Life Will Be the Death of Me with Chelsea Handler - Dirtbag Punk with Kerri Kenney-Silver

Episode Date: May 28, 2026

Kerri Kenney-Silver (The Four Seasons, Reno 911) joins Chelsea to talk about the many lives she’s led as a frontwoman in a band, an actor and a mom, why Reno 911 is in the Epstein files, and grabbing every opportunity when it came to her.  Then: A new niece has a terrible nickname.  A 30-something investigates her pregnant bestie’s cheating husband.  And a dad is taking his new girlfriend to the cottage against his deceased wife’s wishes, and the kids aren’t happy about it.  * Need some advice from Chelsea? Email us at [e-mail] * Executive Producer Catherine Law Edited & Engineered by Brad Dickert * * * The views and opinions expressed are solely those of the Podcast author, or individuals participating in the Podcast, and do not represent the opinions of iHeartMedia or its employees.  This Podcast should not be used as medical advice, mental health advice, mental health counseling or therapy, or as imparting any health care recommendations at all.  Individuals are advised to seek independent medical, counseling advice and/or therapy from a competent health care professional with respect to any medical condition, mental health issues, health inquiry or matter, including matters discussed on this Podcast. Guests and listeners should not rely on matters discussed in the Podcast and shall not act or shall refrain from acting based on information contained in the Podcast without first seeking independent medical advice.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Oh, you probably won. Plus, John Stamos, Hayden Christensen from Star Wars, and more. And I guess I can share that, uh... No way. Listen to the latest episode of Hey Jonas on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, guys, here are my dates for the High and Mighty Tour. The 30th of May, I will be in Vegas at my residency.

In June, I will be in Saratoga Springs, New York, Port Chester, New York. I'm coming to Boston at the Wang Theater. I'll be in Portland, Oregon, Seattle, and then Hyannis, Massachusetts, and then two shows in Nantucket in August. You can find me in Red Bank, New Jersey, Montclair, New Jersey, and Calgary.

That's Canada. And September, I will be in Santa Barbara, San Diego, New York City, Philly, and New Haven, Connecticut. October is Atlanta, Baltimore, Saginaw, Michigan, Pittsburgh, Toronto, Boise, Idaho, and Spokane. And then in November, I'll be in San Francisco. I'm coming to Salt Lake City, Austin, Houston, Dallas, babies. I'll be there.

And then in December, I am closing out my tour in Denver and Vancouver. So get your tickets at ChelseaHandler.com for the High and Mighty Tour. Hi, Catherine. Hi, Chelsea. Hi. Do you have a new white man in your life? He's not white. Oh, he's not?

Is he lighter? Well, he's light. Okay. But we rescued another dog. His name is Ray J. Did he come with that? No. No.

I named him Ray J. We're sitting here waiting for him to arrive. We have adopted him. So exciting. He's a chow, and Doug needs a sibling. So I've been looking for a couple of months for a sibling for Doug, and then we were going to get this other dog, but he wasn't a full chow, and I really like chows, but they're hard to find in rescues.

Yeah. And then Ray J just popped up. And so they got up this weekend. I was away. I went to Bottle Rock. And then I went to my friend's wedding. So I was in Santa Barbara with Cowboy all weekend. And we had a fun re-unarse.

Great. And so now I'm just waiting for him to arrive. Oh, I love that. I'm so happy for you. I know. So hopefully Doug will be able to handle himself because Doug is dominant. Yeah. He's a dom.

Have they like played together already? No, no, no. They're meeting for the first time today outside. So it could go horribly wrong. and then next week I could say there is no more Ray J you know

we had to give him to another family I mean but hopefully not I think Doug will be so excited to have a friend I think so too

it's just that Ray J we'll have to see what Ray J's reaction to being personally invaded by Doug is because we had Cowboy's dog with us all weekend

Cowboy has a dog named Benny and Doug is an assaulter Doug wants to assault like humping everything like sexual everything

sexual and everything else and then eventually that all shakes out and they love to have fun together yeah so hopefully but Doug is definitely

dominant and this is his house yeah well he's got all his like dog friends up in whistler so hopefully this will just be more yeah i mean he really wants a lot of action and i just cannot provide that yeah see we tried to buy extra dogs to like play with mimsy and like keep her now they all just stare at us and want us to play with them individually yeah they do play together but it's like we have to be involved they're very right people oriented so hopefully hopefully they can play together yes yeah yeah yeah so your weekend was good it was three-day weekend yeah bottle rock festival i've never been up to that music festival that was amazing i saw lord perform she was out of this world i saw teddy swims perform lcd sound system yeah and they were all

great we all we just had a blast it was so much fun and then we we went to santa barbara on saturday and we went to a wedding that was really fun i handed out treats to a lot of different people everyone came over to me and they were like i hear you have the stuff and i was like okay i'm like, who told you? They're like, we just heard in general that you have the stuff. So the message is spreading. I love it. It's not like, not even like a dry wedding versus like a wedding with alcohol. It's like a wedding with alcohol plus party favor. Well, now everyone's doing shrooms and I'm like, I'm already over shrooms. Like I already passed that. That's like the passe to me now. So I'm onto the new stuff. What do you think about like, Michael Pollan

talks in that book about like doing a brain reset with hallucinogens and that sort of thing. what do you think about that? I feel like I'm 41. I kind of feel like it's time for a brain reset. You mean to do the drugs and to have a journey? Yeah, for sure. I think that's good. I've never done that like guided kind of, well, I did with ayahuasca, but, but I've never done like a guided, you know, mushroom sit or guided MDMA sit. You can do it with anything. Ketamine is pretty popular now, but that's not really my drug. I'm not disassociative. I don't like that. I don't like that feeling. I like to be, I like to be in my body when I'm high. I feel like I need something to help me deal with anxiety, but also I have anxiety about

using any kind of exciting drugs. There's a lot of anxiety going around these days. Yeah, absolutely. And yes, we need you to write in your questions, people, if you have any questions about relationships, about job dynamics, about interpersonal affairs, any sort of family drama that you're going through. If you want to call in with a family member or somebody that you're dating or you're in a relationship with or a friend or a coworker, anything like that. We welcome couples.

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Get your tickets at ChelseaHandler.com. Well, let's get into our exciting guest today. So you know our guest today from Reno 911, and she is returning in the second season of Netflix, The Four Seasons. Please welcome Keri Kenney-Silver. Oh, my God. Kerry Kenny Silver is here today. I mean, we are re-unarse. We're trying to figure out how long it's been since we saw each other last. Oh, I don't like it.

But it's been probably, I don't think it's been 10 years. No, it can't. It can't have been. No, no, no. But we did meet 23 years ago when I did a guest episode of Reno 911. The very first episode of Reno 911. Was it? Oh.

You were on the first episode of Reno 911. There was a pilot, but then the first official episode, you were on. Oh. Are you sure? Well, 2003. So 2003 was the first year that the show aired. I think I was- Let's just say first season. Let's say first season. Yeah, because I knew of the show before I was on it. So it had to have been after it debuted.

Okay, first season. Even though I like that honor and accolade. That was the first, was it the first time I urinated on a set? But from laughing? No, girls behaving badly. I was like, where did you urinate? No, urinated like from laughing too hard while we were filming because- I was going to say we could check Wikipedia because there's a section for that. That show was so ridiculous. And I know people probably bother you all the time about redoing it.

And didn't you guys redo it? We did. Yeah. It's a show that never ends because Niecy Nash keeps bringing it back and I love it. And we actually just did an interview together the other day and she said, never say never. She's the one who instigates every time we come back. But we just had, we just did a movie two years ago. Right, yes.

We did two more seasons the year before that. So yeah, it just keeps, you know, at a certain point. No, I disagree. Talking about reruns or like recreating shows, there's a couple of people that are, there are a couple of shows that are being redone that you're like, this is not necessary. But I mean, a lot of them, you know, let's be honest. A lot of them, you're like, this is, nobody has another idea. Like you're going to resurrect a show from however many years ago.

And some of them are worthwhile, but that show doesn't matter who, how old anybody is. It's so ridiculous. You knew where I was going to go with that. It doesn't matter. You're right, actually, because we were never qualified to be cops in the first place, so age shouldn't matter. I remember we shot somewhere, maybe it was, was it Reno? No, no, no, no, because we have only been there one time, the whole group. We've only been there one time.

We would send a B camera there to do, you know, shots of the city and stuff to add to the show. But as a group, we hadn't been there since we were promoting the movie Reno 911 Miami, which was years into the show itself. I love Reno 911 Miami. It's like CSI Whistler, Miami, San Diego. So ridiculous. So that's how we first met. And then you would come on Chelsea Lately all the time on the panel, which was such a nice delight because we were friends and we saw each other a lot more frequently in those days. And you were able to like, and it was fun to always have my friends on Chelsea Lately because, you know, yeah, even though you're not a traditional standup comic, you're a comic. No, but I miss that show because that was the first time I was ever on a show where I was myself. I was terrified, but you were so supportive and you're so fast that I always felt like if that glazed look came in my eye, like, I don't know, you would just jump in. You'd reach down and grabbed that toddler out of the pool and you would save that joke. So I always felt so supported, but also you were just, you, you are such a laugher and you are such a fan of other people and you, you love showcasing other people. So it was such a great place to sort of try things. And then if you felt like you were flailing, you would, you would pull us out.

Oh, well, that's a very nice compliment. Thank you, Carrie. That's so sweet. Yeah. It was nice when you have four people on a panel because you can kind of bounce off the walls and it doesn't behoove anybody for anybody to not do well. You know what I mean? Exactly.

everyone is trying to make everybody it's kind of like keeping the plates up you're like okay if that if if we have a bad panel if one person doesn't look good we all don't look good so you want to help and support each other yeah and carrie has a wonderful husband and a wonderful son a husband i just have to say one thing about your husband okay especially now that we know that most men are garbage i you are so blessed i know and he is blessed of course to be with you because you're a blessing but and i don't you throw the word blessing you know you don't okay maybe a first be honest okay hashtag blessing is on every one of your igs but steve is one he's a cinematographer correct dp cinematographer and he is one of the most gentle men i've ever met

like just gentle like sees everybody sits down with everybody listens to everybody because he's very perspicacious because that's what he does for a living is watching people so he but he takes you in. And he's one of those guys that is not disgusting, has no gross ulterior motive. And I know all men are not bad. I know that. I know there are good men around. I get it. There's lots of them. And most of my friends are married to good men. But when you hear all this news and you constantly hear these stories, you're just like, oh my God, who is it? It would be quicker to name all the people who weren't on Epstein Island than to try and figure out how many people were. Yeah. Don't think I didn't look everybody up. By the way, Reno 911 is in there. Tom Lennon

and I were laughing our ass. I was on FaceTime with him and I said, oh my God, we're in the Epstein files. He's like, please don't. I said, no, no, no. This is a perfect reason to bring the show back. To solve the Epstein file. It's an email that was going from somebody to somebody about Universal and what was coming out that week. And it was Reno 911 Miami. And I was like, okay. oh that's funny but anyway i know and thank you for saying that about my husband steve i love celebrating him and because he is like in the you know he's a dp so he's he's he's the kind of the watcher he's the quiet he's the he sees everything and he he's the grounder to me and my you know tasmanian devil friends but um he shot big bang theory two and a half men

mom he's now shooting leanne and she's an angel and i'm so glad he's working with sweetheart yeah and just a genuine talent and so happy to be there which is like such a great thing at this moment is in his career too to be with someone like that um yeah but i'm just so lucky and we have such an amazing kid and i i can't believe how much of my life has has lined up. I can't believe it because it shouldn't have. I mean, I look at like, you know, just the scattered ideas and things I was reaching for when I was younger, just anything. And then the fact that it's lined up in this beautiful way, I sometimes can't believe it's my life. And I'm so, I love that you see that. He's always adored you, always adored you.

That is beautiful. What did you think was like, where, like, tell me about that. Talk about that When you're thinking about having scattered, because I felt like that, like I felt like a pinball when I was like, you know, in my early twenties, I was out here, but I didn't know where I was going. And I just was kind of like, you know, like frenetic. Yeah. It's funny though. You say that, but it doesn't come across like that.

We're talking about you, Carrie. Don't even. From the outside, for example, your career looks very, I don't want to say planned, but it looks like it it made strategized no like everything made the next logical sense and there was a progression is a progression and it doesn't look chaotic in the same way that probably mine doesn't look chaotic although on the inside you know because i graduated college and had my own television show at graduation with the state i mean who who has that there's nothing chaotic about that and you also in your band and and my band we which online is they are demanding getting

that not only are we here but the head is leaning it looks like a cat from this angle but anybody who watches this podcast or listens to this podcast knows that i would never have a cat in my house oh my god i mean if somebody came with a cat obviously i wouldn't kick them out but i don't have cats for those listening at home my dog mimsy is snuggling carrie's foot he's resting his head on my foot. Oh my God, he is. Oh, trying to take it off. Oh, it's a she. Yeah, it's a she. It's okay. Her vagina's not out, so Carrie couldn't see it. Not at the moment. I misgendered her and now she's mad. You're a beautiful girl. You're banned. Yeah. So there's an example of some... I did what I think you probably did

and I continue to do, which is the next indicated step, right? So somebody says, hey here's this thing or this idea and i go yeah and they go do you want to read it first and i go no i'll do it and then it either uh produces something which the state has obviously and continues to 38 37 years later the band was literally our boyfriends were in bands and they were all on tour and had extra instruments laying around the band is cake like it's an impossible name to remember. And then everyone says, oh, it's like the band Cake. We were, no, it was Cake Like because a couple of us worked at a bakery and there were on the box of brownies, it says for moist or cake-like brownies. So we picked Cake Like.

Why not moist? Everyone loves that word. Well, now today, maybe that's the reboot. I think like, for example, with the band, it was just like, oh, there's instruments laying around here. Let's play them. And some guy poked his head into the practice space and said, hey, we've got a show this weekend in Brooklyn. Do you guys want to play it? And we're like, oh, no, no, we're not a band. And he's like, well, you sound like a band. And we were like, oh, well, I mean, we have three songs. We don't really. And he's like, well, come play your three songs. And we came and played our three songs. And John Zorn was at that show and said, I want to make a record with you.

And we were like, well, we only have three songs. He's like, well, you better quickly write some more. So we did and put it out with Avant, this Japanese label, got three and a half stars in Rolling Stone, our first album. Holy shit. And then Rick Okasik found us, said, I want to make a single with you. He said, can I bring some friends to your show? And his friends were Neil Young and a bunch of other people.

and neil said i want to sign you as my second band to this new warner brothers label i'm doing so we yes yes yes yes yes and yes and yes and yes and yes and we just kept going that's amazing same with you know the state ends and tom and michael black and ben were like we want to do you know the viva variety we want to do viva variety which was a sketch we had done on the state as a show yes okay yes and we did that for years and then you know like that led into reno which leads into and so i think the difference is this is the longest winded answer of all time i love it but i think the difference is between now and then is that back then i felt like these things were swirling around me and i was just grabbing at them someone would reach in and say do you

want to do this. And I'd go, yes, yes, yes, yes. Now, because I have to be a more grounded person, just by nature of age and health and the world, I still see those opportunities. They're still happening, thank God. But I feel like I am able to more clearly and confidently say, yes. And then walk into those spaces with more peace. I felt like I was tumbling into those other spaces going, what are we going to do? What do you need for me? And now I feel like I can own them more in a sense. Yeah. That's a very interesting, all while having the same exact haircut. For all this time, she's had the same exact haircut. This is not true. And I really hope you're going to put a flash of all the haircuts. When did you have a different haircut?

when sugar beans have you not seen i posted one of those look at my what what was mom like in the 90s thing oh okay all it is is a parade of haircuts and colors like short layers oh honey like yeah pick a color short layers on short hair no no no let's see what's going on coming up here well this this was before i met you but i like one of the things i admire about you is that you've had the same haircut since I've known you and I find that to be pretty inspiring like you found something you liked I because I just cut my hair like a couple days ago I was like I can't do this anymore and they're like what and they're like there's nothing that's going to be that big of a change I'm like I know I just have to either change the part or cut it I need an update like

I need I know what you mean I feel this is a this is a first this first time I'm ever saying this out loud in the world. This is an exclusive. So everybody lean in. I've decided I don't love jewelry or accessories of any kind. I'm with you on that. So a blunt haircut is my accessory. Yeah. Okay. That's cute. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. This is a lot of different hairstyles. Oh, it's not even all of them. Wait. Oh, what were you like in the 90s? I see. I'm loving those. I am too, but they're nostalgic. They're making me kind of sad.

God, you look a lot like this friend of mine. Wow. Is it Dame Judi Dench? Wow. Yes, she and I have just gotten very tight. She's actually upstairs. Oh, I thought I heard her. Oh, hey, have you been thinking about writing in to Dear Chelsea?

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Everyone has a good time and no one gets mad at their publicist for letting them do our show we've had a lot of great guests like sarah sherman not that great actually can you help me can you help me shape this yeah how about we flip it on his head okay how about we flip the script okay what is the surprise woman who actually you think is the straight man is actually the one who's acting weird adam scott this entire time you've been expecting adam sandler to come to visit the show i i would never let go of that i have i would never set expectations for something like that it seems like if the universe allows for something like that to happen i'm open to it i'm always going to accept you know danny mcbride fine yeah it's all this fragile masculinity exuding i could

smell it walking down the hallway to be honest with you i was like is that weed nope it's fragile masculinity ben stiller no because a lot of times in out of context people don't get it or even know what a circle is you know what i mean like you're like oh what's this everyone's so dumb and fake right fake and and also not interested or just like oh i've got my life i don't care about your life and a lot of other big shots that wouldn't be where they are without us oh and by the way will ferrell told us personally he loves the show and he wants to be a on every episode, but he's just so busy. Listen to Hollywood Handbook on the iHeartRadio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I love all that you're saying because I think when you're younger, yeah, you're right. Like you're describing, I think what you're describing is like this sense of freneticism where you're kind of just almost like a balloon,

you know, like you're bouncing around and you're just kind of catching to see what catches and what doesn't. And the good thing about that youthfulness that I think you're able to take into your adult life is that when things don't work, it doesn't matter because there's so much static and energy that you're like, okay, what's next? What's next? And I kind of feel that way today in a much more grounded sense, like what you're describing. When things don't work out, there's no big reaction.

Like with professional stuff, you're like, oh, okay, well, that happens all the time. I know that now. So it's nothing to get so upset about. Whereas when I was younger, it would be a huge reaction. And then a week later, you would forgot that that even happened. And then also a week later, you would go, thank God that didn't happen, because then this wouldn't be able to happen. So learning that lesson over time, my favorite Niecy Nash, she didn't invent it, but I heard it from her, rejection is God's protection. That thing of like, but I wanted that thing. And that was going to be the thing. And I thought this was the thing. And then when it's not the thing. You're like, thank God that wasn't the thing because this is the thing.

And if I was over there doing this thing, I couldn't have done this thing. So I think like you say, over time, the more times that happens to you, which is in this business, all that happens over and over and over and over again, then you start to learn, oh, there's a rhythm to this. There is enough work for everybody. Everything happens when it's supposed to. It just is. Are you one of those people who thinks everything that happens, happens for a reason? Yeah, I don't know about that. I just am in this new, like, I'm starting to sort of, I'll say this. I listened to the telepathy tapes. Steve and I listened to them. And they've really kind of changed a lot of stuff for us. you know it just now there now there's a lot of new questions for me and it's all positive and it's it's starting to make me i'm getting kisses full kisses now is that all right with

consent are you kidding me i can't believe you're getting sexually assaulted we're gonna need some i love it i just hope this doesn't wind up on wiki feed i do pretty well she has only fans she has a foot account yeah you can just download it or upload it to that we'll just have our webcam going it goes straight to it anytime someone takes a shot of my foot i thought you meant katherine was blowing kisses at you i was like that's very unusual never heard you do that that i would not have acknowledged i just allowed it to happen quietly um no i just i i don't know if everything happens for a reason But I am all of a sudden, and it's kind of gross to me because I think of myself as this New York City girl who smokes cartons of cigarettes, doesn't give a shit about anything. I show up, I do shit, you don't like it, too bad. I trip into something else. I eat Snickers bars for breakfast.

that's that's the me that i still think i am at my core well when you're looking at right now in real time at this 56 year old woman with a bob haircut you know who drove here in a nice car i don't feel like this lady i feel like that lady so when things come out of my mouth like i've been listening to the telepathy tapes and now i'm questioning things like quantum physics and you know like universal intelligence universal intelligence which to me that sounds so much like what you're talking about like it all was existing and you're like yes i'm going to grab this opportunity and that opportunity and it goes right along with what you know what they talk about in telepathy tapes about like all of that intelligence exists and it's just do you have

access to it can you tap into it that sort of thing but my my reason i think for arriving at this new excited time about learning about this stuff, whether it's real or true or not, just wanting to know more about it, meditation, journaling, these words are coming out of my mouth, which is like, what? But the reason is because there was an emergency. And the emergency was the world started to like really affect me physically. And it felt like, oh, if I want to keep momming and wifing and friending and working and living, I better like find some tools right now. And all of a sudden, all that judgment about, you know, centering and being open to listening to my body and all these things I was like oh I see uh some of this really does make a

lot of sense and now I have this really rigorous morning routine that I do oh I love it tell us what do you do um I love this I mean I think you love this because you know what's funny Chelsea you and I 10 years ago would have been sitting together chain smoking laughing about this shit together yeah but but the the world what's happened in the world or I don't know I think it's also as you age, you just start to grow up and it's a byproduct. It is a definitely like a California LA thing also is on the fast track. Like my New York friends are not as like into all the shit that I'm in, but you definitely get to an age. Like, I mean, for you, I, you know, it was more of a health issue. I remember. And for me, it was a mental health issue. Like it was

like both, both. Yeah, exactly. It's all connected. And so it, you know, it is a health issue. It's just like you, everything that's been working doesn't work anymore. And you have to figure out a different coping mechanism, so to speak, a different set of tools to actually carry you through and lift you up because all of the devices that you had been using or that had been working for you just don't seem to work anymore. Or are backfiring or are doing the opposite. Like Oprah always says this thing, things work for you until they don't. And I would always be like, what the fuck does that mean? I don't understand what that means until I understood what that meant. Like my bravado, my loudness, my, this big, like cover that I had for

myself or this big kind of protective armor that I had worked for me for a long time until it's like, okay, now what? I want someone to come in. Yeah. Yeah. And then you're invulnerable and you're like, uh, okay, what am I covering up? What's inside that I'm scared to reveal what's going on. So like, I think it is a natural way of growing and evolving as a woman, especially. Oh, well, I don't know about you, but I, I have received calls from so many girlfriends in my life who over the years, I sort of look at as the like normal ones, you know, they've never had major health problems or major depression or major this or that. They're not artists, so to speak, have called me in the last several years, like almost on the DL from their closet

going, something is going on. I think I'm losing my mind. And I'm like, no, you're not losing your mind. Here's what's happening. First of all, we're women of a certain age, right? Nobody ever talked about that. I was never told about that. So first get to your doctor and get your blood levels checked period right hormones checked everyone if you feel like you're losing your shit first get your hormones yeah and sometimes that's it and you get that adjusted or you do whatever you have to do health-wise to get that adjusted but then also i think at the same time for those of us with kids who had kids around the same time you start to come to that point where your kid is now launching into the world and the world that your kid is launching into today is is for many of us quite

terrifying. Yeah. So I agree. All of a sudden it's like, okay, what do you got for me? Because you and I, I think have, have a similar speed, which is like, I see the brick wall. Everyone is telling me there's the brick wall. And not only am I going to like accelerate into the brick wall, because now you're telling me that there's a brick wall, but I'm going to go through that brick wall. And I'm going to show you that on the other side of it, like good things are to come for me. Well, guess what? That doesn't work that way. Yeah. So I sort of push myself, you know, health wise and work wise, overextending myself through those walls till I was like, oh, okay, this is what people mean by, you know, take a minute or, you know, maybe this one thing that you're doing

isn't working for you. And it's okay to admit that. So I just now, when I wake up in the morning, I'm not invented any of this, that you're going to wreck every single thing. You're going to go, oh yeah, that's from this. That's from this. I just have this little toolbox now. Gross. Even that I'm saying toolbox is gross. I wake up in the morning. The very first thing I do, if it's dark or light, I have to be outdoors. I don't care where I am. I step outdoors. If it's a place I can be barefoot, then I'm barefoot. I stand outside and I sort of look around and I've started doing this thing that I heard Patti Smith say, which is I thank something first. First thing in the day, I thank something. I catch myself thanking my fork for getting my food to my mouth

internally sometimes now, but I will thank, you know, whatever I, whatever's the first thing that comes to mind or to sight. Then I will journal. I will do my daily meditation. I have to do one to two meditations a day. How long do you journal for typically? Journaling can be five minutes. I can be swept away by it and then go do the rest of my morning routine, come back and I'm doing it for another hour and it becomes something else that's for work or whatever. I have to move my body, have to listen to music, have to eat, which I know sounds ridiculous, but there would be days where I would be like, I have to get this project done. I have to get this thing done. I have to get these emails done. I have to get my son's whatever done

and it's four o'clock and I haven't eaten and I'm wondering why. So it's just really like there's nothing earth shattering about any of it. It's basic stuff, But from somebody who has spent their life, you know, swirling through these – I've had 10 lifetimes. People go, oh, you were in a band for all those years traveling around the world? When did that happen? But then how were you also doing these four TV shows that you were co-creating and you were in? And, but then how were you also, you raised a kid, you have a 20 year old and you were there for every game, every robotics match and you're a wife and you were at all of the tapings for the this. Wait, how are all those people? So I'm enjoying this stage of like, I don't know. I don't know everything. I don't know all the answers. And when I read about a tip or I hear Patti Smith say, try thanking even the physical objects in your life, I go, all right.

And I try it. And some of the things have stuck. And now I feel slowly like I am more centered than I've ever been in my life, which is so awesome. I also think the language that we use around our toolbox, like I know you're saying it's gross because, you know, whatever, because you don't want everyone to think you're like a woman. It's not very punk rock to say I have an emotional toolbox. toolbox. But it is punk rock to be cool about your emotional toolbox. Do you know what I mean? You can make that punk rock. Like it is punk rock because it fucking works and people change and they realize like, oh, actually the way for me to be the most effective and like luscious human being is to get a fucking toolbox. You know what I mean? That makes, there's like a magnetic attraction between you and the world when you're walking outside in the morning, looking at the

trees and thanking them for being there, you know, but I can relate to everything you're saying. just hearing it come out of your mouth makes me laugh. I know. I know. And in beginning, when I started doing this, like what you're talking about, when I started meditating, when I started, when I went into real therapy, when I did all that stuff, I would just be like, Oh God, I can't tell anyone about this. People are going to be like, what are you talking about? Like I have like a personality change. Like it's like, I got a personality transplant because there's like a transitional period of time where you're like, what am I doing? And who am I acting like? And is this real? Am I, and then you'd like hiding it, you know,

I'd be meditating. I'm like, okay, nobody could see me doing this. It's a secret. It's like, actually it works better if you don't give a shit who's seeing you meditate. You know what I mean? It's so true. You got to be loud and brave about all the things that you're into at the time. And it's okay to change your mind and be into other things that you believe are helping you. That's cool. I was on a red carpet the other day at South by Southwest. And this young woman said, what kind of music are you listening to these days? I just was totally honest with her. I said, you know what I'm listening to? On rotation on Spotify, calming piano music for dogs. That's not very punk rock.

I was looking for a sound. I like to sleep to the rain machine, right? That rain app that you get on your phone. And I was looking for a sound and I was with this guy the other night and he was like, can we please just not have a thunderstorm? Like it's very, he's like, it's very unsettling. You're like, this isn't getting you hot. I'm like, I need it to sleep. I need some sort of rain. I love the rain. And so he's searching all the sounds.

And one came up was a food court ambient. No, no. And I'm like, who the fuck wants to listen to that as they go to sleep? And who's sleeping in a food court to even know that they like that sound? But some of those sounds are just like, oh, this makes no sense. But who knows what people are into, I guess. When I first moved to California, my mom sent me, this is how long ago it was, cassettes of New York street sounds because it was so quiet. It creeped me out. And I would play

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Our show is extremely accessible to first-time listeners. Each week, we talk to someone in show business, a.k.a. The Biz, and try to help them with their careers and see what they have to offer us. Everyone has a good time, and no one gets mad at their publicist for letting them do our show. We've had a lot of great guests like Sarah Sherman. Not that great. Actually, can you help me shape this? How about we flip it on its head?

How about we flip this around? okay what is the surprise woman who actually you think is the straight man is actually the one who's acting weird adam scott this entire time you've been expecting adam sandler to come to visit the show i i would never let go of that i have i would never set expectations for something like that it seems like if the universe allows for something like that to happen i'm open to i'm always going to accept you know danny mcbride fine yeah it's all this fragile masculinity exuding i could smell it walking down the hallway to be honest with you i was like i was like is that weed nope it's fragile masculinity ben stiller no because a lot

of times in out of context people don't get it or even know what a circle is you know what i mean like you're like oh what's this so stupid everyone's so dumb and fake right fake and and also not interested or just like oh i've got my life i don't care about your life and a lot of other big shots that wouldn't be where they are without us oh and by the way will ferrell told us personally he loves the show and he wants to be a guest on every episode but he's just so busy listen to hollywood handbook on the iheart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts first of all we need to talk about your project four seasons we got off on a tangent about all of our new shenanigans. The second season of Four Seasons is out today on the day you're hearing

this. So this is very exciting. It's a phenomenal show. Tina Fey created it with, you're married to Steve Carell in the show. In the show and the first season. If you haven't watched the first season, I don't want to spoil it for you because you might want to rewatch it. Yeah, if you haven't watched the first season, watch the first season before you watch the second season. Yes. That's good advice. Yes. And are we going to see any sort of, I know there's lots of like different couple situations happening in the show. In season two, are we going to see any sort of like sexual, any sort of swinging, something like that? That's what I'm expecting to happen. You know what? I will say this about season two. Just like season one, as the scripts were rolling

in and I thought, oh, I know what's going to happen now, especially because it was based on a movie the first time on Alan Alda's film, you kind of knew what was coming. I was surprised every time this season same thing every time a script came in it was like a delightful surprise it was like oh i did i i never saw this coming and this is exactly what should happen so oh there's so i'm so excited about this season oh i'm so happy for you that's a great role i'm happy for me too perfect i love it okay well you can tune in today you guys it's streaming on netflix if you're watching this on netflix right now switch over to four seasons oh that's a good idea yeah Your dog has an ankle fetish.

She does. She's like, she's licking my ankles now. So you said that she started licking my ankle. I need an ankle licking dog. That would be a nice way to fall asleep with somebody licking your feet at night. But specifically, I think a dog. Well, our first question is our one drink question. So this is just a little shorty.

This person says, I love my new little niece, but my brother and sister-in-law have the worst nickname for her. her name is Naomi but they exclusively call her nipple whoa me it makes me cringe so hard I feel like my stomach's gonna fall out through my butthole they keep using the baby talk version of her name and it feels like we're all expected to just join in can I just blatantly keep calling her by her government name Brenda yes you can do whatever you want you don't have to adopt a nickname because someone else adopts a nickname whoa me is a little tricky but parents are allowed to do whatever the fuck they want with their children with in terms of nicknames you know

they just are yeah yeah and then they'll change throughout the years too hopefully with woe me right yeah let's hope not oh me with it while i have a friend nine naomi and then my friends call her nigh and i always have trouble with that too because i'm like nigh that doesn't that's not euphonious to me that's just me i've heard no me for naomi but woe me is like a whole other thing Woe me. It sounds like maybe they did it because the child wasn't able to say their own name. So they're sort of mimicking what the child said. I think this is like a little, an infant, I think.

Well, that was what I took from it. Well, hopefully when that infant starts talking, she can tell her parents to shut the fuck up. That's true. Let's hope so. Well, our first caller today is Grace. I'm so nervous. Dopey, dopey. Look at you in your car.

So Grace says, must I begin with how much of a Chelsea fan I am? I think not. We know how I ended up here. My friend of 16 years and her husband are due with their second child this month. They also have a toddler. Her husband's work schedule has a lot of out-of-town time for being a salesman at a local equipment rental company. Supposedly, they sent him to the next state over for training recently, and then to the far west side of the state this week. Oh, and they're sending him to Cabo, and while my friend could have gone, she's conveniently too close to her due date to fly.

I'm feeling more and more sure that he is cheating on her and plan to call his company looking for a job to ask some questions related to how and where his training takes place and narrow down if I'm on track. The thing is, if I find out what I think is true, my friend doesn't have a lot of support from her family and me and our other close friend live hours away. If I find out the truth, I couldn't stomach not telling her, but being so close to delivering their second child, I know it would really do a number on her. I just need some guidance to ensure my moral compass is guiding me in the right direction.

Should I confront my friend about her? Investigation strongly suggests cheating husband, Grace. Hi, Grace. Hi. Hi. This is our special guest, Keri Kenney-Silvers, here today. That's a conundrum. I understand your feelings.

I've definitely felt that way in relationships before without my friends. But I do not think it is your job to investigate this matter. I understand that you want to do everything for your friend and I would I would want to do the same thing but in the situation that she's in which is about to give birth like she's already in a very vulnerable state and she's going to need a lot of support like it's and she'd probably end up I mean it's just adding on top of you know like this is not the right time and if he is cheating on her she's eventually going to find out you bringing this information to her at this time would probably, if anything, do more damage to your relationship with her than it would to

her relationship with her husband. Bingo. That's exactly what I was going to say. Also, I don't know if you're a mom, but I'll tell you that part when you're about to have the baby and then right after you have the baby, this is about the baby. And mom's mood is directly related to the health of this baby and then the bonding that happens after. And P.S., my suspicion is that if you think this, she probably is way ahead of you on any thoughts. And I agree that it's maybe possibly the worst timing in the world. Thank y'all. I definitely needed to hear that because, you know, it's such a conundrum of a position to be in. I did call and asked as if I was inquiring about a job, if they do any training out of town, if they do any work out of town. And basically I was

told, nope, we do all training in house. We don't ever send our guys like out of town. We aim for everybody to be home at the end of the day. So, you know, that just kind of like continues to confirm my suspicion but I definitely agree with what y'all are saying about you know just supporting her and not making that move right this minute what do you think Carrie and what do you guys think about saying something to the husband just to give him an idea that you know like what do you think about that that just popped into my head independent of your friend like leaving her out of it being like you know like kind of calling him out on like just you and him like even just asking no I'm just throwing it out there I'm not giving you this advice I'm just wondering

what impact that would have if you said like hey just so you know like you know I had a friend apply or I had a friend who was looking for a job who wanted to whatever you can make up whatever you want to find out the information that you just found out or I just thought your traveling sounded suspicious so I called your work and I actually found out that they don't send trainers out. I'm not going to say anything to your friend right now, like your wife. I'm not going to say anything. I just want you to know that I see you. Like, I wonder if that would have any impact. What do you think? I, my personal feeling about the whole situation, all I can think about is this kid. And so I kind of feel like this is their journey and your job is as her friend and her job

is as that mom. And this will work itself out how it's supposed to, but to light the fuse at a time that is not of their own making would possibly blow things up. Or like Chelsea's saying, could blow things up with your, because you could also be wrong and it could blow things up with your friendship forever. And she would be like, what are you doing trying to come between my kid and my husband and, and my life. And that would be horrible as well. So I fear for all of you. Yeah, I think that's right. And being the only mother that's here in this conversation, are you a mom? Okay. So let's, let's defer to carry on that too, because it is really the most important thing is for the child and for her to be healthy and to kind of get through this for,

you know initial time and if at some point you find like irrefutable proof that that is indeed happening then that's a different situation like but you doing detective work on her behalf well I think that like shows you're a fucking awesome friend I don't think it's helpful in this moment and in this situation down the road if things start to escalate and you really see like he's being disrespectful to her and she's suffering and these things are plainly obvious to everyone but her, because I do kind of disagree that I think that sometimes women don't know what's going on, especially if they're pregnant and they're consumed with all of that, that you're kind of like not thinking about that kind of stuff. And, and some women are in denial about

the, what their partner is doing. But I, I just think, yeah, just be as great of a friend as you can be while she's going through this time, help her go through this time, knowing what you suspect, but you still don't really know and see where you are in a year or even down the line. It may all reveal itself and you may not have to ever say anything, but I appreciate the friendship and the fact that you're calling about this. I get it. Yeah. You can't lose by putting all of this energy that you have right now into being the best friend you can to someone who is about to have a baby. Because that way, if it does blow up, she'll know, oh, my friend is here. She's been here for me from the beginning. And I do have someone on my side. Or if the relationship

doesn't blow up and it's not a thing, you have just made your relationship closer with her anyway. And it could be an anecdote you could laugh about years from now. So either way, you can't lose by just diving into your friendship and your help in her situation. I agree well thank y'all I appreciate your your input all right thank you and thank you for having a stable connection in your car I appreciate that you're so welcome it does not always happen thanks great I'm glad it worked out take care Grace all right bye bye you guys thank you I actually think having talked to her before that advice probably is a relief to her yeah because I know she's very worried to deliver that news yeah she was worried about it coming out and you

know, this sort of thing. So I had a friend once go through something like this, like, you know, and I remember I had said something to the partner of the friend in front of everyone. And then when it was revealed, which was not revealed by me, it was revealed. The friend came back and was like, do you remember when you said that? And I was like, yeah. And she's like, were you suspicious in that moment? I said, yeah. And she goes, well, why didn't you say anything to me? I go, I did. I said it in front of everyone. She didn't want to hear it. This is weird. I go, I wasn't going to push it beyond that. I didn't have any proof. I just felt like something was off right it was an inkling but my friend did not have that inkling at all so i don't think

you know everyone or was not ready for it or yeah or wasn't paying attention well and you raised such a good point about like she's pregnant she's got a two-year-old so this has been at least three years that she's like not had yeah the thought process of like is my husband running around she's a little busy she's busy yes this goes back to my my original comment when carrie set down that men are garbage. Good night, everybody. Confirmed. Well, it is funny not to bring it back to the four seasons, but that is, uh, if you have watched season one, the whole, everything revolves around the fact that Steve Carell, my husband has been cheating on me for years. And that's what blows up this, this friendship. That's what gets you to the couples

retreat. Exactly. So it's a, it's a, have you ever done anything in real life? Like a couple's retreat? No. Well, in the four seasons, it's not a couple's retreat. What it is, is a group of friends of 25 years who travel together every season. So they were traveling any, we were traveling anyway, but you watch the downfall of our relationship through the travels and then what happens to the rest of the group throughout the travels. But a couple's retreat, no. Like one that would be specifically designed for like, you know, enhancing your relationship or like I just find those things like no ew yeah I don't I mean I may be like meditating and journaling but I'm not gonna like sit with my husband and be like stare into each other's eyes

just give it another 10 years the next time we see each other you're gonna come back and you'll be like Chelsea you're never gonna believe this I'm running I could actually that would be a great character for you to play too somebody running a couple's yes well we have a caller calling in now who is hopefully not a garbage man. I don't think he's a garbage man. But this is Joseph. Wait, do you mean a man who is a piece of garbage? A man who is a piece of garbage, not a collector of garbage.

Not a collector of garbage. Those are probably great guys. That might be his job. I'm not sure. But Joseph says, dear Chelsea, my partner lost his mother about a year and a half ago. And the last year has been full of healing, grieving, and family time. My partner's father, Mike, talked about dating or seeking a non-romantic partner. And that idea was slowly accepted by the family.

but it was still a surprise to hear it spoken of within a year. Recently, Mike has been seeing someone and it has quickly moved into a full-on romantic affair that is being kept a secret. His girlfriend, Stacey, has spent time at the family cottage after all his children asked Mike not to take her there. My partner and I want Mike to be happy, but it started to feel so heavy to keep secrets within the family and to watch the overstepping of boundaries. My partner's sister is especially hurt and upset. At the end of the day, I just want to support my man and enjoy spending time with his family we've expressed to mike that we want to meet stacy but she told mike she isn't ready for her ex-husband to find out and so this entire relationship is hush hush

taking her to the cottage really hurt the family's feelings especially because my partner's late mother explicitly asked for anyone he'd eventually meet to stay away from the cottage i'm most focused on what my partner is comfortable with and how we can best work as a team so how do we convince his sister and siblings that it's okay if Mike moves on. Joseph. Hi, Joseph. Wow, Joseph. Hello, how are you? Hi. I think I need a- Hi. I think, hi, this is Carrie Kenny, our special guest today. I need a recap. I understand it's your partner's father's new girlfriend. Is that correct? That is correct, yeah.

And they know about her, but he won't bring her around. Yeah. So since the letter, she is now been like in introduced to the family, but we've still had a ton of tension. And I think a lot of it has to do with just grieving that hasn't happened and worry that it's somehow going to take place of their mom, their mom's memory, if that makes sense. Yeah, of course. Yeah, that's natural.

Yeah. Can we also ask, like, what is the drama with the cottage? Like, why is the family so averse to her going there? I think initially my partner and I were just kind of floored that it wasn't being shared with everybody in the family. And the cottage was his mom's kind of final project that really was sat down on her deathbed and went through everything and how it was going to be coordinated. And it was being contracted all like leading up to that. So it was a space that also was then it's owned now by the kids. it was trusted to them. And that's why I thought it was so important that what their wishes are

honored about it as opposed to some getaway for their father. Can I ask you a question that is inappropriate? And you can tell me to fuck off. Sure. Is there an enormous age gap between the two of them. And do any of you suspect that there is any sort of financial, um, motivation? I think that was a concern upfront, but no, there's not a huge age gap. It's I think pretty relative, like 10 years. So it's not a huge, like outside of appropriate. And she is very, she's very successful in the same kind of realm that he has same business and industry. Because the reason I ask is because I have a friend who this happened to. Yeah.

This woman jumped in way the junior of mom and took all the money. Well, it happens all the time. Yeah, yeah. It happens all the time. Okay. So this really is about sentimental and mom's wishes and all the things. I lost my mom eight years ago. You knew my mom.

My mom loved you. I'm sorry to hear that. Thank you. I don't blame you. But I blame you a little. I blame you, actually, for her mother's death. Yeah, sorry for bringing it up. Well, we can't talk about it because it's still a legal issue.

It's not been completed yet. But, you know, she was my best friend. She was my – I could see how, you know, even as adults, that idea of – but that's mom and that's mom's place. My mom had a home that is now mine because I was her only child. And I didn't even want renters in there. I mean, I'm a 56-year-old woman. like my mom is no longer here. I still, I understand that. I do understand that. And especially if it involved, but at the same time, I do also understand that our time here is finite

and you guys' time with dad or dad-in-law is finite. His time on earth is finite and that some things are worth setting aside so that we never know how many more times we have left with somebody and is it really worth the the like angst angst that goes with the what's mine is mine what's yours is yours what's yours is mine what's mine yeah i agree with that totally but also it sounds like the mother was pretty specific about what she wanted to happen with this cabin right that she didn't want anyone else in there, especially if the partner, her ex-husband or former husband, I should say, was with a new partner, right? Did you specify that in her will? Yeah, that's correct. She definitely made mention of that very specifically at the end. Yeah.

So that is worth saying for your partner or sisters or somebody to bring up to be like, this is really disrespectful. We can understand that you want to have a relationship. You're a human being. That's your decision. If you're ready for that, that's fine. But this is a very specific instruction that we got. There's not a lot of gray area here. So it feels disrespectful to our mother. Again, you're not in like the nuclear family. You are a plus one right now. So I don't think it behooves you to get involved and get in the weeds in this. And I love the question, like, how do we work as a team so I can best support my partner? Like that's lovely. And that's true. that's what you want to do is you want to support whatever their decision may be but it is valid

that they are upset about this when they were because most people die and they don't give you specific instructions and then everyone's just fighting for no reason without anything to point to but this is pretty specific especially with regard to that location so that is kind of ick that the father is just like disregarding that but i guess i guess your question is just how to be a better partner. And I think it's like, whatever your partner and his sister decide, how many kids are there in the family? There's four. Oh, okay. So there's four of them. And are they all kind of in accord or do they have disagreements about this? I think at this point, it's mostly just,

we want to support the sister and her feelings that are pretty big about this. And I think the brothers are pretty, pretty okay with everything. They just want to see. Yeah. They don't know. Men don't care about anything. So that's fine. You know what? I think I figured it out. I think we need to stage a haunting. I think it's the only way out. You could borrow my house. We'll stage a haunting. No, I'm good. I'm good on that.

And it will spook the shit out of this lady. She'll want out immediately. And then they'll go find a nice condo somewhere. Perfect. What takes place in a haunting exactly? Witches come or you- Oh, this is going to be a dark haunting. No, no, no. I mean, like we fake it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Spooky noises in the night. Oh, yes, noises in the night.

Yes, blankets being sold for me. Bristling, branches. Hang out her old nightgowns on the floor. Mice are running through the pipes, stuff like that. That's good. Yeah, a creative project could be a good solution. It could bring everyone together. Yeah.

A nice light touch. Well, what I would say as the partner of somebody who has a sister, always side with the sister. You know what I mean? You don't fucking want her on your bad side. The men don't care. They're benign. They'll go whichever way the wind blows.

But women, just stick with the women. You are there for her. Support her. And if she needs you to side with her, then side with her. Perfect. That's crystal clear. I can do that. Okay, great.

Thanks so much, Joseph. Sorry for your loss, too. Yeah. Thanks for calling in, too. Thank you. Sorry for your mom's loss, as well. Thank you. Take care.

Thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you. Thanks. Bye. See? Not garbage. Not garbage.

I mean, now I feel bad that the phrase garbage person ever came up. And then this little sweet pea shows up. Oh, I thought he was gay. He is. He is. He is. Well, that's why. I know.

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This year, I met a man that's 15 years older than me. We hung out a few times. Sorry, I thought you were saying he's 15. I was like, wait, hold on. He's 15 years older than me. I'll just start pausing after the age. Okay, thank you. We hung out a few times and really enjoyed getting to know each other, and one night he kissed me.

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This is how I feel about your question. 14 years ago. He found out his wife was having a full-blown affair, and she begged him not to leave her as she didn't want anyone to know of her affair, including the kids, and she'd never cheat again. They agreed to stay together, but he's allowed to step out now. All of this would be okay, but he and I have caught feelings for each other, and it's no longer just a casual meetup. He even told his wife about me, and her problem isn't that he's stepping out. It's that I'm 15 years younger and single. I don't know how long I can do this, but I've fallen for this man. I'd love to hear your perspective on this as the woman in me wants to shake myself and tell

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and all the things. It's a blink of an eye and I understand why you're going through it, especially with two. I only have one, but I understand it feels like this is forever. And I am telling you, you're going to wake up one day in an empty house and you're going to go, oh my gosh, all I want to do is just have one more hour with that person, that smelly kid and his Axe body spray, and you're not going to have that. And right now is such a time when the kids are pushing away. It's their job. It's genetic.

It's supposed to happen. It's science. that they're pushing away. So I understand as a parent, you think, oh, well, they're off doing their own thing anyway. They don't need me. They need you. They need you energetically. They need you. Most people can't be home when their kids get home from school. It's just the way it is. The economy is in this country right now. And for me in my business, I was away a lot. That was the nature of our circus family business. But when I could be there, when I could be there in case he said, hey, I have a question or I'm thinking about this, he always knew I was open

and available and ready. And that to me is how I can sleep at night now. You have lots of time and you have seconds left with these people in your home at this stage of their life is all I'm saying just at this stage. And this is a vital stage. That's my take. Well, I think that's a great point to bring up because it wouldn't have been my point, but it is a point because my point is this isn't a relationship that is easily explainable to anybody. And imagine having to explain it to your children that your boyfriend lives with his wife and that you get to go over there and sleep over sometimes when she's okay with it. But her real concern is that like, it's all so fucking messy. There are a million people in this world. There are millions of men

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