Life Will Be the Death of Me with Chelsea Handler - Is OnlyFans Cheating? with Anna Roisman

Episode Date: February 8, 2024

Comic and host of the Big Wigs podcast Anna Roisman is in with Chelsea this week to chat about flying commercial dressed as Kris Jenner, why D&D almost destroyed her relationship, and how delusion can bring you the life of your dreams.  Then: A reality show producer struggles with a sabbatical.  A cheating co-worker gets found out. And a girlfriend wonders if she should overlook her honey’s 0nlyFans habit. * Check out Anna’s podcast Big Wigs here! * Need some advice from Chelsea? Email us at [e-mail] * Executive Producer Catherine Law Edited & Engineered by Brad Dickert * * * * * The views and opinions expressed are solely those of the Podcast author, or individuals participating in the Podcast, and do not represent the opinions of iHeartMedia or its employees.  This Podcast should not be used as medical advice, mental health advice, mental health counseling or therapy, or as imparting any health care recommendations at all.  Individuals are advised to seek independent medical, counseling advice and/or therapy from a competent health care professional with respect to any medical condition, mental health issues, health inquiry or matter, including matters discussed on this Podcast. Guests and listeners should not rely on matters discussed in the Podcast and shall not act or shall refrain from acting based on information contained in the Podcast without first seeking independent medical advice.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Doug is in doggy daycare my friend told me about this dog walker and she's like oh yeah she's great I'd send my dog once a week and so the dog walker came over to my house and I'm like how many days are possible she's like we do it seven days a week I'm like I'll take five he needs a lot of fucking exercise this dog and he is such a moose he's like my sister said it's across between a gorilla and a, is it a lion? I was going to say, he's got a lion's, like a full lion's mane. I know. He's so funny looking. Oh my God. So now I'm training him. Yeah. I'm training him. I have a parenting coach. I have a dog walker and I'm also taking parenting classes with my friend for her kids. It takes a village, Chelsea. So I am literally deep in, I don't know what has

happened in my life, but I'm learning a lot and a lot of really good stuff about parenting in case I ever have to parent a vagabond, which apparently I do. Yeah. I mean, the thing is a tired dog is a good dog. So getting him in playdates and everything, that's perfect. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's very friendly. She said he's very, she sent me a text, the dog walker, and she said he is one of the most compassionate, compassionate, caring dogs I've ever met. And I'm like, what a funny thing to say about a dog. Compassionate. How did he just demonstrate that compassion. Whose soul is in him? He must be an old soul. I don't know. Maybe it's my mom. No, it's definitely not my mom. She wouldn't be like that. But anyway, it's pretty cute. And

Bernice is really perking up. She tries to play with him and then she like barks at him and it's pretty cute. They have a nice relationship. And it'll keep changing too. It's like they say like the first three days the dog is like adjusting. The first three weeks they're like getting to know whoever else is in the house. And the first three months, like after three months, they're sort of like in the home and you know even today like mimsy and and wendell are like snuggling and they just started doing that this week and it's just lovely that is cute yeah so yeah i had a full house this weekend in whistler i had about nine people sleeping at my house and my house doesn't really fit nine people so it was close quarters and fun and a lot of my friends i've

just kid it's like a daycare here there's just kids running through my house all the time it's so funny but you love a teenager and you know what teenagers i think love you too because you're not afraid to talk about the stuff like their parents won't talk about with them anyway so i have shows this weekend that's what i'm doing i have a show tonight in saskatoon so i'm heading out soon and then i have a show tomorrow night in winnipeg canada and then we added another sydney show we added another vancouver show awesome and we're adding a bunch of shows yeah well los angeles has floated away over the last several days that's what's happening over here was it really bad the river at the la river is like a monster it's crazy and apparently

a lot of parts in the valley are totally flooded oh god i don't know it has it would rain for a week last week so there was no skiing here now it's sunny but it's like an ad for climate change the mountain it's so bare and you're like I mean you can ski but it's like it's not what it's supposed to be so yeah that's a bummer anyway we have a very funny guest on the show today she's a comedian she's a hot mess I met her on Instagram as I meet all my young lovers and you should follow her because she does a really good impersonation of uh Kris Jenner that's how I first found her but she does a lot of impersonations um her name is Anna Roisman hi Anna hi where are you Anna I'm in New York oh is this where you hail from New York I hail from Philadelphia but

yeah I'm in New York mostly right now Catherine I don't know if you're familiar with Anna and in the way that I am but I found her I discovered her because she does these ridiculous impersonations of the Kardashians yeah well she of Chris well Chris really Jenner right is the one that from the Kardashians do you do all of them or do you just Chris I just do Chris I could probably do the other ones but yeah well you do a lot of it you do steve from sex in the city you do a lot of other impersonations too but what caught my eye was the chris jenner one because i forwarded it to chris jenner i was like have you seen this fucking girl you look like an asshole i died i know i flew across the country as her which was psychotic that's really really funny but you do a

great impersonation and i like any impersonations of all the because there's so many tiktok instagram impersonations of all the kardashians and some are obviously cream of the crop so kudos to you anna and i know you're a comedian i saw you at my one of my shows at the beacon we met there yes which was so fun that was a killer show oh thank you so you're a comic and i'm just learning about you and i want to learn more about you thanks first of all i'm so honored to be on here and i just have to say when you shared that chris jenner video last year i was in like my darkest time ever. And I literally said to my boyfriend, I'm going to, I'm going to just, I want to go to the airport as Chris, like she would never fly a commercial. This will be so funny. And then I

obviously thought I'd do it for like 20 minutes and I stayed in it the whole flight. And then you shared it. And I was like, it was worth it. He wanted to kill me. We're like on the plane and I'm wigged. And I'm like, excuse me, I have to go to the bathroom. Like I'm like walking down the aisles. And when you shared it, I was like, I cried. I was just like, oh my God, so many people were so nice to me. And they were like, I don't know you did this, blah, blah, blah. So thank you. you really picked me up at a bad time. Oh, well, I'm happy to listen. Every time we're in a dark place, this has happened to me so many times in my life. A stranger literally will come out of the fucking sky and tell you how much you mean to them or do something that lifts you up. That is

like the way the world works. Like the universe has your back. Like just when you think you're not, you don't have it anymore. Someone will say you changed my life or you did this or they do that. So you always have to pay attention to those things. That's something I used to think was corny and now as an older woman in the midst in the mid sunset of my life I love all the signs that you get that are reminders of like you're on the right track everything is only temporary when you're going through a bad phase that's only a bad phase it doesn't have to be permanent and it won't be permanent whether you want it to be or not yeah it's so true do you like when people come up to you out of the blue and they're like you know when you're out to dinner or something

and they stop you I mean I don't mind I don't really care as long as people don't ask me to get up when I'm like seated at a dinner table. Like I once had a guy, like I've had many guys do this, go come over here. It's like, like I'm a prostitute or something. I mean, that's not even okay for a prostitute really. It's, it's like, why would I get up for my dinner with my fucking family when I'm spending it to go take a, what do you think I work for you? It's just so stupid. Yeah. The other thing is when people try to take pictures in bathrooms, I try to deter people from that behavior. But I do find that it's always a nice message when you're feeling down or something bummed you out, or you heard something you didn't like about yourself. There's always a reinforcement

right around the corner to validate you and tell you like you are loved. And that is happening all the time in my life right now. So I, I'm very attuned to it. So I would advise you to pay attention to those things too. Yeah. Yeah. I had a guy once messaged me on Instagram after I'd be like, I just saw you walking around New York and I didn't say hi. Cause you were much shorter than I thought you'd be I was like okay one of the dumbest things people say to you you're so small everyone you're so small in person I'm like I'm sorry that that thank you I think I think thank you or you're so much prettier you're so much prettier in person I love that one you're like uh okay how big and ugly was I online for you on a screen for you I know I know so what's your

story Anna tell me like how you got into comedy and like what you want to do and where you're headed I mean how I got into comedy it's funny I grew up thinking I'd be a very serious Broadway actress like well you look like you could be a veterinarian a doctor like you look like a more serious person than you are thank you it's just the glasses you know and they gave me a complex when I first started auditioning my agents literally would say like hey so this one they actually want uh someone funny so make sure you wear your glasses and I was like the Tina Fey effect like what I was like and then they'd be like actually they're looking for a pretty girl so if you could just wear contacts for this audition. And then I'm like, who am I? They do

that much to your face? No, I thought I'd be a Broadway actress. I moved to New York City and I was like, they're waiting for me. I am, I am a singer. I am here. I think the first sign should have been, I didn't go to college for musical theater. So like, you know, I went for TV production and I wrote a lot and I did theater, but I didn't like study it. My parents were like, wait why do you have to go to college to sing we don't need that's that's not a real degree and then I mean I went to New York and everyone was like trained and I was like oh shit I'm not I'm not one of these like wait no one else wore like a leather jacket and sneakers to this audition they're all in like character shoes and like dresses and I felt so out of place and I

started taking classes at UCB and I like met some cool people and I was like oh these are like more people like me you know a room full of people who start in their high school theater and then move to New York thinking they'd be a star and they're in an improv class I don't know it's funny how so many of us think like wait till I get like that's how I felt when I moved to LA when I was 19 I was like wait till they see me I was like wait until everybody gets a load of this I know like so delusional but also you know kind of not it's kind of nice to think that highly of yourself you need to be delusional to do something like that to move to one of those exactly you have to be like, I'm going to be the biggest star, whatever the fuck you think you're doing. I mean,

my goalposts are always like moving based on what I'm doing. Cause I really have no long-term plan. I'm always just very in the moment, like, Oh, what looks like fun this year. But I like that. I like that hubris. Yeah. Right. And how are you finding, like, let's talk about the industry and like being a woman and being a comedian and having all of these things. Like, how have you found your way in? How old are you? I'm old. I'm 37. Okay. Well, I'm 48. So why don't you shut the fuck up? Wait, I listened to Z-Way's episode and I was like, should I just say 19? Like, she's going to ask me, should I just say it? I never said. What about Z-Way? What a bitch. Z-Way. I was like, Z-Way, you're a fucking asshole.

She lied to me about her age. A, hook, line and sinker, by the way, I fucking fell for it. I was like, I usually know bullshit, but I was like, I don't know. And I was sober that day. I wasn't even stoned Catherine so what's it's almost like when I'm sober I'm at a disadvantage you know what I mean like for me to level up I've got to either have an edible or a cocktail I love it but yeah Z-Way for everyone listening she was our guest and she said she was 19 and I believed her and then we share the same manager so afterward I was like I can't believe Z-Way's 19 and she said she's not you idiot of all the people she could have lied to you stuck it I was like oh whoopsie She would have gotten her Showtime show at like 16, started writing for Desus and Mero at like 13.

Yeah, I know. Well, kudos to her for being believable. You know, you got to give credit. Young and beautiful. I did think I'd be that successful by 19. You know, I was like, there's no way I'm going to be an adult and I'm not like rich yet. And here we are. I remember having this age line and I remember I used to look at how old Jennifer Aniston was when she got friends because that was my age threshold. And she was 32, I believe. So I remember going like, okay, I have until 32 because I waited tables for like seven or eight years. And I was very, I was good at it, but I was a big bitch. So a lot of people, there was a lot of arguments and confrontations. I was the worst server too. I did it for seven

years. I was fine with the service and like being effective and like quick and I could remember everything. I just didn't want the human interaction. Like the people were like, I was just like, don't talk to me. You know what I mean? Like, I'm going to get you your food. Like, let's not get it twisted. I would lie to tables. They'd order a certain wine. And if it wasn't a twist off, I'd be like, oh, I think we're like out of it. I actually, I recommend this one. They'd be like, you're supposed to upsell. I'm like, I just want to do the ones that twist off. I really hate opening wine at the table. I did the same thing at Chaya Brasserie in Venice, California. I couldn't open bottles of wine. Like I just would fuck it up. So I told the staff at Chaya Venice that I

was allergic to grapes so that I wasn't allowed to serve wine. There is no grape allergy. Like no one has it, but I didn't know that. And neither does anybody else. Oh my God. Ziwe probably has a grape allergy actually. She definitely does. Yeah. That's so funny. It's like, I'm not going to bring a tray with a bottle and a bunch of glasses over and not fuck that up. I'm not domesticated. No. And I also would never pick up more than one plate at a time. Yeah. Like I'm sorry. You come over, but take one plate and then come back five minutes later. So what has your experience back to that question? What has been your experience navigating this industry? Cause it's a totally different medium than when I came up because you know, you're very well known from

your social stuff and it's different now. Like it's not like you get fame necessarily for being on television yeah it's crazy i started to feel that like the video bug i feel like a long time ago when i first started doing stand-up which was like 10 years ago i guess and i would do shows and then there would be some shitty shows where i'm like oh they give me like six minutes all these fucking gross guys who have nothing nice they don't even like bring you up on stage properly and i was like or i could make a video and it could go viral on youtube and that would be so funny and hundreds of thousands of people would see it instead of the 20 people at this comedy club in new york so i don't know i started doing that like a while ago and i sort i loved it and

then i guess i hosted a game show i don't know if you know this i hosted a game show for three years that like changed my life no what's it called it was called hq trivia it was like on your phone and it was super popular it was like twice a day it was live millions of people would tune in we had like celebrities host like the rock hosted once like it was it was crazy and it was like four or five hundred thousand people a night playing this game that I would host and it just ended like a year and a half ago it came back in the pandemic but that was on on an app and so like I was like posting every night about that and then in the pandemic I just I accidentally did an impression and that went viral it was an accident I didn't plan it at all and it went

kind of viral and then the LA Times called me a tiktoker and I was like oh my god so much pressure you're like I know I didn't even I don't even know if I had to I might have had like done a couple things on TikTok but nothing major and I was like wow I guess they didn't do the research I'm just a TikToker to LA Times now that's cool and I just I let I leaned in you know I started making more videos daily like a crazy person you know the fact that my boyfriend hasn't left yet and he's filmed a lot of my videos is a blessing what's the story with your boyfriend how long have you guys been together we've been together almost eight years which oh oh so long that's so long people gave up after you're three or four they're like why aren't you getting married yet

now they don't even that's not even a question you know you're not getting are you not into the marriage I never cared I was never obsessed with marriage I never wanted kids my mom is like she's your hero Chelsea's your hero because like I have nieces now and I'm like they think I'm the coolest person in the world and I love that role and I'm like I never wanted my own kids you know I love being like okay good night bye now your parents deal yeah so my boyfriend and I and that was something I told him straight up I wasn't looking for a boyfriend I had gotten out of a breakup and it was like a couple years of me just I was like the 40 year old virgin again like it was so fun being single because I was with someone for eight years from like college to 27 so you're

are you like long-term relationships? I guess. Yeah. It's nice though. It's refreshing to hear that like, you know, so many young girls are like girls that are younger than me that are being honest about what they want with marriage and children and like actually identifying. It is such an empowering and powerful thing to know and recognizing yourself what you want, because I think that's such an issue for so long. I think women for so long were held so back, you know, and, like, housewives and da-da-da, that you're, like, you don't even think you have a choice. You just do what you're supposed to do. So now to see all these women, like, no, I'm not getting married.

I'm not having children. That's not for me. It's very, like, it's just a sign of, like, the times that we live in. And it feels like there's, like, some sort of female awakening that's been at play for the last, you know, 50 years. And we're cruising into this really sweet spot, especially abutting up against Roe v. Wade being overturned the way men are and, you know, how stupid most of them can act at times and embarrassing it is as a society that men get away with such nonsense behavior. And we are, we're like, we're over here. We've had our shit together this whole time and nobody has been giving us the wheel to drive.

So true. Yeah. That's really refreshing. How do you feel about children the same way you feel about getting married? Yeah. I never wanted kids. I love kids, kids like me, but I never wanted to have kids of my own so you say i mean do you have proof that children like you yes because i always have candy on me and my sister's three-year-old thinks i'm like the fucking god like you know or a child molester i always have candy on me watch out i actually speaking of child molesting i i got a ride home from a child last night i was flew in from i this is so ridiculous i flew in from LA to Whistler. I'm back in my, I have a little ski situation in Whistler that I'm obsessed with skiing. So I came back yesterday and I stopped at my friend's house, which is like 40

minutes away. And she had dinner and friends over and then everyone kind of fell asleep. But I'm like, well, I don't want to sleep here. Like I just got home. I want to go to my bed. And this like 19 year old kid was like, I'll drive you to a Whistler. It's like 40 minutes. And I was like, are you, are you, I was like, how old are you? Can you drive in the snow? He's like, I'm 19. And I was like, okay. And then I, I like, you know, observed him for a good 45 seconds and thought, yeah, actually this is the guy I want to drive me home. You were like, let me set you up with Z-Way. I know another 19 year old. I only hang out with 19 year olds these days. So I want to introduce you to someone, but yeah, he drove me home and it was really cute. I had my dog

bernice because my friend was dog sitting and he drove me home and it's like a 40 minute drive and uh yeah it was really funny i was like he's like i'll think i can give you a ride anytime you need one you have a new driver in whistler i know i have a new 19 year old driver that's something i would totally do well and he's not legal drinking age so he's definitely likely to be sober that's he doesn't drink at all we talked about lots of drugs and alcohol on the way home yeah he doesn't a lot of kids don't drink now it's weird yeah it's funny they're all straight edge. They're not into it because they think alcohol is like, you know, it's seen its finest hour. There's so many other avenues to explore with mushrooms and microdosing. And I think people

are more on that train. Yes. Because these days think that alcohol is boomer technology is what they call it. And I think that's just great. Am I a boomer? I'm the opposite of a boomer, but I am a boomer probably. No, I think I'm younger than a boomer. By the way, Catherine, I like that merch hat, that Dear Chelsea hat. Thank you. I needed a black hat today and here we are that's so cute where's our merch at chelsea handler.com chelsea handler.com okay quick shout out to merch okay anna so you know okay did you get the lowdown of what we're doing today we're basically gonna have fun with our callers they call in for real shit and we give them real advice i can't wait i don't know i've listened okay great all right so we need to take

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Listen to Pro Society on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. See you between the pages. Okay, and we're back. We are back. We're back. Okay, Anna, these are all going to be centered around things that you have something to do with or you've talked about. And so, okay. Are you comfortable with questions about anal penetration, Anna? Absolutely. Yeah. Perfect. There is one about porn. So that's why I was like, wait, they're not, they're not all about you, but did you know, I post my ass all over Instagram. I know that you

wake up and do anal every morning. I mean, anyone worth their salt does that. That's the first thing on the menu. I promised my Instagram followers when Pennsylvania turned blue, I would do 10 photos of my ass on Instagram. And it did. And I was like, I love when we can combine politics and sex that's my favorite two of my favorite topics interpersonal relationships well i like the emotional psychodrama that goes with it too but i love sex and i love politics there you go you would love that post it was 10 yeah i think my ass turned pennsylvania blue i did it it's like the opposite of blue balls it's like blue ass Smurf ass.

Well, very appropriately, this email starts, am I the asshole? Probably. Zan says, dear Chelsea, am I the asshole? That's what I'm needing reassurance on. I was in a relationship for six months. We started talking in May, met in June, and became official in August. We ended New Year's Eve. In short, he felt as though I was not integrating into his life.

The first incident came in the form of a wedding. In October, he told me his cousin was getting married in January, it was a big moment for the family, and he wanted me to attend. I told him it made me feel uncomfortable to meet the entire family so soon into the relationship. I felt steps were being skipped, such as meeting individual members beforehand, and given that it's a destination wedding, the cost included felt unreasonable. He did not take it well. Ultimately, I bought a ticket, but he never forgave me for hesitating.

The second incident involves his friends. Being 33, I've phased out of the 20-somethings enjoyment of alcohol. Him being 26, hasn't. Their idea of a good time, as to be expected, always involves drinking. Because of this, I don't fully enjoy the moments we're all together, and when I asked him if there was ever a time he and his friends got together and didn't drink, he couldn't really give me an answer. But he said I was being selfish and uncompromising.

I feel like I am and was being rational, but his voice in my head and the accompanying guilt make me question myself. Am I the asshole? Zan. Is Zan a gay man? Zan, yes, yes. Oh, no, Zan, you're not being an asshole at all. That's like good. You saw the red flags, you identified them. You hesitated when you didn't want to go to the wedding for the right reasons. There's nothing wrong with being like circumspect about meeting people's families or being overwhelmed and also the cost that was put into it. No, I don't think you were an asshole at all. I think you were actually had boundaries and were

overstating them and you were being told that your boundaries aren't going to be respected. Yeah. Six or seven months. Cause it sounds like, you know, they started talking in May and this wedding was in January, like six or seven months kind of feels like plenty of time to meet the family. And I get that it's like overwhelming being all at once, but I think it's okay to be uncomfortable, but that feels like pretty appropriate timeline. Yes, it is appropriate. But if the person doesn't want to do that, then the person doesn't want to do that. You don't, You can't make someone go and you're going to meet my whole family all in one fell swoop. I can imagine a lot of people that would make a lot very, first of all, I wouldn't fucking

run towards that wedding because I love shit like that, but I have a different personality type, right? Like I get it. Like if that's overwhelming to some people, some people have serious like social anxiety and whatever. I don't know. I think it's valid to not do anything you don't want to do. I agree with you 1000%.

I think it's like you were, you were honest with this person. If they made you feel bad, then that's on them. If you're like, hey, I don't know how I feel about meeting your whole family. That's OK. You know, and then, you know, it's not going to work out, I guess, if they can't understand where you your boundaries are. I made my boyfriend meet my parents three weeks into dating. So I'm no one.

I'm bad. Yeah. I never have any like rules around that. But also when you ask if you're an asshole, usually the assholes aren't asking that question. Yeah. OK, so we'll problem solved. OK, good luck. The assholes that Zan Zan Zan Zan.

Oh, and I wanted to address the drinking thing. That's ridiculous. If Zan doesn't want to have a drink, who gives a shit? Yeah. No one should be in the D.A.R.E. program where they're like, come on, have a drink. Are you a loser? You can't hang out with us? No.

Yeah, that's stupid too. Right, right. Yeah, and I think that is just sort of a clear sign that you're not in the same place in life as this other guy. Well, thanks, Zan. I'm glad Zan got out, I guess. Yeah. Okay, what's next? Next up, our next one is a caller, and this is Elena.

Elena is currently in Puerto Rico. She's on vacation, but she's calling in. Dear Chelsea, I heard you answer a question about porn in your last interview with Z-Way, and it brought up another question for me. I haven't felt comfortable talking about it because the second a woman brings up porn in any questioning way, I feel like we're labeled as prudes. I'm not against using porn. I completely believe in and support healthy porn consumption,

but I recently found out that my boyfriend of two years has several OnlyFans subscriptions, paying for these girls monthly, even messaging them, talking to them, and tipping them for custom nude sets. Ugh. To me, this feels adjacent to cheating, though obviously not physically. It feels like a betrayal, and I was really hurt by it. When we talked about it, he said he didn't think it was a big deal at all and, quote, people in healthy relationships do this all the time. It felt like a shitty response, honestly.

My gut says it's not normal or fine. To me, this crosses a line for me with the payment and messaging. Looking at a potential future with him as a possible husband makes me really nervous after this, and I don't want to deal with this when I'm six months pregnant with his kid. I've gotten mixed advice. Women tell me to run, some men say give him another chance, and other men even say this type of porn consumption is totally normal and natural.

I'd love to hear your advice on this. I so appreciate your show and all of your advice, Elena. Hi, Elena. Hi. Hi. Hi, this is Anna. She's our special guest today, Anna Roisman. Hi, Elena.

I'm with you. I don't like that. I'm not into that. Payings, messaging. Yeah, that is like, that's flirting. If it weren't an Oli fan site and he was messaging anyone on the side, wouldn't you be put off by that? That is kind of cheating. It's flirting with another person when you're in supposedly a monogamous, does he know he's

in a monogamous relationship? Yes. And I had even asked him after I found this out whether or not he wanted to continue a monogamous relationship or do something else. And he doubled down. He said, yes, I would, I want to maintain a monogamous relationship. Of course, because he's getting to watch porn and flirt and tip other women. No, it's like, it's icky.

I mean, listen, I might be old fashioned, but I don't think so. I think I'm pretty fucking with it. And it's like that, especially even if he wasn't paying them and he was DMing some girls flirting with them, that would feel bad to you. And for sex, like watching them, whatever they do on OnlyFans, right? Is it all sex or is it just like sometimes you show like your vagina? What happens? I don't have any OnlyFans accounts that I follow.

I've been trying to get on it, but I have someone blocked me. No, no. I am all for the girls on OnlyFans and so support them. But and so does your boyfriend. So that's nice. very much very much it's mainly honestly just been like nudes from them it hasn't been like custom videos or anything like that yeah but it's all gross yeah it's like i don't know i want to like support his desires and all that no no no that's that's not elena you're too nice you're

being a little naive and you're being a little bit too nice you don't need to support his porn interest right it's not like he's picking up the guitar or like learning another language like that's not your responsibility a and like yes of course kudos to anyone who has an OnlyFans account but you want your boyfriend or your partner like that doesn't feel good to you clearly because you're calling and it's just icky behavior and there's nothing no no I think you need to move on from him and also you need to have like a little bit more a better understanding of what you are and what you're not willing to like put up with within a relationship yeah right I also wanted to say when you called in you you gave this whole description of like porn and porn

watching porn putting on porn I mean porn I'm gonna say you know it's art right it's a form of art in a lot of ways but in OnlyFans where you're having a connection with someone who's sending you nudes personally and you paid them for it that's a different that's not necessarily yeah you know that's totally I mean people people are dating online today you know that's the same thing as like having these like online relationships i don't know i think it's it's a different level than like him if you walked in you're like he's watching porn again on his computer that's different than paying for someone to message him definitely i have just asked different people's advice on this as i mentioned in my email and you know a lot of women say the same thing run get out

a lot of men have mixed advice. Like some say, I'm so, so sorry. I'm staying at a friend's house and the cat is, I'm so sorry. First of all, stop apologizing. You need to like boost up your self-esteem. You're too nice. That's a very nice quality, but you need to have a little bit more like gumption and a little bit more. You are like a beautiful, kind, caring individual who is thinking about a person and you need to be thinking about yourself. Actually, you're giving him a little bit too much credit in this area. This is really about how you feel. It doesn't make you feel good. So it's not going to work for you. Yeah. Right. Thank you. Yeah. It's not going to work for you. Yeah. You don't need to support his habits of messaging women for naked

photos. Yeah. I had asked him like a year into us dating. We've been dating for almost two and a half years and about a year and I asked him because I was having some feelings I wasn't sure if he I just had a sense there was something going on OnlyFans wise so I asked him are you you know on OnlyFans no judgment it's fine but I just want to know for me for my future and he was really adamant about it he said no absolutely not why would I pay for something like that So I think it's more frustrating, too, that he lied about it. Yeah. And you gave him an opportunity and then he blew it.

So he lied to you. So, no, you deserve better than this. This isn't going to be good enough for you. Period. So are you ready to break up with him? Because you should. Thank you, Chelsea. I've honestly been confused by a lot of advice that I've gotten.

Like men say, it's just porn. It's fine. And actually, it's more ethical because it's from only fans. like you're controlling where the money goes. But I think, I think there's a good percentage of women on OnlyFans who are still trafficked. Like, you know. Yeah. That sounds like guys who love OnlyFans. Only men would say that it's ethical. He's going to cheat anyway. So it's better that he's just cheating with someone online. Like whatever. Don't listen to men and give advice to women about fucking anything. You need to listen to women. And right now you

need to listen to us. I can see this picture very clearly. I'm sorry that you wasted two and a half years of your life, but there is somebody out there for you that is going to appreciate and love you. Actually, it's a sea of men. They're everywhere. Everywhere you go, there they are. And you're going to be stronger because of this situation. You're going to know what you want, what you don't want. And you need to also use your voice, like your voice. I want you to use that as a tool for yourself. And I want you to write that down. Like you need to get stronger in your voice. And I mean that actually audibly. And, you know, you need to like do some vocal exercises in the morning to like ground yourself because you're being, this is what I see when I

look at you, somebody who's just like in the air that is like kind of being directed, like you're like a hot air balloon that it doesn't know where to land because you're kind of being directed by someone who doesn't have your best interest. And you want to be grounded in who you are. You want to be a woman, like you're a woman and you're powerful and you have all of these amazing things going for you in your life. And I don't know half of them, but I already know that's true because it's true for every one of us. And this outward focus on that, no, no, no. I don't like that at all. And you're better than that. Thank you, Chelsea. To Chelsea's point about you need to listen to women about this, it's not because women are always right, although we usually are.

It's because the women in your life are echoing what is coming up for you, what's coming from your gut and what your gut is telling you. And the men in your life are trying to dissuade you from that. It sounds like the women are telling you exactly how you're feeling and that's why you should listen to them. Thank you all so much. This is really helpful. It's so great to get your advice on this. Thank you. Well, I'll be thinking about you, honey. Follow up with us, okay? Let us know how it goes. Let us know when you break up with your boyfriend because you will and keep us posted. We'll have you on our matchmaking segment. Yes. Oh, that's fun. Yeah. We'll put you on our matchmaking segment. I love that. Thank you so much. Okay. Bye, Elena. Good luck. Bye.

I love men. It's better. It's more ethical to watch porn when you're... It's fucking so stupid. I love... My brother over Christmas this year, he was like, Chelsea, let me... I go, no, no, let me tell you. Don't tell me anything. And don't start any sentence with let me. No, no, no. I don't let you anymore. Don't talk to me like that. But I think this is such an interesting question. Brad and I, my husband and I were just having this discussion the other day, we were watching 90 Day Fiancé and there was a similar situation. And it's like, where is the line? And I think the line has to be like, when you start having direct conversations, like it's not just porn. When you start like, I mean, yeah, giving

someone money. But even if you're not giving them money, if someone's sending you nudes in the DMs, like, no, that's not just like, this is for fun. And so I can jerk off. This is something more. That's yeah, that's too personalized. Yeah, I got mad at my boyfriend in the pandemic. He had a weekly dnd zoom game dungeons and dragons i was like this is worse than porn i would feel better if you were actually like meeting a hot girl and jerking out i'm like you and your your 14 other like high school friends they're all like men in their 40s and they're like playing characters on their zooms i can't i cannot with men and video games i mean it is a boner killer it is a boner killer i was like have you heard of only fans i mean fuck that's a boner lift your upper and this

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Listen to Pro Society on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. See you between the pages. Well, our next question comes from Javi, and he'll be joining us on the phone as well. He is currently unemployed, and Anna, I thought that this would be a perfect question for you since you had a podcast called Unemployed,

and you know about career transitions. Yes. Javi says, Dear Chelsea, I'm currently working as a reality TV producer. And while I love the work, the short term contracts have been causing me some anxiety. Additionally, I had to move back to Miami to care for my sick mother. He was living in L.A., which added another layer of complexity to my life. I admire the stick-with-it-ness and resilience in the entertainment industry you have, and I'm curious to know if you have any advice for someone like me who feels at a crossroads. How do you navigate the uncertainty of short contracts, and do you have any recommendations for building a backup plan or creating other income streams? Furthermore, given my current circumstances in my life, I'm contemplating whether I should consider moving back to LA

or explore other options. I'd appreciate any insights or wisdom you could share based on your own experiences. Javi. Hi, Javi. Hey, how's it going? Good. How are you? I'm good. I'm good. I'm chilling. Okay. So, okay. Break it down. Well, Anna, this'll be good for you too, because we're all like that in this business. That's what it's like. So we can relate for sure. It's like job to job, to job, to job, no job security ever, ever, ever. No 401k, no paid time off, none of that and and right now that's sounding like mighty tempting it feels like i'm missing out on something you know you mean with by not having a 401k yeah yeah exactly yeah or just like steady income throughout the year right now katherine knows i'm unemployed i've worked it out where i have

two shows that i work on that kind of fill up nine months out of the year and now these three months january to march i'm just kind of hanging out you know uh and applying for gigs and crossing my fingers but nothing yet have you been doing it for a long time i've been working in in reality tv for like five years or so producing like two ish years yeah yeah exactly okay i want to say mazel tov to you for having a job nine months in a creative industry nine months out of the year i'm like holy shit that's like teachers you know they get like a summer off i guess i'm like you're kind of living their schedule but I'm like if I was employed for nine months this year I'd be like you know on a beach somewhere I'd be in Miami with you no not to I understand though that this lull

three months is it feels slow and you have no idea what to do but yeah I feel slow and then the demons start you know creeping back in and telling me that I'm never gonna have a stable anything never gonna be able to buy a house never gonna you know well that's not true that's not true those are your thoughts like that's you're just like shadow self telling you you're that's what all of us have and experience when we don't have a lot going on is our voices saying, are you good enough? Are you going to make this happen? That's bullshit. So first and foremost, we need you to spend these three months that you have off in a very much more productive way. And you sound like you have, since you have a steady income for those nine months out of the year,

before you have something more that you're working maybe 11 months out of the year. I mean, it's a pretty good gig if you can swing working nine months out of the year and keep it that way, i would just say but you need to put money aside in every paycheck first of all for your own 401k for your own you have to start all of that shit yourself and because then you're an island taking care of yourself and you're feeding yourself before you put yourself out there anymore and there's a lot of self-esteem that comes with managing your money in a very thoughtful futuristic way you're preparing for the future you can't just like burn through everything and it feels very good and you're going to feel a lot safer and like grounded and protected when

you are looking out for yourself. And there's all sorts of accounts you could drop and they can take money from your paycheck. You can put it in yourself. Like you can design it however you want, but you need to start doing that anyway. You know, you're a grown man and you should be preparing for your future. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. I have a Roth IRA and I do have a good amount of savings, but it's like, I don't know. I mean, I don't know if it's like the Cuban, I'm Cuban and the trauma of coming from parents who came from nothing. Like, I'm like, you gotta keep saving more you gotta keep saving more you know like but i hear you a lot of people feel that way like a lot of people feel exactly the way that you do it's not it has nothing to

do with being cuban it has to do with the human experience you know you're i mean not many people go through life going i'm gonna be great this whole time everything's gonna go my way yeah true true what were you gonna say anna i was gonna say well yeah as a jew you know my parents they they i feel sorry for them that i did this you know what i mean i'm always broke and i'm always i feel for you because this is where I am today this morning even but I was gonna say you're a producer and you don't have to put yourself in a little category of just a reality tv producer because that's a hard job you're a producer you could produce you know how many people need producers like on a podcast or for a short film or you know just put your name out there yeah

commercials advertising even social media people need people to produce videos for like it's there's so much more work I think as a producer because you're obviously organized you know how to like book a place or guests or whatnot you know like you know how to get people together so i think just exercise that and you might find something that you like you're like wait reality tv that's so of the past like look at me i'm running you know six podcasts now i always think take whatever skills you enjoy because you obviously went in a creative route you chose not to go into like a corporate job like take those skills and just go and try something else with it because i think you seem like you could do that thank you thank you yeah i also have this like feeling that like

i've got to be out in la you know that's where i kind of like set up my like network of people i lived there for two years and like i wrote in the email like i've been back home with mom who's been sick i have my 93 year old grandfather here who i'm also like helping out you know making the doctor's appointments and whatnot and my dad is a truck driver who's gone half the time and so i feel like a little bit of uh paul to be home right now here in miami and i'm sure there's a ton of done work here but again my network is kind of like in LA so I'm kind of like again at this like crossroads but first of all there you can you can reach out to your network in LA and I guarantee you they're going to have connections in Miami you can reach out to you there's so many proactive

things you can be doing and I think being there for your family is so important and meaningful that it's great that you're doing that we spend so much time thinking about what we're not doing instead of thinking about what we're doing like yeah you are doing something very profound and meaningful by being available for your family. That is meaningful. And I would choose that any day over the week over, you know, any of this business. The reality is you have to work, but you can have it both ways. Like everything is possible. You just have to actually put in the work, which might be a little bit of like trying to figure out who would have a connection in Miami. And yes, I love Anna's advice about trying different things because yeah, you could

get a couple of days on another job doing something completely different on a modeling shoot or a print uh shoot campaign and and it'd be like oh i could make a couple i could do this five days a month when i'm here in miami or 20 days a month you could find other avenues where you're making money you're still in the industry you want to be in but you're getting another look at kind of like various different parts of the industry yeah and they're gonna love that you have la experience on your resume they're gonna be like oh wow he's the real deal okay he lived in LA and produce reality shows. That's big in Miami. I want you to see these three months not as downtime, we are not making money, but we all know how busy a producer's life can be

when you're working. So I want you to take these three months and think bigger. Not what job could I be doing, but what's my next career move? I mean, maybe you are at the point where it's hard to save. But you know what? I think you need to be looking at this more creatively. This is your moment to think about what show do I maybe want to pitch? What ideas do I have? How can I level up my career to the point where I am making enough money that it's easy to put money into a 401k? I would also say a book I'd recommend for you is You Are a Badass at Making Money by Jen Sincero, who's been on the podcast before. I thought I wrote that book. Did I write it? You're very good at it.

I need to read this book too. No, it's great. It's kind of less about like what specifically to do and more about changing your mindset around money and fixing, especially the scarcity thing that you have going on. You've got like very much a scarcity mindset and turning that into like training your mind to think in terms of abundance. You got to start meditating too. Like I say this to almost everybody, but it fucking makes such a difference to just constantly

like there's all these mantras, guided mantras about you. And there's, I promise you, if you meditate for like five days in a row, you're going to just start to feel a lightness and a groundedness that you didn't feel because you're actually giving yourself that time to surround yourself with whatever imagery like calms you or lights or whatever your, whatever makes you feel protected and like just visualizing what is your safest environment and telling yourself like, you've got this. You're the reason why you've gotten this far to begin with. You're on your own team. So just make sure that you're always working for that team. Yeah, absolutely. I used to meditate a lot and I need to pick it back up. You're absolutely right. And I think I need to go to

therapy again. I know you would say that. Yeah. I mean, everyone should be in therapy. I just got off the phone with my therapist this morning, you guys. I just had a nice one-hour session with my new therapist. I fucking love this woman. Yes. Send me her contact. Okay. And right now you have the time. I wanted to say one other thing. You're never going to look back at this time and regret being with your family. You know, like in the future, you'll you'll look back and be like, I didn't need to do that dumb gig in LA for like a weekend and like, you know, stress myself out. Like you'll always look back at loving the time with your family. So absolutely. No, you're so right. And just remember, like, I always like to think open instead of

contract. Like when you're thinking about career stuff, and like dabbling in different things. don't think you only do one thing think oh what else can i do that i don't know that i can do yet like what else is there and be very open to all the possibilities and maybe even if it's a job opportunity like a couple days work here and there on some sort of production that isn't reality based or that you're not that familiar with even if it doesn't sound appealing like i would beseech you to just try it you know you don't know what all the stuff that's out there that you're gonna like until you do it and you can cross it off and go that's not for me this is for me yeah it's that improv rule uh yes and yes yeah yeah so ariana grande's latest song oh yeah hey what is that

what is it i think i listened to it yesterday yes and yes and there you go there you go okay i didn't know she went to second city this is traumatizing for people in comedy why did she i liked ariana grande until this song i'm like i can't i can't handle it some trauma there yeah yeah all right well thank you all so so so much i'm taking this all to heart okay and ariana's message as well okay bye honey take care great javi's taken care of wonderful yeah this is like i like what you said anna about like it's like a teacher like this is the time he gets to focus on himself do some soul searching all that stuff oh my god i wish i could work nine months out of the year i was like that sounds amazing unemployed what i'm sorry we're gonna

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stories about what's taken from them they're stories about what it takes to make it out alive Listen to The Survivor Files with Elizabeth Smart on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If your bookshelf and your For You page are equally important to your personality, welcome home. This is Prose Society, the weekly podcast that's part book club, part group chat for thought daughters, pop culture obsessives, and anyone who thinks Pride and Prejudice and Love Island deserve the same level of discourse. I'm Eli Rallo, and every week we're connecting the dots between books, the internet, and the conversations everyone can't stop having. I'm going to have to look up this story. I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed. From bestselling authors and your favorite book talk creators to the latest pop culture moments,

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We're back. Well, our next question comes from Brittany, and this one's just an email. Brittany says, Dear Chelsea, I work in a male-dominated environment, and it's all too common to hear about committed men having affairs on their partners. I recently learned about a guy from work. Let's call him John, who was sleeping with a girl from my work. Let's call her Jane. Neither John nor Jane are friends of mine. However, I was part of a wedding party this summer with John's wife. Let's call her Sam. At this point, I knew about John and Jane's affair, but I was under the impression that it was short-lived and had been

over for a few months before this wedding. I was not friends with Sam and didn't feel like it was my place to say anything, but then I had a great bonding experience with Sam at the wedding and we said we should keep in touch. And I recently learned that John and Jane's affair is still ongoing. I feel terrible for Sam. She's a wonderful person, working mother of five, and I feel more inclined to say something at this point. But I'm still not sure if I'm the right person to do it or that I should be getting involved at all. I just know that if it were me in this situation, i'd want to know that my husband was having an affair so should i tell sam or should i stay out of it best regards britney and i'll let you go first on this really yeah i will i i feel like

you have to tell her i don't know unless it's been so long you think she even knows i don't know obviously she's writing in right it's it's it's on her chest and it's and she knows that deep down she probably should tell her but it wants to feel like well maybe if i don't life will move on it'll be better this brought back i literally i'm like oh my god i had a friend and i knew her boyfriend she had said i think he's cheating on me cheating on me and literally two years later i met a friend in la and she was the one he was cheating on and i i connected these dots and i was like oh oh my god do i tell my friend like i know she didn't know who it was and i'm like oh my god someone i know that's awful but and i think about it still i i and i ended up saying it after

everyone was broken. No one was with the sky anymore. But I was like, yeah, if you know something and you respect this person, I would say, you know, be there for them and support them. And I would tell them maybe I'm I don't know, it's going to be hard either way. I couldn't agree with you more. Listen, as a woman, there needs to be more honesty in this world, not less honesty. As a woman, it is imperative that we are honest with each other because we have been short shrifted our entire existence and lied to. And as a woman, I would tell a stranger if I knew something about her life because I would want her to know and she can do listen it's a it's a new friend it's not your close friend so whatever if she doesn't want to

be friends with you after then that's fine too yeah but I think this is an opportunity for you to show up for someone in a way that is meaningful because it is not fair for her to have five children and a husband who's having an affair while she's fucking doing everything it's just not fair and I don't think it's in being an interloper when you're telling someone the truth And I've had friendships end because of telling the truth, but I will never stop telling people the truth, and I will never stop telling women the truth. There's a feeling inside of me, and I think many of us can relate to it, I'm sure I know both of you are going to agree with me, that there is a sisterhood, and we all owe it to

each other to think of each other first before some guy. We need to be on each other's team, and that requires sometimes difficult conversations, but moreover, honesty. there is no way you can go wrong with being honest yeah and it'll be hard at first but you know she'll be better for it like it will she'll learn to handle this it's not gonna go or she might be like fuck you and i don't want to hear this and i don't believe you and it might ruin your relationship but i still would do it i would i would say it's more important to be honest do you think there are any safeguards that she could take in telling because she works with this

guy like my one concern is that this is going to affect her career negatively because she'll be known as like the person who outed john like for having this affair yeah i mean that's gonna be an issue but they're just colleagues right yeah it's not like he's her boss or something yeah not not as far as i mean yeah i don't know you know when you get into like don't tell them i told you like that is all very yeah it's like it's irrelevant it's almost like yeah, I'm telling on you and you're going to hate me. So you're going to just have to pony up to that. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to watch this happen. It's gross. I don't want to see it. And I think sometimes when we're carrying the weight of someone else's secrets, we don't give

enough weight to how that affects us. I know someone who kept a very similar secret to this for years, for a long, long time about something that was going on. And it really, truly impacted her health in a in a huge way so i think we can't really underestimate how how impactful carrying someone else's secrets can be yeah yeah i mean she lost me when she said she had five kids like she's home caring for five kids and he's out at the holiday party like hooking up with someone like stakes are raised yes yeah and i just don't understand these women either that have affairs with men who have five children and have a wife at home like what are you telling yourself that this is a good this is a good karma for you and for there's there's children involved like it's

just it's gross so yeah anyway Brittany time to tattle okay Anna Roisman you've been such a delight Anna tell everyone how they can watch you find you all of your shit thanks you can find me anywhere online at Anna Roisman a-n-n-a-r-o-i-s-m-a-n I post a lot of dumb celebrity impressions and stuff I have fun doing it you know especially when they like it when they don't like it it's a little touch and go but you know for the most part do you get a lot of feedback from celebrities who don't like it oh you know I used to get blocked from Instagram a lot I get warnings a lot and I think someone was reporting me which was scary and that's Hilaria Baldwin and I'm okay with it now you know Hilaria Baldwin what a mess people think I'm her on TikTok it's a little scary that

was an accident uh we do look alike i guess you can say but yeah oh and i wanted to say uh you can listen to my podcast it's called big wigs my friend andrea and i do impressions together we do chris and courtney together and we shoot the shit and talk about things that are in pop culture and we have fun hearing you two like do chris and courtney together at each other is hysterical thank you okay well that's our show for today and i hope i see you again i'll see you when i'm in New York next. I would love that. I'll be in L.A. also. I'll find you. I can't wait to go out with Jamie. OK, well, good luck with everything. I love watching your success. You're going to be crushing it for a long time. So, yes, I'll see you again soon. And thanks for coming on the

podcast. Thanks for having me. You're the best. Yeah, for sure. Thanks, Anna. Bye, guys. Thank you. Bye. OK, bye. OK, so show dates coming up. Canadian show dates. These are for Canadians, guys. I'm coming February 9th. I'll be in Winnipeg. Victoria, BC is March 8th. Then I will be in Salt Lake City, April 4th and Denver, April 5th. I'm coming to Arizona at Maricopa, April 12th. April 13th, I'll be in Brooks, California at the Cache Creek Casino. And then I'm going to be in Santa Rosa Sunday, April 14th. I'm coming to Richmond, Virginia, Baltimore, Maryland on April 20th. Gary, Indiana, Prior Lake, Minnesota,

coming to Oklahoma, Norman, Oklahoma, on May 3rd and May 4th. I will be in Thackerville, Oklahoma for my rescheduled WinStar World Casino date. And I want to make sure that I give a shout-out

to our show for Netflix is a Joke Festival. I put together a show with some of my favorite comics. It's May 11th at the YouTube Theater downtown, which I've never performed in, so that's going to be fun.

It's pretty big. I have Matteo Lane. I have Fortune Feimster performing. I have Sam Jay is on the show and Vanessa Gonzalez. So we, it is called a Jew, two Mexicans. No, a Jew, two gays, and a Mexican. No, a Jew, three gays, and a Mexican. So it's political correctness at its finest.

And then I will be in Verona, New York on May 26th. And then I'm coming to Australia in July. And New Zealand, July 5th, Auckland. And I'm coming to Wellington, New Zealand, Melbourne, Brisbane, Sydney. So those are all my dates that are up and available. So get your tickets. I can't wait to see you. Yeah, that's it.

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