Life Will Be the Death of Me with Chelsea Handler - Commitment Issues
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Sweetheart, it's very distracting to sit next to you when you look this good.
Okay, well, sweetheart, let me just tell you, I'm not trying to be suggestive here because
you know how shy I am.
But when I button my shirt, I know I'm modest.
When I button my shirt, do you see that pucker?
That's not acceptable.
So I don't care.
I'll just rather have a little cleavage.
You have a little Dolly Parton stretch across the bosom when you try and button it.
Yeah.
And you can't keep your eyes where, yeah, on my eyes.
I really do have such fixation on your breasts.
Today I walk up the stairs.
So I went to the house before we recorded today and you're just standing there like
presenting yourself peacocking and it's very hard for me not to be enamored with your boobs
well it's hard for me to only be enamored by a gay man for my looks and my boobs i know how
i mean it's out of sight men how are we ever going to get what we want i don't know i don't know the
way that i was getting men that i wanted was by inappropriate behavior which is not which is
forbidden now so like you can't even guys aren't even they're pretty much too scared to even hit
on us right now so like there's not a lot of action happening and and by the way keep it that
way you step outside in that dress and there will be action happening you look like for anyone
listening who gets this reference she looks like a sexy miss honey today from matilda i mean it's
like an amish dress but you somehow make it sexy thank you thank you sweetheart i appreciate that
i just want to build you up i had a rough night in my bed last night burt fell out of the bed last
night oh he did yeah well first let me tell you i last night it was a lot it was a loud thump and i
was like oh god he must have broken an arm of course i didn't get up because i was like he'll
figure it out but he's so soft it doesn't matter his bones aren't like you know they're not brittle
they're just like soft also but i was sleeping and i felt like this hangnail on my finger and i
remember just lifting my arm out off of the bed and reaching out for somebody to clip it so i was
going to come and manicure it in that moment yeah i thought somebody was just gonna like you were
there and you were gonna clip my hand or somebody was in my dream i was gonna materialize and then
i realized that my arm was up i was like what are you doing i was like oh this fucking hangnail
i have those little things in bed sometimes where it's such an irritation and it's so minor like i
will rub in between my eyebrows and if i feel one of those really coarse unibrow hairs i will have
to get out of bed to go pluck it before I could fall asleep.
Oh, yes, of course.
Do you know what I'm talking about?
Well, I did because I don't have hair in between my eyebrows
that's growing currently because I'm 46.
So that river stopped.
Did you get that lasered off?
Oh, probably.
Yeah, that might be why it's not growing also.
Thank you for reminding me, sweetheart.
I mean, I've done laser hair removal two rounds,
full rounds and nothing works.
In the middle of your eyebrows?
No, I want to do my eyebrows,
but you can't pluck them for months.
Like, you just have to shave it.
And I'm not going to be someone who shaves their eyebrows.
No, just keep your eyebrows going.
Anybody who fucks with their eyebrows is making a mistake.
Because when you get older, they don't come back.
So just hold on to your eyelashes and your eyebrows.
The best thing I did in my adult life was letting my eyebrows grow in.
Because I had very gay eyebrows for a while, and now they're...
What are they now?
They're big Italian eyebrows.
But it looks like you're peacocking with your eyebrows.
I don't have breasts.
I could.
Well, you...
I kind of do a little bit now.
Yeah, you do.
You have a little boobie action.
Not like I do, but nobody does.
No one has that sort of action.
I just feel like we've done such good work here lately.
And I don't want to toot our own horns.
We can't pat ourselves on the back like that.
It's too obnoxious.
It excites me to come in here.
I know, right?
Yeah.
So maybe that's what I mean.
It excites me that we've gotten to speak to people.
And every time we sit down in the studio, I'm like, who are we going to fucking talk to today?
What help are we going to offer?
We've had such serious issues come in, right?
Right.
I mean, we drove home the other day and we were like, oh my God, these are serious issues.
So it's good that we have kind of a cabal of like people to bring in for certain people, because I think we are a little bit out of our league in some of these areas.
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But I like that we're smart enough to know that they were like, hey, we need to bring someone else in.
When we do need to bring somebody else in, we will. And when we just need to be sweethearts together, that's what we'll do also.
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I think we should just get right into it today.
I would really like to start tackling some of these issues because today is all about commitment issues.
And I think we both have our own perspectives on these.
Well, you're in a committed relationship and I'm not.
Well, there you go.
that's very telling our first mission comes from kaylee she writes dear chelsea i have an
important question for you nearly two years ago i got out of a 10-year relationship it was very hard
but the right thing to do i'm in a good place now well as good as i can be living at home with my
parents during a global pandemic i have a great job that i love and i'm lucky enough to have
comfortable income i have wonderful friends and i'm able to chase passions in my spare time like
skiing oh that's good kaylee so on the question how do i know if i'm ready for love again i think
the idea of marriage is insane after the shit that i went through i honestly can't see myself
being with someone but i don't want to be closed off either how do i learn to trust again how do
i decide if and when i need a partner in my life i mean this is something that everyone goes through
after a breakup so yeah yeah yeah is she on the phone she's on the phone look at her hi kaylee
Hi, Kaylee.
Hi.
First of all, what kind of spelling is that?
Are you Nordic or?
It's Gaelic.
Gaelic.
That's what I meant.
Gaelic, Nordic.
Yeah.
Fuck, Brandon.
Hi, Kaylee.
It's nice to see you.
How are you doing?
Good, thanks.
How are you?
We're well, thank you.
How long have you been single?
Almost two years in July.
Uh-huh.
You look nice.
You look nice and sweet.
Why did it end?
And the best way to sum it up is I read the definition of what it is to be gaslighted about a year later and was shook.
So I think it was just that kind of situation where the reality that we all live in wasn't the reality that he was trying to reflect.
So I'm really happy to be out of it.
But the thing that's happening now is people keep asking me, well, when are you going to do something about your situation?
I'm like, why do I have to?
That's because people are fucking unoriginal and they don't have anything more interesting to ask you than to say, when are you going to have a new boyfriend? What's going on? Are you dating? I can't tell you how many times. I mean, even now it's like, no, me less like that is not part of my identity, who I'm dating or that's not my main agenda in life is who I'm dating.
I have a sister-in-law, a Russian. Her name is Olga. And every time I come home, she's like, Chelsea, any men? I'm like, Olga, I don't want to talk about men on my vacation with my family. That's the least of my worries. So I understand how annoying it is to be asked that question over and over and over again. But people just don't have any original questions to ask. Because then if you're with someone, then the next question is, when are you guys going to get married? And then when you get married, it's when are you going to have a baby?
The bigger issue here is that people think your identity only comes from being with someone. And when you're with them, how that dynamic embodies who you are. Like you're a full person outside of that relationship. That's why relationships like you need to maintain some autonomy in a relationship. I hate when people couple you together. That's like, oh, the Johnsons, whomever. It's like, no, no, no. Or women. I mean, this is so terrible. But women who write in their Instagram bio like wife to so-and-so. It's like that's how you want to identify yourself.
No, I know. I hear you. I hear you. I think it's important for you to maintain like your singledom in a way where you're not expecting it to go in any direction. Like to be open minded means you're open for anything that's unexpected, any change. You're open minded to being single. If that's the road you're supposed to go down, you're open minded to dating and you're open minded to having a relationship like a more serious relationship.
And if you live like that, where it's not dependent, like, you know, some people are desperate to find someone and that just ends up defining them in the wrong way. Right. Like, why do you need another person so badly? So as long as you're like celebrating your singledom in the right way, a people are going to be attracted to that. You know, people are interested in that and independence. And you're more likely to find the type of guy that you're going to be attracted to if you're really into being, you know, your true authentic self.
Kaylee, are you dating at all?
No, not at all.
Not in a while.
I just, it was, it's just not where I wanted to put the energy in my life.
I wanted to have fun at work, have fun with friends.
Yeah.
Good way to say that.
I like the way you said that.
Oh, thanks.
Yeah.
There's a confidence that comes with that, of knowing that you don't have to be fulfilled
by anyone and that you're giving yourself the fulfillment that you need, either with
an activity, skiing, with work, whatever that looks like for you.
but there's also an element of those minor interactions that you could go on a date with
that confidence and not worry if there's going to be a second date that you make the decision like,
oh, I'm actually not into this guy at all. Like that's powerful. And knowing that I don't need
you gives you a lot more space to interact with people without the burden of where is this going
to go? Yeah, I couldn't agree with that more. And I find it, it took away from my life instead
of adding to it. And it's just all the wrong reasons. And I find people kind of put you on
their track of what they want you to do, who they want you to be. And I just I'm not interested in
that in any way, shape or form. Right. Exactly. And that's the important thing is not to let
yourself be defined by what others expect from you. Right. Who gives a shit what others expect
from you? It's what do you expect from you? And also, you know, when you get out of a relationship
where there is an unhealthy attachment. I remember I broke up with this one boyfriend and we had this
really volatile relationship for years. It went on, on and off and on and off. And everyone was
just like all our friends were like, Oh, shut up already. You know, you two just like break up
already. And I just wanted to dream of the time where I wouldn't be heartbroken. I just wanted
to think of the time I go, I just want to be so fiercely single that this person doesn't affect
me at all. You know, that there's no tether to him. And I, when I got there, I remember reminding
myself like, Oh my God, this is where you've been hoping to be for so long and sit in this and enjoy
this moment, you know, enjoy the freedom of not being tethered to somebody who is giving you bad
vibes. I love that. It seems like you know exactly kind of where you're at and what you want. So I
don't know that there's much advice that we can give you because it seems like you are operating
in the way that we've we've had this a similar discussion with many callers, and they really
don't know how to reconcile where they're at. But it seems like you know, and have great confidence
and your positioning personally,
probably professionally right now that you don't need,
you really don't need any advice from us.
Like, you know, you're doing the right thing.
Well, I think your take is so different
than the average person.
So I feel like I get so much pressure
and that's the first thing people ask when they see me.
So it's just nice to hear it
from people who are kind of understanding of that
because that's not the reality I live in right now.
And I know people just want to make conversation,
but it's the worst.
Can I ask where, you don't have to give us a specific,
but where are you in the US?
like Midwest? Are you on a coast? I'm in Canada. Okay. So like, I always think when I hear of
these types of things, I'm from the Midwest. And again, there's like a very specific trajectory of
life for women that they're married with kids by a certain age. And I think that you have to
be able to enter those conversations with like a confidence and authority of like,
this is where I'm at. Like, I don't, I don't need this. You need to kind of put it back on them.
Like, why would you think that I need a man make them think about what they're asking and how
ridiculous it is? Like, why do I need that? That's a really good point. I never thought
to do that and also like you don't want anybody who's ever going to take away right you only want
an additive all my friends are like chelsea you're so picky your standards are so high i go they can
be i'm fine without a man so they can be as fucking high as i want them to be and until somebody
fulfills those standards yeah it's not going to happen because i'm perfectly happy being alone
also i love that and you're also never alone no i'm never alone no no i'm never alone not when
i'm raising two parents i mean two parents two they're both dead i was raising my parents and
they both died. So that's how great of a parent I am. And now I have two dogs who will probably
transition into the afterlife after I raise them. But you hear what we're saying.
Yes, I do.
Kaylee, will you let us know if and when you do start dating and what that's like for you? And
what sort of men are out in the Canadian pond? Because sweetheart, you know, I don't know if
you're aware, but she now has a home in Canada. So we're going to need to find her some prospects.
Yeah, I need a mountain man. I need a big, strong Canadian mountain man who's going to
flip me over and spin me around.
Okay, well, we're going to manifest this for you.
Somebody in Alberta or BC, we can do it.
Okay, well, if he's out there, yeah, yeah, we'll manifest.
We'll manifest together.
We'll manifest both of our future lovers.
Yes, mine could just be a dog, though, or something like that.
It doesn't have to be an actual person.
A dog is a great addition to anyone's life.
That's always an enhancement.
That's what you want from a man, and that's what you'll get from a dog.
There's going to be a nice little pick-me-up in life, take you out, you have company, and
you don't really have to fucking answer to them.
So...
Even better.
That's the advice.
go get a dog perfect i love it bye kaylee thank you thank you bye it is true though when i come
home and i see bert and i just think like when i come home to the house and there's no one there
just the dogs there is a feeling of happiness and comfort that is just like lifts me yeah you know
that is like oh it's yeah it's so cozy and i could sit with him for fucking 40 minutes and rub him
and rub his belly you know it's the lack of pressure in that situation where there there's
love and interaction but there's no expectation yeah there's no one i have my friend just left
her husband and she's like oh god it's so nice not having to cook dinner i'm like cook dinner
what are you in fucking 1925 i'm like who is preparing dinner for their husband she's like
lots of women chelsea and i'm like okay well there's one thing about singledom well a i can't
cook even for myself so I wouldn't be cooking for another person unless he had no taste buds
or an all egg white diet egg whites turkey and protein shakes is what I am basically subsisting
on ever since I saw Seaspiracy she seems like she's gonna be just fine so it's an interesting
mix of people who submit or call in because I think a lot of people know exactly where they're
at and they just want someone they want yeah they want somebody to give them the stamp of approval
Right. And that's what we're here for sometimes, sweetheart. Sometimes the heavy lifting isn't up
to us. It's up to the caller. Well, let's see what Emily's got going on. She is a 26-year-old
from Maryland. She works in healthcare and she writes, Dear Chelsea, I have a 32A cup at 136
pounds. So this is out of my wheelhouse. You'll have to feel this one. I used to weigh 200 pounds
and my boobs were the same size. A girl with small boobs and no ass means no sex life. I've
considered a fat transfer breast augmentation. I've considered breast implants. I've considered
being flat chested until I die. I've had two plastic surgeon consultations, but I want your
advice. My family and friends are on board. I'm just afraid of breast implant illness. What happens
if and when I get pregnant and do or don't breastfeed? Okay, great. Emily. Emily, hi.
Hi, how are you? I'm good. I'm good. How are you doing? Doing really good. Okay, so talk to us
about your body situation. So my boys, as I like to call them, because they're not girls,
very, very small. I've been flat chested pretty much my whole life. Like you guys were saying,
I was 200 pounds at one point in my life. Boobs stayed the same size. Like I was just like flat
and then big round stomach, no ass, nothing. Oh my God. So you got big, you got big like that
and your breasts didn't get bigger with you? Nothing. That's a real kick in the ass.
I lost all this weight and then still am somewhat confident, but not like fully confident
just because I wish I looked more like a female had big boobs could strut into a bar and like
people would notice me so yeah I just wanted to ask you if you had a small chest what do you think
you would do well I always I admire people with small chest because it's so not I mean I got my
boobs so prematurely they came on the scene when I like overnight one summer when I was 12 and I
literally woke up some guy put his arm around me in a movie theater and I'm convinced that gave me
my period because i seriously he gave the next morning i said to my sister and her sorority
sister was at our house in martha's vineyard and i said i got my period and my sister gave me to
her best friend audrey and she's like audrey will you help her she got her period and audrey started
showing me how to use well anyway listen i got my period and my boobs came in overnight okay
so the point is i've never had small breasts but i always admire small breasts because it's such a
nice look that i've never had experience with so i like that look but i understand that you
having had small breasts your entire life are probably over it. So let's talk about that.
Well, and I was just going to say that the different perspectives are so interesting
from an outside listener, because what you're describing and your definition of being womanly
and that you want to have this chest because it to some degree embodies feminism. Right.
Chelsea has had that and she's spoken about this a lot, but she had an ex who said they
weren't elegant because they were basically too big. So it's interesting your two different
perspectives on what it means to have these breasts and how it must feel for a woman who
has them and who does not and their viewpoint on other women's bodies. Yeah. You're just looking
at what the grass is greener, right? So that's the thing. So if you're really thinking about it,
you've had two consultations, so you're really considering it, obviously. And everyone's
supportive of that decision. Yeah, they are. And your family and stuff. Yeah. I mean, it's
obviously not a decision I can make for you. But I would say I understand when people want to fix
things about their bodies like that they don't like. I've done that. I have done that. I've had
lasers. I had a full body laser once. I mean, I've done some crazy shit. So, yeah, I understand
wanting to do that. And I think if you've really thought about it long and hard, then you have your
decision there. You know, you've done all the due diligence. You've gotten a second opinion.
You know, you're weighing like all the options and you're thinking about what the future holds
if you do get that surgery, which is really smart.
You're thinking about breastfeeding and infection.
And I think those are all questions, obviously, for your doctor
so that they can answer them more soundly than I can.
Because as a reminder in this episode, I'm not a doctor, but I wish I was.
So I have to constantly remind people that I'm not a medical professional.
But I think you have made your decision.
And I think you're on the right track to do that.
But you want to be mindful about your expectations, I think.
Well, and I think that women should do whatever they want with their bodies. And if this is going to bring you joy and security in your body, then that's all that really matters. But the confidence aspect, like how you said, like, I have confidence, but maybe it's not what I want. Like, this is just something to enhance what you already have. Like, you're beautiful because we can see you. And this should be something that when you get dressed in the morning, like you do for yourself, that when you look at yourself, you're like, OK, I feel I feel better about how I look naked.
like that's why i work out i don't care so much what other people are seeing when i look at myself
and i want to feel good about it so as long as the expectation is that you're doing this for you
not for how other people perceive you you can't really go wrong in your decision yeah i agree
with you 100 it is how you perceive yourself and not what others think and i don't think it was
ever like that connotation but it's always like how you perceive yourself and if you could make
it better and like you could enter like this whole new mindset like maybe that would be a possibility
as well. Yeah. And I think when managing expectations, it's like to piggyback on what
Brandon said, like, obviously, you want people to notice you said you want to walk into a bar and
have guys notice you. That's a component of this. But focusing on what you really want to like about
yourself is more important than what other people are going to respond to. So you just want to keep
having that kind of dialogue with yourself, right? About this is for you. This is about you feeling
better about yourself, which will extend to you feeling better about yourself in front of other
people. Yeah, I agree. That makes sense. Okay. Another decision that was already made before
she called in. I mean, we're on a real roll today. Just kind of stamp where it's basically like
where the government issued you your approval to, I don't know, go abroad, broader, go broader.
Well, basically I was wondering if you had a small chest, would you just be like,
this is what God gave me. I'm going to work with it. Or you're like, I have these resources and I
know that I could do this and just like weigh those options pretty much. Can I ask a question?
Yeah. Does your chest and the size of your chest affect how you go through your day?
No. If anything, it's easier because I don't have like weight.
Right. Then you also need to take that into consideration that if it's not affecting
you mentally in a way that like it's really deterring you from doing things,
from going out in a swimsuit, from feeling confident around people,
from feeling okay in your own body, because there are all these outside expectations and influences
and that you really need to think about like, I would get my nose done tomorrow in a heartbeat
if I knew that it would be done and there would be no issues.
But how much of that is just because of what I'm seeing around me?
You know, there's just so much imagery of like this expectation of perfection
that we're never going to meet.
So you also need to be thinking about what else after you get this done
and say your breasts come out perfect.
Don't let that be something that sends you into a reflection of like,
now I could get X, Y, and Z done.
Right. I don't want to spiral like that at all.
Right. Exactly.
So it's a slippery slope with that kind of stuff because you do one thing
and you're like, you know what else I don't like?
And then you're like, you know,
you can focus on an area of your body.
Once you've sorted one situation out,
you can find another focal point to focus your attention on.
And that's also not a healthy pattern of behavior.
So I think you've really prepared for this well.
And I think your head is in the right space
to figure out, you know, what your next move is.
Awesome.
Well, I love what you guys had to say in your advice
because, you know, it just really makes me think
I'm thinking the same things that a normal person would.
And it's not just body image issues,
but it's like an everyday thing
that other people think about as well.
Well, I'll wrap this up with
if you walked into a bar,
I would notice you.
I don't know what sort of value
that is from a gay man,
but you're very pretty.
Thank you.
So don't let that be the reason
that you go get something done
because the confidence can show
in so many ways.
Oh, thank you.
Well, that's my new point.
When I walk into a bar now
and be like, well, you know.
Right.
This total stranger said that I'm hot.
So and if you and you,
if you do get your enlargements,
what size are you going to get?
Small.
Oh, yeah.
That's the best way.
It's crazy because I would stay like a medium B, small C. I wouldn't even want to like get like anything that people would be like, oh my God, that's Dolly Parton or anything like that. Even though her boobs are great. It would just be something that like people from high school would see me and wouldn't even like notice I had anything really done.
that's the best work the work that they have to question yeah minimal minimal not to yeah stay
away from c's when you're starting at a's you know oh yeah yeah i don't want it to be like a
total shock either where i'm like oh my god what did i do or have to regret anything yeah luckily
now boob jobs are so much more natural they're not like getting giant bazookas onto your chest
like vegas you know nobody looks like that that's not in style at all so yeah less is more now with
boobs for sure yeah i just want something i can cup just something or something someone else can
cup exactly well good luck emily let us know how it goes if and when you have your operation
awesome thanks guys bye bye i think it's called a procedure but it is also an operation i guess
it is a procedure in my terms let's get a plastic surgeon on i would love to speak with someone it
is an operation actually because you are surgically cutting someone open and there's so many ways to
We should have a plastic surgeon on, though, because I need a consult after that call.
Actually, we could have a plastic surgeon consult the callers who call in.
That would be great for self-esteem.
I would like to tack a consultation on for myself at that time.
You need to cool it.
What are you talking about?
Your nose.
What's wrong with your nose?
Everyone has one of those things.
Yeah, but what's your problem with it?
I just don't like it.
I don't think it's proportionate to my face.
Would you like it to be bigger?
No.
I've never heard about somebody getting a bigger nose.
I would like to keep the shape.
I would just shrink it down a smidge.
Oh, God.
Stop it.
That's ridiculous.
I know.
It's stupid.
which is why I can't get it well that and Jennifer Grey so remember her nose yeah I do I loved her
nose it was a cute little nose wasn't it oh yeah I loved it I love that nose did you like that movie
growing up dirty dancing yeah who didn't like that movie it's like everyone's dream come true
going to the Poconos and getting finger blasted by Patrick Swayze of course I love that movie
baby in a corner no one puts baby in a corner no one puts sweetheart in a corner no no no I wish I
could dance you know why i like that movie so much because she could dance well she really couldn't
but he could dance and he made her dance and i wanted that's what i want i need a man who's so
good at dancing a straight man that's so good at dancing that he can make me we need to find you
like a like a hot latino guy who could like or a black guy hold that i would love for you i mean
i'm pretty into black guys i think we should just like i'm i love everything about them so i think
that's an obvious move i know the only thing is you don't see many black guys skiing that's okay
he doesn't have well it would be nice if you have a hobby yeah yeah yeah together because that's my
only hobby we discovered i mean other than rollerblading which i we haven't even been in a
couple weeks i know who knows if that's even in my hobby yet i don't think it is we're going this
week well i need more hobbies though that's one thing we've discovered besides skiing because
that's seasonal. I'm already planning a summer skiing Christmas trip. I know. It doesn't make
any sense. I want to spend my summer skiing in South America because that's how desperate I am
to ski again. We just need to get a snow machine in the backyard. That's actually a great answer
to a lot of our problems. A snow machine would be. Let's see what we need. It's steep enough
pitch for me to be able to like ski down. Luckily, there's a nice little hillside behind the house.
If if we got a little dog sled, if we got a little dog sled for Bert and Bernice to take
you up there. It'd give you something to do in the afternoons. Anyway, we digress onto the next
caller. His name is Grant. He's from Brooklyn. He's 23. He is a publicist or he works in PR of
some sort. We'll find out. He writes, Dear Brandon and Chelsea, I'm so in need of some serious,
stupid sexual advice. I keep getting friend zoned. And while I'm more than happy to add
to my community of friends, I can't seem to break through it. Well, I don't want a partner per se.
I would like to stop having casual drinks with men. I've only shagged. They're lovely people,
but I frankly would rather have a lovely conversation over a barefoot Contessa meal
with my closest circle. That's a very specific setup, but I do agree. Barefoot Contessa is great.
How do you manage expectations early on? Do I really have to come out of the gate
on the first date and say, I'm not looking for friends? Your buddy, Grant.
Grant, these are good questions. Hi, Grant.
Hi. They are good questions. What's going on?
Oh, nothing. I guess what's the question is what's going on with you? So you're having
sex with people you're interested in and they're not interested in taking it further well it's kind
of like it's like a run through you know you go on like one or two dates and then maybe potentially
hook up or whatever after you know three or four and then you kind of get a text message
i'm saying something along the lines of like let's go get another drink let's go hang out let's go do
our thing and then it's like hey i'd love to but boundaries like let's set them up like i want to
be friends and that's totally cool and this happened like maybe the past like five people
i've been dating like on a roll one next to the next oh really well that's that's disappointing
i know that's also gay men for you so i yeah i i do think that setting the expectation up front
basically i don't think there's anything wrong with that i think it saves everyone time i think
it puts you on the right track so you're not wasting mental and physical energy agreed directness
is the best way to approach this situation and directness is fucking hot so even though it seems
like oh like do i want to put myself out there that way yeah because you hear this in the gay
community all the time that everyone wants a relationship but no one's in a fucking relationship
so there's obviously there is a communication error happening and so putting it out there like
hey this is what i'm looking for a relationship or to date to see where this goes i'm not looking
to fuck you unless you are looking for that and again vocalizing that there's nothing wrong with
looking to fuck them and then he wants it to be a relationship like you can i mean obviously you
have to test the water so they have to figure out if they want to be in a relationship with you
but it's good to get it out of the way i'm not trying to make friends like i'm here for a partner
i'm looking for somebody to have sex with and also date right right yeah i mean is that too much to
ask for no i feel like i feel like every time i go on a date like the first thing i say is like
that's great like i kind of do try to set the expectation that i'm not so i think it just kind
of like whittles its way in there and i've got like this little oklahoma like sweetheart mom
kind of vibe going on so everyone just automatically is like rolling with the punches and can like kind
of you know throw me into a different folder per se so yeah because that is a nice thing to do i
mean i'm not in the gay community like you are but i mean it is a nice thing to do like if i hear
from someone i'm not interested in i will usually just not respond like i wouldn't say hey let's be
friends like i would never say that because that's bullshit yeah well i would literally rather be
like ghosted and you never talk to me again rather than like us have like a weird ass friendship
where we're like hey how's it going how's your how's your weird roommate that i don't even
remember their name or care to like hear about you know no no you don't need to carry that wasted
energy right where are you meeting these guys you know like mostly hinge i had one recently that was
like a friend of a friend that had gotten out of relationship like three months ago and i was kind
of like testing the waters a little bit there and i initially was like this kind of like we are
friends and then turn into a whole thing and then went back to it. So it's like, communicating this
to ongoing dating situations is like just so straight, like constantly having to be like,
okay, let's check in. Like, what are our boundaries here? What's going on? Like,
it's this weird ebb and flow that I've always dealt with in dating in the gay world.
And when was your last relationship?
Like three or four years ago.
And what happened?
Oh, God. Yeah, let me get a margarita for that one.
I would love a margarita.
it is so early i mean yeah margarita like 4 p.m sounds lovely honestly who cares what
fucking time it is if you need a margarita and you know you need a margarita i don't care about
what time it is when i need a margarita you know what's saying i can't stand is it's five o'clock
somewhere it's like that's so stupid you know what it is it's time to have a fucking margarita
so well i think what you should do like i would think instinctively i think you just need to
change your approach it's like if you go outside every day and make a left and every day you get
bitten by the same dog, right? Eventually you have to take a right and try a different direction or
try a different avenue. And so you have to change your approach to how you're dating these men and
how you're coming across or stating what you want from the very top. And I think if you just change
little nuances of your behavior, you'll get a much different variety of results, which could
either be good or bad, but I think it'll be good. Might be a couple of bad ones when you're getting
started. You know what I mean? When you start acting a little differently, you're like, oh,
wait, maybe this might be too harsh, but it's just the adjustment period where you're finding out
how much you want to like change your direction, right, of what you're doing now.
To add on to that, the only other thing that I would suggest is casting a wide net and like
dating multiple people, not sleeping with all of them necessarily, but it's okay to go on multiple
dates with multiple people at the same time to see what feels right, to kind of reduce down what
you're really looking for from all of these guys because most gay guys are just so boring and
simple and so just put yourself out there the more the merrier you'll eventually find what works for
you you can say most gay guys are boring and simple most guys are certainly simple well is
that true if you if you look on instagram they all look the exact same they all sound the exact
same they all do the exact same shit i mean i mean look i'm like a 40 year old bomb which can
sometimes be like a total turnoff when i like when i'm like hanging out lounging my room and
just like listening to linda ronstadt that's kind of like a little throwing off for a lot of gay men
but like you know i know someone will someone will love that they'll love that low-key energy
that you bring that it's like cool and a little mysterious but also maternal so embrace it you
know yeah you're gonna find somebody that's gonna love everything about you it's just a matter of
weeding out and you know every step on the way to finding that person you know if that's what's
important to you and you want to find that person then you will and every step on the way to that
is fine because it's just a step closer to what you're looking for which is actually a serious
more meaningful exchange right well cheers to that let us know how it goes also grant you have
beautiful skin oh my god thanks thanks you're welcome all right well let us know what happens
keep us posted on your love life would you thanks everyone bye grant bye grant bye another problem
solved i mean dating for people i just it is good to be direct when you're dating it's good to be
like like because it could come off a little harsh like if i say it you know but he's sweet and nice
and if he says like hey i'm not looking for friends that's that's a much different thing
than me saying i'm not looking for it's just the games that people have to play and a lot of people
you know they don't want to say that because they don't want to come off too strong or too eager or
too interested so they just kind of let it like ride and then they end up where grant is and it's
frustrating for everyone it's like if everyone were just honest with what they wanted it would
save a lot of fucking time it does save a lot of time it doesn't make everybody feel great all the
time when people are super direct because a lot of people need to be coddled and a lot of people
are uncomfortable with directness but that's really more reflection of them rather than the
person who's being direct but i understand softening messages is important especially for
For me, my whole life, I've been told, oh, God, you know, soften it down, take it down a notch.
And, you know, it was true.
I needed to soften it down and take it down a notch.
So that was hard to hear over and over again.
But once I applied it and actually listened to it, it was helpful.
But his situation is he's already nice and soft and he needs to be a little bit firmer.
So that's like a flip.
I think for you, it was that you realize there is a different way to relay the same message.
Yes.
That your tone and how you presented it, you would get and I think a lot of times you would get more about other people's feelings. He needs to think less about other people's feelings. He thinks he needs to think more about his own feelings and his what he wants because he's accommodating these people that well, he's not really accommodating them. They're just telling him they'd rather be friends. So he needs to be a little bit more direct and a little bit less friendly, I would argue, less friendly, and then nobody will want to be your friend.
But then you'll find a boyfriend. So it's a real mindfuck.
Brandon's not very friendly, are you? Well, you're friendly.
I can be. I'm really friendly to the checkout people at the grocery stores.
I like those interactions because they're really short.
But then these longer interactions, like you go to dinner with someone or you're going like,
I've tried to go on hikes and you're just so exhausted by the end of it.
You're like, how could I possibly be your friend? I really wanted to fall asleep 30 minutes ago.
Well, hiking is also, I'm not into hiking.
Everyone in L.A. likes to hike and I don't find the views to be that nice.
Once you get to the top.
So plus there's snakes.
So, you know, I have a real aversion to snakes.
I was gonna say you love physical activity.
You hate anything involving potential snake sightings.
Desert, dry, arid hikes.
That is like not my cup of tea.
Well, and that is California.
Exactly.
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It's all this fragile masculinity exuding.
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what a mess yeah no fucking joke seriously during the first part of quarantine i was subletting for
about a year in a pretty chill four-bedroom setup we weathered the lockdown together and actually
had fun at times as time went by some of the roommates were more laid back in their approach
about the coronavirus still dating partying going to underground clubs etc and when the lease was up
they decided that they wanted to go their separate ways well probably lucky for you because i was
unemployed and not on the lease i moved into a two-bedroom with one of the leftover roommates
and i stupidly signed a two-year lease that i could barely afford oh long story short well
long story long it's a nightmare living with him and i just found a job in denver after being
unemployed for almost a year i start remotely but have to move there by june and am leaving with my
boyfriend. I haven't told him yet that I want to break the lease. He was so terrible when our last
roommates told him that they didn't want to live with him anymore. So I'm scared to tell him and I
keep putting it off, causing crippling anxiety every day. I'm also scared my landlord is going
to sue me because the building sucks. So I'm thinking I can get out of that legally one way
or another. Has this ever happened to you? What have you done to confront someone you have lived
with? First of all, the anxiety that you're feeling about not confronting him is paramount
to what you would feel if you would just go ahead and confront him, which you need to do immediately.
And it's not a confrontation. It doesn't matter how he handled something in the past. We're in
a different time. So who knows? Maybe he'll handle it the same way or maybe he'll handle it
differently. But all you can control is how you handle it. And by not telling him, you're creating
way too much suffering for yourself. So, A, you need to go in and talk to him honestly and tell
him you got a job in Denver. You're moving to Denver. How do you get somebody in there to take
your place. That's the next move, right? Instead of necessarily, I don't even know if you need to
break the lease. I don't know what the landlord rules are in New York. I don't know about breaking
lease. But if you find somebody to take your place and fulfill that spot, then I don't think
you even need to get the landlord involved. You need to get your roommate on the horn immediately
because you don't want to waste time. Well, not even on the horn. Go home and have the conversation.
Whatever. Yeah, you need to talk to them because you want to give them ample time to either try
and find someone to sublet your room.
Going down to the wire
is just going to make it more stressful for everyone.
And you also can help be a part of finding somebody.
It is your responsibility
since you signed it to your lease,
but people get out of leases all the time.
So you just have to find a candidate
and you can work with your roommate
and say, hey, let's do this together.
I want to find somebody to fill my place too.
I have to leave.
I'm not going to be able to afford
to pay this rent anymore
once I leave and move to Denver.
So it's just not something
that you guys can avoid talking about any longer.
And also, it's not personal.
Like, you got a job.
So I think that that's something in the conversation
that this isn't that you just don't want to live with them.
They're going to understand that.
You have a new opportunity somewhere else
and you have to leave.
This isn't just because you no longer like
the living situation or conditions.
So you just need to pull the trigger
and have the conversation.
Yeah, and handle yourself with, like, dignity and respect
so that the person, if they spin out your roommate
and if he's freaking out, you're not feeding into that.
You just sit there and these are the facts.
And how are you going to find a solution?
Sweetheart, that was really great guidance.
Sweetheart.
I would like you to answer the last part of this question, though, because you've had multiple.
Would you I don't know if you call them roommates or live-ins, what you've had.
But I found out I lived with my cousin the other day.
My cousin, Michael, we were out.
I was at my family's and they were like, oh, remember when you lived with Michael?
I go, when?
They're like on 20th Street in Santa Monica.
You lived with him for like six months.
And I'm like, I don't remember living with Michael, not even one night.
Like, I don't remember.
There's no memory?
A six month.
It sounds like it's plausible, but I don't remember.
Well, six month period of time that I do not remember living with somebody, which hopefully
is how this guy is going to feel when he moves to Denver.
He won't even remember that he lived with this guy when he's in his 40s.
Well, let's talk about this.
What have you done to confront someone that you've lived with?
Have you had issues?
Because you've had multiple people live with you.
You've had old assistants.
You've had friends.
was there ever really like awkward or uncomfortable conversations that you had to have
uh yeah just about living together that oh well yeah because if i lived with guys either they
would try to sleep with me or i or i did sleep with them okay so that never worked out because
they would either become like almost like a little bit obsessed with you or you could like i've
become yeah basically i once lived with this elementary school teacher and i had no idea
that he had a crush on me i was in my early 20s okay and it became obsessive and he became a
little like borderline psychotic and I had to skedaddle. But I was so clueless because I had
a boyfriend. I talked about my boyfriend. I was with my boyfriend all the time. I thought he was
and then he really turned on me. So I have had uncomfortable situations like that. But and also
I've had raging blowout fights with roommates that I've lived with, you know, about bills or
about messes or about partying or whatever. I mean, all of it. But have I ever I don't think
post-therapy, I've had a situation where I had to ask someone to get out of my house.
I'm glad you don't have anyone living with you right now.
Right. So all the times that I've had to get people out of my house have ended badly.
Okay.
Because of my disposition, because I wasn't handling it like an adult. I was like,
you know, you got to get out. I don't like this. Or, you know, it was like just an open and shut
case.
In retrospect, even though you didn't handle it properly, who was actually in the wrong?
Well, I think in retrospect, when you look back at everything, you're not thinking about who's
the wrong or the right. You just look at it as a situation where two people are coming with
opposing perspectives. So it's not about right and wrong. It's just about understanding that
you're going to have a different perspective than your roommate does. Every roommate I've
ever had has ended poorly. I would never I would rather live in a van by myself to live with
roommates. Well, actually, speaking of vans, you should watch that movie with Frances McDormand
that won an Oscar. Nomadland. Yeah, that's she lives in her van and she outfits it and jury
rigs it and like sets it up and builds it out from the inside out i love francis mcdormand
she reminds me of my aunt gabby francis mcdormand you know just doesn't give a shit
about anything my aunt had a gun like nine or ten years ago and was gonna just go off on a van trip
with her gun and i was like what we can't let her go anywhere with a gun and a van like she will
kill herself and so i was watching it last night or someone else because she hates people yeah she
hates people my aunt and i texted it runs in our family and i texted her and i said i hope you're
watching nomadland because this would have been you if we hadn't saved you she should call into
the to the show we can give her some advice oh yeah she's real chatty so that would be a lot of
fun she could call and go fuck you chelsea i don't know what sort of advice would give her for that
but she could call and say it if she wanted to all right if you need advice if you're having
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