Life Will Be the Death of Me with Chelsea Handler - In His DMs with Tish Cyrus Purcell

Episode Date: May 7, 2026

Tish Cyrus is here for our annual Mother’s Day episode to talk about moving into a new chapter of life, wrangling Miley’s career and raising a family, and overcoming Instagram DM sabotage to meet the love of her life. Then: A college student is curious about finding a green-flag guy.  A mom of three little kids is desperate to find time to herself.  And a new mom struggles to move on from her deadbeat ex.  * Listen to Sorry We’re Cyrus here Pick up a copy of The Correspondent here * Need some advice from Chelsea? Email us at [e-mail] * Executive Producer Catherine Law Edited & Engineered by Brad Dickert * * * The views and opinions expressed are solely those of the Podcast author, or individuals participating in the Podcast, and do not represent the opinions of iHeartMedia or its employees.  This Podcast should not be used as medical advice, mental health advice, mental health counseling or therapy, or as imparting any health care recommendations at all.  Individuals are advised to seek independent medical, counseling advice and/or therapy from a competent health care professional with respect to any medical condition, mental health issues, health inquiry or matter, including matters discussed on this Podcast. Guests and listeners should not rely on matters discussed in the Podcast and shall not act or shall refrain from acting based on information contained in the Podcast without first seeking independent medical advice.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The cast of Frozen stopped by. Kristen Bell, Josh Gad, and Idina Menzel. I auditioned for Frozen. What? For Kristoff. They said, okay, what are you going to be singing today? I said, I don't know. That must have been why you didn't get it.

Oh, you probably won. Plus, John Stamos, Hayden Christensen from Star Wars, and more. And I guess I can share that, uh... No way. Listen to the latest episode of Hey Jonas on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, for the High and Mighty Tour people, we are rocking and rolling. These are the shows we have coming up.

May 15th, I will be in Saratoga. May 16th, Monterey. May 17th, Modesto. I will be in Port Chester on June 4th. And we added two new dates to the High and Mighty Tour. On June 3rd, I am coming to Saratoga Springs, New York. So a pre-sale has begun for that. And then on June 28th, I am coming to Nantucket and pre-sale has started on that. June 5th, I will be in Boston, Massachusetts. June 12th, I will be in Portland, Oregon. and June 13th, I will be in Seattle, Washington. June 27th is going to be Hyannis, Massachusetts. August 6th is Red Bank, New Jersey. August 7th, I'm coming home to Montclair, New Jersey.

August 15th is Calgary, Alberta, Canada. September 18th, Santa Barbara. September 19th, San Diego. September 25th, I will be at the Beacon in New York City. September 26th, I will be in Philadelphia. september 27th new haven connecticut october 2nd atlanta georgia october 3rd baltimore maryland october 4th saginaw michigan october 9th pittsburgh pennsylvania october 10th toronto canada october 16th i'm coming to boise idaho october 17th spokane washington november 7th I will be in San Francisco and November 13th, Salt Lake City, November 20th, Austin, November 21st, Houston, Texas, November 22nd, Irving, Texas, December 5th. I am adding a second show in Denver for those of you who couldn't get tickets to the first one. And on December 6th, I will be coming

to Vancouver, Canada. Okay. Those are all my dates for the high and mighty door. Go to ChelseaHandler.com for tickets. Hello, Catherine. Hi, Chelsea. What shows do you have coming up this week? Well, I just did my Netflix is a joke show, but there is a Kevin Hart roast on Sunday night for the Netflix is a joke festival. And I don't think anything's public, but I would just say, stay tuned to that. Are you, do you do roasts very often or is this, I've never done a roast, but this roast is going to close out the festival and it's for Kevin Hart. So you know how I feel about Kevin Hart. That's basically like your entire interaction with him is just like roasting him the entire time you're together anyway. So I know you'll do amazingly. So he's an absolutely

ridiculous person. And he needs to hear that on a regular basis to keep his little tiny feet on the ground. Well, I mean, he's a dad, but today is our Mother's Day special. Oh, yes. Yes. Kevin's roast ironically is on Mother's Day. He'll do anything to get out of having plans with his wife on her special day yes we have a we have a very special mother who is so sweet and responsible for raising lots and lots of children she has a podcast called sorry we're cyrus she is a manager a producer and she's here for our mother's day special please welcome tish cyrus purcell okay last time i saw you tish we were talking about our love of marijuana and you said that you had to quit smoking marijuana because you were getting anxiety. And I would like an update

because the last time I saw you was about a year ago. And before that, it was about a year that you had quit. Yes. So still dealing with anxiety. Okay. It's freaking horrible and way better. Definitely functioning, living my life where before I was not, but still like at night I'll smoke here and there, but I still, now I just have this fear of everything with the anxiety. So I'm like so afraid it'll give me anxiety that it'll definitely give me anxiety. So I only smoke when I'm feeling really, really good. Because then you have room to spare. Oh my God.

You're like, then I have a little margin of error I can handle. But I just, I love marijuana. I love marijuana too. I smoked some last night in my bed and it felt so great. Like I just moved into this house, as you can see, and it felt so nice to sit in my bed and my underwear and smoke a joint. Oh, it's the best. But I understand what you're saying about like if anything causes you anxiety, then it becomes more anxiety-inducing to even contemplate doing it.

Totally. And the only thing I sometimes feel like that could relate to what you're saying is sometimes when I'm smoking weed, there's a period of like a 15 to 20-minute bubble where you have no self-consciousness at all and you get lost in it. It's great. And it's such a beautiful feeling to be lost in a conversation or lost in a book or lost in like whatever you're doing, organizing at your house. But then when you remember that you're stoned. Oh, totally. And there's a shift that goes, oh, you're stoned.

And then you start having that kind of anxiety. One million percent. Yeah. So the 15 to 20 is heaven, like paradise. But you know, I used to before the anxiety like that I've had for the last few years, I don't really feel like I hit that 20 minute and even thought about but you know what I was kind of stoned 24 7 yeah well that's what happens sometimes we just have to really like break it off and let our body like re-acclimate and then our physiology changes as we get older

too which is a fucking pain in the ass it sucks well I'm not gonna ever stop drinking did you stop drinking I never was a drinker I just just weed but now people say like well my therapist when I talk about the weed thing and my love for it and I miss it and I just because she was like but you were never kind of just like on an even keel you were because I would I mean I did smoke like at night I smoked a lot you know and smoked during the day so I was kind of like I don't think I ever had a baseline of not being stoned for like 10 years did you wake up and smoke weed I did not do that but I definitely thought when I woke up I definitely was still high do you feel like that Oh, really? From the night before?

I definitely feel like I was still like just chilled and somewhat not completely not stoned. Like a really nice hangover. Yes. In the best possible way. Oh, well, that's great then. And then would start smoking about like 2 p.m., something like that. But it was every single song. Do you smoke every day? No, I don't smoke every day. That's the difference. I was smoking every single day.

Yeah. But there are days where I wake up and I immediately take an edible where I'm like, this is going to be hard. And I just medicate. But that doesn't happen that often either. I definitely go through phases. When I go to Whistler, Canada, and I'm there for winter, I definitely wake and bake. Like I get up, I smoke weed, I go skiing, I smoke more weed, I come home, you know, like that's my vibe up there. But when I'm in LA, it's not the same vibe. Right. I think now I'm just probably from what I'm learning during all this damn therapy I've been doing is I am just learning to kind of process things that happened over the last 10 years that I did not process in any way, shape or form because I was just high. And so I'm having

to kind of deal, which absolutely sucks. And I'm just learning to do that. And that's where your anxiety comes from. Totally. Yeah. I mean, that's where anxiety comes from for all of us, like trauma or stuff that we had to deal with that we weren't really present for, which most people aren't because there's all these defense mechanisms that we build in order to protect ourselves from dealing with anything traumatizing or dramatic. Okay. Congratulations. 20th anniversary of Hannah Montana I was watching Miley and I was like oh my god you guys have morphed into the same exact person it's really crazy isn't it so crazy you look like fucking twins it's so nuts like and she like we were shopping the other day and I was in like a store next door to the store she was in

and I hear her come down and she was like she was like mom I literally looked in the window but it was my reflection but I thought it was you and it was a whole weird thing for me and she was like, I'm really kind of scared. I'm scared that I have absolutely morphed into you. Isn't that so crazy? Yeah, it's weird. And what about the other kids? Are they looking as much like you? I mean, Brandy does a little bit, but not in the way that Miley. You and Miley are like twins. Well, I want to actually, let's circle back to the pot smoking, because if you're managing

all five of them, you have five children, you might as well have 17. Okay, I don't manage all of them. Okay, but didn't you at some point manage all of them? At some point, I was very, I was not with Brandy. She always did the DJ thing, which wasn't, I didn't know anything about that. With Noah, I managed her when she was really young, but also I was getting older and it is just like doing that when your kids are younger is much harder because you're the mom and the manager and it's just like a constant battle.

Everything's a battle at that time. So Noah has had her own manager for a long time. So I really, really just, I'm in the literal weeds day to day on the Miley stuff, which is a lot. And, but it's also, I don't know, I say this all the time. I really don't know how we did that and came out unscathed in like a crazy way, but I don't know how we came out in it to where we are still best friends. I'm her manager and her mom.

And like, we love each other and like, we even like each other. and like it just works seamlessly for us somehow and I don't like I look back and I'm like damn we did so much and she grew up in front of the world and you know she went through her own stuff and somehow we made it through in the best possible way do you can you think of a time where you gave her advice or guided her in a certain direction that you're most proud of you know I I think for me one of the things is like you know when she was like listen we all grew up and we all did crazy shit and Molly was doing everything in front of the world but also Molly was such a creative genius during those periods of time which you know I think some

people were just like watching her and it was like this growing up thing but I always saw like her mind and creatively what she was doing her entire career. And so for me, it's just like some of the things that I was watching her do, like even I didn't understand. And looking back off it, I was always just telling her to be authentically who she was. Like no matter what, no matter what somebody from a label is saying or just whoever, as long as you're being authentically you, go for it. Yeah. And no matter what she was doing, there was never a time that I wasn't just, somebody told me one time, if you're always coming from a place of love, it works out. And I always had to keep that in mind with while I was managing her and also like being number one,

her mom, you know, but also being her friend. And then the manager that was always for me, just like, if I'm always coming from the right place and a place of love, I can't steer her wrong. And I really did live by that during all those years and just kind of letting her be who she was and who she is. And now I look at her and I'm like, holy crap, girl, you did good. Yeah, totally. You know, when I see her now, it's like, I am so blown away by who she is. Me too. It's really crazy. I know. It is really impressive. Did you ever look at all of these other girls and think I should step in and take over the ones whose parents weren't as coming from a place of love? Yeah. I mean, you must have felt that way because I feel that way and I'm not

even a mother. Totally. And people, you know, even with Molly, people would, you know, look at me and be like, where's her mother? And I'm like, right there, like right beside her every step of the way, but handling it, I don't know, in just a way that made Molly feel safe, I think. And I just look, I just, and I was, I really did, even though I had all these other children, I think like when we went on, when Molly was on the road, I took them, you know, and, and that was like a hard decision too, because it was like, I wanted them to have their own lives, but I also didn't want to leave them with like a nanny or whatever. So like Noah and Brazen would go on the road with us and we'd have a teacher and, you know, it kind of felt like just being at home on the road.

Cause the family was all around. And I think that's another huge thing that probably helped Molly just having her family around all the time. And do you think that was beneficial for the kids now in retrospect to go on the road? In retrospect, I do, because I feel like, you know, I'm like crazy about, like, I think the school system is insane and how we teach the kids learn and all these things. I think they learned way more being on the road, living life, having those experiences, also having a teacher out there where they were actually doing school, but also just learning way more than they ever would sitting in a classroom and going to homeroom. And I just feel like it was a completely different life. They grew up quick, too. You know, they grew up, I do feel like

they probably had to grow up faster than a lot of kids. But I look at them now, and they're both all so just well-rounded and very independent. And so when I look back on it, I feel like it was absolutely the right choice. Well, what I love about your story, too, is A, good fucking job. Thank you. Mothers need to be told that all the time. I know you didn't do it alone. I know your husband was there too. Your ex-husband was there too. But let's just say that. What I love about your story is that now you have a whole new story of your own. So you did all of this work and you went on the road and you played the role of mother and manager, not just for one of your children, for all of your children at different times, maybe not the manager part,

but you know, being a mother to all of them while this was all happening. And then you get to have your next chapter, which is like really inspiring because you got divorced and you probably had no idea that you were going to fall in love with this man, Dominic. So can you fill our listeners in on that story and how you guys met and that stuff? Cause it's pretty cute. Yes. It's so cute. So, um, yes, I did all those things and, you know, I didn't ever really think I would get a divorce. That was not in the cards at all for me. And you know, that happened. And so I literally just, I love love. And one of my friends at the time, I was devastated. I'd been married for so long since I was like 24 years old. So I didn't know anything different and had never

been like on a date, like a date and whatever. So one of my friends just said, if you could go out with anyone in the world, like who is your like dream guy? How long after, were you still in devastation mode at this point? Or were you in recovery mode? I was pretty much, I think I was at that point in shock mode. Blindsided. Yes. And just the, I don't know where I was at. Honestly, I was stoned. But when she asked me that, I had always, I loved the show Prison Break. And I just always like Dominic was so dreamy and just like so gorge. And so when she said that, and she happened to be an agent, and I was like, Dominic Purcell. And she was like, you need to DM him right now. And I was like, what? I am not doing that. And she was like,

no, you're doing it. And so I did. And at the time, it was funny, I had a deal at NBCU to do TV shows. And so when I DMed him, I was like, hey, Dominic, you know, I don't know if you live in Australia or LA, but I have a TV deal at NBCU and I'm such a huge fan of Prison Break. Don't know what you're up to, but what do you think about getting together and talk about like maybe creating a show together or whatever? He literally, I'm talking, dings me back in like five seconds. And he goes, hi, love. Like, yes, let's do that. Like, let's get lunch or whatever. And I'm like, OK. And then he's like, how about tomorrow? And we meet up at this little crazy place called Pickwick's. It's a little Irish pub in Sherman Oaks. And he's drinking and I'm smoking weed and we play darts and hang out. And then we made out. And it was just like, wow, like this is crazy. and we had so much fun

and it really was something that kind of like saved me at that moment, I think. Behind every night spent making the kids' lunches, there's a lot of suspense. Will they finally eat the veggies? Will the pesto survive the first bite? Will the lunchbox come home empty, half full, or come home at all?

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And these are the survivor files. I just remember this low, taunting voice next to my ear saying, shut up, don't say anything. Every week, I'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable. I knew if he woke up, without a doubt, he was going to hurt me. I started feeling that there was someone at the end of my bed, and I just started screaming. They are abducted, stalked, controlled, and nearly silenced. But these aren't stories about what's taken from them. They're stories about what it takes to make it out alive.

Listen to The Survivor Files with Elizabeth Smart on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If your bookshelf and your For You page are equally important to your personality, welcome home. This is Prose Society, the weekly podcast that's part book club, part group chat for thought daughters, pop culture obsessives, and anyone who thinks Pride and Prejudice and Love Island deserve the same level of discourse. I'm Eli Rallo, and every week we're connecting the dots between books,

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podcast hollywood handbook on the big money players network our show is extremely accessible to first-time listeners each week we talk to someone in show business aka the biz and try to help them with their careers and see what they have to offer us everyone has a good time and no one gets mad at their publicist for letting them do our show we've had a lot of great guests like sarah sherman not that great actually can you help me can you help me shape this how about we flip it on its head how about we flip the script what if the surprise woman

who actually you think is the straight man is actually the one who's acting weird Adam Scott this entire time you've been expecting Adam Sandler to come to visit the show I would never expect

I would never set expectations for something like that to happen if the universe allows for something like that to happen I am open to it. I'm always going to accept. You know, Danny McBride, fine. Yeah, it's all this fragile masculinity exuding.

I could smell it walking down the hallway, to be honest with you. I was like, is that weed? Nope, it's fragile masculinity. Ben Stiller, no. Because a lot of times, out of context, people don't get it or even know what a circle is. You know what I mean? Like, they're like, oh, what's a circle?

Everyone's so dumb except for you. And fake. Right, fake. And also not interested or just like, oh, I've got my life. I don't care about your life. And a lot of other big shots that wouldn't be where they are without us. Oh, and by the way, Will Ferrell told us personally he loves the show and he wants to be a guest on every episode, but he's just so busy.

Listen to Hollywood Handbook on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, so you guys got together. We did. You had a great first date. That sounds like an adorable first date. kissing in the afternoon is really, really cute, right? Yeah. You kiss somebody in the daytime for the first time. That's cute. Yes. It was great. Yeah. And then, so then the next day he

texts me like, how do we do this again? Like, and I'm like, I don't, I don't, let me know. And so he called me and then we just saw each other constantly. And pretty quickly he said, yep, I love you. Let's do this. And I was like, great. And we just, we started seeing each other like consistently and here we are. And what are some of the things that you discovered about yourself being in this kind of new, different relationship that you didn't even know existed within a relationship maybe? Oh my gosh. Well, number one, communication. I did not know how to communicate in any way. And I think that was probably a big, you know, thing is like, there was just no communication. Like, even now, I feel like I more close up and close myself off

and like go hide in my room or something instead of like, like speaking up and saying like, you know, I really like for me, I just I love like, to be cuddled and like, I need to like, I guess my love language is touch probably or words of affirmation um and like I could if I am feeling any way I will just go to Dom and be like I'm feeling sad I need a cuddle and like it's just like he like is so I've never gotten anything from him but love when it's anything and anything in my world that's like wrong or I'm feeling a certain way like I used to be so scared to voice those things. I felt like I just needed to be so strong and because I really kind of did run everything, like our entire family, everything kind of really did fall on me to handle. And I

feel like this is the first time I've actually felt like I had a partner that what, you know, and that's taken a lot to get used to. And also I feel like for me, it was always like, there's such a calmness in my life now and I'm having a hard time with that. Oh, interesting. Yeah. I think, I mean, in therapy, that's what I'm learning is like I have lived in so much, not bad chaos necessarily, like just chaos in general for so long, which I love. I actually like it too.

I love chaos. I know what you mean. I thrive in chaos. Me too. Because then everything's just moving, moving, moving. It's hard to sit and stop and be like, uh-oh. When I do that is when it's not good for me. It's not good for me.

And also I would imagine because you are such like the orchestra conductor of Miley's life and making all the decisions, like you have no problem being assertive on behalf of her. Totally. But when it comes to you, it's a different situation. Completely different. And I don't know what that was. Well, I think that's true for a lot of women. Like I think we are able to stand up for each other or sometimes more than we are. like if it's our daughter, our sister, our mother, you know, anybody, you can go to bat for someone

else sometimes much more easily than we can defend or stand up for ourselves. Way easier. So I think that's common. Yeah. And I will say, and I do this on my podcast where I'm like, Brandi's like, here we go on the Dom show. But I will say, I literally, I have actually never met someone like him because I like it is it's so crazy to me because it has to be like conscious because it is very much like he just tries to empower me so much not to only like like to be communicated communicative with him but like he's always like you are so strong look what you've done look what you've done this you know and he's like you've got to stand up for tish like you know he like really has in the last few years just really because i have struggled

with the anxiety thing so much and let me tell you like holy crap like he has just been poor thing rock like a regan rock and but the the part of like kind of teaching me to lean into my power and what i've already accomplished because i actually didn't really even see it because i was so in it has been amazing. Yeah. Amazing. Yeah. That's beautiful. Yeah. I'm so happy for you. Yeah. He like, and he sounds so wonderful and lovely. Like if all men could just be like that, then we wouldn't have half the problems that we have. Oh, for real. And like, even the first year where my anxiety was like completely out of control, like truly he did not leave my side. Like he did not work. He did not. He like really was just like, I cannot leave my wife.

Like, this is critical time, like, for me to, like, be there and get her through this. And he really did. And, like, he, listen, I'm not saying he's perfect. Like, he loves to watch sports. And I want to watch, you know, there's these little things. But as a man, like you said, if every man was like that, it would be a different world. Yeah. If every man was encouraging to women to stand up for themselves and to search their truth

and to set the time aside for when someone needs you to actually be available to them. I mean, that's a luxury item also. Not everybody has the ability to do that financially, but those aren't the only ways to show up. And it's very nice to hear about men that are doing that. Totally. Speaking of men, at one point,

I got to tell you about my friend. So I've been seeing on your Instagram, you helping men find love. Yes, well, I'm trying to help women find love, But the men problem is there's, like, we need men. We need straight men that are available and respectful and respectable. Yes, I was talking about gay men. Oh, yeah, there's a lot of gay men.

But also, like, that is not—gay men are fucking. They're already fucking. That is so true. They're all fucking. So it's, like, the fact that they're, like, leaning on me to meet them so that they can fuck more. That is hilarious. I'm like, guys, this is really for straight women is who I was trying to help. Okay, because I was thinking—

Go ahead. Your friend is a gay man? Yes. And he definitely sent you something into the DMs. Oh, okay. But I was thinking, because he was telling me all about it, I was thinking this was mostly for gay men. So you're helping women.

Yeah. I don't know where it got at. Probably because my audience is probably mostly gay men. Totally. And women. And there's definitely not straight men hitting me up in the way that I'm asking them to. But yeah, I've got to broaden my... Some opportunities have arrived that I'm like, should I do something like this?

Because I really do. I think in times like that we're living in, I just want everyone to be fucking and having a good time. Everyone should at least be having sex with someone that they are attracted to. Totally. At the very minimum. Yep. You know?

Agreed. Oh, yeah. I wish I knew good straight. Good straight guys. Well, if you do find any and you come across them, send them my way because I have so many women. Yeah. I have so many.

These women are in my DMs like, please help us. Help us. These dating apps are atrocious. Oh, my God. I can't imagine. And I guess there's just a dish. The problem is, did you ever do the dating apps? I did not.

You didn't get that far. No. Right. That has to be horrible. Yeah. And I think that's also problematic because there's such abundance on the dating app. So you can just swipe through people and you don't really take them seriously like you would going on a date with someone.

You're looking at like 50 girls in a day. So how are you going to focus on one? You're like looking for the next best thing. So they need to re-engineer these dating apps. Anyway, more to come on that. Yes. More to come. I'm going to stay focused on it.

Okay. You should. But honestly, it is so needed. How long after you started seeing Dominic did you guys get married? We got married in a year and a half. Did we? We met in 20—God, I'm so bad. We met in February of 22, and we got married in August of 23.

Okay. So a year and a half. Okay. And how long has it been? Yeah. Just two years? We've been married two years, and we've been together over four. Four in February.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, when I saw you, I went on your podcast, which is called Sorry, We're Cyrus, that you and Brandy do together, which is great fun. Have you had a good time doing the podcast? Love it more than anything. Oh, really? What do you love about it? You know what? I honestly, this is something else I've learned, is like, I really don't give myself props for being good at anything. Like, I'm like, what am I good at? Like, I was good at managing Miley. That went well. But like, there are never really anything that I think

about that I love to do. And I've found that with the podcast, like I really do love talking to people. It's my favorite thing. And I love like, instead of just like shooting the shit, like I actually love kind of a deep conversation. And I feel like I'm pretty good at it. Like, I think it's more it's not something like that I prepare for for three days or like I kind of just go into it as like I'm just shooting the shit with a friend and that even like I had Olander on which I had not seen Love Island at the time and everybody afterwards everybody just freaked out on how great it was because it wasn't about the show that it was about her and I think for me it gave me this confidence in doing the pod that I had never had and because I really didn't know

if I felt like I was good at it and I had all these people like just really being like we really didn't know a Landry at all and we felt like we got to know her through you and she was from the south which made it easy and so I don't know it just is something that I've really like I look forward to it every time I get to do it oh that's nice yeah I know that's a nice surprise too it's really a nice surprise. It's just so nice the way this like second act of your life is working out for you. Well, let's hope because that's another, that's another one of my mental problems. I'm like, oh my God, I'm old. Oh my God. Like what if I don't get to work anymore? Oh my gosh. What if no one wants to come on the podcast? Oh my gosh. Like this is what my brain does. And so, and it's

hard. Like I have five kids at home and now no kids at home. You know, there's like a, there, There's like a great solution that I always do whenever I have like a negative thought pattern or, and it's from that book that I always talk about called Letting Go by David Hawkins, which is whenever you have a thought, there's always a direct opposite thought. Like when is someone going to come on? What if no one wants to come on my podcast? The opposite thought is what if everyone wants to come on my podcast? What if I don't have enough space for everybody?

And if you just flip to the opposite, it works if you keep doing it. And so that's a good little hack that I use when I'm like, even if I'm not, like if I have to go do something that I don't want to do, I'm like, yeah, you do. You want to go. Look how excited. Look how great it's going to be when you get there. You're going to light up the whole place and everything's going to be so much fun and you're going to have a good time.

And then by the time I get there, I'm in a good mood about it. Okay. So it's a good trick. My assistant's going. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can remind her. Remind her, please. She deals with me most.

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I was kidnapped and held captive for nine months. I survived, and I've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them. I'm Elizabeth Smart, and these are The Survivor Files. I just remember this low, taunting voice next to my ear saying, shut up, don't say anything. every week i'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable i knew if he woke up without a doubt he was going to hurt me i started feeling that there was someone at the end of my bed

and i just started screaming they are abducted stalked controlled and nearly silenced but these aren't stories about what's taken from them they're stories about what it takes to make it out alive. Listen to The Survivor Files with Elizabeth Smart on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If your bookshelf and your For You page are equally important to your personality, welcome home. This is Prose Society, the weekly podcast that's part book club, part group chat for thought daughters, pop culture obsessives, and anyone who thinks Pride and Prejudice and Love Island deserve the same level of discourse. I'm Eli Rallo, and every week we're connecting the dots between books,

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I chose option B. I'm Julie Pinheiro, and I travel by myself because it's a rare space where I can say yes without asking anyone else first. I'm on a mission to reclaim the word solita, trading the pity for possibility. Every time I tried to be alone, I kept meeting people and they were like, you smiled at us.

Not a lot of people smile around here. It's when you're alone that you're most receptive to the world as it is and not the lies you're sold about it. It can be a time where you push your limits, change your mind or wake up to a new version of yourself so whether you're a solo travel veteran or you're too nervous to book your first trip i hope you listen to solita on the iheart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts are we gonna take some we're ready to take we have live callers call in and you're the only

mother in this room. So we might have to defer to you on a couple of things. So Sarah says, Dear Chelsea, Hello, I'm a 20 year old college student who would love advice on what to look for in a partner. I have dated in the past and I'm drawn to boys who need me to fix them. And I'm quite frankly over it. What green flags are there to look for when it comes to men? And should I start dating older men, if anything? Kindly, Sarah. So pretty general question. Yeah, pretty broad question. I don't think you should limit to anyone who you're dating. I think you should have like a good practice for dating is just being as open as possible, not gearing it towards young men or older men or black guys or white guys. Well, I mean, I take that back. I prefer black

guys, quite frankly. But I think it's just good to practice dating as in general and avoiding the patterns that you've created. Like when you notice a pattern in your behavior, then just stop doing that. Like if you're going to avoid anyone, it's anyone who needs fixing. And green flags, if you're dealing with people that need to be fixed, a green flag is somebody who has their shit together. Somebody who has a job, who is, you know, showing initiative and being assertive about you and spending time with you and going out with you. Not you being a mom. Like that's not sexy for anyone in a romantic dynamic. Nobody wants to feel like a mother. I don't want to be telling you what to do. So I think all you have to do for me is avoid that feeling. As soon as

you feel like you're parenting or you're mommying, then you want to just exit out of that. And that's your red flag. And then you're going to notice what the green flags are. As soon as you say no to the red flags, you're going to notice the things that you're welcoming. But as soon as you feel that feeling, and I know exactly what you're talking about, I don't like it either. I'm not attracted when I have to be like a mommy. I don't want to be your mommy. Tish, what do you think? I'm definitely guilty of that, of being okay with that. Being a mother to a relationship. Yes. And that is one thing. Another thing that I've definitely learned is that I do not need to be that. Right. And how like freeing that is.

Exactly. It's also freeing. What's freeing is also to be taken care of by someone. when someone cares for you and is looking after you and doing nice things that you didn't ask them to do and then that whole dynamic shifts and you realize what's on the other side of it which is much sexier than being with someone who you have to direct yep what do you think about the dating an older man part of it i mean yeah you could date an older man but like those guys can be messes too totally just because they're older doesn't mean they have more of their shit together it may seem like they have their shit together because they have more experience but they can have their own set of problems. So I don't think you need to focus on an age. I think you need to

focus on the way you feel when you're out with a man. Totally. When you're in a relationship with a man, you're feeling like even from what Tish you've talked about just today, the feeling that you had from your previous relationship moving into this is like you've been reborn, basically. Yeah. And it was nice because I took care of everybody for so long, like truly just took care of everything and everyone and to now feel like someone's taking care of me. And every aspect of my life is incredible. I love it. Yeah. So Katie is 37. She says, Dear Chelsea, I'm in my late 30s, married and have three young kids ages one, three and five. My mom who's in her 70s also has her own space in our basement. We moved to a new state three years ago when I was pregnant with my second.

I work full-time and my husband works in television, so his schedule is very unpredictable, often nights and weekends. When he's home, we divide and conquer well, but I'm also frequently solo parenting. My mom has mobility issues and some brain fog, so I also find myself caring for her in many ways. Between solo parenting, full-time work, and caregiving, I've reached the part where every professional says, you need self-care, and I want to ask when and how exactly. I've tried making mom friends, but it mostly feels like monitoring kids near each other rather than forming any real connections. I'd love any advice you have for this stage of life, especially how to take care of yourself when there's truly no margin. Thanks for making me laugh when I'm

exhausted. Katie. Hi, Katie. This is our special guest. Tish Cyrus is here. Hi, Katie. Hi. Nice to meet you. She knows a lot about what you're talking about. Do you want to go first, Tish, about self-care? Totally, which I never did. And I actually would say, make that a priority now because I actually did not. And it is exhausting. I also, like I was raising five kids in a crazy, crazy world. You know, my husband at the time was also working and I was doing most of it alone. my mom also lived with us. And so I, you know, she helped me, but I also cared for her as well. And really, there was like, in my mind, there was really no time for me. And I wish so bad that I had made time, especially I love what you just said about, like, you even feel like with the

friends that you make, it's more just like kids playdates and, you know, things like that. Because now, it's crazy because I'm feeling lame at this moment in my life because I literally will meet someone out and I'm like, I really need friends. Can we do something? I'm literally trying to make friends now at 58. And I wish so bad that at the time that you're in in your life that I would have taken time to do self-care and to build a friend group that was there to support me, not just support like the play dates. So I think for you, I know how hard that is because when you have that many kids and you're caring for your parent and you're doing most of it alone, it's hard to find the time. But I do think it's so important, even if it's just getting some time

when your husband is around and able to help, like to read a book or take a bath or, you know, go be with a friend for an hour. Yeah. And get out of the house away from the kids for an hour. Do you have that ability to leave the house for like an hour a day is that a possibility for you it is on the days that my husband is home right uh so like if if we can make our schedules kind of line up then yeah i can do that well that could be one of the first points that you make is whenever he is home you have an hour and what you decide to do with that is up to you like you take i mean not just an hour it can be as long as you trust him with the children I guess the better way to say it, but like hit up one of these women to go for a walk without the

kids and see if you have anything going on between you two then, you know, I know it's easier to do stuff with the kids when they're that age and you kind of have to, but also find out if you have anything in common with these women outside of the children. And if you do great. And if you don't great, then you know that then, you know, they're just like your kids, parent friends, and you can do stuff together. Then you can even take the one-year-old or the three-year-old or the, I guess the one-year-old on a walk with you. But just to separate yourself from all of your duties as a mother, I think geographically is important. To get out of the house, to go out to dinner with a group of women or one or two women at the very minimum, just to be away from all of the stuff

that you're dealing with because you need to recharge your batteries. So self-care doesn't have to be like you're meditating every day. That can be great for certain people, but it doesn't have to be like a prescription. It can be whatever makes you feel good in the moment. And I know exercising and moving your body and getting out of the house when you're a mother are two really important ingredients. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I think that those are the things I miss the most, honestly, is, you know, being able to move around and not have, you know, a child trying to jump on top of me at the same time. Right. Right. And also something to remember is so like make that agreement. And even if you're going for a walk alone, that's fucking great. Like better to be

Like I would prefer to go for a walk alone. I'm not into walking with people. I don't understand what that even means. I found out about that during COVID because everyone wanted to go for a fucking walk. I'm like, I don't want to go for a walk with someone. Like I want to listen to a podcast or listen to music and do my own thing. But I like people for other things, not that. So, but even if it's just you saying that to your husband on the days that you can, when he is home, just start the practice of asking for a time and a little space that's reasonable. And also remember this is temporary. You're not going to have a one, three and five year old for the rest of your life. So the better you have, like the better ability you have to recharge your batteries

to be present for all of it and all of the chaos, the better you're going to feel you're the better you're going to show up as a mom. When you are tired, the better you're going to show up as a partner and the better memories you're going to have in six months and three years and six years. And it goes fast because I remember just praying, oh my gosh, when are they going to be 18? Like, when is this going to be over? Right. After number five. And now I look back and think, oh, my God, it went so fast.

Like, it really does, even though I can feel your vibe in this moment. It doesn't feel that way. But she's right. Like, it won't be this chaotic forever. You know what you should do is pick up a book. I just read this book. It's a great book. It's called The Correspondent.

Pick that up and make that your first gift to yourself. get that book start reading it it's a real easy read it's really good you're gonna like it every woman will like this book and just give that as a gift to yourself and when your husband's around just say I need an hour alone I'm gonna go to the park and read the book or you're gonna go to your room wherever you want to go I would say get out of the house and just go find somewhere to read a book for an hour and that gift alone that you give yourself will start leading to new ways and new ideas for you to kind of pour more water in your cup okay yeah that's a great idea I feel like you know sometimes you get kind of guilty being like oh I shouldn't want to you know spend time away

from my kids when I don't have as much time with them because they're in daycare if I'm working and stuff like that but I do think that it'll help me bond with them better when we are together if I do have a little more time for myself yeah and there's also something about like filling up your brain with different information than the information you're circulating and recirculating all day with your kids because it's a lot of the same shit all the time so it's like you can go have a break read a book fill your brain up with someone else's story and someone else's life that's thought-provoking that gets you out of your head and that's like building your kind of you know brain power chemistry your neurotransmitters like it's all good for you so

like make sure like make that your first thing and then if you love that then get another book and make sure you're asking for the time that you need because no one's going to give you anything that you don't ask for. Totally. You know, so you really have to advocate for yourself. Act like you're in a mental hospital and you're your advocate.

It feels like that sometimes. So I think I can do that. Yes. Yeah. And I mean, your husband, is he a reasonable guy? Like, will he get this and understand it? Yeah, I think so. He tries to help out when he's around.

It's just, you know, the kids are usually like, mommy, mommy, mommy. Yeah, it's that age too. Maybe getting away, like if I'm not physically there, it might be easier for him too, because they're not always trying to go for me. Yes, exactly. And that will help their bond too, because then they'll spend more time with their father and then they'll start to lean on him in a more equal way.

So it's like going to work for everyone. It's just like AA, it works if you work it. Totally. All right, thanks. Yeah, I think that's good advice. Okay. All right, well, hit us back. Let us know how you like the book.

and then we'll give you books to read if you need more books to read. Oh, yeah, for sure. I would love that. Oh, yeah, that's a great, that would be awesome. Okay. All right, thanks so much, Katie.

Bye, Katie. Thank you, bye. Bye. Whenever I hear, you know, I was watching someone at the airport and they had four kids traveling. That sounds terrible. And I'm just like,

oh my God, fucking four strollers. That's too much. That is way too much. But also, it's just like, tell me if I'm wrong about this. I feel like once you have two, you may as well have five. Or is it once you have three,

you may as well have five. I think it means you have three. Three, yeah. Because two to three is a big difference. My mom always says like after three it's like basically

more of the same. We were four. Totally. Yeah. And then they can help occupy each other and start playing with each other.

But getting out of a one-year-old like that's the youngest that is very hard. It is. Hard age to make them independent. She's definitely got her hands full.

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They are abducted, stalked, controlled, and nearly silenced. But these aren't stories about what's taken from them. They're stories about what it takes to make it out alive. Listen to The Survivor Files with Elizabeth Smart on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If your bookshelf and your For You page are equally important to your personality, welcome home. This is Prose Society, the weekly podcast that's part book club, part group chat for thought daughters, pop culture obsessives, and anyone who thinks Pride and Prejudice and Love Island deserve the same level of discourse. I'm Eli Rallo,

and every week we're connecting the dots between books, the internet, and the conversations everyone can't stop having. I'm going to have to look up this story. I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed. From best-selling authors and your favorite book talk creators to the latest pop culture moments, nothing is off the table. It's like if you can hide some real messages inside compelling characters, then that is a Trojan horse. Whether you're looking for literary deep dives, smart pop culture conversations, or a community of readers who love to think a little too much, you're in the right place. Listen to Pro Society on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. See you between the pages. Hey, this is Hayes Davenport.

And Sean Clements. We host the podcast Hollywood Handbook on the Big Money Players Network. Our show is extremely accessible to first-time listeners. Each week, we talk to someone in show business, a.k.a. the biz, and try to help them with their careers and see what they have to offer us. Everyone has a good time, and no one gets mad at their publicist for letting them do our show. We've had a lot of great guests like Sarah Sherman.

Not that great. Actually, can you help me shape this? how about we flip it on its head how about we flip the script what if the surprise woman who actually you think is the straight man is actually the one who's acting weird Adam Scott

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Right, fake and also not interested or just like, oh, I've got my life. I don't care about your life. And a lot of other big shots that wouldn't be where they are without us. Oh, and by the way, Will Ferrell told us personally he loves the show and he wants to be a guest on every episode, but he's just so busy. Listen to Hollywood Handbook on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So Elizabeth says, Dear Chelsea,

I'm writing to you today for advice on how to shrug off a man who isn't worth it when he's stuck in your life indefinitely I was married for over 10 years until I found out he'd been having a series of affairs and cheating for half that time Ultimately, he wouldn't change his behavior. So I left here's where it gets complicated. We have a small child together We have shared custody and our co-parenting and we're both determined not to fuck up our kid with our issues So we don't let that drama get in the way. We actually co-parent quite well We communicate. We can trade days or cover each other when we need to. We can each attend school extracurricular events and be around each other for the sake of our kid. What I need advice on is how to get my heart out of the way. We've been divorced for a year now.

I threw myself into healing and moving on. I've done all the things, therapy, new hobbies, travel. I've dated, had casual hookups, and I put myself out there. But damn if my heart isn't still broken every time I have to talk to my ex and see him. He still has the parts of him I fell in love with all those years ago i just get this sense of loss and longing for what i thought i had what do i do i can't just stop seeing him or speaking to him like any other breakup where you can get a clean break he'll be around for my son's entire life any advice on how to take the emotional sting out of this and stop nurturing a broken heart for this guy who doesn't deserve it my brain says screw that guy but my heart doesn't know what to do with the love i had for him for

a decade elizabeth i know i know this is a tough one it is well what do you think i mean you have experience with this. I think it's so, I think there was one thing that she said in there that someone kept saying to me, and it was, if you can, like, because she said, it's like what I picture that we could have had, like what it could be, what it, that is the thing, is like, for me, it was really being, having to, like, really make my brain focus on how things had gotten, how things were instead of how they should be or could be. And I don't know that it actually, because when you have kids with someone, I mean, it makes it so much harder. And especially my kids are all older. So there was none of the going back and forth or having to communicate, which

I'm sure is so hard. I mean, I don't know how you take the emotion out of it or how you change how you feel. But I think you can look at things in that way of like, you know how it could have been if only this. But, you know, those kind of fantasy, you know, and the fantasy of what is your reality and what reality. That was the hardest part for me. And also, you have to move into acceptance. Totally. You have to accept that the relationship is over. Yeah. And there's a new book that everyone's talking about strangers, which is that woman wrote about this very thing, her husband cheating on her, the dissolution of their marriage, all of it, and how she had to basically reconcile because people automatically assume that when a partner cheats, you, you fall

out of love with them. She said that. And she's like, I didn't, I still loved him. And I had to deal with a, you have to accept the situation at face value. There is no more relationship. It's over. So what you thought was going to be there is not there, but what's ahead could be even more beautiful than what you had. So it's really important. I mean, we're sitting here with like a perfect living example with tish about how wonderful her life has become in the second chapter that she didn't want or expect or was planning for you know not at all and and look how happy she is and vibrant like you have to be you have to accept the situation for what it is because before that happens until that happens you're not going to be shown what is else is

possible in your life right and i think like in elizabeth's situation like the idea of happily ever after with this person wasn't even the reality when she was with this person. That's the key. Right? It was like there was all this drama and all this turmoil. So like the idea of what it would have been would have been more of that in reality. Exactly. Yeah.

And getting stuck in this kind of romantic idealization and kind of fantasy is just, I think, a sign of you really needing to get grounded and getting grounded in the reality of your situation and moving forward, because really anything is possible in your life. Anything is, as soon as you cut these heartstrings, you know, and just start to look at him for what he is, which is your children's father, and that's it. Yeah. And I think once she does meet someone that she actually does care about, it's going to start to undo a lot of that, you know? I think it undoes that. And also, I think her child is maybe younger too. And then the relationship you can have with his father or your, your ex, like will be so much better and clearer and what that

actually is. And everybody, it's so hard to, to believe when you're in it, that things can get better, that there is someone else for you out there. But yeah, I think when you kind of just, like you said, get grounded in reality of what, what is, is when you actually can move forward and bring great things into your life. Yeah. You know? Yeah, so good luck to you. Keep us posted also.

We always like to hear feedback. And Tish, are you writing a book? Have you started writing your book? I was saying I need to do, mine will need to be a trilogy because there is so much, like so much, but I do need to do that at some point. Yeah, but you need to enjoy yourself.

Totally. Like I am all for you just having a great old time. Me too. And just fucking kicking back and doing whatever the fuck you feel like. I know. I've got to figure out what that is. I'm on it. I'm on it.

We'll start just by having sex with Dominic. Not that you haven't started that, but just continue. That part's easy. Yeah, that part's easy. Thank you, Tish, for being with us. Thanks for having me. Loved having you. And check out Sorry We're Cyrus, right?

Check out Sorry We're Cyrus. That is a podcast with Tish and Brandy, her daughter Brandy, that I have been on as well and had a great time talking to you girls. Yeah, it's so fun. And like I said, it's my favorite thing. So help me. If you want advice from Chelsea, write into DearChelseaPodcast at gmail.com.

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