Life Uncut - The Cornell Seven: When Public Outrage Works (& Your Horror Housemates)

Episode Date: September 29, 2026

Hey Lifers!   Britt has come armed with content this week, and it might be the thing that finally gets her cancelled. A spontaneous detour to Centennial Park, a helpless baby bird, and a pet-napp...ing scandal... Plus Laura has stepped off a four-day cruise and straight into the studio, still swaying. She tells us about sea legs, and sober 11am karaoke in front of the breakfast buffet crowd. (Yes we get podcast karaoke too).   Then the moment you've all been waiting for. The breadcrumbs are over, and we can FINALLY tell you our big news: Life Unlocked, our brand new subscription on Patreon! It's all bonus content, nothing is being taken away, and your four free episodes a week aren't going anywhere. For $6.99 a month you'll get at least two bonus episodes a month, first access to live shows and merch, polls, a direct line to us, and an exclusive Ask Uncut answer from Hamish Blake. Anyone who subscribes in the first four weeks goes into a giveaway too.   Your horror housemate stories did not disappoint. We've got a dick in the kitchen sink, a man literally living in the walls, a booger-wallpapered bedroom, a top-bunk vomiter, a five cent piece dusting trap, and a threesome shadow puppet show performed for a housemate AND her religious mother.   ⚠️ Content warning: This episode discusses sexual assault. If this is triggering for you, please skip from 33:05, or take care while listening. Support resources are listed below.   Then we shift gears to the Cornell Seven. A student alleges she was drugged and sexually assaulted by seven fraternity members after a message went out to the entire fraternity group chat. Two were expelled, five were told to attend a workshop and write an essay. After mass online outrage, New York prosecutors have reopened the criminal investigation. We talk about why survivors don't report, what happens to the bystanders who say nothing, when trial by social media helps and when it goes wrong, and what this means here at home. We close with a powerful message from an Australian headmaster to his students about what it really means to be a good man.   Everything discussed in relation to this case is alleged, and no charges have been laid at the time of recording. On Friday, don't miss our interview with a forensic psychiatrist who has been following the Lindsay Clancy case closely. Join Life Unlocked on Patreon: Life Unlocked   Timestamps: 00:00 Welcome back 00:47 Britt accidentally kidnaps a baby bird 06:31 The dog Britt "rescued" from its own front yard 08:36 Laura's sea legs & sober cruise karaoke 14:30 Our big announcement: Life Unlocked 21:11 Horror housemates: the kitchen sink & the man in the wall 33:05 ⚠️ CW: The Cornell Seven 49:33 Consent culture in Australia & a headmaster's message to his students   If you need support (Australia): 1800RESPECT: 1800 737 732 or 1800respect.org.au (24/7 national sexual assault, domestic and family violence counselling) Full Stop Australia: 1800 385 578 (24/7 trauma counselling for people affected by sexual, domestic or family violence) Lifeline: 13 11 14 (24/7 crisis support) Kids Helpline: 1800 55 1800 (for young people aged 5 to 25) If you are in immediate danger, call 000   Keep your questions coming! Slide into the Life Uncut DMs at @lifeuncutpodcast on Instagram You can watch us on Youtube Join us on tiktok Or join the Facebook Discussion Group Hosted by Britt Hockley & Laura Byrne Produced by Sophie Nathan Video Produced by Vanessa Beckford & Lachy Pugsley Tell your mum, tell your dad, tell your dog, tell your friend and share the love because WE LOVE LOVE! XxSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:10 You like that? Turned on? Good. Hi guys and welcome back to another episode of Life Uncutt. I'm Brittany. I'm Laura. I opened up for our prep notes for today's episode. And we do have some exciting things to talk about. But Britt, your one addition to the prep notes was Bird. Sorry, one edition. This whole content was my idea. Don't make me sound like I don't turn up. I have come armed with content. I did have quite the adventure on the weekend and it caused quite the stir on my Instagram. This is the thing that will get Brittany cancelled. This is the thing that gets to be cancelled. So, this is one of those stories where it's like every little
Starting point is 00:00:49 decision you make, you don't realise at the time, but leads you down a different path. Yeah, it has a flow on effect. Yes. And so Ben and I were driving back from, I don't know, where we were across the city, whatever. And we had Delilah in the car. And we were like going to take her to the dog park. The same dog park we always take her to. And for some reason, And at the last minute, we diverted. And Ben was like, what's this giant park? And I said, oh, that Centennial Park. He's like, why don't we go in there?
Starting point is 00:01:14 And I was like, sure. Turn to the side, went into Centennial Park. And if we didn't take that turn, I would have saved myself hours of agony. So we took the turn into Centennial Park, got out, played with a dog, whatever. And as we were leaving, I was walking back to the car. And then I looked down and there was this tiny little bird on the ground that had fallen out of its nest. It had some little feathers and it was so cute. Now, I could tell it was a minor bird.
Starting point is 00:01:41 That doesn't matter to me, right? And I know you're all going to come from me. People were like, these are pests, blah, blah, blah. It was still a little baby that was helpless, that fell out of its nest. It was a dog park. There are lots of animals around that could have heard it. And it was helpless. It couldn't fly.
Starting point is 00:01:55 And I said to Ben, we can't leave it. And Ben's like, absolutely not. Now, some of you guys might remember, Ben grew up as a bird watcher. Oh, sorry. What do you mean Bin grew up as a bird watch? Ben had like adult hobbies, but as a small child. That's the thing you take up when you reach like 55. You're like, okay, I'm going to go on this lovely holiday and look through my binoculars at birds.
Starting point is 00:02:20 Has he secretly Benjamin Button? Yeah. Ben as a kid, well, he grew up with his grandma and his grandma and grandpa used to love bird watching. And so from a little kid, Ben loved bird watching. He had bird books. He knew all the birds. He knows their sounds and their calls. And like, he loves it.
Starting point is 00:02:34 Anyway. It also explains why Ben's so good looking, but was single. You know, like he was, like, why haven't you started dating anyone? I've been bird watching. You're into fucking birds. Okay, got you. Got you. Bird watching is your hobby.
Starting point is 00:02:46 I like he love it. I love it. I think it's really cute. Anyway, so we looked around for its mom and there were some birds around hovering. And I thought, oh my God, that's his mom. It was like a meter away, but its mom can't pick it up and save it. And so I was like, do we leave it with this mom or do we save it? And we were like, we have to save it.
Starting point is 00:03:02 I can't leave a helpless animal. Ben picked it up. We held it and we were like, let's drive it to the vet. Took us about 25 minutes, half an hour. We get there, Ben goes in, and he comes back out with the bird. And I'm like, why have you still got the bird? He's like, they won't take it. They won't take it.
Starting point is 00:03:17 And I said, what do you mean? It's a helpless, defenseless bird. Like, even if they did whatever they did to it, because I think sometimes they even put them down if they're unwell. If you leave a minor bird at the vet, they'd kill it. Well, this is what I thought, right? And even in my head, I thought, okay, they're either going to save it or they'll put it, euthanize it. But that is much better than it being ripped to shreds by a dog.
Starting point is 00:03:36 in my head. I was like, I feel like I'm doing the right thing. So he went in and they said, no, you have to take it back. Ben's like, what do you mean take it back? They said, you have to drive back to the exact spot. He's like the exact tree. And they were like, yes, you have to take it back to the exact tree and put it back on the ground. Its mom will come and pick it up. And I was like, it's a fledgling. And I said to Ben, it's mom's not going to pick it up. It's mom's not coming to fucking pick it up from school and fly it back to the net. He's like, I don't know, Brittany. That's what they said. So I was like, so now I've got this. this fucking bird. It was having a heart attack in the car. So we drove another half an hour back to,
Starting point is 00:04:11 and then I was like, I don't remember the tree. Centennial Park is like the biggest wetlands. So we're trying to like go back and retrace our steps and we find the spot. And then I'm like, it was that tree. Put it back on the ground. And I was like, I can't just leave it. I need to see if the moms are going to come. And so we step back. Anyway, for another hour. I like the, it's, the birds in a same sex relationship because it's moms came. Had two moms. Progressive. I was so anxious and I felt so bad about it. Anyway, so we sat back on a table and watched it for like an hour. And sure enough, these other birds started to come and feed it.
Starting point is 00:04:45 And they were all bringing it food. And I've never witnessed anything like this. And I was like, oh my God, maybe the bet was right. We wait for another hour. And then I'm like, but how does it survive? How does it get back up the tree? Anyway, so I finally probably should have Googled this at the start. I Google it.
Starting point is 00:05:00 It's a completely natural part of fledglings. They spend two to three days on the ground when they leave the nest and they can't fly and the parents and the aunties and uncles feed it and then it flies away. So basically we kidnapped the bird in front of its entire family. It's mom watched me take it away to the fucking bird and it was just doing what it was supposed to do. The only reason why I know so much about this is because I did the exact same thing about a decade or longer.
Starting point is 00:05:32 It would have been like 15 years ago. There was like once again a little minor bird fledgling on the ground. It was a weekend. It was late at night. I picked it up. I took it. And then I put it in a little cup of box that like fucking fed it. Whatever I was feeding it.
Starting point is 00:05:46 The next morning I went and took it to the vet and they were like, we have to legally put this thing down. We can't keep it. They're like, go and take it back. But I'd been so long by then that the birds had gone. And so then I was stuck with a fledgling for a week until it flew the fuck away. I took it to Bonnet Markets with me. I'm there with a fledgling.
Starting point is 00:06:02 in a chew box, like feeding it through a syringe. I was like, this is not okay. Can I just say the statistics of not just one of you, but both of you, I'm sorry? Picking up baby birds and taking them away from home. How have both of you done this? Sof, I just want to like make you feel affirmed to this. Everyone has a possum story, okay? And everyone has a minor bird fledgling story too. I do just quickly, so if you wouldn't know this story, I told this story in the pot a couple of years ago. So if you've heard it, sorry, but there's a lot of new people here that wouldn't have heard it. This fledgling reminded me on something I did a couple of years ago. This is a damper story, isn't it? Oh, fuck. If this has something to do with your Nana,
Starting point is 00:06:41 strap me on in. The pigeons, the pigeons. So guys, my Nana race pigeons. No, you'll know as soon as I started saying it, Laura. A couple of years ago, I was driving home up a really busy road in Bondi, I'd been to the beach. I looked down the street and I saw a dog. It had no owners, nothing, was sort of sitting on the grass and then it got up onto the road a little bit and went back onto the grass and I was like oh my god there's a dog running around the road I've got to save it so I went down and I had some Delilah's treats in the car she lured the dog in and I coaxed it over I was like come here boy come on and I coaxed him over and he had no collar and I was like I can't leave him he'll get hit by car and put him I captured him and put him in the car it was a wymerana
Starting point is 00:07:17 took him to the vet and they scanned his microchip and they were like oh my god his microchip hasn't been updated he's still registered to Queensland so it took the why Marana home. And then I went on to Facebook and I took photos of it and I was trying to like spread the word like, has anyone lost their dog? And the next day, a Wymorana group in Newcastle contact us and said, I think I know that dog. They contacted the owner. The owner contacted me. And I get a message to be like, oh my God, we are beside ourselves. This has never happened before. Thank you so much for saving our dog. And I was like, I would hope somebody would do this for me. Not all heroes where capes. I get it, but you're welcome. And I said, where do you live and I'll drop it home? And I was like, that does look familiar. And as I started to drive there the next day, took me back to the house, I stole the dog from. I literally stole a dog from someone's house thinking I was saving it. Was it just in the front yard? Yes. Yes, he goes to me, he never usually leaves the front yard.
Starting point is 00:08:10 I was like, totally. I was like, that does sound weird. And I was like, in my head, I was like, I hope they don't have CCTV. In your white van with your dog. All I can say to this is that every time you've tried to save an animal, you've actually been more of a hindrance. You've never saved anything. What? It's the thought that counts. I don't think it is. Oh my God. Oh, God. Okay, well, I also had an event for weekend. I, this morning, I have stepped off the cruise and straight into recordings. So the entire time
Starting point is 00:08:38 I've been sitting in this chair, I feel like I'm still on the boat. I kind of feel a bit drunk is the only way of describing it. Are you drunk? Honestly, though, you'll start to feel fine. Like, I start to feel fine and stable. And then all of a sudden, I'll focus on the one spot for too long. And it's like, looking at a magic eye, everything goes, whoa. I'm actually feeling that looking at you, which is weird. Is it because I'm swaying? I think you're moving. I feel unwell.
Starting point is 00:09:02 Like, I feel very lucid from spending too much time on the ocean. Because, like, you kind of just become... You are a sea dog, dirty sea dog now, Laura. I've got my sea legs. Because you become accustomed to being on the boat. You get rock to sleep at nighttime. It's so nice. Like, I felt like it's in a little cocoon.
Starting point is 00:09:20 And then I come off onto land. And I'm like, if I can't... There's no slippery dip. There's no... It's so karaoke. Someone bringing me food and there's no karaoke. Speaking of karaoke, mate, it's my favourite. I think, well...
Starting point is 00:09:33 We did see. I'm definitely not good at it, but it's probably the first time that I've actually stood up on stage and done a karaoke properly. That wasn't drunk and wasn't it like a karaoke night with five girlfriends. I think the standard of good at karaoke is not whether you are a good singer. It's whether you get the crowd moving. Matt did some crowd work. No, but cruise karaoke,
Starting point is 00:09:54 different to normal karaoke because I'm pretty looking. This is giving the salad again. There's peace. Guys, let me tell you how many people appreciated that salad recipe. And I just want to say thank you to everyone who has tried my salad. I hope you enjoyed it as much as I currently still enjoy it. I can't wait for you to cook that for me. No, Cruz karaoke is different to normal karaoke because normal karaoke, you go into a tiny
Starting point is 00:10:16 room with your best girlfriends, you got some sort of fucking weird bucket of sangria and you're yelling into the microphone. Everyone's screaming. It's also the safety of. of like it's dark and enclosed and you feel like no one's judging you. I've never done it where it's like in front of people. This is very different. This is like not only is there an audience there but it's in midship. So like everyone who's walking to their breakfast or walking back to their cabins, anyone who's just walking the length of the ship can see. Can see people singing
Starting point is 00:10:43 karaoke. There are people who are very obviously professional singers or incredible singers who must live for doing this cruise karaoke because they're there like 20 minutes early. They've already got their song choice in. They know what they're doing. Then there's people who cannot sing it all. And then there was us. I think we're more in the cannot sing at all, but do bring a vibe. Bring a vibe. Category. But there was something very like humbling about singing, living on a prayer, completely sober, top of my lungs at 11 a.m. in the morning in front of all of these people who were just leaving the breakfast buffet. Do you feel naked? I felt good. I left and I was like, I feel alive. I'm ready to go tell everyone. No, we did it more as like a little supporter.
Starting point is 00:11:22 should I say for Mali? So Mali got up and she sang a million dreams. It is her favorite karaoke song. But we went on this, this exact cruise two years ago. It basically like leaves port, goes to Morton Island for a day, comes back. And she sat there at karaoke and she really wanted to do it. But she like, she was just too scared. Like we put a name down and then it came up and she was like, oh, I can't. She has been talking about that ever since. And so when we told her that we were doing the cruise, the very first thing she said is, it's like, I'm going to do the karaoke this time. And when we got on board, she was like, Mom, what day is the karaoke? And I was like, it's every day, pretty much.
Starting point is 00:11:57 Yeah, it's just one day. But anyway, she signed up, she did it. It was really sweet, but it was also a lesson because she was so hard on herself. Because she didn't do it as well as what she built it up in her head that she wanted to do it. So instead of like leaving and being so stoked and so happy, she was like, I'm a failure. I was like, you're dramatic. Do you get scores? No, it's just fun.
Starting point is 00:12:17 So you don't know, there's no winner. No, thank God. I was wondering where your medal was. To be fair though, like I said, Matt did bring the vibe. So if it would count for anything. And I also think song choice is the most important thing with karaoke. It's not how good you are at singing. If you pick a bad song that no one else can sing along to, that's a vibe kill.
Starting point is 00:12:35 Even if you're bad at singing, everyone has their one karaoke song. Mine is not living on a prayer. It's Alanas Morissette ironic because it's the only song that I know every lyric to. And I feel like any time it comes on, all the millennial moms and millennial women are like, And isn't it ironic? Don't you think? It's like, array! Yeah, everyone knows it.
Starting point is 00:12:51 I usually go big. I go for wind beneath my wings. Yeah. Yeah. Go home and go home, you know. That's my motto. And I think it's different. When it's so evident that you're not a good singer and you can't sing, you can't
Starting point is 00:13:05 go big because people don't expect you to hit the notes. So you do it satirically? Yeah, because you're just having fun. But if you could almost be good, but you don't quite hit it, trust me, you don't know karaoke like we do. I'm just looking at Brit going, wind beneath my wings. It's quite an emotional, deep, sad. And my core.
Starting point is 00:13:23 And you're getting up there. Everyone's like having a great. Did you ever know that you're my hero? You're everything. I do understand. I'm just going to pretend like that, didn't have it. Just scoot right along. I do understand what you mean, though, but is that a snort?
Starting point is 00:13:43 Sophie's really getting comfortable in this podcast. I think she farted. No, it was a snort. And she's covering it as a snort. It was a snort. It was a snort. I was a snort. I was going to say, Britt, I do think that you're on to something, though, because if you are not very good, but you're trying really hard to be good, that's way more embarrassing than leaning in to be bad. Yeah, if you're toned off like me, you just own it. You have to apologize and then you start singing. I've never apologized for anything.
Starting point is 00:14:08 No. What? What's that? Hey, we have some very big news for you guys, and the breadcums are coming to an end. I'm going to stop coming, okay? Well, it's time to tell you. We have been. We're ready for the grand climax of the coming of the brand. We've been sprinkling some stuff as time to tell you the big news. Some of you have guessed it. There's been a lot of subscription guesses, a lot of live show guesses, a lot of only fans. There was a few only fans, only feet as well. One could only hope. I do want to preface this before we do make the announcement. It is not a live show, which I know some people would be disappointed about. But don't turn off. But that is coming. That is coming. We have it in the works. Like you'll be.
Starting point is 00:14:46 It's been in the works for three years, but it's gone. Live shows. hard to facilitate when one person's in another country and you've got three kids. I've only been another country for six months. You actually weren't even overseas for six months. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Okay. Well, the big news is we are launching Life Unlocked, which is our subscription service and we want to make it very clear to you guys. We are not taking anything away from you at all. We're givers. We just want to give you more. We're giving us. We're coming with more. We're lovers, not hate us. We're, thank you. We're bonus, not unbonous. Not minuses. whatever.
Starting point is 00:15:18 No, what we mean by this is, you will still have your normal four episodes. If you don't want to sign up to the subscription service, you don't have to. But Life Unlocked will have more for those who do get to the end of their week and actually get to a Sunday and think, fuck, I've got nothing else to listen to. And I need more of Britain law in my ears. And can you blame them? If there's one thing we do well, I'd say to listen. And we've been listening.
Starting point is 00:15:43 I didn't know where that was going. For ages, you guys have been. A lot of you are like, hey, I get to the end of the week and I've run out of podcast episodes. I want to listen to more. I've listened to your whole entire catalogue. And some of you, OG lifers, have listened to every single episode that we have ever released. And that is amazing. We cannot be more stoked that you're doing that.
Starting point is 00:16:02 And the request has been there for more. We already released four a week for you guys for free. Without capacity, we've got what we could do and we're like, what can we do to give you some more? So this is it. It's going to be a subscription-based. It's $6.99 a month, which is less. I send a coffee. If you have soy and an extra shot of honey like I do, you're looking at $10.
Starting point is 00:16:20 In Sydney, there's prices with inflation. Fuck, they really get your sideways. And like Laura said, we're not taking anything away. It's just bonus content. So there'll be minimum two bonus episodes a month. And it's going to be a bit of a multitude of the life-uncut family. So it'll be me and Laura. There will be some with Matt and Laura, some with me and Ben.
Starting point is 00:16:39 And then our beautiful producer, Sophie, and our other assistant producer slash editor video editor, Loki. Locky doesn't have a title. Lock is an amalgamation. Lock is not fired currently. He's now he's. He's more employed. So there'll be some Eps with like producer based Eps with Locke and Sophie.
Starting point is 00:16:56 So there's going to be so much stuff, bonus content, little extra tidbits of interviews we've done with amazing people. You'll have early access to any future live shows, which are coming. Yeah, I think that that's a really big one as well because with our live shows last time, some of the places sold out very quickly. This is a, anyone who is part of life unlocked will be able to. to get first access to any merch, any of our live shows, you guys will know and hear of what's happening first. And there will be, you know, a time frame where you can kind of partake in those
Starting point is 00:17:25 things before we push it out to the wider Life Uncutt audience. This is truly exactly what it says on the label. It is just more. So if you don't want it, there is no pressure. But this is our opportunity to be able to give you a bit more of a look behind the scenes of what Life Uncutt is to be able to have more of Sof and Locke, which, you know, Locke came on the podcast, recently, you guys heard him on one of the Ask Uncutt episodes. We've had so many requests from people in the Life Uncut Facebook discussion group asking for more of Lockie. So this is the place where you'll get all of that.
Starting point is 00:17:56 Once month, Laura will put her feet up. There'll be a feat album. Yeah. So anyone, whoever is the fucking weirdo who keeps on putting photos onto Wiki feet, you can just go to the subscription model now. You got to pay now. You can pay $6.99 and I will put photos on there just for you. Laura's been giving this content away for free for years.
Starting point is 00:18:14 And I was like, enough enough. Hence why I'm now wearing close-toe shoes, guys, you've got to pay for it. Also, what I love about Patreon and what's going to be really great is it is your direct way to talk with our team in Britain, Laura. There are chat functions there. We can do polls about what you want to hear about. We can answer your questions. Like, it's just if you can imagine you get closer, you're kind of like in the family with us. So when we are planning episodes, you know, Lockie and I are going there going, okay, well, should we talk about this or this?
Starting point is 00:18:40 What do you want to hear? You can ask questions directly because we know the Facebook page and the. Instagram can get absolutely chaotic and we may miss things in there because there's hundreds of messages. If you just want to get closer, you want those questions answered, you want to chat, you want to discuss whatever, this is going to be that group that you can do this and you're right in there with us. The only other thing I wanted to add to all of this is that we are one of the only podcasts that have not released a subscription side to what we offer. We have always given you full and unvetted access for free to everything. All our episodes always have been free.
Starting point is 00:19:10 Yeah, and we do, we are one of the podcasts that does the most free content. Like four episodes a week is a huge amount of content that will not change. I know we've said it, but I want to reiterate it. We wanted to be able to give this to the people who have asked for it. And so it will be available tomorrow for you to sign up, life unlocked. You'll be able to find it through Patreon. And we're really excited about it because there's already going to be a bonus episode on there, a mini bonus episode from Britain. I. And there's also an ask uncut question from Hamish Blake. So we have him coming up in an interview in a couple of weeks time. But in the interim, we have an ask uncut question that he has answered specifically, which will sit in the Patreon. The best part is just to celebrate the
Starting point is 00:19:47 launch, for anyone that subscribes in the first month, by the end of the month, we are going to have a really cool giveaway. All you have to have done is subscribed in the first four weeks. So this goes live tomorrow. We are going to put the link for sign-ups on our stories. So make sure you have a look, and it's going to be in our bio as well. We also realize that for everyone who was in the comment section saying that they want a live show. We do feel like that this might seem a little bit like the Spice Girls announcing that they have a big thing. The great 26 September Spice Girls announcement that ended up being like a music set or
Starting point is 00:20:19 something when everyone thought it was a reunion tour. This is our reunion tour, God damn it. Let us live. It was giving Spice Girls where maybe everyone did think it was going to be a live show. But you know what that just really reiterates to me? People want a fucking live show. They want more. We shall get of them.
Starting point is 00:20:34 No, look, we are trying to facilitate a live show. We're just, fuck. Got a bit on. Between procreation, living in different countries, it's been rough. Yeah, but we're going to do it. I can't wait. Yeah, we are. In 2027, watch out.
Starting point is 00:20:48 We did a call out on Ask Uncutt, which was for your worst horror housemate stories. They're always good. You guys have lived with some truly awful people, and I really feel sorry for you, but they make for great content and great stories. We have received possibly thousand, at least hundreds of messages from you guys, with some of the most cooked housemate stories that are imaginable. We wanted to choose ones that weren't just like full of shit, poo and vomit, because there was a lot of those. I was about to kick start with one, actually.
Starting point is 00:21:16 No, there's so many bodily fluid stories about things that your housemates have done. I want to kick start a story with a friend of mine who I lived with, who used to love having a few wines. He really enjoyed the wines. Anyway, this one day, I was pregnant at the time. I had called him and I said, I'm going to be home in 25 minutes. We're going to watch a movie together. We had a little cute night planned. I love that you were heavily pregnant and still had flatmates.
Starting point is 00:21:39 I lived with flatmates when I was pregnant, yes. And he's one of Matt's really good friends. And we're really good friends too. Anyway, I gave him a heads up and I was like, I'm going to be home soon. And he was like, yep, no worries, can't wait. Movie ready. I opened the door and I walk in and it's pitch black. It's like 9 p.m. at night.
Starting point is 00:21:54 There is static on the TV like as loud as it could possibly be. And he's just standing in the kitchen completely naked with his dick in the sink. What? What was his dick doing in the sink? And the water running. And I was like, Was his dick still attached? That makes it sound like it's not attached. And I walked in and I was like, dude, what the fuck are you doing? He was like, oh, oh, sorry. And I was like, I'm going to close my eyes. You're going to walk to the bedroom. And I'm going to turn the lights on. And you're going to come out. We're going to pretend like it didn't, whatever the fuck that was, didn't happen. Sorry. You can't pretend that didn't happen. So anyway, it was years later. And I was like,
Starting point is 00:22:30 dude, do you remember when I walked in? Heavily pregnant. You had your dick in a sink. And he was like, Yeah, he's like, I'm so sorry about that. He's like, I was really drunk and I was pissing in the kitchen sink. I was like, you were pissing. That is disgusting. You were pissing in the kitchen sink and the bathroom was, the bathroom is an equidistance from the couch. Oh, no.
Starting point is 00:22:48 Like you had to get up off the couch. You had to get up off the couch and make a true decision, am I going to walk the same distance to the toilet or piss in the sink? Which am I going to do? Then all I can think is he's done this regularly. 100%. This is not a first. Caught with pants down. I was trying to think of, I told you guys my horror housemate story and I was trying to think
Starting point is 00:23:08 I had another horror housemate story. I don't know if this fits into housemate story when I didn't know I had a housemate. Bear with me. My sister and I were living in the UK and we needed, we're working in a hospital, so we needed some accommodation. And the only accommodation we could afford was to move into some woman's roof. It was like living in the attic. I lived in an attic, right? I have to explain this. You'd have to walk around the back of her house into this one back door. You would swing the back door open and then it was a room with like a meter long and a meter wide. As soon as you open the door, there were stairs to the attic.
Starting point is 00:23:39 And so you had to clamber up the stairs, push the attic floor open. Trapped door would stay open for ventilation. Fuck the setup of this story. Let's go. It's really important that I tell you this. Always open. We're always just like naked walking around there living our best life because we're very close.
Starting point is 00:23:54 And then I always heard some rat or possum or something under the floor and in the walls when we walked in. And I ended up, I complained multiple. I went to the lady and I was like, you have rats or something. Like, I can hear them. And she's like, no, no rats. And I was like, no, I can hear them moving around. Anyway, after like three months of us living there, one day we're walking past trap door and I look down and there's just a man standing at the bottom of the stairs.
Starting point is 00:24:19 And I look at him and I scream because he's in my meter by meter walkway. And you know what he does? He opens a secret door in the wall and went back into the wall. Sorry. I had a, yep. Sorry. I had a man living in the wall. That is not a flatmate story, Brit.
Starting point is 00:24:36 It is. That is a horror flatmate story. Doesn't get more horror flatmate than not knowing you have a flatmate because he lives in your fucking wall. I need to put parameters around the call out. Can I read you what Ash Wicks wrote back to my story call out? He just wrote, I walked in on a roommate midwank. Oh. I was like, do I need to keep you anonymous?
Starting point is 00:24:57 And he wrote, nah. Okay, first one from you guys. During COVID, there was the likelihood that I had COVID. And between doing the test and receiving the result, my housemate said that I wasn't allowed to use the bathroom and that I had to use an adult diaper. I was just taking a shit in a diaper. Because you might have COVID.
Starting point is 00:25:18 This one that got sent to me and I thought it was just harmless but very funny. I lived in a sharehouse in London where we had communal money jar for all of the important household necessities, things like toilet paper, cleaning products, salt pepper bills, basically anything that stopped the house from descending into complete chaos. we all had to put in a set amount each month, except for one housemate. He would regularly just steal the money from the jar and never contributed a cent, but that wasn't even the worst of the offences.
Starting point is 00:25:41 We started to notice boogers. Oh my God. Bugers on the wall. Bugers behind the couch, where we'd find these little dried up boogood blobs just stuck to the paint. It became a regular topic of conversation around our house. We'd all sit around and speculate who was doing the boogers, just picking their nose and sticking the booger on the wall like a feral animal. That makes you feel ill.
Starting point is 00:26:02 Then eventually the mystery was solved. The guy who stole from the money jar moved out. And when we went into his bedroom, the wall behind his bed was absolutely covered in dried boogers. And when I say covered, I mean it looked like he had been slowly wallpapering the room with his nasal discharge. That makes me actually feel unwell. Can I read you one more?
Starting point is 00:26:22 This woman, she was working on a cruise ship and she was in like the bunk situation in a tiny cabin. People party on cruise ships, right? Oh, we know, Laura. They carry a hook your heart. People do like to party on a cruise ship. No, so her cabin mate was always like pushing a heart, right? Like we enjoyed a good night out.
Starting point is 00:26:37 She was on the bottom. He was on the top. And he, on three separate occasions, vomited on her from the top bunk. Fowl. It should be instantly kicked off. You are kicked off the boat. Once is enough. If you got fucking vomited on through a bunk bed,
Starting point is 00:26:52 you have hurt the top bunk. I am sorry. Yeah. Okay, listen to this. I had a very religious housemate at uni in a house of six not religious girls. She would walk into our rooms occasionally after we had brought someone home, sit on the end of the bed, and try to discuss our choices. She also believed God would deliver everything she needed so she didn't have a job or money. She would just eat all of our food and wear our clothes.
Starting point is 00:27:15 Oh, you know what? I'm all for people having different belief systems, but like, you can't be like, God will deliver. And look, he delivered a banana. That's Sarah bought. But no, but you can't also walk in when people are having sex and tell them like that you don't think that's okay. Oh, dear. Do you know what I loved on the Facebook group? This is my favorite.
Starting point is 00:27:32 I had a housemate that strategically left a five-cent piece on the windowsill, so he would hold it against me if I didn't dust to his standard. He knew if the five-cent piece moved, it was evidence that I had dusted, so he would check religiously. I was 19. I wasn't fucking dusting any windowsills. That's why he did it because he was like, I'm so sick of this bitch, never dusting anything. When was the last time you got a dust around dusted?
Starting point is 00:27:54 I don't have three kids. I don't dust anything. No one dust. I had a housemate who cooked a whole. whole raw chicken in the microwave. That's actually just salt, you'll die. Say salmonella. I used to try and cook whole eggs with the shell on in the microwave.
Starting point is 00:28:07 And I didn't. This was when I had Alzheimer's mates. You were this person. I took it upon myself to try and figure out this. It was like a science experiment. The perfect amount of time that you can put an uncooked hard egg into the microwave and blitz it so that you can get a perfectly boiled egg before it explodes. But I would do that when I lived in a sharehouse, Ethan gave me a car.
Starting point is 00:28:34 How many eggs did you explode? Most of them. And the one time that I managed to cook one without it exploding, it was like, I fucking won the lottery. I don't think people cook their eggs in the microwave. You really shouldn't. They explode. I've got a truly horrifying one. When I was living in Italy studying, I had a flatmate who used to invite guys over,
Starting point is 00:28:55 which totally fine, fun for them. She says a few other things. That's definitely not what she said. That's not fun, fun. However, one of them decided to leave a filled up condom full of cum in the soap holder by the sink. No. They took it off when they went to the bathroom, the communal bathroom, and just left the condom in the bathroom. No.
Starting point is 00:29:14 This one was from sparkly jackfruit on Facebook. Of course it was. In my early 20s, I lived in a sheer house. It had a makeshift glass wall between me and my housemate. When I say glass wall, it was a fully glass wall and they stuck. paper over it to create the privacy. There was no soundproofing. Once the lights were on, it worked as like a puppet show.
Starting point is 00:29:33 You could see what was happening on the other side of the glass. Stop it. Now, I had given my housemate plenty of warning that my very beautiful religious mother was staying with me for the weekend. So naturally, that was the night she brought home a threesome. And rather than keeping things discreet, she put the performance of her life on with the lights. The entire room was illuminated by what can only be described as New South Wales, least family-friendly shadow show, my mum and I heard approximately 45 minutes, followed by post-quitus
Starting point is 00:30:03 debrief, also at full volume. Nothing says welcome to Sydney, like lying silently in a bed next to your mother while your housemate conducts a live theatrical production through a brown sheet of paper. It was literally puppetry of the penis. People pay for that. What the fuck do you do then? What do you do? And you're lying there next to your mum. So where was the paper sheet? From what I can gather from this description, it was like the glass, window, they'd put papering on one side, to block it. To block, so you couldn't see through. So they didn't know it was a puppet show?
Starting point is 00:30:33 Oh, maybe it was part of it. I reckon they didn't know. That happened to a roommate, not the, not the puppet show, but it happened. We had these weird rooms where the wall didn't go all the way to the top. It was like a gap, almost kind of like a studio thing. And anyway, she didn't realize that we could hear everything. And we heard absolutely everything majority of the time. And we had to kind of tell her, but we would bring it up in conversations of,
Starting point is 00:30:57 like quotes she'd said during fun time. I was, I was talking to Ellie about this. So Ellie is my mother in law for anyone who's not across it. She lives with me. She has puppet shows. No, she absolutely does not. She does not. No, I was telling her about this call out. And she was like, when she was married to Matt's dad, they used to work in, like, mines and they kind of were living on site in, I don't know, you call them small cabins. She kept hearing what sounded like a bird. Do you know there's Kooloo's and they call them murder birds because they sound like a woman screaming. They're like, oh, yeah. That's the worst Kooloo sound ever. Ben, Ben would know. I'll run that by Ben when I go on.
Starting point is 00:31:29 This is a really bird-themed episode. So she was hearing this like murder bird, this culloo sound. And she said to Matt's dad, and she was like, you know, what is this? Like, it sounds like a culloo, but it's a bit weird. And he was like, no, I think it's a cat. After several nights they found out, as they were walking out their house one day, they started hearing it. And then they realized it was the woman next door having an orgasm. Oh, my.
Starting point is 00:31:51 Could you imagine? Imagine if they went out to save it? I got one. To the woman who sent this in, I feel so sorry for what you. dealt with, but the last thing really got me in a giggle. Basically, she had the true horror housemate. Like, it sounds fucking awful what she dealt with. Her housemate hated using a towel and would just run naked from the bathroom. That's pretty funny. Through the house. And just leave a trail of water behind her. I'm not mad about that. Why the fuck would you run naked
Starting point is 00:32:20 through that? What have you got against towels? You got a shower and there's no towel. Yeah, that happened to me this morning on the cruise. So on the, so you were running up and down the aisles of the cruise. Did you, did everyone know I went on a cruise? Did you go on a cruise? I went on a cruise, guys. More of that on Patreon. Guys, this is a real shift of gears, and we are talking about the Cornell 7. So if discussions around sexual assault is something that is triggering for you, you might want to skip ahead on this one, or there are some support links that we will put in the show notes. Free Pussy Upstairs. I can't even say those words without feeling
Starting point is 00:32:54 absolutely sick, but free pussy upstairs is the Snapchat message that was sent to a Cornell University fraternity group chat while a 20-year-old student was allegedly being raped by seven men. Now, this is all, I mean, this is the story and the lawsuit that has gained viral conversation online and in media in the last five days. But the incident itself actually happened back in 2024. The woman who is at the center of this has simply been named as Jane Doe, but the Seven accused men have been named so prolifically across social media. If you want to go and do any of your own research, there are so many people who are sharing the names and the details, so many of the details of the men who were the instigators of this, the seven men, but also the names of the men who were within the Snapchat of the fraternity.
Starting point is 00:33:43 It's called the Kai Phi fraternity. And a lot of the details of the people who are within the Snapchat group have now been shared as well. Everything we do discuss in this episode is allegedly because no one has been charged yet, which is half the reason we are talking about it. But to set it up, this is Cornell University in America and they all have fraternities. You guys know that universities, we've seen it growing up on movies. Frights and sororities. Yeah, you see the hazing and you see the stuff that goes down. So a 20-year-old girl went to her friend's house slash fraternity.
Starting point is 00:34:15 They were drinking. There were some partying. There was some drugs involved. And from there she alleges that she was drugged, taken upstairs, and basically incapacitated. It is then that there was a Snapchat sent out to the whole fraternity's Snapchat group that said free pussy upstairs. This resulted in seven men turning up. They basically said that you can just turn up, whip it out. That's their words, whip it out, have sex with this woman and leave.
Starting point is 00:34:42 And they took it in turns for hours until the next morning raping her. Fucking hell, it's so horrific. It is horrific and we're trying to stay factual but it's absolutely horrific. So she then went and reported it to the police within the university. So Cornell University and a lot of universities have their own police. So it's not the district police, university police. And this resulted in something that I think has resulted in the upper or online. The gang rape, of course, is one thing.
Starting point is 00:35:11 But the fact that there were no repercussions out of the seven men, two of these men were expelled from the university. The other five men's punishment was to do a workshop and to write an essay. That's the full sentence, write an essay. I know. It's actually horrifying. And like, the reason why we're talking about this is because there has been such an immense viral uproar as there should be. Like, it is incomprehensible that that was the total end of punishment that these men received. There was no court. There was no hearing. So basically, just to kind of fill in those blanks, the Cornell police, they presented, presented the evidence that they had received from the one statement that Jane Doe provided. And it seems as though some of the evidence that was presented to the DA was actually missing.
Starting point is 00:35:58 So this Snapchat photo that Jane Doe's lawyers says was given to the Cornell police was, it was never received by the DA. Now, the backlash to this has meant that the case has been reopened and the DA are actually doing their own private and internal investigation into what happened. And it also means that these seven men are all going to be. criminally trialed, presented with in front of a judge and a jury to decide whether or not there is enough evidence to convict them. I wanted to play something that Aaron Parnas has put on his social media. If you have, I mean, you might know who Aaron Pannis is. We interviewed him about the Epstein files a little while ago. Have a listen to this. Breaking news this morning, New York prosecutors have reopened a criminal investigation into the Cornell 7. This comes just two weeks after a Jane Doe student
Starting point is 00:36:41 filed a lawsuit against Cornell University and seven Kai-5 fraternity members. New York prosecutors overnight have announced that they are reopening the criminal investigation. They are going to be presenting all of the new evidence or this case again to the grand jury in central New York. But this only happens because of you, because of your advocacy, because of you sharing videos like this one. It shouldn't have had to take mass outrage across the internet for us to get back to this point. But we are now here and prosecutors are reopening the criminal investigation into these seven fraternity members. This case in itself is so horrific. It's no question as to why people became so enraged and so disgusted online. But the thing is, and I know, it's actually not the biggest part of the conversation that we're
Starting point is 00:37:25 going to have today because there's so many comments around like, why don't people report, when sexual assault happens, why is it so widely underreported? And when you see instances like this where a woman does report something and it is so mishandled, it's mishandled in a way that protects the university from any sort of negative press and they have tried to deal with it internally to avoid it becoming what it has become. I just think, like, it's no wonder when people don't feel as though they have all the evidence under the sun to prove something that's really hard to prove that they don't come forward and speak to police about it. There's so many layers to this. Firstly, what the fuck are they getting them to write about in an essay? Sorry, gang rape is bad.
Starting point is 00:38:05 Consent is important. What are they writing about? Secondly, if you look at all of the people that were in charge of handing out these repercussions, the puny. men's quote unquote. I don't even know what to call it because it's so pathetic. This is a group of men. They're just a group of older men and these are the men that come through the fraternity that end up in these positions of power. They're the CEOs. They're the professors. Exactly what they are cultivated in that university. It's like this closed cycle. They know what's going on. I know, but I think they do it as a as a way of minimization because they don't want, like, these are meant to be some of the most prestigious universities in America. They don't want the bad
Starting point is 00:38:42 publicity. And that's why, like, look, we need to be very careful with what we're saying because we don't want to say that one thing happened because at the moment, it's all on trial, it's all alleged. We're only talking about what is publicly available. But there seems to be three separate stories that are happening at the moment. That's Cornell Police's, that's Jane Doe and her own lawyer's statements. And then there's also the DA. Going back to what I said earlier, where the DA have come forward and said that the photo of this group chat, free pussy upstairs, was completely missing. Whereas Jane Doe's lawyers saying, well, we submitted that to Cornell Police. And Cornell Police are like, we don't know.
Starting point is 00:39:15 We didn't have it. It does feel as though that there was an agenda here. And I know, like I said, we have to be careful in saying that. But the real thing I wanted to discuss on this episode, very often we talk about online outrage and like the yelling and the screaming online, it's kind of like yelling into a void, right? Like often it has no real applicable change. You know, you see outrage online and then it kind of like, everyone gets angry and then they move on to the next thing that they're angry about. This is an instance where like mass outrage and mass disgust
Starting point is 00:39:44 has actually resulted in like real world changes. These men are going to be tried in front of a judge because of it. And the only reason why that's shifted is because people got so fucking angry. I mean, I think it's a really devastating but also a really interesting example as to how one person's outrage when that is multiplied by the many, how it can have like true impact. I do think it's and it's so true. And we do have some examples of some of the things that mass outrage and mass hysteria have brought action towards, which are things like the teacher's pet. You guys might remember there was the podcast.
Starting point is 00:40:16 We actually spoke about it a lot on the podcast here. The teacher's pet was basically a podcast that brought attention to the disappearance of Lynette Dawson, and it was unsolved. And because of the podcast and how much attention it brought that case, years later, her husband, Chris Dawson, was charged with her murder. That never would have happened if there wasn't so much attention brought by the public. This happens all the time. Unfortunately, this kind of a case is not a one-off.
Starting point is 00:40:42 But I think this has so many layers. It's not just that she was gang raped. It's not just that there was no punishment. It's not just that people in charge, men in charge were told and gave them a slap on the wrist. It's also because the fact that this message went out to the whole fraternity Snapchat and not one person put their hand up and thought, oh, hang on. maybe we shouldn't be gang raping a woman that is unconscious in a whole fraternity snapshot. So it's not just a close group of one or two people.
Starting point is 00:41:16 I think that when you combine that with everything else, everyone in the public is just like what the actual fuck is going on in this world? Like this isn't one bad egg. It's not three bad eggs. This is a whole system that we do not know how to get out of. Well, it's systemic and it's cultural, right? But also on top of that, I think it's a really fair point to make. You might receive something and know it's bad.
Starting point is 00:41:37 know it's wrong. Like, I'm sure that there were men in that fraternity that received that message and were like, fuck, I don't want to bar of that. But the fact that they didn't have the balls to stand up to the men who were doing it, that they didn't have the agency or the ability to turn around and go, guys, this is wrong. Like, there's not one person that goes against the pack. Yeah, you're complicit. You're complicit. But that's the difference with this is that the public outrage hasn't just been for the seven men. The public outrage is now for the bystanders who are not doing anything. And I think that is where the public outrage. is so important because now, yes, there are men out there who go, we know that's bad.
Starting point is 00:42:14 Now I'm sorry, that's not good enough. If you're not saying anything, you're part of the problem. And the public outrage is brought to this point where we are so angry. Finally, there is a repercussion for not sticking with us. There is a repercussion now for not saying something. I guess my worry is, and like as women, we've all been screaming about this for ages. This is not new. Like we're, you know, this case as horrific as it is, women have been screaming about men being
Starting point is 00:42:41 bystanders to bad behavior for forever. Does it shift anything? Like, does this now change? Will individuals see this and go, wow, I remember what happened there. I remember how everyone reacted to the people who did absolutely fuck or nothing. Am I going to do something? Like, does it incite change? And I mean, only time can tell that.
Starting point is 00:43:01 Ironically, and I think very sadly, it might, but purely because of fear. So those men, there is a really interesting guy on Instagram at the moment. And he actually used to write for South Park. His name is Word Clown. And what he's done is he's making a website with the names, the faces, the jobs. Not just of the seven. He's gone and said any of the professors that allowed it to happen, any of the university staff that ignored it, people in the group chat, he's going, I don't care,
Starting point is 00:43:28 you're going to be held accountable. You let this happen to this woman. You're not hiding. I'm making you a website. And I think men who maybe previously stood back and went, well, I'm not going to say anything, and I didn't do anything, so I'm not in the wrong, now have, oh, shit, will there be a repercussion? Oh, maybe I should be fearful. Oh, maybe I should be doing something.
Starting point is 00:43:46 And it's so upsetting because it's like us getting hurt, abused, assaulted. It's not enough. Their fear of getting in trouble will be enough. But maybe it also needs to legally change. I mean, maybe that's a part of the conversation. Maybe there needs to be like actual legal reform. Like if you know full well that something horrific is happening and you do nothing about it, are you not culpable in some way.
Starting point is 00:44:08 I think there are, though. I don't know the American law system, but you can be helped. If you know someone's murdered somebody and you know your accessory. There are laws around this. But I do think and I do hope this insights enough change because enough people are talking about it. I hope they're going home to their sons and their husbands and their brothers. You know, I had this conversation with Ben. I'm like, can you?
Starting point is 00:44:28 I was just so fucking outrage. I'm like, can you believe? Not that it happened. I believe that it happened, unfortunately, because women experience this every day. We always have been. But the fact that there were so many men that knew it was happening and, okay, sure, maybe you're in a situation where the guy's like, I don't feel safe to go and stop that because there might be these people that murdered me.
Starting point is 00:44:47 And that's not this situation, right? But maybe go to the police. Call somebody. Do something. You don't just go back and be like, well, that's pretty fucked. And then open your textbook and play on. Do you think it is a byproduct of a lack of understanding around consent? And I'm not saying this is a get out of jail free card at all. And I really want to make that clear.
Starting point is 00:45:05 But I mean like this idea of like if they're not cognizant that she's being drugged and that she's incapacitated, if they think that it is someone who is like willingly wanting to have a gang bang. Like, because that also does happen, right? There are people who want to have open sex. And there's no shame on that. Do you think that that being like, hey, free pussy upstairs could have been interpreted as like, oh, there's a girl that's fully up for it. Like free pussy upstairs come and line up. You can come in and whip your cock out.
Starting point is 00:45:30 You know, you know, or get some fucking balls and ask. I guess like I ask this because obviously that is the question that's going to be posed, right? And like at the moment, we're saying like fucking burn them all. And I think that they should be. But at the same time, it's like criminally, is that going to stand up in court? If that was actually a law that came into play where people who stand by are culpable in the same way as the people who do it or to a lesser extent, would this example stand up in that system, I don't know if it would or not. I guess like it gives me a bit of peace and a bit of hope the fact that. there has been so much fucking anger. And there has been for years, but this feels so targeted,
Starting point is 00:46:05 feels so pointed. And so the DA could not ignore this. The DA couldn't go, yeah, I know we didn't investigate, but like the Cornell police did a pretty good job. They had to, and were pressured, to actually figure out what is justice in this instance. And we will know this. So what happened is is Jane Doe is actually suing, she's suing Cornell University for the way that it was handled. And that is how it has all come out. The story has really come public. On that as well, it was the, um, it was the Cornell newsletter, there was a group of people who wrote a public piece about it. Not the big world, not the police, not anything. A small, tiny university publication was like, you're not listening. We are. And that takes you to the question. Is public outrage the new appeal court for
Starting point is 00:46:47 survivors that the system has failed? I love the fact that we can have a really positive flow on effect from social media in this capacity, but I think it can be dangerous as well. Oh, of course. We have seen in the past, even off the top of my head, Lindsay Clancy's husband, like this recent trial, trial by social media can go very wrong. And I think even in the early days, it took off that Lindsay Clancy's husband was the person that actually did it. There were all these rumors, people were piling on him. And that's a whole other story. But that's just an example of when I think this mass hysteria and mass outrage can take on legs of its own without the proper evidence and due diligence. You know, it's interesting, Britt, because even you just saying that,
Starting point is 00:47:25 I know that there will be people listening to this who have followed the Lindsay Clancy case who still believe it, who believe it, and who will disagree with you and who will be angry that you have taken the side that you have taken. Hang on, I haven't taken anyone's side. I've taken the site of the judicial system. That's where we're at to in the court at the moment. Totally. And like we have a really, really fascinating interview that's coming this Friday, which is all
Starting point is 00:47:49 around the Lindsay Clancy case. Like we don't want to speak to it because it is not our place. And there are a lot of podcasts speaking on it who do not. have or know all of the details of this very, very intricate court case that's going on. But the woman that we're speaking to on Friday, she's a forensic psychiatrist, and she has been following the Lindsay Clancy case very closely, and it also has to do with postpartum psychosis. It's fascinating. Don't miss it. But I do think that I agree with you, there are there are so many instances where trial biased social media is such a negative thing. It can end in defamation.
Starting point is 00:48:19 It can end in people ending their lives. Well, people can get it wrong. Totally. But in this instance, like, yes, it is a fucking possibility. I'll say it, that these men will be found innocent. It is a possibility. It may not because they didn't do it. It may be because there's not enough evidence to convict them of doing it. That's two separate things, right? But at least the pressure from the public and the outrage from the public has been enough to make the DA stand up and fucking do something. And I guess what it makes me feel angry about and sad about is like, what about all the cases where there isn't virality? What about all of the times where women have come forward and there simply isn't enough interest-focused,
Starting point is 00:48:55 our attention on their case that the police or the judicial system doesn't have to do or doesn't work hard enough for them because the pressure isn't there. Of course. It happens all the time. It'll continue to happen. And like every single case deserves this level of attention. It's frustrating because for years we've been saying, hey, women have been screaming about it forever.
Starting point is 00:49:15 We can't do it on our own. As men stand up for us when you know something is going wrong, we've been screaming that for the last decade. And it's so fucking frustrating because now we finally get to the place where that could have been a prime example of men standing up and stopping something abhorrent, but they didn't. So it's like, cool, we've been screaming into the abyss for what? I do think that the reason, especially within Australia, like it comes at quite a scary time. Like, we've seen the articles about the Scots boys and the young girl. These are like 13 and 14 year old boys that have been accused
Starting point is 00:49:44 on trial now in Australia for raping a girl in a back alley in Bonne Junction. Like, it is horrifying. And that's also another boys private school. A boys private school. There is another school that has not being named. It's a public school. It's been named in New South Wales that's also been involved in a gang rape situation. This is happening within our schools, within our educational institutions. It is systemic and like it's one of the things that seems like incomprehensible. There is so much conversation now around consent. Consent is being taught in schools. Like we have Chanel Contos leading such an incredible movement around consent conversations and yet it is such an insidious culture that it is still happening. I spoke.
Starting point is 00:50:24 a little bit on my socials about the Scots Boys and that situation there. And I don't want to go into it because it is kind of like taking away from this main chat. But there was one statement that I wanted to read out. And it was from St Joseph's College Headmaster. His name's Michael Blake. And he runs an all-boys school. He had this to say about what happened with the Scots Boys. Gentlemen, here is the part I particularly want you to understand. For many women, this has not been a hard week. It is a sad, ongoing reality. The headlines will disappear. Social media will find something else to talk about, and for many of us, the discomfort we have felt this week will pass. But many women carry these fears, these experiences and these precautions, not for a week,
Starting point is 00:51:02 but for a lifetime. There will be moments in your life when being a good man will cost you something. It might cost you popularity. It might mean handing a phone back and saying delete it. It might cost you a friendship, because you were the one person in the group prepared to say no, this isn't right. That takes courage. I want every young woman who encounters a Joe boy to be safer because you were there. Not merely safe from you, but safer because of you. And I think that that is such a powerful statement to come from a man in leadership. If only the men who worked within Cornell University had that ethos behind them. Guys, that is it from us. Just a big reminder. We're very excited to be launching the Patreon on the subscription. So if it is for you and you do want that little bit of
Starting point is 00:51:44 extra. For less than a coffee or probably for the price of a coffee if you're in Sydney. I think if you're in a city, it's the price of a coffee, especially if you're like non-dairy. And if you like a bit of honey like I do, it's 50 cents extra for honey. Double shot soy. You're at the $6.99, babe. That's what I'm paying. Yeah. Sorry, I called you, babe. Ew. Anyway, the links from the show notes. Woo! Yeah, link is in show notes. Look will be on our stories. You can Google it as well. You can go to Patreon if you want it. You can download the app for Patreon or you can just do it from your browser. Either way, we really hope to see you there. And that will be live tomorrow. You guys know the drill.
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