Life Will Be the Death of Me with Chelsea Handler - Minisode: Thick Skin with Chelsea + Catherine

Episode Date: February 21, 2025

Chelsea + Catherine tackle internet trolls, how to set boundaries in business, and their thoughts on social media’s favorite Pimple Popper.   * Pre-order a signed copy of Chelsea’s new book HERE! * Need some advice from Chelsea? Email us at [e-mail] * Executive Producer Catherine Law Edited & Engineered by Brad Dickert * * * * * The views and opinions expressed are solely those of the Podcast author, or individuals participating in the Podcast, and do not represent the opinions of iHeartMedia or its employees.  This Podcast should not be used as medical advice, mental health advice, mental health counseling or therapy, or as imparting any health care recommendations at all.  Individuals are advised to seek independent medical, counseling advice and/or therapy from a competent health care professional with respect to any medical condition, mental health issues, health inquiry or matter, including matters discussed on this Podcast. Guests and listeners should not rely on matters discussed in the Podcast and shall not act or shall refrain from acting based on information contained in the Podcast without first seeking independent medical advice.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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going to physical therapy, and trying to do some sort of exercise. Then icing my arm about 15 times a day. Do I sound like I'm complaining? Because I am. I'm fucking complaining. I mean, it's hard not to when you feel like shit, you know? Yeah. Some days I feel really good, and then on Saturday I really overdid it. I was, like, feeling really good. My doctor took out my stitches. I went to PT then I went for lunch and then I went for a walk and then I was like oh I'll go

to this dinner party and then I was at this dinner party and like 30 minutes into it I was like I was in pain agony I'm like oh no I fucked something up but I just overdid it I always overdo it yeah yeah gotta rest gotta rest yeah and then I have a nice little nurse that comes to my house every night and puts gives me an injection and infusion for my arm to cut my infection and uh yeah that's a lot it's a lot it is i feel like i'm in a nursing home your own home is a nursing home now well i have a response from one of our episodes and then we have a quick caller okay great let's do it so i just thought this was a cute email margie says just listening to your show with hunter mcgrady and i think everyone spoke about having a piece of pencil

lead graphite stuck in their skin did you have one as well no my sister did oh brad definitely does i just so happen to have watched an episode of dr pimple popper and there was a woman on her show who had a piece of pencil in her hand for 40 plus years apparently i'm guessing it's gone now it was amazing check it out are you into that stuff like the dr pimple popper stuff i don't like that i can't watch that no i've seen it i know what you're talking yeah but this was the part i thought was very nice margie says keep doing what you're doing it has changed my life perspective about myself and how i relate to the world listening to you speak truth and strength with no apologies about your place on this planet as a woman is infectious no more making myself smaller i've always felt

that i was actually six feet tall and ripped stuck in my petite five foot one inch frame now i know i am and i'm gonna love my truth keep kicking ass margie is this what do you mean she got a pencil removed because of our episode is this what she's talking about no i think she's just inspired by you like just in general oh i'm like does this have to do with the pencil what there was a bit of a shift in there oh okay well great yes yes live out loud everybody live out loud and we have some callers as well we have a couple calling in oh a couple that i met uh that you met at the chelsea when you were performing at the cosmo my vegas residency everybody my next date is march 21st well they're brad and leslie and leslie is actually the one writing but both

of them will be joining us so she says hey Chelsea I'm Leslie and my husband Brad and I met you recently when you performed at the Chelsea in Las Vegas we got to say hi after the show I'm a second generation Pilates instructor meaning my teacher studied directly with Joe Pilates I've been teaching since 2008 I started traveling the world teaching Pilates about the same time that I met my husband a few years later he convinced me to start online Pilates classes.com we just call at OPC and then joined me full-time to run the company in 2019. For so many years, OPC was me doing my thing. Everything was my responsibility. They were my clients and my problems. I've always answered my own DMs, done my own socials, basically all the marketing, and I still do.

I've been the face of the company even as it's grown beyond only me doing the teaching. Because I still do the marketing, it often feels like I'm on the front line of customer service or on bad days dealing with internet trolls, I know you know how that goes. I'm really lucky. I love working with my husband. Brad is an amazing CEO and has built an incredible team. I'll admit that during the first couple of years, going from me and my business to we and our business was tricky. When something wouldn't go as planned, I tended to default to shouldering the burden and not sharing it. It's gotten easier, but sometimes I still struggle with this and I know it's frustrating for Brad. How do you lean more on your team so that the business issues,

obstacles and trolls don't feel so personal leslie and brad hi guys hi hi did we meet at the cosmo we did meet at the cosmo what a great memory oh i think i grabbed your butt too long though for our selfie but oh that's okay people are always grabbing me i'm not somebody who takes offense to that but i would not recommend grabbing other women's butts i'm made of teflon um so are you guys talking about your dynamic? This is sounds like a you question, Catherine, like you, Catherine, my ex producer has a very similar dynamic with her husband. He's there. He does our sound on our podcast. And she's the producer on our podcast. So they work closely together and not just on this podcast on other podcasts. Right, right. I heard he's got a cool name.

Yeah, he does. His name is also Brad. I'm not gonna dignify that with laughter. so i mean for us i think it's really about division of labor because this was your personal instagram before it was the business instagram correct yeah yeah and it was always me yeah as the just the person teaching and then several years ago brought other teachers on um and we brought more team on and it's been amazing and wonderful and i think the hard part is that even when i know that the customer service team is amazing even when i know i can submit this. I'm like, here's where you go. Just chat to them over here. Sometimes it feels like I'm letting people down. Do you know what I mean? Like it's not that the business is letting them

down. I take it personally, which is not probably not the healthiest thing. Right, right. When you're a business owner, you set up systems for yourself so that you can offload a lot of the burden. And I think that that maybe is like part of what's difficult here. Tell me, Brad, when you read stuff that's like, let's say it's from a troll, something nasty. When you read stuff that's about leslie does that still feel like a personal attack does it get to you personally oh uh sometimes like one one time we had somebody particularly you know out there and that was really difficult for everybody and the whole team was also aware of it and we had to make like a team announcement like hey if this person contacts you but more often than not it's what did they say i mean about

pilates i know girl i mean it's not really about the pilates it's really funny you know uh we got one in last week, which I just laughed at because I had a birthday and I decided I have no Fs to give anymore. Like I'm just going to go with it. But like I wrote an email about like ways to work around what's going on with social media if you don't like what's going on. I didn't even get specific. And someone's like, so you were with censorship then? And I was like, okay. I just told the team, I was like, we're not even responding. Just block and bless. Like that didn't dignify anything. Yeah. You really have to like have a little bit of a thicker skin in general for life it doesn't do you any good to like actually pay heed to any of those comments

regardless of whether they're about you personally or about the business like you really it's it's kind of like a necessary thing to be able to have a thicker skin not only for you for your company for the other people that are working with you and together with you to demonstrate to them because you are a leader and that requires leadership and leadership is not somebody who's going through their comments and getting upset about it like that's just not that's not part of the equation you can't there's no shortcut for saving time but saving money is simple just combine your car and home insurance with bel-air direct and save get a quote at bel-air direct.com when i was 14 years old i was kidnapped and held captive for nine months

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get so this particular person just got an army together it's also a small community so it's not like it's not like they just disappear you know they're still very much connected to the rest of the community too so you know in that kind of case it was delicate but i think you i like the idea of a thicker skin um so i just guess like were you born with a thick skin like how did you get a thick skin because you do do things all the time that I'm sure piss a lot of people off, even though I think they're hilarious. And you know, like, how did you just start to go? I'm not going to take that on. I mean, it's a practice, you have to like practice it, you're wasting your time on someone's negative energy. So you kind of have to look at it like even if you're looking at

it in a business sense, like this does not help us succeed any further. This does not help us move the ball any further or closer to where we're going. So therefore, it's not it's not helpful, and treat it as something that is just so such a like a business problem not even a personal thing you know what i mean just remove your emotions from from the whole subject because these people have nothing to do they're sitting at home writing negative comments on people's instagram page i've never once sat and wrote a negative comment on anyone's instagram page because that's not how i spend my time so don't give people who spend their time like that any credit or credence or anything. Just like you have to practice not giving a shit about what people are saying about

you, whether it's good or bad. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Because, for example, like when we do these episodes, like minisodes or regular episodes or whatever, we all have some people that I didn't really like that episode. And then I'll have 10 people email in and be like, that episode was life changing. I loved what that person had to say. I loved what Chelsea said about X, Y, Z. Like you do have to remember that like just because one person is like maybe a crazy person or maybe just like something wasn't for them like that's fine people feel like they need to give you feedback but like you don't actually need that and then there's me who pays zero attention to any of the feedback that we ever get on the podcast at all and we're in our

fifth season so there you go because you know what you like and you know how you want to operate and you're doing that the way you're and i'm not just you know you have to be successful like the podcast has to be successful to go on it doesn't just continue because i'm a celebrity or whatever Like we actually have to get listeners, but I also don't ever get consumed with what other people's thoughts like, and it's a good practice in life. Like start practicing it in your business and start letting it bleed through in your personal life. And it just, there's a sense of freedom that people are missing by, by paying such close

attention to other people's thoughts about them. I will also say like, because you can't ever avoid the trolls and the noise completely, like yes you have to get a thicker skin but also maybe there's a system that you set up where brad if you're affected by this stuff like maybe it's not you maybe it's somebody on your team goes through your inbox before you're going through it and is like here are the ones that you can respond to personally i already went through and blocked you know any trolls any whatever you're not going to be able to avoid it completely but like maybe there is a system in there where it's just like okay cool i know like on the daily i have a team member in there just

like getting rid of the trash getting rid of the junk mail you know that's a good idea too yeah because you don't need to read mean things about yourself if you don't have to no yeah it's really funny um we joke that like i love my youtube because uh the comments are either just actual questions or you know wonderful feedback or just people who are obsessed with like my feet or whatever and so at least it's all complimentary like they're weird but like i'm i'm good with it And so so but it is interesting, like how on the social platforms there it is like there's someone has to clean up the trash. And if it's going to distract me, then outsourcing that until I can have a thicker skin or until or never come back again because I've other things to do. That might be the next step so that we can continue to grow because we have so much fun doing what we're doing.

Yeah, I think it's really important to remember that, like we used to use our Instagram accounts like a journal. It's like what you ate today and like what you did last weekend. But especially because you're running a business on this specific account now, that's no longer what it is. So I think you have to treat it like what it is, a business tool, which is how you've been using it the last few years. And it's time to outsource that $20 an hour work of sorting through DMs, sending some stuff to customer service, deleting the trolls to one of your team members. So you can free up headspace to focus on the big picture stuff in your business and run your business.

Good, good. All right, is that helpful? Yeah, absolutely. I think so. And just remember the thought, like move forward with this thought, I'm a leader. Like we're leaders. Think about the responsibility that that entails.

Yeah, that one, that, I think I'm gonna keep putting that on replay. What would a leader do? Yeah, it just gets you out of the actual feeling of it and takes you outside of it. So I'm so grateful. This was really fun. This is really, I'm so, we're, we're, we're thankful.

And I think this is a way to think about things moving forward. Great. Thanks for calling in guys. Thank you. They're very sweet. Yeah. I do think it's like now, nowadays, like normal people have to deal with this kind of stuff too.

Like it used to be just relegated to celebrities and even celebrities like, okay, you might get something in the mail. That's not very nice, but you didn't have this inundation daily of just like, even more of the reasons to just completely block it out. Yeah. What a waste of time. Seriously. imagine sitting in front of the mirror and being like you're ugly you're ugly you're ugly to

yourself for 15 minutes a day that's what it's like reading comments yeah I've been hearing this phrase around but that's like look but don't stare so it's like okay I can see that I don't need to like take that on myself you know I like that yeah all right okay mini so this is our mini So, Minnie, goodbye to you. Bye. I survived nine months in captivity, and I've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them. I'm Elizabeth Smart, and these are The Survivor Files.

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