Life Uncut - Who Owns a Story? From Beckham to Britney

Episode Date: October 22, 2023

Hey Lifers! We're home from the Melbourne show and it was LIIIIIT!We were so lucky to have had a surprise interview with Tones and I where she shared some stories about her life that have never been shared publicly before.Today we take a deep dive on who owns a story?Firstly we unpack the re-exposure of Rebecca Loos, the woman who, 20 years ago, had an 'alleged' affair with David Beckham. She has spoken out since the release of the Beckham bio pic on Netflix about David's lack of accountability, playing the victim and having herself thrown back into the spotlight when she doesn't want to be. Secondly, on topic of who owns a story, we dissect Britney Spear's memoir and the details that were released as publicity for the book. She disclosed that Justin Timberlake claimed they were too young to become parents. Does she have the right to share this story? Does anyone have the right to disclose someone else's experience around abortion? Your answer to those two questions may be different because this is a bit of an unusual situation.  GET TICKETS TO OUR LIVE SHOW HERE  If you have a question please send it on it to life uncut podcast on Instagram hereJoin us on tiktok Or join the facebook group here Tell your mum, tell your dad, tell your dog, tell your friend and share the love because WE LOVE LOVE! xxSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Life Uncut acknowledges the traditional custodians of country whose lands were never ceded. We pay our respects to their elders past and present. Always was, always will be Aboriginal land. This episode was recorded on Darug Wollongong land. Hi guys and welcome back to another episode of Life Uncut. I'm Brittany. And I'm Laura. Hi, everyone. It's been a silly morning.

I can't. All I want to talk about is your teeth. That's all I want to do. No, it's because I'm still working out how to speak because I've got a wire in my mouth from my Invisalign. So I over articulate sometimes and sometimes I don't over articulate and I get lazy. And it's a whole battle in my mouth right now. For somebody who talks for a living, it's something that you've been finding very hard.

And I'm really, I'm not enjoying it. I hope that you get better. I hope you overcome this hurdle. You're not enjoying what? I'm not enjoying that you are finding it difficult to speak. I thought you were like, you're not enjoying my mouth. No, I love your mouth. I love everything about your mouth.

I love being in your presence. Why don't you enjoy my mouth? Be inside my mouth. Okay, guys, this is Tuesday. Happy Tuesday. Welcome. I have a very unexciting life update, but I'm going to tell you guys anyway. I bet you it's more exciting than mine.

Well, it's a parenting update. Okay, so Marley, she goes to sleep now. She's four and a half and she sleeps in our bed every single night. We don't intentionally co-sleep with our child. She just gets up and gets into bed. She comes in and you're too lazy slash tired to get up and put her back. So you're like, oh, just go to bed. And every night I reckon we probably get about six hours sleep now because like she, like

I've said this before, but she'll have her foot in my tit, a foot in my spleen. I sometimes wake up and I've got her face on top of my face. Sounds great. And so we play musical beds all night. Like I'll get out of my bed and I'll go and sleep in her bed. Anyway, she does this thing where she sleeps and she sucks her thumb and simultaneously puts a finger up her nose so she puts her pointer finger straight up her nose while sucking her thumb that's so weird like she creates an l and she just while she picks her nose she's asleep

how far up can the finger go up her nose she just think about an l shape with your finger make everybody yes wherever you are make an l shape put your thumb in your mouth and stick your pointer finger into your nose at this point she's tickling her brain yeah how far up can it go so the issue is, is that she has been giving herself these like hectic nosebleeds every night because she's got her fingers so far up into her sinuses. So this is a real problem because her bed has the plastic mattress protector on it. Do kids sleep on plastic? Well, it's kind of, it's not plastic, plastic, but yeah, it's like a great big shower cap for the mattress. Do you just glad wrap it up? No, I was thinking more like luggage, you know, how like you cover it. No, you know,

think about like going to a very old Italian nunner's house and the couch is covered in a plastic to protect it like Seinfeld yeah was it Seinfeld or was it the nanny it was the nanny the mom the parents okay so it's kind of like that sort of vibe but in her mattress anyway we don't have one on our mattress because surprisingly neither Matt or myself piss ourselves whilst we sleep so we don't need one wild but we do have like a we have a material mattress protector anyway the problem is she doesn't sleep in her own bed she only sleeps in our bed so three consecutive nights last week she had her finger up and her sinus is so bad that she had a full-on nosebleed and she wakes up and it is like shark week like the kid is covered in blood down her

shirt all over the mattress in her hair like it's disgusting the last time she did it the nosebleed was so bad it went through the mattress protector it's literally just this massive mark on the mattress and so we've got like a nice mattress we bought it when Lola was born and I was like oh my got the fucking mattress so I call up a company sorry it's bleeding in your bed now the blood's in your bed the blood is in my bed right shark week happened in my bed the co-sleeping thing is the reason why so we called up a professional steam cleaner and I was like I need someone to come and get this out like it's soaked into the is it called memory foam yeah it's deep in the memory foam it's deep in the memes it's deep in the memes yeah I'm not getting that out with some

spray and wipe so I call up and I said to the guy on the phone I was like I'm so sorry my daughter's had a nosebleed. I need someone to come out and clean the mattress, like kind of urgently. Cause I don't want it to dry. And he was like, yeah, no worries. It's fine. He was like, how much? And I was like, look, there's a reasonable amount of blood. She's bled through the mattress protector onto the mattress. And he was like, no worries. It's 180 bucks. I can be out there by two o'clock. Cool. Wow. Emergency nosebleed cleaner. I was like, this is amazing. I didn't even know that was a job. So he comes in and it's not the guy that I spoke to on the phone, but as he walked in the door, I was like, Oh, just letting you know, like, you know,

my daughter had a nosebleed and he walks in and like you know how kids never sleep like okay you don't know this but parents will kids don't sleep with their head on a pillow they motor around the fucking bed like they motor around like they'll sleep with their their head in your crotch they'll sleep with their head down at your feet like their heads everywhere so the nosebleed is like towards the center of the bed right so the guy walks in the mattress is stripped and he says oh oh um oh and I was like sorry like because it's a reaction like is there a problem like he looked shocked and a bit repulsed and then it dawned on me he didn't believe me he doesn't think it's a nosebleed he thinks it's period blood and the guy is freaked the fuck out by a bit of period blood

also grow up go touch some grass grow the fuck up anyway he was freaked out by period blood and then he said to me he goes oh that's not a nosebleed and I was like well it is and he goes it's not a nosebleed and i was like it's a nosebleed out my vagina my vagina had a nosebleed my vagina has a severe nosebleed it's my fourth sinus anyway sinusitis he fucking charged me he charged me extra he charged me 280 dollars because he didn't believe me it was a nosebleed he put a hundred dollar period tax he put a period tax on he never said the word period but he said he said oh that's not a nosebleed and then just kept

repeating that it's not a nosebleed and I was like I understand what you're insinuating you're like you don't know what happens to me when I sneeze you can you can check my vagina if you want to I'm not currently on my period but that's fine anyway so I couldn't argue with him I ended up paying 280 to get my mattress cleaned i hope you didn't actually say you can check my vagina no i didn't but please if you'd like to do your due diligence can you clean up there as well i have so many questions also i just want to let you all know it didn't fucking work the mattress still has a massive nosebleed stain on it not period blood nose and and now i'm like do i need to get a new mattress because it looks like shark week in the middle of my bed and if anyone ever

comes and stays over like sometimes you just have the sheets on already it's so embarrassing humiliating but mattresses are expensive and kids she's gonna do it again no i just think you put a sheet on it i don't think you need to get rid of a new mattress because you've got a stain on it i reckon some people will disagree with you it is not a little stain it looks like day two period but if you yeah he was onto something if you put a sheet on it you can't see it through the sheet No, you can't. So if any guest ever stays, just say, just leave it. I'll strip the bed later.

I'll strip the bed. You're like, I'll do it. Wait, how embarrassing for them though when the one time when they think they're doing me a favour and they strip the bed and then they see that someone was murdered there. How am I going to deal with that anyway? How do they report you? Look, that's what's been happening in my life.

It's a real conundrum. Do you know what? You say grow up to this guy that was like, whoa, you say grow up. But in his head, he's just walked in and having to clean some other random person's period blood from a mattress, he's going to have that reaction. What is the difference between a nosebleed and a bit of period blood? It's just a bit of blood.

No, there's a difference. No, no, I agree with you on a lot, but you cannot tell me there's not a difference between a little nosebleed and shark week for a woman. True. Anyway, look, we had a really good week last week, guys. It was our Melbourne live show. Melbourne was amazing for many reasons, but I'm still at a high.

For some reason, I didn't think Melbourne was going to be the big one. I don't know why. I always thought maybe because we're based in Sydney, I thought Sydney would be the big one. But Melbourne was insane. Like the biggest show by far that we had, the wildest, the most hectic. It was truly incredible. Do you know why?

I mean, I knew Melbourne was big in terms of capacity. I just thought people from Melbourne are cool. They're going to clap quietly. You're going to just be a cool audience. Yeah, because we're not, historically speaking, cool. We're not cool. we are not cool and we are cool with not being not cool and sydney is particularly uncool and i feel like the regional towns like and they everyone's screaming and they're excited melbourne

you sent it it was amazing also we had a bit of a wild card with our melbourne show so you guys might have seen if you follow on instagram we were supposed to have flex mommy on stage with us but unfortunately she had some personal stuff going on so she wasn't able to do the show we were so sad about that because we had a fucking amazing chat with her in perth and we love flex and we love Flex and we wanted to do it again in Melbourne, but it actually worked out completely fine in the end anyway, because we had Tones and I come and she was a unexpected addition to the show. What she shared in that interview, like her story, there was such an incredible vulnerability from her that was unexpected to even you and I, Britt. Like we were sitting there in that interview

and we, I mean, we thought we would have kind of a bit of a top line chat around her career and her successes for anyone who, if you don't know who Tones and I is, she's the writer and singer and producer and everything behind the ridiculously successful song Dance Monkey. Well, do you know that's the third most downloaded song ever in the world? Yeah. That song has the third most downloaded song in the world. And she shared how much she now hates that song. And she also shared parts around how she became the superstar that she is, how she started off busking, how she went through a really, really fucking challenging relationship. It was an incredibly vulnerable chat that took both of us by surprise. And I think anyone who was in that Melbourne audience

would have felt what we felt and that it was such a privilege to be able to hear her story. And I mean, off the back of that, we're going to try and get her on the podcast to do a full interview with her because it was just beautiful. It was a really, really special moment. I have always loved Tones and I as an artist, because that's all I've ever known her as. I've never known her until now. So I loved her as the artist, but now I'm obsessed with her as a person. Yeah, because she's so private. And so I think that that's why most people only love her as an artist. She never shares this stuff.

Yeah, but besides that, even if she does share, I still don't know her. I still didn't know her. But she is a really private person. And one of the biggest compliments we could have received, or I think I could receive, I won't speak for you, Laura, but was something Tone said afterwards. You know, she said, I've never shared ever the stuff that I have shared today. And the reason for that is you guys and the audience out there

and the community you've created. She said I watched the – she was, you know, side of stage because the interviews are the second half. So she's like I'd watched the audience out there and the way they were interacting with you guys and you could just tell that this was a community that was such a safe place. And she's like they are the reason I wanted to open up today. And I was like that is the biggest hands-down compliment we could have

is that the people that are coming on this journey with us are all just so fucking incredible. Like each one of you guys that you have made someone like Tones and I feel comfortable enough to share her story. Cause she has never shared it before. And she absolutely did also call you all a cult, but I'm here for it. So it's like, I think life uncut is actually a goal. There's some bliminal messages in there. Welcome to the church of life uncut everyone. No, but like, you know, I know I said it Melbourne, you were such an unexpected show. It was just amazing. We got to meet so many of you beforehand and some of you shared

your stories with us. Some of you invited us to your weddings. Like it was a wild night. And one other thing that I loved as well. And I guess that this is something I would love to kind of encourage for you guys for any of the future shows. We've got Gold Coast this week. Then we have Canberra and then we have Brisbane. Oh my God, the tour is over. There's only three more shows left. But in Melbourne and in Sydney, some of the people who were going solo to the shows organized like a Life Uncut meetup pre-show. So they went out for dinner. So if you're coming to a show solo, chuck it in the Facebook group, create a little event prior. And it means that instead of ending up there by yourself, you end up there with a whole group of friends. And I

cannot tell you how many people are coming to these live shows by themselves. And it's really cool because it takes a bit of bravery to go and to, you know, I mean, if you've ever been to the movies by yourself, if you've ever been to an event by yourself, it takes a bit of bravery to go and do that. And so for every single one of you who have come to these live shows completely solo because you love it and you didn't want to miss out but none of your friends wanted to come we just want to say one you're not alone and i know you know that now but two we are so grateful for you doing that because we know that that's stepping outside your comfort zone oh two other things i wanted to talk about not talk about but i want to mention before we move on one the

accidentally unfiltered from last week the corn that got stuck in the foreskin he was at the melbourne show we sort of revisited we thought you guys are gonna love this this was one that came in from Melbourne. We told it on stage and he put his hand up and stood up. He goes, it was me. And he absolutely owned it. And the whole audience completely loved him. Like, I just love that he put his hand up. He's like, I'm corn boy. It really redefined the whole corn boy meme, didn't it? I mean, it's gone from being this lovely, adorable little black American boy singing it's corn to being a fantastic gay guy in Melbourne who is now the new corn boy. He's literally corn boy and everyone started

going as corn boy, but they loved him. If you don't know the story, it was on last Tuesday's episode basically his partner at the time found a kernel of corn in his foreskin which came out of an orifice of his anyway go back and listen to the actually unfiltered that week because it was fucking hilarious and the second thing was Mitch Turi our beloved radio co-host and the emcee he opens the show at every venue he has taken dating to the next level he was on a first date at the show while he was on the stage so he's never met this guy and his first date. And I don't know how this lands. His first date was to come. He said, come and watch me perform. Well, I think what happened was, is he matched with him on a dating site or something.

They were chatting. And this guy was like, well, while you're here, do you have time for a drink? And Mitch was like, no, because the Melbourne show was such a flyby. We flew in, we did the show, we flew out the next day. And Mitch was like, no, but I can put you on the door at the live show that I'm- No, he goes, I'm too busy. I'm performing. I'm performing at the Palais. so he flexed anyway this guy came we then outed him on stage and Mitch he played it up that he was awkward embarrassed if you were there at the live show Mitch was like stop it I'm so angry he knew from top down that we were gonna say that on stage and he played it up for the audience so I was I was like why are you making this so awkward for everyone Mitch but anyway he knew

what he was doing what do you do on a second date after that though if that's your first date what do you do I think you fly him to the gold coast and then you bring him to the next show all right well something that brit you have been trying to get me to watch and i know so many of you guys are what we spoke about a couple weeks ago the david beckham series i finally watched the last episode last night and do you love it i do but i'm also a cynic so like i started because why are you sitting in everything just enjoy it for what it is because i i was unpacking i was unpicking the way in which it is put together because obviously it's created so that you're like oh my god David Beckham is a lord and he is great I love him he's so hot I remember when he

had a shaved head and I was like yes that man is so fucking sexy I was probably 12 but anyway it doesn't matter I do remember him being this like ridiculously godlike pinup but I think it's so interesting how you watch this four series like biopic and at every point in his life where he's been shrouded in controversy, i.e. the affairs, which we'll get into very shortly. You managed to feel sorry for him. You managed to be like, oh, but he's still so lovable. So he's had these moments in life, which could make him quite unlikable. But this memoir has allowed him to reframe those moments so that in everyone's mind, he's actually just been the most incredible person from start to finish. Oh my God, we all love David Beckham. Yeah, of course. Cause you're not

gonna like he produced it his company put this out you like of course you're gonna control the narrative and make yourself look a hundred times better i loved the documentary matt cried i just loved it so much because you do see a different side into the life of people that you feel like you know but you actually know nothing about because that's what famous quote unquote that's what famous people athletes hollywood stars a spice girl you feel like you know them because they're so big in the public eye but you don't know what goes on behind closed doors and you don't know the mechanics even the mechanics behind the football world and what that was like seeing from his perspective a lot of what it was like being hounded by the paparazzi the streets

the fans like not being able to do anything the death threats I was just on the edge of my seat the whole time I genuinely loved it Victoria Beckham is the MVP she is a superstar man what she put up with? That woman is either a saint or she's been brainwashed because like, I do not know many women who would put up with the relationship that she has put up with, like in terms of like his selfishness with moving away, the affairs, there's so much to unpick from that. But like at the end of it, I was kind of like, unpack or unpick? Unpick and unpack. I'm going to unpick it all. And then we can unpack it. But I think, yeah, I think for me, I was like, wow, she must be so patient and so in love with him because she certainly isn't the damsel in distress right like

I don't watch that and think oh my god you've been so manipulated to stay obviously she is incredibly powerful she's incredibly successful she loved him she loved him and she's made her own choices so I don't think it frames her as though she was in any way in a relationship where she didn't have equal power but at the same time she experienced a lot of things at the hands of his selfishness which makes you go why would you stay there was actually one part where and I was like wow what a thick skin you actually do have because I don't think I'd be able to be as strong as you were in that moment it's not even the affair it was just that one moment when the world turned against David Beckham and they were in this huge stadium Victoria was there and they were all

hating on David they were booing him and stuff and the whole stadium of like 80,000 people started to chant posh takes it up the ass posh takes it up the ass like over and over the entire stadium and she was there and she was just powering on like pretending like it didn't touch the sides obviously she has explained how hurt she was in that moment but imagine how much you've been through in life to get to a point where that cannot make you get up run away and cry and hide like you just put on your brave face you support your husband and that was the moment where I was like, oh my God, how much of your life is like this now? Because they were getting the death threats. They were getting completely hounded. They were getting horrific trolling. There was

kidnapping threats on their kids. It was insanity. I guess it also comes down to this almost like exposure therapy, like not to say that they were ever used to it. I don't think you can ever get used to that kind of abuse, but you do build up a tolerance for it, especially when you've experienced it for so long. And she came off the back of being a Spice Girl. So it's not as though she's not ever experienced or been used to having trolling or vitriol or anger from being at the base of that do you know what i mean well i mean the thing that we wanted to talk about more so was the affair and i guess recently the reason why i mean the documentary has been up alleged we don't want to get sued oh it's an affair it's no alleged it's an alleged you can say

alleged i'll say fair come and sue me i don't care we're saying okay obviously the docu-series has been out for a little while now if you've seen it it's four episodes i'm sure a lot of people have seen it to the end. That's not what's news. But the reason why we're talking about it is because Rebecca Luce, so she was David Beckham's assistant. She was only 26 years old at the time. Now this is going back 20 years ago, so long ago. She is the one who shared their affair. She shared the scandal around the fact that he was having an extramarital affair when he was playing for Real Madrid. He was in Spain and Posh Spice at the time was, I'm still calling us Victoria at the time was living in England. The thing that's so interesting about

this and the reason why I wanted to talk about it, Britt, and you kind of mentioned it just before you sort of said, like, it gives us an insight into these people. Like we, we see a different part of their lives and we have more access to them. I guess that that's the thing about a memoir, right? You don't actually get more access to them. You don't actually understand more about their lives. You understand the version of their life in which they want you to understand. they're showing you their story they're showing you it's still their highlight reel totally and it's also this concept around like David Beckham is sharing his truth but just because it's his truth doesn't make it the truth so Rebecca Luce came out and she was like we had an affair she

copped so much backlash and I think a disproportionate and unfair amount she definitely sold her story she definitely profited off it but at the time she wasn't the one who had any sort of power she wasn't a public figure she didn't have the platform in which David Beckham had yeah but and she was also his employee and a lot younger than him as well but I'm also completely on her side for coming out and selling her story the reason she sold her story she didn't have an affair with him run off and sell the story it was all a big secret she would from all accounts she would have taken that to the grave the story was coming out and she knew that they told her story's breaking do you have a comment so she thought well fuck at least you can come from me

I'm going to control if it's coming out anyway, A, I'm going to control it. B, as if you have two options, you're going to put your comment out there for free or you put your comment out there for money. You're putting it out there for money, a hundred percent. And I would have done exactly the same thing. If someone has come to me and said, this is coming out regardless, you're going to control it. In any way that you possibly can. You're like, if I'm going down with this sinking ship, at least pay me for it. If I'm burning, you're fucking paying me for a hundy. But I feel for her in that sense, because people don't care about the reason. They say, oh, she sold a story. Of course she did, but it was coming out regardless.

It's not like she wasn't the vixen that seduced David Beckham allegedly and then ran away and tried to profit off. That wasn't it at all. It actually sounds like, and when she speaks about it, it actually sounds like she cared a lot about him because they had this work relationship first and then they became very close as friends and then the affair apparently lasted sporadically for about four months.

So I think she genuinely had feelings for him. Oh, no doubt. She speaks about this one other time where they were at this big party and Victoria couldn't get a hold of David. So Victoria calls Rebecca and says, go and find him right now. He's not answering his phone. And she's like, okay, like I'll find him and tell him to call you. And she goes, no, I'll stay on the phone. And so Rebecca had to go through this huge party. She finally saw David's security guards outside a bedroom door. And she had Victoria on the phone and she's mouthing to the security it's Victoria and they went in and got him and when the door was open there was like

some beautiful model in there with him she didn't see them doing anything but they were on a bed and she says that moment even hurt her like her she was the mistress and it hurt her so that was you know who knows allegedly how many times allegedly who knows allegedly how many times it happened but the reason Laura and I are having this discussion and the whole world is I guess is because in the documentary David doesn't lie but he tells a story that is so ambiguous about how it came out in the news and how it affected him and it hurt him so much to see Victoria hurting which is all true but he makes it sound like the media were telling tall tales and it never happened he makes it sound like Rebecca's lying without saying any of this mind you it was so

carefully crafted by PR that delivery of those few sentences that there's nothing you can take from it at all. It was such a pile of horseshit. And I'm going to say, I mean, it was the part of the docu series that I was like, you have lost me now. The reason for that is you still want me. And that's why they're so good. He lost me because this is what I meant by the earlier, when I was said I was so critical in analyzing it. So, I mean, I don't have any affinity for football. I obviously enjoyed them within like the pop culture space when I was young, because they were just this aspirational, incredible couple. I remember when the affairs broke. And I remember thinking, oh, wow, they're going to get divorced. Like that's their

relationship over. And I think it came as a surprise to everyone that that's not what happened. The thing I took, I guess, a bit of issue with and the reason why I think it's completely fair that Rebecca Luce 20 years later has come back out and said is because of the way he's framed it within the series, which is to take zero accountability and to make everyone feel sorry for him. This is what Rebecca had to say. He is making himself a victim and he's making me look like the liar he's making me look like i've made up these horrible stories i'm the one that's made victoria suffer poor him he's had nothing to do with this and it was so awful i think it's one thing if you don't want to take responsibility for things at home because of your family and

your children that's absolutely fine and if he hadn't even mentioned any of that and just said it was a tough time for us and moved on i wouldn't be here today the stories were horrible but they were true and he's the one who's responsible for all of this he's the one who's responsible for his wife's suffering. He's the one that decides to lie to her to say, we don't have to tell my wife. He's made all those choices. The whole conversation around it, it went for a very short period of time. It was like maybe five minutes or 10 minutes of that entire episode, even though they're like, oh, episode four is the great affair episode. It was really the redemption. It wasn't. It was a tiny blip of the redemption arc

that is making everyone fall in love with David Beckham. If you watched it, you may have noticed this at no point did he deny having an affair at no point did he say I didn't have an affair all he said was that it was very very hard for him and for Victoria when the publication started writing the things that they were writing and it was an incredibly challenging time and he hated watching Victoria suffered and he suffered but they made it through it he doesn't know how he shed a tear and then he said because we're both fighters that's how we made our way through it so I would go as far as saying that he admits fault without admitting fault yes because he knows I mean there's so much proof out there that he did have affairs there's so many women who claimed

that they had affairs with him and also obviously Rebecca Luce who has come forward and said that she has all the text messages she has all of the proof but he danced around it in such a careful way and I guess my only part of this why I was like look it's his memoir he's allowed to say and do whatever he wants to and the whole purpose of this is to frame him in a certain way but I think all these years later this woman who still has no public profile she is now living a relatively normal life with her husband her children to be dragged back into the media sphere even though he didn't directly name her she still indirectly gets dragged back into it and I think it's kind of almost unfair how it blows her life back into a time and a situation 20 years later and the only

motive of that is to make him look like he's a fucking amazing well yeah she said so many people had forgotten about all of this. So many people put all this behind them, the whole affair, the scandal and everything. And he has dragged it back up again in a way that is affecting my reputation. I think if he was going to touch on this time and how difficult it was, it would have been really nice for him to have said, it was not my proudest moment, which I absolutely agree with. It's completely not fair on her because this is now the most thing on Netflix. He has 85 million followers. Even if she does respond properly, it's the power and balance. She doesn't have the right of reply that he does. It's really unfair to bring this

back up into her life. And she said she literally moved away from any city. She moved to like Norway or something in the mountains. She lives in a mountain. She's a yoga teacher. She removed herself from that life and now she's been thrown back into it, which is fine if he's going to tell the whole story. An example of what he could have done and owned it, and this person still came out on top, is Arnold Schwarzenegger. I don't know if you watched the documentary I recommended, Laura, like it was one of my vibes like a month or two ago. I don't know if anyone else watched it, but he completely owned his affair in his documentary. He owned it to the point of like, yes, I did this. It was horrific. He can't not, he had a baby. No, I know, but he didn't have to

talk about it. The evidence is walking around. But it doesn't matter. Everyone knows David Beckham did right like allegedly allegedly but it's the same thing right he didn't have to he could have said one thing on Schwarzenegger he could have said like you know I made a mistake and and then moved on but he didn't he actually spoke about it how much he hurt his family how it was the the worst thing he could have ever done it changed his whole life for the worse I just loved that he owned it he still came out on top because people love somebody owning up to a mistake trying to understand why we're all human because we are human right everybody does make mistakes but it's the way you handle it after and I think that was where David went wrong and I agree and I think in

that moment and I might be the minority in this for anyone who's seen the series it made me like him less because there was zero accountability that was taken and if anything there was so much work and so much dialogue that was put into framing him as the victim in terms of saying things like when I was in England I came home to my family I came home to my stability but when I was playing for Real Madrid, they weren't there and I didn't come home to anyone. And so it was so hard for me. There was zero accountability taken, even though it was implied that the cheating happened. And 20 years on from that, I just think if you're going to talk about it, you have to have the maturity to accept it and not to try and in those moments completely frame

yourself as a victim when clearly your actions hurt so many other people. And at the moment, there is still this woman, Rebecca Luce, who's going to be brought back into it, even though she wasn't directly named, her name and her story was so front and center of the media tension at that point in time, that there is no way she wasn't going to be dragged back up in this instance. This conversation around David Beckham kind of led us into another topic, which was the Britney Spears book that's coming out very soon. Everyone's writing a memoir. You also haven't noticed yet, but I wore double denim today because I knew we're speaking about Britney Spears and Justin Timberlake in an ode to their relationship thank you thank you so much I'm sorry that I didn't

otherwise we could have been not noticing all right well look the reason okay so this whole conversation around like memoirs who owns the story the redemption arc the reframing of the history in terms of the way media sees you but what happened here and what you might have seen is over the last couple of days a part of Britney Spears upcoming memoir has been released and that is the story that she had an abortion. The father of that child was Justin Timberlake. Now the little bits and pieces and the information that we've been given in terms of what's been leaked by I'm guessing the publishing company is that Britney didn't want to have an abortion. She wanted to keep the baby, but the people in her sphere wanted her to have an abortion. Also, you've got to

remember that her brand at the time was based off being virginal. She was this like basically the pinup girl of being a Christian icon. And it's come out that Justin Timberlake, who was also super young at the time, he didn't want to be a father yet because he felt as though he was too young. So that is kind of all the information that's come out on it. But there has been a lot of conversation across media. And that conversation has been, is it her story to tell? Because Justin hasn't shared that he was part of this. He hasn't shared that he was the father. And is it completely just her story to talk about this and to share that part of the information about him without his consent, especially without the context of the book so that people can't, you know,

we've got this little bit of information, but you can't go and read the book and actually get the full story yet. So it leaves people to make up their own opinions and minds before the point is that they can actually get all the information. And well, you can actually read it today. It is out today, October 24. Unlike Jada Pinkett Smith, she has just given a few little tidbits. Like she's just released a little bit. Whereas I feel like for Jada, she's released so much that you don't need to probably buy it anymore. You feel like you've read the book. Totally. She's done so many interviews, but Brittany has just put enough out that people are like, fuck, I want to know more. Before we unpack this a little bit more, what Brittany

wrote is, it was a surprise, but for me, it wasn't a tragedy. I loved Justin so much. I always expected us to have a family together one day. This would just be much earlier than I'd anticipated, but Justin definitely wasn't happy about the pregnancy he said we weren't ready to have a baby in our lives that we were way too young if it had been left up to me alone I would never have done it and yet Justin was just so sure that he didn't want to be a father to this day it is one of the most agonizing things I have ever experienced in my life now they started dating at 17 and 18 and they only dated for three to four years so it had to have been in that time like very very early 20s yeah and the way she's framed it is she did it for him but this was his doing

and his idea so she's made it sound like I didn't want to do it and he made me feel like I had to do it which is a pretty big call to put out to the world when you're going to be probably one of the most followed people in the world yeah but they're also I mean there is actually more of this conversation that's been released so there was a conversation around the fact that she used the abortion pill because she couldn't go and see or be recognized so she couldn't go to a hospital she couldn't go to a doctor's it had to be done with such secrecy she actually didn't tell her family so i think it was in terms of what's actually been released so far the only people that who knew was justin so they did it together and i guess my question to you is and i guess this

specifically comes down to this event is who owns the story because a memoir allows you to tell your story. It allows you, like I said, to tell your truth, whether it is the truth or not, it is your truth. And it allows you to frame your opinion about whoever it is that's on the receiving end of that or whoever else, what other characters play a role in your story. And so this is obviously Brittany's experience. It's what she lived through. I think it's important to talk about an abortion. I think it's important to talk about women's choices. It's important to talk about what we go through. I don't condemn that by any means. But what is your opinion, Britt, in terms of talking about abortion when the other person hasn't consented to their name being thrown in the mix?

I think it's a really tricky one. And the reason I say that is Britney Spears' story isn't a normal story. She's not a normal person. She wasn't in a normal relationship to start with. She has been in a conservatorship for 13 years. She is one of the most famous people in the world. She's had her voice silenced for a long time and nobody will ever be able to relate to that. She's been free now, quote unquote free, for two years and she wants to speak and she's entitled to speak. It is her body. It is her story. It is her choice. She can do whatever she wants with that. I absolutely agree on that. But where it gets tricky for me is I genuinely believe it's also his story just because it doesn't physically happen to him. I know with an abortion, it's the woman that goes

through so much and it's her body that changes and it's the mental load that she carries but I think it would be wrong of us to say that it is not also the man's story obviously he has no control over that his body isn't traumatized his body isn't going through the same thing the whole he's not having the hormones but mentally it's still his child and he still contributed so it's his story as well and this is where I find it difficult I don't have a problem with Brittany telling her story because I think it's an important part of who she is and what happened to her. I do wonder if there was any conversation privately between Brittany and Justin or their teams, their managements, whoever. I wonder if there was any discussion as a heads up that it's coming out.

I can only imagine. And again, we don't fucking know, like we're not there. We don't know their stories, but I can only imagine it's still bringing something up for him in some capacity. But I don't think there's anyone that can sit there. Well, there will be, but I don't think people can sit there and say, she should never have said that. That wasn't hers to share. Well, that's why I asked the question because it has been super divisive. I don't think it's intentionally trying to frame him as a bad person or as a villain in the narrative, but obviously, you know, if she's telling her memoir and she's saying what happened to her in that period of life, then even if she doesn't name Justin Timberlake, it's pretty obvious who

is going to be the father. Unless if she doesn't name him and she says she had an abortion and she said she doesn't want to say who it was, either people are going to read between the lines or they're going to think that she cheated, right? So it kind of is part and parcel of her telling her story. That brings me back to this whole conversation of like, who owns a memoir? Because so many other people's stories are entwined in your life story, right? Like the things that happen to us individually, there are so many other characters and players in this. I guess the reason why I feel very differently about Britney Spears sharing her abortion story, and I don't have this like overwhelming sympathy for Justin Timberlake. I'm like, well, yes,

it happened. She's telling her version of it. And it's unfortunate that you didn't want that to come to public light, but it has. And that's part and parcel of the fact that you're both public figures. You both have incredibly powerful platforms to communicate your stories on. I guess I come from it from a very different perspective in that I think it is so important to talk about abortion, because I think for so long, men have been able to benefit from the anonymity of it and women experience it. And then we saw everything that happened with Roe v. Wade, where there are so many females who are campaigning against it and women are being villainized for doing it. But the reality is so many men, so many powerful men, so many successful

men, so many not powerful men and not successful men have benefited from women having abortions. And so I guess for me, I'm like, I think that the story lays more heavily with her because it did happen to her body because it was something that she experienced. And by all sounds of it, it wasn't what she wanted, but she felt like she had to do it because she didn't have the support structures around her to allow her for any other option. But then how do we feel if we flip that narrative on its head? How do we feel if we never heard from Brittany and Justin Timberlake came out and said, we had an abortion when we were 19. Britney Spears had an abortion. If he had told that story,

how do we feel? I feel differently because I think when it comes to abortion, I think the majority of the story lays with the female. I may be the minority in thinking that, you know, that might be controversial. People out there who have experienced one might think that it is a shared experience. But I would say that if it's happening to your body, it is majoritively your experience even if it emotionally affects the other person it physically and emotionally affects you and so therefore I think if you want to talk about it you can talk about it I guess that's where I have trouble because I still think it's the man's story as well I know a lot of men that have gone through that that has really affected them and are we to say that just

because it wasn't in their body that it's not their story that's where I find it I really like a thin line, like a thin tightrope to walk on. I agree with you. If he told the story and Brittany didn't, it wouldn't be a completely different story from the public's perspective. And I guess it also depends on the person's experience as to whether they feel like that person is entitled to the secrecy or not. There's going to be an instance where some people are going to have an abortion and they felt completely supported by their partners. And it was a mutual decision that was gone into with mutual respect and validation towards each other. There are going to be women who had abortions and they didn't feel like they had that support or that mutual

respect and validation. In which case, is that person who is the participant in that pregnancy, are they entitled to the anonymity? And I guess that that's probably the big conversation that this comes down to is that she didn't feel supported. She didn't feel like she got to make the decision that she wanted to make. And therefore she wants to talk about it. And for me, when it comes to abortion, I think the pendulum needs to swing. People need to be speaking about it because the only reason why we don't is because it is shrouded in shame. It's shrouded in this moral dilemma.

And so by speaking about it, it kind of starts to remove that and break that down. Yeah, I think the difference is, and I said it before, is that it's because Britney Spears and Justin Timberlake are a different kettle of fish. It's different to a normal everyday woman that works a nine to five that doesn't have a public profile. It's different to her going to her friends on the Saturday night and saying, hey, guys, I had an abortion. I want to talk about it. Do you have to go and get the consent from your partner or your ex or

whoever it was? No, because it's a really trusted tight-knit community. With Britney Spears and Justin Timberlake, there is not going to be one media outlet in the world that is not talking about it. So it does hit on a different level. If Justin had no warning that that was even coming, who knows how that could affect him? Because it's not coming from one person. It's not coming from a friend that's like hey Brittany said you had an abortion this is going to be such a hugely publicized event a media storm and there will be a pile on it's going to have backlash so all I think when I look at this situation is sure she could tell it but I would hope maybe there was just a heads up from the team like it doesn't have to be a written permission but like I feel like and we

don't know because we don't know the situation but I feel like maybe a courtesy thing of it is happening just so you know like this is coming out just so you know i guess like she's such a unique case and like there's definitely two ways you can talk about this you can talk about it how we feel about it in general as a conversation or you can talk about it specifically with britney spears the only thing that i want to say and add to this in terms of her specific story is she was demonized by justin timberlake when he wrote the song cry me a river and his film clip had an actress in it that was meant to look like britney spears it was meant to be a representation of her and he made her be the villain. He destroyed her good girl persona by being very public about the

fact that she had cheated on him. She'd kissed someone else in this book. She's come out to say that, you know, he also cheated on her. And so I guess this is her way of explaining what she experienced in that period of her life to also try and reframe the fact that she wasn't the villain and the fact that she was a 19 year old girl who went through so much. And yet at the end of it was made to look like. She was such an awful, horrible person. Yeah. At the end of the day, they were kids. I did see a PR expert come out just these last couple of days since this excerpt has dropped saying, basically saying from her expert opinion, she's a Hollywood PR expert. Justin has to respond. She's like, there is no way out of this. Silence doesn't exist. He's going to

have to make a statement. And she says, I think he needs to make it before the release, but the release is today. So we haven't seen it yet. We recorded this yesterday on Monday. This is Tuesday. So unless it comes out tonight, maybe his team are waiting to read the whole thing, the whole chapter before they make a response. But I think we're going to hear from him. I don't think in this situation you can cruise through on silent mode. I don't know. I would love to know people's opinions on this because I do think that an abortion story lays more predominantly with the female who experiences it than the man. I'm not saying that his feelings are invalid, but I'm saying that as a female, I think that Brittany has every right to speak about it. And unfortunately,

Justin has to weather the storm of that in some way. And he has, he is not a victim in that he has a huge profile, a huge media profile, and he has the right of reply. I guess that that's how I feel about it. And I would love to know if you think that that is not correct. Anyway, let's get into Accidentally Unfiltered. Okay. This is an absolute cracker. I cannot believe I'm telling somebody this story, let alone the whole nation. So when I was 16, I had my first boyfriend and he told me he loved blowjobs. So I was like, oh, easy. I can do that. We're in his bedroom. Things were getting hot and heavy. I saw my opportunity. It was my moment to shine. So I went down and I blew on his dick. Yep. You read it right. I blew on his dick and I came back

up to see his reaction and I'm thinking I nailed that blow. It was a solid blow. He looked at me like, oh, sweetheart, that's not it. And I literally never saw him again. What do you mean you never saw him again? He goes to that. I'm now 22. I'm still horrified by this story. Every single time I have sex, I think about it. Also that's. And yes. So, you know, I do know how to give a blowjob now. Stop it. Do you know, I broke up with my first boyfriend when I was 15 because he wouldn't let me give him a blowjob. Why? Why not? I don't fucking know. But I tried like three times and he wouldn't let me. And we dated for a year and a half and we'd never gotten past just like the heavy petting stage through clothes, through complete clothes. But I was young and I

wanted to take things further. I was like 15 heading into 16 and we'd been dating for a year and a half and he wouldn't let me. And at the time I wouldn't do it now, obviously guys, but I was young and I was like I'm ready to take my experimenting one step further and he was not and I was like okay I guess fuck you I'll go elsewhere I yeah well then I was dumbly like dumbly that's not even a word stupidly I didn't end up having sex for like two years so yeah that's that's what happened do you know what you need to go and get tickets if you're in Gold Coast and come to the Gold Coast show which is on tomorrow Wednesday tomorrow yeah if this is Tuesday and you're listening to it or if this is not Tuesday and you're listening to it late you

might have missed it but anyway we've still got Canberra and Brisbane to come tomorrow guys we are dropping an absolutely incredible episode with the one and only Trini Woodall aka Trini London oh we interviewed her last week and she's just a fucking dream she's so amazing in person and the second she walked in the door she walked in with her entourage and she was just like the sun I saw her at the reception and the sun was behind her like an angel and I was like oh my God, you're as amazing. She's one of those people that walks into a room and without even trying commands attention. Do you know those people? The sun wasn't behind her. It was shining out of her. She literally is the sun. And we are actually all just orbiting around Trini Wood or we

didn't realize. Yeah. So the interview is tomorrow and we talk about so much. She has such an incredibly interesting life that I had no idea about. She's gone through so many chapters and she refers to her life a lot in decades so when she reflects back she talks about decades the hardest decade the best decade the most successful decade the lowest lows and addictions that she went through to she went to rehab which a lot of people probably don't know to her highly successful career to her journey to motherhood like we really really cover it all and she's truly such an inspiration well she also talks about how this period of her life is her most happiest and how she you know I think this idea that and we've seen it a lot play out over

social media there's we've been many conversations around how our currency as a woman like the things that we can bring whether it be to our work or whether it be within the media that we as we age our value decreases and Trini is the absolute antithesis of that and she says that for herself and maybe it's the privilege of working for herself but she says that she's never seen age as a limiting factor in what she's been able to achieve in her life and she has only become more successful as she has gotten older and I love the way that she speaks about ageing, the way that she speaks about her own successes

and all of that is on tomorrow's episode. And that's it from us, guys. You know the drill. Tell your mum, tell your dad, tell your dog, tell your friends and share the love because we love love! We'll be right back.