Life Will Be the Death of Me with Chelsea Handler - Disagreeing with Isla Fisher

Episode Date: November 13, 2025

Isla Fisher joins Chelsea to talk about relying on friendships with women after divorce, ignoring her kids from the bathtub, and how Chelsea lost a closetful of Stella McCartney clothes.  Then: A mom dreads the boring parents at a play-date. A sister wants to parent her brother’s out-of-control kids. And a caller takes umbrage with her sister’s treatment, but Chelsea + Isla disagree on a plan of action. * Need some advice from Chelsea? Email us at [e-mail] * Executive Producer Catherine Law Edited & Engineered by Brad Dickert * * * The views and opinions expressed are solely those of the Podcast author, or individuals participating in the Podcast, and do not represent the opinions of iHeartMedia or its employees.  This Podcast should not be used as medical advice, mental health advice, mental health counseling or therapy, or as imparting any health care recommendations at all.  Individuals are advised to seek independent medical, counseling advice and/or therapy from a competent health care professional with respect to any medical condition, mental health issues, health inquiry or matter, including matters discussed on this Podcast. Guests and listeners should not rely on matters discussed in the Podcast and shall not act or shall refrain from acting based on information contained in the Podcast without first seeking independent medical advice.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm just hearing about all your travels. You're going everywhere. You're going to Antarctica. I can't keep track of you. I've had a busy, I haven't even gotten that far to Antarctica. Hopefully a suitcase shows up to show me what I'm bringing because I have been out. I did a show at the Improv.

that I went into a party for Marc Maron's podcast ending. Oh, that's so fun. And then I was with Fortune and Otsko and then Zoe, one of my poopsies. And then last night I went to go see my friend open for the Queen of the Stone Ages. And then we went out. So I am on a bender.

I love it. And I'm sure you haven't slept. You're like here with me. Well, no, I'm asleep. I sleep, I sleep, I sleep. But you know, I'm never fully rested because I just like to, well, complain. You love to burn the candle at both ends.

Yes, but I am leaving for Antarctica on Saturday morning and there's lots of interesting activities. They think there's going to be theme nights there and they think that I'm going to have read that part of the invitation, but that is going to be something that I miss. I went to Maria Shriver's 70th birthday this weekend and it was a 70s theme party

and I had just come from the Texas Book Fair. So it was perfect because I was like, oh, I didn't see that part of the, everyone's like, where's your outfit? I'm like, I didn't know this was a theme party. Also, like, you don't really dress up. So even if you did now. That's exactly right.

I'm not dressing up for theme parties. I have to bring so many puffy and ski clothes down to Antarctica. Like, I don't have room for theme night activities. No, ain't nobody got time for that. So I do me and everyone else does them. Exactly. And you'll probably be in bed with a book by then anyway. So it's fine.

Yeah. Have you been to Antarctica before? No, I have not. Which is a weird question to ask. I don't think people go on multiple trips to Antarctica, but unless you're like an ex, you know, unless you're an explorer, which, you know, I'm a life explorer, but no, this will be my first trip to Antarctica. We have a special guest, a surprise special guest coming and I'm going with my friend, but some guy I met in Vegas has decided to join us. So he got a ticket and he's coming too. So there could be so many different developments happening. There could be penetration in Antarctica. Oh, oh, oh my gosh. Well, then you're going to study like LSD and psychedelics and then also the effects of penetration in Antarctica.

And we're going to be studying LSD and the effects of psychedelics alongside penguins. So who knows what could happen? There's polar plunging. There's expeditions every day. My friend's like, are we going to go skiing? I'm like, I don't think there's a ski rental shop in Antarctica. But I mean, and I'm not really willing.

Isn't it like flat? I think of it as very flat. They have major crevasses and mountains. And I think so. I don't think it's flat, but who knows what I know? I mean, it's usually way off base. You didn't read that itinerary. No.

Well, you know what? I'm so excited for our guest today. She is so fun. Yes, yes. One of my dear friends. I love her. So you know our next guest today from Wedding Crashers, Arrested Development, and the Now You See Me, Now You Don't franchise.

Please welcome Isla Fisher. Okay. We're here with Isla. Wait, am I going to shut the door? Maybe. Relax. I can't. I can't have a door open.

It's like pre-ejaculation. It's pre-ejaculation. I got so excited. I almost came. I'm erectile dysfunction. I'm like, what am I going to say in this? I'm the exact opposite. Don't worry.

We're going to guide you. We're going to guide you. Thanks, Barbie. You're in safe hands. How long are you here for? Till tomorrow. And then you go back to London? Back to London.

You have been there a lot and not texted me. And I see it on your social media. I text you every time I'm there. You do? People tell me, like, oh, I hung out with her. I saw Chelsea. I said, come to Glastonbury. I said.

Yeah, you look like you had fun. Oh, I did. It was Stella's birthday the other day. Oh, was it? Yeah. I didn't know. I didn't know either. She FaceTimed me.

She tried to convince me to come to New York two weeks ago for her climate award. And she almost got me. I'm so easy to like rope in a shit. Yeah. I realized. I was like, I was sitting there with her. I'm talking to her FaceTiming. And I'm like, she's like, just come in for one night.

Just come for one night. Just one night. Jane Fonda's giving me the award. It'll be the third. And I was like, yeah. And then I'm like, no. I'm in New York for a night. I'm like, stop this.

Yeah, I know. This strong-arming. She's like, get yourself to Paris to my fashion show. Oh, I know. Wait a moment. Let's start this conversation outing Stella McCartney. No, we love her. We love Stella.

But Stella is always, always asking for someone to go somewhere to do something. And then I say to her, I'm like, okay, she asked me last year. I was in London. She's like, you know what? Would you do this campaign with me where you're just nude? You're the only one who has the guts to be nude. No fur. You know, for her veganism.

Or something about, you know, saving... I always lie and tell her I'm not eating meat. And then I do. Because it's easier, right? It's easier than having the conversation. Or if you wear a feather around her, forget it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She doesn't like any of that stuff.

But to her credit, she does incredible work. She makes all of her clothes without animals. And she's very moral about the climate and about... Yeah, and her activism, she says what she means. She stands by it. She does stand by it. She's not one of those kind of hypocritical activists. But as soon as I told her that she had to pay for my hair, makeup, and flight...

I didn't hear from her for like three weeks. I didn't hear another word about it. So that's Stella in a nutshell. I didn't say that, everybody. That wasn't me. I didn't say it. Stella, I still love the handbag you sent me. Stella, this is Chelsea Handler.

This is Chelsea Handler saying it. But at Glastonbury this year, because I texted you because now you're living in London. And I was like, come to Glastonbury. So we all stayed at this hotel that's like 45 minutes away, okay? And we get there and Stella had sent all of us clothes. And so my closet is filled with all of Stella's clothes. and I'm so excited. None of the sizes fit me.

Nothing she sent me fit. So I left the hotel and I left all the clothes in the closet. And then the woman that runs the hotel texted me and said, hey, you left all these Stella McCartney clothes in the closet. I said, give them to the staff.

I told her that they don't fit me. I told her, look at Isla's like, ah. By the way, with me she would be like, you finished wearing them? Send them back. I would never have got to keep them. Wait, wait, wait. Then a month later,

my assistant texts me and says, Stella's assistant is asking where the clothes are. Yes, I told you. I'm like, I left them in the hotel so that somebody could make some good use out of them because it wasn't going to be me. Listen, I've told Stella this to her. This is getting turned. If this stays in the podcast, we're done.

Goodbye, goodbye. You're innocent. You're innocent. You're not saying anything. It's just me. So you're safe, Isla. Isla's here to promote her new movie. Now You See Me, Now You Don't.

You missed one of these because this is the third one, right? I was pregnant with Monty. You've been pregnant a lot in your life. Let's be honest. I try to stay pregnant and continue. Some people love to work. I just, like, have another baby and no one will notice. But now you're free to work because the kids are growing up.

The kids are growing up and, you know, I'm at a new chapter in my life and I'm just trying to kind of reestablish who I am as somebody who enjoys performing and writing. And it's, like, been a whole thing. It's like I've got a whole new identity. I know. I love it. And you filmed that fun movie with Leslie, with Michelle Buteau.

You should have been in that. I know. I should have been in it. Nobody ever asks me to do movies. I never get asked. You would have been so – we had so much fun. We shot it in Australia. It's called Spa Weekend.

It's John Lucas and Scott Moore who did Bad Moms and The Hangover. And it's just like, you know, real, like really funny ladies having a really fun time. Yeah. Although there was a tornado or a cyclone rather in Australia. Oh, in Australia. While we were there and we were on lockdown in this hotel with like Paul Rudd who else was there, like Jack Black,

the cast of like Anaconda, the cast of like – there was basically four movies. So imagine – it's like what's that movie with Ruben where they're all on an island. Anyway, imagine a bunch of sort of actors, precious actors in a hotel shut down for like six days. Actors from all different movies. Oh, yeah.

It went from charades to, let's just say, there wasn't enough tequila in the bar to keep everybody happy. Is it fun for you to shoot in Australia? Because you grew up in Australia, but you didn't move to Australia until what? You were six? Six, yeah. And you're Scottish. Yeah, I have like a super complicated cultural identity because like my parents are Scottish, but I was born in Oman. And I was raised between Iran and Sarawak and Brunei. And then we kind of moved back to Cambridge, England randomly. And then we immigrated to Australia, to Western Australia, which is the most isolated city in the world, for reasons my parents have never quite disclosed.

Why did you guys move so much? Was your dad in the military? Around that time, there was some sort of talk of a Cold War. I mean, it sounds so paranoid, but my mom was convinced that our lives were – that there was going to be a nuclear war and that we were safe in Australia. Really? Yeah, but – yeah. So why were you born in Oman? Who was from Oman?

So my dad worked for the UN. Oh, okay. Yeah, so he basically was in banking, but he would travel to – we were always in Papua New Guinea. we were always kind of growing up and, and in different, I guess, cultures until we got till I started like primary school, maybe like year two. And then we were sort of solid until I obviously then traveled the world and became a clown. Oh, that's right. You went to clown school too. First of all, how does it work with all of your family reunions when you get all together?

Can you understand a word anybody fucking says? No, it's definitely and my mother's on her third husband. It's definitely like, yes, really? Yes. And so it's definitely like a very much a dysfunctional but deeply loving very you know multi-generational and quite eccentric group but there's a lot of love there's a lot of love and we all put a lot of effort into seeing each other there's a lot of love and dysfunction yeah there really is yeah I mean that's what it is it's dysfunction because otherwise if it's not dysfunctional I mean I don't know anybody who has a normal functional upbringing and that was like oh my really unless like some older white men will say that they'll be like they're just lying yeah yeah are they or do they not notice

the dysfunction. Because I wonder if some people don't notice the dysfunction, you know, like women are much more in tune with dysfunction, I think. Well, I do think a lot of people do notice it, but they choose to ignore it. And it makes them feel better to feel wholesome about their family relations rather than, you know, to sort of accept the fact that we might all be, you know, broken in different ways and that that's okay. Yeah. And it's okay to remain broken. Like you're not fixed in life ever like just when you think you've got it now you get fucking hit in the face yes i mean that i speak from personal experience when i say that i mean i feel like the last book i wrote was so about female empowerment and like just really how to get to know yourself how to

love yourself and then i fucking i'm literally in the middle of like a nervous breakdown because of this stupid fucking house i'm building it's cost me so much drama really trauma an emotional toll yes. And it's like, wow, I really thought I had fucking shit figured out. Wait, but what could possibly cause you that much drama with a house? A house I bought from RFK Jr. Oh, so it was cursed. It's cursed. Yeah. No, it's definitely cursed. It's been four years. And was there just Tylenol just scrubbed out all over you? I mean, there will be by the time I get done with it. There's going to, yeah. I took Tylenol throughout all of my pregnancies, I want to say, on the record. So what do you feel like? Do you feel Australian? You must, right? I think my sensibility is kind

of Australian, like I'm gregarious. I'm kind of like laid back in some regards, but then I do have that kind of, you know, my mom was very, she was one of the first women that went to Cambridge. She's very educated. My father's very, I come from a kind of like a sort of in a way, but of an academic background. So the Australian thing is a little more like, I feel like I identify more with like the surfing and the outdoor lifestyle. And honestly, just like Australians are just really friendly. Yeah, they are friendly. They're really friendly. Do you think people are friendly in London? I definitely think that it's a different kind of friendly. Well, you went from LA to London. Yeah. So LA friendly. Definitely friendly. I've still, my LA mates, I love them. I pop into town

for a few days and I get bombarded with like love texts. LA's more fun to visit than to live, I think. Yeah, maybe you're right. I think so. Particularly post the apocalypse. Yeah, yeah. I mean, right now you must be grateful that you're not living in the States during this kind of political upheaval. Yeah, it's definitely, it feels like, oh, it just feels like everybody's got a very loud opinion and they want to discuss it and there seems to be, you know, in London people are a little more, you know, people don't reveal their political beliefs necessarily, their religious beliefs. They're very careful to put civility and connection above, like, whereas here in LA sometimes it feels a little like someone's opinions become their identity

and therefore if you don't share their values or their opinions in their mind that you therefore don't like them. There's not a sort of separation between church and state, so to speak, and I find And that is like, now I just don't want to sort of, I just don't want to fight or have a different opinion. I just want to connect with people. I don't know whether it's like with everything I've been through for the last two years, but I just want to like, feel like we're all just together in this, which we are. Yeah, we are all together in this.

I agree with you. Yeah. I mean, I'm even guilty of it myself listening to you talk about it because, you know, I can like, you know, if I hear somebody is, you know, a Trump supporter or something, I'm like, no, no, no, I don't want anything to do with that. I can't, I need peace. Like I need my own peace. But at the same time, you know, it's nice to not even have that be part of the conversation at all.

Yeah, because, yeah, and you don't really want to isolate yourself and find yourself in a bubble where you're only with like-minded people only because then you create an emotional bias where you only filter everything you hear or read or see through the lens of this is already my decided opinion. And as we know, the best thing about having opinions is they're flexible and open to new information. And so it's important to keep conversations going and not just get off on your own little tangent and think that you're right. but you are always right that's what I love about you you've never been wrong in any way I appreciate that

I appreciate you acknowledging that I've known it my whole life every time you say something I'm like yep that's it she's right the last time I saw you I bumped into you

at Wimbledon yeah and you were having a great time I had the best time isn't it so much fun tennis I know I fucking love going to tennis

I love day drinking yep and I love socializing yes and I love that tennis is so civilized yeah you know what

it's not like a rugby match or, well, the golf that happened, the Ryder Cup, was so embarrassing on America's behalf because people were screaming and yelling, that's golf, but I don't watch golf. No, but also there's something about, I think it's a collective silence of tennis. Like you're watching a game where there are thousands of people watching

and they're not saying, you can't even hear them breathe when the serve happens because they don't want to put off the player. And that is just like, as someone who's done like a ton of theatre when I was younger and just like been on a stage and had to like cry in a scene and had like crew talking, someone opening chips, It's like an amazing thing when you've captured an audience and you just all are so respectful that you're going to be just so quiet.

The quiet is just amazing. Like communal energy. Everyone's focused in the same place. And especially at Wimbledon because there's a level of decorum that supersedes like any of the other Grand Slams because Wimbledon is like a little stuffy. But I love that kind of stuff. It's not stuffy in a negative way.

No, it's fun. It's like pompous and ritual. Although a ginger lady, a middle-aged ginger lady, apparently fainted this Wimbledon she was in the overhead light of the sun and there wasn't enough I guess water brought to her and of course everyone's texting me like is it you were you taken out oh I'm like no I was in the VIP bitch relax I had a shade a canopy above my waist oh yeah that's right I saw you get after those canopies she was like is that a canopy and I went after her she was in a different suite came to see us in our suite or maybe we were in the same suite

No, I stalked you. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I loved it. I loved it. How was your time in London? Can I just go back to canapes? Love a canape. You know what I'm not into, though?

A cheese and pineapple skewer. I don't like pineapple. And triple layer dips. There's some things that just should never be food combos that should never be enjoyed together. And what Wimbledon does well is they don't mix flavors. It's like a strawberry and cream or it's like a cucumber and bread. It's like keep it simple, people. Yeah, I don't like pineapple with anything.

Like I don't want pineapple mixed with hot food. No. Oh, wait, you don't like a pizza? No, no, no, no. It's controversial. But that's cheese and pineapple. Right, no, it's very different. Cheese and pineapple, no.

That's cheese and pineapple too, Isla. No, a skewer is a dry, cold, unpleasant, it's visually unattractive. It's very different to a melty, gooey, you know, I don't know. I don't know what I'm going to have to agree to this thing right now. I just want to say she's always right. She is right. Are you cooking? Do you cook at home?

Yes, I love to cook. You do? I love to cook. What do you cook? Well, at the moment I'm big into, what do I do at the moment? I mean, I'm a mom of three. So it's kind of like I get up and kind of like sort my week out. So I'll freeze a couple of tomato sauces.

I'll freeze a chicken stock. I'll do things in advance. And then I'm just like super simple, like pastas, meat, anything. I can cook anything. Okay, I want to talk to you about being a mother. Like what kind of mother do you, like what do you think your superpower as a mom is? I definitely do not. As a mom, I should say.

I definitely do not have a superpower. You do. all women are super have superpowers and do your kids call you mom or mom momsy or mom mom yeah or mom yeah no mommy actually mommy yeah yeah mommy like british right yeah yeah i think they is that british i think that's more australian is it well i think it's british and australian because everyone yeah in america it's mom yeah but what do you think i'm good at as a mother what do you think your strengths as a mother are i mean it's really interesting that you asked that because obviously all i think about the things that i regret when i go to bed at night that i wish i'd

handle differently. I think overall, my strength is that I have tried very much to reinforce anything they do to sort of align it with, you must feel really good about how you did this. You must be really proud of you. So they're not searching for external validation. They don't need mommy likes my picture, therefore my picture is good. No, I'm proud that I drew a picture, therefore my picture is good. I just try to sort of separate and create a world in which that they have a, they listen to the voice of, they have a beautiful relationship with themselves. That's Maybe my goal, not saying it's a superpower. And then my other superpower is maybe like I'm really good at like switching off,

like pretending that I can't hear anything, like just getting in the bath. And I'm like, Mommy! And I'm like, I'm in the bath. And, by the way, it's a great technique because when they finally get to you, they've resolved it. They've sorted out who has the TV remote. They know where the apple juice is. They didn't need me to jump out of the bath, scamper downstairs,

find everything. You know, what you don't do for your kids, they do for themselves. Baruch Hashem. Baruch Hashem. So when you were a little girl, did you envision yourself having three children? I always wanted kids. I was a nanny when I was 17 for a three-week-old baby. And I used to babysit my nieces when I was about, you know, 12. And so I always loved kids. I've always loved kids. I just always think like, it sounds awful, but when you get to my age, I feel like I've met so many amazing people. And not to say that everybody's really similar, but you kind of realize it's – you can kind of predict someone's nature

almost right away after meeting them or at least what they're like. But a kid is like – it's like opening up a present. You have no idea what's inside. They're just so original. They think in this, like, totally unique, magical way. And I just love – I love their naivete and I love their kind of – they just say the truth. I find children amazing.

Yeah, yeah. Her face is like – No, I like to hear mothers talk about loving being a mother. I think it's really important because – And you love their friends as well. You have this like community of like particularly when they become teenagers. You don't just have yours. They come home with like four looking at the ground.

It's like it's amazing. How do you handle social media with your kids? I mean it's very difficult. That whole thing is just – I mean that's something that I like just don't understand how parents can even deal with. I mean we all know the statistics. There's nothing I can say that's original on that. And we all know that the benefits, the capitalistic benefits that are being made from like targeting women and their body images and how the algorithms work and how they impact self-esteem and really what you can do is flag that.

But it's that fine line. If you isolate them completely, then socially they're not necessarily in the same conversation as their mates. And so then you're just basically creating a situation where they can't really – I mean they all have these platforms where they arrange things and they meet up. But it's terribly cruel. Like, you can see who your best friend is. And, I mean, I, my personality would have not survived social media as a kid. How do you handle social media for yourself as an adult in this industry? I mean, my feelings do get hurt.

Like, I'll pop on something and see everybody went somewhere and I wasn't there. Or I do get a little bit of that. Or I see somebody, another actor is out there doing something. And I'm like, oh, my goodness, I haven't even showered yet. And it's 3 o'clock and someone's come out with a bestselling book and a Lycra brand and is now like the ambassador for China. I'm just like, what the fuck am I doing? But I think ultimately you've just got to just try not to tune it out.

I think just like at the moment there's just so much noise on that platform. Like whoever has the most explosive opinion, whoever has the most extreme hyperbole or uses the most, like has the wackiest opinion, it floats up, hits the top of the algorithm and everyone sees that. So people are motivated to be super loud about things that just, like, we used to just, like, be chill over. Right. Now that makes me feel really, like, anxious.

So I'm not on it that much, to be honest. Yeah. It's good to—taking the breaks from social media are, like, you just—your level of happiness is tangible. Exponentially. Yeah, immediately. Exactly. Immediately. Like, I was with some girls in Canada.

I went to Tofino, and I was, like, I just—I'm so—I was so stressed about my fucking house and all the money out the window and all. Oh, no. I know it sounds stupid, but it's just— No, it doesn't. It's just, like, I feel like I'm being robbed. Do you know what I mean? Like, over and over and over again. And that, like, no one really has any respect for my mental well-being.

Like, the emotional, like, everyone's like, it's just a house. It's just a house. I'm like, it's worse than that. There's a grounding aspect that's missing. Like, you're groundless. You're without anywhere to, you know. To land. To land, yeah.

By the way, I really do agree with that. And I was thinking the other day when I had a bit of a rocky day, you know, when you get jet lagged and you're awake in the middle of the night and everything feels much worse than it is. And I did think, I was trying to sort of ground myself and ask myself, like, where am I happy? Like, come on, Isla, where are you happy? And I realized, like, I did circle back to when I'm in my house,

I am always happy. Oh, really? In your house in London? Yeah. And that's a new house. Well, wherever I make a home. But, like, wherever, like, my things are and my family is and I can make a cup of tea and I don't know.

It's just something about that. So I get that. I'd be really discombobulated too. It's terrible. Yeah, yeah. So how has it been living in London? Because you have a group of friends here in L.A., of course. Yes.

And you have a group of friends in London, too. Yeah, I love my English friends. So it's so great that you have friends everywhere. Well, I think there's something about when you make a big switch in terms of, like, going from being married and not being married, you are, like, naturally, you're just more drawn to people on, it's hard to sit with, like, smug married people when you're single. It's like, I don't want to see you guys, like,

oh, honey, do you need sunblock on? Like, uh, no. So I guess I'm now like my crew that I hang out with in London. They're just a little more, they have the same lifestyle that I do, they're single moms. And it's really nice and it's really, it's a different kind. I still love my LA friends, obviously, but they're away and my ride or dies are really here.

But I am enjoying like finding, you know, commonality with this new group of women and they're great. Women have like got me through the last two years. My friendships have been just so important to me and more and I keep talking about female friendship with all my friends and every woman I meet, and we're all on the same page. Yeah. I think as you get older, the more you realize

how kind of useless men become and how valuable women are. Gay men are useful, and there are some young men out there that are a little bit more, they've gotten the software update that we talk about, like you need a software update after 50 as a straight white man. You do. You needed an update. You don't understand the way things are working.

There's a shift happening, and if you don't see it, then you're against us. But it's just a coming of age kind of story where you just realize how much more reliable women are, how much more comforting women are, how much more insightful. You know, you take something like, you know, we can dissect something almost ad nauseum,

but it's kind of fun to dissect something and overanalyze the situation and get everyone's perspectives, you know? Like the way one person looks at something is completely different. And instead of having like a flat reflection, which is what a lot of men do, They kind of just look at something and they're like, well, duh, that's brown and that's over there.

I wouldn't think anything more about it. And you're like, no, there's definitely more to it. I mean, I know personally like I can overcomplicate things, you know what I mean, just for the sake of kind of drama or conversation. But that's what being a woman is sometimes. It's having overcomplicating things. It's kind of – and no one gets women like other women. So I totally – you're not the first person to come on here and say that. A lot of women feel that way.

And it's very buoying during difficult times. Oh, my gosh. It's so – it really is. I'm so grateful. And the other nice thing is meeting new friends as you get older. Like it's funny how you can constantly make new friends. And you can just at the beginning go, hey, here's something about me. Like sometimes you'll meet a new friend and they remember that you have a new day at work tomorrow and they send flowers.

And then they text you that it's one of your kids' birthday. And you can just put the kibosh on it straight away and go, you can inundate me with this amazing stuff, but I'm so disorganized and busy that it's likely that I'm going to drop the ball on your birthday. And if you still want to friendship with me, I'm here, but please don't be disillusioned. Like, I'm so open about what my strengths are in friendship. Now I'm just like, I'm just upfront. It's like almost like dating, but with women.

Like I just go, okay, this is what I'm great at. This is what I'm not great at. And like, I just don't, it's not that same feeling that when I was younger, my friendships, So I was always like everybody remembered that we were supposed to do this and I got the day wrong and, you know, all of that stuff. Right, right, right. Well, you have three children also. Anyone's expecting that.

They're an idiot anyway. I like the idea. I was like sending flowers the day of a new job. I'm like, who's fucking doing that? No, people do. That's amazing. Our friends do. They're really thoughtful.

Turns out there are really thoughtful people out there. So tell me about this movie. Now you see me, now you don't. Yes. It's a little magic. We need magic. Yeah, well, you're also, well, I was going to say, I mean, you went to clown school or mind school.

I did. Well, they're not the same thing. So that's not magic, but in my mind it is. Yeah. I can see that you could draw to a conclusion they're totally different. Clowns and magicians are over there on that side of the room. Well, let me help you out a little. They're very different crafts,

but they do perform a similar function, like acting. We're playing make-believe, and there is that suspension of reality. And obviously what we love about magic is this kind of conflict in beliefs. Like, here's something that you know to be real, but then your eyes are deceiving you and you're seeing something different. And I think that conflict does create a kind of appetite to watch our story

and our story is full of great magic and I play Henley. And the magic is real in the movie. We had world-class magicians that came and taught us everything. Obviously some of it's enhanced, but yeah, we worked really hard on the magic. Which especially in the age of like AI and CGI and everything CGI, to have these like practical effects is really exciting. It is really exciting. And honestly, I really enjoyed this movie just because it's like the story's good.

I don't know whether you guys feel this, but I just feel like everything I've seen on streamers and stuff lately, I'm just like the plot's not quite there. This is like somebody actually wrote and crafted a plot that's genuinely – like if you heard it as a radio play, you'd be gripped as well as it's fun and it's like pretty people doing tricks. We've got new horsemen, these amazing kids. They're so talented.

And did you work with some of the same people that you worked with on the first one? Yeah, we got the same Now You See Me cast and Henley's back. It's so sweet. Isn't that fun to work with the same people like camp? Yeah. And by the way, we've all kind of become like parodies of ourselves or like more extreme.

You know when people get older and they just get like become a little more like an exaggerated version of themselves? I feel like Dave's like – I like exaggerated virgin. I like that. You become an exaggerated virgin of yourself. Yeah, I wish. But Dave is definitely like even more Dave and Jesse

and Woody's like so Woody now. Like Woody looks like he's playing Woody. Woody is really – I mean Woody is really Woody. Yeah. Every time you meet that guy, you're just like, wow, you are really yourself. Yeah, that's so funny. We'll take a break and we'll be right back with Isla Fisher. Behind every night spent making the kids' lunches, there's a lot of suspense.

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this one's just an email, but it comes from Antisocial Mom. Dear Chelsea, my daughter is nine and has an adorably close relationship with her BFF, who is also a fantastic kid. Her parents, however, being around them is absolutely brutal. They're socially awkward. We have less than nothing in common, and trying to hold a conversation with them is actual torture. The girls often request playdates on the weekend, which is usually fine if it's a drop-off situation, but some playdates involve a lot of bopping around and going to the beach, so I feel like I really should be there to help out. They've offered to take the girls solo, but I know the extra hands and eyes would

be appreciated. My daughter's friend also deals with anxiety, so I can't take the girls solo myself, which would be way more fun because she likes a parent to be close. I know this sounds shitty, but you don't understand the gravity of their brutalness. The girls have been friends for four years, and believe me, I have tried. So should I just microdose mushrooms and go on the playdates. Should I let them take the girls solo? P.S. I love you, antisocial mom. This is another reason to not have children, to deal with other mothers. I mean, seriously. I don't know. As a mother, what do you say to that, Isla? I think nine's really old to be going on a playdate for an extra set of hands. I'm sorry,

mom, but you're not changing a diaper unless there's a food allergy, unless there's a body of water, which the beach sounds shady. But I'm pretty certain your daughter can advocate for herself that if there's an issue, she'll not want to go on the play date again. I'd be like, goodbye, goodbye, have a cocktail and stay home. Yeah. I would say, listen, if those people are probably feeling the same exact way that you're feeling, if the interaction is that awkward, that they're going to be to welcome, they're going to be, yeah, welcoming your absence. So like, if it's not a match, it's not a match, don't push it. And if they're friends, like that friendship is enough. That friendship probably provides enough to that family. They're

happy their daughter has a friendship that she wants to spend time with them. And if they're willing to take them to these places great then do that and if she has anxiety and can't go with you even more of a reason that they should be taking them places and also the daughter that's modeling not having anxiety and having no issue with separation from her parents is a great example on the daughter with anxiety so you really want to continue that because eventually they're headed in the same direction that other shy girl will come out of her shell and want to play date solo soon yeah and also nine is too old to like why are you nine is quite for a girl i mean if we're talking about a boy, but a nine-year-old girl, you know. All right. Well, our first caller is

Nicole. She says, Dear Chelsea, I've got big cis problems that go back to just about the beginning of my lifetime, and it has sucked hard. I've only recently, after relearning to self-soothe in healthy ways, become aware of just how much the bummer dynamics between my sister and I have fucked shit up for me big time. She's about a year older than me, and we're in our mid-30s. After a long phase of numbing myself as an adult, I've come to realize my sister's jealous, malicious, and greedy energy still plays way too large of a role in my life. Friendships, work, romance, family, and I need big-time relief from it ASAP. How horrible is she? Example, she would hit me when we were kids, but more recently,

she named her daughter Colette. When I told her I was honored she named her kid after me, she laughed in my face and claimed she didn't. My name is Nicole, and it's a family name that goes back generations. Clearly, she'd like me to disappear and be forgotten about. She's driven by sibling rivalry, but despite all this, I love her. She's my sister. I've let go of expecting our relationship to improve. Of course, I still want that, but I in no way have ever consented to her rudely taking up so much space in my life. What's a girl to do? I've confronted her about it and I've tried going to therapy with her. When I confronted her, she called me crazy, and in therapy, she acted manipulatively and without any apparent interest in true healing, so I ended it.

Last I saw her and my beloved only niece and nephew, her gross Trump-loving husband kicked me out of their house for unapologetically being myself, and she yelled at me nonsense ego trip style on the porch. This was a couple years ago. Since then, direct contact has included only happy birthday wishes and some cool presents and notes to the kiddos. The amount and frequency with which their bullshit has rudely interrupted in the good things I've had going on has been baffling and enraging. I've gotten better at counting my blessings, keeping on keeping on, all that jazz, but the loneliness I feel in all this has been overwhelming. Any help dealing with this nonsense is super appreciated.

Muchas gracias for all the good lulls and your lovely work, Nicole. Hi, Nicole. Hello. It's an honor. Hi, this is our special guest, Isla Fisher. Howdy. Hi, nice to meet you.

Whoa, that's so cool. It's a total honor to speak with all y'all. Thanks for having me. Look how cozy you look. Are you drinking a cup of tea? Coffee tea. Oh, I thought you were going to say like whiskey. I was like, even better, even better.

You look like you're in a very warm and cozy place. Yeah, yeah. I've got a sweet little mountain home up here and autumn weather is rolling in and it's getting to be sweater time. That's cute. I like that time of year for you and for me. Well, your sister sounds like she's probably she has a lot of her own issues that she probably has to sort out. So is there any way for you to kind of just limit your exposure to her? definitely I mean I I have been at the point of limiting contact to just happy birthday once a year from my end and there's been nothing from her to me for years anyways wait since the Trump sorry to interrupt so after the Trump fight on the porch she then that's when you guys cut off contact then you get you send the birthday card and some gifts to the kid and she doesn't reciprocate? Well, one, it wasn't a, I don't have a Trump fight with her. I think she's actually

pretty disgusted by all that. But yeah, before the fight on the porch, you know, I tried to go to therapy with her. That didn't work. She hadn't reached out to me for anything other than maybe a happy birthday or two for years. And then, yeah, sorry. Yeah, you're right. Since then, oh, this is a lot, excuse me. Since then, you know, since then, it's been me just saying, you know, happy birthday to my sister and sending her kiddos presents for their birthdays. Nicole, can I ask you, why do you think that she's sort of like taken up so much space of your mental space, your emotional space, especially now while you guys aren't in contact? well it bothers me and it's been hard to sort of rebuild after super bummer losses and stuff like

that uh rebuild like the happy you know my happy garden the the you know cool parts of my life to better distract myself with though i have been making progress with it i'm just you know like one she's my sister my sister my only sister I love her like I'm not banking on our relationship getting better but of course like there's no way for me to like totally lose hope about it and I guess maybe another reason has to do with like her having the only kiddos in my family and on her husband's end too so I think she's very much got like the generous cool old people in our families and just anyone, you know, we all love kids. We all want to see them happy and well-supported and stuff like that. So yeah, that probably has a lot to do with it.

I think that there's a loving kindness meditation you can do for people who wronged you. You know, there's that loving where you're sending them love, you're sending them happiness and safety and all of the things that you would wish upon someone you really did love, which is you do love your sister. You want, you know, good things for her. It clearly interferes with your own sanity and your own peacefulness to be interacting with her. So I would take whatever break that she's giving you as a gift, like to reframe it in your mind as like, this is a gift that has been given me to protect yourself from more hurt and more pain coming from them. The kiddos aside, you can keep sending them gifts and hopefully maintain some sort of relationship with them. Although

that's all you can really do without going and exposing yourself to that family. And I'm sure they're, I don't know, are they, is he, is the kid old enough? Is it a boy or a girl to be alone with? I love that advice. Thank you. Yeah. That is a great way to look at it. Yeah. The kiddos are the oldest ones just turned nine. Right. So you're not going to be spending time alone with them at this time. I can't steal them yet. I do look forward to those days though. Yeah, I just would really focus on actually trying to just send positive vibes her way without contacting her like that. There's nothing positive that she's bringing to your life thus far. Like it looks like you have like a really cozy retreat that you have set up for yourself. And some of the biggest insults in our lives come from people who do not deserve our ire. Like they just don't get it. Like you don't get my anger. You know what I mean? when somebody really hurts you, they are, they do not get your, they don't get the benefit of my pain. And I think that's something that you have to like imprint on your mind, write it down and

put it on your fridge. Like this, this person isn't thinking about what's best for you. And so for you to be preoccupied with it, isn't helping you move along. You should be focusing on the things that make you happy, whatever your hobbies are, whatever you're into double down on all of that, but always sending her love and light. Like that's all you can do to be a good person and to keep your side of the street clean. But just take the absence of her in your life as a sign that the universe is protecting you from being involved with her. Because it sounds like you've had some painful experiences with her. Wouldn't you agree, Isla, when somebody wrongs you, whether it's a family member or someone you don't know well, or a really good friend, they don't get your ire.

They don't get it because it's not worth it. They've already proven themselves that they haven't earned it. So I would just write that down and write down your feelings around it and keep it somewhere close so you can check in with yourself and remind yourself of the reasons why you're better off not having her in your life in that way. Yes, she's your sister. Yes, you'll always love her, but you don't have to expose yourself to her. And yes, be flattered by the fact that she's, I guess, engaging in sibling rivalry.

It means she's, as much as her life looks maybe from the outside to have ticked a few more of the kind of boxes with the kids and being like married or whatever that like clearly your family value those, you know, that doesn't prevent her from probably looking at your life cozied up in what looks like the cutest free people tan hoodie or whatever. She's probably looking at that furry snuggle muffin going, I wish I was having a tea, not like on my third round of Monopoly with some kid. Yeah. Yeah. She's probably looking at you and like, oh, wow, you're free. You didn't marry a Trump supporter. Look how free you are. Look at, you know, look at your freedom of choice. Look at you getting home to be in a peaceful place where you don't have to listen to that nonsense, you know. I'd love to share this with her. I'd love to like help her find that own freedom for herself. But you're totally right. I can only do that from a distance at this point, you know. And also, if you change your expectations, you're going to be less disappointed. That is so true. That is the greatest piece of advice. I've been trying that lately.

Yeah. Yeah. One thing that helped me recently when I was in a similar situation was, and I don't know exactly who this would be for you. For me, it was my acupuncturist, and she does some energy work as well. But she actually did a cord cutting ceremony for me with some people that I was having a difficult time with. And it really genuinely helped.

It was something I had been talking to my therapist about for months and months and months and having the sort of like severing the energetic tie was sort of the last piece I needed. I needed the therapy too, but this sort of helped me feel a lot better about it and just detach from sort of the results of what was going on in the relationship and just be able to sort of detach. I do also think if you have tried distance for a period of time and it's not working and you do really love your sister, it's you maybe be open a little to trying another tactic. Like I know you tried that you mentioned you did therapy but maybe it is worth having another conversation because sometimes like things don't work and we just get stuck in a rut and you only have one

sister sorry you just told me i'm always right i can't yeah lower your chair please i mean i can't i don't understand what she's even talking about right now i'm sorry no i just feel like guilty i've got two daughters and they're like best friends right now so i just couldn't help you You don't have a sister, though, right? I don't. I love my brother. Yeah, yeah. I'm very close to my family.

If you guys want to go intervene and help her out, that would, I'm totally in support. We'll get her on the line. It's hard. That'd be amazing. You should see if she'll call in with you. Right now. And then we'll do a three-way.

But we don't give unsolicited advice. We actually need the people to call in. Because, I mean, yeah, we can't solicit. Yeah. We need to be solicited. But I'm a total fan of that happening. That would be great. Personally, I feel at this point, I've exhausted all my options.

Like it's I've exhausted myself, exhausting my options like multiple times. Yeah, it sounds like it. Thanks for the great advice, though. Right down. OK. Cutting ceremony. Yeah, look it up. See if there's somebody in your area that can do that for you.

That sounds like a great idea. I'm sure there's some energy worker in your mountain town that will know what that is. For sure. Yeah. Yeah, I love that. Thanks, Nicole. Thanks, Nicole. Take care.

Thank you. Yeah, thanks for rocking. No problem. Bye. So contradictory, Isla. That's welcome to my life. I know. Why am I a mess?

No, you're not a mess. I just pictured, like, if she continues on down this path, don't you realize, like, how do you heal if you just cut somebody off? But if somebody is an unwilling participant, what are you supposed to do? Like if someone is not willing, like she's tried. Do you know what I mean? Like if you give your effort, like you can't spend your – I'm terrible though. I'll be loyal.

I just go and go and go. I'm just like I make it work, make it work. I know. But being in this sort of like difficult situation with her sister, it's like it almost takes up more mental space for you because you're like I've cut them off. This is my boundary and you think about it all the time. Whereas if you can get to the point where just you're neutral, even if you're not having much conversation with them or reengaging in relationship, it sort of just turns off that noise, at least for me it did anyway. I do. I agree with you.

Yeah. I think cut the cord, then name your baby after her. That sounds like a great idea. Will you edit Isla's initial response to this woman? I will. I'm just going to cut it. All right. Well, we have some other badly behaved parents here.

So Kelly is our next caller. She says, Dear Chelsea, My husband has a big family that's very close, and his parents love getting everyone together as often as they can. That sounds annoying already. Folly for divorce straight away. He has three sisters, and we all have kids now. So the gatherings have gotten larger and, of course, a bit more chaotic with that many people and kids involved. One sister-in-law has three kids, 11 and under.

Her style of parenting is, well, nonexistent. It's making the family get-togethers completely miserable to the point where I don't want to even attend family parties. Or if I do attend, it's making me want to drink heavily, and I'm trying to cut back these days, but that's a whole other issue. My kids have issues that's just their nature, and obviously that's not their fault to be born that way. Anger issues, possible ADHD. The problem is these issues are not being diagnosed, so it's not being addressed properly. Then there's the nurture side of it. These kids are totally feral.

I'll admit I micromanage my kids, and I'm working on stepping back some, but her kids are not being guided at all or raised at all. The TV's on all day long. they eat crap snacks all day, they have no respect for adults, and they wander off, kick and scream when they don't get their way. The list goes on and on. This summer at a family reunion, one of my sister-in-law's kids started chasing the three other cousins with an aluminum bat, angry, yelling, and ready to swing if she could catch them, all because she didn't want to be splashed in the pool. I don't see change coming from the parents anytime soon. They're oblivious to the fact that their children are an absolute

embarrassment. I need your advice. Am I allowed to say something? Is it my place since I'm just the sister-in-law or should I just distance myself from these events where they're in attendance? Thanks, Kelly. Hi, Kelly. Hi. Hi. This is our special guest, Isla Fishers here. Hi, Kelly. How are you? Hi. I'm so excited to be on the show. Thanks for taking my letter. Oh, you're welcome. I would probably, well, you're a parent, so Isla, you go first on this one. What do you think about parenting other people's kids? Like the kid with the bat. How old was the, Allie, how old was that little one with the bat? Ten years old, chasing really, really mad and very angry.

And let me ask, do you feel like – because what are the real impacts on you? Is it more that they're modeling to your kids' behavior that therefore that could lead them astray? Because I can't work out – like you could just obviously – I mean I come from a really big family and all my brothers have loads of kids and so everybody parents in my family super differently. but we have like a rule where, you know, we're allowed to parent each other's kids

but we're all kind of pretty chill. So like no one really gets stuck in unless the stakes are high and there's like a knife to a head or someone's like hanging in a garage or drowning in a dog bowl. No one really – but I guess my feeling is for you, like it's interesting that this is like provoking something within you. It makes me wonder whether you – it's more that it's a mirror back to your own style of parenting which you're worried maybe either

too uh too too tense or or is it more that you're it's the other thing that you think that this like motley crew of of you know this gang of as they sound whatever are going to just make your kids derail and you'll be lose all control right well thankfully they do live farther away so we only see them a few times a year but it's that it's that the parents don't ever chip in like i agree takes a village. And yes, if you see another child about to get hurt or maybe not being super nice to the other one, yes, you all step in, you all say something. I don't mind if someone corrects my children, but these parents, I would be raising the kids if I stepped in and it's just not like, I don't want it. I have my own kids to take care of. And you know, it's just, it's a difficult

situation. No one says anything. Everyone thinks it's a problem, but no one's saying anything. Oh, that's so frustrating. I feel the rage. Yeah, that is frustrating. I mean, I get so angry hearing that. I always say what I think. I've got ADHD, so it's bad. If everyone feels that way,

then you guys should all band together and tell them that there are new rules when you have these trips. It's only twice a year. Yeah, it's an intervention. So if they can't follow those rules, then they shouldn't come. And if you guys are all on the same page,

you just make sure there's a list of things. You don't even have to direct it towards them. You should say before the vacation, here are the list of behaviors that we're not willing to put up with. These are the new rules moving forward as combined families, however many children you guys have together, which is how many? In the immediate family, probably nine kids. Great.

Perfect reason. Yeah. Perfect reason to make a list. And these are the acceptable behaviors. If and when anything outside of this happens, you won't be invited back. And if you don't think you can, and it's not directed at them. This is for all of you. You know, somebody puts a letter out and this is to all of you guys so that they're not being targeted because it's not cool.

It's really not your place to tell somebody else how to parent. You know what I mean? It really isn't. It's not helpful. But if there's a set of rules that aren't being followed, then they can choose to not participate, you know. And then you have a reason to call them out if they do choose to come and break those rules and their kids or one of them is running around with an aluminum bat. then you have every right to go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. We just saw what's going to be acceptable behavior and what's not going to be acceptable behavior. But you have to get everybody

on the same page and all the other families. Or your other option is for you to opt out of that vacation and not go. Yeah. And that's funny. In your books, you've mentioned the ground rules for your vacations and stuff. That is a good idea. Yeah, exactly. I was going to refer you to my last book. I wrote a letter to my whole family with these are the rules moving forward. This is the greatest thing I've ever heard. I'll send you the letter. You don't even have to write one. You can just copy and paste mine.

It's perfect. I mean, people send it to me all the time. They tell me all the time they send it to the families. But it's true. Like, I stopped going on vacation with my family members who didn't want to abide by those rules. Then I'm not paying for your vacation. Then I'll go on vacation with my own friends. I don't want to go on vacation with fucking children anyway.

You know? What do you think you're doing here? Like, seriously. I wanted kids to drink my alcohol. I'd be running a fucking campsite. I mean, honestly, but I think you should try that first. Try to get everyone on board just as more of a general set of rules for everyone, for all of your kids, that it's acceptable to intervene if there's going to be violence

or if there's danger or if somebody, you know, like we want to have each other's backs within this like small community family that we have. It's only twice a year. It's not hard to follow rules twice a year and see if that makes a difference. Yeah, that sounds good. I do want to nitpick about one little thing here, too, because in your letter, you refer a lot to the sister-in-law, but assuming that both parents are in the picture, correct? Yes, yes. They have a dad, too, and so make sure that these rules are not just directed to the moms, that both parents are included and blamed.

Right. They're both so unaware, and it's insane how much they don't pay attention. I think they'd be like, what are you guys talking about if anyone said anything? Yeah. And just remember, like the thing that people don't listen to is when they're judged. When you tell somebody this, I can't believe you did this. This isn't how you do it. I'm, you know, that doesn't help anybody blossom. It's when you share that helps people, you know, when you share this is, oh, this is, I've, I've, you almost like want to put the problem back on yourself. Like you're dealing it with your children, which is fictional. That doesn't sound like what it's, what's happening, but it's almost like you want to position it that way. Like, I don't want my kids to be out of control when they're around all of their friends. I want them to have manners. I want them to look every adult in the eye. I want them to say please and thank you. Like, you have a set of rules for your family, and that's a great set of rules for a group trip. It's not about shaming them or saying, you know, how they're not paying attention, how unaware they are.

It's more about how you want to lift the standards up for your own family. Oh, I love that. Yeah, those are all good approach ideas. okay so yeah get on that and see what happens maybe you'll get a different result cool that sounds good i appreciate it okay wonderful thanks for calling in good luck kelly okay thanks everyone bye bye isla how did you and your brothers come up with that did you guys agree that you were going to be able to parent your own children no we just sort of i think because it was staggered people gave birth at different times and so we just became it's practical too and the

sisters-in-law are really cool and there's not many egos in my family so like no one's gonna care and like how dare you would say that i don't know like we're all pretty chill that's nice yeah yeah but i have to say like we do let our kids misbehave like we're not like a french family if you can you would definitely not want us on holiday with you well maybe i would maybe i would at least that would at least be real and in my face you know what i mean not somebody like stealing alcohol and then shoving it under a rental house you know like empty bottles of beer under a rental house that I'm like, are you kidding me? Yeah. So no respect for other people's property. I mean, that was many years ago, by the way. So that's not fair to say, but actually I

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