the challenge. We speak about the complexity of these types of conversations when so much has been done to shift the narrative of sex work and highlight how platforms like onlyfans can be empowering, when the reality of this situation blurs those lines. We ask: Why is it that this documentary made us feel uncomfortable? Whether the stunts continue to become more and more outrageous to keep attention and subscribers? If the concern for her wellbeing is faux care/ shame dressed up in a different costume? You can watch us on Youtube If you have an ask uncut question or an accidentally unfiltered, send it to us on Instagram Join us on tiktok Or join the Facebook Discussion Group Tell your mum, tell your dad, tell your dog, tell your friend and share the love because WE LOVE LOVE! Xx   See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This episode was recorded on Camaragal land. Hi guys and welcome back to another episode of Life Uncut. I'm Laura and I'm Keisha filling in for Brit today because she's off visiting her lover, her fiancé Ben in Romania. I mean, we do have another episode this week before we are actually technically on holidays, but Bridget's like she took an extra day which I feel like you deserve if you're doing a long distance relationship she was like I'm traveling and you were like you're not traveling by then she's like yeah I am I'm on a plane I was like woman you're eating cinnamon scrolls I can see it on Instagram I know what you're doing she looks like she's having a magical like winter

Christmas which is very cool but she will be back here uh to do Ask Uncut on Thursday and then we also have our year in review coming out on Christmas Eve and because we are suckers for punishment we will also have a brand new episode per week before we come back from the summer break do we yeah we do what are they which ones you're recording one with matt is this how you find out i did speak with matt about it last week you will be recording an ass gun cut with matt brit is recording an episode with sherry and also maybe an ass gun cut with ben so that will all be coming brand new to your ears over the summer break this might be a really good time to ask you, what exactly am I recording with Matt? Or for everybody listening now, if you have any

questions that you want me to ask my husband, you know, like seven year itch, is that a thing? Whatever it looks like, send them to us in the DMs and I will ask him and we will answer them on this recording that is apparently going to happen in the future. Also, I mean, I know that everybody knows this and it shouldn't come as a surprise because I think that there's been a lot of gearing up to it thus far, but Christmas is next Wednesday, everyone. Next Wednesday. I just checked it again in my calendar to make sure that I wasn't lying. It is literally eight days away if you listen to this on Tuesday. That's insane.

Did that just blow your balls off? I haven't even got my boyfriend's present yet. Haven't even got my kid's presents yet. Santa has been lazy this year. Every year I feel as though you get to this point of the year and we all say like, look, honestly, I'm crawling to the finish line. Like I really feel as though I'm army commandoing right now to the finish line.

But knowing that it's only eight days away causes me more stress than I anticipated because that means that I've got a lot to do in that period of time. And I'm not even the one hosting Christmas. You're hosting Christmas. Surely it feels worse. Yeah, I'm so sorry to anyone who also hadn't checked their calendar and had kind of just not really put a timeline on how close the proximity of Christmas was. But I was sitting at the airport today.

I literally flew in this morning for this record from the Gold Coast and I was just looking at my calendar trying to figure out when was the next meat raffle at the local RSL club so that I could win myself a ham that's what I was doing at 6am at the airport this morning I love how much trust you put in the fact that you're going to have like good luck syndrome and lucky girl syndrome sorry that you're actually going to be the one who wins the ham is that what happens lucky girl syndrome you know a raffle ticket doesn't guarantee I know you have to order one Laura. I know. But last year we won our pork and our ham from the meat raffle at the local RSL. So I like had my heart set on it because it came in very handy. We host and we have to feed a lot

of people. Very hammy. I thought this year, that's it. We're going to go every time that there is a meat raffle until we've won our hams. But I realized I left it too late and there's no more meat raffles. So I have to go and buy the ham this year. And that's real. Anyway, I've got bad news I'm pretty sure that you should have already ordered it because you might get lucky. Anyway, how were the carols last night? They looked lit. The carols, it was so good. Nobody does the carols like the Surfers Paradise. Are you paid to say that? I am paid. None are as good. It's the truth. I went to the Bondi ones. I went to the Paddington ones. We are like carol, I can't say carol sluts because my kids are involved. We really do get around

when it comes to the carols and the Surfers Paradise ones are so good. They even ended with the eight o'clock fireworks the kids it was like they'd gone to utopia so when you're at the carols they obviously have like the back of house area where everyone has their kind of like tents to get ready in and they have green rooms the carols they had like little green rooms for the carols and the girls were in their little green rooms and a little tent next to us was emma memma and they just sat there so completely enthralled and emma watkins is she i don't think like she's not like a normal human she's literally like sunshine personified the way she speaks the way she is it's not just a stage thing like it is actually her she is the most lovely person it's

like she floats she doesn't even walk she just floats down the road have you got a girl crush on mmr i think i'm in love with mmr i was gonna say we should have her on the podcast but maybe that would get a bit strange what i also love about that is that they do eight o'clock fireworks I was chatting with one of my friends yesterday and I've realized that for New Year's this year, I don't really care about the whole midnight thing. We got to spend New Year's together last year, actually, you and I did at your house. You left early. What time were you there at all? Oh, you were there till midnight. We came back. Yeah. And we watched the fireworks all together. I'm so glad it was such a memorable experience.

But I've actually realized that this year, I think I'm just going to do the nine o'clock ones. I mean, it doesn't say much for us, does it? If you've gotten to the stage of life where you're like, I reckon I'll reach the nine o'clock ones and then I think I'll just go to bed. I couldn't bring the new year in a better way than getting nine hours of solid REM sleep. In true Keisha style. And you always want to kick off a new year right. You do. The thing is though, like when you're in your twenties or when you're younger, maybe also sometimes I think for some people who are single as well,

that there's this like real feeling of like, I don't want to miss out on something. So you want to plan a big new years. But I do feel like every single time I have planned a new years, it has been a disappointment it's never met up to the expectation or the hope that i had for the night and what the night could be and then you're always left so late it's like three o'clock in the morning you can't get a fucking taxi you can't get home you're walking four kilometers through the city to just to try and get to your house you've kissed this random dude who you didn't even like and you're like i you're not even slightly attractive to me but it's midnight and i don't just want to be standing here while everyone else is in their couples kissing but

Good if you're a random dude, though. Get out there. Get amongst it. You might get lucky. Well, look, coming home this morning, so I left the Carols. I woke up at 4.30 this morning in the Gold Coast. I got on the very first flight out of the Gold Coast and into Sydney, and I fell asleep on the plane.

And I, in true Laura fashion, I fell asleep with my mouth wide open. I like this. I have seen you catch flies on planes before. In the first row with my head against the window. and there was a spare seat in between us and then the aisle seat there was a man sitting there and he was you know he was just minding his own business doing his own thing and a couple of times I like you know when you're so tired and then you might hit a bit of turbulence or something's moved and your head just goes bong and you do the the full head yourself to being awake it's almost

like you get like momentary whiplash because you bang your head forward and back so I did that a couple of times and I looked around really startled and I looked and he would then look at me and I'd go back to sleep and we come into land in Sydney and everyone's getting their stuff and whatnot. And he turns around and he looks at me and he goes, excuse me, do you have a podcast? I thought he was going to say, excuse me, were you on stage with Emma Mimmo last night? He was like, do you have a podcast? I was like, yeah, it's called Life Uncut. He's like, yeah, I'm in your, I'm in your discussion group. My wife listens to your podcast every day. And I was like, Oh, please tell her that I slept with my mouth open for this entire flight.

I'm so sorry. Also with my shoes off and my foot on the seat. What a fucking grub. Okay, so you know how you just said that Emma Mema, she's like sunshine. She floats. Your sleepy, tired chaos consistently. It's not just a performance for the podcast. It is actually who you are.

So at least it was on brand. True. So Emma Mema floats and I'm dragging myself across the ground. Told me I wasn't allowed to say it last week, but I'm going to say it anyway. You know the scene. you know the scene people say to us that we sometimes are too careful of what we think are going to get us cancelled but this one actually you know the scene from forest gump where the guy has had his legs blown off and he's dragging himself through the forest

that's how i feel at the moment and is that going to get me cancelled maybe you're on your own here you this is an active decision that you have made you've chosen to put this in here you're on your own I wish you the best of luck anyway something going on in my life is that I have finally after over two years decided to get myself a brand new phone I was having problems if you ask Apple I was not having any problems because I traded it in and there was nothing wrong with it the battery was fine Apple knows the battery wasn't fine they do it on purpose they did get into trouble at one point for doing that, but I had an iPhone 12. Okay. So we're now up to the iPhone 16 and I've realized that there was this really strange thing in my mind. And it was the first time I've ever

noticed that I kind of partook in a bit of like allegiance with a certain strange thing. And I've realized that I am dedicated and I am loyal to the even numbered iPhones. What do you mean? Oh, iphone 16 is there what what number are we at now we're at 16 now right so i've now got a 16 but i've realized that over the course of however long i've had an iphone which would have to be god i don't know maybe 14 years or like at least 12 years now i've only ever had even numbered iphones mine's an iphone 14 pro okay are you also the type of person who hasn't believed it because i've seen this with certain things where a lot of people when they have their tv volume they will have to have it on either an even or an odd number and whatever they are like loyal to,

they stick to that. A lot of people have it for even numbers and I'm not usually that type of person who gets hung up on little details like that, but I simply refused to switch to an odd numbered iPhone. I don't think it's that. I think it's the fact that like an iPhone has about a two year bandwidth, right? Or like 18 months or whatever. And so by the time you're ready to get one, you're just on back on an even number, right? There's a new one that comes because there's a new one that comes out almost every year i don't know enough about iphones but i've had this one for way too long now and it's also dying and if we're going to complain about iphones the real thing we should be complaining about is the new photo update that everyone hates

who did that who did that everyone in the world hate there's not i have not seen one single post about people going oh i actually really like that it's now scattered as anything and i can't work out how the folders work what are you guys doing i remained loyal to you i realized that i i skipped the 14 but then the idea of going to a 15 to me just felt I felt really uncomfortable I felt dirty I felt like I was switching to a different team and I just didn't do it I just held out with the iPhone 12 for so long but I have to charge it three times a day and the camera didn't work I couldn't zoom because one of the cameras I dropped it and it crashed which is a real hurdle for someone who works in like an audio medium where you actually need your phone and actually need

a camera but Keisha really persevered for so long I did but it was because of this weird loyalty thing. I'm realizing that maybe this is a bit strange and I thought that maybe this would be relatable to people, but perhaps I am on my own. I think it is particularly niche. Also, sorry to all the Samsung and Google phone people. I think it's particularly niche. However, I'm sure there's somebody else out there who's going to reflect and be like, oh yeah, I've only also stuck to an even number. No, do you know where we had this conversation? We had this conversation earlier in the year when we spoke about big laptop purchases. And I said that I would never make a purchase over $300 on a phone. That's a laptop purchase. And you told me I was crazy and the

internet was on my side. I also told you that that was a particularly niche conversation and it ended up making international news. So like, I'm cool to be wrong. I'm fine with that. But the one thing we're not wrong about is the fucking photo app because everyone is raging about it. And I just wonder who the person was that worked on the backend of that, that worked on like the IT infrastructure and when this looks good, yep, they're going to not be able to find anything they want at any point in time. But I reckon that they'll enjoy spending more time in the photo app. I think it's reminiscent of someone who's had a to-do list for like the last six months, right? And they've had to have it done by Christmas.

Like it's been on their whip and they finally were like, it got to the week before and they went, I fully forgot. I completely forgot about that entire thing that I was supposed to do. So I'm just, I'm just going to do, this is what we're doing. And they just basically said, just remove any of the formatting that we've previously used. But also remove any of the formatting that actually makes intuitive sense. Yeah. Do you reckon that person got fired? I feel like if there's any redundancy that should have happened, it's probably to the

person who did the photo update. But talking of restructuring. Also, off the back of that, speaking about how no one likes a restructure, we have some big changes coming in 2025 to Life Uncut. And I know that it's one of those situations where people don't necessarily like change when it very first happens, which is why we wanted to give you guys as much warning about this as possible. And also to kind of explain the reasons why we're making these adjustments to the podcast. You guys will probably remember a couple of months ago, we did a quite a big survey

around what it is that you're enjoying about the pod, what it is that you're not enjoying as much or the changes that you would like to make. To be honest, I was really flattered and I was so touched by the amount of people that went out of their way. It only took a couple of minutes to fill out the survey, but we just asked you to do it. Like you didn't get anything out of it other than having your say. And we got over 4,500 responses, which was such a huge data set that enabled us to really know what was going on, you know, what you guys were liking the most. The structural changes that we're making. And at the moment, like you guys don't necessarily know this, but we work every Sunday in order to be able to bring you the Tuesday episode. So we record it

on Monday morning, but in order to have everything prepped and ready to go, we have to do that on a Sunday. So the changes that we're also making aren't just because they're structural changes that will work for you, but they're also changes that will allow us to have longevity and to be able to keep creating the podcast. Because I know like at the moment, it's really hard for everyone to show up every single Sunday, Sunday afternoon from three o'clock, we're all back on our laptops and working into the evening. And we want to be able to have not just an amazing product, but also have the life balance that goes along with that, especially now because we have the ability to create that structure and we're making these changes anyway and in order to do that we

knew that we would have to change the days that we were dropping content because we want things to be as up-to-date as they possibly can be so next year we are going to still have the three episodes that we currently drop but they're going to drop on different days so we're going to drop an episode on a Monday on a Wednesday and on a Friday morning and we've decided to switch up the order of the episodes because it came in very loud and clear that Ask Uncut was your favorite episode pretty unanimously. I think it was over 70% of people that was their favorite episode. So we're going to give that to you first thing Monday morning. So you can go into your, whatever your Monday looks like. If you get a bit of Monday-itis, hopefully it will be

alleviated a little bit by having something that you like listening to. We are going to drop what is currently on a Tuesday, on a Wednesday. So that's the personal life catch up where Brit and Laura talk about what's going on in their life. We often talk about something that's going on in the news, things that we find funny. Like it's basically this episode will be happening on a Wednesday now. So we're just shifting it one day. And then the interview based episode where we talk to someone who might be an expert in the field or a topic that we've really wanted to unpack or someone who has a really interesting and incredible story, someone that you just love and think is really funny. Those interviews are going to drop on a Friday. So you can go into

your weekend having a bit more of a like deep and meaningful conversation to listen to. The feedback that we were having was dropping on a Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, just meant that so much content was coming out and a lot of you didn't have time to actually listen to all of it. So these changes have been really considered and we've spent a lot of time sort of fleshing out what is the best thing for the way in which we structure Life Uncut and for ourselves. And we're so excited for what 2025 is going to bring. So these changes will be starting. So your first Monday Ask Uncut will be starting on the 20th of January. That's when we're coming back from our Christmas break. But as I said at the start of this, you'll actually have some brand new content to listen

to over the summer as well. Speaking of kind of schedule changes, can I do Accidentally Unfiltered now? Can we just jump into it? Because I saw this TikTok. It's an American woman who, I don't want to assume age, but I would say that she would be roughly 65. And the caption on TikTok says, my Grammy finally decided to download a dating app and this is how it's going.

and she's sitting there showing her granddaughter how her dating app is going and this is what she said uh hello gary nice to meet you i love the picture of you on the swing looks like fun and i love to swing too so i said that yesterday and then today i reread it and i go oh my gosh so this is what i said back today i said hi gary i just i just saw that i i labeled myself as a swinger so sorry i am not a swinger the complete opposite to be honest with you i apologize for my bad choice of words and i hope this goes this goes uh oh it should have been does does not deter you from reaching out to me have a wonderful evening I don't know what's weirder whether the fact that she was like I'm sorry I labeled myself a swinger or she replied by saying I like to swing

too what 70 year old lady wants to sit on a swing and swing she just said I like the photo of your swing I you know I like to swing too you look adventurous I don't know I'm just picturing those ones in Bali you know how they've got those massive big swings that you can go on it's not so much about the picture it's about the reply do you know what is something that's so embarrassing that I didn't understand and this would be going back it'd have to be like between six and eight years ago I reckon you don't want to hinge how you can select your political like who you vote for whether you're conservative or you're liberal so before I knew what the actual word liberal meant which is progressive, which is what every other country

in the world calls their progressive party, here in Australia, our more conservative party is called the Liberal Party. And so I used to think that it meant that they voted for the Liberal Party. Imagine how many people you would have right-swiped because you were like, our political views don't align. I used to think of myself as a left-leaning queen and I just would have been like, no, oh, gosh,

we're never going to get along because I also used to think that I wanted someone who had the same political views as me. And I used to just left, left, left, left. Turns out it could have been my dream man. No, but the thing is, is I think for a lot of people in Australia who maybe don't know the difference of that either, maybe they are actually liberal. You got to run the risk. This is true. They're Australian. Like we're using Australian terminology. I know that obviously it means different things in different places, but you would assume that most of the people who are putting that in, if they're Australian, maybe are actually liberal. It doesn't say much because there was no Labor Party on there, but now it's a

risk. The only thing I misinterpreted like from memory when I was on dating apps is I went through this period and hear me out where I received a request from several different profiles. And this is over the duration of about six months. So it wasn't just one time. So I was receiving the request from guys asking me to peg them, which I don't know what was in my profile that would have given them the indication that I liked pegging. The problem is, is I didn't know what pegging was. I had no idea. This is going back like 15 years ago, mind you, like when I like was on the dating apps. Was there like a photo of you with a laundry basket and a bunch of pegs? Do you know what pegging is? Yes, I know what pegging is, but I'm putting you to this woman

who was saying I like to swing too. No, there was nothing on there that would have implied. I just, maybe it was a thing at the time. Maybe it was a trend. I don't know, but I can count on, well, I reckon I got about five requests for people asking me to peg them on dating apps in In a very short period of time. So after the second one, you didn't think to do a read of the room and ask the people around you, hey, I keep on getting these weird requests. It wasn't because of my dating app though. I don't think it was actually because of my profile.

The reason why I'm saying it was in a situation where I didn't really know what it was that was being asked of me is because, so the first few times they weren't even people that I would have like. Pegged. replied to or interacted with but then this one guy who I'd been chatting with for a little while was like hey would you peg me and I was like don't know what that means but was being really agreeable at the time and was like sure then went to my girlfriend hey this is where I'm at I've just been asked to peg this guy what does this mean and she was like and then she explained it

to me and I was like I probably should unpack why I'm giving off pegging vibes it is strange to me that so many if you didn't have a photo of a strap on or a bunch of pegs on your profile it is strange to me that you could somehow give off the vibe that you would be enthusiastic about pegging like I don't know what that looks like short of having photos that kind of implied that you were into it yeah I got asked a lot of times and then I started to think that maybe it was normal have you ever been asked I've never been asked to peg someone no no just me lucky me just you did I not look as though I was athletic enough I think it's the broad shoulders on me they really gave up peg vibes so I think I am constantly underestimated when playing sport

because I'm Keisha's like I could peg you too god damn why wasn't I asked to peg did you not think I had the hip mobility did you not think I had the stamina because I do this happens a lot every single Tuesday afternoon I am underestimated by the very fit 23 year old boys who we play against I have got two tries in the past few weeks because I genuinely could see it in their eyes that they looked at me and they went they got a bit lazy she's not able to she's fine and you don't need to worry about it I can peg him like a queen fuck you I could have pegged you well I might chuck in the accidentally unfiltered that we were sent that I thought was really funny because this is so something that would happen to me I was walking my dog with my partner one

morning not long after a council pickup you know the street ones where you can put all of your stuff out on the street and they come and collect it. There was a heap of games on the side of the path, including Monopoly, which we didn't have. I was stoked. I picked it up. I opened the box and I checked that it had all of these pieces. When a guy came running out of an apartment and shouted, what are you doing? It turns out that they were moving in and there was a moving truck parked right outside. Fair. No, I think that this is an easy mistake to make. I genuinely do. and I also think like if you're moving you don't just leave the games you've got to like that's keep that shit contained I feel as though I've seen people put signs on their things being like

we are moving this is not free please don't take this because people like me I love street furniture there is nothing that gets my dopamine higher than finding a piece of furniture on the side of the road that I'm like I can fix that there are two types of people right there are the people who would just pass it by because they're just like no not for me and then there are the people that would make their partner stand there while they go get the car. Or they will stand there while someone goes and gets a vehicle appropriate to pick it up. There was this one time I was walking down to the beach for a swim. This is when I lived in Bondi and there was such a good desk. And I said to my friend Ellie, I was like, oh, look how good that desk

is. I need a desk. I'm in the market for a desk. I was about to buy one. That'll be perfect. And she said, we'll just go for a quick swim and then I'll help you on the way back up. I'll help you carry it back to your house you're like nah it'll be gone it was of course I lost my chance at my free dream desk and I had to pay for I still think about a chair that once upon a time was in Bondi that I wanted my boyfriend at the time to go and get a car to bring it home it was like a velvet green chair and he was like absolutely fucking not he's like you can go get the car so I like ran home got the car came back gone because I was at the time taking home a lot of street furniture and he was like no more maybe they were actually just moving into the apartment

No, it was just one lone chair out there, ready for Laura Byrne. We're real scabs, aren't we? Yep, but that's all right. We can take the girl out of Wollongong. Something that we've been talking about in our group chat recently, and it may or not be something that you have seen and are also familiar with. There is a woman, her name is Lily Phillips. She's 23 years old and she is an OnlyFans creator.

And the reason why she has become quite famous is because she has set the enormous goal of sleeping with a thousand men in 24 hours. Now this seems to be something that is becoming more and more common. You guys might remember Bonnie Blue. She was the very infamous OnlyFans creator who really made her mark by saying that she was going to sleep with the schoolies boys. She had her visa revoked and there was so much absolute rage about that situation. But it does seem as though that there is this increasing sort of push for content that revolves around setting records for the amount of men that you can sleep with in a short period of time. We've spoken about OnlyFans quite a few times on this podcast before and also we've

interviewed Angela White who is a prolific porn star and she even said that she makes the majority of her income via OnlyFans now and it has been an incredibly empowering platform for her where she has agency, where she owns her own content, produces her own content and is able to make an income, you know, without the same amount of effort that she has to for her normal productions. But I guess this conversation around Lily really comes back to a video, a documentary that's been released that shows both sides of this record that she's trying to set. And it really asks the question whether or not OnlyFans, the people who are on there are being forced to create content that is more and more sensational in order to get the downloads and in order to continue to make

this revenue? So Josh Peters is the YouTube guy who actually created this documentary. It was released a week ago and it has nearly 4 million views. It was titled, I slept with 100 men in a day. And the documentary is Josh speaking with Lily for the majority of it and talking about, you know, how she got into OnlyFans. So for a bit of context, she started OnlyFans when she was at uni. She now has nine employees, which is a pretty substantial team. Josh calls her a businesswoman in the documentary. Her parents have always known what she has been up to and have always been across the fact that she's creating this content and not the nitty gritty details, but like they are aware and they are still very much in her life. She speaks with her mum every day. And the

reason I wanted to bring that up is because I think this documentary for me was really interesting to examine the stereotypes that exist in terms of the reasons why people get into sex work and compare that with my own biases about what I think about sex work and how the world views it as a very shameful career. So the documentary starts with some conversations between Josh and Lily talking about her goal of sleeping with 100 men in the one day. And so this is in training for this world record attempt that she will be making shortly where she wants to sleep with 1000 men in a day. They were talking about her motivations, about her fantasies, about her early OnlyFans career and how that has led her to the point that she wants to kind of set herself these challenges

and film them for her OnlyFans and this is what she had to say ahead of the challenge. Yeah I guess the only thing I'm nervous for is like for them to have a good time I want to make sure they enjoy themselves and not don't come away from it like oh I feel disgusted or that wasn't fun. I think other people in the industry definitely look down on me for doing this but I think at the end of the day people forget there's also my fantasy and this is also something that I'm really enjoying and want to do and have wanted to do before I was even in the industry. Something that I found really interesting in the documentary was actually the logistics of how they were organizing the 100 men that were going to be sleeping with Lily on the day. I think it would it would have been

generous to say that it was disorganized as anything and it seemed to be done by people who who really didn't necessarily understand that this could be a risk to her safety it could be a risk to their safety it was done by her assistants they basically put a call out on her OnlyFans and had people submit the application that they wanted to be one of the 100 men who slept with Lily they were to send a photo of themselves alongside with their ID and these were the concerns that Josh Peters the guy who created the documentary had about the way that they were selecting men The whole thing, I think I'm realising, is actually more mental than we originally thought. There are 100 men turning up to have sex with her for five minutes each in a single day.

I mean, there's a decent chance that one of them is going to be dangerous. One of them might have a weapon, have a criminal record. A few of them will have STIs. Just on a basic statistic, you can know that a few of them are going to have STIs. So let's just hope those condoms are good ones. now what was interesting about these hundred men that were selected to be the men who were going to sleep with lily on this day is that on the day of the actual i guess experiment or the the challenge i guess i could call it quite a few of them pulled out and so the assistants who were

organizing this kind of ended up using a referral policy with the men who were there and they said hey you know if you had a good time and you have a friend do you reckon you could message them send them where we are, send them the Airbnb details and get in contact with us because we've had so many pull out that in order to make this hundred men, we need more men. We need more people. And so they were recruiting kind of like on the spot. Well, she was also saying that like the people who were prioritized were people who had had the STI checks done, but also getting to a point where they didn't have enough people to actually fulfill that 100 man goal meant that they had to, I guess, be more lax with how they found participants. Look, I mean, the reason why we wanted to talk

about this isn't so much around the goal setting or this astronomical feat of trying to sleep with X amount of people in a certain amount of time. It's because of a specific part of this interview that has gone very viral. And it's of Lily reflecting on that 100 men experience. She went into it with such a positive outlook. She went into it with such a conviction that she was going to enjoy the experience, that the experience was a fantasy of hers. And then the follow-up interview really showed something that felt quite dark in comparison. And just for some context, if there are a couple of words that are muted in this, that's how the documentary had to publish the YouTube. So it might just sound a little bit cut to you. And each of the men logistically were

to be given five minutes to spend with Lily. So this is Lily directly after they had completed the challenge of 100 men just one in one hour like it feels intense like more intense than you thought it might definitely sorry okay just take it yeah one minute you know when I talked to you last like I was not nervous it was like the day before I was like oh I'm so nervous but it was good it was more I guess the interactions weren't like I'd have to stop them early and like you'd have to stand on business and be like I'm so sorry you got to go and like the awkward interaction of like you feeling pressure to have to make them come if like you haven't spent enough time with them and feeling like they didn't like you didn't give them

a good time because like they only got two minutes and that and that's what that's what's making you feel emotional is that maybe you think you didn't give some guys a good enough time today yeah yeah and it's hard I think having the interactions with them when they're like what you're not going to make me finish I've come all this way like kind of like guilt tripping me a little bit I felt bad like some people just travel so far like I didn't want to give them a shit time and like come away from this and be like oh that was yeah I think sometimes like feeling so like robotic like by the I think like the 30th you know like when we're getting on a bit I've got like a routine of like how we're going to do this and like it just sometimes you'd like disassociate and be like

you know like it's not like normal so in my head right now I can think of like five six guys ten guys I remember and that's it but it's just I don't know it's just weird isn't it like if I didn't if I didn't have the videos I wouldn't have known I've done 100 you know I think for anyone listening to that audio when I listened to it the first time my very first response was how devastating that sounded and like it makes me ask the question right often we can have fantasies often we can think that something is going to be a certain way and then when we actually experience it ourselves the the reality of a situation is very very different from what we thought it was going to be but the issue in this situation is almost that

Lily can't change her mind about it because it has been so public she has set herself the goal of sleeping with a thousand men. She has so many OnlyFans subscribers. This is how she is now making her income. This is what she has become known for. So it's kind of a situation of pressure where she can't go back on the goal that has been set. And it's very evident in that piece of audio that Lily is quite distressed after sleeping with a hundred men and that it wasn't necessarily what she expected it was going to be. And it was a lot harder than what she expected it to be in her own words but then she's gone on to do many podcasts and to speak about it publicly to say that she actually did really enjoy the experience and also that she does still have the goal of sleeping with

a thousand men I mean we've spoken about it heaps between the two of us and also like within the life uncut chat that we have because on one hand we've had so many conversations about how OnlyFans can be so empowering for some people and how it has been a really empowering platform for many sex workers. But I also think it's important to talk about the grey and to talk about the times when maybe it isn't empowering. And I watched that video and I watched that documentary and it makes me question whether or not this is empowering for Lily, a 23-year-old OnlyFans creator, whether this is actually doing psychological harm in the long term or whether this is content that in 10, 20 years time or even directly after she sleeps with this 1000 men

that she's not actually going to enjoy. I also feel a bit uncomfortable about even thinking about that because on one hand, she's 23 years old. She has agency. You know, she's not being pressured into this by any external factors other than some that we may get to that we think could be going on psychologically. And so a part of me is just like, what's my place to have an opinion on this, you know? Absolutely. And then the other part of me watches the documentary and I was really, really taken back by how much I felt for her. And I was trying to understand why that might be the case. And I was like, well, she's not a victim. She's chosen to get herself into this position. She said that this is her fantasy, but it really did make me think

about, and I think all of us may have been in a situation like this before where we've set ourselves a goal of, you know, we wanted to achieve something and whether that be that you want to run a marathon or whether it be that you want to do a certain thing for your job or whatever it is. And you can find yourself in the situation and you realize like, actually, this is so not what I thought it was going to be, but I can't back out now. I can't back out because I've told people that I was going to achieve it. In Lily's case, she has literally traded a certain subscription fee telling people this is what I'm going to do. And I think that the pressure of that would be pretty overwhelming because not only would she almost have to, I hate saying the word face up

to the fact that maybe the experience wasn't what she thought. But there is also a possibility that that was just her immediate reaction. She was really exhausted. She was going at it quite literally for 14 hours. She'd had to have multiple showers throughout the day. She was probably physically very, very exhausted. For sure. And so I don't want to kind of go, well, that's actually how she, you know, we just got insight into how she actually feels about it. Well, because it kind of is like affirmation bias, right? Like we already know that the industry, there is so much dehumanizing that goes on there is so much shame that is like completely enshrouded in the sex industry and the pendulum is swinging like we have had many conversations around how people don't

just get into sex work because they're impoverished or because it is an absolute need or there's addiction issues which I think used to be the real mentality people thought surely people would only do this for a job because they had to and we know that the mentality around that is changing and that there are so many people who get into this work because they want to but I guess the big part of this is seeing Lily so upset after setting herself this goal and going through with the 100 men knowing that she has the goal of a thousand it's like is it affirmation bias that part of the documentary where when you see her upset you're like aha I knew you would regret this you have confirmed to me that the way I feel about what you're doing is correct or is it

actually just like you said Keish a natural reaction to something that is akin to a marathon many people who do wildly physical activities cry throughout doing those physical activities or don't love doing them whilst they're in the midst of that goal setting and I want to be really careful about making this comparison I know you laugh because I'm like it sounds worlds apart but just hear me out on the theory around this it's because when we were talking about this when you first said the name that you're about to say, I was like, what are you talking about? And then when you explained it, I was like, oh no, I so get what you mean. Okay. All right. So hear me out. Ned Brockman recently, he's going to be thrilled that I'm talking about him right now. He's going

to be sleeping with a thousand men in a day. He's certainly not. No, but he recently, I mean, as you guys might be familiar with Ned Brockman, he's an incredible, incredible man who has raised so much money for homelessness by his marathon. He ran from Perth to Bondi. He also recently did a new challenge, which was running 100 kilometers a day for 16 days. Ridiculous, right? All of Australia got behind him in doing this. There were many, many moments throughout his marathon where he was crying, where he was swearing, where he looked very displeased that he was doing it, and he absolutely continued on. I think it's definitely a fast stretch to compare a physical marathon to a sex marathon and like have those things kind of like sit within the same realm

or the same, even within the same hemisphere. But I guess what I'm trying to say is that nobody questioned Ned Brockman crying. Nobody was like, aha, see, you regret doing this. You hate this. But that has been our natural reaction to Lily doing this, seeing her crying on that documentary the instant reaction is to think oh my god are you going to regret this is this the worst decision that you have made for yourself and I guess it is because there is an opportunity or there is a possibility that she will but it's also not our place to have that fear for her because it is the decision that she's making for herself I think also this is where we get into the realm of concern trolling where like faux concern if you look on Illily's Instagram

which I did last night and, my God, I regret doing it. It was an absolute cesspit. The amount of shame being put onto her was quite literally disgusting. An amount that no matter how primed and prepped you were, no matter if you'd grown up with this your entire life, I don't think we are ever psychologically able to handle that amount of scrutiny from the world. And I truly felt for her in that moment.

But I really thought about this internally of why I had this deep amount of concern for her given that like, you know, she has all of the things similar to Ned where she'd set herself the challenge. She'd achieved the challenge that she went out there for. She showed emotion, but Ned did too. You know, why did I feel like it was different? And I got myself into a little bit of a rabbit hole when, when she said that she felt like she dissociated, you know, she could only really remember six of the men out of the hundred or six to 10 of the men. And if she didn't have the footage of that experience, she wouldn't have really thought that it actually had occurred. And I did go a little bit deep on this because I thought maybe that's

why I feel so uncomfortable about it. Maybe it's the fact that she feels as though to accomplish this challenge, she has to literally feel an out-of-body experience. She doesn't want to feel physically connected to it herself. And I did a bit of research and Stanford Medicine said that between two and 10% of the population will experience the phenomenon known as dissociation during their lives but that dissociation usually occurs as a result of trauma hypnosis or certain drugs and this is where I thought oh maybe this is why I feel so deeply uncomfortable about this she's obviously not under the influence of drugs she's not under hypnosis do I feel uncomfortable because I actually think she could be causing quite serious psychological trauma to herself

you know she said that she has dissociated in the experience and that she wants to times that experience by tenfold she wants to up it to a thousand men do i see a young woman someone who's 23 years old making choices that i think could have very serious psychological impacts for them long term maybe maybe that's why i actually feel concerned for lily and i hope that that's the case because i don't think that we can ever completely separate ourselves from the fact that you know most of the trolling that was going on on her instagram was like wow i bet your parents are proud of you. It was such slut shaming that I think we've all become somewhat accustomed to as we were growing up. And, you know, we were told to worry about body counts and we were told

to think of ourselves as pure and saving ourselves for the right person. I don't think I can ever fully remove myself from those messages, even though we have spent so long really pushing the narrative in the opposite direction. Yeah. And trying to unpick it. Yeah. Yeah. And I guess I landed on the fact that maybe Lily actually was involved in this experience because she felt the pressure to live up to a goal that she had created for herself even though she was putting herself through a lot of psychological stress and I don't think it would be normal if you didn't have care for that I don't think it would be normal to see that and see how upset she was and not feel as though you had some type of sympathy for her that you know she might

not be a victim in the sex industry how we typically used to think of victims but maybe she's a victim to the algorithms now maybe she's a victim to the fact that we have to have more outrageous and out there content to draw people in yeah well I guess the big question is is is this empowering that has always been the question around OnlyFans and it has really been like the thing that set it apart in so many ways is that OnlyFans was and is empowering I think of creators like Bonnie Blue I know we've mentioned her a couple of times she talks about the experiences that she's had. And I've listened to so many podcast episodes where she speaks around it being something that she wants to do. She feels empowered by it. She enjoys it.

She has never outwardly or publicly at least spoken in a negative way. And I think that this is the first time where we have seen a creator like this. Actually, I take that back. It's the second time that we have seen a creator like this speak about an experience and show negative reactions to what they've just gone through. The other person that I want to talk about very quickly is Lisa Sparks. Lisa Sparks is the sex worker who has the record for the most men slept with in a 24-hour period. In 2004, she slept with 919 men in one day at a sex industry event in Poland. Interestingly, Lisa, who was in the industry for literally 25 years, came out and said, to be completely transparent with you all, this event is the only thing I regret doing in my

23 plus years in the porn industry. To this day, this was also the only job that I agreed to perform strictly for the money. I think that that is such an interesting and important quote, because I think it's fine to kind of think, okay, well, look, she's setting these parameters for herself. She's making these decisions. But if those decisions are purely based on the fact that she's now accruing a huge amount of subscribers and is making millions and millions of dollars off the back of it i do question like will money be enough to resolve any sort of residual feeling of like i didn't want to be doing this but the money was good enough yeah and i also it kind of makes me question like removing the fact that we've said you know only fans enabled empowerment

of women particularly in the sex industry at what point does someone step in because if these women are working for themselves there's no referee there's no one who's there to say we're going too far like we've actually pushed the boundaries too much you're not coping with this and I wonder whether we've replaced that with the public who are the subscribers you know I kind of equate that pressure of the expectation to now being well we have things like AI porn a lot more accessibility to this type of content and therefore the goalposts do seem to keep shifting you know with these creators that are getting a lot of headlines and a lot of media attention it's because they're doing more and more outrageous things also I mean we talk about people being

victims to an industry and I you brought up a really important point before Keisha it's not being victims to the industry of being a sex worker and I really want to make that clear it's being a victim to content it's being a victim to having to push things further and further in order to have the same impact. And that exists in all aspects of content creation. I think about people like, I mean, I think about us, for example, speaking about our lives or speaking about personal things and things that when we very first started this podcast, we were like, we would never, ever talk about. And then years and years down the track, you get more comfortable. You become more familiar with the platform. You become more familiar with your

audience and that kind of the bar gets pushed further and further now I'm not saying that there's ever been a time where I've shared something that I've regretted I love sharing what I share but I also know that there could come a time in the future where one of my kids might say hey mom I really didn't like that you shared that story about me when I was five you know because now it's something that lives forever on the internet and I didn't ask you to share that That's a possibility. And it is this question of like, well, where is the line? And when does content and content creation, the snowball effect of it become too much? And I think that was my overall takeaway from the whole documentary. I felt as though Lily does not have control

over that snowball. And that's my own personal opinion. Other people might disagree. And I don't want for people to misinterpret that as me kind of putting an element of shame onto her. I really thought, wow, I so hope that the next business decision you make is that you get a manager who genuinely, genuinely gives a fuck about you and is willing to help you establish what you are and aren't comfortable with. Because I felt as though I saw the dissolving of boundaries, you know, that one particular thing that really stood out to me was how much she cared about the experience of the men that she was sleeping with which is like such a for any woman who is in their 20s and I say actually it doesn't matter what age you are but I I think about this from when I was in my

20s how much I cared about making sure that the person I was with had a good time above my own satisfaction 100% relate like the things that I would have done in my 20s the things I did do which I look back on now and go that would have been a straight up fucking no but I wanted him to have a good time and so I deprioritized my discomfort or my feelings of like oh that kind of makes me feel icky for his pleasure and my worry which echoes what you say in this Keisha is that if this is going to be about money or be about an experience the boundaries have to be so firm it's you come in you get your one and a half minutes your five minutes whatever it is because literally I mean we've done the maths to sleep with a thousand men in 24 hours each man would

have one minute and 40 seconds like that's a boundary that has to be firm in order to reach that goal so it's almost as though they need someone there who it doesn't have to be Lily Lily isn't the one saying hey you need to leave now because that's almost too much pressure for someone who's already in quite a vulnerable position to be able to exact those sort of boundaries it's crazy to me how unregulated it is and how someone who is a creator can simply be like all right everyone just rock up to this address because there are so many elements to that are really unsafe. I contrast this with the conversation that you guys have with Angela White. Angela White had been in the sex industry for quite a while before she started her OnlyFans.

She now has her own production company where she is the one making the rules. You know, she's the one saying yes or no, but she also has the considerations of things like her safety. She has her boundaries. They are firm as anything. You know, her actual words were, if it's not a fuck yes it's a no to me and I compare that to Lily and I think that they're worlds apart and that's why I think I can find Angela's work really empowering and I can say wow that's amazing that you're doing this and you're making all of this money from it and I look at Lily and I think you're in a potentially dangerous situation because you don't have any of the infrastructure around you to support you to make sure that you're going to

be okay. And I mean that physically and psychologically. Yeah. And I mean, like we said at the very beginning, we toyed around whether we should have this conversation or not, but we had been speaking about it quite a bit and we were like, you know, when something keeps coming up, it's what makes us realize, okay, yes, it's definitely something we want to discuss. But the question was whether or not talking about this in this light undoes all of the really positive conversations that have kind of pushed the pendulum into the area of like, okay well look sex workers also have agency they're not all victims etc etc but i do think it's really important to talk about the full spectrum of this and there are instances where

it sits in the gray and for us this was definitely one of those discussions that sat within the gray and i think most people who have seen that part of this documentary and we will link everything in the show notes would feel as uncomfortable as we felt overarchingly in the question that we all keep coming back to is, is this version empowering for women? All right, it is time for our suck and our sweet. Keisha, petite, petite, little petite, what is your suck for the week? My suck for the week is that every single year I forget that this happens. My car insurance, my private health insurance and my car registration are due on the first week of January. So what is already a financial... Terrible timing. So bad. It's already

such a financially stressful time because it's like Christmas and you know you kind of spend up around the the summer season right and I am a good little saver like so it's not like it's not like the money's not there it's not like I'm gonna have to you know beg borrow and steal but I think just every time it comes around I have that same feeling of like when are you gonna start learning to prep better maybe that can be my news resolution I mean does anyone ever follow through by mid next year you realize you haven't done it and then that'll be perfect 100% what is your sweet for the week. My sweet for the week. This might sound really lame to so many people, but for the past three nights in a row, I've got over 95% sleep score on my Woot. And it brings me so much joy.

I got nine hours of sleep last night, Laura. Nine hours and two minutes. Have you seen the thing that's going viral at the moment? The project did a post on it and it was from a sleep expert who showed a picture of what the human body looks like if you consistently have less than six hours sleep for 20 years it ain't good it ain't good it ain't good and from all of my research into sleep which is actually quite extensive I'll have you know that if you're a woman you need an extra hour of sleep to what your male counterparts do especially when you're menstruating is it actually true yeah I saw that post as well your extensive research you saw a couple of Instagram posts no I have listened to a lot of podcasts from actual sleep experts and I will say I feel fucking great

okay I was really stressed last week because we had a lot of work to do we had a lot of like before Brit went over to Romania and I was not sleeping very well because we were all quite stressed and we were all kind of crawling to the finish line and now that she's gone love you Brit but I've been back to sleeping like an absolute log and it's been fantastic okay well my suck on the flip side is that I was up at 4 20 this morning to get a plane to come here to do our recording was that really shitty of me to brag about getting nine hours of sleep when you've had like three no I think it's aspirational if anything I look at that I'm like wow one day one day that would be nice well to look as fresh you can come sleep at my house and I'll go up and

do the midnight like cuddles with Lola were you also fuck my husband definitely not sorry man he's gonna that would be like ew Keisha what are you doing out fucking gross no but look if I'm gonna be honest my actual suck this past week was that we had our last episode with Mitch, which was so, I mean, it was beautiful, but it was really sad. You guys are very across all of that. So I don't want to go into it too much again, but that was definitely the low light. The highlight of the week, however, was that we went and we did the carols in Surface Paradise. And this was my second year, Matt's third year. And honestly, it's just, I'm not being paid to say this. It is the most special thing. And like the girls come out on stage and

sing a little song and Lola. So the girls got to come out onto the stage. There is literally like 20,000 people. It is crazy. I'm sure it's not 20,000, but it is like, if I looked at the Life Uncut live shows, which was two and a half thousand, it would have been six or seven times that. Like it is insane how many people are there. The beach for as far as you can see is just back to back people. And the girls are on stage and we were singing, we wish you a Merry Christmas with the actual singers because neither Matt or myself can sing. And Lola took the microphone from me and she's like we wish you a merry christmas we wish you a little rap rendition deadpan really serious just yelling it we wish you a merry christmas and she just had so much bravery

and i wasn't expecting it from her i was expecting it from marley but marley was super shy she didn't want the microphone near her and lola she fucking stepped up to the plate but what a cool memory it's so cool i was actually just thinking about um the pink show that i went to this year and her daughter comes out and sings a song. She's actually a really, really beautiful singer as well. She sings that Sunshine song. She actually sings it on the record as well. And it was so beautiful to see this like mum-daughter kind of duet situation.

I was just thinking about you singing with the girls on the stage. We sound the same. Identical. You'd never know the difference. Anyway, guys, that is it from us. Britt and I will be back on Thursday's episode for Ask Uncut. And if you want to join in the discussion group, Life Uncut discussion group,

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