Life Will Be the Death of Me with Chelsea Handler - Can You Spell Shenis? with TS Madison

Episode Date: June 25, 2026

The indomitable TS Madison joins Chelsea to discuss the voice that told her she’d be friends with RuPaul, what it means to be a woman, and why she remains well-endowed.  Then: A caller learns that you f*ck young, date rich.  And a childfree woman can’t shake the guys who *might* want kids.   * Need some advice from Chelsea? Email us at [e-mail] * Executive Producer Catherine Law Edited & Engineered by Brad Dickert * * * The views and opinions expressed are solely those of the Podcast author, or individuals participating in the Podcast, and do not represent the opinions of iHeartMedia or its employees.  This Podcast should not be used as medical advice, mental health advice, mental health counseling or therapy, or as imparting any health care recommendations at all.  Individuals are advised to seek independent medical, counseling advice and/or therapy from a competent health care professional with respect to any medical condition, mental health issues, health inquiry or matter, including matters discussed on this Podcast. Guests and listeners should not rely on matters discussed in the Podcast and shall not act or shall refrain from acting based on information contained in the Podcast without first seeking independent medical advice.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The cast of Frozen stopped by. Kristen Bell, Josh Gad, and Idina Menzel. I auditioned for Frozen. What? For Kristoff. They said, okay, what are you going to be singing today? I said, I don't know. That must have been why you didn't get it.

Oh, you probably won. Plus, John Stamos, Hayden Christensen from Star Wars, and more. And I guess I can share that, uh... No way. Listen to the latest episode of Hey Jonas on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, guys, here are my dates for the High and Mighty Tour. In June, I will be in Hyannis, Massachusetts,

and then two shows in Nantucket. in August. You can find me in Red Bank, New Jersey, Montclair, New Jersey, and Calgary. That's Canada. And September, I will be in Santa Barbara, San Diego, New York City, Philly, and New Haven, Connecticut. October is Atlanta, Baltimore, Saginaw, Michigan, Pittsburgh, Toronto, Boise, Idaho, and Spokane. And then in November, I'll be in San Francisco. I'm coming to Salt Lake City, Austin, Houston, Dallas, babies. I'll be there. And then in December, I am closing out my tour in Denver and Vancouver.

So get your tickets at ChelseaHandler.com for the High and Mighty Tour. Okay. Hi, hi, hi. How's it going? Oh, it's going great, Chelsea. My in-laws were here this last weekend. How did that work out? I know that.

How did your jury duty work out, Brad? It was an adventure. Really? Yeah. Did you solve a murder? No, I didn't. It was an indecent exposure case. Oh, yeah.

And the guy was pretty creepy, so I got myself excused. You did? Yeah, I did. Yeah, he did. Basically, he told them, like, I can't be impartial. Well, also because our brother-in-law is a prosecutor for exactly that type of person. But why couldn't you impartial? Who's going to be impartial about, like, indecent exposure?

Fair, fair. Who's impartial about that? And I thought it was so interesting because Brad said, like— Is there a group of people that want that to happen? No. So, but I guess it was like a misdemeanor and the guy was already in a jumpsuit. So Brad said, because of our brother-in-law, he already knew that like he was a repeat offender.

So it's like, you know, so he knew, oh, you knew inside scoop. Yeah, I got the inside scoop. I see. I see. I see. Yeah. I think the, uh, the lawyers were glad to get rid of him. I don't know, man.

Even the defense attorney was pretty creepy. So I just kind of made it clear that I wasn't going to be very useful as a juror and I just wanted to be here when my family got here. This was such a crazy thing. so the last day we had kind of a free day and we had my little 15 year old niece and my mother-in-law is there and she was like you know I've always loved the look of a nose ring like a little sparkle a little something and she's got like cute little petite features and we were like girl you got one life to live like let's do this if you really want one she was like really so she's 70

years old almost 70 years almost 70 years old and we took her to get a nose ring a nose ring and it looks fabulous on her and she was like i never had girlfriends to like support me in doing something like this i'm so excited so it was a very exciting and thrilling time well that is just adorable nose rings for everyone i wouldn't mind a nose ring although i don't want to get my nose pierced yeah i don't want to go through the pain of it you just get a fakey and just get a little just get a little clip um our guest today is very entertaining she is a media mogul actress producer, entrepreneur, and one of the most visible and influential transgender

voices in entertainment. You can find her on her podcast. It's called Outlaws or as a judge on RuPaul's Drag Race. Please welcome T.S. Madison. My manager has a child. She has a black one and a white one. Okay, do you do

this, Chelsea? Do you wipe his ass? No. I don't think I've ever wiped anyone's ass but my own. Oh, we're going to have a Can we curse? Yeah, of course. What do you mean? This is America in 2026.

All rules have gone out the fucking window. Oh, yes. We can curse. Look what's happening in this world. Cursing. That's the least of anybody's worries. Girl, I want to talk about the roast, how you pulled them together in that roast. Let's do it.

Let's do it. We'll do it all. You can't let them hold it. Let's wait. Just let's fucking talk about it. Okay. No problem. Brad, are we rolling?

We are. Amazing. Are we good? We're good? Oh, T.S. Madison is in the house. Uh-oh. Jaya, come get this. Jaya, come back.

you're good so I'll be doing come back come back and get this pocketbook so I don't be and get my phone and shit over there

because I want to talk and Madison I'm Catherine we didn't officially meet I'm Catherine Catherine yeah like Chancellor

remember you knew me Catherine Chancellor I'm Chancellor Catherine Chancellor I'm Chancellor and she's Catherine Catherine Chancellor Chancellor Chelsea Catherine

and T.S. Madison and T.S. Madison honey yeah baby yes yes so oh my god I'm excited welcome

you look ravishing Well, I like to get ravished. Yeah, you're very voluptuous, and I like your body type. And guess what? We're allowed to say shit like that now because all the rules are out the fucking window. Out the window. You see this motherfucker is really up here changing the Constitution, doing whatever the fuck they want to do. That's right.

So I'm an American. We get to do what we want to do. Exactly, exactly. Yes. First of all, you have some updates that I'd like to announce to our audience that are very exciting. This month, you received the Miss Majors Pioneer of the Year Award at the BET Black and Iconic Soiree, named for legendary trans activist Miss Major Griffin Gracie. So congratulations on that award.

Thank you much. Well deserved. Thank you. And then you also took the first home you ever purchased in Atlanta and transformed it into the T.S. Madison Starter House, which is a safe re-entry housing program for formerly incarcerated black trans women. And ex-prostitutes. I'm top, sister.

Ex-prostitutes. Because you got to understand, like, I was that. Like, with all these accolades and stuff that you may read about me, I never shy away from my past. Because the moment you start shying away from your past, that's when people are like, oh, I got her. Yeah. Yeah, you sucked a dick on the corner. Remember you did that? Oh, yeah, I wrote about it in a book.

Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, I did. That's like me. I announce all my shit. So when they try to come at me, and it's like, hey, buddy, I already talked about this in the New York Times, you fucking loser. I said, motherfucking asshole bitch. Yeah, I did.

I did it. So what are we doing now? Let's talk about that. Let's talk about your past. Let's talk about, let's start with your childhood. Okay. I want to know when you, what age were you when you saw someone that represented what you thought that you could be?

I am 40, I'll be 49 in October. I remember in 1992, I saw the crying game, Deal. Remember Deal? The character Deal? Yeah, of course. So it was The Crying Game, and it's when I first figured out. Because I had saw RuPaul. Yeah.

RuPaul is, you know, which I'm a judge on RuPaul's Drag Race. But I saw RuPaul, and I knew that RuPaul put it on, took it off. I couldn't take me off. You know what I'm saying? And so I saw The Crying Game, and the biggest thing in that movie was the reveal. Titties at the top, dick at the bottom. i was like oh that's me really because i don't here's the thing i am i the only time that i really ever struggled with wanting to have a sex change operation was during my teenage years when

i was peer pressured into it by other girls around it's like well the only way that you're going to be like a real woman is if you get your dick cut off like if you got to be so you know i was pressure back then because i started transitioning when i was about 17 years old and so you know i started transitioning here in the mind i grew up in a church okay and so you know growing up in a church you know everything's going to hell seven years old i found christ with my mom um i got baptized where was he oh i found christ in the pulpit of the church and the guy was saying And if you, come on, bring your soul out. So I led my mom to Christ.

Oh, you led her to Christ. She didn't lead you to Christ. No, she didn't lead me to Christ. I led her to Christ. And then after me leading her to Christ, we were Christians after that. Okay. So I got baptized. First time I got baptized, girl, like right after the baptism, I had a hard penis in the back.

Seven. There's other men back there. We all had just got baptized. And so I was like, well, why the fuck do I have a hard dick right now? Wasn't I supposed to be washed clean? You had the hard penis or you felt another person's hard penis? No, I had the hard penis. Oh, you had the hard penis.

I got an erection. Okay, you had an erection at the baptism. Afterwards. Like after I was baptized and they took us in the back back there. Oh, this is going to be some good stuff for you. They took us in the back and we changed robes because they put us in these white robes. And then they dip you in the water and you go to bed. And then it's just like all the men were about to get naked.

And I was like, my penis got erect. But I was seven. Okay. So maybe that was, but I never forgot that my dick got hard. Okay. And so then later on. Was that the first time you ever experienced an erection? You know what, come to think about it, probably.

Okay. Probably. Wow, nobody ever asked me that. Well, I wonder how many people did experience their first erection during a baptism. Maybe there's more than just you. Maybe. You know, usually like, maybe that's a thing. That's kind of like, you know.

Or maybe it was because I was in a room full of dicks. I don't know. That's what I mean. You're with other men, right? And then you have your penis. I don't know. You know nobody ever asked me that. That's crazy.

That's making me think. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's making me think, too. Yeah, like, what the fuck? I think we're all thinking. So after that, you know, growing up, going to church and stuff, whatever, you know, you're hearing about homosexuality is a sin, being gay is this, and you're going to hell. So, of course, you suppress whatever feelings and things that you have, you know, about, you know, what you're attracted to. And then you're like, well, I want to like girls, but I don't think girls, you know, are, like, that doesn't make me have an erection.

You know what I'm saying? I've always found women to be extremely beautiful. Yeah. Of course, because. You wanted to be it. Yeah. Right. So, you know, so it's like, I like to look at women and I like the way, you know, and being raised by a woman and, but I just didn't want to have sex with a woman.

So fast forward, like 14, I heard a voice. I was watching RuPaul on TV and I heard a voice say, that's going to be your friend and y'all are going to work together. 14. I'm 49. that was 14 years old i heard that and then you know now i'm a judge on drag race but i'm jumping around because you got me excited yeah great you know but me thinking like i had a connection to something i don't know what it was i've always been connected to hearing a voice or feeling an emotion or something but it never was an attraction to sexually attracted to women

When I turned 17, I had an experience to where I met another trans woman that became my gay mama. And when I met her, I worked at Long John Silver's. I know it. I know it well. Two Piece Fish and More. So it was Long John Silver's. She came through Long John Silver's. And I looked out the window.

And we had been hearing about her for a long time because she used to do hair in our neighborhood. And I looked out the window, and she was there. And I knew it wasn't a woman, but it wasn't a man. It was something. And so the only encounter that I had ever seen prior to that in 92 was watching the crying game. So it's just like these pieces started to connect. And so she was looking at me in the drive-thru window, and she was like, I remember that coming out.

she said what's your name and I was like Timothy and she was like oh how much does my how much was the order I can't remember how much a two-piece fishing war was back in 90 whatever but I rang it up and she and I passed her food at the window and she reached and she was like and she grabbed my arms and stuff like that with her long nails and claws and I just I felt like what happened because then I just feel like it was a transfer of something a transference of energy of possibility

yeah and so it was so crazy to me because you know it was like one of those experiences of like so much shit was just crashing in my brain and I'm like well girl what is this and I remember my manager

coming back there saying you know that's a man that's a man but I'm like i know it's not a man it's not a man but it's it's not a female but i think that's kind of like me you know yeah i was really problematic in school i'm assuming now that i'm older that it was because i was battling all the things that i was taught and all the the ideas that was placed to me and you know and I remember meeting

another queer kid in school that was androgynous I would say and I remember her they them she all of that asking me why do you eat like a man you're supposed to

eat like this like a girl you're a girl I was like I'm not no fucking girl you know And she got killed during our spring break, and I cried like a kid because I was like, that was like my first time, like, really just interacting outside of me working over here, the crying game. You know, it was just interacting with something else outside of church. Who do we know who killed her?

Yeah, some guys killed her. Oh, God. Um, sometimes Chelsea, when I think about it, you know, and I think about where I am in life, I was like, well, what, what would have happened if she would have survived? Like to see the world change and then me being the change maker in the world and me actually embracing exactly, you know, who I am and stuff like that. Like, I wonder what she, I wonder, I wonder could she see me, you know, I think about it sometimes. I think about it like it weighs on my heart heavy at times because you know I was a kid and and I saw stuff in images and and freedom I saw what freedom looked like so I met other trans women who started telling me like in order for me to be like a real woman you know you got to get a pussy

you got to have a pussy and all this stuff and I was like I don't want a pussy I don't want to have a pussy. I'm already, I'm, I'm, it's already enough. Like in the straight world, you got to have a lot of women to be a man. In the trans world, you got to be a real woman. You got to have a pussy. It's just like too many rules and regulations. I want to live on my own terms. I don't, I want to be who I am on my own terms. I don't want to have to, you know, submit over here in the rainbow in the in the straight world of of having to you know you know just look away be away build away shape away muscle away you know and then over here in this world well you gotta be this and that it's like girl i didn't get under the rainbow to follow these fucking rules

you know i'm saying and so i saved up money and i was really in the process of like all right well in order for me to be a real woman i gotta go get a pussy so i don't you know pussies back then were like $50,000, $50,000, $60,000. Like, if you wanted a real good pussy, you had to go to Thailand or some land. And, like, I'm a well-endowed girl, so I have a lot of dick. Oh, okay.

And I didn't want to get rid of my motherfucking dick. I didn't want to do it. I like this. I like this. I like everything you're saying. Seriously. Why are there rules to being a trans woman? That's not a rule.

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every week i'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable i knew if he woke up without a doubt he was going to hurt me i started feeling that there was someone at the end of my bed and i just started screaming they are abducted stalked controlled and nearly silenced but these aren't stories about what's taken from them they're stories about what it takes to make it out alive Listen to The Survivor Files with Elizabeth Smart on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If your bookshelf and your For You page are equally important to your personality, welcome home. This is Prose Society, the weekly podcast that's part book club, part group chat for thought daughters, pop culture obsessives, and anyone who thinks Pride and Prejudice and Love Island deserve the same level of discourse. I'm Eli Rallo, and every week we're connecting the dots between books,

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Not a lot of people smile around here. It's when you're alone that you're most receptive to the world as it is and not the lies you're sold about it. It can be a time where you push your limits, change your mind or wake up to a new version of yourself so whether you're a solo travel veteran or you're too nervous to book your first trip i hope you listen to solita on the iheart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts when you're telling the story about this younger girl that it was killed murdered i think this is

something that rings true for me and I, it sounds like it rings true for you from everything that I've seen of yours and just talking to you that when you are in a position of power and you have a platform that is larger than most, you're not just doing it for yourself. You're doing it for all of the people that we've lost and all of the people that came before you and all of the people that will come after you. So when you say you think about that girl, like that, that is like with every move you make it's a lot of responsibility you know to think of so many others when you're making decisions but i think with prominence comes a lot of responsibility and a lot of it i didn't want because of course i'm going to always color outside of the lines

and you know it's gotten me in a lot of trouble a lot of my opinions have have gotten me in a lot of social trouble you know because you know i just i've color outside of the lines like what what can you think of something that's gotten you into trouble recently listen i i just recent just recently and then i want to tell you about my sex change story okay just recently i made a statement about uh dl hugely i cussed that motherfucking i cussed his motherfucking ass what happened with well because it was some shit that happened with me and um just hilarious and um uh because there was this issue around trans women being trying to erase cis women and all of this type of who has control over periods and womanhood and that was a another trans woman that you know

made the comment and I was like well of course females have control over womanhood they're females like what the fuck like we don't like I don't give a damn how altered and how gorgeous and how we're not females where we could be women but we're not females so we don't have periods now the way that they twisted my words was I see yeah you know and like DL made this statement and he said well T.S. Madison and it was on the radio saying this shit and I was like hey hey hey hey nigga don't you know that you ain't supposed to don't we don't you know that we don't all look like you black you should know how it feels that we don't all look alike yeah you know don't don't misconstrued me and don't say like that I said that when that's not what I said you know don't

take my words and take the another person's words because like all trans like she's me and that girl don't even look alike like but a lot of straight people or cis people I should say don't even think beyond you know like they can't imagine that you would be trans and not have bottom surgery or sexual uh but Chelsea my problem with DL was like sir you're black don't act like that people don't think that all us black folks look alike so you should know when I'm telling you or when I'm when I'm correcting you saying hey I didn't say that Blossom said that yes she's trans but we just because we trans and the thing I didn't say that what I said was Jess Hilarious should have said female instead of woman because i understood her plight no we are trans women we're not female

so yes females do have control over the womanhood aspect of that when it comes to periods because that's something that we will never experience you and i will have shared experience we'll never have the same lived experience do you trade well but that's true for everybody regardless of you know are sex or you know what but do some trans women consider themselves to be female don't isn't that true for some trans women i do believe that there are there are because we're not a monolith and so there are trans women that consider themselves female i'm not one of those trans okay i i consider myself a trans woman like i i've lived 17 years of my life 18 years of my life as a butch queen a gay boy but i still was a woman on the inside so i i don't consider myself

a trans woman packing some serious heat i was always still got it honey you know and so in that i was pressured to get a sex change even in that and i'm like girl you know i didn't want it so i have a i met a puerto rican rican you know that's my one of my i met a puerto rican guy one night after the club and you know i'm just to make the long story short you know he was he wanted me to get totally naked and so i didn't tell him at the time that i was had a dick you know but he was like bitch you you're early in your transition girl i know you got a dick but you know i'm gonna play stupid with you like a lot of men do so so trans girls out there stop playing those games there are a lot of men that play stupid with you girl they know you have or

have had a dick but anyway so he was like get naked so when I got all the way naked and I had my hands in the front of my private like that and he was saying like um you know move your hand let me see so I moved my hand and it flopped and he was like oh my god you're so beautiful after that like after our sexual experience I never thought about having another sex change until recently until recently when Trump got in office and I said maybe I might need to do this to protect myself from whatever's coming maybe I might need to do because I can I can I can pass and I was like maybe I could just but then I'm like well bitch your tea is Madison so even if you got a pussy they know you didn't have one before if somebody spots you so you know like these were thoughts

is going through my head. But I don't have those thoughts. Right. You feel settled. I'm good. You're good. And you're going to keep your penis. Oh, I'm keeping it. Okay, good for you. I made up my mind. Up top on your penis. Way to go. Keeping my baby.

What is, okay, so there's a phrase for men. We were talking about this. Yeah. Only date. There's a thing. There's like gay men and there's straight men. But is there a word for men who only date trans women? Yeah. Because But is that then a fetish?

Well, like a chaser? Well, well. Dylan Mulvaney always says chaser. Chaser. Yep. We call them, in our community, we do call them tranny chasers, but, which we can't really use the word, but I'm not offended by the word. But just because I'm not offended doesn't mean that somebody else is not offended. So let me retract that because T.S. Madison, you have a responsibility to know that this is a large platform.

You got to behave. we call them the t-word chasers but there is a term a new term that these the girls have come up with that describe men that have an attraction to trans women only and do you like that um at this big age i like a man that's attracted to me yeah i find that people who are only attracted to one very specific type of person to be that i find that always to be a little bit off-putting it's like women who only date a certain type of man or men who only date a certain type of woman or they're seeking the type and not the person it's not very yeah you know and so it feels crazy especially being that i am a well-endowed girl there are men because i did get into the porn

industry and shit like that and i did oh god i did so much shit you did a lot of sex work right I did. I did. How long did you do that for? A decade and a half. What was your experience and what is your takeaway now that you're so far out of it? My experience was I reshaped culture with it because I'm a black girl that cornered the market. And during the time of my, when I emerged, I emerged on the scene when there was, it was like a niche market.

and um i made sure that i capitalized off of me being voluptuous and hood and business savvy all wrapped in the same cloth and then told the other big name companies like um who i'm friends with now so if y'all watch this we're friends like groovy and bob's tea girls like a lot of these t-girl places i told them they couldn't have me you can't have me bitch because i'm motherfucking t.s madison i'm big dick bitch.com you can't have me you can't have me because i understand that my black skin is powerful i understand that my bbc is powerful and i understand that i know how to control that without having a machine control me so i took ownership of that and i made all the money without i removed the middleman i made all the money nice yeah and i didn't need them to do

any other things and so you know what i did though was i did lots of videos lots of raunchy like a lot of lots of little things that changed the way men saw trans women there is a lot of stuff that i don't regret it i or maybe i do do i i don't know let's find out when i'm approached by men now a lot of them be like oh my god i wanted to fuck you since i was 15 or like i've been watching you since i was 14 15 16 like you were my first trans i ever saw I was like oh shit or or we'll be out somewhere and then women women women like you got a big dick I seen it I was like girl like we were at the Emmys and this lady ran me down outside and she was the fucking homeless lady and she ran me down and she's like T.S. T.S. I want to take a

picture with you can I take a picture I was like yeah come on so I'm hugging him and she was like I've been I'm a big fan of yours and I when people tell me that I don't know what era they're I don't know what era but I start to get nervous and she was like girl you got a big dick I said oh Jesus Christ you're from that era you're from that era okay she says but I've been watching so long she says I love the way that you've just your trajectory I just love it but you still got that big old dick don't you and i'm like girl why are you asking me this at the emmys at the fucking emmys and then i meet people jerry o'connell is my good friend i love jerry that's that's my i love jerry he's a real hot mess yeah he is and i like that i love jerry

and so jerry and i were we did an episode of let me pick you up uh on the world of wonder created for me and we were in the car and i was saying all kind of crazy shit to jerry or whatever and i said jerry where's the first time that you saw me and it was so funny he said i found you online i never i didn't end of sentence listen i didn't i didn't even dig i was all shit i didn't dig for nothing or whatever and i was like because you know he was he's married to rebecca and i was like so uh well what did because we worked jerry myself and rebecca worked on a show called gay for play with rupaul and um he chose me as um his partner is what you call a partner and i was like well you tell rebecca that you would do my homeboy you know i ain't trying to own you know it was

just a joke people from all walks of life and it's just like there are times that i'm like fuck why did I do those little videos? What catapulted me. But why would you regret that? You know, when you get to a certain place, you don't want people to really see you. It's just because sometimes they can't let that go. But that's also erasure, in a sense.

Like you're erasing the person that helped you evolve to become the person that you are. So we can all look back at parts of our past that maybe we're not so proud of or that isn't representative of who we are today, but that doesn't negate that that's part of who brought us to where we are. I would argue that it's very important to think of our past as things that we wouldn't want to take back.

It's like a formula to become who you are today. I mean, I don't. If I had the chance to do it all again, I would probably tweak it, but do it. Well, we would all fucking tweak it, baby. I would tweak it. We would all be tweaking. But I didn't say I would erase it.

I would tweak it a little bit, but you know what I'm saying? I'd be like, ooh, shit, you know, especially knowing what I know now. But it's just sometimes it gets weird. It feels weird, like, sometimes, like, when I'm, like, if I'm at a gathering and a guy is like, oh, God, I just want to suck your fucking dick. And I'm like, here, like, or they'll tell me, I remember this video you was, I was like, I remember that video. I don't want to talk about that here. Yeah, okay. Like, I don't want to do that here.

Well, if it makes you feel any better, I have DMs telling me the same things all day long. I just posted a carousel of DMs of men telling me how much pussy they want a lick of mine and eat me from the back. These are men I've never met before. So I feel like men in general just are having, they feel comfortable saying these things to women

anywhere, anytime, anyplace. And again, I really don't think that's on you. Okay, good. because why would you fucking bring that up at the Emmys at the Emmys why would you

that's on you too well the lady told me that it's the women okay well so because women want to fuck me too yeah

and that's okay you know I'm saying so it's like I've been approached by women men other fucking trans women but you're only into men

right yeah you're into men do you have a boyfriend like a serious person in your life I'm very into freedom now

okay I used to want to be but now I'm into freedom I feel like that everybody should know that I'm a whore when I want to be. And then when I want to be cuddled, I chose you to cuddle with. And can I ask you something? This is a crude question. I love it crude.

Okay. So do you like to be penetrated and to penetrate? Ooh, thank you for asking me this, Chelsea. Now I can explain. Great. I know our listeners are... Now I can explain. For my freak-offs, I'm open.

I'm a mattress. I will flip over. I'm a pancake. Pancake me, motherfucker. I will flip over, flip me. But that Puerto Rican guy did that to me. That's why that I got into the flipping. Because at one point I was like, oh, don't do that, you know.

And then the Puerto Rican guy that told you was like, girl, you're beautiful. Use that. And he got on it and rode that shit like a fucking cowboy. Right. And you liked that. I liked that. But, you know, that was a freak off. Okay.

Now, a gentleman, and this is problematic, so I'm telling y'all now, I'm looking in your eyes to tell y'all, what I'm getting ready to say is problematic. So don't get in the comments and don't go doing all these dissertations about this shit. It's problematic what I'm getting ready to say. That's my disclaimer. for my personal I like my man to fuck me to death and I don't need him

to be into my penis I just need him to understand that it's there you know I don't need you to be into it he don't gotta touch it

he don't gotta suck it now if he suck it that's I'm alright with that now if he starts bending over for me to fuck him now we're in

the freak sessions now oh okay got it and now like I don't want you to. I don't want to be your girl because now you want me to fuck you in the ass, which I will. I'm not ass phobic. I will hit that.

But I'm not going to marry that. It feels like the world is your oyster. That's how I feel. I mean, so many. Really? Yeah. Really kind of this is very illuminating. And I really appreciate your candor because having to ask you to explain this kind of feels like annoying.

it's kind of like having to ask a black person to explain racism and i don't want to put that on you so i really appreciate you your openness and explaining your personal experience because i know there's a lot of people listening that feel like you have to choose one bucket or the other bucket and even in the trans community it's like you have to be a full woman or you have to have bottom surgery or top surgery so i think this is a very i don't want to do it i don't want to adhere to any rules and regulations i don't want to do it i had i've i had to do it as a kid i had to you know you got to do it in the church you got to do it over here it's like god damn it i just want to be free do you feel free i do yeah i don't feel bound to anything i don't and i'm never going

to let anything bind me ever again like you're not going to tell me well i'm not a real this because no bitch i'm real because this is i said i'm real you're not going to tell me that i need to have this in order to, no, I don't. You know what I'm saying? Like to be complete, I'm complete. I complete me. I complete me. It took a while because you're over there like,

oh shit, like, oh my God, well, you know. And this is why I don't surround myself with people who are incomplete. I don't surround myself with people who are incomplete because they can influence you. when like even after you you've gotten your first surgery you know what if I would if I would pinch my nose just a little bit more if that's why my ass is so fucking big and my hips are so big because I was walking the streets back in the day and it was like the bigger your body is

the more scars you'll stop and it's just like now you're competing with all the girls who you know I'm saying who well her ass is bigger so you got to go bigger than her her titties are bigger or her nose is smaller so that makes her look really like bitch you got to get to some point where you're satisfied which with you and that's why i'm open about me talking about my bottom because you know now there there are some girls that will not and that's them and that's okay i'm comfortable with however it feels because i'm i'm i'm totally complete with me So I talk about my bottom. And I talk about that not to lots of females like to tell me, bitch, you'll never be a woman because you'll never have a pussy. You're mad at me because I have a real pussy. You want to have a real pussy. And I always explain to them, well, I named myself Big Dick Bitch because I don't want to have a pussy and I'm okay with me having a cock.

And I am still she, her, and hers. And I'm cool with that. And I'm cool with what likes me. I am fine with what's attracted to me. 99.9999 percent of gay men are not attracted to me because my presentation is women you don't see this until the panties come down sometimes when the panties are down there are men that's like no I don't want that I want the presentation it's okay that it's there but i don't want that okay so that's just how it works i'm still she to him

where people say well you're not a she until this is gone no i'm a she here i'm a her here i'm also a her here because when it's being played or toyed around with I call it a she-ness S-H-E-I-N-S She-ness Thank you for spelling that for us In case we couldn't figure that fucking out Make that the title of this episode

Can you spell she-ness Behind every night spent Making the kids lunches There's a lot of suspense Will they finally eat the veggies Will the pesto survive the first bite Will the lunchbox come home empty half full or come home at all and will you finish episode eight before you're done slicing the

cucumbers get bell pure fiber internet with crave netflix and disney plus from 94 a month price guaranteed for two years on internet with a two-year term and auto pay credit visit bell.ca for details and to check availability bell connection is everything when i was 14 years old i was kidnapped and held captive for nine months i survived and i've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them i'm elizabeth smart and these are the survivor files i just remember this low taunting voice next to my ear saying shut up don't say anything every week i'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable i knew if he woke up without a doubt he was going to hurt me i started feeling that there was someone at the end of my

bed and I just started screaming. They are abducted, stalked, controlled, and nearly silenced. But these aren't stories about what's taken from them. They're stories about what it takes to make it out alive. Listen to The Survivor Files with Elizabeth Smart on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If your bookshelf and your For You page are equally important to your personality, welcome home. This is Prose Society, the weekly podcast that's part book club, part group chat for thought daughters, pop culture obsessives, and anyone who thinks Pride and Prejudice and Love Island deserve the same level of discourse. I'm Eli Rallo, and every week we're connecting the dots between books,

the internet, and the conversations everyone can't stop having. I'm going to have to look up this story. I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed. From best-selling authors and your favorite book talk creators to the latest pop culture moments, nothing is off the table. It's like if you can hide some real messages inside compelling characters, then that is a Trojan horse. Whether you're looking for literary deep dives, smart pop culture conversations, or a community of readers who love to think a little too much, you're in the right place. Listen to Pro Society on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. See you between the pages. On the new podcast, Solita, we share the messy reality of traveling alone as a woman.

I can wait four hours for the next bus or this random dude is offering me a ride on his motorcycle. I chose option B. I'm Julie Pinheiro and I travel by myself because it's a rare space where I can say yes without asking anyone else first. I'm on a mission to reclaim the word solita, trading the pity for possibility. Every time I tried to be alone, I kept meeting people and they were like, you smiled at us. Not a lot of people smile around here. It's when you're alone that you're most receptive to the world as it is and not the lies you're sold about it. It can be a time where you push your limits, change your mind, or wake up to a new version of yourself.

So whether you're a solo travel veteran or you're too nervous to book your first trip, I hope you listen to Solita on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This conversation is more enlightening than our Neil deGrasse Tyson conversation about quantum physics. Honestly, this is so enlightening. I'm learning so much. I really appreciate it. It's really good to understand that there are so many different variations. And what you're saying, paramount to everything, is for any young person who is struggling with their identity and what they're supposed to do if they transition, it's like you're giving a license to people to take what they want and don't take what they want.

To be who you are in your head is more important than any of the physical stuff. That's it. Because you have to know. You can't let other people know for you. You have to know. and you gotta know when to stop like like all the mistakes sometimes i look at my body and i'm like master you made that mistake because you was trying to compete with this bitch over here master you got this scar over here you wouldn't have had this scar girl on you on your leg or

your hip or on your you wouldn't have had this stuff if you wouldn't have been if you would have just settled in your mind you knew you were good you knew that and there are scars that i have of my body that i that i that i kept like i didn't go get a skin graft for certain things because i because i got girl just i don't know how long we got but i got a whole story i got silicone poisoned oh god all kind of shit i have scars on me that i could have went and got skin grafted could have got it but i i make sure that i stand in the mirror when i'm naked to remind myself bitch you are who you are you got that scar because you were trying to be this you got that scar because you were trying to be that look at your scars as reminders of bitch be exactly who

you are living exactly who the fuck you are and bitch so that you don't scar yourself again right remember that and so that's why when shit we were all over the place but we'll get it together that's why when Beyonce did cozy and added me to that song and I listened to the lyrics and I and I was able to chant that and this is a recording that you made in your own house right my own house during the George Floyd protest yes right after his murder right after his murder yes you know it was me protesting about me being black me being trans me and I can't separate the two because sometimes in my community in the black community it's like like well you're not black enough because you're trans now or you're not really black because you're gay and it's like

what the fuck i'm black we're i'm black and trans at the same time i'm not separately at the same time and so when she was talking about being comfortable in the skin cozy with who you are and when she was saying i look at the scars i'm out i was just like oh my god she's singing it's about me this is about me because I talk about the scars on my body I talk about the things that I've been through in my life I talk about the scars of of of being told that I'm gonna burn in hell and and and and going through my entire life trying to fit everybody else's idea of what you know what is right when my idea of me is right it's right i'm not hurting anybody i'm not trying to confuse anybody i'm up front and i just feel like that

i'm where i need to be was there any point in your life that you got advice that was invaluable from anyone? RuPaul told me, T.S. Madison, don't you ever be too big for the small things because the small things will get you through when the big things aren't calling. And she said,

because what you got to understand, some other bitch will come through and get that small thing and become really big and you'll regret it. I was like, what the fuck? That's great advice. We're going to give advice. Are you ready to give advice?

We have callers and people calling in. Okay, call in. Oh, yes. I'm ready to call in. Call in to the door. Okay. Chelsea, I just want to say I love you, though. Oh, I love you.

Kendra, listen. Listen, I'm in... The reason why I'm so... It's because I'm with Chelsea fucking Handler. Oh, I love you, too. Do you understand, girl, that I've watched... I used to tell World of Wonder, because world of wonder is is the people who kind of like really discover me and push me

i said when you guys make me a show i want you to take the the formula from chelsea and i want to do a night show like this i need to be able to be crass i need to be able to say pussy yeah dick i need to be able to just be well obviously it's still a working problem you just reminded me of all the the legal battles that we would get into with the use of language like you could say you could say somebody was jerking off but you couldn't call someone a jerk off they actually had to be like the act of jerking like all the semantics around the language you just reminded me of the legal arguments we would get in daily which now i think would be a moot point because language is whatever nobody gives a shit anymore if who's cursing i didn't know you

were going through stuff like that oh yeah yeah we would fight all the time they fucking hated me he would be like oh my god because i was like i would never back down you know i was like no this is a comedy show these aren't serious issues and you know the legal people would be very serious it would be like well you can say rim job but it has to be an actual rim job i'm like what's it do you know what a rim job is sir i'm like you mean like on a car or like an actual so we would just have these really silly but it was always really fun you know but you don't know how you change the the perception of censorship for me because i was like well chelsea is she says it i would be sitting there like bitch say this shit say that shit say that shit because i'm gonna say

that motherfucking shit too it's fun to say it yes and it's just like you said you did it you you you would read and you didn't give a fuck you Joan it's like this this was stuff that I was just like I gotta I want to be able to do this you know because this is me and I just always wanted to tell you when I had the opportunity I was like bitch thank you oh thank you thank you I love to hear that that's really special thank you I like a I like a foul mouth mother you like a foul mouth white bitch yeah baby you know sometimes there are things that you're gonna say and you know you're gonna say them like and sometimes like when i'm like i have a speech prepared and there's just like certain lines you just can't wait to get out of your mouth just to call someone on their shit

right to their face like i love that feeling i mean men are just you know it's it's it's like not all men obviously but men all of them all of them somebody said i read i somebody sent me this Instagram thing yesterday, this beautiful British woman was talking about what the problem is with men right now. And the men, and it's like their identity used to be enough. Just being a man was enough. So the problem is that they have to come up with these other qualities. They have to be caring. They have to be actually talented. You can't just get by on being a man. And that's where this cultural shift that we're all seeing and this anger and violence against women, which we've experienced you know since the beginning of time but there's a real din right now the way men talk

about women the way men you know degrade women and they're like the roe v wade all of it is just like whoa whoa whoa if you guys are being treated in the same way we are then that means we actually have to step up our game and do something more than we're doing yes but i hate to say all men because I have to get fucked at some point by some men, you know what I mean? They will still fuck me, that's true. And here's the thing, Chelsea, I say this, which he gets very infuriated

when he watches my show, he says that I bash men. And it's like, no, I don't bash them because I love men. But I'm still going to say that I think that men love pussy more than women. Yeah, for sure, absolutely. They love pussy more than women.

It's a mental, that's it. Fuck, like, let me get my dick in something and fucking bust a nut. That's, of course. But there are men that do love women. Yeah, they do. I mean, I don't think that they don't love them. Right, right. Because when you start saying that, because they start saying, like, oh, you're saying I'm gay.

No, no, we're not saying that. No, I'm not saying you're gay. No, I'm not saying you're gay. Tell me. That would be better, by the way. Tell me when was the last time that you actually laid in the bed with a woman and just listened to her tell you about what's going on inside of her body. And the changes that she feels like, you know, like what's going on in her vagina or if she if whatever. When have you bonded with that or all your period on?

OK, well, I got to go fuck me somebody else while your period. You think I'm going to wait seven days or you think I'm going to wait this long time to your period go off and I'm going to go fuck me another pussy. no why don't you why why are you not there nurturing her during that time and taking care of her during that time no you like you you love her but you love her pussy more because if you can't get that pussy you're gonna go get you another piece of pussy in the process and that doesn't mean and it's like like because i have a lot of straight men around me and i'm like sir you like pussy and that's fine you don't really know her you don't know her you don't know how her day is you don't know how she feels on the inside you don't know her and she knows you she

could tell you what the fuck is wrong with you she could tell you when you well she could tell when you cheating on her because the dick is acting crazy because she's connected to you you don't share that same type of connection and then it's like they get angry with me when I say you really don't like women like that you like pussy let's see okay well let's move on to our questions now behind every night spent making the kids lunches there's a lot of suspense will they finally eat the veggies will the pesto survive the first bite will the lunchbox come home empty half full or come home at all and will you finish episode eight before you're done slicing the cucumbers get bell pure fiber internet with crave netflix and disney plus from 94 a month price

guaranteed for two years on internet with a two-year term and auto pay credit visit bell.ca for details and to check availability. Bell. Connection is everything. When I was 14 years old, I was kidnapped and held captive for nine months. I survived, and I've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them. I'm Elizabeth Smart, and these are The Survivor Files.

I just remember this low, taunting voice next to my ear saying, shut up, don't say anything. every week i'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable i knew if he woke up without a doubt he was going to hurt me i started feeling that there was someone at the end of my bed and i just started screaming they are abducted stalked controlled and nearly silenced but these aren't stories about what's taken from them they're stories about what it takes to make it out alive. Listen to The Survivor Files with Elizabeth Smart on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If your bookshelf and your For You page are

equally important to your personality, welcome home. This is Prose Society, the weekly podcast that's part book club, part group chat for thought daughters, pop culture obsessives, and anyone who thinks Pride and Prejudice and Love Island deserve the same level of discourse. I'm Eli Rallo, and every week we're connecting the dots between books, the internet, and the conversations everyone can't stop having. I'm going to have to look up this story. I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed. From best-selling authors and your favorite book talk creators to the latest pop culture moments, nothing is off the table.

It's like if you can hide some real messages inside compelling characters, then that is a Trojan horse. Whether you're looking for literary deep dives, smart pop culture conversations, or a community of readers who love to think a little too much, you're in the right place. Listen to Pro Society on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. See you between the pages.

Hey, this is Hayes Davenport. And Sean Clements. We host the podcast Hollywood Handbook on the Big Money Players Network. Our show is extremely accessible to first-time listeners. Each week, we talk to someone in show business, a.k.a. the biz, and try to help them with their careers and see what they have to offer us. Everyone has a good time and no one gets mad at their publicist for letting them do our show. We've had a lot of great guests like Sarah Sherman, not that great.

Actually, can you help me shape this? How about we flip it on its head? How about we flip the script? What if the surprise woman, who actually you think is the straight man, is actually the one who's acting weird? Adam Scott. this entire time you've been expecting adam sandler to come to visit the show i i would never let go of that i have i would never set expectations for something like that it seems like if the universe allows for something like that to happen i'm open to it i'm always going

to accept you know danny mcbride fine yeah it's all this fragile masculinity exuding i could smell at walking down the hallway to be honest with you i was like is that weed nope it's fragile masculinity ben stiller no because a lot of times in out of context people don't get it or even know what a circle is you know what i mean like they're like oh what's this everyone's so dumb and fake right fake and and also not interested or just like oh i've got my life i don't care about your life and a lot of other big shots that wouldn't be where they are without us oh and by the way will ferrell told us personally he loves the show and he wants to be a guest on every episode but he's just so busy listen to hollywood handbook on the iheart radio app

apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts our first caller today is sila bay and her question is about whether she should hook up with a younger man dear chelsea i recently turned 30 and got out of a relationship that absolutely leveled me since then i found myself at a strange crossroads For years, I dated the kinds of men you're supposed to date. Older, successful, wealthy, great jobs, great families, the kinds of men who can book a flight before you've even finished saying where you want to go. I spent years in Miami, which I believe legally counts as a graduate degree, and dating rich older men.

And it's not like I sought them out, it's just that those were the kinds of men who pursued me. The problem is that now, whenever one of these types of men tries to woo me with gifts, luxury travel, or expensive dinners, I get the ick so aggressively that I practically need medical attention. meanwhile I was recently talking to a 25 year old who is objectively less qualified on paper but somehow made me feel more excited than the guy offering to fly me to Tuscany I called things off with him but for the first time in my life I'm wondering if I've been choosing partners based

on resumes instead of chemistry part of me thinks it's time to date hot younger guys have fun and stop treating my love life like I'm hiring a CFO the other part of me wonders if women are sold a fantasy about having fun and whether that actually ends up being fulfilling so my question is after a big heartbreak, how do you know whether you're finally listening to yourself or just temporarily losing your mind? Love, a woman who spent her 20s dating balance sheets and is suddenly interested in personalities, Selah Bae. Hi, Selah Bae. Hi, Selah Bae. This is our special guest today. T.S. Madison is here. Hi, Selah. So nice to meet you guys. Nice to meet you too. Happy Pride. Oh, yeah. Happy Pride. Thank you. Thank you. I think you should have a good time. I think whenever you

have a pattern of behavior that didn't work out and it was a pattern like and you recognized it you should really just change up that pattern and like toss it out the window and just go for it in terms of doing the exact opposite of what you've done in the past and have a good time without any expectations and stop looking at it at the end result like stop looking at the outcome of a relationship before it happens we agree don't look at every person as a potential partner for life look at them as an experience in life like everyone is an experience if you don't put so much weight on it and it's always worthwhile to break up a pattern that was good advice I think that you should always fuck young date rich that's just it

fuck young and date rich yeah now you have to find a young rich guy no I think that you can do that whatever but it's also nice to find out like there might be other attributes and qualities you really like in people that you don't even know about yet yeah see you want the money girl you want the money you want the money maybe she'll make her own money girl nobody wants to make their own girl take their money fucking money i know you do i have you have your own money but i took some of those men so that's what you should do you should fuck young date rich and always keep you an investment account account on the side you know i'm saying an offshore account oh sure and when you get older you know you you're gonna find well here's the thing when you get older

you're gonna find yourself being that rich woman that's like you you're probably gonna buy you a piece of dick here and there because you're gonna feel power it's gonna make you powerful you're gonna feel powerful like girl like they become expendable and then you start noticing the Patterns that men don't really change. And I'm not bashing men because I don't want to date anything else but a man. But you just got to call a thing a thing. Like men were bred to roam. That's why you always get the rich ones.

And if you settle with the rich ones, you understand. And you fuck the young ones. Get into poly. Are you into poly? No, no, I don't think so. I could have told you no on that. Girl, why are you not into Polly? Just based on what she's wearing and the way her hair is styled.

She is not into Polly. Girl, try Polly. So despierta te. I don't think I have the energy. Yeah, that's the difference between men and women is that most women don't have the fucking energy for that. Polyandry. Polyamory. Polyandry is when the woman has multiple husbands that's married to her.

They don't cheat on her. Oh. That's polyandry. But who cares if they're cheating anyway? Like Miss Andri. Miss Andri, yes, yeah. So I feel like I dated so strategically, like don't worry, I've got the high yield,

the brokerage, the SEP IRA, Roth IRA, got the money on deck because of dating so strategically for so long and making my own money. And so I guess it's kind of like, do I just like let my hair down and just like- Yes, have some fun. Have some fun.

You don't know what you're missing because you don't know, you've been so focused on one like area and one zone that like open broaden your horizons you might come back yeah open it up open up the field and just like let anybody in that seems to like strike an interest in you as long as you're not paying for anything i agree like make sure that whoever you're dating or marry like they can't touch your money yeah yeah we're getting i think she's all right she knows what's up with money like she's the one who's looking for people for their money. She's not going to be a victim of someone

trying to get her money. She's on top of it. It can happen and it has happened but she seems to be pretty on top of it. I think you should just open like just go into a casual mode of dating and date multiple people and have a good time and see what's out there that you

don't know that you like. And be honest and tell them because what I find is when you tell a man that you're dating I need to see who's going to vie for the title. when you tell them like yeah like oh i'm dating somebody else it's like oh i'm not good i'm not enough well show me that you can be enough yeah the way that you defeat men is you take from their

playbook the only way that you are able to really control a man is if you match a match a man's energy with his all men worship me if they don't worship me out of it that's not my man and i'm gonna tell him i have another friend another guy another gentleman because listen that's what he's he's he's hiding that from me sir don't don't don't flip your phone over don't hide your phone don't put it on silent let it ring because i'm gonna let mine ring okay so i should definitely hit up this 25 year old because i turned it off because i was like i don't know it's like the future and his career and like who gives a shit just stop with that right now you've already done that just take like a six month sabbatical and have as much fun as

possible okay period and have him on his he has to be on his knees and so he will be he's 25 maybe with a leash on too yes great that's great introduce a leash awesome thank you thank you thank you bye that's really two opposite ends of the spectrum of advice we really offered her the whole spectrum we're like listen bitch but we're like oh You can do this or you can do this. Yeah. But make sure that she is being paid. Yeah.

I mean, it doesn't matter. We got your message. She needs to be getting paid for her work, loud and clear. Well, our next caller is Jessica, and she says, you're Chelsea. I'm a 35-year-old single woman, and in February 2025, I had a bilateral salpingectomy because I am absolutely certain I do not want children. So before the surgery, I- What is that word?

i think it's the fallopian tubes taken out okay but it's basically she got sterilized okay so before the surgery i constantly ran into men who assumed i would eventually change my mind about having children some told me i was too young to know for sure others seemed convinced that if i met the right guy i'd suddenly develop the desire to become a mother part of the reason i chose permanent sterilization was because i wanted to remove any ambiguity i wasn't on the fence i wasn't waiting to be persuaded, and I wasn't looking for someone to change my mind. And yet, somehow, this didn't solve the problem. Even though I'm very clear on my dating profiles that I don't want children, I keep matching with men who want kids, aren't sure if they want kids,

or think my life choices are the opening bid in a negotiation. The most recent guy told me he didn't want children either. Later, I found out he had actually fathered a child with a woman he hooked up with in Mexico. His explanation was that because he wasn't involved in the child's life, he considered himself child-free. I nearly sprained an eyeball rolling it. How do I find a partner who genuinely wants the same child-free life I do? Is there some secret screening question I'm missing, or am I destined to spend every first date conducting a deposition and presenting evidence that I really, truly, actually mean it when I say I don't want kids? Sincerely, Jessica. Hi, Jessica.

Hello. Thanks for having me. Oh, sure. This is T.S. Madison, our special guest hi Jessica how are you great how are you I'm sitting like Puerto Rican right now Puerto Rican what does your dating profile say maybe it needs to be bolder like this is a non-negotiable issue I will not and am not having any children it's not physically possible so that please don't come to me unless you're on the exact same page right now my dating profile says that I don't want children. It doesn't say it's a non-negotiable. I think I'm just being a little too nice out there. Yeah, you seem already too nice. So you have to be very straightforward with people, very direct in these circumstances, because you don't want anyone approaching you

that you're going to go on three dates with and then have the same conversation. That's a waste of your time. So just cut out the waste. Make it very clear. Like this is not possible physically and I have no desire so I made it impossible so if you're on the same page and want to live a life without children please let me know but we're not having a conversation about it yeah and because men like can't be arsed to read your whole profile I would also like as you're chatting with someone before taking the time to meet up with them I would just be like hey I just like to check because like I'm so not on board with having kids like are you in the same place or are you sort of waffle you know just like double check before you waste your time on some guy right

yeah i'm like i'm letting katherine finish honey i'm saying watch this sister listen to me thoroughly okay you have to understand that men send the representative first so the first person that you meet is the shell of the person it's it's it's who they you know i'm saying it's like who they think that you want them to know who they are. Let them talk, let them talk, let them explain, you know, rub their balls, not literally, but just, you know, stroke them, get them to just like talk. So they'll tell you if they want kids or how they feel about kids or, you know, or how they feel about listen the anytime that I meet men I always just let them I never tell them what I like sexually I never tell them what I like you know physically I let them do because this is

naturally who they are this is naturally what they are and if the moment that you start telling them stuff or you start they'll they'll try to conform to that and try to make you comfortable so they can get in bed with you and then later on you'll find out well I wanted kids anyway but just let them talk you know sometimes they'll tell you shit i got four kids of my own i don't even want no more kids no more it's like okay so what's so where how many how many how many mothers are there you know there's two so okay so what i'm finding out is that you have four kids two relationships didn't work out you father took it and now you're gone and now you're a single man over here with with you you you kick it with the the family and the kid okay now you're not the dude for me

You might not be the one for me because you, you, you know, whatever, or whatever it is that you, however you feel, you know, whatever you're looking for, don't tell them what you're looking for. Let them tell you who they are. My profile is blank. If I'm on a date, it's blank. 36, 24, 36, 10. I like that. I like that. Whatever.

We'll talk about the rest of it. I'm 36, 24, 36, 10. If you can't figure out what that 10 is, then that means you're not reading the profile right. Anyway, I think you have your marching orders. You have to be more direct and don't worry about being nice. Listen, we don't have time for that anymore. Yeah, no.

You just have to be direct with people and you have to be overly direct because this is your future. You're looking to find a partner. So it's better just to get all of the chit-chat out of the way and save yourself some time from going on dates with people who aren't on the same page. And also, kudos to you for knowing what you wanted and making it happen.

Yeah, good for you for getting that done. I'm sure more women knew. I had an ablation, which is basically they scorch your uterus. What's the procedure that you referenced in your letter? Bilateral self-injectomy, so it's removing the fallopian tubes. Oh, good for you. That sounds very sexy. So you don't want any children at all?

What, are you going to have a little one through her procedure? It's a wrap. There's nothing happening there. And that's because she just never wanted any kids. No, no. You keep your 10 inches away from her. She doesn't want a baby. Would you be a stepmom?

No. It's a movement. It's happening, people. It's a movement. Awesome. Thank you, Jessica. Thanks, Jessica. Have a great day.

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