Life Uncut - The Book Was Better! And Is Your Burnout A Threat?

Episode Date: February 17, 2026

Hey lifers! Tonight is the first night of our new TV show and we’re so excited to unpack the ins and outs of MAFS.  How does burnout feel for you? Laura had a conversation about interpreting ‘normal’ requests as threats when you’re at the point of burnout and how it’s showing up in every facet of her life at the moment. Are you good at spotting a liar? How about when it’s your own children? Laura can’t tell when her kids are telling the truth or when they’re conspiring to tell perfect fibs. They could be great actors or Laura could be really gullible! We need to talk about the Wuthering Heights chaos. Britt and Keeshia went to the Australian premiere last week and give their takes on what they thought of the in person versions of Margot and Jacob.We unpack whether book adaptations should stay close to the actual story line and why there’s so much criticism about this particular adaptation. We also ask “Why does Hollywood keep adapting the same stories instead of creating new ones?”  You can watch us on Youtube Find us on Instagram Join us on tiktok Or join the Facebook Discussion Group Hosted by Britt Hockley & Laura Byrne Produced by Keeshia Pettit Video Produced by Vanessa Beckford & Lachy Pugsley Tell your mum, tell your dad, tell your dog, tell your friend and share the love because WE LOVE LOVE! XxSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hi guys and welcome back to another episode of Life Uncut. I'm Laura. I'm Brittany. I just got vetoed. We just did a great intro and Laura didn't want to talk about it. No, you didn't get vetoed. We were just, we were told, hey, shut up. Shut up. That's a veto if i've ever heard it i was like hi i'm britney she said shut up we better not say that to each other all the time it's like our people aren't gonna think this is funny but it's like a relationship joke we just say it so we're like hey baby can you get me a glass of water and the other person will go shut up and we do it we get the water but we just say shut up you know that this is how it spirals downwards no it's actually not i think actually if anything it's a sign of a

good relationship once you have an in joke that's actually a bit mean but no one else gets it and other people outside of the relationship would objectively go oh that's mean but neither of you are offended that's when you know you're in the sweet spot that's when you know the honeymoon's over well the other thing we do is we talk at a normal voice and we'll say stop yelling at me oh yeah we're not yelling but matt does that all the time i'll be like hey honey can you get me a glass of water and he'll go i just use that example oh sorry sorry you're like baby are you coming to bed you're like yeah if you stop yelling stop yelling at me yeah it's so stupid Matt's favorite thing to do is anytime I ask him something,

we were just talking about this, but if I say, once again, can you get me a glass of water, he'll go, fuck yeah, I can. Fuck yeah. You can't lock eyes with me when you say that, Laura. I'll say, can you run the bar? Fuck yeah. Can you change the sheets? Fuck yeah.

And then do you have sex? No, we don't. We're actually very, I don't think we've ever had sex off the back of it. I don't think we've ever had sex. It's his favorite. Only three times. It's his favorite thing to do is fuck yeah. Can we talk about yesterday?

Laura and I were doing some stuff, some recording, filming stuff yesterday together. we can tell you want to talk about why we can tell oh yeah okay we'll start with that okay yes if you're watching this maybe you're thinking wow Brittany looks spectacular today maybe you're not thinking that but I have arrived with a full face of makeup like full glam full glam you've got lashes on stick on lashes look at my look at my shadow look at that shadow that is a that is a winged liner shadow and I have my hair you might not be able to tell the headphones I got my hair done really nice so we shot yesterday and we did have full makeup and then it was a really big day

and then we came home and we had to prep a really big heavy political interview for today how many big things happened it was a big day it was two big makeup big hair big interview and anyway my my brain power last night I wasn't so much physically exhausted my brain was just cooked so I fell asleep on my bed clothed full hair and makeup and I woke up this morning and looked at myself and I was like it looks really good so I just put a shirt on and came to work this is my this is yesterday's face I can I know because I was there when you had yesterday's face done I love it does it look like yesterday no it looks it looks fresh you look great you look like you've put in a lot of effort to come here today but what I'm reading from that story was that you

haven't showered in two days no I showered this morning oh don't fucking but I just cut your head out yeah I never wash my head I only wash my hair like twice a week I dry shampoo so I just I just shower from the neck down. Wow. I'm getting a lot of jealousy. I'm feeling a lot of jealousy in the room. I find it amazing. Truly spectacular is the fact that you only have to wash your hair twice a week. I have to wash my hair almost every day. It is so limp and oily in equal measures that if I don't wash it every day, it is revolting. Limp is up there with moist, isn't it? Limp. I have limp hair. Limp hits different. It's a particularly limp and oily now that I'm going through postpartum hair loss and I'm losing handfuls of hair, which is a real shame because I already had

very little fucking hair to start with. What about a bit of dry shampoo? Nah, it doesn't work for me. Just looks like- You sure? Because it works for everyone else. It works for the whole population, so I'm just wondering. It doesn't work.

I don't know. I just feel like it's still oily or I feel dirty. I feel like I'm covered in powder. I need to act- I just shower in the morning, guys. It's fine. And I wash my hair. I don't feel clean unless I've put my head under the water. Is that- Okay.

Anyway. So, the reason we're filming yesterday is that if you're listening to this today on Wednesday, the day that this has come out, tonight, Laura and I have filmed our brand new show, which is Married at First Sight after the dinner party. It is on Stan. It's immediately after Married at First Sight airs. You can go straight to Stan and watch it. And it is going to be big.

I'm frightened. I'm not going to lie, I'm actually fucking petrified, to be honest. it all seemed like a really good idea when we're like yes signed up can't wait tv show if you guys haven't heard of it I know we talked about a little bit and we haven't done it yet so even we don't know entirely what it's going to be like but we've got to interview the participants and obviously there's been some pretty awful behavior that's come out like recently Brooke there's been so much with her and like how she's had like this complete bait and switch personality if you're not watching it Brooke she's beautiful she's a model like she literally physically could

not be more beautiful she's stunning and she was also amazing at the start of the show and then it is like she's just completely had this switch of personality she's like she's possessed yeah she's gone from being amazing to being insane like not even insane horrible just so mean just there's no other word for it than mean and so we have to sit on the couch and interview and we don't know exactly who we're interviewing yet so like I don't know how I'm gonna go if I have to interview someone who, who I don't like. Yeah. Basically the participants are going to come on every week and we're going to unpack what really happened because there's always, you know, there's always five sides to a story. So we get to unpack that. We have footage that hasn't been played

that the participants and we will be seeing for the first time. You guys are going to see it for the first time. It's going to explain a lot of things. It might leave more questions. They might contradict a lot of people's stories. So it's going to be really interesting. So in a way I don't really know how to explain it yet it's a bit like chat showy in terms of we're interviewing people but we're also throwing to all this unseen footage and it's going to break down that fourth wall and it's a real look behind the curtains and yeah so that starts tonight I think it's going to be amazing I'm really looking forward to it but it's my first time doing it and I think it's something that I if we weren't nervous about it in any respect like that would just be a

level of confidence that we don't have I think that if even I was to go on a different show like I did a couple radio interviews when cloud came out last year and a couple of podcasts and that kind of thing and I felt really weird about the fact that I had no editing control yeah like and it was me I'd never have never thought of myself as a control freak but I think in this environment where people are so quick to take one thing that you've said and twist it in a way that you didn't mean and all that kind of thing it made me really kind of be apprehensive and a bit like oh I'm not used to not having the ability having the control did you send them some dot more editing dot points at the end you're like i made notes actually can you just send me the file and i'll do it for you

do you know what else it is i think because we've we have interviewed so many people on this podcast but all of it's been because we want to right as in like where people they're people we're interested in they have similar values similar beliefs their conversations or topics that we actually we align with and that's why we've had them this situation and speaking to some of the participants in maths we will be talking to people whose beliefs we do not align with people whose values we don't agree with and we have to have those conversations and instead of just on one hand you have to figure out and unpack what's happened on the show but also call out and keep accountable the behavior as well in some ways and I think that that's a really interesting dance that

we haven't done before and that's you know I in no way and we've done dance with the stars we've done a lot of dancing I've done the fucking cha-cha okay on on primetime tv it wasn't good can i say though it is going to be amazing and i think the the one thing that is incredible about maths and as you guys know i know brit you have not watched as many episodes as i have in the past but i just watch the dinner parties i was a fucking sucker for the drama i've said it every year guys like it's such a conversation starter it is such a social experiment that takes over our free-to-air tv there is nothing like it in terms of reality tv juggernauts in australia there are so many podcasts that are about it there are so many unpacks and recaps and all

that sort of stuff and it's the only show that's eclipsing over a million views with every single episode right like of australian viewership they end up accumulating they were telling me like two million views once people watch like you re-watch it later on streaming and like which is insane yeah absolutely crazy so to be able to be at the coalface having the conversations first and when people come out of these the participants come out of these experiments and then they they go on podcasts and they say they have receipts it's always a very one-sided story it's their one-sided story the idea of this show is to try and get every one side and to try and get the real receipts and not only is it what's happened since the show's finished it's also all of the like you

said brit all of the behind the scenes shit that you didn't see there's so much footage of stuff that was said in voxies there's a voxies like the little interview to the side when you're in your private time yeah there's so much that's happened backstage which feels a little bit jerry springer but it's like the cameras followed people or there is no video footage but the mics were still on and you can hear what people are saying like there is footage like that that didn't get shown on the show it's gonna be great but i wish it was two hours i know it needs to be longer that's and and there is also and this is something that i was shocked by when i found out there is also footage that's being shown on our show because obviously it's on a streaming platform it's on stan it starts late

at night when it first goes to streaming there is stuff that's being shown on our show that is worse than what you see on actual Married at First Sight and it was edited out of Married at First Sight because it was too much. It was like family time viewing. Yeah, it was too much. And we're allowed to swear. Fuck.

They told us we can say swear words. But you can't say the C word. And I was like, to be fair, as a presenter, I don't think I'm just going to drop the C bomb. Why not? In case you would. If someone's being a cunt. No, I hate, do you know, I hate the C word.

It makes my skin crawl. I used to. But as someone who's half British, I feel like there's a part of British culture that like you use it as a term of endearment. It's not the same thing as what it means in other cultures. For me, it's the word. It's just the word because I grew up, I mean, I think fart was a swear word in my house when I grew up.

So the C word was like, I was going to hell. I love that fart was a swear word in your household. This morning, my daughter farted on me twice and thought it was hilarious. One time it was in my hand. She jumped into my arms and I was holding her. That's called a cupcake. And she farted into my hand and then she ran around the house with her ass angled at me trying to fart on me for a good 10 minutes as I was trying to get out of the house.

Well, that's because that's what you and Matt do. I don't fart on my children. No, you and Matt have always said you joke around and fart on each other. That's what you, the kids are vacuumed. So they think that's funny. I haven't farted on Matt in so long. You've set them up a failure. It's Matt.

I blame him. I blame him. Anyway, look, back to it for two seconds. After the dinner party, on stand. Fucking subscribe, guys. We need you. Come and join us. It's going to be great.

Come, support us. love us. It's going to be awesome. It's exciting and terrifying. I'll do it just for you, Keish. Jules might. I reckon Jules would. Actually, speaking of Jules, I had a conversation with him. So Jules Lund is our co-host on the show. And this is a bit of a dogleg of a conversation. I know we prep what we're going to talk about on this show, on this podcast, I should say. And this is something that's a little bit of a spanner because it was a convo I had with him yesterday. and I've been thinking about it ever since and you guys know last week last week I was kind of talking about just the overwhelm I've been feeling in terms of being at this period of life with you

know a four-month-old baby and running businesses and and not sleeping again and I do think I'm coping relatively well with it but it is a lot and it's in my nature as I said to like I always am the person that wants to say yes to opportunities that they come up that I don't really manage my time very well or how I'm going to do it. And so my plate just gets stacked and stacked and stacked and stacked and stacked. And, you know, like I get so many messages from you guys who were like, I don't know how you do it. And to be honest, I don't know how I do it either. Like I do it with a lot of anxiety, but I was talking to Jules about it and he was saying he, he kind of hit this point of burnout. Right. And he was talking through his own experiences with burnout. And I know that

there's a lot of discussion in the media and across like news cycles around like, what does burnout look like and we're all living in burnout society and we've even done podcasts on burnout before could be time for another one actually without I guess me even really realizing what it is because I think we've talked about it but I don't think I've ever myself arrived at actual burnout do you know I mean I think I've I think I've teetered on or come close I think I've felt the overwhelm of burnout but I definitely don't think I've reached that point of where people describe this like feeling of almost being catatonic where you can't do anymore I've never gotten to there and I feel like it's like I mean you tell me but it almost is like you don't find

the joy in the day-to-day anymore things that used to be joyful it's like you just are on autopilot well I don't like it's hard for me to know because like I said I'm such a go-getter in in terms of like the way I approach stuff that I have not yet reached burnout and I think my capacity for taking on things is big and I can do a lot but I do sort of stack it and stack it and stack it but I was talking to Jules and one thing that he said which I have not stopped thinking about since he said it was he was like the reality of burnout is that first there's a sign there's a feather then you get hit by a bus and then it's a freight train he's like there is three different stages of it and he's like and one of the stages is feeling under threat and what he described that as is like

someone who you might work with or your partner or your kids they have really reasonable requests like oh hey at three o'clock can we go over xyz and instead of that being like you seemingly interpret that as like a normal request it makes you feel angry like you feel under threat like you're being like your time is being taken away from you and that's a feeling I have constantly and I almost want to apologize to you guys because like Keisha you'll be like hey I need to do xyz and I'm like why are you asking that of me like that's how I feel but the the request is like a super reasonable I don't know you thought that I feel really in the middle like right now and I don't know what to say I feel like it with Tony May I feel like it with Matt like I get home from

work and Matt wants to go over an email or he wants to go over a job or a pitch or something and I feel instantly enraged by the fact that he wants to do that I think it's also that you interpret normal things as criticism well yeah I think the way that it was described and what I really liked was you interpret normal things as a threat and that's how I feel I feel under threat because it is a threat it's a threat to your time and a threat to your energy which if you weren't doing so much wouldn't feel the same way yeah and I think it's like yeah it's maybe not so much a threat to your time which it is but it's a threat to your energy it's a threat to when you think you have an hour of downtime but now that downtime has been taken away because you've got to do another

email or another piece of work or something that just wasn't scheduled and I've never had the words to describe what that feeling is or why I feel so much rage and I say this as well because my so my sister's my business partner with Tony May and she cops a lot of it like she's my sister so I can be my true authentic asshole to her like I can be the version to her without her taking it in a bad way but she often asks things of me and I'm like fuck just leave me alone I also don't say that to her she probably doesn't know this but when she's just trying to do her job and run a business totally totally and I wonder if there's other people who feel like that but haven't quite understood why understood why it I guess is such a big deal or feels so enormous and like there's

this sense of doom and maybe it is because there is just you're living in this constant state of overwhelm which is where I think I am at at the moment I think I'm in a very constant state of overwhelm I think you as a friend and business partner I think you need to be really careful because I think you are close I say that not in any behavioral way to us I say that in a I wake up in the morning we do a lot of things at the same level like the podcasting the filming but then I think when I go home I often think of you and I think fuck I can go home and walk my dog and sit on the lounge and you're going home to three kids another business you're picking the kids up from school you're like fucking forgot them the other day you went home to she went

home into a driveway and she was like something's missing forgot the kids at school drove back I drove home. I was on the phone to Brittany and I reversed into the driveway and I was like, nope, not time to go home yet. Got to pick up the kids from after school care. Drove straight back out of the driveway and went to after school care. I think the time is coming very soon for you where you're going to have to start saying no to some stuff.

And I guess it's a sacrifice of some things. That's not forever. You are a spectacular human, but you're a human and humans need downtime and they need sleep to recover. I also don't want this to be about me. It is. No, thank you. I appreciate it.

Keisha, would you like to contribute to those? I wanted to be really careful with this conversation because it's not just a self-discovery. It was more so that when I understood this terminology for it and I understood this feeling I was having, I was like, maybe there's other people who have this reaction, but didn't actually know what that reaction was. Didn't know that it was this feeling of it's a threat. Do you know what I mean? Because it sounds so irrational and stupid.

Like why is an email a threat? Why is a request for some time a threat? Why is a very normal like, you know, hey, can we do this on the weekend? Or I'm going to pop around for this. why does that feel so like, what the fuck do you mean you're going to do that? Are you living in an insane world? Like more so it's an understanding that like, I'm the problem, not what's happening to me. I actually almost wonder, and this is very me putting a hypothesis that is not scientifically backed. I wonder if neurochemically, this is actually a way like putting you into a state

of fight or flight is actually because that prolongs your energy and it makes you be able to pay attention to things. Like I think when you're at that point of exhaustion, bordering on burnout the only thing keeping you going is fucking adrenaline like the only thing keeping you going are those chemicals of like kind of panic which is usually why when you stop that's when the wheels start to fall off the wagon it's not actually you don't yeah you don't like hit burnout whilst you're still going you hit burnout when you have a break or when you stop you're not running on the pure fumes of adrenaline it's why every single person that's like especially parents but everyone that's like really really busy you know this this really common idea of like why do

I always get sick as soon as I go on holiday. I haven't been sick in months and then I finally take a break and I'm sick. And that's why. That's airplane air conditioning. No, it's because you get gastro from Bali. No, it's because your body is like, oh, I can do what I need to do now because I have time. Your body recognizes that now is the time for you to get everything out and have your downtime so that you can keep going because it knows it's going back into that fight or flight. Yeah.

And look, I mean, I don't have the solutions for this. I realize we have such a huge audience and like I love and appreciate you guys as listeners and often you will write to me and give me your thoughts and feelings and what I don't want to happen from this is for a torrent of people being like you said you were going to pull back you said you're going to do this you know like when the next time I post something about work I don't want criticism that I'm working that's not helpful either but I guess my my feelings around it is I don't actually know how to step off the ride at the moment especially when you are someone who runs your own businesses I can't just take a holiday I can't just stop that project because

it affects other people I'm really not sure how to do it and I'm trying to figure that out for myself so give me some grace to figure that out but I think it's like I mean maybe you need to speak to someone and actually go through it with it no but I mean seriously so they can put some practical tips in place but I think you need to write down the things that you know can't change right like the podcast has a schedule right now Tony May has a schedule maps for the next eight weeks as a schedule but then maybe you just need to have a boundary where you say no to anything else that comes in and like protect your peace just for a short period of time to get yourself back on track because like you just said it is a merry-go-round it's not going to stop there will

always be a request for something and you will always feel like oh I should probably just say yes and then we've been saying for years right you've been saying that you were mad I've had these conversations for years where you're like I'll just get through this six months and then I'll say no and take that break and and it's never happened and I don't say that with any negativity but it won't happen until we put boundaries in place and you say no to something and that's tough because then you're like well what if I lose something from saying no to that opportunity but you've got to know that you're gaining something at the same time like I think that there's personality types where you pride yourself on your ability to do like I think that there are

types of people who get a sense of self-worth and like almost a bit of a sick kick out of just being able to get through shit and do more and I know that I'm that person and that's like I'm not saying it's healthy I probably don't need therapy I'm sure I can blame something on my childhood but like there's this need to prove that I'm able to do it all that I feel sometimes spoken about that flex of hustle culture you are definitely not the only one that's feeling it I know so many i don't just want to say parents so many people feel like they aren't parents i have felt it i don't have kids and i have felt it in the past but a lot of parents i imagine get there quicker because they have the stresses of everyday life plus trying to keep humans alive so many people

feel it right now like it will be so relatable but there is no end to it unless you're saying no there's just not i think it's so relatable there's that meme that's like adulting is just saying this week's really busy but next week will be better for the rest of your life it's so true yeah but I feel like so many people must think how do you get off the merry-go-round I don't know I think a lot of people can't for practical reasons not just because it's a feeling like a lot of people have expectations and they'd be letting other people down and so that's when it's when it's coupled with people pleasing your fuck yeah do we start the commune I've been talking about and we all get naked and move to Byron Bay we'll meet you there actually there was one other thing I wanted

to talk about and it's a I don't know what the fuck it is actually help me okay it's a phase of parenting that I didn't know that I've arrived at but I have and I don't really know how to navigate it and it's lying okay do you guys remember lying as kids like to get out of trouble or I mean I'm sure I did I think every kid did I yeah I lied to get my belly button pierced but I was 14 okay so my Molly and Lola are six and five right the thing though is I always thought that When little kids lie, you know they're lying. Like little kids are notoriously bad at lying. They're testing it out, right?

They tell lies and you know they're lying and you figure out whatever it is that's the actual truth because their poker faces suck. Not my children. Your kids are sociopaths. My children are so fucking good at lying, so good, that I point blank believe it's like Marley, for example. It's like she's been to fucking NIDA.

She will hysterically. Short course or long course? that was a personal joke she's only six so I think she did a short course no okay so like for example this is a really trivial example of this I have hair extensions with which I use for shoots and I left my hair extensions clip-ins on the table in the kitchen and I needed them yesterday and I was like where the fuck are the hair extensions I know where I left them so the kids I just put the kids to bed I went into the kids and I was like hey have you guys taken or seen my hair extensions both of them no and I was like I feel I know I left them there and I know Matt

hasn't moved them so you don't pass with a mullet you just stuck them on his pubes anyway they're like no not so point blank I press them again and I press them with a little bit like I know you're lying but I didn't actually know if they were lying or not and Marley breaks down crying and she's like like it's it is a theatrical performance around like why don't you believe me like I'm like we're telling the truth it wasn't over the top it was the perfect amount that was neither it was the perfect amount of tears that made me feel like an asshole for questioning them on something that they were clearly being truthful about anyway they go to bed like we even a cuddle sorry sweetheart if you didn't mommy maybe mommy put them somewhere else it's okay mommy

lol is the same never seen them they are in a pact on their fucking lie they are so it is so unbelievably believable that I walk out and I'm like accusing Matt of moving them and Matt was like no he goes don't you remember he's I'm sure I saw one of them in their bedroom anyway I go back in I turn the light on they've now woken up I go through their toys and there's my hair extensions clipped onto a teddy bear so teddy was looking lush I don't know how to distinguish when they're lying from when they're telling the truth I cannot tell and they're six and five yeah you're Fuck, you've got sociopath children. They're also in cahoots together.

They're in cahoots. Yeah. That's you for the rest of existence. That's your fault for having them so close in age. Like they're in cahoots. I had to have a big chat with them where I was like, if you tell me the truth, you won't be in trouble, but you're in trouble for lying.

And if you rat your sister out, you'll get a treat. I'll give you five bucks. Or wait till the day comes that they do, one of them does rat the other one out. Fuck, what do I do? I actually don't know. And this is not just, I know that that was one only example. This has now happened multiple times.

I cannot tell when they're lying. I no longer can call their bluff you just what if you are they too old to think that like that fable of like if you lie your nose grows yeah is that are they too smart you know what though maybe they're not that good at lying I mean you did believe every single one of your ex-boyfriends when they said they weren't cheating on you yeah maybe it's you maybe it's you Laura you're the problem I can't tell am I so gullible maybe no kids lie you just want to believe the best in everyone kids lie every kid lies that's what they're doing they're testing boundaries they've seen how far they can go they've seen they can what they can get away with but the problem is

you need to be able to distinguish when they are lying so you can call them out on it adequately which means you've got that now so what did you do well I called them out on every lie no so then I got they got into trouble for that and then we had the big discussion which was like you're not in trouble for taking the hair extensions you're in trouble for lying about it yeah the same thing happened this morning but I knew Lola was lying about something but it was so believable anyway I don't know where to go from this but it was I don't know what to do I don't know what to do I don't have an answer I was like the only thing I lied about as a kid was I really want my belly button pierced my parents are pretty strict with like ages that we could do things like ages I

could shave my legs ages that I could get a phone ages that all of those things you know ages I could dye my hair my all my friends are getting piercings and I really wanted to get my belly button pierced and my mom was like absolutely not you can get it when you're 17 and I was like fucking 17 i'll be old and washed up by that you know like that was so old for me when i was 14 and so i just went to dad and i was like hey dad mom said i could get my belly pierced can you take me and so he was like yeah sweetie so he just drove me there and i got it pierced and we both got like dad got in a lot of trouble too did he get his done as well yeah he still got it to this day but that's it hey keisha and i went to the weathering heights premiere so emily bronte is

the author of Weathering Heights. It's a classic. I have not read it. I do want to say that. Keisha hasn't read it either. And I haven't read it or seen it, so I don't know nothing. It's the talk of the town right now because Emerald Fennell, along with Margot Robbie, recreated or they say reimagined the book into a film. Margot Robbie and Jacob Elordi are the stars and they are on the promo trail at the moment around the world. And we brushed on it last week, but they're very much leaning into their characters in all of their PR they're very like romantic with each other and in love even though they're like friends they like say they love each other's friends say something like anytime she's not in the room we must go and find each other because that and it would have

pretty much I'm like mate she's married leave her alone she doesn't need to find you I saw a video this morning there's a scene where in the movie he blocks her eyes from the rain like he shelters her eyes like a visor right which is a romantic moment apparently it just happened while they were actually filming and she was like you have to do this in the movie like that was the most romantic thing that has ever happened to me and people in the comments are like where's your husband I say okay I saw a really funny meme this morning that was like watching Margot Robbie and Jacob all already on the promo trailers made me realize that all I want to be in life is Margot Robbie's husband's anxiety medication and I was like nothing truer has ever been said but we did

go to the premiere so they had a big premiere here where they were here Margot and Jacob were here and before we get into the film at all Margot Robbie is stunning you know she is right like you know there's always a difference you want to see someone in real life to see what they really look like and I thought the same thing when I interviewed Kim Kardashian I remember thinking I can't wait to see what she really looks like because I imagine she's always going to be very photoshopped in every single image and does she really look like that anyway she really does I remember walking away from Kim Kardashian thinking you are a work of art like I've never seen something more perfect in my life I felt similarly with Margot Robbie I saw her walk onto the red carpet and I don't know

how you felt Keisha but I was like oh you you really are like breathtaking more importantly what did you think of Jacob Elordi I don't want to say what I actually think because I genuinely think people will cancel me but fuck it whatever I think he's a phenomenal actor I'm going to start with that I also imagine that they were probably quite jet lagged and exhausted and they've been doing this you know PR trial for however long I expected a little more charisma from him on stage so at these premieres like essentially everyone sits down in the theater and there's like there's usually a red carpet or two on the way in and it's all kind of decorated and in the state theater in Sydney it is such a gorgeous theater we had a live show there a couple years ago that's amazing it's

stunning like it's classic and there's gold everywhere and marble and like it's just beautiful you sit down in the theater and then the actors will come on stage and Georgie Tunney did a little question and answer with them. And it was kind of cool because, you know, Jacob Elordi's friends from high school were there. They were all from Queensland, you know, Georgie, Margot and Jacob. And I just expected him to be a little bit more charming on stage. Like I was quite shocked by, he seemed a lot more demure and he seemed a lot more tame. I think he was being a bit broody. I think they were trying to still lean into their characters on the stage. That was the impression I got, but I didn't think they had a lot of chemistry in real

life on the stage no I didn't either but in the film they did I do think that his whole MO is this like a broody tortured artist and like I don't actually think that that is his personality or character I mean we're very close Jacob and we hang out all the time but I don't think that that's actually his personality I think he's known how to cultivate it for a brand image that's been a part of this film and a part of like the actual promotional side of it I saw a really interesting take actually just floating around online by a critic it was referencing Jacob Elordi and other tortured soul actors and if you look back at a lot of these actors when they first burst onto the scene they're not tortured artists and he the question was like why do we feel like and do we

feel like to take an actor seriously we need to hear them talk like this we need to hear them talk about like I needed to immerse myself in the rain to really feel the power of the mountain like it's like we need the suffering or something yeah it has to always be there has to always be a story about suffering and I don't know how do you guys feel do you think it makes you take an artist more seriously when you hear them talking like that rather than like it was fucking sick to film that I think yeah I do I do think that there is an element of it that allows people to think that they take their art form as an actor very seriously where it's not like a job that you just check in like I guess for people who are at that degree of being an actor and you know filming

in those types of movies there is this belief that it encompasses your entire being and like when you think about people who have lent into method acting for example where they don't break character because they want to be totally immersed in it I guess that there is this sense that they take the role more seriously than someone who dips in and dips out of being a character just because it's a job and then goes back to their normal life see I find it a bit insufferable I find it really annoying I'm like you're an actor you're allowed to act and be a different person in your real life like that's the point of being an actor it's the point of being good at what you do yeah I actually I find it quite exhausting now what I'm finding crazy about the

way that films are made now is that often there'll be a budget for the film and then there'll be a budget for the marketing and sometimes the marketing's more and I'm like oh wow this this world that we live in where and I think Margot Robbie arguably does it the best out of anyone in the whole world, you know, she's really set the kind of stage with Barbie. She just encapsulates these movements of press tours and how everything, you know, the fashion, the looks, the speech, Wicked, we saw it through and through about this, you know, female friendship. And I just find it a little bit exhausting. For me, I like them to be in separate categories of this is a film and this is the press tour. It's interesting that you find exhausting. It clearly works. Hence why so many

movies are leaning into it now like the movie springs off the screen and becomes something that permeates every part of the press tour and every part of their being and I think we want to believe it we want to buy into it we want to buy into the romance of it we touched on it just recently with Glenn Powell and Sidney Sweeney you know that whole press tour where they were basically have come out and said that they were pretending and leaning into the chemistry off screen as much as the chemistry on screen I think I do think it's a tried and tested method that sells movies and so if it's selling the movies of course they're going to lean into it at the end of the day they're going to make money yeah it took me a long time to see that movie because

they put me off because I loved it because I knew it was fake if I believed it maybe but I think I feel that with Margot and Robbie too I'm like you're you're married and you've got a child so like I know it's not real Pamela Anderson and old mate Liam Neeson also didn't I for me it's a personal thing I don't like it I get that you want to be the characters and you should lean into that but there is a line for me and I think a lot of people cross it. Now, what I want to say about the film. The film I absolutely loved but I went into it not knowing anything about it. I would love to do a poll.

Maybe we should do it on Life Uncut. How many people have read the book before watching the movie? Like how many people have actually read Weathering Heights or are they going to just go and see the movie? I get the impression if you're a bookworm, you've read it. It seems to be one of those top level classics. Yeah, but not everyone loves a classic. You can be a bookie and not want to read a classic.

I deliberately didn't read about the storyline. Because you couldn't be bothered. Well, I just wanted to go into the movie not knowing. And I think that maybe when you don't know, like you have no expectations and that makes it quite enjoyable. Yeah. I agree. And we are going to get into that.

But I just want to set what this is about because there are so many conversations that have come off the back of this and they're interesting and they are valid. So Emerald Fennell and Margot Robbie. Now they have worked together in the past. They worked together on Saltburn. They were offered a lot of money from Netflix, $150 million, but it came with some prerequisites around the marketing and who had control.

And so they actually said no to that sum of money and they said yes to a lesser sum of about $80 million. Do you know I have theories about this? So Oscars, you can only get Oscar noms if the movie has had a theatrical release. So if it goes straight to like Netflix, straight to streaming, you're not able to get Oscar nominations. and so they ended up selling the film for so much less.

They sold it for $80 million. And you know how there's all this talk at the moment of Netflix buying Warner Brothers? The CEO, his name is Todd Sarandos and he's been under a lot of criticism lately because he is pretty much against theatrical releases. So they're saying that if, you know, if they actually do acquire this business that we're going to lose a lot

of the movies in cinemas. And so this is kind of like, yeah, this is involved in that whole debate. But I, I mean, I'm curious around like when a book, like a really old classic, when a book is adapted into a movie and the person who wrote the book, who owns the book is dead, who makes the money off that? So like who purchases the rights to the book? Is it the publication? Is it the family trust? Like who owns that royalty, I guess, in this case?

Usually in the case where it's someone who's passed away, it would be like a family member or a descendant of some type. But in this case, and I'm not sure if this is just because it's such a historical book. I think it came out in like 1848. It was a roundabout then. I think because it was so long ago, this one was a little bit of an exception and from my understanding, this is of the public domain. I don't know if they even had to purchase the rights to this at all,

which is quite fascinating. You know, if you go and purchase a book nowadays that you want to turn into, you know, a film option, you have to pay the writer quite a lot of money. Well, it also means that there's probably more of a responsibility to be true to the novel. So, for example, and I mean, this is a very beige example, but I think of Harry Potter, for example, right?

Buying the rights to the book. The writer is so intrinsically involved in the production process because they care about the value. They care about the outcome, the storyline. Whereas in this case, I don't think Emily Bronte cares. I think she's moved on to bigger, better things. Well, that's the question that's come off the back of it because, well, the book is set in the 18th century and it has two protagonists.

Now, in the book, Jacob Elordi's character Heathcliff is described as a dark-skinned gypsy. So that is the way he's described in the book. Interesting casting for Jacob Elordi if the person who is the main character in the book is a person of color. Well, that's what people are saying. They've come out saying that, you know, she completely butchered it. They completely whitewashed him.

Why wouldn't we stay true to such a classic and give a person of color that role? And that is a great question. Emerald came out herself and said that it is inspiration and it is not a completely true adaptation, but does that make it okay? I find this an interesting thing because it's happened quite a bit recently and especially when race is involved. And the one that I think of, also probably a beige example of this, is Snow White, okay? Snow White copped so much fucking criticism for not being true to the storyline of Snow

White. We all know the storyline of Snow White. It is an enormous classic. it also is a little bit problematic for many reasons okay and the film which came out last year which absolutely got raked through the coals with the ratings for many reasons one of the reasonings behind it was that they deviated too far from the classic and that the casting of Rachel Zegler was too far departed from the traditional Snow White which is meant to be skin as white as snow and I guess the thing is when you look at a classic and you try and

modernize it into like what is contemporary, social, political, everything else. If they had made the classic exactly as the classic, they would have been absolutely criticized, scrutinized. It would have not translated into today's world. But then the fact that they deviated from the classic was also criticized. I wonder if in this instance with Wuthering Heights, if remaking that and remaking it with all the same racial implications would have stood the test of time as a movie adaptation? I think because I found out on my walk home from my friend that I saw the film with about the original,

like Heathcliff was a person of colour and obviously Jacob Elordi is white. Walking home I was like, oh, that does actually add a layer, you know, like it adds a layer that they chose to make that decision. And I remember listening to a podcast, it was of The Briefing, it was a couple of years ago, and it was talking about the colourblind casting of Bridgerton and how they had basically made this executive decision to put people of all different races into Bridgerton and obviously that was not reflective

of the time because it was in Britain you know it was very white and there was controversy around that as well from one perspective it's like yeah we want to see diversity on our screens that's great giving equal opportunity to different people but in the same way it kind of erases a lot of the hardship that people of color went through and it almost uh glorifies this time in a way that's really inaccurate to what they would have experienced so there is argument for both i think it was a very interesting decision to switch out the race of heathcliff for this particular one and that is the most fair criticism i think of the adaptation well it's because it holds so much weight to the story because it wasn't just about the fact that there was such a class difference

margot robbie's character is from a really wealthy family well-to-do family and he is essentially a servant and now because I didn't know the book it still had that impact I could still see that okay you can't be with him possibly because he's not rich but if I had have known and now I do know that it was also because he was a person of color it a hundred percent adds far more to the story because when I was looking at them I was like Margot I keep calling her Margot I was like you could definitely be together like if you really of course and also really loved each other you know but when you in that time when you know that you add in the fact that he's a person of color you understand more why her heart was so torn yeah I wonder why they decided to deviate from

it being a discussion around race at all because it's far more I don't want to say believable in terms of an interracial couple but I mean believable of the times believable of the times that someone might date down in class but obviously it's very very different when there's other parameters brought in can I read out some of the commentary that was made about it and this is from like experts i'm putting that in quotation marks nothing screams wuthering heights more than a blonde kathy whitewashed heathcliff and charlie xex am i right the times kevin mayer rated it two stars he said characterizations that barely reflect the complexity of an instagram reel let alone the greatest gothic novel in english literature the independence clarice lowry awarded

the film a single star calling it an astonishingly hollow work he said it uses the guise of interpretation to gut one of the most impassioned emotionally violent novels ever written and then tossed its flayed skin over whatever romance tropes seemed most marketable now in contrast to this there were also positive reviews david fear of rolling stones he rated it and said go batshit or go home finnell chose the former and flawed or not this drunk on pheromones take is all the better for it do you know what though probably when it's related to race though it's a very tricky question to answer when you are not a person of colour. Do you know what I mean? Like for us, you can watch it and be like, oh, what a lovely commercial love story it is between Jacob

and Margot. It's got far greater implications for someone who is a person of colour because it means a book that once discussed quite politically charged themes of racism and racial discrimination. Those themes have been left at the door for something that's more commercially viable. So I would say, if we're going to say, how did you feel about it? There's going to be two groups of people there's going to be people who have never been impacted by any racial discrimination and then there's going to be people who are like that's fucked it's interesting when you think about the fact and laura you just brought it up with the rachel zegler is snow white and the criticism that they got because the criticism off the back of this is it was a person

of color and you gave them a white character and that's what everyone's kicking off about in snow white the kickoff was because you gave a person of color the opportunity to play a white person, yet it upset the audience to the same amount. I think it's because it upsets the audience when you deviate from a classic. I don't think, I mean, remove the race conversation from this because obviously that is a very emotionally charged conversation, but this can be applied to any deviation from a traditional classic. I think that there's two types. There is deviations that are intentional and that feel big and people, I guess, are less critical of it. And I think of things like Romeo and Juliet which was modernized it was set in a contemporary setting Leonardo

DiCaprio and Claire Danes that was people were not outraged by that back in the day that was like such a creative and contemporary way of bringing that story into the modern day what people get angry about is when they go to watch a classic and they get there and the classic has changed and there's a bit of like elitism I think that comes with it like if you're someone who reads books and you fell in love with the story of that book you imagine those characters in your mind you followed the storyline there were parts of it that you felt connected to you you loved like we all have books that we felt like that about and then you go and watch a movie and none of those feelings are represented back on the screen because halfway through they fucking bait

and switch the storyline it makes people mad because they feel as though they're being led down the garden path and I do think that there's a a bigger and more interesting conversation here as to why they're led down the garden path in terms of the marketing and in terms of like the storyline I think it's very hard to turn a book into a movie and do it better and I think a lot of people will say that if you have ever read a book first and then they're making a movie it's hard to nail but I think when you turn a book into a tv series that's where they get it right more often than not and I guess that's because they have so much more time to play with and they can actually really nail down a storyline and a character and a plot line and you know tv

series go over years my favorite example of this is one day do I know okay the fact you haven't seen it it kills me inside tell me what it's about I don't think I know okay it is the most I bawled my fucking eyes I was like never I'm never gonna be the same person again I was changed from the day that I watched the last episode of one day I was a changed person and took me weeks to recover it's based on a novel and there was a movie adaptation that had Anne Hathaway in it and then there was the tv series the tv series that's why i haven't seen it no the movie was possible like no but no the tv series doesn't have anne hathaway the tv series came out in 2024 right and it was a netflix special basically in a quick summation of it it is two uni students they meet

on like the end of uni and she falls in love with him they have like an almost romance like an almost one night stand but it doesn't actually eventuate in a one night stand and then it follows them for the next 20 years her being in love with him him just being a bit of a fuck boy playboy and he like reels her in and then but they are but they are best friends and it culminates in will they or won't they ever be together and the reason why I think even though it departed from the book the reason why people were so forgiving of it and it was so beautiful the casting was so different there was the same conversations around racial conversations because the woman who's in the tv series her name is ambika mod she's an indian actress so that's very different from the original

book it's also very different from anne hathaway playing it in the film but the reason why i don't think there was even a conversation about the casting was because the intricacies of their relationship and their connection had so much time to be explored and it was so believable because it was it spanned over so many episodes and it was this incredible character development that you often don't see in a movie right so that I think that the small departures were forgiven I do think that that is like the perfect example of when an adaptation is slightly different but we have fallen in love with it so much because we've been hooked on each episode that we're now entrenched in the new story rather than comparing it to whatever it was that we read in the book yeah

my example of this is my favorite book series in the entire universe which is Outlander by Diana Gabaldon now there's I think there's seven or eight books in the series I started reading them when I was 19 years old and it took me, I feel like I was reading them for eight years and then I started again. I've read them all twice. Obsessed. It's setting the Scottish Highlands. It's why I moved to Scotland. My sister and I moved to Scotland because we loved these books so much. Like I cannot tell you the chokehold that these had over us. And they made it into an amazing TV series. Well, it wasn't amazing at the start and that's my point. They I made it into a TV series who had my hall pass in it, Sam Heughan.

You guys know that that was my hall pass. That's where he came from because I was so obsessed with the character of the book, Jamie. I, to this day, don't know if my hall pass is actually Sam or if it's because he embodied a character from a book. That's how obsessed I was. Anyway, when the series came out, we were so excited and I could not get around it. I was so disappointed and I was so angry because for a decade, I had developed what these characters looks like in my mind and who they were and what they should be but because

they have so long to develop the story and they've had the series going over the last 10 years I became obsessed and it replaced it and so now when I think of the book I picture Sam Heughan I picture Sam Heughan making sweet sweet love to me because it's a very sexy book if you guys segue but if you haven't read Outlander like maybe that's my vibe of next week but it's just the best book series ever I think it's because when you read a book like let's imagine how many hours it takes right you form an emotional connection with with the fantasy of what you create from the story and your interpretation of it but mine was a physical connection too there were two that were actually touted as you know because we often hear oh the book was way better the book was way better

two that are kind of generally assumed to be in opposition to that statement are the devil wears Prada and The Notebook. A lot of people fell in love more with the movies than what they did with the original books that they came from. But some more recent ones that we've seen play out on screen, over the weekend, I watched People We Met on Vacation. That's the first of the Emily Henry books that has been turned into a film. Of her books, that was actually my least favorite that I read. I found the main character quite insufferable. So I actually enjoyed the shorter version of her than what I got from the book. But we also had Richard Osman's Thursday murder club last year we had it ends with us you know Colleen Hoover so I think it's the emotional

buy-in that makes it so invested and and a part of me wondered like well okay if people are so in love with the books why are they making so many movies from them like if it's actually quite a risk that so many people are going to walk away from your film pissed off and disappointed yeah that they liked the original version of that story better why is it that they are making some of these films. Money. Yeah, that's exactly where I ended up finding the answer. It turns out that it's pretty much all to do with capitalism. You know, if you have an audience that is already invested in a story, you're more likely to sell a ticket to them. You're more likely to have a return on investment. And I think in times like what we're living in at the moment, I think that

familiarity, that is a word I always struggle to say. Familiarity. Yeah, I think that that feels nice and it feels kind of comforting that maybe you somewhat know what to expect well because when you think about it it's not just having an invested audience in terms of reading a book and that's your you know that's your target audience you're going to have obviously the new audience of people who have never seen it and they love it because of whatever version of Hollywood stars have been cast but also with it comes a brand comes with it it comes a community a cult following like there is so much more that actually is encapsulated around a book or there's the book discussions there's book club groups like and it brings that book back into the limelight you know

especially if it's a historical classic people are able to be like oh I'm gonna see the movie I want to read the book it brings it back into this ecosystem of a branding exercise and I think more than anything what we've seen with Wuthering Heights is the branding exercise on this PR tour we've seen them embody the costumes we've seen them embody the characters we've seen them embody the love story and I know we made jokes about it earlier about how Margot Robbie and Jacob Elordi have like been almost too into each other for the press tour that it's like uncomfortable when you know she's got a husband but this is all part of what sells a movie now and I think when you when you really look and kind of decipher well why would a production company take a risk

on butchering a book and having people pissed off it's because even if people leave the movie pissed off they still watched it they still went to that box office they still bought a ticket and that's all that matters really margot robbie absolutely schools people in how to do these promo tours she's it's a master class i don't think anyone has ever done it like her i don't think anyone will ever do it like her i guess my question is what do you prefer if you do like a book if you've read the book if you understand or know the background to the story do you expect the movie to mirror that or parrot it as closely as possible or are you accepting and okay with the fact that movies have their own creative license to pick your own ending and you can

look at them in two silos all right it is time for our suck in our suite our highlight and low light of each and every week i am going to go first because i feel like it's going to be my suck every week for the next little bit poppy is not sleeping i do not get any sleep anymore and I am running on 0% battery. No, she's like currently going through a period of waking up maybe six to eight times night and that's a lot. And then on top of that, Marley has a blocked nose. So she got into bed with me last night.

It was like this. I tell you, this is why people don't sell kids to me. Every time I think I'm about, I'm like, I'm ready. Laura comes in with one of these stories. Oh, it's full of joy. I love being a mom. It's my favorite thing. My sweet for the week is that I'm a mom.

I love being a mom. They're the best things ever. but like the sleep is a bit rough at the moment okay what's yours is that your sweet no that was my stuff oh no I was joking I mean I do love my kids but they're not my sweet this week my sweet for the week is actually it's a bit of a rogue one we had a big trade show over the weekend which has nothing to do with normal retail or Tony May stuff but it's called life and style it's random it is basically when you when you are a retail brand if you wholesale there is these big wholesale trade shows that happen throughout the year and this is one that we do we do it in this time of

year and we also do it at christmas time in melbourne and it's where you go and you set up a stall inside this trade show and shops from around the country like your david jones your you know like loads like country road group like all of your buyers come through these trade shows and pick up brands and stuff and we we had a really awesome trade show it's actually still happening today I am not there my sister is working but it's like it was a absolute cracker and every so often we have these moments with like work and business and like standing in a trade show just feels like it's hard work man and it really like I was there I was there with Poppy I had her in the pram and you feel as though you're like selling your soul because you're trying to convince

people please buy my literally yeah you're like trying to convince people as to why they should stock your brand over the other hundreds of brands that are there on the day but we had a really a really good trade show and it was good it was nice it felt like real yeah i feel like real hustle culture you know it's nice to get back to the back to the grassroots again i love it cute well my suck is just going to be the most boring suck ever i really hate adulting and i'm and i'm over doing it on my own my dishwasher's leaking and every time i put it on before i go to bed at nine then i come out in the morning my kitchen's flooded you need a new dishwasher i need a new just wanted but you know when it's like i just don't want to deal with another adult thing like

you know when you look around the room to tell an adult and you realize that you're the only one yeah that's what i do all the time in my house because it's just me i look at delilah and i'm like clean that up she doesn't do anything so that's my i just just it's just home maintenance it's just that shit stuff that's like you need to do it and it's so annoying but you don't ever want to do it the one good thing though is when you rent it's only an email it's only a couple of emails whereas if you are your own landlord you gotta buy the fucking washing machine you You've got to buy the dishwasher. You've got to fit it, measure it.

Anyway, that's my sack. My sweet for the week is, and I guess this is going to be a little bit of a promo, my sweet is the interview that is coming this Friday. So we just did that today, and it is a really tight turnaround, but it's an interview I've wanted to do for a long time. It was a vibe a couple of weeks ago for me. Aaron Parnas, who is, I mean, I don't want this to sound boring. He's a political commentator.

He's a lawyer. He's a journalist in America. But we are doing an interview breaking down the Epstein files. And I feel like the Epstein Files can feel very overwhelming to a lot of people because there's so much of it. You hear bits and pieces and you might not completely understand it or be able to comprehend it. I am also one of those people.

I'm down the rabbit hole so deeply and it's become really all consuming for me because I've become very frustrated with not understanding why things are not happening. Like, why are we not prosecuting people? Brittany's turned into a conspiracy theorist also. I just want to warn you guys, but it was really interesting. But that's not what the ep is. Because you recommended this as a vibe. And when we were doing the vibe, we were like, why don't we get him on as an interview?

And then through the powers of Keisha's admin capabilities, we got him on as an interview. And he's brilliant. So that's coming out on Friday. Yeah, this Friday, Epstein Files. If you've ever had any curiosity about it and why everyone seems to be talking about it right now, it is an interview for everybody. Here's a sneak peek of Friday's interview. Just recently, in the last day or two, we found out that, in fact, there was an FBI

record from the day before Epstein was murdered that was, I mean, pretty damning against Donald Trump. Can you talk about that? Well, so it's tough. I mean, all of this is very tough as it relates to Trump. There is no direct video or photograph of Donald Trump engaging in a crime. No. There are many tips that the FBI received over the years from young girls and women that Donald Trump them sexually assaulted them, knew of the sexual assault, etc, etc. Here are some things we do know. What we do know is that the Palm Beach County Police Chief, the one in South Florida, he testified and he told the FBI that Donald Trump called him after he arrested Epstein the first time in the mid 2000s and said, Thank God you got him. He and Maxwell were evil. Everyone

knew what they were doing. Some said, Okay, that's Donald Trump blowing the whistle and being the good guy to me. No, that's Donald Trump waiting until after Jeffrey Epstein's arrested to tell the police chief what Jeffrey Epstein was up to. So presumably he knew. That's number one. As far as the allegation that came up in the past 24 hours, what the significance of that was, was there was a tip to the FBI that Donald Trump f***ed a child in the 80s. That was a tip, essentially, at a high level. That tip was then investigated by the FBI. An FBI agent called the person who put in the tip and had an interview and that was memorialized in what is called a 302, just a record, kind of what you mentioned, that was then put in the Epstein database the day

before he died. It was put on August 9th. Now, that tip and that interview, that's just part of it, right? You need a lot more evidence to be able to go after someone like Trump regarding that or go after anyone regardless of their status. What was significant about that tip is that the person, according to reporting, the person who gave that tip was so credible that she received a settlement from the Epstein estate. You don't get a settlement unless you have some credible allegations. Now, to me, from base level, that those allegations were against Epstein, not Trump. She didn't get a settlement from Trump. She got a settlement from the Epstein estate. But Pam Bondi on Capitol Hill in front of Congress said there is no evidence that Donald Trump did

anything criminal. That FBI 302, that interview, that is evidence. Whether or not it's credible, that's beyond me. But that is evidence. And to me, she lied. So she's lying under oath. Yes. But then who's going to go, who's going to prosecute the attorney general? Anyway, that is it from us, guys. Please go and watch our YouTube, hit subscribe. Also watch After the Dinner Party tonight. After the Dinner Party, Mouths on Stand, that starts tonight. And keep your asking cuts and your accent unfiltered and your oh we really want your confessionals because maths is starting we thought as an ode to married at first sight let's do confessionals again let's bring that back we'll bring that back next week

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