Life Uncut - When to walk away, talking divorce with Olivia Rogers

Episode Date: February 20, 2023

Hey Lifers, Today we jump in by discussing whether it's justified to be annoyed when people post about their wealth. Is it super cringey or should we check our hesitation towards it? Laura also got her wedding video back from the editors and it had a beautiful song all about falling in love...It just so happened to have lyrics about falling in love with a woman by the name of Matt's ex! Then we are joined by the wonderful Olivia Rogers!Olivia got married. Olivia decided that she wanted to separate from her husband after 8 months of marriage and the Australian media coined the term 'the micro marriage' in response. Here, Olivia talks about her shift in identity of being a wife to being single and how she faced the horrible backlash.She shares how she wished for the problems in their relationship to dissolve once they had made the commitment to be married. She also addresses her deep desire for wanting a baby and how in hindsight it had more to do with filling a void.Olivia was so vulnerable and honest in this chat.You can find her on instagram here: https://www.instagram.com/oliviamollyrogers/?hl=en Subscribe/follow the pod incase Laura accidentally publishes the episodes early again! For more follow us on TikTok and insta @lifeuncutpodcast and join the Facebook discussion group! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Life Uncut acknowledges the traditional custodians of country whose lands were never ceded. We pay our respects to their elders past and present. Always was, always will be Aboriginal land. This episode was recorded on Darug Wollongong land. Hi guys and welcome back to another episode of Life Uncut. I'm Laura. And I'm Brittany, and we have a huge episode for you today. We are speaking with Olivia Rogers. Now, Olivia, she was Miss Universe Australia.

She's an author. She's a speech pathologist. She's an overachiever. She's divine. She has also, though, been in the media quite a lot recently. And the reasons for that haven't been around her successes or the things that she has created for herself. Of course not, because that would be ridiculous.

She has been in the media because of her divorce. She was married for eight months and it was very polarizing the way in which the media spoke about the breakdown of her marriage. We wanted to talk to Olivia about redefining the breakup narrative and also about an article that came out last year which dubbed it the micro marriage and how she felt about seeing her own experience, her relationship being talked about in such a negative light. She also speaks about something pretty important and that is surrounding the want and desire to have a baby and how maybe that was a bit of a band-aid to try and fix the relationship well yeah not a literal band-aid like a baby band-aid but we hear it so much right

where people think that maybe a marriage will fix a broken relationship or having a baby might make the relationship better and the thing I loved about what Olivia spoke about is this idea that you might not even realize that you're doing it that they may be the reasons why you want something so bad until you're out of the relationship a very very honest raw and open chat. Now, we also speak about something that has made quite the stir on Instagram, and that is a post by Snezana and Sam Wood. Yes, I feel very strongly about that one. And then you, Laura, have a, I think it's funny, I don't know if I'm allowed to laugh, a ridiculously unfortunate story surrounding your wedding. Yeah, all that and more. Let's get into it. Holy dooly, it has

been a week. What a wild morning. And it's only Tuesday. It's nine. Well, it's Monday. I know, People listening to this are going to think it's Tuesday and then it's confusing for them. It is Monday morning, 9.30 in the morning when we're recording this. And I feel like so much has already happened. We've been in hysterics all morning. There's been boxes of vibrators and dildos and penis strokers floating around. We spoke about it on last week's episode, how no one ever sends us things. And then someone brought us a vibrator and we were really excited about it.

And now they're coming in hot. They're like hitting us in the head. They're flying in left, right and center. Literally everybody is sending us vibrators right now and we've had enough. Keisha's looking at me like we need more. No, Keisha's like one for you, one for me, one for me, one for me, one for you, one for me. Keisha's vibrator collection from being the producer of this show

is out of fucking control now. There is one that came in that was like addressed to Ben. It was like, Brittany, you can take this for Ben. I've never seen it before and I just want to ask you actually. I think I know the answer but it's like this little U shape. It's called a stroker and the penis, I think, lays in it like a little. Glides on it. Do you know what it looks like?

It would look like a hot dog. You know how you put your frankfurt into the hot dog bun. It's like a little bun hugger. It's a bun hugger. It's a frankfurt. Do you know what? I've got a bone to pick. Matty also has a cock.

A boner. He's got a penis too. Why didn't he get a cock ring? Why didn't only Ben get a cock ring? It's not a cock ring. It's a hot dog. But my question is, does Matt use that stuff? Because I don't feel like he would.

Maybe we could spice things up a little. Do you know what I'm picturing? I'm just picturing you laying in bed with a hot dog in your hand and he just has to go and put it in there. it's probably a good thing he didn't get sent one but yeah there's a lot guys there is so much to unpack something else that happened before we get into like the real nitty-gritty of the episode another life thing i wanted to tell you about brit last night i received our full length of our wedding video oh that's exciting yeah can i see it not yet okay so matt and i laying in bed

together we were like so excited with the hot dog with our hot dog I was just holding it for them he was just docked in a hot dog and I was like now's the time for us to romantically watch our wedding video together so we got given a short clip of it last week and I put it up on social media this week we received the long form version of it anyway the teaser the wedding teaser so we lay down in bed to watch the video together and it starts playing and it's like quite a beautiful song that starts playing and then all of a sudden in the song is the name of Matt's ex-girlfriend. What do you mean? I mean like it's a love song that has a name in it. So it's like, ex-name, I love you so much. Ex-name, I can't live without you. Ex-name, I knew that I...

So say it's Sally. It's like, Sally, I can't live without you. Literally. Sally, you're the one. Sally, my strong Sally. Oh, my God. So that's the background. That's the tracking music to your wedding video is his ex's name. It was like a cruel joke. It's like you're on camera. I thought I was being punked. So I don't want to say the ex whose name it was because that's just going to turn into a Daily Mail article. But there it is in this beautiful and it's a gorgeous video. It's so well, beautifully put together. We look so

happy and there's the backing track which was I will never love anyone like I love you surely it's a stitch up no I was gonna say surely that's like just an oversight you don't pay you're paying this it's not like it's just no yeah you're paying the videographer it has to have been the biggest oversight you're gonna have to show me obviously you're not gonna play it here but you're gonna have to show me okay here's my question though if you're a videographer and you're creating a wedding video for someone why would you choose a song that has a name of someone who's not in the video like why would you think that that's a good song to choose my name is Laura his name is Matt and here is a song about Sally and how much Matt loves Sally I am gonna have to hear it to

make an educated opinion can we take a small break I'm gonna watch it now okay oh my god oh my god yeah it is literally that okay firstly beautiful video you look very happy thank you you look like a supermodel i cannot believe this is a like just for you guys playing at home because laura's never going to play that because that would be wild it's literally like there's only one person in the world for me it's you sally like that's what it is and i can't wait to be with you forever and if there's no one else that i can ever hot dog with except you i don't want to give too much of the lyrics away because i also don't want people to go and google the song and then to be able to find it out so i'm gonna basically they're saying

like i'm never gonna fall in love again after falling in love with you like that's the lyrics the lyrics are like it's you like you're the only person i'm gonna fall in love with And then he married me. What it's saying is Laura is the prize at the carnival because I didn't get the good prize. Like I couldn't win the big teddy bear, which is you, so I'm going to take this little skunk. No, I went home with a Easter show bag instead.

No, they're expensive. They're pretty good. Yeah, and that's the one you pick, so that's fine, right? No, that is so funny. I hope you're not too upset, but it's definitely unintentional. I'm going to call it it's unintentional. Okay, I'm not upset. I'm not upset.

I definitely for a minute there. I've been cutting onions. I'm not upset. Guys, I am not upset. You know when someone's upset and they're trying to convince you everything's fine, I'm fine, everything is fine. But just stop talking to me because I'm on the verge. I was laying in bed next to Matt and I just looked at him and I was like,

did that just say what I think it said? And he looked at me and was like, yeah, I think it did. And I was like, well, this is fucking awkward, isn't it? Did you laugh though or were you just a bit like I'm actually upset? I haven't laughed yet but, I mean, I did now. That's nice. okay well while we're on the love train whether it is loving your exes or your current partner your current husband your wife we need to do a big congratulations a big shout out to our good

friend Rebel Wilson who just got engaged this morning yeah she kept that exclusive from us didn't she yeah she could have dropped it right she could have sent me I could have been there like no it was in Disneyland I don't know the details I haven't spoken to her I've left her a voice message but it's really sweet and it's funny because it was only 10 days ago now we did episode where we're talking about how quickly things are moving and how life can change so much. And then a week later it's changed again. It's so nice to say we love, love. That's the whole reason why we started this podcast and talk about our ex-boyfriends. But you know what, mostly because we love, love. All right. There's something else that's happened in the media world,

in the influencer world this week. And we wanted to talk about it because we had some polarizing feels about this one. And now let me say this first, we kind of had a bit of a fight over whether we should talk about this. Britt, you wanted to speak about, I like that I'm breadcrumbing what it is. Basically, it's Sam and Snezana have been in the news recently because Snezana posted a photo on Valentine's Day of their very expensive cars

and said him and her staying in tonight or something of that effect. I think the reason we decided to talk about this is for me, it made me quite angry. and what made me angry is not Snezana's post. It's not the fact that they're worth $70 million. Congratulations. That's amazing. What made me a bit upset and angry is the response from the media and from other people over the fact that they have made money and they are successful. Now, what we're talking about is on Valentine's Day, Snezana put a photo up of

some beautiful vehicles that she owns out the front of a beautiful house. It was a black Mercedes Benz G-Class. Very nice car. And a white Porsche. I thought it was a Cayenne, but apparently it's not that. It's something else and a word I will get wrong. I think it's a Porsche. Well, we don't know because we don't have them. I think it's like a Cayenne. Porsche Cayenne. Yep. Clearly we are well into the car game. Yeah. This morning, Laura was like, what's a Cayenne? I was like, a what? Something we will never own. Yeah. We're never going to own it. Okay. But just to give you like the information on that, like on the types of cars that they are. So the Mercedes Benz G-Class costs around $250,000, right? And then the Porsche costs around $340,000.

They're beautiful luxury cars. Totally. So the combined total of wealth in those two cars in that one photo was over $650,000. When you think about it, the average income of Australians is $90,000. So, you know, that's six years of someone's entire working ability tied up just in cars. So off the back of this photo of the luxury cars out the front of what looks like a really lovely house, they were receiving some hate and some backlash and negativity on the photos. There was a Daily Mail article about it because of course there was a Daily Mail article about it. But now I feel like it's going to just be this thing that's attached to them. We've spoken about it

before with Zoe Foster Blake, when a woman becomes very successful, all of a sudden everything is about what they're wearing, how much money they've got, what they're doing has nothing to do with that, right? The articles have nothing to do with that. But this article has come out after this photo. It's a photo. So Snezana just has a photo, a selfie in the mirror in the bathroom. There's nothing in the bathroom. Like it's just a clean bathroom and it's a photo of her. She just looks hot. And the headline is Sam Wood's wife Snezana uses $92 designer soap after sparking backlash for humble brag post about her luxury cars. And then later on in the article, they talk about how much the perfume is worth because all that's in this photo is the perfume and the soap. So they've

talked in the headline about how much the soap is. They've talked in the article about how much the perfume is. But the thing that really grinds my gears is that the headline in Big Bold Writing says, did you forget that you used to be a single mum? I'm pretty sure you don't ever forget your past and moments like that, especially if there have been times of struggling, which I'm making an assumption. I don't know Snezana well, but I'm assuming when you're a single mum, there's always going to be tough moments. I don't think that's something that you would forget. I guess one of the things that I have a real issue with is how the media, once a woman becomes successful and is in the category of having so much money that the wealth is almost unbelievable. I'm talking

in the millions and millions of dollars. The types of articles that are written are written in a way to characterize them as though they're bad people because they have a lot of money. Like look at them step out in their Gucci shoes. And then we like to kind of itemize the amount of money that someone has spent on clothing, which I think it tries to imply that that person is vacuous or that they're materialistic and it creates a persona. It creates a character around that person. Whereas Sam and Snezana have always been super relatable, super likable people. And I think that people have followed them from their bachelor journey where Snezana was a single mom. Sam was a guy who had a fitness thing, you know, that he was doing and they have evolved

into this immense wealth, both incredibly lovely people, both people who I think that their general followers have followed and feel like they can relate to because maybe they saw a bit of themselves in them or they saw their family as being aspirational. Now, I think that there's two parts of this conversation that's pretty interesting. One is the way that media like to latch onto something, i.e. money, and create that sort of characterization that I just mentioned. But also, I think the tides have changed with social media. People don't want to look at people's immense wealth. Like I saw the post because I know that it was Valentine's Day, I flicked past it. And for a second, I was kind of like, oh, wow, that's, I mean, I don't even

know what that car is. I don't know how to say the name, but that looks expensive. And I think the reason why it makes people forget their guard up about it. Some people, and I'm playing devil's advocate here. Increasingly, people don't want to see on Instagram things that make them feel bad. They want to see on Instagram things that they relate to. I know what you're going to say. It doesn't mean that we should be up in arms about it. What you should do is you should just unfollow and move on. But I do understand why there are some people who feel as though, and it comes from a place of not having, it comes from a place of jealousy, it comes from a place of tall poppy syndrome. But I understand why that post maybe missed the mark in this current climate.

I understand too, but I disagree with you when you say people don't want to see that wealth. I think the opposite. People are obsessed with people that live a life they can't imagine. That's why the Kardashians are the most followed people in the world. They're all billionaires. Three of the four are billionaires. We love to see how the other half live. But the problem with this is, Snezana and Sam's followers weren't those people.

But if Snezana and Sam are evolving, and they do want to start to post these kind of things and luxury things, that is so okay. All that means is their audience can change. What you mean is that their followers weren't following them for that content. They've isolated their followers because their followers are there for like the relatable family posts, not for the we're super wealthy posts.

Yes. They've got to tap into the Kardashian space. But I think that's okay. I think that this is what happens. You, at the end of the day, us as a consumer, we're in charge if you want to press that follow or that unfollow button. I don't like the fact that like people then feel the need to go and pile on and bombard and abuse and bully someone.

There is absolutely no need for it. And some of the comments that were on this post, like this is just she just posted a photo of her cars. at the end of the day some of the comments were you were a no one single mother that joined the bachelor tv show stay grounded someone else said can't stand shelf posts like this if i wanted posts like this i'd follow the kardashians geez money changes people someone else said good to see your husband's fortune now where's yours wow i just think and like there's a multitude of me off as a mom because i'm like the sacrifices she has made to raise their children has allowed for

that fortune. Do not get me started on that conversation. A lot of the fitness posts have been about back after pregnancy, getting the body back to a strength and fitness, which is Snezana as well. Totally. Snezana has actually been, when you think about it like that, she's the pinup of their brand. Like the entire 28 days as a concept has been, and I shouldn't say entire, a big part of the 28 days branding has evolved around Snezana's ability to have this incredible body after having babies. And I think that without her being like the flagship of the brand, it wouldn't have grown as immensely. She is so imperative to what 28 days is. So that makes me annoyed because I'm like, you can't extrapolate the two of them. Exactly. I don't think there's

one person out there, any of these people that are writing these bullying comments, any of them, I can guarantee you if they have made $70 million, they're going to buy a nice car as well. So my thing isn't so much about the individual comments, because I think on an individual basis, it comes from a place of hurt it like I said it comes from a place of tall poppy syndrome the issue I have is how the media perpetuates it and encourages it it's very very steeped in misogyny because we never ever see articles that say hey look at this man and the expensive suit he's wearing and the expensive car that Carl Sandilands drives a Rolls Royce and you never see the things that he owns itemized out you never see it done to a man you only see it done to the

likes of incredibly successful women like Zoe Foster Blake and Snezana. Exactly. Which is why I have steam coming out of my brain right now. I think with this whole situation and the reason why it has blown up in the way that it has, ultimately people don't want to feel like they're being looked down on on social media. They don't want to feel like they're having somebody else's success pushed into their face or flaunted into their face, especially when the reason why you have followed someone is because of their relatability. Am I saying that they shouldn't post these things? Absolutely not. They can live their life and do whatever they want to. And I don't think that they did anything wrong whatsoever. But do I think that maybe it was a

mismatch in what the expectations of their followers have? Absolutely. I think that that post was to the wrong audience. And I think you have to, when you have a social media following, you have to know your audience. You have to cater to the people who have loved and supported you for so long because they're part of your brand, they're part of your business, they're part of what has made you get to the point that you're at. Well, I guess then the question is? Like nobody's posting a photo of a trailer

and a Tarago next to each other and being like him and her staying in tonight. But then do you not ever evolve and change just because you had an audience from 10 years ago? That's my question. It is not relatable, but that's also okay. Well, enough about that. Enough about the cars we probably never will have.

Enough about Australia's Kardashians. Good on them, I say. i want to talk about an accidentally unfiltered that has something to do with tony may oh yeah it's your brain are you like what have i done www.tonymay.com.au just launched a bridal collection go and have a look well it's funny you say bridal collection oh shit what's happened how do you have an accidentally unfiltered about this somebody just followed it and then here it is boston a friend of mine let's call her beth has been in a lot of sally beth a friend of mine let's call her beth has been in a long-term relationship for years a few

months ago her partner was in a car accident he was completely fine but there was an accident and he had to get a replacement car now he had purchased a tony may engagement ring to propose with and he decided to store it in the car so that she would never find it yes a bold decision i know what you're thinking oh no he kept in there for the two weeks that he had the car and then the day came that he had to return the hire vehicle. Now, I don't know why this guy's putting in the hire vehicle. Let's not jump on this bandwagon because I'm sure he's feeling it now. He put an engagement ring in a hire car. Now, he is a typical tradie and had rubbish everywhere. He was in such a rush, so he quickly grabbed everything and just threw it all in the bin. Oh, my God.

Little did he know he had thrown out the engagement ring too. By the time he realized it was too late, Like the ring was so far gone, he ended up telling Beth that he was going to propose a month later and then he accidentally threw it out. They still aren't engaged. Oh my God. All she responded with in this moment, she looked at him blankly and said, you are the reason we don't own a house.

He literally is. What do I do in that instance? If someone emails me and says, hey, I'm sorry, I threw my engagement ring in the bin, like do I give them a discount for a second one? I don't know, but what you're doing now is probably setting yourself up to give a lot of discounts because a lot of emails are going to come in being like, I left it in a car. So my thing here is right.

Like the first thing my brain gravitates to is I wouldn't be telling Beth that story until I had actually proposed. So I would have sourced a ring somehow, proposed and then said, want to know a funny story? You don't rub it in their face and said, guess what almost happened, but now it's not. Well, I mean, he probably has to save up to buy another one, which could be bloody years. Yeah, but how much worse is it to say you almost got engaged, FYI, but not yet? I think I'd just expect him to propose, but without a ring. Get a burger ring.

Just propose to me. You can get really nice rings. I thought you were about to say you can get really nice burger rings. You can. I love a burger ring. All right, let's get into the chat with Olivia. Joining us on the podcast today is former Miss Universe Australia, author of Find Your Light.

And just in case that's not enough, she's also a speech pathologist, Olivia Rogers. Welcome to Life Uncut. Thanks, girls. I'm so excited to be on as a fan of the podcast. Olivia, you are a bit of a woman of the moment at the moment, aren't you? Like, I don't think there's one morning that I wake up at the crack of dawn, roll over in bed, open the Daily Mail, and I do not see an article on you. What a way to start the day.

Yeah, I know. Yeah, there's been a bit going on the past few months. you have been so successful. You authored your book last year, but something that has been making headlines and something we've spoken about quite a bit on the podcast is the fact that recently you had to come out publicly to say that you walked away from your marriage after eight months of being married. Now we want to get into that conversation because for us, and in terms of we talk about relationships so much on this podcast, but one of the things we really wanted to talk about was reclaiming your identity post a breakup and it's something that you

have done with incredible grace in the public eye and sexiness and sexiness as you do but just truly something that you should be so proud of before we get into unpacking what has been happening in your life over the past year there is something that we do with all of our guests and I know that you're very familiar with it since you do listen to the podcast it's accidentally unfiltered uh so bare your soul Liv what is the most embarrassing thing that has ever happened to you I love that you just said before we get into unpacking your grace let's unpack your yeah just like from the lows and then we can build it back up oh see I had a conversation with my sister yesterday because I was thinking about what to tell you guys and it's not to say there's not

embarrassing moments in my life there's so many but I feel like when you someone asks you directly it's like I don't I don't know like I have like a mental blank so I said my sister of all people will happily share many many tidbits from my life and I messaged her to say hey do you have any embarrassing moments for me and she's like about you you've come to me for this I was like yeah she's like I've literally been waiting my whole life for this moment so she she's like it's my time to shine should I phone in oh there were so many things that I think I'd squashed down and they all just came out I was like Jesus I've opened a can of worms here she just didn't stop they just kept coming so they vary there's you know little embarrassing moments and then there's

like a big embarrassing moment and I know that you guys love the big embarrassing moments yeah we really do don't suddenly kind of like breadcrumb us and tease us with the little things you got to go for gold oh it's pretty embarrassing but okay we're gonna do it this will be a daily mail article you just wait so my sister and I both got invited to a formal so this is many years ago I was in year 11 she was in year 12 we had a few drinks which was naughty obviously underage drinking I do not recommend it but that's what we were doing we had a really fun night we were the last to leave the after party the DJ dropped us home and it was the middle of winter and I went to bed with trackies on a jumper on a really big dressing gown socks like so many clothes because I was

freezing did you just say the DJ dropped you home sorry the DJ dropped us home I know we just scooted over that piece of information I was like oh yeah and then I thought why did the DJ drop you home I don't know because my sister and I were stayers like we didn't want to leave he was like guys I'm wrapping up like let's go he's like carrying his equipment out and he's like ma'am you need to leave but anyway we had a fun night is my point so yeah went to bed with all these clothes on I woke up in the morning in my bed with the dressing gown on my jumper still on my socks still on but my pants were off and I was like DJ dropped us home he did not come in this is not what I'm getting at yeah so I'm like what is going on here why are my pants off I look at the end of

the like side of my bed and my pants and my undies are neatly on the floor just like I'd taken them off and stepped out of them and felt around and the side of my bed was wet you've wet the bed oh my god I think sort of slept walked I suppose because I obviously stood up took my pants down sat on the side of my bed it felt like a toilet in the middle of the night did a little wee and then lay back down and went to sleep at least you stood up for it I wonder like when when people do this this is my question when you're like sleepwalking and you wee like in a drawer or on your bed or wherever it is is there not a moment when you're asleep and you're like where's the toilet paper like what are you using I can't answer that question Laura no I

think if you're wetting yourself you don't think where's the toilet paper like if you're weeing the bed you're not like oh where is my wet wipe I mean you would think that but you've had enough consciousness to get up to walk away to pull your pants out like you've done all the steps surely you do a wipe yeah but I obviously missed a few steps because I didn't pull my pants back up she didn't step anywhere and then I was so embarrassed and I was like I cannot tell my mom this like she's gonna disown me so she came past my room and I'm cleaning up she's like what are you doing and I was like oh I think we had a Jack Russell called Buster I was like so weird I think she saw straight through that line and now she'll listen to Life Uncut and she'll know the

truth my sister in the message was like I remember that you thought it was a dog I was like no I always knew it wasn't the dog I just do you know I have never hand on heart I have never wet the bed I mean besides when I was like you know a kid you're a better person than both living yeah not from being drunk but just as an adult i had a dream that i was in this yeah no i had a dream that i was in a pool which is even worse because who pisses in a pool and doesn't get out of the pool but i had a burn apparently i had a dream that i was floating around in a pool i was not drunk i was not hungover and then i woke up as an adult just wetting the bed i was like this is wild yeah well you've made me feel better i appreciate that

that's what we're here for. That's exactly what this episode's for. And Brit, if it ever changes, let us know. Yeah, Brit, fuck you. It happens. It happens. Well, Liv, we are talking, like I said, about identity today. And I mean, you have been so many things throughout your life. You were Miss Australia. You have been a speech pathologist. Jeez, I need one as well. I was about to say, she might be able to help you out at the end. You have been an author. For you in terms of identity, like how has each of these transitions been in your life? It's been interesting. I love that you guys are talking about this because it's such a difficult thing to pinpoint for a lot of people, what your identity is. And I think we

feel a lot of pressure to, to have one and to stick with it. But for me, and I think for you girls as well, like it changes over the years so much and you sort of get attached to one sort of identity but then it's so transient and I think when you when you want to do a whole lot of different things it can be so many things at once as well I felt very weird about becoming Miss Universe when my goal was to be a speech pathologist and so much of my identity growing up was to do with my academics and my brain and then suddenly I was put into this position where it didn't have so much to do with that I mean I think Miss Universe does like they care a lot about your personality and you know the messages you want to share but it is a lot to do with how you look and

so I'd gone from having this strong identity of being a speech pathologist and feeling like when I told people that they respected me to then being Miss Universe and you know becoming an influencer and people have this instant judgment that's very different to when you say you have a degree or a career in something that people respect more. Do you feel like you needed to start with your sentences with like yes I am Miss Universe Australia but I'm also a speech pathologist like did you have to tack that on yeah as in like yeah as if you were going to gain more respect from that but how did you if that was the case and you're just so deep in your studies how did you find yourself competing for Miss Universe Australia? Well I'd actually finished my degree

at that point I had been practicing as a speech pathologist for about a year and I was about to move from Adelaide to Melbourne and I got scouted to do Miss Universe and that sounds like such a big thing but I think you know they scout girls every year via Instagram email in person it happens a lot but I yeah at first I said no because I'd had kind of a bad experience with modeling and that sort of thing I'd ended up with an eating disorder and I was just coming out of that you know I felt like I was sort of finally becoming more comfortable with myself and I thought putting myself out there like that probably wasn't a great idea so initially I said no and then they were quite persistent and so I ended up doing it I didn't think anything was going to come

of it and I was I sort of went in with this idea that if they told me to do something I didn't want to do or it wasn't what I wanted it to be then I would just pull the pin and end it so anyway long story short I moved to Melbourne but I got through as a state finalist for South Australia and then I went to the national final and ended up winning and I did not expect to win at all like you could see from the footage they cut some out because the first thing I said when I won was what the fuck I was looking at one of them like we're taking that back you are not a lady this is not ladylike bring the swear jar out oh my god they were like no like stop saying that I was looking at one of the judges because I was just so surprised and so shook and I was just so convinced

that that was not how that night was going to play out and I was okay with that like I had a really good experience I met all these girls from across Australia but the way that I saw my life going was very much that I would continue to live in Melbourne but be a speech pathologist and maybe do a bit of like modelling and stuff on the side I had a small Instagram following at that point like I maybe 10,000 followers or something so I never saw that as a pathway either it was just something fun to do Miss Universe. And yeah, it ended up that night really changed my life. Well, speaking of how it changed your life, you are someone who does have a huge following on social media and part of that following, and I guess part of the kind of the curse and also the

joy of being an influence on social media is that you share so much of your personal life. You share so much of the highlight reel of your life, which is also why I guess in your case, your relationship was really public but then that also then means that the breakdown of a relationship becomes public even if you don't want it to be even if you don't put it on social media it's almost like because people are invested in the good times they feel like they have a right to know the bad times as well can you tell us a little bit about the last year and a half your relationship and I guess more so like what this last eight months has been like for you yeah so it's funny timing that we're recording today because yesterday would have been a year since I got married how does that feel Liv

I was about to say like a happy anniversary I don't know if you can say that even though you know the situation I feel like it's a it's a funny day yeah it's been hard like it's been very very hard in many ways and the public interest and scrutiny is probably the hardest part because you know it is such a private thing but people expect so much of you from you when you put yourself out there and people said you know you were so public with your relationship so why won't you be public with your breakup but when you really look back at it I actually wasn't that public about my relationship like yes he was on my socials but I wasn't every day saying this is where we're at this is what we're doing we had a fight last night we you know

I wasn't sharing all the ins and outs and and that would be weird if I did and it would be weird if anyone did I don't think anybody does that like yes you see glimpses of people's relationships on socials but you never truly know what's going on and I think part of it was like my wedding was very public and I get that and I think that's why people expected more from me when it came to the relationship breakdown but it's all well and good for me to share what I want to share but at the end of the day relationships two people and whatever I'm sharing about my ex you know he hasn't said okay to that and and he wasn't in the public eye so it's not really fair to take two people through that kind of thing when it's just one of you that's put yourself in that position

I think it's very different if both people are in the public eye in a similar way that's a really good point yeah but even then I think like it's not it's no one's business and you share what you want to share and and you have to be also ready to share it so like I'm excited to have this conversation with you guys today I feel like the dust has settled a little and I'm I can maybe say more than I have previously but even still I think I've always got to be careful well I mean so much of it comes down to processing because I think that for anybody when something is happening you know with any breakup you know we don't know the specifics around your breakup but there can be feelings of anger or betrayal or frustration or those feelings are so big and they're so

raw when they very first happen and it's almost like you need to get through those initial feelings to really understand how you actually feel and if you say things in the moment of anger then they're out there for the whole world to see and then once the dust does settle and your feelings do settle you're like well I don't feel as angry as I did and I wish that I had maybe phrased that differently absolutely yeah and once it's out there you can't take it back especially when people are hanging on to every word you say and wanting to make an article out of everything yeah my dad had always said to me don't write a message in anger yeah and I think that's on a bigger scale when you are in the public eye can we go back a bit I mean and speaking about when

things were great for the two of you what was your wedding like what was your wedding day like because that is something that you've shared a little bit of on social media since. But for you now reflecting back, how was your wedding? My wedding was fun. It was a really good day, but I would say it wasn't a good day because of him. It was a good day despite him. That's probably going to sound a little harsh, but we weren't actually in a good place when we got married, which also is probably going to be interesting for people to hear because it looked like such a happy day. I genuinely was happy on the day because I was surrounded by all of my favorite people and I had put so much time and effort and money and, you know, everything

into this day being the best day that it could be. And it was beautiful weather. Everything was going to plan. There was no drama. So all of those things were good, but I found it really challenging to write my vows because we had in the lead up to the wedding, hadn't been in a good place. Was there a part of you that thought on that day or leading up to the day that maybe you shouldn't do it but you get caught up in this snowball effect of well we've been together and we've planned it and everyone expects it and it's happening and we'll work through whatever it is or was there a part of you that's like I just really shouldn't be doing this? Both. I yeah I had had my doubts along the way. I think COVID made it hard because we postponed a couple of

times because of COVID and in a way I thought this gives us more time to sort our stuff out so that we're you know in a good spot before the wedding but there were times along the way where mum and I had had conversations and she was like you know you don't need to do this but I also kind of felt like I made my bed and I had to lie in it and you know there was so much interest around the wedding and then I sort of lent into that and I think it is easy to get caught up in it all in planning it all. And then it did, it felt like I had too much to lose. Like it felt like too much to pull away from if I was to change my mind or cancel the day. And I also knew that the public interest in that would be enormous. And then I wasn't sure if, you know, if I was going to cancel

the wedding, if down the track I would change my mind and we would still get married. I felt like that was also a massive call to make. So I kind of just forced all those feelings down and just was like okay no I'm doing this I've made my mind up and I'm gonna stick it out and was there big issues in the relationship or was it a communication issue yeah I think I with the day that I split up with my ex I called my sister or the day that I was sort of I suppose making the decision I called my sister and my sister said for one she's like god if you're calling me then you must be serious about this because she's always going to give me a very honest opinion you know we discussed a lot of things and I said I feel like an idiot because we haven't been married for very long and she said

you're not an idiot you're an optimist and you know you've been trying at this for almost five years it's not just the period of the marriage and yeah there were a lot of big issues so I think too like someone said to me you know obviously relation all relationships have problems but I think the difference is when you have a good healthy relationship if something comes up you can work on it as a team discuss it you might argue but then you're going to try and get through that but when it's the same things that keep coming up over and over and over again you're like flogging a dead horse and there's only so many times you can do that and I had I felt like I just didn't have anything left to give I think socially there's this perspective that when a

marriage ends early on that it's a failure you know like how can you only be married for eight months that there's this perception of like would then maybe you didn't try hard enough or you shouldn't have gotten married in the first place but I genuinely think and I remember when we read this article around micro marriages it was like they'd coined a term like it was a new trend how angry it made me feel for you especially because I think it takes an incredible amount of courage to walk away from a short-lived marriage because a part of you would be thinking well what if I try harder what if I stay longer what are people going to think of this being such a short period of time do you think for yourself that the fact that it was eight months made it

harder to leave or were you like I cannot invest any more time in this relationship yeah a bit of both I I called my dad the same day that I called my sister I had all these you know heavy conversations and I guess I wanted to make sure that everyone was going to be on my team when I made the call but I literally up until that day had been doing fertility treatment so it was on the same day that I decided like I need to cancel this treatment and I need to end this relationship and I said to my dad the exact words I said were do you think I should wait until it's been a year just so that it's been a year and he said don't be ridiculous like how are you feeling in the marriage and I said I'm miserable and he said that's not a way to live and he said you know

the thing with a short marriage is that people, people know that you don't just change your mind and people know that there must be something really wrong if you have to end it after that amount of time. We said that as friends in a discussion to each other off air, off camera, we just said, you don't get married for fun and then walk away for no reason. Something has happened in their relationship and it's really no one's business, but it's even a discussion between friends. And there's a part of us that sort of is like, I hate we're talking about it because it's another woman going through something but it was more of a in defense of you saying people don't just get up and be like oh well I'm done like yeah if you're doing that you've tried

but also on that Brit as well like that was the thing that I think is so important because you know for one Liv we're so grateful for you sharing this because we know how incredibly personal it is and also that it's you know one of the first times you've spoken about this in detail in public but it is so empowering to people who are in relationships that are not healthy, that they don't feel like they can leave. There was a lot of feedback online from people saying, oh, you know, she just wanted the big marriage or she just wanted the attention of a marriage or something along those lines, or got too caught up in the idea of a marriage. That's not the case. But I do think that there's something to say about thinking that a marriage is going to

be a solution in a way. It's like, I thought all of these issues that we had, I'm like, he's made this commitment to me and he's going to make this commitment to me on that day so surely from that day onwards things will improve and I think in most and I can't speak for everyone but I would say that there's a probably a common denominator within short marriages that whatever you hope is going to change once you say I do when it doesn't you're like okay it was just a big day it was not like this momentous thing that was going to suddenly like heal everything how do you when you go through a breakup like this because this isn't just you know a typical breakdown of a relationship this is you know you were thinking that you were on track for trying for a baby

you had everything in place you'd bought a new house together all the things that tick all those big life boxes of where you think your life is going how do you deal with the identity whiplash with thinking everything is heading in one direction and then making that huge decision that life is going to go in a very, very different direction. I would say that's probably been the hardest part because yeah, I think my identity was wrapped up in being a wife, then also wanting to be a mom. And we were trying for probably about 10 months, maybe a little bit longer. We'd been doing fertility treatment, like I said, up until that day that I made the decision. And I was so set on the idea of being a mom, you know, behind closed doors. Cause I hadn't actually shared,

I'd shared that I wanted to have children but I hadn't shared what we were going through at that time because it was so raw and difficult it was a big part of my identity behind closed doors and I was sort of preparing myself for that yet next stage of my life and I've always wanted to be a mum and I'm sure one day that'll happen I think I just sort of came to the realization that I would be better doing it on my own and maybe I will I don't know but yeah I think that was the hardest thing like because on that day I made the call I said to my sister I don't know what to do about this fertility treatment and she said well how would you feel if you found out tomorrow that you were pregnant and I said I would be terrified and she said well there's your answer so I was

grieving that probably the most when that week that I made the decision yeah there were days where I couldn't get out of bed because I was just so upset I think the thing I want to say is because again people have said and I've seen commentary around how can you go so suddenly from wanting to be pregnant with someone to then breaking up but in hindsight and I've spoken to my psych a lot about this. I think the reasons that I wanted a baby was similar to how I thought that the marriage was maybe going to make things better, which is so bad because I know, and like I said before, I've wanted kids for my whole life, but I've never up until this point or that point when we were still together, been so desperate to have a baby. And I can see it really clearly now

that I was trying to fill an emotional void, I think, by having a baby. I think again, I thought, okay well if the marriage hasn't changed things then maybe it'll be me being pregnant that will change it or something like that but you know I know now I think and I'm so grateful I think I'm really blessed that I didn't fall pregnant because you know adding a baby into the mix would make things so much more complicated you think that those big moments those big public moments as well will give you that sort of security yeah because it's like it's like them saying okay I am choosing you and you sort of think it's going to then counteract all the other stuff, but it doesn't work like that. Well, especially when it's been so many years of, even though you're in a

relationship together, so many years of being wanted to be chosen, like, you know, the, them choosing the nights out or choosing the partying or choosing to be unfaithful, whatever it is that they're choosing over you. It's like, you have been so conditioned for so long to want to be chosen and it's like finally you are being chosen and being proposed to that you think well surely this is a sign that things are only going to get better from here but going back to something that you shared recently Liv and we both just thought it was so powerful and fucking awesome of you we were like get it girl yes you rewrite that narrative you shared your wedding video yeah and it was a very little edit it was a very special edit of your wedding video and what you wrote on

Instagram was I recently received my wedding video and it was hard to watch with everything that's happened I asked for them to do an edit that only included my family my friends and me so now I can remember the happiest parts of that day with the people that I love the most in the world here is a glimpse of 90 seconds of the Olivia edit what did that mean to you to put together your video of your day of just the people that you love it was so boss oh thank you I think oh god it caused more of a stir than I'd intended it was fucking great it was a great stir it's just because people haven't seen it before and also because people expect you to be miserable they don't expect you to be almost powerful in that moment you know to reclaim this idea of a breakup

is something that we don't see very often oh thank you I it's funny because I obviously I mentioned I see a psych I I was seeing him weekly for a period during the breakup which was amazing he's been such a great support to me. And he'd said to me, you need to stop distracting yourself because I'm sure anyone who follows me may have noticed I was very, very busy. And I think I figured out in maybe the first 13 weeks or something that I'd only spent something like six nights on my own because my friends and family had just been so amazing. And I'd go and stay with friends in Adelaide or my, my sister, my mom, or they would come and visit here. My best friend, Paul was over all the time. And like, I would have a night where I was like, Oh, I'm just going to cook dinner for

myself. And then I would have enough food for two. I'm like, do you want to come over? And I think it was a subconscious thing. I don't think I was intentionally trying to not be alone. Anyway, long story short, my psych said, spend some more time on your own. And I was like, okay, I'm going to do that. So tonight this was back in December. So I'm going to be by myself. I'm going to cook myself dinner I'm going to watch some tv and then I got a an email at 9 15 p.m saying hey Olivia here's your wedding video and people think it's far out and of course I watched it oh I mean of course yeah oh that was a weird moment I in that moment was like I don't actually know how I'm going to feel about this they had told me that they'd stopped editing the video

back in September because they didn't really know if we were going to still want it. But then she contacted me in November and said, do you still want this? And I said, well, I mean, there were so many good moments on that day and my dad spoke so beautifully and my maid of honour spoke so beautifully and I had so many special people there.

And I know these videographers are amazing. So I was like, well, yeah, I kind of want to see it still. Well, also, like, I would be like, I'm sorry, but I look hot as fuck. I am never looking this good again. My makeup is done. My dress is on point. My hair is on point. Like, I want to immortalize that.

I would want that video of myself as well. It's good to know. So, yeah, I had said, please do still send it to me. I just wasn't expecting to get it on that night when I was by myself. But anyway, I watched it and I sent a photo to a few friends and I was like, oh, God, look what I just received. and then they were panicking calling me like are you okay I got emotional but the things that made me emotional weren't the moments of my ex and I they were the moments of my dad saying his speech

and my maid of honor speaking and and saying all these beautiful things and how happy everyone looked and that made me sad because I'm like well what do I do with this video now just get rid of it and never show anyone and it feels like such a waste so straight away I emailed back and I said thanks for the video hard to watch I'm wondering if I can pay you to do a version that just doesn't have my eggs in it you know to keep for myself and she responded straight away and was like that's a great idea don't worry about paying me we'll do it we'll just do it for you like she's so nice so so nice and they're so talented so yeah she said do you have any preferences of music and I said probably just something that's not romantic would be good. And then, yeah, she sent it to me on

Christmas Eve. So I don't know, people were funny about the timing and everything. The reason I posted it on Boxing Day was because I got it on Christmas Eve and I didn't share it for any other reason than I think it's a happy video. And yeah, like you said, I guess I kind of did want to rewrite the narrative and have something that I can look back on and feel good about because it doesn't remind me of our relationship it just reminds me of the amazing friends and family that I have in my life and I'm so lucky to have those people around me I hope it does empower other women to do the same thing because it's it was empowering and it's special like I'm glad I have the whole Olivia edit is four minutes long so I still have yeah some great memories from that

day it's just a an edited version you know Olivia we touched on this a little bit earlier this idea that society has around relationship breakdowns being a failure how do you see the breakdown of your marriage how do you view it for yourself I don't see it as a failure it's a big lesson I I've learned a lot about myself I think the thing about having a toxic relationship is that it forces you to look at things about yourself about the other person but also about yourself And there was a while there where I was convinced that every issue that we had was my fault. So I did a lot of work on myself. And the best part about that is then coming out on the other side, I am in a really good

spot. Like I feel like I'm the most secure. I think this comes with age as well. But yeah, more secure and comfortable in my own skin. And I feel like I'm getting to know myself more now being on my own. And it's been really powerful. so I don't see it as a failure I see it as a very big lesson and I feel like all relationships are you know obviously every relationship I've had until this point could be seen as a failure

because they didn't work out but that's such a depressing way to look at things I think all of my exes have taught me something sometimes you have to like look a little bit deeper to see what they've taught you totally but yeah I think all of those situations teach you something and make you learn more about yourself and more about what you will and won't put up with and I think I plan on taking those lessons into future relationships and and hopefully it means that I'll be able to see red flags easier next time. Does the idea now when you say that a future relationship does that scare you or do you feel excited by the fact that now that you've learned a bit more about what you want and who you are and what your boundaries are are you excited to

to dip your toes back in? Uh not yet I feel like no I'm so traumatized. It's a scary world out it oh it's so scary I'm going through phases I feel like I had a period where I was like oh my god so repulsed by men in general and thankfully that's calmed down I have been on a couple of dates with some really lovely guys and it didn't lead anywhere but it just reminded me that there are good guys out there and they're not they're not all going to be the same but yeah I I feel like I need a solid amount of time on my own and I'm enjoying being on my own and to be honest I I think it's the first time because I am in a good spot mentally and I do feel secure, it's the first time after a breakup

that I haven't been desperate to find the next person, which is a cool place to be because I don't know, I don't think I've realised, it's only with hindsight that I can see it now, that I was a serial monogamist and I, you know, went from boyfriend to boyfriend. So I think I often just ended up with someone that was convenient rather than someone that I was like, you are the best person that I know. and that's what I want now. I don't want to be with anyone unless they make my life better

and yeah so I'm pretty happy on my own for now. Well Liv you wrote a book and it is called Find Your Light. Now for somebody who's written a book all about self-love and courage and confidence we know how easy it is to give advice and how hard it can sometimes be to take your own advice. You know that whole like practice what you preach situation. Did you find the fact that you have written a lot about self-love, the fact that this is a topic that is of true interest to you, that you know the tools, did you almost feel more pressure to kind of live up to your own teachings when it comes to your relationships? Or were you sometimes like, fuck, I know the right thing to do, but my heart doesn't want to do that. So I'm going to do this. And, you know,

I just think that sometimes it's, it's so hard to practice what we preach. Yeah, I definitely agree with that. It's tricky because my book was a lot to do with my eating disorder and my relationship with my body and food which I think I when I look back on when I wrote it I was genuinely feeling good about that and I still am I'm in a good place with my recovery and that's okay so I don't feel differently about that part of the book but there were parts in the book that I wrote about my ex and and I do think even in the moment I felt like they weren't quite right but yeah I did feel pressure to sort of I mean you're not going to spill out all of your dirty laundry into something that is permanent like that. I would like to do an edited version.

You go to the publishers, you're like, look, I edited my wedding video. I would also like to edit my book. For the second print copy, can we please change all these paragraphs and just do a delete? Yeah. There's a lot that I've learned in the past. You know, I think going through something big and stressful teaches you a lot in a in a quick period and I do feel like over the last six months I've learned a lot about myself and a lot that I would like to share but but again yeah it's tricky it's it's hard to sort of I don't know walk the line between how much to share as someone who has a public profile and someone who I like to be open like I genuinely like to share my life with people but now having just constant criticism or just constant commentary on on

everything I do yeah it's a hard spot to be in there's there's a lot more that I would like to share and and we'll see like over the years because I I feel like there's so much that I experience that could help other women and generally when I'm sharing something vulnerable that is my intention is not to hurt anybody in my life it's only ever to to help other people and and I think that's how we all learn and grow is from other people sharing their stories so so yeah I don't know if I answered your question either that was a real tangent there's a real theme with uh our listeners and I think just with women in general it's around surviving a breakup and and how do you do it we get so many questions about

how do you pull yourself out of bed how do you get back on track how do you become the person you want to be what are some of the things that you went through and experienced and some of the things that helped you get back on track because right now you are absolutely I don't know how you are on the inside but on the outside you're absolutely beaming like you seem like you've gotten yourself to a really beautiful place what are your tools or what would you tell someone right now that's laying in bed being like I don't know where the light at the end of the tunnel is it's probably just you've got to feel it like you have to go through those really yucky moments and days and you know sometimes it takes people more than more days than others to to

get out of bed but you do need to sort of process those feelings because if you just want to go out and party or distract yourself it's not going to help like you're going to have to deal with those emotions at some point anyway so trying to deal with them head-on getting as much support as you can whether that's with a professional or with your friends and family or both I definitely lent on both a lot like I said I was seeing my psych weekly at the start and I was on the phone to friends and family constantly and if that's what you've got to do that's what you've got to do it's hard to give advice for people who maybe don't have such a strong support network I'm very lucky that I do and if you don't then professionals you know it might be a psych or it might be a

counsellor there's online resources just so many things out there that you you can find if you're looking for it so just try to look for it listening to podcasts about people going through similar things I know that that really helps because I think when you're living something like that you feel like it's just you and you feel really alone. So finding other people going through a similar thing, but also just little self-care things. Like I had a period there where I just did not feel like eating. I didn't feel like exercising. My heart rate was through the roof. So I found it hard to exercise. I couldn't watch TV because I was just too in my head. I couldn't even listen to podcasts and I love podcasts, but so finding things that work for you. So for a while I couldn't

run because my heart rate was too high. So I would just walk, couldn't listen to podcasts. So I would just listened to like breakup music oh like Adele and the first thing that came to mind as well just Adele yeah she was great but also like the the really empowering ones like you know Lizzo and Beyonce and yeah all the girls Tay Tay Taylor Swift she was great I love Taylor she got me through it was funny actually when when all of this came out someone screenshot my my recently played on Spotify and that was in all the articles and I was like oh my god but you know what like give a girl a break but that's what you do you go through a breakup and you need to listen to stuff that just either you know sometimes you need to listen to stuff that like makes you cry

because it's part of the process you need to listen to stuff that makes you be like yeah that fuck you like that's my fuck you song like we all had that was Selena Gomez back in 2017 but like you need that stuff and I think like yeah you know it's it's part of the healing process and I think anybody who's like haha look like you know they're going through or they're listening to this like of course you are because you are in the public light you're always going to have people that have comments or try and make you feel shameful for the way that you're going about your life but I think it's really empowering how you speak about it and how you are vulnerable and how you're open to sharing because I just know so many people going through shitty breakups will

listen to this and will be like okay somebody as like seemingly perfect as you are from the outset is still going through these really tough times I didn't mind a bit of skrillex you know like a bit of like a couple of days and then I had a couple of like relax days but I think that's the other thing too I shared a video on TikTok that was it was a joke but people thought I was serious but they usually do it was one of those ones where it's playing like upbeat music and it's like when you're going through a divorce and you know some days you're like this and you're like loving life on your own and then next minute you're like feeling all the feelings that was me at the start I haven't felt like that in a while but I think knowing that it is a wave and you've got to ride

the wave and some days you will feel amazing and you're like yeah I'm an independent woman and I can buy myself flowers and I feel good and then the next day you're like what is my life and what have I done and it's scary like it's it is scary for sure but I think you've got to lean into the positive moments and and write them down I think like journaling is also amazing I found it hard to journal when I was feeling really low because I was like I don't actually want this stuff to come out but my psych was like that's when you're supposed to do it so okay so doing your homework but yeah I think knowing that time does really heal and I know it's such a cliche but it's true and surrounding yourself with good people doing the things that bring you joy and knowing that

you don't have to do anything for anybody else is quite empowering so cooking whatever food you want to cook and I don't know watching whatever you want to watch like I'm loving just watching just girly things that, you know, just for me. I wish I could remember who taught me this and where I, where I heard it from, because I definitely, this is not mine. I heard it from someone else, but it really resonated with me. And that's this idea of when you're making a big decision, a life decision, should I leave my husband of eight months? You know, there's this idea of thinking to ourselves, I don't want to start again. I can't start again. I don't want to go back to scratch. I failed all this negativity, but redefining that thought process of

I get to start again I get to recreate what I want I get to take these lessons that I've learned and go out into the future I get to have new experiences and it's it's literally a reshaping of your mind and the perspective instead of looking at it like it's the worst thing to ever happen to you and how you're ever going to survive it it's a joyous moment in a way because you've you've told yourself there are all these opportunities out there now that I never would have touched and I get the chance to go and do that now absolutely and I think when you go into things with that mindset then good things are going to come your way like I've definitely felt that I think since everything happened it's opened so many new doors for me that weren't even there

before and I do feel like I'm very open-minded now and very open to things that are coming my way and saying yes to a lot of things and yeah I feel really grateful for that so yeah I think going into it feeling that way or trying to feel that way because even if you're not there yet trying to trick yourself into feeling positive, it helps. And yeah, knowing that you are grateful, you get to meet new different people and try different things and travel. And that's kind of the rule that I've made for myself this year is to do all of the things that I probably wouldn't have done if I had stayed on the path that I was previously on. Liv, do you feel like you have any regrets at all? I wish that I didn't because I think it's bad to have regrets. I think I regret not listening

to my gut sooner and yeah I wish it hadn't taken me quite as long as it took me to put myself first but I think I don't completely regret it because I think in a way I had to get to that point on my own and I had to go through everything that I went through to figure it all out so so maybe I don't regret anything I think sometimes you can regret what you have to go through but the end lessons are something that you know it just means that eventually when you do enter into your next relationship, the standard for which you'll accept for yourself is so much higher. Yeah, this next person has to be bloody amazing.

Oh, I have no doubt that they will be. Time for our suck and our sweet. Brittany, what is your – you had a great weekend. You were in Port Macquarie. Oh, so wholesome. I had the – Oh, so wholesome. There was like family barbecues, new babies.

It was my nana was there. It was amazing. little babies my brother how was bear yeah my brother had right bear i'm just gonna call him right now i met him for the first time he's i don't know i should know two weeks 10 days you should know let's round it to two weeks newborn oh he's so cute but he didn't do anything like his eyes i think i only saw an eyeball once britney sent me a photo and it was just this tiny little like nugget of human flesh with vomit all over it and i was like cute i do love a newborn child you were classic mom I sent you a photo I was like oh my god here he is it was me

holding him and he did have vomit all over his him and me and that was all you commented on I was like he's also cute but there's vomit everywhere it's the first thing you see someone clean this baby so my suck this week is I just before I was coming back from Port Macquarie literally I was supposed to be from Port to Sydney and I got a huge screw in my tire so I couldn't anyway I called around to a mechanic and he fit me in irrelevant but I wasn't gonna be able to drive so that just was a really annoying my suite was meeting bear for the first time and i went to the royal national park in sydney which i haven't i mean it's on my list right for so long to go back and i haven't been there in like 10 years and i finally went back there on sunday and it was

incredible sunday afternoon i was like i'm gonna go down meet a friend have a dip it was incredible it was like i was in another world the north one or this i don't know there's one and there's one Oh, it's like past Cronulla. Oh, yes, yes. It's beautiful. Insane. If anyone is Sydney people or you're visiting, it is just divine. So I reckon they're my sucks, they're my sweets.

Did you go jump off the jump rock that's there? The wedding cake rock? No, that's the dangerous one. No, no, there's like a little pond area, a little jump. Anyone who's from Cronulla is going to know what I'm talking about and anybody else from anywhere else in Australia is going to be like, what the fuck are they speaking about? No, we went to this private beach.

It was super private. Oh, God, stop. I know. It was so nice. Luxie, did you go there in your Porsche? My cayenne pepper? I definitely did not have a Porsche. All right, my suck for the week.

My suck for the week was probably my wedding video, to be honest. Like that wasn't great. That's so funny to me. Yeah, I'm glad. But now because we can laugh together. Yeah, are we though? I'm not there yet. I would say I know that it's a repetitive content

and I should have come up with something else, but I'm going to stick with it. My suck is probably that my wedding video had Matt's ex-girlfriend's name in it over the top of my happy face. Yeah, it just really hit me somewhere where I didn't expect to be hit. and then oh your sweet's getting the hot dog and my sweet is not the hot dog my sweet is is that it was Lola's birthday she's two I don't know how it happened I don't know how she's two but she is and she's just the happiest funniest little chunk of a human we had a birthday party for her on the

weekend it made me really realize just how much things go down in your level of expectation your level of effort your level of everything just goes down with the second child oh yeah because like this is the first birthday party that Lola's ever had because it's been COVID and so you're like she's two but it was meant to be like a real big one and I was like oh get the cake from Woolies oh get the decorations from Kmart I reckon we spent about 70 bucks and had the best time yeah but the old smarties on a Woolies cake is underrated totally nostalgia I say that because it's like my cake every year do you know what I actually had this argument with Matt I would say it's more effort because I bought a really expensive cake for Marley's first birthday

cost me $250. All I did was send an email. I had to decorate that little fucker. I had to stand there and pick out all the pink Smarties. And you have to make sure it's even. Pick out all the blue Smarties. I had to go to Woolies and buy the $10 cake. The effort that that took me, good savings.

Unsurpassed. In today's economy, very important. But yeah, the cake cost me about $13. And it got devoured. Coles and Woolies mud cakes, underrated. No, it was the rainbow cake from Woolies. Highly recommend if you go to a kid's party. That's my recommendation for Thursday's episode.

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