Life Will Be the Death of Me with Chelsea Handler - Falling for Another Guy with D’Arcy Carden

Episode Date: July 9, 2026

D’Arcy Carden joins Chelsea to chat about eating her niece’s hair, why working on the Handmaid’s Tale was actually fun, and the best advice Ted Danson ever gave her. Then: An actor struggles to know what’s next in the shifting landscape of entertainment.  And a med student must decide between her fiance and the potential of another man. * Find Cassidi and her new production here * Need some advice from Chelsea? Email us at [e-mail] * Executive Producer Catherine Law Edited & Engineered by Brad Dickert * * * The views and opinions expressed are solely those of the Podcast author, or individuals participating in the Podcast, and do not represent the opinions of iHeartMedia or its employees.  This Podcast should not be used as medical advice, mental health advice, mental health counseling or therapy, or as imparting any health care recommendations at all.  Individuals are advised to seek independent medical, counseling advice and/or therapy from a competent health care professional with respect to any medical condition, mental health issues, health inquiry or matter, including matters discussed on this Podcast. Guests and listeners should not rely on matters discussed in the Podcast and shall not act or shall refrain from acting based on information contained in the Podcast without first seeking independent medical advice.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed human. Behind every night spent making the kids' lunches, there's a lot of suspense. Will they finally eat the veggies? Will the pesto survive the first bite? Will the lunchbox come home empty, half full, or come home at all?

And will you finish episode eight before you're done slicing the cucumbers? Get Bell Pure Fiber Internet with Crave, Netflix, and Disney Plus from $94 a month. Price guaranteed for two years on internet with a two-year term and auto pay credit. Visit bell.ca for details and to check availability.

Bell. Connection is everything. I survived nine months in captivity, and I've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them. I'm Elizabeth Smart, and these are The Survivor Files. Every week, I'm with survivors who lived through the unthinkable, abducted, stalked, controlled, and nearly silenced. These are stories about what it takes to make it out alive. Listen to The Survivor Files with Elizabeth Smart on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

If your bookshelf and your For You page are equally important to your personality, welcome home. Pro Society is a weekly podcast that's part book club, part group chat for anyone who thinks Pride and Prejudice and Love Island deserve the same level of discourse. Each week, we're connecting the dots between books, the internet, and pop culture with your favorite writers, book talk creators, and plenty of overthought opinions. Yeah, I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed. Listen to Pro Society on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Did you hear the new episode of the Hey Jonas podcast? We are at D23, so we'll see who stops by.

The cast of Frozen stopped by. Kristen Bell, Josh Gad, and Idina Menzel. I auditioned for Frozen. What? For Kristoff. They said, okay, what are you going to be singing today? I said, I don't know. That must have been why you didn't get it.

Oh, you probably won. Plus, John Stamos, Hayden Christensen from Star Wars, and more. And I guess I can share that, uh... No way. Listen to the latest episode of Hey Jonas on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, guys, here are my dates for the High and Mighty Tour. In August, you can find me in Red Bank, New Jersey,

Montclair, New Jersey, and Calgary. That's Canada. In September, I will be in Santa Barbara. San Diego, New York City, Philly, and New Haven, Connecticut. October is Atlanta, Baltimore, Saginaw, Michigan, Pittsburgh, Toronto, Boise, Idaho, and Spokane. And then in November, I'll be in San Francisco. I'm coming to Salt Lake City, Austin, Houston, Dallas, babies. I'll be there. And then in December, I am closing out my tour in Denver and Vancouver. So get your tickets at chelseahandler.com for the High and Mighty Tour.

Hi, Chelsea. Are you in Croatia? Hi. Hi, Catherine. I don't know where I am. I'm getting bounced around Europe like a party favorite. That's what I feel like. Are you, so you look freshly showered.

Are you like direct from the beach? Where have you been today? Because I know it's later for you. I was just at the beach. I was in the water. I actually took a water slide or I was on a water slide. I don't think I took a water slide. um yes i and then i just came i came home and i took a shower and i'm getting ready for our group

dinner i love it that's like the best part of the day during a vacation is like you're all warm and toasty from the sun you're getting all cleaned up to go out i love that part of the day and i'm reading the best book for our readers i'm reading the calamity club by katherine stockett which is fucking awesome and a page turner so if people are looking for a book and haven't read that get that you will like it it's a plus for everybody what's it about she wrote the help and so she is like from the south and it's it's about a girl who is in an orphanage and her mother abandons her and like the saga of what happens and then this other family this other woman kind of ends up crossing paths with the girl in the orphanage while she's volunteering

at the orphanage and it blooms into this bigger, bigger saga. I don't know. There's a lot of twists and turns and it's really compelling. I don't want to give anything away because I'm only like three quarters of the way through. So I don't know what plot points to give away, but it's a great read. So I highly recommend. I'm reading The Strangers by Bell Burden on your recommendation, I believe, right? Oh yeah. It's like the memoir that's popping off right now and the husband leaves? Yes. Even though I haven't read that book. I listened to her interview on Oprah and I felt like I had read the book just from that interview. So no, I didn't read the book, but everyone's reading it. Yeah. Yeah. It's great. Highly recommend. Well, our guest today was very fun.

Yes. Our guest today is an Emmy-nominated actress from The Good Place, A League of Their Own, and our newest project, which is called Five Star Weekend. It's out today on Hulu. Please welcome Darcy Carden. We have Darcy here today. Darcy Carden is our guest today. I watched the first two episodes of your newest show, which is called Five Star Weekend. I watched two episodes last night and then they only sent me, Peacock does this kind of shit all the time. God damn it, Peacock. Whenever I have a guest on, I get a special link and then I get to watch it. And then I'm like, I go to watch the third episode and they only gave me two episodes. So I have to watch like regular people when it comes out. What's the point of having a podcast if I have

To act like a regular person. Two episodes is like worse than zero. No, but it's great. It's really good. And it made me wonder. It made me think. Jennifer Garner is a widow in this show. I'm not going to give anything away because I don't think I have anything to give away.

Right, right. And all of you girls come together. She brings five girlfriends or four girlfriends. Four girlfriends. Four girlfriends from every different phase of her life. Her childhood, her college best friend, her mom best friend, and her new best friend. And she's kind of like a Martha Stewart influencer type, right? Yeah.

So, and you guys all kind of come together, and I like this concept a lot. A, these are kind of the shows of the moment, where you go to a beautiful location. I'm headed to Nantucket, too. I know. I saw that. I was like, I'm going to come with you. Had you been to Nantucket before? Not before we shot this.

Okay, so Nantucket is a very, very specific slice of Americana. I am very curious, though. Do people really call it the tuck? I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think. That was the first time I heard that. Does just my character say it or do other people say it?

One other person says it. Two of you said it. I feel, oh, I like the way my laundry smells. Smells? Yeah. Well, I did your laundry, so you're welcome. Thank you so much. No problem.

I do appreciate it. I can continue doing it. I do it about once a month. Thank you. Yeah, I think my character, Brooke, who's sort of like a little like desperate and a little like uncool, she keeps calling it the tuck. Is that how you play that as like desperate and uncool? Is that what you were thinking?

I think she's just like, she's trying so hard. She's really trying. Like she wants to fit in. She loves Jen Garner's character's name, Hollis, and she just sort of like worships her and wants to fit in and cannot believe that she got the invite to this weekend. Yeah, so excited that even though,

and you have your own personal story that I'm sure will be uncovered as the series. I can't imagine what might happen there. but on the subject of going on girls trips with strange girls that you don't know yo let's discuss that okay I have a couple of friends that will not go on all girls trips they're like I won't do that it's too much drama every single time and I'm like I don't as a I'm a I think at this point a semi-mature woman right who can pretty much I like like the unknown I like dipping into a situation where I don't know anyone right for a short period of time yeah but I don't need to

know anyone, I don't feel like I don't have any anxiety around that. If someone annoys me, I just avoid them, you know? And I would never be a person that would get involved in like, you know, the drama. I just wouldn't. I would just remove myself from that situation. I'm totally with you. And yeah, I think that trips like that can really stir up a lot of anxiety for people. But yeah, I think it is like, I'm exactly the same as you. Like, I wouldn't get involved in the drama. If it happens, I can just sort of like step, God, have I ever gotten involved in the drama? I mean, of course we have. We're women and we're humans. Right. So at some point we were involved in the drama. Or at least we like chose a side or something like that. Or you

like just kind of don't like someone, like they rub you the wrong way. That happens. That can happen. But yeah, when I think of girls trips, if anything, like if there is someone that's rubbing you the wrong way, you probably bond with someone else over it and it like strengthens your friendship. Well, exactly. Right. Yeah. But in present day, if you were invited on a trip with You're like, say, somebody you admire a lot, but didn't spend a huge amount of time with. And she's like, okay, five of us are going away. You won't know any of the others. And you won't know any of the others.

What would be your reaction? Okay, the fact that you said like someone you admire a lot, somebody that I like, somebody I love, somebody I want to spend more time with. Say Celine Dion called you. Oh my God, I'm there. Bitch, I'm there. And she's like, hey, I have four girlfriends and I loved your work in this and I thought you'd be a great addition.

Honestly, I would totally go for the life story of it, right? Like, it's not going to be – even if I get there and it's a weird three days or whatever, it won't be not worth it. Okay. So maybe that's too much of a – Right, right. But, okay, so even if it's, like, somebody that's in your life that maybe you don't know that well, but you're like, I like this person or I want to get to know them better, which I feel like I've been in that situation. I did go on a girls' trip with, like, four best friends and I was, like, the other one. And it was great.

But I definitely was, like – you know, I was, like, a late invite. I was, like – It's kind of scary. Yeah, and it was. Like somebody else may have canceled. Exactly, totally. And definitely, yeah, I felt like an outsider, but not in a way that was, that like ruined the trip.

I was just sort of like getting to know them. Yeah, and you have to get up to speed on their personal stories and their inside jokes and all of that stuff. And you kind of figure out who is really close and yeah. Yeah, I like that positioning. I like the study of kind of like sociology in those situations.

Me too. And I like pairing up, you know, like finding, like if it's a larger group, like I like finding your little clique. Me too. And, like, having, like, I went on this trip to Antarctica, and, like, five of us formed this, like, group. I love it. Like, a huge group.

It was, like, 190 people, but the five of us were, like, oh, you know, and that was really fun. I love that. I mean, I haven't spoken to any of those people since. Sure, and you never will. Well, actually, one. Yeah, yeah. That's all you need. Or two.

Two, actually. But I loved it. Wow, the other three right now are, like, oh, man. She's not talking to two of them. I know. They're, like, wait, what? You're answering other texts? And I hope this doesn't sound, like, toxic or whatever.

But one thing I love about trips like that is finding your person or your five people or whatever, where you can kind of like, look at them and be like, yeah, like, oh, this is a podcast. So like, roll your eyes at the person that's maybe being annoying or whatever. I mean, you know, like the not trauma bonding, but that thing where you're, you have, you're commiserating together about the nonsense that's coming out. Yeah, I like that too. I like when you can look at it. It's like when you're in church, not that I've been to church recently. but if when you're in church and the pastor says something absolutely ridiculous and arcane that has nothing to do with present day society and you lock eyes with someone else and you're both like, what are we doing here? I love that. I could marry that person. Yes, exactly. That's like bonding. But you're already married. Well, yeah. Well, that's not legal yet. Although I'm sure polygamy will become legalized within this administration. So just hold on tight, hold on to your pants. You're married, but you don't have any children. That's right. Okay. So um dog dead dog dog but dead oh no children dead dog why don't you get another dog to replace the

dead dog well we were thinking two yeah i'm in pursuit of my second dog right now just because doug has no social life i mean he does but it's limited right he wants someone and he wants a lot of action and he has a lot of energy and i like you know i can throw something about three or four times before i was interested yeah and then i'm like i'm not going to the park with him you know what i mean let's be realistic so tiny psa if you do get two dogs yeah don't get littermates because this is actually huge okay right because everyone thinks oh they're siblings i was thinking we did this okay and apparent like they when they were little they had like sibling rivalry like littermate syndrome and they would be these tiny cute puppies and they're like trying to rip

each other's throats out but now they're fine and they love each other um but we called multiple trainers and they were like oh you could just get rid of one of them there's not really anything oh my god bernie's were brother and sister were they bonded pair a bonded pair already uh yeah they were together so when i got them they were because i i went to get one and they were like well we have a brother sister combo platter that's kind of what we're like looking for we're basically already bonded but even if they're older like we keep thinking if we want to and how often do you see like a bonded pair please don't split them up but so often people are just looking for one so we figure if we want to we might as well look for a bonded pair but

But maybe not litter mates. Avoid litter mates. But if they already are, bond to them. Well, also, somebody told me not to get two males. Since Doug is such an alpha male, don't get another male. Get a female. Yeah. So, Darcy, you don't have any children, but I read that you ate your niece's hair.

Did you chew? What is this about? That's so funny. I'm going to cry. My niece, whom I love so much. I have some really great nieces and nephews. How many do you have? I have on my side, my side, I have two, four, six. And on my husband's side, I have two,

four, six, eight. Wow. And they're great. So you have 14 nieces and nephews. Yes. Wow. That trumps me. I only have eight. Well, that's a lot, but it is a lot. Yeah. But I'm not married because I don't want any more nieces and nephews. Great. You would have more. That's my main reason. Yeah. So my little niece. Okay. Well, let me just think of what this was. I love her so much. I need her. I love her. I'm like, I want to eat her. how old is she or was she now oh yeah but this was like the best this was like it is the best age um i'm gonna see her this weekend but okay so like little tiny baby infant and she she kept getting this one little knot in the back of her head like this one little these hairs that would

just like knot up and you couldn't brush through them and so my sister and her husband this was her first haircut it was just like not even a haircut it was truly like like that ding and so they cut it off and then I think truly just to like there's something about wanting to eat her and then there's also something about wanting to make my sister laugh I just put it in my oh so you just okay I got it but I mean that's kind of gross well I mean how gross can a four year old hair be no and she was also an infant this was like her oh right so then it's like it's pure she's like six months old or something that's pure hair and I'm sure like we do weirder things to like you know we what are we putting in our skin you know what I mean oh no our hair

is dirty even, but at least kids are protected. Like their skin and their hair, their breath, everything is fine for the first couple of years, you know? And that's nice. I agree. Yes. Like you could eat, like if a doctor was like, just drink the baby's pee, I'd be like, okay. Yeah, no, there's nothing weird in there yet. Exactly. There's nothing strong enough in there that I'm going to get, I'm going to get sick or like that is going to be too strong of a flavor or a taste. I'm sure that, no, I don't even want to go down this road, but I'm sure there's like health benefits. Yeah. I don't think we need to be talking about drinking children's urine on this podcast. I can't even believe you brought that up. And you can cut that out. Well, I think we're

going to leave it in. That'll be the promo actually. Yeah. Yeah. So I want to, so with 14 nieces and nephews, 14, right? I think that's right. Or eight and eight is 16. You said eight and six, 14. Okay, great. So that's, that's like a lot of responsibility. Like I felt, or I did initially. I would say this feeling is starting to wane. Okay. I felt like very serious about becoming like, about being an A plus aunt. The aunt. Like I'm the one, I will take care of you forever. You come to me with any real problems. Yeah. That feeling has faded for me. Because of like just they're getting older or just so many of them. I guess so. Yeah. I guess because they're getting older, not because of the volume of, not because of the number, just because they're

getting older. And then once they develop their own opinions about things, I start to lose interest. Once they have like their own, like if they're, if they, if they say like, I guess display idiocy, you know what I mean? Yeah. You're like, you're done. I'm just like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I didn't spend all this time with you. You didn't have access to our family and our, all of our democratic values or what, which is usually my big issue to, to end up like this right like what are you doing i didn't raise you like this yes yes yes i didn't spend money to make sure that you were to have this be the end result totally totally where is is most of your family in california no no they're in new jersey okay where did you grow up in the bay area oh

okay that's where one of my sisters lives i'll visit her i love the bay area i do too that's like one of my favorite places to not only perform oh i bet they fucking love you yeah san francisco is a great city for comedy because I used to start there. Like when I was a great city for comedy, like, uh, Cobbs, but before Cobbs, the punchline and then Cobbs got, they redid it and it was really even better than the first Cobbs. But San Francisco is a great city just for a bevy of reasons. And I think that's a great place to live. Yeah. We grew up, you know, outside of San Francisco, but, but that's, that was our city. Yeah. Um, where outside of San Francisco, I grew up in a town called Danville, which is like next to Walnut Creek, which is next

to Berkeley if that rings any bells and most, almost all of my family is still there. And I'm, I'm a, I'm one of four. You're one of six. You're one of four. Four. Look at us. Look at us gals. None of us are procreating. Look at us. Look at us. Three of us coming from huge families. We're like not interested in dogs. Um, um, so, okay. So this weekend I'm going to a cousin's wedding in Portland and Oregon and staying in a big house with mom, dad, sister, her kids, husband, my husband, aunt, uncle, two cousins, and down the street from my sister who has two kids. It's going to be like a very family, family, family weekend. That sounds like fun though. It will be fun. But you know why? Because it's a weekend. Yeah. It's not a week. Right. That's

the key. Yeah. Two 48 hours, 72 hours tops and that's it. And then get out. Yeah. I'm not, it doesn't even sound overwhelming to me like I think a lot of people would be like oh you're gonna need some alone time I'm like I want more and are you the fancy person in your family because of your because you're on tv and you're an actress and I wonder if I am do they treat you that way no no no yeah I don't know what maybe because it came to me later I don't know maybe because they're all kind of like whoa you're on tv like it's not like I've been on tv since I was like a young hot 20 year old well when you came when it came to you later I mean you're all over though Like, you're on all sorts of different shows.

You've been on The Good Place for so many years. Like, I feel like you're on as many things as Nicole Kidman right now. Imagine. I feel like there are two of Nicole Kidman. Because there's no way that Nicole Kidman can do everything that she does. If you do the math on how long things take. Possibly. It is possible.

I mean, that would actually answer a lot of questions. It really would. I could see that. Yeah. The Jonas Brothers are running it back. We live the Burning Up Tour and celebrate the biggest Jonas Brothers hits that have defined a generation. One incredible celebration. One unforgettable night.

See the Jonas Brothers live at RBC Amphitheater, September 28th. Get tickets now at Ticketmaster.ca. Jonas Brothers, the Burning Up Tour, all over again. When I was 14 years old, I was kidnapped and held captive for nine months. I survived, and I've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them. I'm Elizabeth Smart, and these are The Survivor Files. I just remember this low, taunting voice next to my ear saying, shut up, don't say anything. Every week, I'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable.

I knew if he woke up, without a doubt, he was going to hurt me. I started feeling that there was someone at the end of my bed, and I just started screaming. They are abducted, stalked, controlled, and nearly silenced. But these aren't stories about what's taken from them. They're stories about what it takes to make it out alive. Listen to The Survivor Files with Elizabeth Smart on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If your bookshelf and your For You page are equally important to your personality, welcome home. This is Prose Society, the weekly podcast that's part book club, part group chat for thought daughters, pop culture obsessives, and anyone who thinks Pride and Prejudice and Love Island deserve the same level of discourse.

I'm Eli Rallo, and every week we're connecting the dots between books, the internet, and the conversations everyone can't stop having. I'm going to have to look up this story. I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed. From bestselling authors and your favorite book talk creators to the latest pop culture moments, nothing is off the table. It's like if you can hide some real messages inside compelling characters, then that is a Trojan horse. Whether you're looking for literary deep dives, smart pop culture conversations,

or a community of readers who love to think a little too much, you're in the right place. Listen to Pro Society on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. See you between the pages. On the new podcast, Solita, we share the messy reality of traveling alone as a woman. I can wait four hours for the next bus

or this random dude is offering me a ride on his motorcycle. I chose option B. I'm Julie Pinheiro, and I travel by myself because it's a rare space where I can say yes without asking anyone else first. I'm on a mission to reclaim the word solita, trading the pity for possibility. Every time I tried to be alone, I kept meeting people

and they were like, you smiled at us. Not a lot of people smile around here. It's when you're alone that you're most receptive to the world as it is and not the lies you're sold about it. It can be a time where you push your limits, change your mind or wake up to a new version of yourself so whether you're a solo travel veteran or you're too nervous to book your first trip i hope you listen to solita on the iheart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts

first i want to talk about so sunny nights right that's what i thought that was related to always sunny in philadelphia for some reason i know i know if you like take an off show right Totally. That's like a spinoff. And you got to shoot that in Australia and you want to go back to Australia and shoot a season two. I love Australia. I do too. We shot in Sydney. We lived on the beach. We just like, it was a really good life. I know. It's a beautiful lifestyle that they've created for themselves. And you can kind of see yourself just staying there. Yeah. And I've shot, I've shot a lot of things in a lot of different places that I've loved, but I've never wanted to just, I always am sort of like ready to go back home. And with Australia, I was like,

can we stay? I know. And I've looked into it. It's quite expensive, but I don't think it's more expensive than LA. And you're rich. It's just, yeah. But if you go there, then like, you know, coming back and forth is a big, is a big issue. Right. Right. Right. Cause that's not an easy time to skip. Like that's the worst jet. Like I've ever had is going, usually I can go to Europe and I'm fine. Like I can adjust, but Australia, you like two days, you're like, opposite. It almost seems impossible. Like it almost seems like, like getting to Australia seems like, well, that's, I, I, I can't get there. Like there's no way to get there. And the friend of mine who was the showrunner of that show, Trent O'Donnell, he shoots a lot of things in

Australia and a lot of things in America. So he is like, he's got that trip down. He, he will come to LA for like 48 hours. Doesn't that seem nuts? Yeah, that does. Yeah. Because it takes like 15 hours i know right yeah from here to la or to australia it's like a 15 hour flight but it was it was just great i loved living there i loved we like went in the ocean a lot i i sort of i sort of became a beach person and then came back here and like went to santa monica and i was like it's just yeah i know it's there but nobody's really in it right so tell me what you thought of going to switching gears to this show that we're talking about how long did you spend in Nantucket. We were there for like a month. And were you guys all in some house together? We were

in, I feel like you probably know Nantucket pretty well. Well, I know Martha's Vineyard well because I grew up on Martha's Vineyard. But I've only been to Nantucket, I think three or four times. Okay. There's like a place called the White Elephant. Oh yeah. Yeah. I feel like it's kind of all over the place where it's like, you know, apartments and little homes. And that's so fun though to go all, isn't that so fun? It's so fun. To go with a bunch of cast members. It is a little bit like white lotus yeah and it's like we had spent the summer in LA shooting and we were doing it was like not a hard shoot but we were doing six day weeks which I had never done before and we were just like it was like work work and then we got this little vacation at the end which still

was work like we kind of kept we would be on set in Nantucket like looking around and we're being wait I thought this was a vacation but it was a vacation it was like when you're on location you know this like when you're on location it's so different than shooting in your home when you're shooting in your home you go home afterwards and you like go to the doctor's appointment and you have to go grocery shopping or whatever but when you're on when you're on location you really are like well what are we going to do tonight when you wrap you're like let's go to dinner let's get a drink yeah and that's so fun there's like that sleep away camp it's so sleep away camp and with these women too with so it's it's jen garner chloe 70 regina hall

Gemma Chan and then like Judy Greer and Timothy Oliphant and like just an amazing cast these are also like really professional accomplished people that are you know every they're like they've got families and we're not like partying in in LA or whatever and so it was so fun to go to Nantucket with them and like really you know really let your hair down yeah it was great it was great Timothy Oliphant, I once, someone, when Timothy Chalamet was becoming famous, this was years and years ago, someone had reached out and said, can you get a birthday message from Timothy Chalamet? And I thought they meant Timothy Oliphant.

So I forwarded the message from my friend to my agent and I said, is there anywhere you can get a birthday message to this girl from, I just forwarded the email. So I assumed it was Timothy Oliphant because that was the only Timothy I knew and I had just seen him. and, and I was like, he'll do it. He's a totally nice guy. And then I got a video back of Timothee Chalamet. And I was like, who's this little pipsqueak? I was like, who's this little pipsqueak? And, and this was when he was like, you know, even littler. And he, and, but he was so sweet. He had sent this whole birthday message. And when I sent it back to my friend, she was like,

oh my God, I can't believe you got that. And I'm like, who is this? And she's like, it was right before called me by your name I guess was his first big movie anyway but I was like I saw Timothy after that and I went to go thank him and I was like oh I want to thank you for that birthday and I'm like actually no yeah that's the story of my life getting celebrities confused always and the access you have to them is so funny I know I know because it's like you know I meet celebrities all the time but I think I'm meeting for the first time and then they'll be like oh no we met you interviewed me and I'm like well that's impossible to remember I think that must be insane to have to have interviewed everyone you've met everyone but also it's like a blur on a different level

yeah yeah it's a blur yeah and especially yeah so anyway back to you yeah so is this a kind of trip that you would take like with in real life would you go on a trip with five girlfriends let's see yeah I would I mean you know what because I'm really close with my two sisters and we take trips together if someone handed me a trip I'd be like I'd probably say to my sisters let's go but you know there was there was a while where let's see this is pre-covid there was like every in between let's say like every new year's week a big group of friends would go on these kind of like extravagant vacations together it was six couples holy shit six couples somehow we made this work no one had kids yet it's all people that like we came up together at ucb in new york and then

everyone is sort of like working in TV and starting to get like a little bit of money. So we were like, let's, nobody has kids. Let's like blow it out and go on these amazing vacations because someone will start having kids next year and we won't be able to do it again. And people just kept not having kids. So we did it for like five years and we went to like Bora Bora and Paris and Hawaii and Costa Rica. And we did these like really fun vacations. And those were like some of my favorite life memories. Bora Bora was one of the, it was one of the top five trips of my life. It's unreal. It's not real. I mean, the whole time I was like, is this man made? I don't understand. I felt the same way. I was like, am I at Disney, like an offshoot of

Disneyland? It looks like it's created by Imagineers. And I do want to go back. I haven't had enough. That's what I said. I was like, I'm going to rent this place out for my 50th. And then I didn't. So I have to figure out a time where I can do that. Because I remember crying the day I left Bora Bora because it's so beautiful and the volcanic rock like the way the water is you can actually see it change color it's like bifurcated by volcanic rock totally so it goes from like dark blue to medium blue to light blue to lavender to dark purple and you can just see the ridges like you go over and you're like it's a completely different color of water it's so gorgeous you've kind of like never seen anything like it it feel like you are in just sort of a

state of joy right it's just like your eyes feel good and it really it's there it's it's not even like there's that much to do there it's just there isn't it just feels so good it's just beautiful yeah it really is a slice of heaven and it takes you a long time to get there so once you get there you gotta park it yeah park it yeah you could do it for 52 53 i know it doesn't have to be a special number that's true that's true i just yeah to throw everybody off what do you think um like since you have two sisters that you're you sound like you're pretty close with who is one of them If I asked you who was the biggest influence in your life, would it be one of your sisters? Biggest influence in my life.

My immediate answer is my dad. Oh, great. Yeah. I feel like as a kid, I really looked up to him in a way where I was like, I want to be like him. What was it about him that you admired? He was like, I mean, is. he like what growing up with him I felt like I mean so smart fun like I think vivacious is maybe

a word that describes women but very like full of life and and um friendly like every you know friends made friends wherever he went I would say like everybody described him the same which is like I love him like oh Dennis is your dad I love Dennis or he owned um a a music magazine so he had all these like cool employees that would always say like he was the best boss I don't know there's just like I feel like very positive about him and he just sort of like went for what he wanted and I just admired him he also gave me and my siblings so much confidence how okay yeah he I really in my mom too they really okay so three daughters and a son they really made us feel like we could do whatever the goddamn hell we wanted to in the entire universe. Like I really grew up

thinking that maybe I would be like a major league baseball player because my dad was just like, you can do that. And he would say this thing. Meanwhile, you can't. Meanwhile, don't forget. They won't let you. Not yet. Yeah. Barely. No, I mean, it's truly so far away, but he would say this thing to me and my siblings before like a sports game or before a play or something a sports game okay I would say yeah you know what I mean where he would he kind of like rub my shoulders and you go you are the best you are the king of the world there's nobody better than you and he'd like say it over and over like a mantra or like you know it did something to me it really I really took it on well because I think we take on not I think it's a pretty obvious that

whatever like the most hurtful things your parents have ever said to you and the most loving things are the things that stick with you the most. That is so true. When they're constantly instilling support and love in you, like the reason why it adds up, it's kind of like the marble jar, like, right. They keep telling you and like, little by little, you believe it. And like, what, what does a little child need more than that to believe in themselves? Totally. Like when I think of sort of like the best compliment or something I've ever received, received in my life, it would just be my parents saying like, we're proud of you. Right. You know, like, and they're not even, they're not stingy with it,

but like, you know, it really means something. Yeah. I remember looking at my father thinking I, he motivated me in the exact opposite way. Like I was like, I will not be anything like you. Okay. Even though I am a lot like him in my drive and kind of personality, I'm out there and I'm outspoken and all of those things, his whole like kind of moral compass was off and I didn't like that. I was like, oh, I'm never going to be a cheater or a liar. Or that's why I'm so passionate about being direct and being honest, even when the situation doesn't call for it. Because I just want to make sure that I'm on the right side. Like I'm like, you're, I'm not a liar. You'll never catch me in a lie. Like if there's something bad I've done, I'll come forward with it. That's a great

quality. Uh, well thank you. But it was more of like watching him as a deterrent and me being like, oh, I'm going to be, you know, different than that. Yeah. That's so interesting that we almost did like the same thing, but the opposite. I'm like, I want to be, I, what I will make of my life and the person that I will be is like directly related to my dad. And you're like me too, but the opposite. But it's still true that regardless of those differentiations, you really, all you want as a child is for your parents to be proud of you, especially when you're a girl, your dad. And I guess probably if you're a boy too, but there's something about your father saying, I'm proud of you and and you know that that we're all striving for right no matter how old you get totally and

he was also like he would he would dabble in acting he would do like the the like community theater play here and there or he was on stage a lot he was like a he was like a showman and i it really made it feel possible for me too i was like i want to do that that's what i want to do the jonas brothers are running it back we live the burning up tour and celebrate the biggest jonas brother hits that have defined a generation one incredible celebration one unforgettable night see the jonas brothers live at rbc amphitheater september 28th get tickets now at ticketmaster.ca jonas brothers the burning up tour all over again when i was 14 years old i was kidnapped and held captive for nine months i survived and i've spent my life exploring how other people survive what

should have destroyed them i'm elizabeth smart and these are the survivor files i just remember this low taunting voice next to my ear saying shut up don't say anything every week i'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable i knew if he woke up without a doubt he was going to hurt me. I started feeling that there was someone at the end of my bed and I just started screaming. They are abducted, stalked, controlled, and nearly silenced. But these aren't stories about what's taken from them. They're stories about what it takes to make it out alive. Listen to The Survivor Files with Elizabeth Smart on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If your bookshelf and your For You page are equally

important to your personality, welcome home. This is Prose Society, the weekly podcast that's part book club, part group chat for thought daughters, pop culture obsessives, and anyone who thinks Pride and Prejudice and Love Island deserve the same level of discourse. I'm Eli Rallo, and every week we're connecting the dots between books, the internet, and the conversations everyone can't stop having. I'm going to have to look up this story. I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed. From best-selling authors and your favorite book talk creators to the latest pop culture moments, nothing is off the table. It's like if you can hide some real messages inside compelling characters, then that is a Trojan horse. Whether you're looking for literary deep dives, smart pop culture conversations, or a community of readers who love to think a little too much, you're in the right place.

Listen to Pro Society on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. See you between the pages. On the new podcast, Solita, we share the messy reality of traveling alone as a woman. I can wait four hours for the next bus or this random dude is offering me a ride on his motorcycle. I chose option B. I'm Julie Pinheiro and I travel by myself because it's a rare space where I can say yes without asking anyone else first. I'm on a mission to reclaim the word solita, trading the pity for possibility. Every time I tried to be alone, I kept meeting people and they were like, you smiled at us.

Not a lot of people smile around here. It's when you're alone that you're most receptive to the world as it is and not the lies you're sold about it. It can be a time where you push your limits, change your mind, or wake up to a new version of yourself. So whether you're a solo travel veteran or you're too nervous to book your first trip, I hope you listen to Solita on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. To be able to toggle back and forth between comedy and drama in that way. Thank you so much.

That is like important to me. You know, I love doing comedy and I really like found myself in comedy, but my, I mean, not to say like my education, but my foundation is in like, you know, Shakespeare and like the straight plays and the classics and stuff like that. And then sort of realized that I kept getting cast as like the funny girl in those things. and then really like dove into comedy in New York. But I love doing all of it. I had like an early – okay, in New York when I was like a struggling actor,

I had an older woman friend who actually – the story is too weird – but who actually like used to be my high school teacher and then we ran into each other in New York and she was like divorced and young and was like, let's hang out. Yeah, that is weird. It was weird. I like it though. I know.

and then we like really hung out a lot but because she was because she had been my teacher she was always like giving me advice yeah and she was like you need to pick a lane she was like you are all over the place like you need to be the comedy girl you need to be this you need to be that and I remember being like I know this is good advice but like I really don't want to do that I really don't want to I want to like I'm so afraid of picking a lane I'm so afraid of like being pigeonholed I guess as one thing yeah so so I didn't do that you know so you didn't take her advice. I didn't take her advice. Are you still friends with that woman? No, she actually was kind of toxic. I was going to say it had the makings of a toxic relationship. But I like when

somebody gives you unadulterated advice about something they know nothing about. Exactly. Based on what are you giving me advice? Totally. When you're younger, when an older person is giving you advice, you always think it's like impactful. And then when you are older than that person giving you the advice, you're like, you know nothing. Exactly. You are. Yeah. So what's it like to be on the set on the Handmaid's Tale? You know, it's funny that you asked that is that I also wondered that like in the years of watching it, the years of watching it. I blame that show for the situation we're in, forgiving all of these Republicans, these ideas. I know that these ideas have been germinated for quite some time and it's not a new thing, but I feel like that show

showed us what the absolute worst outcome could be. And then they're like, let's try it. Right. you're like oh it works yeah yeah for the moon god it it when i was on the good place i remember watching the handmaid which is the exact opposite totally totally and that was kind of my thought was like every day on the good place is a good day i'm like so happy i'm surrounded by the most wonderful people i get to do the most fun lovely scenes and then i was like watching the show which i loved the the handmaid's tale but i was thinking like that's not a good day on set that is like a bad day at work and i ran into bradley whitford on an airplane i love brad love him the best yeah he's the cute yeah i love him he truly is so west wing he's so hot in west wing so

hot in west wing oh west wing was i mean that is a show worth watching over and over again yeah and i do every night as my husband falls asleep to it oh you do that is like his full comfort show um but yes so i um were you like looking up west wing uh yes a little bit okay That wasn't one I watched. That wasn't one. Oh, it's like The Wire. I didn't watch that until somebody made me watch it. And then I tried like three times.

It was like Breaking Bad. There are like three shows that I've taken, like it's taken me three false starts to get into. And then once I got in, I watched them all within like one week. And you understand why. And then I was like, oh my God, I'm attracted to Bryan Cranston.

I can't stop thinking about him. You know what I mean? Yeah, I do. But so he had just done his first season on Handmaids. And so I got to ask him basically like, what is that set like? It seems so dark. And he was like, it's actually the opposite. We're dancing, we're joking. It's very light, which I was almost like, yeah, right. You're lying. And it is that. They keep it light. There's, I think, intentionally light. You know what I mean?

Well, I think, yeah, absolutely. The subject matter is too dark. And the, I mean, I came on it in the last three episodes of the last season. So they, it was like a well-oiled machine, but they really are these like some, some of the most amazing actors I've ever worked with that can really just like. Well, Lizzie is ridiculous. I mean, she does scenes by herself. She's basically acting alone and half of the show. Like she does scenes where there's not another person in them.

The other person is like the camera that's like right here and her face, facial expressions and the look of fear. Like what that woman can accomplish in just like, I mean, it's, she should be teaching acting classes to people. I'm not kidding. She's like, she is on another level. She is, she can, the way she can like pop in and out of it is I've never seen it in my life.

We're talking about Elizabeth Moss. Elizabeth Moss. Yeah. Yeah. She, there was like, I'm remembering a scene where she's like walking out to, this isn't a spoiler. Well, whatever. She's like walking out to be hung, which doesn't end up happening, but she's.

Yes, I know what you're talking about. And I'm, like, with a noose around my neck, like, watching her come out. It's so dark. So dark. And the camera is an inch away from her face. And she's also directing this episode. And she's, like, tears in her eyes. She's about to be murdered.

And she can see in the reflection of the camera that her little, like, I want to call it a habit, but whatever, the, like, you know, handmaid's head covering thing is, like, off. And she, like, giggles and fixes it and then just, like, drops back in. Doesn't break stride. doesn't like have to reset doesn't need to start over knows what the edit will look like well enough to be like they're not gonna I mean she just is like a machine yeah it's wild it's pretty impressive yeah who's somebody that you've worked with besides Liz Moss Lizzie Moss that you have learned so much from you know like Ted Danson really pops into my head yeah yeah the the I mean Ted he's a smooth operator he's a smooth operator he's been doing it so long he's so grateful he's

He is, I mean, he's, he's a couple of things. He's like a good time on set. He's, he's everybody's best friend, but he's also such a fucking good actor. And it's almost like you almost forget that because he's Ted Danson. Yeah, it is. It's true. As you were saying that, I'm like, yeah, I guess he is a good actor because it's always Ted Danson.

Totally. He's so open and receptive and as a person and as an actor, he really just, he's listening. He's reacting. he's like he's not he he's just he's just kind of perfect he's kind of like your perfect scene partner and um he's the type of guy and also henry winkler's like this too where they really they've been doing this a long time and they remind you like how lucky we are i'm surmising from what you're telling me and from knowing both of them that they are good at making sure you everyone else on set feels really comfortable totally yeah they're both so good at that

yeah they they they don't take their position lightly i think do you take acting pretty seriously in a way like not in a method sort of way at all but my god but in a like i really feel like it's my life's purpose and so every time i get the opportunity i'm like don't waste this and i fucking love it i think that's a great piece of advice for anybody in anything in anything they don't waste this opportunity right because it's sometimes it's easy to just be like fuck it let me just get through something not necessarily with an acting gig but sort of but perhaps if you have a lot of other things going on in your life or if it's a weak job and you're like oh fuck it let me just mail this in i've got other things to deal with whatever but i think

that's good advice yeah when any opportunity i read something the other day that hit me and i don't know maybe i said this on the podcast but like it's not about the outcome of your opportunities it's about the shot that you get. I agree. Like you got the shot, take the shot, you shoot your shot. Right. And instead of attaching yourself

to what will result from the opportunity. And I loved that because it's just a reminder to stay in the moment that you're in and don't get ahead of yourself. I've been really feeling like that with like career and acting stuff, which is that I think in the beginning it was so outcome-based.

It was like, you know, like this, I don't know, like- Well, this industry is outcome-based. Completely. And then I started realizing that, like, the days on set, the days, like, doing the acting with the people was actually all I gave a shit about. Like, I have a hard time, like, watching it afterwards. Like, I'm not really, you know, if this show is a hit or not, it's, like, interesting, but it's not the thing, you know? And that, yeah, I just, that has really, really hit me lately. And, like, Australia is a perfect example of that.

Because when we did it, it wasn't on Hulu yet. It was going to just be in Australia and on Stan. Love you, Stan. Love you, Stan. They have great shows in Australia. Yeah, they really do. I watch a lot of crime shows from Australia. Great crime shows.

Yeah, because they have real actors. Not everybody's beautiful, and I appreciate that. I totally agree. God, I love those actors. Same with BBC. Yeah. But I was like, if this doesn't – I was enjoying it so much that I was like, if this doesn't even go to America, I kind of don't care.

Like, I wouldn't have not done this. Right, right, right. You know? America. Did you bring your – America. In the land of the free and the home of the brave. The place.

Did you bring your short king husband to Australia with you? Yes, thank you. He came with me for like half of it. So I was there for like four months. Is he an actor as well? He's a producer. He runs Seth Meyers Production Company. So we're both sort of in like the same world.

Yeah. We're certainly in the same circle. Yeah, you are in the same circle. But he came out for like half of it, the last half. And he would wake up at like four in the morning and work and then go to the beach. It was like a really good life. He would work like whatever America's schedule is, New York's schedule. And then, yeah, and then he would like the second half of the day, he would just be like

an Australian dude. I wonder if Australia is ready and has the capacity to absorb half of America. We're there. Because how many people do? I just learned that LA County is only four, or not LA County, LA proper is only four million people. LA County is like 11 or something. I thought it would be way more than 4 million.

I mean, Australia has a lot of room, right? It's just like, we want to go to the beach. Yeah, but we want to put the snakes on one side of the island and the spiders. Because it is kind of surprising when you go to Australia, because I've gone there touring several times in my career, and you forget that it's basically the same distance as America. Like, if you go from Perth to Sydney, it's like a five-hour flight. And you're like, wait, what? Right.

I thought this was a little place, but it's not. There's a lot of spiders. But in that show, Sunday Nights, Will Forte plays my brother and his family was out there, his beautiful wife Olivia and his kids. And we talk about going back there a lot, like living there in a way that I just haven't experienced before. I know. And they're, you know, they're just very civilized the way that they've set up their lifestyle. There's bike paths in every major city in Australia. They set up like when you're in the, in the, in the Harbor, the Sydney Harbor is one of the most beautiful Harbors because they have no shipping containers. And I'm like, where do they put the shipping containers? Somewhere else. Not anywhere we can see them. And I appreciate that. I know. I know. And I walked – I like sort of discovered my love of just walking, like walking from tip to tip. Yes, yes, yes, yes. It's just like you just – it's really – it's made for people to like enjoy it. Yeah.

Yeah. Behind every night spent making the kids' lunches, there's a lot of suspense. Will they finally eat the veggies? Will the pesto survive the first bite? Will the lunchbox come home empty, half full, or come home at all? And will you finish episode eight before you're done slicing the cucumbers? Get Bell Pure Fiber Internet with Crave, Netflix, and Disney Plus from $94 a month. Price guaranteed for two years on internet with a two-year term and auto pay credit. Visit bell.ca for details and to check availability.

Bell. Connection is everything. When I was 14 years old, I was kidnapped and held captive for nine months. I survived, and I've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them. I'm Elizabeth Smart, and these are the Survivor Files. I just remember this low, taunting voice next to my ear saying, shut up, don't say anything. Every week, I'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable. I knew if he woke up, without a doubt, he was going to hurt me. I started feeling that there was someone at the end of my bed, and I just started screaming.

They are abducted, stalked, controlled, and nearly silenced. silenced. But these aren't stories about what's taken from them. They're stories about what it takes to make it out alive. Listen to The Survivor Files with Elizabeth Smart on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If your bookshelf and your For You page are equally important to your personality, welcome home. This is Prose Society, the weekly podcast that's part book club part group chat for thought daughters pop culture obsessives and anyone who thinks pride and prejudice and love island deserve the same level of discourse i'm eli rallo and every week we're connecting the dots between books the internet and the conversations everyone can't

stop having i'm gonna have to look up this story i'm obsessed i'm obsessed from best-selling authors and your favorite book talk creators to the latest pop culture moments nothing is off the table it's Like if you can hide some real messages inside compelling characters, then that is a Trojan horse. Whether you're looking for literary deep dives, smart pop culture conversations, or a community of readers who love to think a little too much, you're in the right place. Listen to Pro Society on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. See you between the pages. On the new podcast, Solita, we share the messy reality of traveling alone as a woman. I can wait four hours for the next bus or this random dude is offering me a ride on his motorcycle.

I chose option B. I'm Julie Pinheiro and I travel by myself because it's a rare space where I can say yes without asking anyone else first. I'm on a mission to reclaim the word solita, trading the pity for possibility. Every time I tried to be alone, I kept meeting people and they were like, you smiled at us. Not a lot of people smile around here. It's when you're alone that you're most receptive to the world as it is and not the lies you're sold about it. It can be a time where you push your limits, change your mind,

or wake up to a new version of yourself. So whether you're a solo travel veteran or you're too nervous to book your first trip, I hope you listen to Solita on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, we're going to take some callers. We give out advice. People are going to call in live. Let's begin this portion of this episode by you can tell,

you can choose to tell me either one great piece of advice that you've been given or a really bad piece of advice that you've been given. Okay, it's funny. I mean, I guess I told you the bad advice from my former teacher. From your former teacher. I guess like... Like, it's not funny. I just love, like, do you want to hang out with your former student?

There's something wrong about that. And I'm not quite sure what it is. And I also wanted to call her, like, Miss whatever. Yes, of course. She's like, stop. Like, I got a hot new husband. I'm not a teacher anymore. I'm an aspiring actress.

It was really very funny. Okay, this is too much about acting, but it just rings. That's okay. That's fine. From Ted, which was playing Janet on The Good Place was sort of like, basically he was like, whatever you do next, have it be the exact opposite from this and continue to do that throughout your career. Yeah, that's great advice. And that has really like been my North Star. That's great advice.

And it's helped me with like doing things I'm scared of, doing things that maybe I wouldn't want to say yes to, to really like follow your gut, I guess. Yeah. So that's really helped me. I like that. But that's, you know, that's advice for an actor. yeah or maybe we're not yeah maybe not it all it can i think in any creative endeavor it's good to shake it up and do what people don't expect like in life we get so stuck in our ways that we're like i mean it i'm you know the older we get it's so easy to get stuck in your in your patterns and

to like do things that scare us i think is how we like live a full life and stay young and you know I feel like I see that too much just people sort of like yeah it's just also good to get the adrenaline pumping right like if you're so accustomed to something or you've gotten really good at one thing it's like okay that's great but also

like the fear subsides and I feel like fear is a healthy ingredient before you're about to take something on I'm a big like I talk to my friends a lot about like fear that you have to be a little scared of something and if you are a little scared that's probably a reason to do it you know I like that

Well, I have an actor question. Oh, perfect. So we'll just go right on to that. And Ted is here in spirit. Ted Danson is always in this podcast in spirit. Well, Cassidy says, Dear Chelsea, I've been an actor my whole life and I've spent the last 11 years in L.A. working in commercials, TV, and creating my own projects when opportunities weren't there. Over the years, I've learned how to make things happen for myself. I've now produced multiple projects.

I've done stand-up at the Improv and the Ice House, and I even have a one-woman show I co-wrote and am performing. about choosing not to have kids and what that means for your identity and relationships, and we're putting that up soon. But I'm hitting a wall. I came out here to be a series regular on a TV show and have a work family, but the industry has changed so much over the past few years. Despite everything I've built, I feel like I keep having to start over. I've never been able to fully move on from this path, even when it's been painful, but I also don't know if I'm being resilient or if I'm just stuck. Most of the advice we get is just keep going, but what if you really are that person that just keeps going. With how much the industry has shifted, how do you evolve

your path without feeling like you're abandoning your original dream? Thanks, Cassidy. Wow, Cassidy. Hi, Cassidy. Hi. Hi, Cassidy. Hi. We have a bona fide actor with us today. I'm Darcy.

You called in on the right episode. Hi, Darcy. Hi. Darcy, why don't you start? Okay. If you don't mind. I don't. Because you are more of an actor than anyone else in this room.

You're not not an actor. I'm a comedian. Yeah. I'm like a little bit. Right. Not really. I really relate to this. I really like understand and I feel you so hard on this. I know this struggle so well. You're like, I also don't want to know what to do.

I will truly. I mean, for sure the industry is changing so much and there is this feeling of like, do I need to sort of like widen my view? Like, do I need to learn how to do other things or, or, you know, you kind of, we're in flux right now. So, so much. I really feel that. But also just the feeling of like moving to a city and, and with this goal and it's not quite happening, but it's not, not happening, but it's not exactly happening. like I think you know I lived in New York for 11 years made five dollars as an actor but also like um was very artistically fulfilled because I was doing what you're doing which is like putting shows up and and you know writing and and doing improv and doing sketch and stuff like that and auditioning for things and then moved to LA and it was a similar thing where I was like I had this feeling where it's like this thing that I wanted seems like it's not going to happen and it's like do I face that reality am I happy what's bringing me joy and I sort of like realized that I was I had to like shift my idea of what I thought my life was going to be a little bit but realized

that I was happy doing the things that you're doing I was happy doing the things that you're doing, but do you know what I mean? Like putting up your shows, it's such a struggle. It's just, it's such an unpredictable business. And especially the time that we're living in, I think it's just so important to have like a couple of ducks in a row that are not just acting and not just performing. And it sounds like you do, do you? I've got about three jobs. So yeah. So you're set for sure. The jobs and also, but like, I mean, so many actors, like you're already and a dog you're already so far ahead of it because so many actors come to LA or New York with with only the goal of like auditioning to get the job and it sounds like you are you're

doing your own thing too right you're writing your own shows you're like that that's that's the advice is like you you have to self-produce self-create all of that stuff it sounds like you're on top of it yeah and I'm really excited about the show and I've done other shows before like I said and have produced my own thing and this one truly does feel like it's kind of my purpose on earth amazing which is a crazy thing to say yeah because just it's what I've gone through with unpacking that I don't want to have kids but what that means as an identity and what does that mean for my future because I discovered that in my 20s so I was like well we got a lot of time left yeah and most people with their older are dealing with their kids or their grandkids and I was like

so what am I gonna be doing so it is fun in a way and the energy shift that I think you both were talking about I'm getting so much better at especially over the last year so that and I can definitely see things coming toward me because of it yeah I'm happy about that and I know it's a sort of nuanced question that nobody really knows what to say besides like just keep going but yeah I was wondering if there was like any in between because I know you I'm sure you two in even including Catherine know what I mean when you're like okay cool like let's discover this part of this medium and then you kind of feel like you're starting over and then you're like okay we did that that was fun I did it well actually but it doesn't feel like something I

want to do forever and that's also what I kind of came here to do like I went to school for music theater I've done film and tv out here I like it all but you know when you focus on too many things your energy gets diffused but then you also don't want to focus only on one thing exactly betting on that so there's all this sort of I think on the opposite end of the spectrum advice yeah I think it's really discerning like where you want to put your energy and focus and writing that down you You know, like what gives you the most feedback, payback, enjoyment out of all of the things that you're doing? And then narrow it down to like the three things that, A, are providing you with income and the stability to live and be safe, you know, and feed yourself, obviously. And then get to the second tier of things, like which ones do you enjoy?

Which ones give you life? Which ones, which aspects of this industry? Because the industry is always going to be shifting. like I did Howie Mandel's podcast a couple weeks ago and he was saying if you're doing comedy the same way you were doing it 15 years ago you're missing the whole boat like everything has changed and I was like I'm pretty sure I'm doing comedy the same way I was 15 years ago he's like no Chelsea you have a whole social media platform that you didn't have 15 years ago and I was like oh yeah you're right and he's like yeah you're on what are you on I was like all of them probably

you know and you're doing a podcast like you're adapting so like that's something that I stood out to me that he said is like you do see the difference between people who adapt versus people who resist totally like yeah it scares the shit out of everyone but you can't you have to deal with it like we can't just be like i'm not going to use it that's not helpful either and live performance is also something that you know is not going to be easily replaced right people don't want to go see a hologram perform i mean i'm sure some people do but most people don't i heard something interesting recently which was we were very excited in the like 70s and 80s about a computer being able to win at chess until it actually beat a person and then we didn't care

anymore interesting and we just watched people play chess I mean if you're into that sort of thing right right right so yeah that's interesting I okay one thing that like stuck out to me as you said like you feel like this show is your purpose on earth I think like follow that feeling right Like, like that is so attractive. And I think just, you know, it's, it might not be tomorrow that the, like the thing happens from the show or whatever, but you having that feeling of not the desperation of like, this is going to bring me something, but just more like, I love what I'm doing right now. That is so attractive. Totally. right and so then it's like you know I think good things will come from that so I think in like loving what you're doing and following your passion I know this maybe sounds a little like duh but it's like no that is you're doing it right and then and then you know yeah you have

to have this job and that job but that pays the bills but that can start changing tomorrow I don't know it's hard yeah absolutely I think that's true I think everything you're saying is right it's very hard to live an artist's life. It's very unpredictable. So like, that's what you signed up for. And this is just part of that. And so when you think about it that way, like, it just kind of comes with the territory. You get to do what you love to do with also the side of instability. So you just kind of have to warm up to that idea and do everything that you can to protect all of the things that are going to keep you safe, housed, clothed, and fed. I know you know this also, but like, you get the show tomorrow, you get the TV show,

and it lasts for one season. And then you're like right back in this, you're right back to the same feeling that you had before. This business is so up and down. And I don't, I mean, even, even someone that's like been doing it as long as you, like you've, I'm sure you feel that, you know, like, like the you're on top, you're on bottom, you're on top. It's just, it's, it's not, it's not for the faint of heart. So whatever. Yeah. I decided a while ago to stop putting energy into quitting yeah because I tried to quit so many times and I just kept coming back to it that's something that's good and it's a part of the energy shift I think too though there's like you know you want to have goals and you're supposed to have goals and of course I have

because you want to know where you're going but then a lot of the things that I've been a part of I would have never been able to put down and they've been some of my happiest days right so there's that weird in between yeah being open you like want to have a big goal but you're supposed to have a specific goal I'm not a real goal-oriented person I'm just more of a like I kind of fly by the seat of my pants a little bit so I can understand the goal aspect and why people do that but I also think just like welcome the challenges you know like you're talking about shifting your energy and part of that there's a great podcast that I just listened to Ezra Klein had Pema Chodron on. She's not a monk. What is it called when you're a female monk?

A monk, a monkess. A monkette. It's like a smurfette. But anyway, it was a lot about not resisting the reality of a situation, right? And when we are challenged, like in whatever industry you're in, we're talking about this specific entertainment industry. It's good to just kind of look at it and like move towards the challenge rather than just move away from it. And then that also becomes like an energy vibe that you're giving out where you are attracting different things and things are coming your way because you're not resisting the fact that the situation is changing or becoming challenging in a different way. You just kind of embrace it, you know, like, and you could

apply that to anything in life. Like you just kind of embrace the difficulty of the moment and move towards it. Yeah. That's interesting. I'll be thinking about that. Cassidy, will you send us a link to your show? And if it's up by the time this goes out, we'll put a link in the bio. Cute. Love that. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Thank you all so much. All right. Thanks, Cassidy.

And Catherine and Brad and everybody behind the scenes. Oh, thanks, Cassidy. Thanks for calling in. Bye. Bye. Behind every night spent making the kids' lunches, there's a lot of suspense. Will they finally eat the veggies?

Will the pesto survive the first bite? Will the lunchbox come home empty, half full, or come home at all? And will you finish episode eight before you're done slicing the cucumbers? Get Bell Pure Fiber Internet with Crave, Netflix, and Disney Plus from $94 a month, price guaranteed for two years on Internet with a two-year term and auto-pay credit.

Visit bell.ca for details and to check availability. Bell. Connection is everything. When I was 14 years old, I was kidnapped and held captive for nine months. I survived, and I've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them. I'm Elizabeth Smart, and these are the Survivor Files. I just remember this low, taunting voice next to my ear saying, shut up, don't say anything.

Every week, I'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable. I knew if he woke up, without a doubt, he was going to hurt me. I started feeling that there was someone at the end of my bed, and I just started screaming. They are abducted, stalked, controlled, and nearly silenced. But these aren't stories about what's taken from them. They're stories about what it takes to make it out alive. Listen to The Survivor Files with Elizabeth Smart on the iHeartRadio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If your bookshelf and your For You page are equally important to your personality, welcome home. This is Prose Society, the weekly podcast that's part book club, part group chat for thought daughters, pop culture obsessives, and anyone who thinks Pride and Prejudice and Love Island deserve the same level of discourse. I'm Eli Rallo, and every week we're connecting the dots between books, the internet, and the conversations everyone can't stop having.

I'm going to have to look up this story. I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed. From bestselling authors and your favorite book talk creators to the latest pop culture moments, nothing is off the table it's like if you can hide some real messages inside compelling characters and that is a trojan horse whether you're looking for literary deep dives smart pop culture conversations or a community of readers who love to think a little too much you're in the right place listen to pro society on the iheart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts See you between the pages. Hey, this is Hayes Davenport.

And Sean Clements. We host the podcast Hollywood Handbook on the Big Money Players Network. Our show is extremely accessible to first-time listeners. Each week, we talk to someone in show business, a.k.a. the biz, and try to help them with their careers and see what they have to offer us. Everyone has a good time, and no one gets mad at their publicist for letting them do our show. We've had a lot of great guests like Sarah Sherman.

Not that great. Actually, can you help me shape this? how about we flip it on its head how about we flip the script what if the surprise woman who actually you think is the straight man is actually the one who's acting weird

Adam Scott this entire time you've been expecting Adam Sandler to come to visit the show I would never expect I would never set expectations for something like that to happen

if the universe allows for something like that to happen i'm open to it i'm always going to accept you know danny mcbride fine yeah it's all this fragile masculinity exuding i could smell it walking down the hallway to be honest with you i was like is that weed nope it's fragile masculinity ben stiller no because a lot of times in out of context people don't get it or even know what a circle is you know what i mean like you're like oh what's this So everyone's so dumb and fake, right? Fake and also not interested or just like, oh, I've got my life. I don't care about your life.

And a lot of other big shots that wouldn't be where they are without us. Oh, and by the way, Will Ferrell told us personally he loves the show and he wants to be a guest on every episode, but he's just so busy. Listen to Hollywood Handbook on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Do you have time for one more? Yeah. Okay, great.

Okay. Well, this is a pretty important one. It's a pretty big one. So we have Ashley calling in. She's 26. She says, Dear Chelsea, I'm a 26-year-old straight woman, freshly graduated from medical school. Later this summer, I'm about to move several states away from my family to start my career. I'm currently engaged to the guy I've been with since I was 17, and we've overall been really happy. He supported me throughout school, and we're supposed to get married next year. However, there's this guy from my medical school class who I've had a crush on since the first day of school. In the last few months, I finally ended up telling him how I felt, and it turns out he felt the same way all along. When I'm around him, it's electric. I'm nervous. I'm shaky.

My heart races. I've never wanted somebody like I want him. When graduation came, we essentially said our goodbyes, and he made sure I knew that while he's not rooting against my future happiness with my boyfriend, if anything happens where I end up single give him a call whether he's in a relationship or not. It's a couple weeks since graduation and I hate the thought of never seeing him again. I can't stop thinking about him and I'm sadly thinking about ending my marriage before it starts. I love my fiance and he's a really good guy and he loves me so much and we've been happy but there are some feelings in me now

that weren't there before. I'm wondering if he's still everything I want in a husband. I'm also feeling like if I'm having these thoughts I have to break it off but this is like the scariest decision ever and I don't know if I'll regret it. I just have a couple weeks to figure it all out and tell my fiance if I decide to break it off. What do you think I should do? Do I give up what I know is good for something that could or could not be great? Ashley. Ashley. Ashley, you got stuff going on. Yeah. Is your wedding date set? Yeah, next year. Okay. Okay. I feel like you have an opportunity to like look into this situation that you have going with this guy. Like, I don't think you have to tell your fiance

everything right now. I think you can just simply say, I need a couple of weeks to myself to really think about this decision that we're making. I love you. I care about you. Like, but I really just need some time. I'm having all sorts of feelings

and I just want to take a break. I really don't think you need to divulge what it is that you're doing at this juncture. And what she's doing is fucking that guy. Yeah. That would be my advice. I would start dating this guy have sex with him and see if what you're because listen we've all had crushes and one of the most intoxicating things about them is that you don't know what

would happen and that's why we're so dazzled by this like you know the idea of someone new and the idea and when you put pen to paper you might just go and find out oh you have like no sexual chemistry or it doesn't feel good and then you'll be even more able to double down on the relationship that you are in right but if you don't explore this you're gonna regret it for the rest of you might regret it for the rest of your life that's what i'm thinking and and i think like this is a tricky one because i think this might be a little bit about um hot guy and a little bit about like it sounds like high school boyfriend is lovely and wonderful and my parents met in high school but like there other than that the idea of meeting your soulmate at 17 is is tricky like

you will grow and change so much and i'm not saying like he sounds wonderful and i think he is otherwise you probably would have gotten rid of him already but yeah it would be easier if he wasn't i know i know listen i actually really understand this situation like like on a deep deep personal level from my high school boyfriend, just like a lovely guy, just like nothing wrong with him, but just not quite there. And, and I do think if I had married him, I think I would be in a situation where I was like thinking about the medical school guy. Is there any scenario where you can say to your fiance, I need like a month to myself? So I've been thinking about like how to approach it because we're supposed to move away together at the end of next month. So like five, six weeks from now. And I don't want to do that. I think I have to move regardless. But I think I need to like sit down and talk to him and tell him that I don't want him to move with me at least just yet.

Ashley, I think you might want to take a break from, from this guy from boyfriend. Yeah. I think it might be more than a month. I think you might need to like really, yeah. If you're already thinking about that, moving in with him and then postponing that, I think that it would be in your best interest. Listen, when women have feelings, you need to pay attention to them because we've come from generations of women who have been taught to ignore what they feel. So in pursuing what you want even if it doesn't lead to anything exactly you're listening to yourself and then you're like breaking the cycle of women that came before you and for the women that come after you like you really I think about those kinds of things when I have a big decision I just think

about how does this decision affect all women yeah and like I know that sounds crazy but it's really it's worthwhile yeah to think about how you're in you know how you're standing up for yourself, you would give this advice like to a friend, right? You would say, go explore this and see what's there. And even if it's nothing, you were true to yourself and you examined it and you're like, okay, and maybe you're going to fall madly in love with this guy. And maybe this is the guy and maybe he's not, but either way, you should follow your heart and follow your emotions because you're young enough to do it. Right. My big question in this scenario is this guy who feels very exciting sometimes those people are it's exciting because they're chaotic right or

they're messy or you're unavailable and that's one of the reasons yeah and there's like a love bombing situation so is that what's going on at all or you don't feel that at all no I don't think he's like just in it for the mass of it I mean yeah like over the last like few weeks months he was very much on the side of like you need to like try not to cross any lines right right right which is respectful and nice and if he were toxic he would have been like yeah yeah and he he was really keeping me like fine and now and then when it was time for like us to say goodbye and him to he was like you have to figure out what you want to do like for you and like be out of this like if you end up single i'll be there but he was just like you can't you can't just swap us out

like you gotta figure out what you really want when you think about your um fiance do you feel like you're like in love with him for life or do you feel like this is you feel safe with him or what what do you think it is it just sort of like this you know this is like the natural progression of a relationship is like you date and then you move in together and then you get married i felt very in love with him i just feel like like a part of that is gone now yeah but i mean no i was very happy and like very excited to like marry him but i just feel like now i've been thinking things differently and with all these changes i feel different i also think if you take this space and you decide like i actually do like this person i'm with now is the person i want

to be with long term. I also don't think that you guys need to talk about anything that happened in the interim. I think that's like... I just think you need to listen to yourself. Like more than anything else, how you want to handle like the intricacies of it, you need to listen to yourself as a woman. Yeah. And you kind of

know already. I do. I do. I just, I don't know how to do it. You know what I mean? I think you just have to sit down with him and be as gracious as possible, knowing this person's in love with you. Sit down with him and be like, listen, I would be lying if I didn't say that I had some misgivings and I'm getting really nervous about being married and I

really need to like slow it down. Yeah. I need some time. I think for myself, I owe it to myself and I want to honor these feelings that I'm having that this, I don't think this has anything to do with you. This is me. Yeah. And I'm starting to feel panicked about the wedding. I'm just, So I just want some time to really like clarify or gain some clarity about how I'm feeling. And any real guy, like, of course, he's going to not love that. But if he really loves you, he's going to respect that. And you just have to be very respectful of him when you're telling him. I mean, obviously, you're not going to tell him that I'm interested in fucking this other

guy from college. But you can just be like, listen, I have some things. I have some unanswered questions. I don't know what that means. maybe you're going to talk to a therapist for a month maybe you're going to just like explore life what it's like without him in it for a month but putting it in a way

that there's nothing he can do you know and not leaving him hanging being like listen just give me some time and I will come back to you with a more an answer like a more realized but right now just like I don't like the way I'm feeling and I would never want to enter into a

partnership or a living situation feeling this way Right, right. So I have to clear my thoughts and I need to do that without you. And you do, you need it for you. It's not selfish. Like depending on his response to this

also can kind of inform you about how you guys are as a couple. Yes. And it's not like selfish. You have to do it for you. And he should also understand that you will never sort of forgive yourself or stop thinking about this.

And I don't even mean the guy. I mean you being alone for a little while. That's my fear. Yeah, so that's huge. Like if he doesn't understand that, that says a lot about him and you guys as a couple. All right, Ashley, will you check in with us? Give us the scoop?

Yeah, I'll email you. All right, good luck. Thank you so much. Thanks for calling, Ashley. Good luck with everything. Thank you. Okay, you too. Wait until you're 30 to get married.

We like your shoulders. Oh yeah, shit, get her back on. Okay, well, that was awesome, Darcy. That was our hour with Darcy Carden. You gave great advice, compassionate. Love you guys. You can watch her on Five Star Weekend, among all the other places you can see her. You can see her in A League of Their Own, Nobody Wants This, Loot, Sunny Nights with

Will Forte, and The Good Place, and Handmaid's Tale. But her newest project is Five Star Weekend, and all episodes are out today on Hulu, baby. Yay! Yay, we did it! Hoot! Yes. Hoot! If you want advice from Chelsea, write in to DearChelseaPodcast at gmail.com.

Dear Chelsea is a production of iHeartMedia. Follow Chelsea on all socials at Chelsea Handler and find Catherine on TikTok at Flashcadabra. Dear Chelsea is edited and engineered by Brandon Dickert, executive producer Catherine Law. Find full video episodes and minisodes now on Netflix and get tickets to see Chelsea live at ChelseaHandler.com. i survived nine months in captivity and i've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them i'm elizabeth smart and these are the survivor files every week i'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable abducted stalked controlled and nearly silenced. These are stories about what it takes to make it out alive. Listen to The

Survivor Files with Elizabeth Smart on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If your bookshelf and your For You page are equally important to your personality, welcome home. Pro Society is a weekly podcast that's part book club, part group chat for anyone who thinks Pride and Prejudice and Love Island deserve the same level of discourse. Each week, we're connecting the dots between books, the internet, and pop culture with your favorite writers, book talk creators, and plenty of overthought opinions. Yeah, I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed. Listen to Pro Society on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Did you hear the new episode of the Hey Jonas podcast? We are at D23, so we'll see who stops by. The cast of Frozen stopped by. Kristen Bell, Josh Gad, and Idina Menzel. I auditioned for Frozen. What? For Kristoff. They said, okay, what are you going to be singing today?

I said, I don't know. That must have been why you didn't get it. Oh, you probably won. Plus, John Stamos, Hayden Christensen from Star Wars, and more. And I guess I can share that, uh... No way. Listen to the latest episode of Hey Jonas on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

On the new podcast, Solita, we share the messy reality of traveling alone as a woman. I can wait four hours for the next bus, or this random dude is offering me a ride on his motorcycle, I chose option B. I'm Julie Pinheiro, and I travel by myself because it's a rare space where I can say yes without asking anyone else first.

I'm on a mission to reclaim the word solita, trading the pity for possibility. Listen to Solita on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed human.