Life Will Be the Death of Me with Chelsea Handler - From Cute to F*ckable with Dylan Mulvaney

Episode Date: April 10, 2025

Back by popular demand, it’s Dylan Mulvaney!  Dylan reveals how Chelsea helped her have her first kiss as a girl, who she’s looking for on Raya, and who in the room is a whore on the ...loose.  Then: A crush on a friend turns into deeper soul-searching.  A newly-married woman wonders how to support a single friend.  And non-binary babe struggles to feel like themselves out in the world. * Order a signed copy of Chelsea’s new book HERE! * Need some advice from Chelsea? Email us at DearChelseaPodcast@gmail.com * Executive Producer Catherine Law Edited & Engineered by Brad Dickert * * * The views and opinions expressed are solely those of the Podcast author, or individuals participating in the Podcast, and do not represent the opinions of iHeartMedia or its employees.  This Podcast should not be used as medical advice, mental health advice, mental health counseling or therapy, or as imparting any health care recommendations at all.  Individuals are advised to seek independent medical, counseling advice and/or therapy from a competent health care professional with respect to any medical condition, mental health issues, health inquiry or matter, including matters discussed on this Podcast. Guests and listeners should not rely on matters discussed in the Podcast and shall not act or shall refrain from acting based on information contained in the Podcast without first seeking independent medical advice.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed human. There's no shortcut for saving time, but saving money is simple. Just combine your car and home insurance with Bel Air Direct and save. Get a quote at BelAirDirect.com. I survived nine months in captivity, and I've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them. I'm Elizabeth Smart, and these are the Survivor Files. Every week, I'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable, abducted, stalked, controlled, and nearly silenced. These are stories about what it takes to make it out alive.
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Starting point is 00:01:28 welcome home pro society is a weekly podcast that's part book club part group chat for anyone who thinks pride and prejudice and love island deserve the same level of discourse each week we're connecting the dots between books the internet and pop culture with your favorite writers book talk creators and plenty of overthought opinions yeah i'm obsessed i'm us. Listen to Pro Society on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, Katherine. Hi, Chelsea. Hi, hi, hi. How's everybody doing? Good. You know what? I actually saw our friends Allison and Darling in New York last week. Oh, did you? I did. Allison and Darling, yes. They're taking the town by storm. Everyone who's listening, please, this is a reminder that
Starting point is 00:02:12 if you tag me when you're watching my special, my new special, The Feeling, on Netflix, where I wear my gold one piece which is my golden anniversary year I had no idea between gold bond that I was wearing gold gold bathing suit and then my special which I taped way before I turned 50 I was wearing my gold jumpsuit and this is my 50th year so everything is gold and that's your golden anniversary so it's my anniversary with myself I love that I know so please tag me for the special because I get so many tags about my books but I'm not getting as many about my special and my special is the newest thing out so I want to make sure all my ardent fans are watching it and tagging me, and I'll repost you.
Starting point is 00:02:50 And yes, it's called The Feeling. I love it. And Chelsea, we also wanted to ask for more couples and duos to call in or to write in for mini-sodes. Yes, if you're having a, even if it's a friendship kind of disagreement or a relationship disagreement, we want you guys to call in for couples advice.
Starting point is 00:03:08 We're going to do that on our mini-sodes as well, too. And also, everyone can check out my European dates. I start in Reykjavik in May, and I end in Lisbon, Portugal at the beginning of June. So come see me in Europe if you're one of our European fans. Also, if you guys want another inspiring book to read,
Starting point is 00:03:25 I Am Maria by Maria Shriver just came out and it is beautiful. It's a book of poetry. I'm not really, but it's not your traditional poetry. It's like stream of consciousness poetry. And there's a foreword by her about everything she's experienced in her life that is so moving.
Starting point is 00:03:40 And it just blew me away. I read the entire book last night on my sofa. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I just finished Dylan Mulvaney's new memoir. Yes, I've read that, of course, for our new guest. I mean, it's so I mean, obviously, you know, we read a lot of celebrity memoirs on the show. And I think it's one of my favorites that I've ever read. Like, it's so beautiful. It's funny. It's light. It's refreshing. Like, it's honest. It's great.
Starting point is 00:04:03 Yeah, it's a great read. Just like Dylan herself. She's a great read. And her brand new podcast, The Dylan Hour, just launched. I actually worked on it. It was so much fun. It has amazing episodes. It's so fun and kitschy. It's really fun to watch on YouTube also because it's like 60s themed and it has a whole pink set and it's really sweet. I would start with either like the Nori Reid episode. It's really, really fun. There's an episode with her dad that's really touching and really fun. She's got an episode with Glennon Doyle. Go check it out. The Dylan Hour. Which brings us to our guest. Please welcome Dylan Mulvaney. Oh, look at you. Look at how you handled that microphone, Dylan. Wow. I'm a podcaster now.
Starting point is 00:04:41 Wow. Back by popular demand, by very popular demand is our favorite, our favorite transgender woman, our favorite transgender person, Dylan Mulvaney is back. And we have a lot of catching up to do. We have a lot to talk about. Because you've been hanging around with a lot of my friends. I saw Alan Cummings. You posted a picture of you guys last night. I'm like, where is everybody? Well, I, more importantly, the last time I was on this podcast, the last thing I asked you I hadn't been kissed as a girl yet and I was like should I do it and you were like yeah hurry the fuck up yeah and um I did accomplish a lot of that since we last saw each other but what I'm about to show you is very important because I was in Paris and this was
Starting point is 00:05:25 Alan Cumming was included in this evening and I went clubbing with a bunch of people like from a conference and I left the club looking like this and I just wish that for our audio listeners that they would really get to see this but can you describe what you see uh well we can hold it up can i hold this up to a camera can you see that this is dylan that's me leaving the club at 5 a.m like a whore on the loose this is what i would call summer whore when you have the hot pink lipstick it's all around her face once like maroon and then it went it's giving clown this is ridiculous but basically i i went into the club and sucked face with everyone you saw and just one just one and he really did a number on my makeup your face looks like my head right now
Starting point is 00:06:15 i thought i had a pimple on my forehead this morning are you saying my face looks like a pimple in that picture it looks like a big pimple that pops right now i said that one that's we got a big problem if that's what i'm walking around like all the time i thought i had a pimple on my forehead this morning in my hotel room and i went in after it and then as i was trying to squeeze and nothing was coming out i realized it's a fucking mosquito bite oh so i basically attacked myself i it adds character and i went it's like a knot on my head right now i got into my car this morning we're in new york cartoon with like a fucking piano dropped on your head new york and my driver's like what's he goes what's wrong with your head that's what he said to me rafa
Starting point is 00:06:54 he can say that though he's been my driver for a long time um okay so dylan mulvaney the last time we spoke you were I mean first of all I don't even know where to begin you've been very busy been all over and I was going through the ringer right when I saw you that was you were going because you were getting you were getting a lot of backlash and now that just seems to be the trend of my life and so that let's revisit what was happening it was the beer commercial there was a beer situation and it felt like the whole world was after me and now I've really learned how to not give a fuck. And I think I learned that kind of from you. And I also just now know to roll with the punches because if this is going to be my life, then I think that kind of just
Starting point is 00:07:35 comes with it and we can only do our best. I think it's very important to build resiliency as soon as you possibly can because if you're going to be in a public, if you're going to be in the public, there is no way that you're going to get out of this unscathed being a public personality. There's just no way. So when people are really sensitive and they can't deal with it, I mean, it's a natural reaction to have, but eventually you have to toughen up a little. Were you ever fragile? I kind of, the way I've read your stuff, like, it doesn't seem like that. I don't know if fragile would be the word, but I've been knocked down a lot.
Starting point is 00:08:07 Yeah, I've been knocked over and down and thought, oh, fuck, maybe I should just disappear. Maybe everyone's sick of me or maybe this or that. And that, you know, I, you think that those moments are temporary. They're not permanent. and i deal with a lot of people that come to me who are fragile and want to know what to do i think we're attracted to you yeah maybe a magnetism because it's like oh you're okay but but that becomes a lot to handle too like i remember this was just last week i was like i had so much of my own shit to deal with and then i had like four or five people coming to me about how to deal with
Starting point is 00:08:43 their shit and i remember thinking i don't have the fucking time for this i'm not a counselor but then I'm like no you are a counselor that's actually what you like and enjoy doing oh yeah you you want to help people so it's easier to look in rather than into yourself sometimes have you met anyone that you're interested in like more long term are you just having fun with strangers been you know in Paris bars that'll do it oh oh my god you're gonna die I can't believe I'm telling you this on on air I did hook up with my um room service waiter in Paris also this weekend i've always dreamt about that actually i left that that picture moment and i went back to the hotel and then i got a charcuterie board and the waiter was so hot chelsea and um and he
Starting point is 00:09:25 went sava and i went sava and then does that mean sucky sucky what does sava mean how are you i think and i said how are you and somebody else is gonna quote me that was incorrect then we started making out and it was amazing. I love that these things, you were making out with your room service attendant. Yeah. I didn't even know that was legal. Well, I'm trying to kind of pivot because I went on a date a few weeks ago where the person was, well, I was on a date with a woman and she was like, she first asked me, she's like, are you into me? And I was like, yeah, I'm into you. And then I was like, are you into me? And she's like, well, and I was like, what does that mean? She's like, you're kind of like the baby bird and I'm the mama bird. And I don't know if I'm allowed
Starting point is 00:10:04 to fuck the baby bird. And I'm like, you can fuck the baby bird. And I'm just sort of now trying to figure out how to take myself out of the cute to fuckable category. You know what I mean? So dear Chelsea, how do you go from cute to fuckable? I think it's a natural progression and it's going to happen very naturally. And it starts with the room service waiter. And it starts with sucking off the room service waiter. No, I don't think you sucked him off. I didn't do it. Okay, good. Good. Cause I just, yeah, yeah. I mean, you can, there's nothing wrong with that. I mean, I don't know what goes on in France, but it sounds wonderful. This is like when masseuses go down on you.
Starting point is 00:10:37 I'm like, I've had a lot of massages, and that's never come up. I was going to say, you did say it, though. Like, that was a frequent thing that can happen. I would love a masseuse to go down on me. You have to get on Grindr. Well, but I want to just have a masseuse offer it. Like, why not? I'm relaxed.
Starting point is 00:10:51 I'm not going to fight you. You can go down on me. Finger blast me. That's the perfect setting for me to get finger blasted, is while I'm lying down, half out of it. I want that for you, too. I know. And I hear all these stories.
Starting point is 00:11:02 I even went to this hotel that I heard they had. You're like, what's wrong with me? And then I was like, oh, I guess. And my friend's like, you're just too intimidating. I go, while I'm getting a massage, I'm too intimidating? You have to go in full glam. You get full glam done. We get Jamie makeup in here just to really beat your face.
Starting point is 00:11:18 Yeah, you've been hanging out with Jamie makeup a lot. Oh, I love that woman. I know, good vibes. She's so fun. I know, she's so fun. Yeah, you got to keep the good ones around. I told her she's a personality hire. You need her personality.
Starting point is 00:11:28 I was like, forget about your makeup skills. Your personality is where it's at. That's how I feel about myself too. Okay. So tell me about your life. I want to know. So you left here and you had a lot of drama with the beer and then that subsided. And then we started Marco Polo-ing, me and you, because we found that I don't like to
Starting point is 00:11:47 text. You don't like to do FaceTimes or phone calls. So it's like this walkie talkie app. And I asked you about ayahuasca, went to do that down in Peru by myself. Yes. And that really made me willing to do life again. It was like a lot of great things came up. and um and then i came back to the states and finished up my book i've got my podcast what's
Starting point is 00:12:09 the podcast called it's called the dylan hour oh i love it and it's sort of like you deserve a podcast thank you it's like sort of this 1960s flair you know i i love to live in the eras and what it originally came from was that there was i was getting so much hate from these like conservative extremists like right-wingers had all these podcasts and i was like well what the fuck, I want one. And and so it's not targeting those people at all. It's just kind of a celebration of femininity. And the important part is that we get to drink alcohol on it. Which do you ever do that? I don't not on my podcast, but I did Bert Kreischer's podcast. And it was around it was at noon. And I had two vodka OJs. Oh, and it was a two hour podcast. And I think that's pretty much
Starting point is 00:12:52 how all podcasts should be conducted. It's just a very loose format. And people are more relaxed. And it's just easier to drink and talk about yourself. And they'll tell you more things. Yeah. I mean, I don't need alcohol to open me up. You know, I mean, I already have a problem with my mouth. Right. I give away way too much information.
Starting point is 00:13:10 If you were going to come on my pod, what do you think we would drink? Like, what's your go-to? I was drinking gin for a while. I'm kind of in gin. You'll get there, honey. And I'm a little bit in gin. And then I'm kind of pivoting back to vodka now. Vodka was grossing me out for a while because it tasted like,
Starting point is 00:13:25 it started to taste like gasoline but whenever you overdo anything it starts to taste disgusting you ever tried everclear oh no that's really gasoline i like that that's like rubbing alcohol that'll get you what are you drinking i love vodka i love um an espresso martini oh i had one of those yesterday that will keep you up and um i love oh dirty shirley temple you ever had one of those what's shirley temple with vodka oh yeah or an aperol spritz yeah that's very Mallorca vibes. Yeah, Mallorca, very Mallorcan. So you'll come on my pod one day? Of course. What are you talking about? I'm honored to be on your podcast. And yeah, it's sort of just like a celebration of femininity and giving me a chance to get off, you know, the internet so much and
Starting point is 00:14:07 kind of get in front of somebody else because so much of what I was doing online was just me in my bedroom. And I was like, I haven't talked to someone in five days. So it's time to sit down and shoot the shit. And are you still living in your same house? I live in the cute house. Okay. the Joni Mitchell vibes. I didn't know if you had to move because you were worried about all the backlash. That was scary, but we're okay now. Now everything's good. So that's great. I'm glad to hear that. What other backlash have you been facing? I released a song called Days of Girlhood. Did you hear about that one? Yeah, I heard about that, but I did not hear about the backlash. So I put this song out sort of as like, you ever heard of Rebecca Black's Friday? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:43 Or like Paris Hilton's Stars Are Blind. You know, I wanted one song to give the gaze, you know, if I was going to go at any moment, just to remember me. And and so I basically put the most sort of just like, stereotypical, silly, feminine things into one song. I did not think I was singing fucking, you know, I didn't think I was Tchaikovsky or anything when I went into writing this. And wow, the internet just roasted me because it first started with the TERFs. And it started with, you know, women who were so deeply offended that I would be singing about womanhood or girlhood wait what's the turf um trans exclusionary radical feminist so a feminist that doesn't include trans people okay copy and like a jk rowling yes right but the song this
Starting point is 00:15:28 song gave them kind of like this perfect sort of like oh i'm gonna be sad on the internet to talk about how much this song you know made them so upset and then my audience had already decided that it was a bad song but the thing about gen z is they will ride hard and so when they found out it was getting hate they were like well now this is my favorite fucking song I've ever heard but yeah I don't think I'm meant for I don't think the music industry is for me how about you no no I don't have any I can't sing and I have no rhythm I can't even dance what's your go-to karaoke I don't do karaoke ever Dylan are you not hearing me I cannot you want to hear me sing yeah I do happy birthday to you happy birthday to you like that's it good no that's not good voice I
Starting point is 00:16:11 No, that's not good. And I'm not taking voice lessons. You think I need to add that to my repertoire? I don't know. It sounds like you've got two months in Mallorca to fucking find some cool- I have one month in Mallorca, and I'm not recording an album. That's not what you want to do with your time. You want me to come out with a song so I can get more hate than you got.
Starting point is 00:16:27 So you can give it and be like, look, look at Chelsea. She's a real fucking asshole. Wait till you see this one. Actually, I should record a song, and then we release it together called, You Thought I Was an Asshole. watch this featuring I'm gonna be featured on it Catherine do you sing I do I do sing oh hell yeah okay yeah so you know I'll sing on the on there with you as well thank god Catherine sings when she talks sometimes and I have to tell her stop she'll be like Chelsea's like stop singing I'm
Starting point is 00:16:57 like Catherine that does not go with this podcast I can't help it I have a song in my this is not a musical theater podcast mine is get ready I want to talk about some heartfelt moments that you've had with like fans and people that have reached out to you because that must feel really good and meaningful and I know that you have them oh my god every day I think like so often the internet feels like the most toxic place and then I'll open up like a dm from like a girl that just went to college that's getting her bottom surgery or a parent that like they watch my videos together And like that to me is worth it. Like I think so often I feel like social media and content creation, it's so can feel really icky sometimes it can feel like it's either selfish or that you don't know if it's actually helping anyone or that it's potentially hurting, you know, like I'd never want to put something out there that's a bad representation of the trans community. But then when you've got the dolls surrounding you and rallying behind you, and that was my big takeaway from the backlash at Beergate was like, oh, I got so burned. And the trans community and the queer community were the ones waiting to pick me back up. And I think that just told me like, oh, that's who I want on my side. That's who I want my audience to be. And because I tried so hard to be palatable for so long.
Starting point is 00:18:22 To be appealing to all these people, right? Yeah. We were talking about that with my book title. They were like, oh, well, this is going to exclude men. And I'm like, but what straight men are reading my books? Like, let's be honest. I'd rather home in on the people that are my audience, all the people who feel like I do,
Starting point is 00:18:37 who don't want to have children, who are single, who care about being a woman and being a sister and all of those things. It's better to focus and home in on your audience instead of trying to appeal to everyone. Amen. in my show that I'm doing is called Fag Hag. And a lot of people go, Oh my God, can I say that? I'm like, I don't know. Can you? You're kind of a fag hag. I know. I know. You like gay people.
Starting point is 00:18:59 I do. I love gay people. I went out last night. I tried to set my two gay guy friends up and my one gay friend got so fucking wasted. He was such a mess at dinner. And then I had my other friend at dinner. She was off a plane from Paris. And so I'm with this guy that I know trying to set i'm up with this guy and my other friend they're not making any sense the two of them it was like being out with three-year-olds did they like each other yeah they ended up hooking up oh great what's my turn well i don't know i don't know because you like men and women so it's hard for me to focus on which one okay it's funny though because when i'm on raya and if i'm looking through men it's a lot of these guys that'll say like mutual you know mutual in common chelsea handler and
Starting point is 00:19:42 It's usually the men over 40, and I'm like, do I want to be sisters with her on this one? And then sometimes I'm like, should I text her? And I'm like, he's not hot enough to really go to bat for this one. Yeah, right. But I will start vetting through you. Yeah, just send me a screen. No, you can't take a screenshot. I know, but I do it all the time.
Starting point is 00:20:04 I do it. You're not supposed to. No, they're going to ban your ass so fast. No, they're not. They're not going to ban me. They need you. If they haven't banned me by now, they're not going to ban me. Oh, that's so good.
Starting point is 00:20:11 And sometimes I need to take a screenshot because I'm like, wait, I don't know if I've already met this person. Or sometimes they'll be like really hot and I'll be like, good for Chelsea. And I can only assume, you know, maybe it's like your fucking pool boy. I know, I know. I use Raya a lot when I'm in spurts. There are periods of my life where I am all about Raya. Oh, I love it.
Starting point is 00:20:31 Because it's just so fun when you're in a different city and you're just wanting to hook up and nothing more serious. It's a perfect tool. Oh, the best. And you can like I've seen guys from high school that like I had a crush on or I've seen like my favorite actors and that it's it's good. On that note, we're going to take a break, Dylan, and we'll be right back with Dylan Mulvaney. If you'd like advice from Chelsea, write into us at DearChelseaPodcast at gmail.com. We'd love to hear your questions for any juicy story you'd like advice on.
Starting point is 00:21:00 But this week, we're especially looking for questions about parenting. So if you are a parent and have problem children, please write in and tell us your story at DearChelseaPodcast at gmail.com. There's no shortcut for saving time, but saving money is simple. Just combine your car and home insurance with Bel Air Direct and save. Get a quote at BelAirDirect.com. If your bookshelf and your For You page are equally important to your personality, welcome home. This is Prose Society, the weekly podcast that's part book club, part group chat for thought daughters, pop culture obsessives, and anyone who thinks Pride and Prejudice and Love Island
Starting point is 00:21:38 deserve the same level of discourse. I'm Eli Rallo, and every week we're connecting the dots between books, the internet, and the conversations everyone can't stop having. I'm going to have to look up this story. I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed. From bestselling authors and your favorite book talk creators to the latest pop culture moments nothing is off the table it's like if you can hide some real messages inside compelling characters and that is a trojan horse whether you're looking for literary deep dives smart pop culture conversations or a community of readers who love to think a little too much you're in the right place listen to pro society on the iheart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts see you between the pages when i was
Starting point is 00:22:23 14 years old, I was kidnapped and held captive for nine months. I survived, and I've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them. I'm Elizabeth Smart, and these are the Survivor Files. I just remember
Starting point is 00:22:39 this low, taunting voice next to my ear saying shut up, don't say anything. Every week, I'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable. I knew if he woke up, Without a doubt, he was going to hurt me.
Starting point is 00:22:55 I started feeling that there was someone at the end of my bed, and I just started screaming. They are abducted, stalked, controlled, and nearly silenced. But these aren't stories about what's taken from them. They're stories about what it takes to make it out alive. Listen to The Survivor Files with Elizabeth Smart on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On the new podcast, Solita, we share the messy reality of traveling alone as a woman. I can wait four hours for the next bus or this random dude is offering me a ride on his motorcycle. I chose option B.
Starting point is 00:23:35 I'm Julie Pinheiro and I travel by myself because it's a rare space where I can say yes without asking anyone else first. I'm on a mission to reclaim the word solita, trading the pity for possibility. Every time I tried to be alone, I kept meeting people and they were like, you smiled at us. Not a lot of people smile around here. It's when you're alone that you're most receptive to the world as it is and not the lies you're sold about it. It can be a time where you push your limits, change your mind, or wake up to a new version of yourself.
Starting point is 00:24:10 So whether you're a solo travel veteran or you're too nervous to book your first trip, I hope you listen to Solita on the iHeartRadio app, apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and we're back with dylan mulvaney katherine are we ready to rumble today we are so ready to rumble we've got our collars hanging out we've got questions and our first question comes from audrey i think this like fits very much into what you were talking about with dating and dating guys or girls so audrey says hi chelsea i'm a 22 year old trans woman from the south i have a doozy for you i've been with a man for four years and we got
Starting point is 00:24:53 together a couple months into my transition i love him and he is my best friend but i've recently come to the realization that i am attracted to women i think i just made myself believe i was attracted to men because i liked how validated and feminine it made me feel to date a man But I've come to realize my femininity is just as valid being with a man or a woman. After thinking about all of this, my attraction to men has gone way down. It's like once I discovered the truth, my brain wouldn't let me see men the same. My attraction for women is now greater than it is to men. Should I tell him I want to experiment with women?
Starting point is 00:25:27 Should we break up? I don't want to hurt my best friend that I love so much, but I want to make some changes. Audrey. Dylan? Well, I think it's very common for trans people to expand their sexuality, you know, after a gender identity shift. Because I think once you unlock one part of yourself, you're like, oh my gosh, there's this, why would I limit myself? You know, it's like, I think we put sort of parameters on ourselves. And once you open one floodgate, you're like, fuck it. and I think that's kind of what happened with me is like as far as like oh why am I limiting myself but I also think and it sounds like it's more so just based on her attraction to women and less of like her disdain for men because I more so I'm like wow this grass isn't greener because I had
Starting point is 00:26:13 never been with straight men before and now I have and it's actually not the it's not amazing I miss gay men I know it's it's not amazing and that's why so many women are becoming late in a lot of friends make that change yeah it's totally normal and then like and getting really serious really fast which they getting really serious with with women uh-huh and i think for audrey it sounds like maybe if there's nothing going on with the relationship that feels toxic or unsafe and she still really does enjoy this person it sounds like maybe an open relationship might yeah the option if he's if he's gonna be open for that but i i really don't think you have a choice. Like when you love someone and you respect them, it is really kind of imperative
Starting point is 00:26:56 that you are honest with them. Oh, absolutely. So like either way, I mean, if he's not open to it, you'll find out right away. But either way, you need to be honest about your desires and see how and give him the opportunity to say yay or if he rejects it and then you have a decision to make. Right. Catherine, did she write specifically that she's met another woman that's kind of interesting to her yet? No, just I think in general. Well, that's a good timing situation. You know, it sounds like a conversation with the boyfriend or, you know, the man friend that to see how he feel, you know, about what this relationship could look like. Yeah. Yeah. You should definitely address it, though. It's good practice to address these uncomfortable conversations as early as you can, because life is filled with them.
Starting point is 00:27:38 And the better you are at being honest and upfront and direct without it being acrimonious or screaming or yelling, like the more evolved you become and the better skilled you are to actually handle difficult situations. yeah and you know audrey is only 22 so like very young just starting to experience these things and she also mentioned best friend a couple of times and there's maybe some examination there of you know our relationships change over time and maybe you do feel about this guy more than he's a friend than a real partner right now or maybe the romantic feelings have shifted i gen z is so fluid with everything. And I think that my advice to her would be like, don't try to put a label on what this attraction is for you until you do a little experimenting. You might like being with women more than you expected, or it might not. But I think in the meantime, having this conversation
Starting point is 00:28:34 with the guy and going from there, because I don't think anyone in that age group is going to be judgy. I also think it's a great time in your life to be experimenting with your femininity. Like I liked what you said in her letter about like she's realizing that her femininity isn't reliant upon a male presence. I did get a little nervous. I thought about, you know, being with a woman. Would that make me feel like I had to like step up and put on sort of these like masculine qualities? But it's never been that way. And I think that as long as it's not giving you dysphoria, it can be really beautiful because a woman honoring a trans woman's existence like in a romantic relationship is really special what ended up happening with you in this older woman
Starting point is 00:29:20 or this this woman you were just talking about the mama bird the mama bird sorry no we did not we kissed but then i think it was then you regurgitated into your mother's mouth i asked i asked her i was like well how do i go from cute to fuckable and and she was like you need to have more sex i was like how do you know i'm not having more sex and she was like well are you and i was like no and so I think it was kind of like doctor's order situation and then I'll circle back you know with like so I don't know two weeks after you find me some it sounds like your your pairing skills are great well I mean I've been on a roll lately I mean I've hooked up I've I've made I've actually set three people up in the last six months well maybe find me I I could
Starting point is 00:30:01 go with the man okay but like I gotta think I gotta start thinking like it's 60 30 to 60 yeah What kind of range is that? What kind of window? I like older too. I want somebody very sure of themselves, successful, tall. I could see you with an older man, actually. That makes sense. I'm the first wife.
Starting point is 00:30:19 No, I'm third wife vibes. And then he's my first husband vibe. Especially with like the way you're vibing now. I know you're dressed to go to the theater, right? No, I wear this all the time. You never know what 60-year-old man you're going to meet on the streets of New York on his way home from Wall Street. On his way home from his podcast.
Starting point is 00:30:35 I had to think about what Wall Street was. oh god that's my one condition no men with podcasts unless it's something really boring talking about money management uh okay katherine what money management our next uh caller is jerry jerry is is it jerry seinfeld it's not jerry seinfeld he's always calling in he can't keep him off the line no jerry is calling in from chicago and jerry uses pronouns they them dear Chelsea. I'm a 42-year-old non-binary genderqueer person assigned male at birth. But if you knew me in my day-to-day, you would only know this from my stand-up. That's because certain open mics are the only place I feel safe dressing or acting feminine, probably because I can claim that I'm
Starting point is 00:31:20 just joking. I don't enforce my pronouns at work because after numerous attempts, I've lost hope. When I see a cute blouse, I will always talk myself out of buying it. And when I do muster the courage to wear quote women's clothes out of the house part of me still feels a little strange my stand-up hobby has been a great way to cope i joke that i've always looked like a daddy but talk like a mommy and how it unnecessarily confuses people but i know this is just a band-aid on the real problem i hate to admit it but i'm so ready to give up and conform again ever since i had to i don't know ever since i had to stop being a lawyer for my health confronting anyone about any issue big or small has triggered my fight or flight response and
Starting point is 00:32:00 mine is usually freeze and it feels so lonely because the only people my age coming out as non-binary are celebrities like JVN or Sam Smith when you wore a jumpsuit in one of your specials Chelsea I bought a jumpsuit to wear to my open mics everyone who went up after me made fun of it and I didn't even care because I kind of felt like I was channeling your confidence maybe I'm hoping you can work your magic on this problem I honestly don't see a solution to Your devoted, but not in a creepy way, fan, Jerry Veyva. Hi, Jerry. And Jerry will join us here.
Starting point is 00:32:30 Oh, perfect. Oh, what a conundrum. It is really just, it's just brutal. How in these streets. I know. I mean, it's just so hard to even be what people expect of you. And then you want to be something that people don't expect. And then you have to, you're consumed with what other people think.
Starting point is 00:32:48 And I hate that. I hate that everyone is so consumed with what other people think and how they're going to view them and how you get rid of that. People are always like, how are you so confident? I'm like, I don't feel like I'm that confident, but I just, I'm not interested in negative opinions about me. Do you ever feel like you might have a she, they in your bio? Something like that is happening. Wow. Something like that. It's a coming out episode. Hi, Jerry. We love you already. I'm Dylan, by the way. Dylan Mulvaney is our special guest. Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm familiar.
Starting point is 00:33:19 I've seen your videos on TikTok. You're really moving. Okay, talk to us. So you're feeling pretty like low and not able to express yourself. I can't enjoy being feminine. There's just always like a fear attached to it. And you did say, you know, you wore that jumpsuit, which I'm so obsessed with already. But you said that other people commented negatively about it.
Starting point is 00:33:44 Oh, yeah. But I mean, that wasn't so much gender related. so much as like oh yeah are you off to like construction work or something i think it's iconic my worry for you is that i don't want you to use stand-up as a way to self-deprecate about yourself because i think a lot of comedy can go in that direction and especially if the crowds you're performing for are more of the um straight or tourist crowd what i really want you to try to focus on is finding those like specifically queer or trans or non-binary open mics because that's where you can make you know light of a situation without having to be the butt of every single joke
Starting point is 00:34:24 and I got back into stand-up recently since I had you know transitioned and I found myself in these rooms where they were only laughing when I was putting myself really down or you know referring back to myself as a gay man or what like it and I think as much as it might feel good to get that laugh. I just don't want you, especially in such a sensitive time where you are truly finding your true self. And I don't want it to hinder that in any way. I want you to protect yourself. And I also, I went by they, them pronouns for about a year and three months before I fully transitioned. And I just wanted to confirm with you, like, it can be so lonely because people, some people just don't get it. What do you think, Chels? I think that you have to, I understand,
Starting point is 00:35:11 and I can't, you know, I haven't been through this myself, but I think it's really important to have strong conversations with yourself every single day about who you are and what you're putting out there. You know what I mean? So that you have confidence in your decision-making and that other people aren't having such an impact on the way that you feel about yourself. You're not looking for their validation, you have the desire to express your feminine side. That has nothing really to do with any of them. And if they don't like it, that's also not your problem. You need to go where the light is. You know what I mean? Like the people that love you, the people that understand you. And when you're on stage, I agree with what Dylan said. Listen, a lot of comedy is
Starting point is 00:35:53 self-deprecating. I'm self-deprecating, but I think it's important to recognize the difference between making fun of yourself to fit in versus making fun of yourself because- You already love that part of yourself and it's safe territory to make light of. Yeah, it seems like you're missing a chunk of self-love. And if I were gonna give you any advice, I would say to fill yourself up every single day
Starting point is 00:36:17 before you leave the house, whether that's with like affirmations, a gratitude journal, or looking in the mirror and telling yourself that you're a fucking rock star, that you're beautiful, that you're kind, that you're capable and that you're intelligent and keep having these ongoing conversations with yourself because i know dylan you had to do that for a very long time too oh it can be so lonely
Starting point is 00:36:37 and still you know like i i think what was sad was when i did transition back onto the binary in some ways it was like a little bit of relief because people at least knew where to put me or what you know where to slot me and just don't give into that pressure right now because i i want you to put yourself in spaces whether that's queer bars or open mics or meetup groups activities that like you know a hundred percent that the people there are going to honor your pronouns they're going to compliment your fun feminine outfits find someone to go shopping with that you feel really safe and is going to like make you feel euphoric i know dating can also be really tricky but you've got to oh my gosh honey i don't i fucking know it and you have to right now
Starting point is 00:37:27 prioritize your identity and not your comedy career not relationships not and this is your time to really explore because if you don't go all the way in to whatever it is you're interested in or what you are looking to find you might shut yourself off from a lot of beautiful things Do you have a small community there in Chicago that's separate from your work? Not really. I need to look harder. Right. I think it can be expensive, but I know Second City and the Groundlings and, you know, there's
Starting point is 00:37:59 a bunch of comedy theaters there that have a bunch of classes. And I imagine that they attract some queer folks. And although that's not, you know, necessarily a queer meetup by any means, I do think that there might be some really cool, safe people there to get to know. And especially like you might not need group therapy, but I think a group laugh can be a great thing. I would like to ask one piece of advice on behalf of Jerry. So as far as like the outfit goes, right, Jerry is, you know, channeling Chelsea and
Starting point is 00:38:30 wearing like a Chelsea type outfit with the jumpsuit. But is there a way that Jerry can preempt those sorts of jokes when they do come up and sort of like talk about how they look fabulous, like before anybody else comes up and makes a big deal about it? I have a friend, a comedian friend named Michael Folk who dresses like, he likes to dress like a woman and he goes by they, them. He's non-binary and he sometimes wears dresses. They like to wear dresses. They like to wear dresses. Thank you. They like to wear dresses and they have a great attitude about it because it's just part of who they are. They're not ever explaining themselves. And if anyone does probe or lean in, they're just like, there's no question. Like, there's such a confidence about what they're doing that there's no question. And it doesn't matter because you can't be doing this looking for everybody's approval. It's outside of a lot of people's comfort zones.
Starting point is 00:39:25 again that is not your problem that is their problem that is their issue let people figure out how they're going to talk to you you know and you can't expect everybody to like fall in place with what you know how you want to identify because it's so out of touch with them but you have every right to identify however you want so you've got to like really instill in yourself whatever confidence you were able to come up with to say this is who I am this is what I'm going to do. And you're going to either love me or you're going to hate me. And neither one of those things are my problem. Amen. And I think when you really do lean into who you are and what your desires are, there is a magnetic field that you kind of create around you that attracts like minded people
Starting point is 00:40:12 because you're living out loud in a brave way. Yes. And when and when you start vetting some of those people out, I think that makes room for the good ones to come in. Because what I did early on where I could you can sometimes just tell when people you know are if they're not catching up with your pronouns after you know months of years of knowing you or if they're making snide comments about your outfits or whatever that might be that's when you start hitting the the sort of do not disturb button on that friendship because that then expands for for more people to come in absolutely I believe that to be true for sure it's about creating your own magnetic field and the more you are true to yourself,
Starting point is 00:40:52 the more you shine, the more ebullient you can be. Nice word. I know, I had to throw that in there because it's really the right descriptor. You know, you want to be a ball of light. Yeah, teach people how to treat you. Even I remember with my family, you know, we took a little bit of time apart
Starting point is 00:41:08 and I had to have some real tough conversations, but they got it when they realized how important these things were to me. And again, and this is repetitive, which I'm very good at, you can't rely on other people's reactions to you to fill your cup up that is not how you get your cup filled that is an inside job you have to fulfill yourself you have to fill yourself up I mean sometimes you can have somebody fill you up hopefully one day soon that will happen for you
Starting point is 00:41:34 and I love to get filled up but on this notion it is a it is a you know it's you're self-employed you have to take care of your own happiness and once you have that then nobody can take that from you no matter what their reactions to you are and no matter what their judgment is and the more comfortable you are with yourself the more comfortable people become around you what she said okay problem solved problem solved well we have another caller joining us shortly and we had a bit of a curveball this caller is lk is that l king is she calling in again from her last episode i mean i wouldn't put it past her i love l king she and i've been texting have you oh that's great Yeah, I like her attitude.
Starting point is 00:42:18 She's a country star. She's a bundle of fun. She was on the podcast last year. LK says, I'm a 37-year-old divorced. This takes a turn. So stick with me here. I'm a 37-year-old divorced lesbian living in Alabama. I've managed to meet a lovely woman by happenstance who is, in all regards, a 10.
Starting point is 00:42:34 We've become fast friends and I'm digging the friendship. But damn, am I into her. I find myself stumbling over my words and acting like a child with a crush. This is not normal territory for me. I'm usually much more confident and direct, but this woman is special. I know she had a tough breakup and maybe the last year. And I also know when we met in February, she mentioned she hasn't been interested in dating since the breakup.
Starting point is 00:42:55 What do I do? Continue building the friendship or make my intentions known? Will I ruin the friendship if I tell her my feelings and she's not feeling it? I just don't know what to do. And then so LK reached out today and said she's had a bunch of stuff kind of come up in therapy. And this is like still sort of a part of her story, but is taking a bit of a backseat. So I thought we could talk a little bit about multiple things kind of going on in our lives
Starting point is 00:43:18 at once. But LK says, I wrote in about having a crush and I looked forward to talking to you about that. However, since first writing in, I've had some major developments in therapy, one of them being a slow uncovering of childhood trauma. I've lost both my parents since 2020 and my last grandparent passed last month. I'm unsure if part of me was protecting the elders in my life, but it seems something in my brain unlocked after my grandmother passed.
Starting point is 00:43:41 how do i maintain my job myself and my sanity as i work through these muddy waters any advice would be greatly appreciated thanks lk so a lot to unpack hi hi there hi hi cutie how are you good how are you fucking lover this is dylan mulvaney our special guest today Hi, what's up? Hi, LK. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you.
Starting point is 00:44:09 Nice to meet you, too. What a beautiful big smile you have on your face. I love it. Thank you. First of all, what's going on with the girl? Are you still? Just totally took a backseat. I mean, she's a friend, and I was looking forward to talking to you about that.
Starting point is 00:44:24 I was kind of in that, like, giddy, like, you know, felt like a little kid, like, just kind of tickled. And then it was like, I'm in therapy, like working on some stuff and just like out of nowhere, therapy just like hit me like a truck and was like, no, you got more important things to think about. Okay. Well, this is all good. Okay. Because this is all good.
Starting point is 00:44:45 It's better that therapy took a front seat. That's a good sign because it is, it needs to take a front seat before any real normal, healthy relationships happen. Therapy is the, is, is what you do to have normal, healthy, happy relationships, especially actually, well, let me say this. I think that when you're with the second question you asked, which is how do you remain connected to your work and be productive and, and be engaged in all the things that life requires from you while you're going through therapy? And the answer to that is easily because you are doing the work that you that is going to make you an even more whole
Starting point is 00:45:22 person and an even more healthy person. So all of these things that you have going on while you're going to therapy actually compliment your therapy because you're doing it while you're facing all of your responsibilities and why so all of it is good you can do all of it at the same time therapy is not meant to like you're supposed to take two years off from life i mean only people can do that you know like i i did that because you know why but you know what i mean that that's not realistic. That's awesome. But yeah, not relatable, not relatable at all. But but the other the other great thing about going to therapy while you're living your life is that you can integrate your therapy and what you learn into your life in real time. Whereas I took two years off just to go to
Starting point is 00:46:11 therapy and travel. So when I was done with therapy, I'm like, how do I match all of this stuff into my life when I'm working. So you actually have an advantage that you don't even really see. Sure. Because you're going, you're going to be incorporating the things you learn as you're living your life in a real way. Sure, sure. Going to therapy weekly. Like, yeah, don't miss. Right? Well, no, don't you shouldn't. I mean, hopefully, you know, you'll go and then at a certain point, you'll be like, okay, you know, I can take a break or I'm ready for a relationship it also sounds very healthy that you recognized that this crush you had is not as important as you dealing with your childhood issues yeah that's healthy yeah because if you
Starting point is 00:46:53 were more still focused on that while you were doing this it would mean that you had your priorities a little bit out of whack yeah I was I was focused on the kind of the stuff that was coming up and I was like oh shit I was talking to Chelsea Handler about a crush I was like So I still want to talk to Chelsea, but it doesn't feel as important to talk about. I think sometimes people make up problems to call in. They're like, what color should I paint my? I'm like, what? And did you just lost some loved ones too?
Starting point is 00:47:23 Yeah, I lost my mom in 2020 and my dad in 2022. I'm so sorry for your loss. Thank you. that, you know, while you're navigating the grief and the new sort of therapy of it all, I still want you to be able to find the joy because sometimes we go zero to 100, especially in something that's so intense as mental health can be. And we go in that direction. We forget to be silly. We forget to be in love. We forget to treat ourselves to the frivolous things. so I actually am kind of pro you still you know maybe not as heavily engaging a crush but sometimes
Starting point is 00:48:01 having a crush is really fun and can kind of help you take your mind off serious things and not to disassociate and put all your eggs in that basket but I like to think of dating kind of as like an iPhone game well because so much of it is you know on swiping but you know just that thing that I'm like oh I don't have that much you know I already did my therapy for the day I've already had a good cry what can we do next let's try to fuck someone but I actually wanted to ask you I wanted to ask you about this friendship thing because I've been in that situation too where you know you're you're friends with someone and you think oh maybe this could be more but it can be a little awkward about trying to get there do you think there's are you the kind of person that would be willing to you
Starting point is 00:48:43 know say something or do you think you would need a really clear sign um I think I would need I mean And I don't have any problems being direct, but at the same time, it was the first time like in my adulthood where I got kind of like, uh, like that giddy, just like kind of stupid, you know, the best, the best feeling in the world that is, that is really, truly just like I am now. I'm just fumbling over my words. It's like, I don't know. You don't want to, you don't want to ruin the friendship.
Starting point is 00:49:11 So what do you, what do you say to somebody who like, well, what is the, what is the vibe? Break it down a little bit more specifically. What has the been, been the vibe of late? We don't live in the same town, so I haven't hung out with her in person. And so, I mean, it's a newer friend. I don't think she doesn't strike me as really interested in anything right now. Not just with me, but like in general. But I don't know if I'm reading that wrong or not.
Starting point is 00:49:36 Well, I think the important takeaway from this is you're getting yourself healthy and you're creating like a better version of you. That will be like the net result after this therapy. It's going to make you sexier. It's going to make you everything better. And you're going to and then you're going to be in a better place. And maybe she'll be in a different place. And you can pursue that down the road. But I think your focal point should just be you right now. And it sounds like you're doing that. And that's that's only good. That is only good. Nothing bad is going to come out of that. You're going to get through your therapy session. Some are going to be tricky and some are going to be less tricky. But you're going to go through the gamut of emotions. And when you come out on the other side, you're going to be a better person. You're going to be a better, fuller version of yourself. and I love that you said you're direct most people can't fucking be direct so great you have that advantage too I'm an Enneagram 8 too so
Starting point is 00:50:24 you could just go up to her and be like I like pussy do you like mine? you know it's simple when the time is right you ever said that to someone? do I like pussy? do you like pussy? do you like mine? you said it very
Starting point is 00:50:40 you said it like it wasn't the first time that's all I'm saying okay you want pussy come and get it oh fuck my mom can't listen to this one i was just thinking about my sisters i was like they're gonna be like my mom and sister anyway you're you're a love you're joyful and happy and i'm happy for you and you're gonna be fine and yeah keep doing what you're doing thanks chelsea oh We love you. Okay.
Starting point is 00:51:09 Love you. Thanks so much. Bye. Oh, cute. Her accent reminds me of Fortune Feimster. I love it. Well, let's take a quick break, and we can wrap up with a quickie. Okay.
Starting point is 00:51:22 Well, take a break, and we'll be right back to wrap up with Dylan Mulvaney. The Jonas Brothers are running it back. We live the Burning Up Tour and celebrate the biggest Jonas Brothers hits that have defined a generation. One incredible celebration. One unforgettable night. See the Jonas Brothers live at RBC Amphitheater, September 28th. Get tickets now at Ticketmaster.ca. Jonas Brothers, the Burning Up Tour, all over again.
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Starting point is 00:53:22 Every week, I'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable. I knew if he woke up, without a doubt, he was going to hurt me. I started feeling that there was someone at the end of my bed, and I just started screaming. They are abducted, stalked, controlled, and nearly silenced. But these aren't stories about what's taken from them. They're stories about what it takes to make it out alive. Listen to The Survivor Files with Elizabeth Smart on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On the new podcast, Solita, we share the messy reality of traveling alone as a woman.
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Starting point is 00:54:38 It can be a time where you push your limits, change your mind, or wake up to a new version of yourself. So whether you're a solo travel veteran or you're too nervous to book your first trip, I hope you listen to Solita on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. We are back. So one last little question to wrap up. Cara is in her 30s and she writes in and says, Dear Chelsea. A situation I've been dealing with lately is one of my best friends is single and
Starting point is 00:55:14 longing for someone special. I'm newly married, so it's difficult for me to give dating advice without sounding lame and tone deaf. I remember being the only one of my single friends before I met my now husband, surrounded by married friends constantly hearing, don't worry, you'll find someone. Honestly, it got annoying after a while and it didn't help. I do not want to come off that way to my friend and want to support her in any way while she looks for, quote the one my friend is one of the coolest people i have ever met we're both outdoorsy and she does pottery and other art and is incredibly talented most importantly she has a huge heart that i know would be appreciated by the right person she's been going on dates that seem
Starting point is 00:55:52 promising at first and then after a couple dates they end up acting weird and i think it's discouraged her quite a bit she always asks what's wrong with her when it isn't her at all it's just men being men it takes everything in me to stop myself from finding these men and beating the shit out of them for being so stupid and hurting one of the best people i know i don't want her to give up when i know she wants a partner for life and a family if any of your listeners happen to be a straight man who loves art the outdoors and who isn't an asshole then do i have the woman for you until then what advice would you give my friend if you were me cara it doesn't have to be that kind of pat that's so meaningless to be like you're gonna find your person you're gonna find
Starting point is 00:56:30 someone. There's so nothing in that. What I think is, is just to keep motivating your friend to keep trying to keep going out there to meet men that you might think are appropriate for her. Or if you do meet a guy that you're like, oh, wait, actually do it and encourage your other friends. If you have other friends in your friend group to do the same for her in supporting her to meet that guy. I know whenever my friends try to set me up, I find that I'm, I, well, actually, let me take that back some of my friends when they want to set me up my good close friends then that's okay because they know me well enough and they are close friends and you have every right just to be as encouraging and as upbeat as possible about it and I loved that she even pitched her
Starting point is 00:57:11 friends you know her friend to people she's like if anybody's looking now that's a cool friend right that's so that that right there is the energy my favorite thing when a like a friend of mine I I don't love the whole you're gonna find someone I love the how the fuck are you still single like that's fucking crazy I like when there's sort of this energy of like well that's just fucking why like because I do that a lot with my other single friends where it's like how is this possible like we're so hot and fun and so maybe kind of like leaning into that a little bit you know build her confidence up in herself in her personality and her looks and and make her feel like the fullest version of herself as a friend, rather than putting so much emphasis on the what she's going
Starting point is 00:57:55 to be like when she has a relationship. Yeah, and I'm making it dating fun and being an energetic, like, when you look at the subject matter of dating, it can be depleting. If you have that attitude, it can be exhausting, right? Or it could be fun and hopeful and happy. And I think as a friend, it's you sound like you really care about your friend. So you're the person to keep her bolstered up you know what I mean keep her going and and be energized when she's on a date and if it's disappointing okay that's okay well that's out of the way let's get to the next one the more people she says no to or that say no to her the closer she is to finding the person that she is going to want to spend more time with so I think she's very very lucky to have a friend like you
Starting point is 00:58:34 and you can just be an even better friend by helping her through this and not looking at her being single as some sort of losing a game there's benefits to being single and being in this phase looking for your love too this is an exciting part while you're looking it's like you know enjoy the journey not the result of the journey that's kind of hard to do when you don't understand or you haven't been through it and and understand oh yes it is about the way that you're getting there it's not always about the end result so or give um you know a constructive piece of advice of like how you found someone or what worked for you or you know like back in the day however long ago that was i think that can be like my my best friend lily will often you know give me like we'll
Starting point is 00:59:17 go out and you know i'll start talking someone's ear off that i think is hot and she's like pull back pull back and and like that kind of stuff i think that's fun i think that's what i'd like to hear i'm gonna i want to watch you on a date and see what happens i drive the car and it goes it gets in a wreck real fast right into a brick wall oh i do have a place though i like to go dance get Davey Wayans in Hollywood oh Davey Wayans I haven't been there in years oh I point to the hottest person in the dance floor and we just make out to Abba so you're gonna love it watch out yeah I Chelsea I love what you said about like not the person you're gonna wind up with but the person you want to spend more time with like I love looking at it that way it's just
Starting point is 00:59:54 about finding somebody you like being around and I think also like don't forget for Kara like don't forget to like go out and be girlfriends together like ditch your husband go do some fun things together. And also like, maybe read her this beautiful letter that you wrote about her and how much you love her. That will be a shot in the arm. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That wraps up our episode of Dear Chelsea. Next up is Dylan's podcast called One Hour with Dylan, An Hour with Darwin. The Dylan Hour. Darwin or Dylan? Darwin. The Dylan Hour. The Dylan Hour. Chelsea Handler will be singing on it. And I'll be there performing live music. I can't wait to ask you your favorite broadway show oh i can't wait to tell you i love you dylan mulvaney i love
Starting point is 01:00:38 chelsea we love you thank you thank you everyone do do do do do do drum roll katherine please um chelsea handler abroad abroad is my european tour so i'm coming to obviously find a husband it abroad. I need to get the help out of this fucking country. And it's not as easy as you think. So I'm coming to Reykjavik. I'm coming to Dublin. I'm coming to the UK. I'm coming to Brussels, Paris, Belfast in May and June. I'm coming to Oslo, Stockholm, Copenhagen, Manchester, London, Glasgow, New Zurich, Vienna. I've never, ever been to Vienna, Berlin, Barcelona, Lisbon. I'm coming Abroad is abroad
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