Life Will Be the Death of Me with Chelsea Handler - Can’t Vape While You’re Pregnant with Rosebud Baker

Episode Date: February 22, 2024

Rosebud Baker joins Chelsea to talk about the body torture of pregnancy, her husband stealing her post-partum thunder, and her new set on Netflix’s Verified Stand-Up (which she filmed while 8 months pregnant).  Then: A woman is terrified of having a second child.  A 20-something struggles to find the right time for the DTR (defining-the-relationship convo).  And a daughter wrestles with the decision to out her Grandmother’s cheating ways.   * Need some advice from Chelsea? Email us at [e-mail] * Executive Producer Catherine Law Edited & Engineered by Brad Dickert * * * * * The views and opinions expressed are solely those of the Podcast author, or individuals participating in the Podcast, and do not represent the opinions of iHeartMedia or its employees.  This Podcast should not be used as medical advice, mental health advice, mental health counseling or therapy, or as imparting any health care recommendations at all.  Individuals are advised to seek independent medical, counseling advice and/or therapy from a competent health care professional with respect to any medical condition, mental health issues, health inquiry or matter, including matters discussed on this Podcast. Guests and listeners should not rely on matters discussed in the Podcast and shall not act or shall refrain from acting based on information contained in the Podcast without first seeking independent medical advice.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to Hollywood Handbook on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, Catherine. Hi, Chelsea. How are you? I'm good. I'm just here in Whistler, just whistling in Whistler. Is it snowing or raining behind you? I can't quite tell. It was snowing and it turned to rain, which has been the saga of this whole season.

It's supposed to be freezing temperatures so that it's snow, not rain. So when the freezing levels are higher and higher and higher, that means anything beneath that is wetter and wetter and wetter. Then it just turns to ice? Yes. It just ruins the snow, basically. And then it gets cold and it freezes the snow and then it turns into ice. So I'm basically a meteorologist now. I mean, just add it to your list of skills.

Yeah, I'm adding that as well as dog training. I've become very regimented in my dog training. Doug has an entire situation going. He has a life coach. He has a dog walker. He goes out three times a week. She picks him up at nine and brings him back at noon. And then, I mean, yeah, my neighbor was like, hey, can Doug and his dog play, have a play date?

And I'm like, his schedule is packed during the day. I'm like, if you want Doug, you have to come at night. And he's like, OK, I'm going to come at 6 to pick up Doug because they play so nicely on the ski hill. And I was like, OK, let me know any other nights you want to come get him. His social calendar is so full. He has a lot of social activities. I feel like a soccer mom. Everyone wants playdates with him.

I'm like, we don't do one-on-ones. We only do group playdates. He doesn't have time for anything else. Well, you have a birthday coming up. I do. I filmed my ski video yesterday. Oh, exciting. Some special guests in that ski video.

oh that'll be new and exciting for for this year yeah exactly i was actually going to be like fuck it because the weather's been so shitty and the snow's been kind of crappy i was like oh fuck the video and then my friends were like you can't do that you have to do the video it's tradition it is tradition but i also know that you're reading a fun new book that i just finished yes you guys we have to tease kristin hannah author of the great alone the book that i gave out to everyone as my christmas gift along with uh atomic habits which is a book i actually haven't read yet but I heard great things about and I've read great things about it. I've read everything but the book. But Kristen Hanna wrote The Great Alone and she wrote this new book. She wrote The Nightingale.

She wrote a bunch of books. And the most recent book is called The Women, which I am currently reading. And we are having her on the podcast soon. So for all of our listeners who read The Great Alone and loved it, please read The Women to prepare for our interview with Kristen Hanna. Yeah, it's fantastic. It's like her books are very long, but they're like you just consume them because her character is like super vivid. Yeah. Awesome. And we have a special guest today, which is one of my favorite people. She's a comedian. She has a bunch of, she has her own podcast too. And she is a new mother. Please welcome Rosebud Baker. Rosebud is back for her second, well, it's the second coming of Christ, really. She is back as a second time guest

because we loved her so much the first time. And there's a pretty major update that has happened in Rosebud's life. If you don't follow Rosebud on social, well, you should. And you should also watch her comedy specials. You have two on YouTube, right? I have one on YouTube,

two shorter sets on Netflix. Yeah. Okay. And then you have one on Comedy Central, right? Well, it's on Comedy Central's YouTube. It's called Whiskey Fist. Anyway, Rosebud, against my better judgment, decided to procreate.

And when I have known her now for a few years, I've had the pleasure of knowing her for a few years. She's also a writer on SNL. So that's actually very much worth mentioning. She is a married woman who I met, because she's a very talented writer. And she was talking to me, I think she was opening for me on a couple of standup dates, and we were discussing freezing your eggs. And I was trying to dissuade you from ever doing such a thing. And that it was not necessary to procreate because I assumed you were like more like me in really, because I felt like you were on the fence and I always feel like if anyone's on the fence, don't do it with children. Like you should be a hundred thousand percent excited. And you were on the fence. And

I was like, if you have any question, there's no question back it up. And then you and I are different in that way. And that I feel like if you're a hundred percent into having kids, you haven't thought it through like if you're a hundred percent into it stop and think for a second you know what i mean but i but valid yeah and i i remember you saying like oh you don't have and i and i felt i was i was kind of like well we'll see we'll see and then i rose embryos because i was like i wasn't sure and then i got pregnant while i had covid like right after freezing the oh so interesting got a little frisky while you were sick it was against your better judgment and mine yeah and dr fauci's and dr fauci's so okay so since then she's had a baby and she has fallen

madly in love with her baby and i want to fucking hear all about it rosebud okay i want to hear from everything because i know your pregnancy first of all your pregnancy looked very uncomfortable for me. Watching you expand like that. She was on stage, I think up until probably like a week before you gave birth, right? Or was it even closer to your birthday? It was not. No, it wasn't a week, but I think I was like 36 weeks was the last time I was on stage. And then I went until 39 weeks. So it was like three weeks I was down. But yeah, it sucked. Okay. So I look at what you did as something that like, if I were ever to do it, I feel like I would have a similar experience that you did because of your attitude towards pretty much everything. Yeah. So take us through

it. Take us through the pregnancy. Take us through the news of becoming pregnant and all of that stuff. I want to know like what your rollercoaster of emotions or if it wasn't a rollercoaster of emotion. No, it was 100% a rollercoaster of emotion. And it's an absolute, I just want to be clear not for everybody but for me pregnancy was a no less than body torture that went on for nine months it's bad when it starts and then it gets a little better but by the end I was like oh this is what makes it possible to give birth is that you're so miserable that you're like I'll do anything to get them out like that's what makes it possible is just the amount of physical discomfort you're in it kind of like gives you this willingness to just go to do whatever you're

like I'll cut it out myself if this is where we're headed you know which is where you're headed which is where we're headed yeah so when I found out I was pregnant I was like oh well this sort of messes up the plan you know yeah because rosebud's career is really on the upswing you're taking off you're getting the credit you deserve and you only have your whole career ahead of you so also like not great timing for a lot of people's mentality in this business right people don't want to have kids until they're completely situated in their success exactly a lot of people are scared to do yeah but not you well I was scared I was are you smoking right now yeah I'm vaping I'm back to she also couldn't do that while pregnant I I decided not to breastfeed because

it's not for me wanted to vape and I also wanted to vape that's the truth and I was like I've done enough you know I carried her you're sober you don't have any alcoholic or like addiction you can lean on except for vaping, except for this. And so I, and the whole time that I quit, I was like, people were like, so are you quit for good? And I said, from the very beginning of my pregnancy until right now, I said, I'm going to go back the second that I can. And I was true to my word. Yeah. So yeah, I think here's one thing that my attitude has given me is like an unwavering faith that whatever decision I make is the right decision. And I, I don't care about people's opinions about it. I don't, I'm going to do what I want to do because a happy mom is a better mom

than a mom that is miserable and a martyr. So I am just not, I'm not into that. And that's not the kind of mom I'm going to be. So what was the most uncomfortable part about the back to the pregnancy? Was it the weight gain? Was it was it indigestion? Like what was the part that was just so unbearable? It was that the weight of my baby caused my hips, my there's a joint that connects your pelvis in the front. And the weight of my baby was such that and because your ligaments loosen up in pregnancy, my hips actually split. And so it just felt like my hip, my entire pelvis felt like a barrel of loose bones so by the end of my pregnancy I truly couldn't walk and the worst part about it was that they had no solution I went in and I was like hey it feels like my pussy's

gonna fall out of my asshole and I need something for this and they were like support yeah they said well you could just tape your hips together with this disgusting elastic underwear that's just medical underwear. So not only did I feel less sexy than I'd ever felt in my life, they also added medical underwear to that equation, which made it not the most glowing I've ever felt. And there are women that glow during pregnancy. I was not one of those women. It doesn't look good on me. It doesn't feel good on me. I fucking hated it from beginning to end. But by the time it was over, I was like, this was a hundred percent worth it. I love my baby. It took some time. It wasn't immediate. To love her? Yes. Okay. Tell us about that. I mean, I, it didn't take some time

to love her. I loved her the second, it was weird. Like I would have died for her, but I couldn't tell you why, because she didn't do anything. Like she was truly like a blob and it's like having a pet turtle for a while you're just kind of staring at them and they don't do anything and you're like did I I ruined my life I ruined my life and I don't know what I'm doing and I liked my life before and what have I done and then one day they smile at you and it's like the whole thing changes now it feels like I have seltzer in my veins when I think about her that's how much I love her. And I get excited to go home, which was not the case when it was just a husband. Okay. Now I get excited. I'm so pumped. I get to talk to her. She smiles back at me like

every day. It's a new thing. But for a while, it was really rough. And I was nervous about that time because I was like, I knew it was coming. Like I knew that when she was here, I was going to have a real identity crisis that I wasn't, that nothing could have prepared me for. And so while it was happening, even being aware of it didn't help. Like I was just like, oh my God. And plus I was so raw. You're just an open wound walking around. Did you have a natural childbirth or did you get an epidural? I mean, I don't know. You're sober. I don't know what the rules are. I would I assume you could get the one time drugs are legally allowed to get in your body, yet that you would take that opportunity. Yes, obviously.

OK. I said to the doctors, I don't want to push for one fucking second. I said, I am calling to schedule a C-section. I was 20 weeks when I called schedule a C-section. And they were like, well, you could give birth naturally. And I said, I have no interest. I want to know when I'm giving birth. I want there to be a deadline.

And I want to go in there and I want a full spinal tap. I just want you to present my baby like a bottle of wine and just say, here she is. And it was really lovely. I mean, I really, really loved my labor. It was like, I went in, I laid down, they gave me a baby, and then I was paralyzed for three days. And it was fantastic. That's perfect. That sounds like a procedure I would want without the end result being a baby, though. Yes. You know, like I want to get a spinal tap. I want to be in bed in a hospital for three days getting drugs. And yeah, I like all the way, all of that sounds. I wouldn't even mind like a cesarean scar if I had to get that in exchange for all of

the supplies that they were giving me. It was worth it. Well, we're going to take a break. We'll be right back. There's no shortcut for saving time. But saving money is simple. Just combine your car and home insurance with Bel Air Direct and save. Get a quote at BelAirDirect.com.

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reactions behavior and parenting when a baby comes on the scene yeah so are you surprised by Andy tell me about his reaction and everything I'm not surprised but I mean because it's so it's so what you would kind of expect from with our dynamic like I was so nervous about getting like postpartum depression, postpartum anxiety. And then he being so supportive, decided to get it for me. And he got the postpartum anxiety and was fully checking to see if she was breathing every five seconds was scared to like zip up her onesie all the way because he thought it was gonna choke her. I'm like, it's this is how they're designed. And all of that sounds like totally fine until you're putting the baby in the car seat and he's like well leave it a little loose

because it could kill her I'm like you don't want to like invalidate how he's feeling but at the same time how he's feeling is insane not valid so it's not valid so you're like what do I do here and plus I felt a little jealous because I was like this is kind of like my time to be crazy like I have like full carte blanche to be insane right now. And you're like taking that from me. So I had my own feelings about that as well. You know, where I had to work through like, it's like this asshole is so sensitive. Is robbing me of my postpartum experience. Yes. And how quickly did you go back to work after you had the baby? What's your baby's name again? Minnow. Minnow. I was gonna say Willow, but that's my other friend's baby. Okay, Minnow. Yeah, that's cute. What's

her middle name Baker because I was like if I she's named after my favorite aunt and I was like if I give her the name Minnow I can't give her like a you can't anything after that is like a Wes Anderson movie you know what I mean like I was like you can't do like Minnow Penelope it's got to be something hard after Minnow so solid I was like Minnow Baker Haynes is that's her full name that's a cool name. Yeah. So what have you discovered about yourself as a mother? I guess I'm still kind of discovering it. Like I don't really know yet. I'm still figuring that out. I'll say what I think I'm doing right, which is that when I'm with her, I'm 100% with her. Like I don't look at my phone. I don't mess with work. I'm just like with her 100%. And I love watching her grow

up. Like I'm not someone who like, I don't feel sad when she grows out of something. I'm like excited to see her become who she is. And like, I don't have this kind of nervousness that I feel like a lot of parents have about her growing up. I'm excited. I'm genuinely excited for it. And I'm excited to see her become who she is. On the other hand, I went back to work after six weeks and some people say like that's not a lot of time to me it's a lot of time i wanted to start using my brain again for other things besides like changing her diaper and so the result of that is like i do worry all the time that she's gonna think andy is her mom i am constantly worried like i i look in her eyes to see if she thinks i'm like her dad's girlfriend do you know what

I mean, like it's, I feel genuine anxiety about the time that I spend away from her and how that is affecting her. And I worry about that all the time. Like, I keep trying to remember like how I felt about this stuff before I had a kid, which is like, she's a baby. It's going to be fine. You're her mom. There's nothing that's going to break that like bond.

You're good. I just try not to overthink things. And has anything about your behavior since you had a child surprised you? No. I mean, I am surprised by how much I love her. Like I was prepared for the stuff that is bad. I'm prepared for, I've been sleep deprived. I've done things that I thought were impossible. Honestly, I've had a puppy and that is harder. Like having a puppy is harder than having a baby. Puppies can run. They are born knowing how to run and babies can't. So the sleep deprivation is tough but out of the two I'm like that was probably tougher for us so it's just been like

amazing to me how much I love her I'm like I wasn't prepared for the good stuff I really wasn't and so when you have questions or anything like do you have people to go to like who do you go to do you go to your mom or any friends I mean I talk to Rachel Feinstein a lot because Rachel's a comic with a kid and it's weird because i feel outside of comics in a way now that i didn't before but i also feel outside of moms in a way that i didn't expect to because i'm like you know i don't get excited about decorations for halloween that's not something that i'm like excited about so there's things about like being a mom that i feel distant from so i just go to people who are comics with kids you know that i feel close to and there's not a lot of them so it yeah it's

that there's not a ton of questions that i have the only things that i'm like really concerned about are like i'm like hey i i'm crying more than i used to what's that about and people are like yeah that's pretty normal rosebud it's not like you don't need to be concerned about that but i wasn't a big crier before. So that's kind of odd. And what about your relationship with Andy? Has that brought you guys closer together because you've produced this thing? It's brought us closer in a major way. It's challenged our relationship in a huge way. It's very difficult at this stage that we're in not to constantly be fighting about who's doing more. You know, that's like a thing where you're just like well I did this and then well I did this and I found myself being like

you're keeping score but so was I you know I had like a score I had I had a tally of all the times he kept score so I was like I'm telling him not to keep score while keeping a tally of all the times that he's done it which is we're both doing more than we thought we were capable of and you definitely start to feel resentful about it but you have to you literally have to fight that urge to like be like it wasn't like this before and it's like yeah no shit dumbass it's never going to be the same you know so that's been tough but it also is like i look at him and i'm like holy shit everything that i've made fun of him for for years like being so sensitive and so like caring. I'm like, there's no one in the world that if I was going to have a kid, I chose

absolutely 100% the right person to have a kid with. And also, if I weren't with him, this wouldn't be possible. Like this would not be possible. So yeah, there's that. I mean, it's not funny, but it's that's the story. You know what I mean? No, I love it. I think it's always Yeah, I think it's always so fascinating. how people react to it. People always describe it as like your heart expanding to this degree of you don't even know you have this capacity to love. I have a new puppy and I'm like, wow, I didn't know I had the capacity to actually take dogs for walks because my dogs don't fucking walk. They just stand there. I always have rescues, so they're always old quick. And now I have a

nine-month-old puppy and I'm like seeing myself, I'm like, I'm taking him to the doggy park. I would never take them to the doggy park because they don't do anything at the doggy park and I'm like oh my and I'm talking about a dog and I'm like oh my god I'm like I'm my bandwidth is greater now because of he has such high energy and I want to support that yeah I'm like look at you cruising into motherhood for the seventh time as a dog owner but I can only imagine you know that's on a obviously different level but like I can only imagine when people talk about your heart expanding and your capacity to like love someone so much that's got to be the best feeling in the world it is it's funny because I used to hear that all the time like before I had kids I used to hear

oh yeah loving a dog is different than loving it and I'm like it's not though I feel like love is love is love is love you know what I mean like when I I think about my pit bull Alabama and there's certain dogs you know that you have like that like real strong connection with and this was like my soul dog and I think about her and I'm like yeah it was the same level it was the same level of love that I feel now that I felt then I truly like love them both the same so I don't really think it's like a different thing you know right you would jump in front of a car for both of them too I would like your degree of commitment is the same right yeah exactly to be honest I it's funny I was like thinking about it it was like a few days after Minnow was born and I was like

walking her across the street and I thought if a car came and hit us right now what would what would I do and literally my first thought was well my body would turn into metal and uh the car would flip over like I literally was like I just that was what I thought it like took me a second to be like oh that's not physically possible but and what's your SNL schedule these days like do you did you have to adjust that because I know you work crazy hours there you all do yeah I I haven't um I haven't really adjusted the the schedule I don't I mean I took those six weeks off but I I work the same hours that I did before you know and I have a nanny so it's that makes me lucky you know is Mateo your nanny yeah no Mateo won't hold the baby Mateo has come over

so many times and and and just sits next to the baby and i'm like he's like well when she can hold up her head then i'll then i'll then i'll hold her but he's like it scares the shit out of me then i'll engage right my dad always says that he's like when they're out of the slug stage like six months like past six months he's interested but before that he's like no no no thanks yeah yeah honestly i'm kind of the same i was not i'm not really like a newborn gal i they don't do it for me until their eyes are open and they're laughing. That's when it gets interesting. Absolutely. I mean, it's almost pathetic how useless they are in the beginning. It is pathetic.

Defenseless and useless. Like, it's just like a blah. Like, they have to be kept alive. Yeah. You're like, wow, they're like a slug. I know. It's crazy. They're not even supposed to be out of the womb for like another. It's like human beings just can't physically carry a baby for as long as we're supposed to, which is why they call that the fourth trimester is like those three months after they're born that they're just, they're not fully cooked. Like they, they have to finish cooking outside of the womb basically. And it shows. Was your mom there with you and helping you in the beginning? Yes. My mom was,

my mom was there. Yeah. And that was that very helpful to you? It was so helpful. And at the same time, it's like your mom is there. So it's so helpful and it's so hard. And then they leave and you're like, whew. But then you watch them walk away and you're like sobbing. It's just very complicated, you know? Yeah. Your mom is present on my Instagram page a lot. I notice her comments a lot. So we've cultivated an online friendship. Has she? What does she say? That's none of your business, Rosebud. It's really none of your business. Is she so supportive? Is she like, oh, I love this. She's a sweetheart. Yeah. I'm interested in her. I love parents. I'm always interested in parents and she seems like she's off in the right kind of way. Yeah. She really is.

She's the most earnest person. It's crazy that I came from her. I'm always just like, how am I your daughter? She's like a golden retriever and I'm like the angel of death. I know. I know. It's very funny. Isn't that so interesting? It's so odd to me. My mother was so shy. My mother was so demure. She was ladylike. And she was horrified by me in my presence. She was like, what are you? Are you a man? What is this? She had never seen a girl talk like me or act like me or be so loud, like a loud mouth. And my mom was always just not disgusted or repelled, more shocked that I was of her. She's like, how did you come out of me. And I'm like, I don't know, bitch, but I'm here and let's get down to business. And she was

just, I remember she once found something like, I guess it was a hair. I mean, something gross in her salad. We were at the Olive Garden in New Jersey and that was already, you know, traumatizing growing up by an Olive Garden. And we, and when she found the hair in her salad, I remember calling the waitress over to get rid of the salad. And my mom was like, no, no. And I was like nine. I'm like, excuse me. She found a hair. And my mom was like, no, no, it's okay. Don't say anything. Don't say anything. I was like, I was like advocating for her. And I realized then I was like, oh God, we are not on the same page at all. But it's so interesting to see that. Like, I wonder how that will be with Minnow, you know, if she's going to be a reflection of you and,

or the complete opposite of you. I know. I wonder about that too. I'm really curious to find out. My mom and I, we went on a, you know, I took her to Italy on a trip while I was pregnant. yes how was that it was so funny because here I am I'm like I'm in my second trimester I'm walking around Italy with my mother and my mom is she's a painter so she stops at every painting and reads the museum placard and sort of takes it in and breaks it down and cries softly cries and then comes to me while she's crying and explains the meaning of the painting right and each time I can't summon the feeling each time you know I mean it's like the Duomo there's like we spent all day in there and I at the end of the day we went out to dinner and I was kind of like fed up right and

she she she was like what's the matter and I said I was like it's just you know there's not enough hours in the day for the amount of crying that you gotta do I can't and of course she starts to tear up. And she's like, well, do you just want me to pretend like I don't care? And I was like, yes, yes. I want you to pretend like you don't care just for a, just for an hour, please. And so it became like a joke. Each time we walked by a painting, she'd be like, I mean, who gives a shit, right? Yeah. But now look at you. You're like karma just landed on your doorstep because now you're crying all the time. I know. I'm like, God damn it. I've been seeing that happen a lot lately like karma working in real time like even if I think

like a nasty thought about someone something will bite me right away or I trip right away and I'm like oh I go I might I must be so close to the surface of like especially when it happens to other people too I was skiing the other day with this elderly woman and she was a cunt and she was like I think she was trying to write I didn't even want to go skiing with her but a friend of a friend and then and then she blamed me like she was so unpleasant anyway I was like why am I spending my day with her. And then she started, she was kind of racing me. And this is a woman in her older sixties. And I'm like, is she, is she racing me right now? And I'm like, am I, am I racing an elderly woman? And I started to step it up and I was like going to race her back. And then I stopped

myself and said, no, no, this is, this is so silly. Stop it. What are you doing? And then she wiped out. She wiped out so badly and I couldn't help but laugh. I was like, you had that, you had that coming that is karma in a second you're sitting here trying to race someone on a mountain we're not racing we're not fucking in the olympics we're just on a regular day yeah so i kind of i've been noticing that a lot lately karma in real time and i'm enjoying it even when it happens to myself because it's a reminder like you know you don't have to like even if you have a negative thought about someone like you don't have to say it every single time right you don't have to emote it and sometimes it's better to leave it inside. So I like it as a reminder personally, and I like

seeing it happen to others. Yeah. Although I do like when I have a negative thought, just texting it to someone immediately. I love, I do love to. That's what Mateo, that's what Mateo is for. He's my receptacle for negative thoughts. I know. Or if I'm, if I'm having a moment of shade and frown, you know, I like to share that. He's a good audience for that. He's perfect for it. I know he's ridiculous. Sometimes Mateo will just text me a name and i'll just write pass okay we're gonna take a break and we'll be right back there's no shortcut for saving time but saving money is simple just combine your car and home insurance with bel-air direct and save get a quote at bel-air

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They are abducted, stalked, controlled, and nearly silenced. But these aren't stories about what's taken from them. They're stories about what it takes to make it out alive. Listen to The Survivor Files with Elizabeth Smart on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If your bookshelf and your For You page are equally important to your personality, welcome home. This is Prose Society, the weekly podcast that's part book club, part group chat for thought daughters, pop culture obsessives, and anyone who thinks Pride and Prejudice and Love Island deserve the same level of discourse. I'm Eli Rallo, and every week we're connecting the dots between books, the internet, and the conversations everyone can't stop having. I'm going to have to look up this story.

I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed. From bestselling authors and your favorite book talk creators to the latest pop culture moments, nothing is off the table. It's like if you can hide some real messages inside compelling characters, then that is a Trojan horse. Whether you're looking for literary deep dives, smart pop culture conversations, or a community of readers who love to think a little too much, you're in the right place. Listen to Pro Society on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. See you between the pages. Okay, we're back. All right, Catherine, what the fuck is happening today?

Oh my gosh, we have some parenting questions. Well, some having babies questions, because I figured that'd be perfect for you. Perfect, that's my wheelhouse. We've got some DNA questions. We've got a whole bunch of crazy questions. Dating, also dating. Our first question comes from Janine.

She says, dear Chelsea, I'm struggling with a big decision right now. I cannot decide whether or not to find the identity of my biological grandfather. My father has wanted to know who he is ever since he was a boy and found out that my grandpa was not his biological dad. My grandmother refuses to tell him. In a recent twist, we found out via DNA test that his, quote, cousin is actually his complete biological sister.

He confronted my grandmother about it, and now they aren't speaking. The problem is my grandmother is obsessed with her image and her social standing, not to mention she's a total bitch to my dad every chance she gets. My father's half-siblings have no idea about any of this. This has left a huge hole in my dad's life. He's always been so good to me, especially when I came out being a lesbian when I was a teenager. I really want to find out for him, but I don't want to overstep his boundaries or risk any more fighting than we already have on that side of the family.

What do you think I should do, Janine? I think you should just go for it. Don't worry about all the drama. If you don't participate in drama, you're not part of the drama. Your dad wants to know where he's from. Go help him and forget about your grandmother. That's her own problem. Let her deal with her own emotions and you do the right thing for your dad, which sounds like he wants that too. So I think that's a no-brainer. I think everyone gets caught up in all the drama. You don't have to participate in drama. You can just do your thing and then extricate yourself from the situation and let the chips fall where they may, as they say.

Rosebud, your thoughts? I agree. I feel like people's opinions about you are none of your business. And if you want to help out your dad, go for it and let the chips fall where they may, like you said. Like, it's just, just see what happens, you know? You could just sit back and watch. You could enjoy it.

Yeah, sit back. Exactly. Sit back, get some popcorn and just enjoy other people floundering. Yeah. But also the other thing is like your grandmother's saying your grandmother's really protective over her image. That's no one's problem but hers. Yeah, that's right.

So don't ever feed into other people's pretend lives, pretentiousness, or their image. You know, like, that is their deal, and they need to deal with that. Because the truth is what the truth is, and that's going to affect them however it's going to affect them. Worst case scenario, what? She has to accept who she actually is at the end of her life? That sounds like a pretty good payoff to me. I agree with you, actually. Yeah.

The other thing is, like, I don't think you have to advertise it. Like, just because you and your dad are going to find this out, there's already plenty of secrets that everybody else doesn't know about. Like, if you don't want to advertise, they don't have to. Yeah. Yeah. When you're not in the argument, there's nothing to argue about. Like, as long as you don't subscribe to it, it diffuses.

Like, if someone's yelling at you and you're not saying anything back, eventually they're going to walk away because there's nothing to argue about. Right. Agreed. Anyway, wise words from the sagacious Chelsea Joy Handler. Let's move on to the next question. Moving on. Lauren says, dear Chelsea, modern dating is hard.

Between the apps and meeting in person, it's all fun and games until it's just the games. I'd love your advice on when it's time to bring up what someone's intentions are. I know it may seem silly, like I could just be honest and ask someone. But what I really mean is when you're dating someone and you see potential, but also don't want it to be just another hookup or friends with benefits situation, how do you casually bring this up without sounding crazy or that you're trying to tie them down. And I don't know if there's an answer to this, but how many days before you sleep with someone that you see potential with? I'm no prude, but I don't want to be just another notch in someone's bedpost.

This back and forth with men walking in and out of my life makes me wonder if I will ever find someone that will stick around. One guy told me he's ready to settle down, and then days later, I see him back on the dating apps looking for a long-term relationship and monogamy. The one after him I found out was a former cop that sexually assaulted a girl and has to register it as a sex offender. So as you can tell, dating is quite the learning experience, which is why I'd like your advice. Any advice would be amazing. Lauren. Hi, Lauren. Hi, Lauren. Hi, good morning. How are you? We're good. Thank you. This is Rosebud, our special guest today.

Hi, Lauren. She's a dating expert, so you're in good hands. Oh, perfect. Nice to meet you. Good to see you, Catherine. Hi. Listen, there's a bunch of fucking assholes out there, but that goes for women and men. And like the dating scene is so up and down and you shouldn't follow any set of rules is my personal opinion. You need to listen to your gut and you need to listen to like what you're interested in. Also, I feel like so many times as young women, we are so programmed to try to discern if the guy likes us, if the guy wants to be with us, when's the right time to sleep with him so that he'll speak to us again and we'll still, and he won't, he'll still respect us. It's like,

what do you want? What do you like? What are you attracted to that? We, we kind of marginalize our own feelings in exchange for what we want to do to please men. And I think you have to take it always back to yourself. Who do you like? You know, when do you want to sleep with someone? There is no prescription of when it's a perfect timing, because if you meet a guy who's great and you have chemistry and you both like each other, you could sleep together right away and then spend the rest of your life together. Possibly. There's no like, Oh, if I wait 10 days and he's going to respect me more. I mean, I don't buy into any of that. I think you know when you have chemistry with somebody and I think setting your intention as early as you want is

fine. Then you're weeding out anybody who's going to waste your time. You don't have to wait five days because you're going to scare them off. There's a way to say what you're looking for without being desperate about it. There's a way to say, hey, how old are you? I'm 28. Okay. There's a way to say, hey, I'm 28. I've dated a lot. I'm ready for whatever your history is. I'm ready for something a little bit more substantial. So I just want to make sure we're on the same page. Even before you go out on a date, it may change after you go out on a date and what they say may not be true afterward. But all you can do is be honest, outbound with yourself and your feelings, and then you're clean. You know what I mean? You're not playing games.

you're not doing anything wrong. Even if the first five guys you might be interested in aren't reciprocating that or don't end up being in your life, you have a clear conscience because you're being very, very direct and kind of self-actualized about what you want, so to speak. And I always think that reaps more dividends than anything else because then nobody can get confused. You're clear, then they're clear. Yeah, definitely. No, I think that's really good advice. And I think, I mean, I have been dating a lot and I, I like to be very upfront and direct, but sometimes I feel like, you know, I may get one response and then their true color show later on. I just feel like I keep running into these like situationships. It seems like

it's like this modern dating, whether it's the apps or in person. And it's like, it's exhausting, you know, and that's part of dating and I get all of that, but I think it's hard to kind of find that middle ground sometimes I think when you are like if you just do what if you do what Chelsea does what she's promoting you do which I think she also does in her personal life is like if you just say this is where I'm at this is what I want it might not you might not be the right person for this but this is what I want and if you're not the right person for this maybe we should go separate whiz now and they say no no no I am this is what I want this is you know because men they're a lot of times I've noticed in my own dating history that they'll lie and say something that they think

I want to hear the same way that I've bent myself into different shapes hoping that I don't scare them off so I think we're all kind of like programmed to do this to one another but once you get that information of like oh he was lying because he thought this is what I wanted to hear and you you just go okay that's all the information I need I can move on to the next one and you don't get discouraged by that I think that's a really helpful attitude to have of like you have time you know what I mean you have all the time in the world so to just say like all right like when I met my now husband I was we had slept together on the first night I you know they did anal we did anal on the first night. Yeah. When I say slept together, it was hardcore anal. And, and, and I

said to him, like, look, I don't know if you're the right person for me, but I do know that I want to get married. So if you aren't into that idea, we should start dating other people. And he was like, well, I don't want to date other people. And I said, okay, well then you know where I stand and you know where I'm at. And if this gets serious, I just want you to know, I want to get married. So that's where I'm at. And we can just keep going on as if this conversation never even happened, but just know that's where I stand, you know? And know that the conversation did happen. Yeah. Yeah. And then it ended up working out, but like, I wasn't even sure that he was the guy for me when I told him that I just knew that that was what I wanted so yeah it was like I had to put my

own shame and feelings about how he would feel about it totally aside like I had to be like I don't care what your reaction is to this in fact the more honest your reaction the more information for me I can move forward just by watching you react to this so I think that's a good way being true to yourself and where you stand with things and how they react is going to determine you know how or whether you move forward with them and it's almost better knowing it that way than finding out maybe later on when it fizzles out yeah also the other thing is is like women especially in your 20s and your 30s before you really are like fortified in your self-worth I mean you seem like you have self-worth so I like to see that but I also would like to say like that is a practice

you have to practice your self-worth and by announcing to these guys or it's having real adult conversations is a constant cementing of your self-worth saying this is what I'm interested in and if you're not that's fine too but like let's just be on the same page and conversely if the opposite were true I just had a conversation with a guy where I'm like listen there's nothing serious happening here this is winter time I like having sex when I'm skiing and a lot of fun and it's over when I leave in March. And he was like, wow, that's pretty harsh. I go, well, you can take it as harsh, but that's where I am. If it's not going to be you, it's going to be another guy. I didn't say that part to him, but that's what I was thinking. Like, you can sign

up for this program or, but I'm not, I'm never going to be deceptive. I'm never going to pretend. I mean, you know, like if it does get serious, great, but that's not my intention. I'm not trying to get serious. So, and I think that works in all ways because it's just a good reminder to yourself to always say your truth, especially when dating, when guys can be, you know, these dating sites are filled with tons of assholes. So you just have to know that going in. So it's like, you know, if you get one good guy out of 10 dates, then that's what's out there. You know, every 10 dates, you're going to find somebody, oh, that's actually a potential. But you know, if that's what you're after, that's kind of what you have to do these days. And just know that

nothing is personal. Like who cares if someone doesn't like you? Move on to the next guy. There are millions billions of men out there yeah so so just keep that and practice the art of like self-respect I think also there's an element of separating like could this be something in the future and do you eventually want a long-term relationship slash marriage whatever and being exclusive like I think you can find out if that's where someone's end goal is that they want you know a long-term relationship and not necessarily be like we're a boyfriend and girlfriend we don't see anybody else right now until like you actually feel like you want that with that person. Right. Yeah. And that's where I think like what's hard and, you know, whether it's on the apps or

just in person, you know, when you start consistently seeing someone, like when do you kind of define the relationship and when do you, whether it's not that I'm trying to get married tomorrow, but you know, when you finally meet someone you would like to, you know, see where things go it turns into this when do you have that conversation and still staying true to yourself but at that point that's I don't think you have to know that they're the the guy you can also be clear like I'm not even sure if this is you you can say like I don't know if it's you that I'm talking about but I know that this is what I'm looking for you know yes I like that a lot yeah if you're not it, that's okay. I'm not, I'm just having this conversation for me

because I want to be clear about my intentions. Yeah. I like that. That's good. Yeah. And also, you know, like everyone is always looking for a timeline. Like it's different for every relationship when you're supposed to, you know, sometimes it's mutual, sometimes it's them, sometimes it's you and not trying to control the outcome of something before it begins is a nicer, easier way to go through everything, you know, not trying to say, okay, by six months, I have to be engaged. That kind of hard line thinking doesn't allow for fun and spur of the moment, like a joie de vivre that you kind of want to implement into your dating life because you are only 28. You could have like three or four loves before you meet the guy. And wouldn't

you want that? I want that for you. I want you to have a lot of different guys to experience so that when you're really ready to settle down, you settle down. And that could be your intention the whole time, but it's nice to have, you know, the more experience you get, the better in my opinion. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. I think through dating, it's like, I'm figuring out more of the things that I don't want and honestly more about myself and what I do. So I think that's a good way to look at it and not rushing things and just kind of, you know, going with the flow a little bit and having some fun. Yeah. And having fun, right? Like some people aren't going to be your boyfriends. They're just going to be like a casual guy for two months and that's fun. As long as

you're not, you know, it has to end with this result. Like you can have fun with all sorts of different people in different ways. I mean, men do it and you know, I feel like not enough women do that. Yeah. No, it's not the same standard. It needs to be about our pleasure. If they're not going to make it their number one priority, then we have to, do you know what I mean? And I feel like we have to anyway, regardless of what they do. Yeah. I mean, I spent so many times in my twenties and thirties, a little bit in my thirties, faking orgasms, faking, like just pleasing men. I mean, and now I'm like, I don't even give a shit if you come, just go down on me and we'll talk about it. If this leads to something else, like I'm so selfish

now. I don't even fucking care. You know, like I, it's a complete role reversal of the way I was in my twenties. So just remember that when you sit down with a man, do you like him? Not does he like you yeah on that first second third date like you know ask yourself like is he even worth having the sort of like DTR defining their relationship talk with and the answer might be no on the first second third date and then you move on to the next one yeah wow DTR that was quick Catherine is that some lingo that I don't know about DTR the DTR sounds like D-M-E-T D-5-D-M-E-O-T which is frog venom I've inhaled it once then have the DTR okay well we're gonna to send you off. Good luck with everything. And remember, self-worth, self-value, self-respect.

Start there and then move on out. Thank you. Well, I'm excited you're coming to LA. I'm going to try to make it out to your show. Oh, yes. The YouTube Theater, May 11th. That's going to be a fun show. Yes. Come. Thank you so much for all of your guys' advice. I'll definitely keep it in mind as I continue the process. Okay. Well, good luck. And I'm sure you'll be very successful. Thank you. Bye. Bye, Lauren. Bye.

Come here, Doug. I want to show you Doug, but he's so fucking big I can't even lift him up. I threw my back out yesterday taking him to the dog park. And then I get to the dog park and there's this guy who's like, there's a massive dog and he's like, hey, is it okay to take my dog off leash? And I'm like, well, it's an off leash dog park, so why are you asking? He goes, do you have any snacks on you? I go, why?

What would happen if I do? I need the full, what's, and I said, what kind of dog is that? He goes, oh, he's half wolf. I'm like, we're leaving. Half wolf. Fuck off. That's so LA. I'm in Whistler, so.

Oh, they have half wolves in Whistler? I don't see wolves in LA. Is that allowed? I feel like people would find a loophole out there. Yeah. Actor dogs, you can have, I think, up to a half wolf. I had a neighbor. I had one neighbor.

If you're an actor? Yeah. Well, the dog is an actor. Oh, oh. I was like, wait. Actors get to have wolves, but regular civilians don't? I wouldn't even blink an eye if that was the rule. I'd be like, that makes sense.

Yeah. Yeah. It is illegal to own a coyote. And I also had a neighbor that owned a coyote. And I was like, wow, looks like a coyote. They're like, yeah, yeah. Don't tell anyone. I'm like, oh, my God.

You should have reported them right away. I have no problem telling on people all the time. Yeah. Well, our last question today comes from R. That's it? R? Just R. Just R.

We could give her a name. It's Rachel. It's me. Remedial. It's me. It's from Rosebud. It's from Rosebud. Hi, Chelsea.

It actually could be from you. Giving yourself advice. You wrote into yourself so you could give yourself advice. I'm listening to your episode with Elise Lohnan, and she just asked you about pushing through your fears. I love this idea under most circumstances, but my fear about having a second child seems like one that I'm not sure is worth pursuing. A little backstory. I got pregnant with my daughter in March 2020. Whoops.

Being a mom is all I ever wanted. With all of what 2020 took from literally everyone, it really cast an insane toll on my mental health while being pregnant. After my daughter was born, my postpartum depression and anxiety skyrocketed. I resisted medication at first and was talking to a therapist. Finally, after the darkest year of my life, I got on medication and really came into my own. I still struggle here and there, but my daughter is now two and a half, and I'm having the

time of my life. Here's the thing. I'm terrified of the idea of having a second child. I'd always wanted multiple kids before, no less than three, no more than five. What? When I read that now, I can't believe I ever said that and really thought that's what I wanted with all my heart. I feel like a completely different person after what I went through.

Do I accept the realities of my first experience and move forward with a new perspective on my future? Or do I push through my fears of having a second child because I can trust that I can get through the hardship I might endure for longer-term joy. I hear your voice saying, don't have a child unless you're 100% positive, but I'm struggling with knowing which of my voices to listen to. Thanks for reading, R. I don't think having a second child is pushing through fear. When I talk about pushing through fear, I'm talking about daring yourself to do stuff that you're not comfortable with. This fear is actually based in what your experience was,

like you had a reaction after having a child. But I do think that having been through it and surviving it, which I know nothing about, I want to be very clear. I think once you survive something, then it seems a lot more reasonable to expect that you will survive it again. So if having a child is so important to you, I would say go for it. But I wouldn't frame it as pushing through your fears, I would frame it as getting to the end goal of like long-term happiness and having the family that you even desired many years ago when you wrote down how many kids you wanted to have. I think that you should go for it because you know what it is. And while it might not be, it may not even happen the second time, what happened to you the first

time. And even if it does, you survived it. So there's really like, if you really want the kid, that's the question do you want a second child and if the answer is yes I would say go for it she survived it and she's got the tools now too you know she's got the medication and the therapy rosebud what about you god I'm like that's just like a hard question to for someone else to answer I feel like that's such a personal choice that I don't know I truly because I'm in the same position where it's like, I mean, I, I would be, I don't want a second kid, but it would be terrifying to me. If I did want one, it would be terrifying to choose to do it. And I know what she means by, I don't know which voice to listen to. Cause that's how I felt before I had my first

kid was I was like, I don't, it's, it's scared the shit out of me having a kid. And for good reason, It is terrifying and life changing. And you do feel like a totally different person. And I think if there's anything that I could say, it's like, just take a minute to yourself to really work through how much you want this, you know, because if you really want this, and you're just scared, I agree with Chelsea, like, you have the tools, you've done it before, you can do it again. And if you don't, you'll find that out. But I think it's going to take, to me, it sounds like a little bit like you're still unsure just from the question. So I would say it's okay to let, to give time, time and to just figure out how badly you want this, you know? because I think that's really what it comes down to is like how badly you want it. So I don't know if that's an answer. But it's, it's hard to answer a question that's like such a personal choice, you know? Yeah. And also sit with yourself, whether you meditate or not sit alone quietly,

like women, we have like a total intuition and a total knowing when we actually allow ourselves to like be very still be very quiet and think is this something that you're going to do and your body is going to tell you. You really have to kind of get in touch with yourself, but it's not that hard. We have such strong intuitions within ourselves. I agree. I would say to really try to listen to yourself and really just sit with yourself for 15 minutes every morning just with your eyes closed and thinking about what this means to you and if you're ready and if you're ready to take this on. And I bet you that you are. Yeah. Yeah. And I think if you're not ready to move forward right now, you know, like Rosebud said, it's not a question that has to be answered

today. But part of what keeps us spinning is not having made the decision. So maybe just like put a pin in it, be like, you know what, I'm not gonna make a decision on this. I'm letting myself off the hook for the next six months. And then like literally put on your calendar six months from now or three months or a year, whatever you think. Okay, let's dive into this again. Let's think about this again. And, you know, give yourself a little bit of a break. Yeah, I think with I was like torturing myself with the question for so long about whether or not I wanted to have a kid and I think when I finally did get pregnant I thought well this is terrifying and while I'm very scared I want this more than I am scared of it and I wanted there was something even about

the fear that intrigued me so I was like I want to go into this just to see what it does to me I want to like, I want to be changed. And I want to experience all of this, even if it's horrifying. And that kind of makes the fear not something to be avoided, but something that you can kind of dive into and explore, you know? Yeah, that's well said, Rosebud. All right, well, we're going to take a break and we'll come back to wrap things up. there's no shortcut for saving time but saving money is simple just combine your car and home insurance with bel-air direct and save get a quote at bel-air direct.com when i was 14 years old i was kidnapped and held captive for nine months i survived and i've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them i'm elizabeth smart

And these are the survivor files. I just remember this low, taunting voice next to my ear saying, shut up, don't say anything. Every week, I'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable. I knew if he woke up, without a doubt, he was going to hurt me. I started feeling that there was someone at the end of my bed, and I just started screaming. They are abducted, stalked, controlled, and nearly silenced. But these aren't stories about what's taken from them. They're stories about what it takes to make it out alive.

Listen to The Survivor Files with Elizabeth Smart on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If your bookshelf and your For You page are equally important to your personality, welcome home. This is Prose Society, the weekly podcast that's part book club, part group chat for thought daughters, pop culture obsessives, and anyone who thinks Pride and Prejudice and Love Island deserve the same level of discourse. I'm Eli Rallo, and every week we're connecting the dots between books, the internet, and the conversations everyone can't stop having. I'm gonna have to look up this story. I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed. From best-selling authors and your favorite BookTok creators to the latest pop culture moments, nothing is off the table. It's like if

you can hide some real messages inside compelling characters, then that is a Trojan horse. Whether you're looking for literary deep dives, smart pop culture conversations, or a community of readers who love to think a little too much, you're in the right place. Listen to Pro Society on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. See you between the pages. And we're back to wrap things up with Rosebud Baker. Rosebud, what do you have to say for yourself after today's episode? Just that I love you and this was fun and I can't wait to see you again. It's been way too long.

I know, I know. I'm going to get an apartment in New York. I'm just waiting for my house in LA to wrap. Yeah, totally. I tried to get one, but then someone else got it. But I'm trying. I need to live in New York for sure. Yes.

So I will see you at some point, and I can't wait to see you either. Yeah. You need to come to New York. It feels like everyone in LA's brain is melting. It's so scary. It is really. Yeah, I agree with that. There's a real lack of stimulation in LA.

Something's going on over there. It's dark. Rosebud, you are always a delight. Catherine, thank you. Everyone who called in, thank you. And thank you to our listeners. Good times. Good times, everybody.

Thanks for having me, Chelsea. Keep your tunes up. Okay. Take care, Rosebud. Okay, so Chelsea Handler is my name, and comedy is my game. Comedy and therapy are my games. I'm sorry. I misspoke.

I have added more shows. I added a second show in Vancouver. So I have two shows in Vancouver, March 29th, March 30th. I am coming to Calgary, Victoria, Kelowna. Then I've added another show in Sydney, Australia on July 13th. So I have two shows in Sydney, July 12th and 13th. For other shows in Australia and New Zealand, go to ChelseaHandler.com. And I've added two shows in Oklahoma, Norman, Oklahoma, on May 3rd and one in Thackerville, Oklahoma, which is May 4th.

And then I'll be at the YouTube Theater May 11th in Los Angeles with Matteo Lane and Vanessa Gonzalez and Fortune Feimster and Sam Jay. Those are my updates and more shows are coming. So pay attention. If you'd like advice from Chelsea, shoot us an email at DearChelseaPodcast at gmail.com and be sure to include your phone number. Dear Chelsea is edited and engineered by Brad Dickert, executive producer, Catherine Law. And be sure to check out our merch at ChelseaHandler.com. I survived nine months in captivity, and I've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them. I'm Elizabeth Smart, and these are the Survivor Files. Every week, I'm with survivors who lived through the unthinkable, abducted, stalked, controlled, and nearly silenced.

These are stories about what it takes to make it out alive. Listen to The Survivor Files with Elizabeth Smart on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If your bookshelf and your For You page are equally important to your personality, welcome home. Pro Society is a weekly podcast that's part book club, part group chat for anyone who thinks Pride and Prejudice and Love Island deserve the same level of discourse. Each week, we're connecting the dots between books, the internet, and pop culture.

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