Life Will Be the Death of Me with Chelsea Handler - How to Giggle with Hannah Berner + Paige DeSorbo

Episode Date: April 17, 2025

Giggly Squad Paige DeSorbo and Hannah Berner are here to talk about losing brain cells while writing their new book, How to Giggle, Hannah’s embarrassing choice to get married, and why you should choose your own boyfriend. Then: A single girlie finds her married-with-children friends don’t have the time - or the budget - for the fabulous outings she’s planned. A stinky boyfriend is on the bubble.  And a 30-something wrestles with a toxic ex sliding into her dm’s.  * Order a signed copy of Chelsea’s new book HERE! * Need some advice from Chelsea? Email us at [e-mail] * Executive Producer Catherine Law Edited & Engineered by Brad Dickert * * * The views and opinions expressed are solely those of the Podcast author, or individuals participating in the Podcast, and do not represent the opinions of iHeartMedia or its employees.  This Podcast should not be used as medical advice, mental health advice, mental health counseling or therapy, or as imparting any health care recommendations at all.  Individuals are advised to seek independent medical, counseling advice and/or therapy from a competent health care professional with respect to any medical condition, mental health issues, health inquiry or matter, including matters discussed on this Podcast. Guests and listeners should not rely on matters discussed in the Podcast and shall not act or shall refrain from acting based on information contained in the Podcast without first seeking independent medical advice.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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welcome home pro society is a weekly podcast that's part book club part group chat for anyone who thinks pride and prejudice and love island deserve the same level of discourse each week we're connecting the dots between books the internet and pop culture with your favorite writers book talk creators and plenty of overthought opinions yeah i'm obsessed i'm us. Listen to Pro Society on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello. Hi, Catherine. Hi, Chelsea. Hi, how are you? I'm so great. I'm so great. I'm here in my last day of Whistler. I'm leaving. Doug is staying for another week because he loves it up here so much. My little lion bear. Oh, fucking love Doug. Is he coming with you or are you going back there

again? I'm going to come back and get him in a week. Yes, I'm going to come back and get him in a week. I do want to make an announcement on my European tour. We had to cancel Dublin unfortunately because something came up that I can't rearrange. So I start out in Reykjavik and all the other cities I'm still

coming to. I think that starts May 11th. So I'm not coming to Dublin, but I will be in Belfast and Paris and Brussels, Amsterdam, Oslo, Stockholm, Copenhagen, Manchester, London, Glasgow, Zurich, Vienna, Berlin, Barcelona and Lisbon and most of the shows are almost sold out

so if you haven't gotten your tickets get them now and I don't think I'll be adding second shows on this tour because my schedule is so crazy so we were talking about it but I don't think I'm going to do it for my sanity that's what you learn when you get older and then of course there's Vegas you guys

I'm going to be in Vegas next weekend April 18th and then July 5th is my next Vegas date so get your tickets for that and I have summer dates all through I mean all throughout the year I'll be in Vegas once a month awesome yeah you'll be there in the in the heat of the summer I know I know I can't believe it and I uh hope everyone is checking out my stand-up special The Feeling on Netflix thank you for all your messages about it thank you for

all your messages about my book that I still get coming in all the time I love that yeah it's all great it's all great wonderful that's great life is great I started mountain biking in Whistler because the seasons are changing. I brought my e-bike up here, so I am becoming a full-blown lesbian. Oh, our guests today are the hosts of The Giggly Squad, which is a very popular podcast, and they have a new book out called How to Giggle.

So please welcome Hannah Berner and Paige DeSorbo. Oh, hi, girls. Hi, Giggly Squad girls. Paige DeSorbo and Hannah Berner. Look who we have in studio today. Actually, we're not in studio. No one is in the same place. You two aren't even in the same place.

Have you guys thought about moving in together yet? We don't spend any time together. This is strictly business. It's a very transactional relationship? Yes. Yeah. Okay, I understand. We say that we're in a non-sexual marriage like most of America.

Yeah, most married people are not having sex. Well, Hannah's married. I find one of the most surprising things about you, Hannah, is that you're married. And I kind of object to it. No, Chelsea, it's so embarrassing. And I feel like we'd be better friends if I wasn't married. I think you would have a lot more friends if you weren't married. I feel like it's like when – I had a friend recently who got pregnant unexpectedly.

And I was like – We're so sorry. Yeah. I was like, you can't – are you going to keep it? And she's like, I've been thinking about it. I'm like, definitely don't. You know, like, look at the world. It's a disaster.

What are you going to do with that baby? And then she did decide to keep it. and you're like hey and all of the other part of this friend group we were having dinner and i was like is anyone else kind of bummed about this baby and both of the women who are mothers were like yeah we're disappointed that she's having a baby too like we're all in concert everyone is in agreement except the woman having the baby well it's true it changes friend dynamics page has this thing where she's like you can't have a baby until i have a baby yeah that's where i'm drawing the line yeah but she's newly single so i'm like okay well like my husband's old so he's running

out of time yeah your husband is just like this like ghost-like figure where is this person i actually wanted him to say hi but then i shoot him out yeah i don't ever see him i don't ever want to see him it's better when hannah got married she literally didn't post a single picture of her husband it was just pictures of hannah in her wedding dress but you know what Chelsea, we did reality TV for a second and he was on it for like a second. And it's one of the biggest mistakes I've ever made in my life. And I just don't want to subject anyone I love to my shit. Do you know what I mean?

That's nice. And I don't want to be subjected to him either, quite frankly. You know what I mean? I want more of you and less of him. There's a comic, Erica Rhodes, she just posted something like, you know your friend's in a good relationship when you barely know her husband's name. You know your friend who's always talking about the guy. you're like, I think you're going to murder him at this point.

No, I've met Des four times. It's also good to be low-key married because you're not really dealing with that aspect of things on top of your career. You're not also going out with like, you know, having like turbulent relationships, which is what would be happening anyway, you know, ups and downs. That's the one pro.

So that's a good thing about being married is you don't have to date. It's less bad than having a kid. Literally, Chelsea, I don't have to worry about the dating apps and what do I text this guy, emoji or no emoji, because you know I was in the weeds with that back in the day. I know. I'm sure you were. You guys, I read your book. I read your book.

Girls have a new book. First of all, you know them from The Giggly Squad. They have a new book called How to Giggle, which is them talking about their high levels of stupidity also in concert with all of the things that have made them successful thus far which is like one chapter is called How to Be Delulu

which is short for what generation are you guys? You guys are Gen Z? No, we're Millennials. You're Millennials, okay. We're hardcore Millennials. You guys I don't know what generation is what I don't know what generation I am either.

Millennials like a slur now. I know, I know. It's not a compliment. That's why I was trying to avoid saying it. But Delulu for all of those who don't know what that means is delusional, but I love that chapter because it is really fucking true. So Paige, why don't you, you tell me about your delusion and how it got you to be successful. No, I really think that I, I'm drinking a Coors Light by the way. Sorry. As you should, as you should. I think that when I like started on social media, I wasn't nervous

to start because I truly was delusional like I was too dumb right to think of like people judging me it never crossed my mind yes so like when Instagram came out and it was like you have to have a following to get anywhere in life I was like oh well I have to try and get a following so when I would put like Instagram videos out I wouldn't even think of haters like it wasn't even on my mind at that time because I was just delusional like I didn't think anyone would dislike me until I went on reality TV. And then I was like, oh, okay, I get it. Yeah, you can be disliked on a nice big level.

So you two met on Summer House. We met like the year prior, but like very briefly. But yeah, then we re-met on Summer House and became best friends. We were the two new girls. So like you walk into an already established like friend group and we were so scared. And like, we've never shot reality TV before.

So we had this kind of trauma bond. But, you know, when you look at another girl and you make eye contact and you're like, oh, she's on the same page as me. Like, this is fucking crazy. And so it really was a trauma bond that I think makes people closest. Yeah. I mean, reality TV is pretty traumatizing for all of the people who are subjected for the people who are on it. And then for the people who view it, it's trauma all the way around. Yeah.

It's a full circle moment. My favorite thing is when I meet people who like watch whatever show we were on and they're like, you guys just like make me feel so good about my life. Paige and I, we were reality TV fans. Like, again, like I would watch Vanderpump Rules when I had a bad day and I was like, OK, at least like my best friend didn't punch me in the face for sleeping with Jax. Like that was how I went to bed at night. Yeah, I want to circle back to the delusion part because you talk about it too, Hannah, in the chapter. They each speak on everything in both chapters.

God, fuck. This Coors Light is really hitting me. I was going to say, the book has made you dumber. She's like, you guys didn't form one full sentence in that book. No, but I love this idea, and I think more people should subscribe to him. You know, regardless of what medium you work in, Like, it is really good just to be, have your dreams at the front and center of your mind

and really believe in yourself and have blind faith in yourself. Because if you don't believe in yourself, there's not going to be anybody else who believes in yourself. And that works. It's like, you know, it's like faking it until you're making it. But it really, that also works, I believe, you know? We've always been obsessed with seeing, like, how people make it. And I realized, like, the first step is that person alone somewhere has to decide that

they can do it. if you don't at least decide you want to do it you can never make it and it's been fascinating to see like the delusion is like the fun part but it's really just being brave and it's just saying if you want to do something like say it out loud and go for it because so many people will sit back and complain why something didn't happen to them and it's like but you didn't even try yeah and I think like I I think Hannah is very much like that's the other part of our book like we are best friends I wouldn't do half the things I do if I didn't have Hannah like I would never go and do like a live tour like I don't know how you guys do stand up like on by yourself on the stage

like that makes me so anxious and so like when we do our like live shows I would not be able to do it without her like knowing she's on the stage with me yeah you talk about having a panic attack before one of the shows right so when you guys go on stage you're not Paige you're not doing stand up right you guys are just doing your podcast or no it's like a I mean we're doing the same show at every show but it's it's ad lib of us in our podcast format but it's like segments like we do a powerpoint because powerpoints are hilarious it's oh my god what a fucking nightmare to create a powerpoint that's like my worst nightmare is to be in an office and have someone tell me that I have to start that i have to create a powerpoint chelsea we have a gen z doing child labor who made

the powerpoint for us we didn't make the powerpoint but it's so funny to just press the next slide and there's like a funny photo it's really good comedy really high level um but no with page she's hysterical and i think i saw that in her but she jokes she's like i would never do stand-up because i don't want to stand for an hour which is just that's why we're best friends because we're different in those ways um when when what was i gonna say every brain cell has been burnt i'm fighting for my life here but chelsea even like what you've done and with stand-up like there wasn't women in late night talk shows everywhere to to see like you had to first consciously decide that can be me and and you didn't no one like forced you into it it was

you and then even women doing stand-up like us taking up space is us having to be brave and not caring what people think yeah absolutely you kind of you do I mean it's it's a hard it's hard to navigate because people assume that oh if you are acting in a brave way you don't give a shit what anyone thinks that's not true of course you care what people think we're all human we're all human beings yeah we all get our feelings hurt we feel like we're not good enough at certain points in our lives I was telling Paige Hannah before while you were trying to figure out how to work a microphone i was telling page how much i liked the pictures of her in the book as a young girl because she looks like a young woman at like six years old she looks like a little like a woman

like her her features are already womanly but she's an ai baby an ai baby i i love ai when they do i i follow this site called tiny gentle asians they have really cute little asian babies but But sometimes they, because of that algorithm, because I look at that site, I get all these other little Asian babies sent to me. But some of them are AI where they have long hair and makeup and they have like a briefcase. And you're like, where are they going to, you know, like woman, like little women. Yeah, they're going to work. I love how Chelsea's like, I don't want babies, but I do want little AI babies. I love looking at babies.

Oh, God, I love them. Especially real big ones. You know, like when they're oversized. Chunky, yeah. Yeah, chunky. Oversized. I just don't understand why anybody ever has a thin baby. The whole point is to have meat.

You know what I mean? You need the meat to grow. Rolls, rolls. And you want to be snuggly. Like, who wants to snuggle with a little skinny baby? Nobody. And if I have to carry it around, I want to get a workout in, too. Yeah, yeah.

You know? Like, I'm not just... And also hide food in it, you know, in its little rolls or whatever. Use it for storage. I want it to jiggle when it laughs. But Paige was a limited, she was a limited two model. Like she was the girl in the magazine. Your baby, well, your baby was a limited edition baby.

No, I was like the Fabio of teen novels. Like when I was 12 to 14, I was on every teen novel cover. Never read one of them. No. Oh, really? Really? Yeah. Oh, interesting.

So you were, oh, that's so funny. How many teen novels can they put you on? Oh my God, I was on like 15 of them. As different characters or is the same? Yeah. That's really stupid. But like you look the same in all of them. I'm glad you made money doing that.

Let's talk about de-centering men because there's a lot of people listening that have issues or are thinking about ways in which we can handle men. And now we're living in a time where women, I think in general, are pretty sick of men. Yeah. It's pretty much out. Like the cat's out of the bag that, you know, you've really got to step it up to be respected. And there are great men out there that do step it up and do, like, stand with women. But there's a lot of things that overshadow that.

Yeah. So we're having a loser epidemic, for sure. Yeah. What do you think that's about? I don't know. I saw there was, like, a study or something, like, the rate of how many more women are graduating college and own houses and how, like, it's society. She saw a TikTok.

She watched a TikTok. Yeah. Right. Of course. I can read between the lines. society hasn't caught up that like men need women more for marriage because like we don't need them anymore for financial support and so I just think it's so funny that like the world hasn't won't admit that but like we make their lives so much better you know well also it's just because we

don't need we don't need them for those things anymore we don't need them to buy the house anymore and we don't not we don't need their financial input so it kind of leaves men with like okay now you have to actually show us what other valuable things you can contribute because that's not a necessity and they're like wait what like what else do i have you know you have to be charming you have to be kind you have to be charismatic you have to be actually all the good things that are more important than you know finances although you do have to have some money you can't just fucking be broke it's like come on i mean you have to have your shit together a hundred percent we're a big proponent of like being single is so much better than being in a

relationship that isn't the right fit where i think there was a time where it was like just being in a relationship and being picked or chosen by a man meant you were successful and then we realized like oh no that could actually be so much worse for your mental health and we page and i are both guilty of being boy crazy and i used to make so many decisions based on well is he gonna be there is he gonna like this and I was so good at morphing into like the perfect girl I thought a guy could be like we should get Oscars with some of the performances I had in my 20s and then once I realized if you get the guy and you're not being your authentic self you become a shell yeah yeah I once pretend to be into the Grateful Dead I was dating this guy named Brett and he was a dead he

loved the dead and he was from Jersey he was and I I just pretended that I was a deadhead like I was like oh god I fucking love them I've been to like 40 shows I've just made up cities that I had seen them in so ridiculous first of all I was lying to him about my age too I think I was 17 at the time and because he was a 20 he was like 28 so I lied and said I was 21 and I there's I hadn't even been to half of the places that I you know pretended I had been and then when we got there I was like oh my god like I tried to listen to one of their albums before the concert like I was gonna pick up all of first of all there's like no fucking lyrics to their song either it's just fucked up at these shows you know it's like oh scott i was doing a lot of crowd work about like what's

something you pretended to like for a man a man and the comments were so funny like girls would yell anal and his parents every harry potter it was everything and look i appreciate a man with a hobby I do like them being busy and I do like you learning from a man but just making sure that you're not he's he's attracted to you for who you are and for who he is yeah right and also finding out if we like them like yes it's not an audition you're auditioning for me I am not auditioning for you I had this friend who set me up recently with a guy and I wasn't into him and she's like oh god I go thanks for setting me up but that's not gonna work you know there was a couple things that i just was were boner killers immediately which is almost anything with me these

days and and she was like god i find him so hot i'm like well that's the problem then you fucking go out with him what do you mean you find him so hot so you wanted to vicariously fuck him through me what are you doing then you date him i do live vicariously through page though because now she's single and i'm like what are we doing and she's like i know how's single life going how's single life going page honestly I haven't really like I haven't felt like I've gotten to enjoy it because I've been doing so much and I and that's actually probably the best part about being single being home by myself on a Saturday night I fucking love it like there's I've never gotten bored by myself yeah I'm with you on that I'm with you on being alone when I'm in Whistler I like to get into

about it around 730. Yeah. And like being being in my 30s and being single, it's so I was really nervous. I was like, because I mean, when I was 25, I was like, Oh, I'll obviously be married by my early 30s. And now that I'm 32, and I'm single, I'm like, I couldn't imagine I would not. I don't think I would like it. I'm not ready. I already know I'm not ready. Yeah, well, that's great that you know that so talk about de-centering men though you guys never answered that question oh yeah stay focused okay i just want to ask chelsea questions about her life um no de-centering men is is so so important we have a whole part of the book where it's like list all these things that don't involve a dude it's kind of like the bechdel test where like being conscious that

you're not making all your decisions based on if a guy likes you and page you remember your therapist what she said to you about like how you sometimes wait for men to choose you yeah I had a therapist one time tell me that like I've never picked my own boyfriend and it just kind of like hit me and I mean she was exactly right and I was like I couldn't ever get over that yeah I've never gotten over it I'm like oh my god I haven't picked a single one of them they've all picked me and I've just like gone along with it and when I was first going on a reality show I was dating a guy and he said to me if you go on this reality show I'll never speak to you again and in my head I was like easy done like I'm going on this show and that man truly did never speak to me again but

like if I had made a decision based on my career because he didn't want me to like I don't know where I would be so I feel like that too is like a part of de-centering men like you can't make decisions based on what they're telling you or what they want because again they're losers and you know we are that i feel like that last generation that had the disney movies of like the prince is going to save you and i feel like it's important to have that relationship where you find the guy who on paper is everything you want like he's tall he's charming he's successful but he's not right for you and like to me that was signing a deal with the devil like i don't know if you guys have ever been in that situation where you got the guy and then you realize like

oh no i've i've done this all wrong so to any girl listening thinking that a certain guy who you're making up in your head because we get very creative when you're filling in the blanks is going to make you happy it really isn't happiness is when you know yourself and you're comfortable in your own skin and the guy who's with you just like amplifies it and elevates you honestly if he's not bringing value to the relationship we don't have time yeah I think that it's interesting what we are willing to kind of like give away of ourselves as women for not just men for lots of things like you're willing even when you meet a new friend sometimes you'll pretend you're interested in things i have a friend who is different depending on who she's

hanging out with yeah i mean i she's not a close friend obviously because i fucking hate that shit oh you hate children i hate children like yeah you know somebody who changes their temperature based on who they're speaking to and i think women could do that a lot because we just always are trying to please people but it is very empowering to finally sit step back as a woman at whatever age you are and realize, oh, actually, I'm the one, like, I have to choose. I'm choosing to be your friend. I'm choosing to be going on a date with you

and being the one that is behind those choices. Yeah, people around you, I'm just saying therapy speak now, but Paige and I have been deep in therapy. Do you guys go to therapy together? Because you should. We haven't, but I heard a lot of podcast duos do. Paige and I weirdly don't fight about anything. That's nice.

that's not weird at all by the way we fought about one thing and I haven't really let it go Hannah's husband we hosted yeah that was fucked up that day we hosted the Vanity Fair Oscar

red carpet and I had a dress on that had a slit on my right side which you should have thought about and so like I really needed to stand on a certain side but it's Hannah's bad side and Paige doesn't have a bad side and she wouldn't let me stand on that side

and I death stared her the entire time which is your good side Hannah my left side is my good side the other side is like monster report me yeah yeah Paige you don't seem like

you have a bad side so that's why I was like I don't care that you have a slit in your little princess dress bitch get to your side I don't want to get fired from this gig. She looked at me like she was my child and like I was sending her off to summer camp for seven months. Like she looked at me and she was like, I'll literally die if you make me stand on this side. We're very like low priority friends.

Like, you know, those friends where they're always looking for a problem. Like, you know, you can't make dinner and they're like, you always do. Like they make things into bigger things. We're low maintenance friends. We're very low maintenance friends. Yeah. Yeah, it's really hard to have high-maintenance friends in this climate. In this political climate.

In this political climate, it's hard to stay in touch with anybody. It really is. We're fighting for our fucking lives right now. Save yourself. You girls talk a lot. We are. We are fighting for our lives. You girls talk a lot about we're about to just be disenfranchised from voting completely,

especially married people. So there you go, Hannah. Again, another winner, winner, winner. you guys talk a lot about being nervous like and you do so much I mean your social anxiety you talk a lot about and you talk about talking about that a lot but you're both public doing public facing things so when you have that how does that work how do you manage your social anxiety if you are a beta blocker yeah a propranolol yeah yeah I gave I gave one to my friend the other morning when she woke up she had done mushrooms the night before and she was all

anxious the next day and you know sometimes the mushrooms hit weird or you guys don't do enough drugs. I feel like your generation doesn't do enough drugs. We're millennials. We've done drugs but Gen Z, they don't. Yeah, that's the generation. They don't do drugs. Even their teen pregnancy rate is even down.

They're not even fucking in their parents' basement. They're not even sneaking out. They're not even getting fingered on the side of their leg. They're using Therapy Speak. How do you get fingered on the side of your leg? When you're like 14 and he has no idea what he's doing

and you're like that feels so good and then you tell your friends you're like we're like we had the best time that was my thigh um okay we're gonna we're gonna take a break and we'll be right back with um hannah and page if you'd like advice from chelsea write into us at dear chelsea podcast at gmail.com we'd love to hear your questions for any juicy story you'd like advice on and this week we're especially looking for questions about dating if you are dating if you're single if you have issues with someone that you just met if you have issues with someone that you've been dating for a while please write in at dear chelsea podcast at gmail.com there's no shortcut for saving time but saving money is simple just combine your car and home insurance with bel-air direct and

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We're talking about their new book, How to Giggle. Catherine, we're going to take some callers, and I'm sure you guys can give your sagacious advice. All right. Well, our first question is just an email. She's not joining us, but it comes from Carrie. She says, Dear Chelsea, I'm writing to ask an etiquette question regarding my nephew's wedding. The wedding invitations arrived and my grown daughter, 27 years old, was invited. However,

her partner, with whom she shares a home and a child, was not included. The two-year-old was not on the invitation either, which I understand it'll be an adults-only event, but I'm confused why her partner is not included as they've been together for five years. I can only assume it's because they're not married. Should I say something or just let it be? I do not think my daughter will attend without her person thank you carrie that's weird i thought the rule was over 18 you get a plus one well not everybody invites you with a plus one because but if you know somebody has a partner they should be invited yeah and they have a fucking baby together that is weird i would say something i would say something but i say something

about everything so yeah what do you girls think i would say something it's worth it would throw it out there was this the mom by the way this is the mom yes the daughter this is the mom get your mom to call her yeah get your mom to deal with that exactly for sure but also lose the baby don't include the baby in that invitation nobody wants them there so that baby I do think moms sometimes want to like make it more drama than it actually is like it might actually have just been an oversight maybe someone was helping with the invitations and left off you know so I mean act like oh maybe this was just an oversight like they forgot to put a name on yeah yeah yeah but definitely bring it up yeah all the wedding stuff weddings have become like I hate to use this word

but choogy like it almost feels like weddings have become like handmaid's tale-y to me I don't know they have a certain like eeriness to them the dad walking you down the aisle and then you're wearing white I'm like yeah he's like it's all very outdated in my opinion weddings it's like let's update this exactly exactly i felt awkward during mine but it was fun okay you keep telling yourself that hannah it was like the night i decided to try whiskey sours for the first time and i was like i love love these oh my god i did that at my sister's wedding i was like 16 years old i went up to the bartender we were on martha's vineyard and i was like what is a drink that is gonna fucking get me

fucked up i was 16 in my laura ashley bridesmaid dress and he's like long island iced tea i had seven my father carried me up to my sister's honeymoon suite and put me in bed at like 7 30 at night and said don't come down to the wedding again that was i'm obsessed with that that's what i fell in love with alcohol i was like i could use this to avoid weddings that for sure and you get carried that's amazing I want to get carried everywhere we actually at my wedding we planned for Paige to catch the bouquet so we like fully cheated like fully like quarterback like I called the shots but it's now really just because I didn't want anyone else to catch it not because I wanted to get married next I was just like no one's catching my best friend's bouquet right well

now this video is going viral of the bouquet being thrown and all these girls running away from it Like, that's the theme now. Like, I don't want to get married next. Oh, that's cute. I like that. Yeah. Yeah. Who, yeah, trying not to get hit with the bouquet is the new game.

There you go. You just try to peg your friends like dodgeball. Yes, exactly. Like, tag, you're it. That's actually, that's an ominous, yeah, it's an ominous warning. Yes, yes. Well, our next caller is Nora, and she had a toxic ex reach back out to her. So she says, Dear Chelsea, I had one of the most heartbreaking breakups last summer.

a couple days before my birthday. It all started with me going out sailing with my boyfriend, having a great time, about to say I love you to him for the first time when he stopped me mid-sentence and said, don't say it. And then long story short, she got wasted and got him banned from like his yacht club. He then proceeded to ghost me for two days

and blow off the dinner I had planned with him and a friend. After my friend left, he broke up with me via text. We continued to talk here and there the following month. He'd say how he missed our sushi nights together. Then one morning he texted me saying we needed to cut ties because I drunk texted him the night before. Not more than 10 minutes later, he posted a picture on Instagram of his new girlfriend saying how he knew right away he found someone special. It felt like a slap in the face because he claimed he didn't want me to post us together because I haven't met his 11-year-old daughter yet. This was a lie since he posted the new girlfriend a week after meeting and also met his daughter the first week.

Meanwhile, we dated for over six months and he never introduced me to her. I never felt so hurt or disrespected I was planning to let the air out of his tires but saw his new girlfriend's car in the driveway and not his I got mad and pushed over all his lawn furniture and went home I also signed him up for every cult and weird religion

out there when I was high with my friend one night we blocked each other since but recently he's reached out via Instagram to ask how I was doing and say that he was sorry for the way things ended I told him I'm not ready to be friends or talk to him I ended up blocking him because I didn't trust myself

However, hearing from him has brought back all the feelings I felt for him before the breakup, as well as sadness and anger I felt after the breakup. I feel like sometimes I like the drama, and secretly, I would love if he wanted to get back with me, even though I know deep down I shouldn't. Any advice on how to move forward and not let this affect my dating life? Nora. I love your voice. I could listen to you read stories, I feel like, all day. Oh, thanks, Paige. Hi, Nora.

How are you? Hi. How are you? Oh, she's here. That's mine. Oh, my gosh. Surprise. Yes. This is Nora. Tipsy doodles. My God. Hello. Nora, say hello to Paige and Hannah.

I love you guys. I listen to Giggly Squad literally every week and my friends are going to freak out. I like I'm so glad you guys are the guests because I'm literally obsessed with you guys. Thank you so much. I thought you were a producer. I was like, oh, she's coming to fire us. We thought you were on the Zoom to fire us. And Chelsea was just surprising us. She's an interventionist. we're intervening but this is about your marriage hannah she's actually this isn't a podcast page tell her what we're doing yeah no it's like i'm does a secret family you need to fucking wake up nora first of all okay you do not you cannot be attracted to men who treat you badly this is a

condition and if you don't learn it now you're going to continue to learn this over and over and over again you he is not worthy of you no man who treats you that way is worthy of you and regardless of what happened and like posting on instagram all of that is garbage it's all nonsense you know he's completely full of shit completely full of shit and just did that to like actively torture you like posting it 10 minutes after you spoke is somebody who's actively trying to hurt your feelings and you're saying that you like that the girl who's dating was like okay we need to you need to post something because like we need like she was feeling insecure that I was still talking to him but I'm like all you need to do is just text me and say hey I'm seeing

someone and like we can't talk anymore instead of just post on Instagram which he knew is what I wanted for the six months this is all like I want to take everything he said to you everything he said to you all of your communication put it in a big plastic garbage bag over your head and throw it out the fucking window because none of the details matter nothing you said to him and he said to you you're like you're focusing on the minutiae of it and it's like what did you say and what did he say it doesn't matter he's a piece of garbage he doesn't respect you and he's not careful about your feelings so that's all you've got all that information and that's all you need to know to stay away from men like that because otherwise you keep repeating this nonsense you

know what i mean and as a woman i can tell you it's true you repeat these cycles until you break them. So don't you want to break the cycle and only date men that are going to treat you with respect? Yes. And I have had long-term relationships where I've had boyfriends that treated me with respect. And I mean, sometimes it's just not the right place or they're a little bit boring. I guess I do like the drama a little bit. We understand playing games. Paige and I love games and we love getting obsessed with the guy who never lets you fully have him. But as someone who's very competitive the way you really win is not getting him the way you win is him never having access to you ever again and going and crushing it that's you want him to look at his

phone and be like i fucked up with her and she's so happy without me that's the win hannah like if i i also love a little bit of toxic like i get the fun of like back and forth and back and forth and i get like that can be exciting until it gets to a point where it's just too much and i used to do this thing where I would like block them and be like okay they'll never see me again and then Hannah was like why would you block them let them see how much better you are than them and then I started like posting for revenge and then I would like want to accomplish things in my career truly out of revenge and then I would do it and I'd be like oh I actually started this because I wanted to get back at some guy but now I really am gonna go on Jimmy Fallon you know

And now he has no access to you. He can't even be in the same room as you. Like, that's winning. Him choosing you and then fucking it up later is just a waste of your time. Yeah. And I went to Japan and, like, he was supposed to come. And, like, he got to steal the photos he missed out on. I went for two weeks.

I went on, like, a solo trip to Puerto Rico. And that's when he saw it and was like, oh, fuck. Like, she's having an amazing time. Like, I miss her. And I'm like, yeah, I know. You can't meet a new guy unless you also, like, close it with him. I'm about that with careers, too. Like, you have to really close the door for other doors to open.

And I think you should torture him by never talking to him again. But just posting, like, my travel. Yeah. Yeah. But just also as, like, an ethos to yourself. You have to, like, make a promise to yourself that you're not going to be—that's beneath your set of standards. Like, you want your standards here, and people need to meet them, especially if you're going to be dating them. and that's just the way it has to be yeah don't engage and it did take six months to like really

like work on myself and like not date anyone and like I got a new therapist and everything so I feel like I really learned how to be on my own without dating because I was always dating someone or having questions someone because it's fun but I was like well I need to learn to just like be okay with my career my friends and like by myself and that's the hardest part it's always a learning process yeah but then you're going to realize like oh oh that that actually brings you so much more and long term like your career and your friendships are going to be there for you you know so throughout all these guys however many men you end up dating in your life and there will be you know multiple people hopefully you're not you know like that's that's a nice thing to have

variety and have different experiences but yeah I would say put all your energy into your work and into your friendships and into your family and that's where you're going to get the light back not from and I feel like as much fun as it is to like have that toxic relationship sometimes it's so much more fun when someone's obsessed with you like I really do believe that the guy has to like the girl more and I love that you know I love when they're also there's nothing hotter than a guy who's like playing games with you and you don't actually know what he's like like you're making up in your head how great this guy is that girl's bored with him yeah like anytime i see an ex with a new girlfriend i'm like oh i feel so bad for her she's like a

week away from realizing this guy fucking sucks yeah well um he broke up with her after two months because he's like oh yeah i was wrong leave him out to dry yeah leave him to dry sorry i'm yelling chelsea no it's okay i'm like what happened to the girl he's listening he's like oh no like it it like it didn't work out I was wrong she's actually like stop talking to him just stop talking to him how tall is he I need to know I literally

need to know that's the only reason you're giving this if he was 5'6 would you even be responding no no and he's going to bed too which is also you know I know it's not the same

let's fast forward to if it actually did work out and you're in the kitchen with him one day and he's annoying you and you hate how he breathes and you remember how he didn't even choose you the first time around, you'll hit him

with a kitchen knife, you know? Yeah. Like, this is not good. Hannah, what's up with the pen in your hand? Are you journaling? Yes, I'm taking notes.

She's taking air notes. You always tell people to write stuff down, Chelsea. Those are hearts. She's doing that. I was getting, I was going to take notes, but it turned into hearts

and doodles. What were you going to take notes on? She doesn't know what she's talking about. Honestly. It's so ridiculous. It makes me look official.

Nora, thanks for calling in. You need to get your shit together, okay? Like, no more of this bullshit, okay? Okay, just my love life. Everything else is good. Yeah, everything else is good, but, like, don't obsess over this guy. I know that it's easier said than done,

but you just hurt us. Like, that's a waste of your time. You're better than that. Okay, bye. Okay. Okay, bye. Bye, Nora. We love you.

Bye, love you too. Wait, Chelsea, look at my sweat. No, that's insane. This is how worked up I am. This is what men do to me I got pissed at that last call Hannah looks like both of her underarms Water just broke

She's sweating She has diarrhea out from under her arms Oh my god Okay it's actually a disease Chelsea So you should be more sensitive Hyperhidrosis Anyway Who's next

Our next caller is Joelle Dear Chelsea I'm a 37 year old single woman Looking for some advice on how to embrace and fully enjoy my single life. For most of my life, I yearn to be in a relationship, but thanks to therapy and your insightful podcast, I've come to realize that being single

can bring me immense joy. Recently, I've found happiness in simply enjoying life, pursuing hobbies, traveling solo, making the most out of every moment. I have a successful career, own my home, and I'm surrounded by an amazing group of friends. My life feels absolutely perfect. So what's the problem?

While I genuinely love my independence, I often find myself wanting to share the experiences with someone, Whether it's going on trips, going out dancing, or having nice dinners, I've noticed that most of my friends are in relationships, married, or have children. This has made organizing activities a bit tricky. They either have family commitments or financial responsibilities that make it difficult to join in, and while I'm not mad or jealous, I do miss having more spontaneous social opportunities. As I grow older, I find that fewer friends are available for a casual Friday night out. I also want to mention that I don't want children, and while I'd be happy to get married,

I've stopped trying to date because it just became too hard. So I'm focusing on living my life to the fullest as a single woman. So I'm reaching out for advice. Should I accept that as the only single gal in my circle, I might have to do most activities alone from now on, or should I make an effort to find new friends who are more in the same lane as I am right now, Joelle? Hi, Joelle. Hi.

Hi. Hi, this is Paige and Hannah, our special guests today. Hi, Joelle. I love you. Hi, guys. This is so great. You guys, I feel like you're perfect to give me advice. Yeah, seriously. I feel like we need to start a forum. I mean, there must be some forums out there for people who don't have children who need to band together, right? There should be some sort of where you can meet people in your community who also have these same ideas about life. Because

you do, first of all, you have to branch out and you have to make some new friends, not replace your friends. Of course, you know, they can be your friends and you want to maintain friendships with all the people that you know are important to you but yeah there's plenty of people out there that are doing exactly what you're doing that don't that aren't into that lifestyle but how do you go about where do you live I'm in Toronto okay well that's great well that's a big city so that's gonna be that's not that that's not that I think you just have to like get outside of your comfort zone and like do some things that you wouldn't normally do just to start taking exercise classes like going to some sort of art event or going to like any any sort of like group hiking

activity like doing things where you're just going to meet people you know what I mean that you wouldn't normally meet in whatever you're doing thus far like what's your social situation like like where do you what do you like to do no I do I like I obviously like exercising and I I love like going to concert and things I guess like it's just that like I'm 38 so it's just at the point of like okay i guess my friends have kids and they're like in the younger age so i know that like oh you also get easier for them to like want to hang out but this is like the age where like they need a babysitter and stuff so i'm just like okay do i wait it out or do i just like exactly like you said like try to find new friends which like i hate meeting people but so i guess i need to

branch out and try and meet people and just get new friends to kind of do the activities i want to do i think you wait for your friends to get divorced they will soon give it a couple years sleep with one of their husbands get her back that's a nice idea that's a great idea you guys have you done that? have you thought about doing that Joelle?

I haven't but you know what I'll think about it I'll think about it I do think making friends as an adult Joelle is so hard and weird but what Chelsea's saying is I feel like there's so many people just like you there needs to be an app or something made Paige literally sent me a meme today

talking about how these later in life friends you make could be so special because they're like meeting you when you're fully evolved. And what it sounds like, I'm hearing two things. One, that you love being single and you love being alone, but you also yearn for a little bit of friendship or possible relationships. So you got to get out of the nest a little.

That's the first step, even though it is uncomfortable, but I think the rewards will be big. Yeah. Are you on like dating apps or how are you meeting people? I am not on dating apps. They're just the word. I know, I know, but it's, yeah, I know, I know. But we're talking about friends and she, you know,

she's saying that she's not, that the dating thing isn't the priority for her, I think. Right, Joelle? It's friends. No, exactly. Like, if I meet someone, that's great. But like right now I'm just like, I'm good being single. I just want to live my life and just not have like any boy drama for now.

Yeah, I respect that. And that's fine. Like you can take a cooking class, you know, you can like kind of just like bounce around to do different things that may seem like corny or whatever, or like out, you know, that you wouldn't normally do. or even if it feels like it's a couple's thing.

Like, you go, like, sign up for some hiking class or some, like, short, you know, five-mile, like, running group. Chelsea wants you to hike so bad. I don't know why I keep saying hiking. Whenever I think about things, group activities, I think of hikers. Wait, actually, one of my friends randomly joined, like, took a ballet class.

Hikers Anonymous? Like, just, like, wanted to take ballet and just, like, see what it was like. And she was obsessed with it. And she met, like, this whole group of girls that like can't do ballet and now they hang out like outside of ballet instead.

There's something about getting older where you get connected to your inner child again where you're like, wait, what did I love to do or what do I want to do? And Paige and I are starting this new thing called Hobbies.

We never did it before. It's very difficult, but trying like what Chelsea was saying, random things that you think you might like, it's so easy to make friends while you're like doing pottery. You're like, I like your pot. And she's like, I like your pot.

And you have a commonality instead of like creepily. you smoke pot but you don't have to like creepily go up to someone like at a bar and be like do you want to be my friend yeah right right but also just like expand your surround you know like broaden your horizons like do you just get out and do some things that you haven't done in a while and with the vibe that you're down and ready to make some new friends and you're going to attract people just by having that kind of energy very positive upbeat optimistic just like looking for new connections. I've made tons of friends. I just turned 50. And when I was 40, I made a whole

new group of friends when I moved to Whistler, when I bought a place in Whistler. I have like 10 super close girlfriends that live here now, in addition to my regular Rotary. So you're never going to stop making friends. And while it might be like an awkward attempt in the beginning, it's a good practice to keep going. Then you start traveling with people. You meet people when you're away. There's no shortage of opportunities to meet other people. It's really in the vibe that you're putting out that's true and actually like second part to that like and I feel like you guys probably like I don't know if you have that issue but like on the money aspect when you're making those friends like sometimes that is hard to be like hey like I

kind of like nice things and want to go to nice dinners but then other people are kind of like oh I don't have the disposable income like you guys have like this issue of just like hey like you're obviously in a like bracket where you can like just afford anything that you want but then do you have friends that are like not in the same bracket and like how do you manage that well it's such a good question it is a great question it's i mean you know in my situation i just pay for everyone all the time but i know that's not reasonable because i don't want to fucking hear about splitting checks i don't ever want to hear about that it's like just i would pay extra money to not hear that conversation but i understand that's not a reality for everyone

i would just be sensitive to other people's financial situations and be like yes if you don't have to cut someone off because they can't afford to go to nobu with you but you can just be mindful and go to somewhere go somewhere with them that is a little bit less expensive and save nobu for your friends who are in the same kind of income bracket yeah and there's also nothing wrong with you going to do nobu by yourself you know what I mean and having a nice I've done that plenty of times and I love that so just really be mindful I would say of the energy that you're putting out to attract like there's a magnetism that we all have when we're in like a happy good curious place and that's where you want to be when you're meeting people

and you know you could take a dance class you could do any of that any of those things you could go play pickleball people love pickleball i i know i know i feel that way about pickleball too hannah likes pickleball no hannah hates pickleball i know i'm kidding i know she hates it because she's a proper tennis player yeah so are you chelsea but i do like having specific friends for things like you love sushi you have your girl you always hit up when you want to go to sushi or you have your like girl who likes to do yoga with you or something so that's okay too i think to have those people that you pick for different events right well we're just focusing on getting her some new friends okay so not right now she doesn't have 50 to choose from we want to make

her go out and get these friends and then yes and then you can pick ones for specific activities chelsea how do you approach people if you want to be their friend what do you do that's if i want to be someone's friend yeah i'm full i'm full right now i don't have room do you i'll give you some of my friends joelle do you want that there's the rich ones though joelle is like i want some sugar daddies sugar mama sugar mamas sometimes when i meet someone and i don't have time for them like the bandwidth i give them to my sister i'm like i have a new friend that wants a lot for me Do you want her? My sister's like, I like her.

I'll take her. Once I did invite a bunch of people to a dinner, including Paige, and then I didn't show up. So Paige had to hang out with them. Oh, I love that. I love that. That was the craziest move I've ever seen her pull. I got a cough. Had it all arranged.

And Joelle, in the meantime, with your existing friends that you have, you know, be flexible about spending time with them when they can, you know, so that you're not missing them too. And I understand when people have little children, it's really difficult to make those kinds of arrangements and it is kind of taxing. So, but, you know, don't count them out. You know, you can go and hang out over there. I know you don't want to hang out with the kids all the time, but like, you know, just be a little bit bendable so that it works both ways. Yeah, no, for sure.

That's definitely something I can do. Yeah. Okay. So what's, what are you going to do now? What's, what's your plan? Well, I guess I'm going to go find new friends. Um, I won't do, I won't do ballet, but I do, I do started playing tennis. So I think that's great.

Oh, that's perfect. that's so fun a doubles league you meet so many people right you could join a tennis club that's such a fun backdrop it's like white lotus yeah okay well but yeah no exactly yeah it's just like I guess it's just getting out of my comfort zone and like it was like maybe like oh do I wait it out a couple years and you know when my friends get available but yeah no as you mentioned and I also read your book and I love that part in Whistler when you made all the new friends like you're skiing friends so I was like yeah maybe I'm just in the part of my life where I can find like new single friends I want to do like no yeah I'm always making friends like seriously I mean I

know I joke about not wanting anymore but I'm always making new friends and like as you age I think you get better at making friends and you also are more discerning about who you choose to be friends with very true very you're a better picker yeah so pick wisely Joelle you're gonna have lots of people wanting to be friends with you amazing well and you have four new friends today where are your friends perfect great you're all in my hopefully in my uh tax bracket we'll see you in toronto i like choosing friends above me financially you have to choose friends based on their financial situation send me your tax return and i'll see if i can make you

that's a tax return and a therapy bill yes both all right okay joelle thanks for calling in have Have a great day. Thanks, Joelle. Bye. Chelsea, I love how you hold people accountable. You're like, so what are we doing when you leave this call? Yeah. I just feel like women need to know that.

You know, you do make friends as you go through life. It's not like you just make friends and then that part of your life is over. Yeah. And you have to be willing to, like, you know, do stuff that you don't want to do. Like, I went mountain biking the other day. I mean, I didn't want to do that. No. I don't know what the point of me saying that is, but I just, like all my friends here,

the snow's not that great, and they're like, let's, so I had my boat, bike, I flew my bike up, and then they were like, okay, we're going to take you mountain biking now, because this is what we do when the snow is gone, and I'm like, okay, and then I went mountain biking, I'm like, I don't really think this is for me. It's so much dirt. But you're so adventurous. I know, but I'll do it again, because whatever, it's like, my friends like to do that, so I'll do it with them, you know, like, you want to be, like, malleable, you're not like,

Like, I'm rigid. I will only do this. I only like to do this. I hate when people are like that. Yeah. It's not fun. Well, some people have, like, friend groups since they were, like, in elementary school, which I was always jealous of.

But then I realized. I was just going to say that. Yeah. No, I have a friend. I have a friend who, she and her nine friends have been friends their entire lives. They're, like, they're all 44 and they've been together. And it's so beautiful and nice. But they all have other groups of friends, too.

You have to. You have to. Yeah, I went to three different high schools. So I've always, like. Well, we know why that happened. We're going to take a break and we'll be right back with Hannah and Paige. there's no shortcut for saving time but saving money is simple just combine your car and home insurance with bel-air direct and save get a quote at bel-air

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Paige DeSorbo and Hannah Berner wrote a new book. They wrote it together. They actually wrote the book together, which is called How to Giggle. And they're from The Giggly Squad, which is your podcast that everybody loves. And everybody loves to giggle. And Chelsea, we were very inspired by your books. Yeah. your books. Well, I didn't see that when you shouted

out to all of the icons in the book. I didn't see my name there, so that's funny that you say that. Although you're on the back cover. That's funny you say that. I saw Barbara Corcoran on there. But I didn't see Chelsea Hanna. Hannah's obsessed with Barbara Corcoran. It's kind of crazy. Clearly. I haven't heard her name referenced outside of that show

ever. I'm like, who is she talking about? Is this a politician? You leave Barbara Corcoran alone, Chelsea. Wait, you have to have her on the pod. Oh, I have to find out who she is first. is she the blonde woman from Shark Tank

she's the short with the short hair she's a pip you would like her but no Chelsea we got you to give a quote on the back that was the only quote

I wanted was Chelsea on the book well I don't have that because I got the book electronically Hannah so fuck off okay

so there is no quote from me anywhere to be found do you know what your quote is do you know what it is what does it say it says I met them once

Chelsea Handler that was before I even met Paige yeah I met one of them I met half of them once and I forgot I forgot what it was okay well Catherine what else do we have

you want to close up with something I do have one little quickie if you're okay on time gals we'll hit it hard okay cool so this comes from M she says dear Chelsea I've been dating my boyfriend for about a year. He's extremely attentive to my emotions, patient, passionate about his interests, driven, and successful. Problem is, he's a slob.

Not only are the surfaces in his house always sticky, full of crumbs, and cluttered, but he often forgets to shower after the gym and never puts the toilet seat down after peeing. In the beginning of our relationship, I didn't say anything, but after the first three months, I spoke up about how I'd appreciate him cleaning up after himself some more when he's at my house, but it's fallen on deaf ears. I have to keep reminding him. It's frustrating to sometimes feel like I'm being a mom to him, but I can't not speak up when he's leaving the toilet seat up and leaving crumbs and messes everywhere he goes. At least once a week, I wince when he tries to kiss me because of his stench. It's very unattractive. I love him a lot. He's emotionally mature in ways I've never seen in a man.

But will his messiness and general lack of awareness about things that aren't emotional in nature break us up? It's never going to work. Should it? If I'm as frustrated? It's over. he's untrained find a man who's pre-trained I'm not potty training him

this is so gross I once dated a guy who had a funky smell that came from his gut I'm assuming and he didn't smell in the daytime or at night but in the mornings

I was like I can't deal with the smell it was strong his bio-mone his pheromone whatever it was it was it doesn't go away smells don't go away when someone doesn't he's like a it's like a feral cat this guy also I feel like not that I'm married or like wouldn't know what it's like living with someone or whatever but I feel like it is those like little day-to-day things that

like keep you together so like yeah he can be emotionally intelligent but like he stinks yeah i don't care if he's ambitious he's a literal skunk that's running wild in your apartment yeah unless you're planning on removing your nose like you have to move on and find a different partner i also have a theory that you will fall in love with your your partner's natural scent and like you two have like a similar smell i don't know i made that up but i feel like it's no i think when you when it is when there is good chemistry then the smell is good you you yeah what you smell is smells good to you when there is natural but clearly that's not working because he's yeah like you get less UTIs and stuff with the right guy oh god I have a raging UTI right now

yeah that's kind of a thing where like sometimes your like smells don't work together and like you know or whatever um I will also say some of this smacks a little bit of undiagnosed ADHD so like get him tested and get him on something and see if that changes that might be your last ditch effort oh yeah

medicate him yeah medicate him and then maybe he'll start wiping his ass I mean maybe who knows and also like he doesn't get to kiss you

if he hasn't showered if he's stinky and he wants to kiss you you can be like go take a shower you stink I mean he could hire a cleaning lady

but the not showering thing that's like I don't know if you're changing that in a person whenever we do advice I always envision it's the same people

so like this is the guy who started dating a new girl and this new girl is calling in about how he smells that's a great idea for a podcast actually Hannah okay well that was an upsetting way to end this episode

that was not what we wanted to go out with but that's okay I think it's apropos for our guests today Paige I don't mean to be so cutting towards you this is only directed towards Hannah okay I don't know you well enough to treat you this way so I just

want you to know that that is all Hannah. No, it is such a privilege to get harassed by Chelsea Handler. That's all I want to do all day long. Put your arms up for a sec, will you please? Both arms. Both arms. There we go. Okay, and we're wrapped for today. Have a great day, girls. Everybody, you can go get How to Giggle at your local bookstore, local bookseller. Go buy your books in bookstores, people. Drumroll, Catherine, please. Chelsea Handler, Abroad Abroad is my European tour. So I'm coming to obviously find a husband abroad. I need to get the hell out of this fucking country. And it's not as easy as you think. So I'm coming to Reykjavik. I'm coming

to dublin i'm coming to the uk i'm coming to brussels paris belfast in may and june i'm coming to oslo stockholm to copenhagen manchester london glasgow new zurich vienna i've never ever been to vienna berlin barcelona and lisbon i'm coming abroad is abroad that sounds like fun i'm gonna to go see you abroad. I know. I want to go see me abroad. And there I'll be. There I'll be. Excellent. Do you want advice from Chelsea? Write into DearChelseaPodcast at gmail.com. Find full video episodes of Dear Chelsea on YouTube by searching at Dear Chelsea Pod. Dear Chelsea is edited and engineered by Brad Dickert, executive producer Catherine Law. And be sure to check out our merch at ChelseaHandler.com.

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