Life Uncut - Unpacking The Epstein Files. Uncut with Aaron Parnas

Episode Date: February 19, 2026

The release of the Epstein files has been an incredibly confronting and disturbing time for everyone. The court filings, emails, photos, flight logs and other materials relating to Jeffrey Epstein’s criminal network have exposed so many people in power and most of the world are left wondering whether they will ever have to take accountability for what they’ve done.But they’re also overwhelming and it can be hard to distinguish what is internet theory and conspiracy from what is fact. A few weeks ago on the podcast, Britt’s recommendation was Aaron Parnas. He is a lawyer and a journalist and has amassed 5 million followers on tik tok, 3 million on instagram and  his substak, “The Parnas Perspective” is the top-ranked news newsletter on the site with more than 750,000 subscribers. His content intersects law, media and policy and he is known for his rapid response posting multiple times a day. He has become a go-to for Epstein file updates. Today we speak with Aaron about: How and why he became such a prominent voice in this space Who Jeffery Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell were and how they became connected with very powerful people Why we are only really hearing about the Epstein files now How Trump is connected to Epstein Could Trump possibly be prosecuted in the future? Whether we will ever see the other 3 million files The people being criminally investigated/fired from their jobs How Trump could pardon himself Unpacking conspiracy theories like pizza gate, jerky and the babies Jeffery’s connection to Russian intelligence and other agencies The inconsistencies around Epstein’s death You can find Aaron Parnas on Substack Instagram Tiktok Youtube  You can watch us on Youtube Find us on Instagram Join us on tiktok Or join the Facebook Discussion Group Hosted by Britt Hockley & Laura Byrne Produced by Keeshia Pettit Video Produced by Vanessa Beckford & Lachy Pugsley Tell your mum, tell your dad, tell your dog, tell your friend and share the love because WE LOVE LOVE! XxSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hi guys and welcome back to another episode of Life Uncut. I'm Brittany and I'm Laura and today might feel like a little bit of a different pace to what we usually do but if you've been following me for a while and you've been listening to the podcast you would have been hearing me speak about and seeing me post a lot more about the Epstein files and the Trump administration than I probably have ever posed. To be fair, it was one of your vibes recently, vibes and unsubscribes. And this kind of feels as though this interview that we're about to do, a bit of a manifestation almost.

Well, I mean, yeah, in a way, I've just become a little bit obsessed in a way with American politics. And a lot of you would think I'm not that political because I never really expressed that side of me. But I have been down a very deep, dark rabbit hole with the release of the Epstein files. and I did vibe a person slash social media page, Aaron Parnas. He's a lawyer and a journalist. He has 5 million followers on TikTok. I think 3 million on Instagram. His sub stack, the Parnas

perspective is basically just like a news outlet. And it's one of the, I think it is the biggest news media outlet on sub stack. Like it has 615,000 subscribers, but Aaron has become my go to for my information on, I guess, American politics, but also the Epstein files particularly. He is known for releasing, I don't know, he'll tell us 30, 40 posts a day, really quick snippets of what's happening. He's going through the Epstein files himself and I have found his content invaluable. So of course we slid into the DMs and asked if he would come on today to chat about what exactly is happening and break it down a little bit for the Australian audience, who I do think we are living in a bit of an echo chamber in Australia and we are not really seeing the

content that I am really thinking that we should be like people should be more across what is happening in America right now and around the world with the Epstein files and that is why Aaron is here today so thank you so much for joining us today thanks for having me I'm super excited for this conversation I'll be honest I feel and I know we spoke about it just a little bit then but there is a lot of information that's been coming out about the Epstein files but I do feel as though in Australia there's been a little bit of a patchy slash black hole in terms of the mainstream media coverage of it and as someone who hasn't been down the rabbit hole that Brit has been down and for a lot of people it almost feels as though it is so overwhelming in terms of how

much content there is to consume in order to get across it that I've kind of put it in a too hard basket even though I know it's something that is one horrifying and too fascinating at the same time. Before we get into really kind of timelining and unpacking it more, can you give us a little bit of, I guess, like a little bit of a story around like your background, how you got into this and what it was about creating this type of content online that really drawed you to it? Yeah, for sure. So I actually, I started, I was a lawyer. I wanted to practice law for the rest of my life. That was always the goal. But then in 2022, Russia invaded Ukraine and I had family in Kiev in the capital at the time Russia invaded. And I was watching what they were going through.

I had a six-year-old cousin literally sleeping under a mattress in a bathtub as bombs rained overhead. And here in America, I felt as though media coverage just wasn't doing that justice. It wasn't doing justice to my family on the ground. And so I would be hearing things from them. And I just pulled out my phone and just started to TikTok. And within a week of sharing my family's stories, and I guess they were my first firsthand source, they were telling me what was happening on the ground. I had a million followers interested in just learning about Ukraine in just one week. So you grew a million in a week? In a week. Yeah. I mean, it was a rapid exponential growth. And I did that consistently now for about six months of just Ukraine stuff,

20 times a day, posting what was happening in Ukraine, and then made the pivot to kind of more just current events, legal news, more world politics as well, while also talking about Ukraine when it's relevant. But at this point, we're what, almost four years into the war now. And so a lot of that news has unfortunately died down, but there's so much more things to cover. And so a year ago, I decided to leave the law, no longer do this full time. And kind of the rest is history now, just pumping out as much content as possible. When you are pumping out content, as you say, or you're posting 20 times a day, how do you ensure the content that you're putting out is valid? How do you do the reference checks for it or ensure that what information

isn't, I guess, like that you don't find yourself in a territory where you're saying things that may not end up stacking up to be completely true? Yeah, it's a good question. I mean, truthfully, most, if not all of my content is based on the firsthand source, right? So the president says something, I see what he says, I put it out. Doesn't mean everything he says is true. Oftentimes, most things he says isn't true. But the fact that he said it is true, right? I read a court order. I tell you what the court order says. So a lot of the reporting nowadays is based on firsthand sources. And whether or not the firsthand source is true or not, that's something we can analyze. But the fact that it exists isn't. And so it's actually,

I've been able to fact check pretty quickly most of the stuff I put out, especially as it relates to the Epstein files as well, because you're just going through the files, right? That's your firsthand source. And I mean, not that you don't have credibility already as a lawyer and a journalist, but just to give you even more credibility, were you somewhat of a child genius? You went to college at 14. Is that right? I did. I did. I started college when I was 14, went to law school when I was 18. Yeah. Wow. So you're like Rain Man. You're like the political Rain Man. I guess let's start from the start. Can you just give us an overview of who Jeffrey Epstein is, what he was accused of, and I guess Ghislaine Maxwell's association with him as well?

Jeffrey Epstein was a regular dude. I mean, an idiot, if you ask most people around him. He wasn't a smart guy. He wasn't someone who grew up with money or with wealth. He was just this kind of regular guy who fell into these wealthy and powerful circles way before the 90s. And I mean, the sex trafficking, the abuse began based on verified allegations in the early and mid 90s.

But Jeffrey Epstein before that was just a guy. Glenn Maxwell didn't meet Epstein until the 90s as well. And so she, too, was just she came from a wealthy family. She was kind of this British socialite in a way. But in the mid 90s, everything kind of came to a head when you had the first allegation against Epstein and Maxwell. It was Maria Farmer and Annie Farmer, her sister, the two sisters. They made their first ever allegation against Epstein and Maxwell that they were being abused

at a ranch in New Mexico and kind of the rest is history. So it's really, I mean, to this day, kind of mind boggles. It's mind boggling to me about how this unintellectual individual could get into these circles and kind of build this, I mean, sadistic empire. How long did it take from the first allegations to actually anything coming into fruition in terms of charges for Ed Jeffrey? Oh, years, years. So first allegation, notable allegation, 1996, the first criminal indictment against Epstein was mid 2000. So 10 plus years. Right. It was a long time. And in those 10 years, you had abuse after abuse after abuse.

There were over a thousand victims. So the FBI didn't take the first allegation seriously. And actually, funny enough, until last year when that allegation came out, that document came out, everyone, many in the FBI and those around wealthy and powerful people were saying that that allegation never actually existed. So they were trying to cover up the fact that Maria Farmer made that allegation in the first place. Until so many other women have come forward with their stories. Correct.

How is it said that Jeffrey Epstein made his money? Because you just said it, by all accounts, he was just a regular dude. He did not come from money. and then all of a sudden he has private islands, he has jets, he's running in circles that are only surrounded by other billionaires from all countries around the world. Where did that come from? It's not actually fully clear to this day. And to me, the best way I could describe Epstein is he's a mercenary, right? He kind of sold out to whoever the highest bidder was. There is evidence in the files that he had very close relationships with Russian intelligence,

for example. There's evidence in the files that he was managing money for some very wealthy people. So it came from a wide swath of people. And to this day, I don't think anyone knows exactly where he got all of his money from. Can you just bring us up to date for anyone who really doesn't know the full extent of it? What were the allegations and what was he charged for before his death? So he was actually charged twice. So in the mid 2000s, those are the first allegations that brought criminal charges.

Then in Florida, it was a number of survivors, children, young girls, and also women were accusing Epstein of sexually abusing them during what these, these massage incidences. And I can go into detail. I don't think it's worth going into too much detail in terms of how graphic they are, but essentially he would hire or ask young girls to perform massages on him. That was some like the big allegation and these massages, he would force them to do sexual acts. And then he would transport them across state lines. That's how you got to sex trafficking, right? That's kind of the overall scheme. But in the mid-2000s, he was facing investigation in Florida. There, the federal prosecutor let him off easy. There was an indictment, a criminal charge,

60 criminal charges he was facing. They only charged him and allowed him to plead guilty to solicitation of prostitution of a minor, one criminal charge. And in exchange for that, he got an 18-month prison sentence. Those 60 count criminal charges would have put him away for life. he got 18 months in prison but here's the kicker he only served 13 months and during those 13 months he was allowed out of jail six days a week for 12 hours a day to continue running his foundation and while he was supposed to be in jail he was abusing more girls right that was the first time and then it wasn't until 10 years later that federal prosecutors charged him with sex trafficking and actually threw him behind bars and then that's when he died but i mean you had

another 10 years of abuse because prosecutors let him off easy the first time. So what do you make of that? What is the assumption from the first time he was convicted? Is that the fact that the judicial system was in cahoots with him? Was there bribery? Like, what are we taking from that? Oh, I mean, I don't know whether there was bribery or cahoots, but what I do know is that there was some connection there, right? There had to be a reason why this federal prosecutor decided to let him off easy. And to this day, we don't know because it wasn't just him. There were co-conspirators as well. And as part of his deal, that first time around, they essentially signed an agreement saying, if you plead guilty to this one charge and go to jail

for 13 months, we're not going to go after your co-conspirators. We're not going to go after people like Ghislaine Maxwell. Now, they eventually did go after her in a different jurisdiction, But in Florida, they were not going to go after her. Tell us about Ghislaine and what her role is. I mean, she's still currently in prison. What does that look like for her? What was her charges that were laid against her and her direct involvement with Jeffrey? So the criminal charges that she faced specifically related to sex trafficking for minors, for

young girls across state lines to two of them, or I believe three of them to a ranch in New Mexico. there were allegations of sexual abuse in New York, in Florida, and in New Mexico, kind of those three. And essentially she was the facilitator behind it all, right? She was Jeffrey Epstein's number two. There were allegations in New Mexico that she participated in the sexual abuse as well and abused the young girls as well. So she was essentially charged with almost the exact same thing that Epstein was charged, just at a smaller scale because they didn't have evidence to charge for all of it. And she was sentenced to 20 years in federal prison. And she, I mean, she's in her

late 60s, early 70s. She's not getting out anytime soon. There's a lot. I don't, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I do want to get into some of those theories a bit later on. But for now, we're hearing everything about the files being released, even though all of this happened many, many years ago. Why is it so prevalent now? Why is everyone talking about the Epstein files now? What are the Epstein files? Yeah. I mean, because finally Congress grew a backbone here in the United States and forced the Department of Justice to release them. I mean, these files have been around for decades. And yet for the first time last year that Congress passed a bill that required the Justice Department to release the files. Before that, the Justice Department

was kind of saying, screw you, we're not going to give you anything. The files, they're six million documents. We, the public has seen only about three to three and a half million. So they're still withholding about three million documents, but about six million documents. And they're everything from emails to photographs, to videos, to recordings. I mean, everything, anything you can imagine. It's just a giant, giant pile of documents that were compiled in the prosecution of Epstein and later Maxwell. And these are everything from, like you just said, photos and statements from victims and allegations. But they've also combed through basically every person that has ever had any kind of communication with Epstein, any email. So

people that are named in the Epstein files doesn't necessarily mean they have done anything wrong it just means that in some capacity they have had a connection Donald Trump has been named more than Jesus has been named in the bible more than Harry Potter has been named in the Harry Potter series I've been seeing all these memes yeah yes and I think that is the thing that is feeling I am assuming in America as well but here and for us it's feeling so many people with so much rage because from the outside it looks like how is the president so ingrained and so entwined in these files, yet we are not, as the public, having full access, even though there's the Trump Transparency Act, the Epstein Transparency Act, where they're supposed to have released all the

files. How can the president be named so aggressively in these files, and yet nobody is talking about it? No one is investigating him? It's a good question. I mean, when you look at the world, right, France has opened up a criminal investigation, Poland, criminal investigation, lithuania uk i mean countries across the globe have launched criminal investigations as a result of these files the united states the doj is just not doing anything and maybe you can look to the fact that the person in charge of releasing the epstein files the deputy attorney general trump's personal lawyer in the criminal cases before becoming deputy attorney no todd blanch her like number two okay so what is the i mean just going back a little bit this idea that the

DOJ had such power to keep it hidden for so long until their hand was forced, what would be the reasons of which they would keep it classified for so long, especially when they'd been such a public push? And also, as part of his campaign trail, he was the one saying that it was going to be released. So what was the benefit of it being hidden for so long? Well, there are some reasons, right? I mean, number one, you don't want to release any information that details victims or survivors their pictures right but despite that they released all of that anyway okay so that was number one that's the excuse number one number two a reason you wouldn't want to release the files is because you're going to get a lot of people who are just named there and all of a

sudden they're part of the Epstein files even if they didn't do anything wrong for example Beyonce is named in the Epstein files why because Jeffrey Epstein discussed buying tickets to Beyonce but she is officially in the Epstein files and so you get a lot of people who have no connection to Epstein, caught up in all of this, could potentially be misconstrued, embarrassed, etc. That's number two. Number three, you wouldn't release these files if there was an ongoing criminal investigation related to the files. You don't want someone who you're going to potentially prosecute one day and throw in jail to know what you have on them. And so that was kind of up until recently, the excuse from the Department of Justice was, well, we're still

prosecuting people, we're still investigating people. But not anymore. They said they're done with that so now they kind of had to release the files and then just this morning as of recording the doj has come out and said you know what we're actually not going to release the last three million files we've changed our mind in trump's words it's time to move on can they and we don't really understand your legal system to that extent has that for them for the doj to say that does that order have to have come from Trump no who controls the DOJ Pam Bondi does and and you know in a normal world you have a DOJ that is separate from the White House in this world they're kind of the same unfortunately now in this case I think what it's not like an order from Trump saying

you're done it's more of like Pam Bondi went through the files all six million sorry I know Well, when I say Pam Bondi, I mean, the people. Yeah, we didn't go through the files. And they probably saw something in those two and a half million documents that they're not releasing that they may hurt the president or may hurt some other people around the White House. Okay. And they're keeping those private. And they say, you know what, we're done. And there's nothing you can do about it. There's really not much Congress can do about it. Because who's going to prosecute the DOJ? DOJ. Why would they do that? But does President Trump have the power to tell the DOJ to release it?

If he wanted to, he could say, yes, we're releasing the last $3 million because that's the million-dollar question here. I mean, does he have the power? He can say that, of course, and they can listen to him, but it would be a violation of the law. But then again, what's the remedy? I don't know. Like, what happens next?

I don't know. If Donald Trump isn't president in the next election, which, you know, if the law is followed the way in which it's supposed to, he can't be. Yeah, he won't be. Could the next president overrule this and ask for the remainder of the files to be released? Is that something that could happen in due process? Because it seems so unjust that for so long people have been asking for visibility and transparency on this.

I mean, we'll get into the conversation around the redactions and everything else, but, you know, they're like, here, we've done what you've asked. Here it is. You can't read three quarters of it because half it's been redacted. And then to turn around and say, oh, actually, we've decided to not release the rest of them. I mean, it is such an obvious injustice, and then it feels as though nothing can be done in this. Well, something can be done. A future president can release them. In the United States, there's no statute of limitations for sex trafficking. So even if sex trafficking happened in the early

90s, they can still be prosecuted until 2030 if they're alive. So no statute of limitations. You can still go after these people. I don't expect them to go after these people four years from now. Now, to me, unfortunately, and a lot of people will agree with me on this, is that the Epstein Files turned into a really political issue for a lot of people. And so people use these survivors as political footballs to kind of get their agenda across the finish line in the press, in Congress, et cetera. And so, and it happens. I mean, it happens in both political parties, unfortunately.

And so the Epstein Files are a story today, but will they be a story three years from now? Probably not, just based on how the news cycle is. I mean, she's so frustrating. Right. I mean, like Trump breathes and the news cycle changes. And so it's going to change. And ultimately the survivors are going to be left without justice.

That, that is the truth. It just, it's sad. Well, I mean, it's, it was a complete failure on the DOJ when they did release the files, the 3 million that they have released, because as much as they said, they're going to protect the victims. It appears intentionally to be the opposite. They have redacted some of the, who are evidently very powerful people in horrific accusations and emails, and they've released the details of the survivors.

Now they've obviously said that was not intentional and they can't possibly be able to go through and see everything. But what is the feeling over there in relation to having these powerful people, people that have written emails, like enjoying torture videos and really openly talking about underage children and their names are redacted why is the doj protecting intentionally protecting those people well if i if i had the answer to that i'd be a lot like a much bigger deal i'd be in the doj i don't have an answer for that i don't know but i will say this some names are coming out the torture video name it was written by sultan bin uh sulyam or oh that's he's a sultan in dubai

big guy in Dubai a CEO right CEO he's resigned from the CEO so there is some accountability coming right like you have these wealthy and powerful people connected to Epstein resigning being fired from jobs in Europe they're being criminally investigated so there is some accountability I will say that the survivors feel betrayed I mean just from a basic level right just to show how incompetent the release was you are not allowed not just under the Epstein Files Transparency Act, but under any law in the United States of America or really anywhere across the globe, you're not allowed to release pictures, child pornography, pictures of people under the age of 18 nude. Yet they did that, right? I remember going through the files two days after

they were released and I saw a picture of a naked child. That is a crime. It is a crime by the DOJ to release that. It is then a crime for me to have that on my computer too, because now I'm technically in possession of child pornography. That is how incompetent the DOJ was. And then how did, I mean, I guess the thing is, it's like this closed circuit, right? Like who's going to investigate that? The DOJ? Yep. Sorry, we're incompetent. Made a mistake. I guess we, you know, it just seems like, I know that they're the governing body that's supposed to be the people who are the ones that enact the rules around this. But when the incompetency is from top down, there's no repercussions for it, unfortunately. None at all.

For Trump to be investigated, does that have to come from the DOJ? Yes. I mean, there are two options. Number one, DOJ, of course. But number two is you could have a court appoint a special prosecutor. But that's not going to happen in this case. That's a much that's a much more difficult process. And even then, Trump can pardon himself.

Well, this is so wild American politics, how it works and how like the protections that are put in place. But just on that, and this is where it starts to become even more infuriating, obviously, we understand there are protections around when you are a sitting president that you have a lot of legal protections and you can just essentially pardon yourself for anything. But surely there is a line and surely the line is involvement in sex trafficking of underage children and some of the other horrific, abhorrent accusations and allegations that are coming against Trump and other people in his power. There has to be a line, and child rape has to be it. Well, I mean, I agree with you, but on a fundamental legal level, there isn't a line. The president, for everything he does in office, absolute immunity. He theoretically can pardon himself for any federal crime, including sex trafficking.

He could do that. Now, I don't know if it'll hold up, a self-pardon that's never been discussed in U.S. history, But with this Supreme Court in our country, of course it will. Gosh, it's so fascinating. Aaron, you mentioned before the Dubai CEO and how his details have come out. I mean, I'm interested in knowing, like, how did his details come out? Was that a redaction oversight? And have there been any other people whose, I guess, information, perpetrators, whose

information has become visible because of this? Well, I don't want to call him a perpetrator. I want to be very careful in saying that. He was someone very connected to Jeffrey Epstein. that's what i'll say i i there is no direct evidence that he engaged in sex trafficking of a minor sending a quote torture video we don't know what the torture what the video is right we just we have no idea what they're talking about i can glean and the we could we could off the record understand what it is but i'm not going to say that publicly as far as people connected

to epstein who have been a part of the fallout so the united kingdom's ambassador to the united states peter mendelsohn major fallout he's been fired he's under criminal investigation now in the UK. Andrew, formerly known as Prince Andrew, is under criminal investigation now, justifiably so. You have multiple French leaders under investigation in France. You have the Polish government has opened up an investigation into possible connections of Jeffrey Epstein feeding intelligence to the Russians. In the United States, you have a fallout, but it's on a much smaller scale for example tom pritzker who's a billionaire in the united states founder of hyatt hotels major hotel company uh he decided not to resign from his chairmanship today so they're like

they're resigning or they may not get the job or whatnot but no one is being criminally prosecuted in the united states well it's interesting that out of all the accusations over the last few decades there is only now one person charged in prison and that's a woman out of everyone every man that is named everyone yes they've opened investigations great in the last literally two weeks but there's only one person in prison for these crimes and it's a woman it's crazy isn't it what has it been like for you aaron because i mean these files are are public but the reality is they're so big and they're so immense that most people don't have the time ability or the capabilities to be able to actually process and read through them how much of them have you

managed to sift through yourself and are you sleeping yeah and in terms of I guess your own personal discoveries throughout these what have you what have you taken from this yeah I mean I've gone through tens of thousands myself but I the way I've gone through these files is more of a targeted way I'm not going document by document by document I'm doing targeted searches for names search terms, keywords, things like that to try to narrow it down. Because to go through 3 million files, it would take me a year. And I mean, longer, potentially, yeah. Yeah, longer, probably. I mean, I think my biggest takeaway in all of this is that there was, they could have stopped this, but they didn't. That's the biggest takeaway I have in all of this. The FBI had the opportunity

to stop this in 1996. They didn't. They had the opportunity to stop this in 2006. They didn't. And so because of the failures and the ineptitude of the United States Department of Justice during those years, you had him abuse over a thousand young girls and traffic many of them. And so that's the biggest takeaway. Do you think it is failures or incompetence or do you think it is a structure that's been based around so many powerful people being involved in it? So it's a compliance and hiding, I guess, the truth of what actually was going on. Yeah, I mean, that's certainly part of it i'm also a conspiracy theorist myself and like i sometimes i go through these files and like go down such rabbit holes i'm like how the hell did i ever get here i don't want to throw

out a conspiracy theory but i it's not just incompetence in my opinion though i mean there's so many britney's one who's down in the conspiracy if anyone's gonna get cancelled it's brick because she's the one who's peddling the conspiracy theories on the side of the podcast i'm not getting kids but i think they're fascinating um but no what i was gonna say is like we will put a disclaimer that a lot of the conversations that we're having we will say allegedly. I do want to talk a little bit about Donald Trump, Pam Bondi and accusations against Donald Trump.

A lot of people know that he's involved. So we've said that he's been named, you know, more than Jesus in the Bible. People know how ingrained he is. What are the allegations against him? And I know that Pam Bondi sat down and said there's never been anything, uh i guess factual or factual charges or anything worth investigating against trump but then just recently in the last day or two we found out that in fact there was a an fbi record from the day

before epstein was murdered that was i mean pretty damning against donald trump can you talk about that well so it's tough it's i mean all of this is very tough as it relates to trump there is no direct video or photograph of Donald Trump engaging in a crime. No. There are many tips that the FBI received over the years from young girls and women that Donald Trump raped them, sexually assaulted them, knew of the sexual assault, etc., etc. Here are some things we do know. What we do know is that the Palm Beach County Police Chief in South Florida, he testified and he told the FBI that Donald Trump called him after he arrested Epstein the first time in the mid-2000s and said, thank God you got him. He and Maxwell were evil. Everyone knew what they were

doing. Okay. Some said, okay, that's Donald Trump blowing the whistle and being the good guy. To me, no, that's Donald Trump waiting until after Jeffrey Epstein's arrested to tell the police chief what Jeffrey Epstein was up to. So presumably he knew. That's number one. As far as the allegation that came up in the past 24 hours what the significance of that was was there was a tip to the fbi that donald trump raped a child in the 80s that was a tip essentially at high level that tip was then investigated by the fbi an fbi agent called uh the person who put in the tip and had an interview and that was memorialized in what is called a 302 just a record kind of what you mentioned that was then put in the Epstein database the day before he died. It was put on

August 9th. Now, that tip and that interview, that's just part of it, right? You need a lot more evidence to be able to go after someone like Trump regarding that or go after anyone regardless of their status. What was significant about that tip is that the person, according to reporting, the person who gave that tip was so credible that she received a settlement from the Epstein estate. You don't get a settlement unless you have some credible allegations. Now, to me, from base level, those allegations were against Epstein, not Trump. She didn't get a settlement from Trump. She got a settlement from the Epstein estate. But Pam Bondi on Capitol Hill in front of Congress said, there is no evidence that Donald Trump did anything criminal. That FBI 302, that

interview, that is evidence. Whether or not it's credible, that's beyond me. But that is evidence. and she and to me she lied so she's lying under oath yes but then who's gonna go who's gonna prosecute the attorney general yeah we go back to the same place it must be so frustrating and what are some of the other i mean we hear a lot about some pretty horrific allegations i will say a few and i would love to know your take on are these just rumors that have snowballed around or is there any validity to them the things like murdering babies the things like eating babies you know we've heard people say that they would have parties where they would um you know sacrifice somebody unbelievable doesn't it does sound unbelievable but there's there just seems to

be so many things connecting it and where is there any kind of relevant or like i don't i don't know i guess like it's hard to believe that somebody is killing a child these people these billionaires and people in power and eating their intestines well i think the question is is is there anything that's come out in the files that can validate it no um not yet at least i'm not saying that it never happened but i haven't seen anything to validate that do we know where the ground zero these conspiracy theories have come from yeah i mean so i mean there are a lot of things in the files like code words that people are deducing to mean something like jerky is mentioned in the file several hundred times people online have said that means human flesh could also just mean jerky

right like you could also just make the literal sense of it there's also the pizza gate conspiracy theory that's been around for years it could also just literally mean that they were going to a pizza restaurant and not something more nefarious what is the pizza gate theory i'm not aware of that one so from a high level it's essentially that pedophiles were using like term pizza as a way to mask what they were actually doing understand and they would communicate and say like i'm going to a pizza restaurant or like for example andrew and he's actually caught up in part of this conspiracy the prince andrew was he said that in 2001 when one of the big allegations against him that he had a photograph with a survivor 17 year old survivor he said that when

that photograph was taken he was at a pizza restaurant understand he wasn't yeah he lied right okay so many billionaires cannot be writing emails to each other talking about jerky they don't like jerky that much well they don't but they don't that's not to say that it's not code for something but we may have misinterpreted what the code is for that's also an option of course but i'll go on record saying it's not jerky um aaron you mentioned something earlier and i do think i mean it also leans into this conspiracy theory but it is something that's being investigated jeffrey's links to potentially being a spy or giving intel from russia what is this part of the files that's being explored it's an interesting part um so there's a significant amount of

evidence that Jeffrey Epstein deeply wanted to get involved with Russian officials. He actively spoke with Russian officials. He spoke with those close to Vladimir Putin. There was some mention in the files that he may have even tried to meet with Putin. It's unclear whether that meeting ever occurred. And there is investigation now in Poland opened up into Epstein possibly passing along information associated with Polish government to the Russians. And so, I mean, it's all kind of weirdly connected, like in the UK, for example, the criminal investigation into Peter Mendelsohn that's opened is whether Mendelsohn gave Jeffrey Epstein essentially state secrets from the UK. And so where Jeffrey Epstein then sold those state secrets or who he gave them to, that's kind of the

next level in the investigation. And right now, at least there's a lot of evidence pointing to Russia and all of this, but there's no conclusive ties. But I mean, I've heard a lot about him being linked to Mossad as well. But are we assuming that his connection with Russia was because he was pro-Russia or are we assuming his connection to Russia was because he was in with Mossad and feeding information back? I mean, I don't know. So the whole Russia part was based on what I've seen in the emails, at least, and I'm just going back based off of what I like the evidence is that he was communicating with several Russian officials related to the president, related to Donald Trump. So like there was an email chain between him and I believe the guy's

name is Vitaly Churkin, where he's essentially advising the Russians on how to handle Donald Trump before he comes into office in 2016 or in 2017. So that was a weird connection to me. It's all about him being a mercenary, right? Selling out to the highest bidder, kind of like I said at the beginning, whether he was part of Mossad or not, I don't know. He definitely had close relationships with the former Israeli prime minister that's been scrutinized. But I wouldn't say he's part of the KGB either, for example. I just think that he sold out to whoever was the highest bidder. And the, I guess some of the things that make it more valid, if you could speak to it, is the connection through Jelaine Maxwell's father. That's part of it, but that's

something I truthfully, that's something I haven't fully explored just yet. There's a lot of talk about the fact that Jeffrey Epstein might not actually be dead. And there is some very interesting evidence. He's dead. Yeah. You think he's dead? I don't. Surely. There's no way. I went down a rabbit hole. There's no reason to keep him alive. I put it that way. Like either he's done it to himself or someone else has done it, but he's. Yeah. I'm confident he's dead. I'm not confident that he killed himself. Yes. Okay. That was going to be my next question. What leads you to thinking that? Well, I think there is new files that show that there are a lot of inconsistencies in the Justice Department and the Bureau of Prisons story the night of his death. Before they were

saying no one came up to his cell or near the cell the night of his death. Well, now we know there was actually someone dressed in orange walking by his cell that night, right? So that's number one. Number two, there are plenty of interviews with cellmates and others that Epstein essentially wasn't suicidal, right? Like it didn't make sense that he was suicidal at that point. He had just met with his lawyer, I believe, the morning of or the day before or something. In totality, there's just no clear-cut evidence that he did kill himself. I mean, that is the easiest explanation, but I don't know if it's the right one. Is it true that one of the guards came forward and made a statement that he saw a van that

wasn't scheduled pull up that night and that he believes he saw a wheelchair come out with him and it was almost like a swap of people? Or is that not factual? I don't think it was a guard. I think it was just someone else at the prison facility. And it may have been another inmate, but I have to go back. i don't think a guard made that statement also it's hard to know because when you get yourself into the weeds of like he said she said i saw this i saw that without any proof of validity

like anyone can say they saw anything that derails what happened and there's so much distrust around all of this like and i think the biggest thing and one of the biggest takeaways that i'm taking from this conversation is that so much has happened and so little can be done and that There are huge powers that be that make decisions. And the reality is, is those decisions can't necessarily be argued with, you know, and maybe the truth is never going to come out. What is this created in terms of like the political environment over there in terms of the people's respect or trust for the president currently?

Has it had an impact? Well, yeah, I mean, of course. I mean, I think the biggest impact in all of this is that it just completely decimated any little trust left that Americans had in government. I mean, like, even going back, as long as I can remember, no one trusts the government, right? Like, their conspiracy theories run wild. People, like, always say that it's the government's fault whenever horrific things happen. But something with this is just different in my, from what I've seen, people really just don't believe a single thing the government is saying anymore. when and it's drawn and it's gotten to the point where you can have the FBI director come out and make a statement about an ongoing murder investigation unrelated to Epstein just a regular murder investigation and the first instinct for most of America today will be like

well is he telling the truth not okay great he's telling the truth let's continue to see what happens but now it's wait are we sure from the beginning and that that that's concerning honestly It shouldn't be your first thought. Are you seeing a shift in support from within the Republicans? From some Republicans, not all. I mean, I think that the ones that have shifted in support are the ones who have been against kind of him and from the get go. So it's some, but not, I mean, most of them are pretty firmly with him still. What impact do you think? And I guess like when you say that there is now this high level of distrust, because the distrust has always been there. But I think another thing that's changed so much is our access to information from people

like you. I mean, social media, TikTok, the way in which we absorb the news now is so different to what it used to be 10, 15 years ago. What impact do you think that that's had on people's, I guess, the ways in which they're able to receive information and the information in which they're seeking out? I mean, it's forever changed the way they seek out information. they're no longer going to television or print to get the news. But I mean, I will say this, I think social media and like this new age of media has just given the ability to people who would never see news to see news, right? Most young people are not waiting and watching TV for the nightly newscast. They're scrolling TikTok, they're scrolling social media. And so

they're able to get access to news and information that they probably wouldn't have had five years ago 10 years ago it's also so hard though now to know any validity because ai is so good well that's yeah and you like you get stuck in it all the time like i you know i believed that a seagull was riding a scooter the other day so it's very easy to get sucked into these kind of things how do you suggest people do their research properly like properly and i've done the same thing with you even when i stumbled across you i was like how do i know this guy's real and i you know i did my own due diligence into that yeah you passed by double checking by double checking well thanks um i was like we're still not sure no i mean going to the source yourself i mean i

think that's a big part of it and i think if i'm reporting something someone else is going to report the same thing i mean like everyone reports like when fox news reports something cbs reports cnn reports it right like everyone reports on the same thing when the bbc reports on it we all report on it so go go double check go triple check go make sure go to the first-hand source and go make sure it's right and and oftentimes I mean there'll be times where I put out something before anyone else does and then people will question me and then it'll come out an hour later that I was right and I think over time you build that trust with your audience um people who have followed me from the beginning know that when I am wrong about something like I admit it and I'll tell you I'm

wrong um and I'll change it so do you have people that because you have done you have broken a lot of stories but do you have people in that have access to the white house conferences that are in there on the ground that are feeding you information? Like how are you getting it so quickly? Yes, I do. You're a spy. No comment. No, I'm not a spy. Um, no, I, I've, I've cultivated a lot of relationships over the past several years with folks in Congress, folks in the White House, folks in the Trump administration, folks in the justice department who I'm able to get information from. Do you think we will ever see the remaining 3 million files from the Epstein files? No. Do you think the Pam Bondi's and the Donald Trump's will ever be held to account?

No. Do you think Epstein was a spy? I think that you have to see what the files say. That was a very good diplomatic answer. Aaron, thank you so much for coming and being a part of the podcast. I mean, it really is fascinating. It feels futile in a lot of ways. It feels really, I think, disappointing because I think so many of us want to believe that justice will come and that there is retribution for people who have been you know for people who have suffered through this and to think that our government can stifle information that feels as though the public were entitled to know i do think that there is a sense especially i know obviously america has their own own take on it but you know i think here

it really does highlight the corruption that can happen within governments and so we appreciate you putting yourself into probably what is quite a controversial space and coming here and and yeah giving us the information that we don't have yeah this was so much fun thanks thank you guys so much i really loved it thank you so much i feel like i look at your um reels basically all day because you update it so frequently so it feels it feels really cool to be able to sit down and talk to you and ask you all the questions that i've wanted to so thank you for your time today we are going to link uh all of aaron's information we'll put his sub stack and his TikToks and his Instagram.

And if you guys want to go and find out more and maybe that's where you want to consume your news, we encourage you. So thank you so much, Aaron. Of course. Thanks for having me. And if this video, if this does well enough, I'll come to Australia.

Yeah, come on down. We'll have you anytime. We'd love that.