Life Will Be the Death of Me with Chelsea Handler - Outsmarting Kangaroos with Eric Bana

Episode Date: July 24, 2025

Eric Bana is here in America to talk about fighting a kangaroo, his love of fast cars and motorcycles, and why his kids still speak to him.  Then: A put-together woman struggles with the decision to leave her lackadaisical husband.  And a bisexual man finds out he may be a dad – after a fling 8 years ago.   * Want to help James with medical bills? Click here to donate!  * Need some advice from Chelsea? Email us at [e-mail] * Executive Producer Catherine Law Edited & Engineered by Brad Dickert * * * The views and opinions expressed are solely those of the Podcast author, or individuals participating in the Podcast, and do not represent the opinions of iHeartMedia or its employees.  This Podcast should not be used as medical advice, mental health advice, mental health counseling or therapy, or as imparting any health care recommendations at all.  Individuals are advised to seek independent medical, counseling advice and/or therapy from a competent health care professional with respect to any medical condition, mental health issues, health inquiry or matter, including matters discussed on this Podcast. Guests and listeners should not rely on matters discussed in the Podcast and shall not act or shall refrain from acting based on information contained in the Podcast without first seeking independent medical advice.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed human. Behind every night spent making the kids' lunches, there's a lot of suspense. Will they finally eat the veggies? Will the pesto survive the first bite? Will the lunchbox come home empty, half full, or come home at all?

And will you finish episode eight before you're done slicing the cucumbers? Get Bell Pure Fiber Internet with Crave, Netflix, and Disney Plus from $94 a month. Price guaranteed for two years on internet with a two-year term and auto pay credit. Visit bell.ca for details and to check availability.

Bell. Connection is everything. I survived nine months in captivity, and I've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them. I'm Elizabeth Smart, and these are The Survivor Files. Every week, I'm with survivors who lived through the unthinkable, abducted, stalked, controlled, and nearly silenced. These are stories about what it takes to make it out alive. Listen to The Survivor Files with Elizabeth Smart on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

If your bookshelf and your For You page are equally important to your personality, welcome home. Pro Society is a weekly podcast that's part book club, part group chat for anyone who thinks Pride and Prejudice and Love Island deserve the same level of discourse. Each week, we're connecting the dots between books, the internet, and pop culture with your favorite writers, book talk creators, and plenty of overthought opinions. Yeah, I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed. Listen to Pro Society on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Did you hear the new episode of the Hey Jonas podcast? We are at D23, so we'll see who stops by.

The cast of Frozen stopped by. Kristen Bell, Josh Gad, and Idina Menzel. I auditioned for Frozen. What? For Kristoff. They said, okay, what are you going to be singing today? I said, I don't know. That must have been why you didn't get it.

Oh, you probably won. Plus, John Stamos, Hayden Christensen from Star Wars, and more. And I guess I can share that. No way. Listen to the latest episode of Hey Jonas on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, Katherine. Hi, Chelsea.

Hi, I'm wearing my glasses, my dark glasses like Stevie Wonder in the daylight because they're my prescription glasses. I was going to say, they must be prescription. I can. I've lost four pairs of glasses in the last three. And I have these new favorite glasses, these look glasses. Yeah. They're like my, they're transitional, are they called?

Okay. I was calling them transgender for a while. They don't make you look like a serial killer, do they? Like, they're not orange like they used to be, right? No. That guy from, you mean the guy from SVU? That guy who wears them? What's his name?

That actor? I feel like everyone who wears a transition looks like a serial killer. They're like kind of green. They turn green. Yes, yes, yes. No, I got rid of those. I got rid of those. and now I have, it's this brand called Look

and they sent them, like Eva Mendes was doing a line with them. So she sent me a bunch or they sent me a bunch and I was like, oh, I love these. I think I'm going to do something with them because they're nice and big and they don't touch my face, which is what I want with glasses because otherwise I have lines and indentations. Anyway, I've lost three pair in the last two days.

So my team is running around like crazy just trying to re-supplement me, supplement, supplify, supplicant. Listen, the last few weeks, I am not playing with a full deck of cards. After my foot surgery, I don't know if I announced I got foot surgery, but I think it's whatever. I mean, I pretty much announced everything. I have not been taking my mental, my brain plasma neurogens and my plasmalogens and all my CoQ10 because of the surgery. So I'm a dumb dipshit. It is really true. CoQ10 like helps with the

brain fog. Brain fog. But I take all of these supplements for brain fog and now I know they fucking work. I don't know which one it is that works, but I am like, I try to say things and I'm like, wait, well, who, where, what? I can't think of the words I'm trying to use. And also I'm taking Norco because of the pain from my foot. And also cause I love pills and you know, I only get 10 and so I've spaced them out in a nice way. Yeah. So it's been a little bit of a party for me. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's understandable. Just want to imagine I'm still not in my house, everybody. Still haven't moved into my house. Oh my gosh. Supposed to come back from my European trip to move into my house, but no, no. You know, we were talking about this

recently. And like, I just want to put it in perspective for the listeners. Like you bought this house when the show was like three or four months old. Yeah. I bought this house. It's 2025. As long as people have been listening to the show, you have owned this house and been working on it. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's exciting. Is there any like update on it? Do they have a ETA? Yes. It's in the final stages. And at least now it is guaranteed work. So there's a warranty on all of the work. So now that they came in and fixed everything that my prior contractor fucked up, there is a warranty on the work. And so that it will be professionally done. And then I am hoping to either offload or rent this house out. I don't want anything to do with it.

I think, yeah, the juju there is not for you. It's clashing. Yeah. I had someone come in and cleanse the house. That did not work. Oh, no, no. Before. No, before. That clearly didn't take. The only thing is Doug loves that house. So maybe I'll Let people rent the house and also be with Doug. He can just be part of the rental. Yeah, he comes with the rental. Yeah, I was going to feed him for today.

With a couple of other people too, actually. Well, that sounds great. Today, we have an awesome guest. Oh, my boyfriend is here today, you guys. This is my boyfriend, my long-term boyfriend. I've had a crush on him for years. He's definitely in my top, probably top five of like actor men that I've ever had a crush on. Because, I mean, the other ones are too old to fuck.

Like all of the guys I like, like Robert De Niro, he's passed. Harrison Ford too old I don't know Harrison Ford I mean Harrison Ford is still hot he's got a six pack

so like I appreciate that kind of respect you know what I mean I appreciate when men show us the respect that we show them yeah he's keeping it tight women are so

taking care of their shit in ways that men don't and then they hit a certain age they fucking let it rip and it's disgusting not Harrison yeah no

I was on a beach in Portugal for my friend's 50th and they all went in the ocean and there was like five men coming out of the ocean

and five women and I'm like everybody stop right there I go, men, I want you to take a look at these women, and then I want you to take a look at your bodies. What are you thinking? Why do you get to look like that? And then women are keeping their shit together. It's very King of Queens.

Yes. Yes. It's very King of Queens. That reminds me. I need to reach out to Leah Remini. I haven't spoken to her in a few months. Oh, well. She's one of my buddies.

Should we get her on the show? Absolutely. Yeah. She would love to do the show. Awesome. She's studying. She's getting a law degree. Really?

Yeah. She's fucking amazing. That's awesome. She's getting a law degree. That's amazing. And yeah. So, okay. Oh, my boyfriend. My boyfriend. See, I already forgot what I was talking about. Okay. So, my boyfriend is Eric Bana, guys. You know, I love him. And he's here today

because he's on a new show. He's on a new show. He's in a new show. He's inside me. It's called Untamed, and it's on Netflix. So, please welcome my baby, my baby mama. Eric Bana. Eric Bana. Welcome to America, Eric Bana. Welcome to America. Thanks, Chelsea. This is my official welcome. This is your first – I'm surprised you're here, actually, in person. This is what I expect at customs, you know, like when I'm getting my passport stamped.

Things have changed. This would be much better. Yeah, this is – things have changed a lot since your last trip over here. Because I know you – you do come when you have to do press to America. I know your wife doesn't like to travel. Rebecca doesn't like to travel. But you come. She came on this trip, actually.

Oh, she did? I coaxed her in. Yeah, yeah. Are you trying to make me jealous? No, I'm just pointing out that I managed to, you know, get her on a plane. But, no, I don't come here too often. I haven't been here for quite some time. But, anyway, it's lovely to see you.

It's lovely. It's always lovely to see you. You know who I was with last night? No, I don't. Connie Britton. No way. Who Eric starred with in Dirty John. Dirty John.

Yes, it's one of your favorites. We've actually spent a lot of time on this podcast talking about Dirty John. I don't know if we had you on to talk about Dirty John. No, no. But Connie's a very close friend of mine. Right. And we were out of Friends the House last night. And I just think that whole story, you know, Dirty John was just –

I know Connie was acting, but she kind of is dingy like that in real life. So I always like to remind her that I found that. You're saying it wasn't a stretch. I just was like, how could anyone be that stupid to believe this guy? And I didn't like you playing that role either because you know that I have strong feelings about your acting, your performing. You know that I've always had a crush on you. I mean, we've passed the point of it being an issue because we've known each other for so many years. So it's not an issue.

You know, I've met your wife. I understand. You know, so it's not a problem. But I didn't like seeing you play that kind of character. No, fair enough. And I had a lot of people who had a visceral, physical reaction to me after that. Did they?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like people would like cross the street and even people that like in my suburb, you know, coffee shops and stuff, they'd just kind of like kind of recoil for a couple of months, which I took as a good sign. Actually, you know what? I should play more of those sort of characters. I want people to recoil when they see me and run.

Yeah, well, that's better than, yeah, being bombarded all the time. I would imagine you would want to break from people at some point. I mean, I feel like, yeah, that was a really repellent character. But, I mean, you've played other repellent characters. Yeah, I love repellent characters. Yeah, you like that. I love to be repellent. I mean, the new show that you're on is Untamed.

It's on Netflix. It's already started streaming. And that I like because you were on a horse immediately at the gate. You were on a horse and you were a park ranger and, you know, some sort of detective. That's where I like. Non-repellent. Non-repellent. That's the vibe I like to see you in and embody.

That's when I feel the safest with you is when you're in this kind of role. You're solving a crime. You know what I mean? You're people. You're like the tough guy. Supposedly trustworthy. Supposedly. Well, let's see.

Yeah. I mean, you're Australian. So not in this movie, though. I mean, in this show, you're not Australian. You play an American. And the accent is very good. Well, at this stage, if I can't, I'm in trouble, right? Why do you think it is, Eric, that so many Australians can do such great American accents,

but Americans can't really ever do Australian accents. You know why? Because you don't try. Really? Yeah. When was the last time you tried to do an Australian accent? I can say no, no. I know how to say that.

No, honestly, I would really love to see more Americans forced to do an Australian accent. I know. Well, then they would be eliminated from the acting industry because it would be brutal. It would be brutal. It's like a tax we have to pay, you know, to work internationally. We're either playing Brits or we're playing Americans.

We don't have a choice. She says, you don't see Australian people in international film, right? We just don't exist. We don't exist as a species. There shall be no Australians appearing as Australian in any film or TV show. But do you guys think you deserve that? Yes, we do. We've worked for it.

We've worked. I don't know. I mean, it's a very young country. You know, I mean, you guys are a younger country than America. And peopled with criminals, of course. Yeah, littered with criminals. That's right. No, to their point, I'll go back into Michelle.

I know a lot about you. I know that you love race car driving. like you're really into that. I saw a film once that you did about it. And I know you're a big family man. I didn't know that you were attacked by kangaroos. Were you in a kangaroo fight? I was picked on by a kangaroo once when I was camping by myself. Yeah, that's true. That's true. It was just one guy. He was, I think, the leader of the pack of the valley. I picked the wrong spot to pitch a tent. And he shaped up to me. He did. Yeah. What is the process of, How do you handle, how does one handle an infraction with a kangaroo?

Well, I'm glad you asked because I didn't know either. I wanted to Google what the hell do I do? This guy wants a fight. I had no cell phone coverage. Right, of course not. You're in the outback. I'm in the outback. And so I thought I'll scare him off with my motorcycle.

And I walk behind the motorcycle. I put the bike between me and him and I started it up. I'm like this 1200cc beast is just, he's just going to go running. And he didn't move. He didn't flinch. And he actually had a facial expression like, really? Yeah. Really?

That? You think that's going to? And then he just kept hopping around trying to square off at me. I since learned that I should have perhaps not made so much eye contact and sort of gone into his space. I should have retreated. But I had the worst night's sleep. I was in a single-man tent and I was just picturing like Cujo,

you know, like this thing's just going to come in and just rip me to pieces. But I survived. Well, you're a survivor. And it's funny, though, because you don't think of kangaroos as a very aggressive type animal, but they are kind of aggressive. They can be. They can be. Look, my fault.

Was the kangaroo, were you drinking with the kangaroo? Because I know a woman who had a cocktail with a monkey and then the monkey attacked her. No, I was not drinking. But as I said, like, I would have attacked him if he appeared in my bedroom as well. I was in his backyard. I was sleeping under his tree.

I didn't know. I should have done my homework. What other close calls have you been involved in? Have you ever had a shark incident? No, no. Have you ever seen a shark? Oh, yeah, I've seen plenty of sharks. There's a place we used to go to called Lord Howe Island,

which has loads of sharks out past the reef, but not where you swim. You know, like I think they're pretty safe. I love them. Yeah, well, all Australians say that. They say they're not here to eat us. They're not. But they are eating people. So, like, I know they're just trying to take a bite,

and then they decide, oh, I don't like that. But whoopsie-doodle, then the person's leg is missing. Yeah. I think the sharks that do that are a little bit off, if you know what I'm saying. Oh, like, okay, a little bit. Copy that, copy that. They've been, you know, discarded from the pack, perhaps.

What about poison? Well, I don't think they travel in packs, but anyway. You've been to Australia. Don't make it sound like this unwelcoming, you know, violence. I love Australia. First of all, you don't have to tell me about Australia. I know you're from Melbourne, but I prefer Sydney. Sydney is – I just was there last year.

I did a tour there again. I reached out to you, of course, to invite you to my show as usual, and you didn't show up. Well, I was in Canada making the show we're here to talk about, so I wouldn't be here now if I wasn't unavailable to you back then. Well, obviously, we need you on Untamed. That was a priority. What about a deadly snake?

Have you ever come into contact with a deadly snake? Because I fucking hate snakes. Yes. Unfortunately, yes, I like to play golf, and I see them quite a lot. We get browns and all sorts of stuff. The brown ones are the really dangerous ones. But in Australia, basically all snakes are dangerous. Yeah, a lot of them are.

But again, you know, like you're going into their area, Chelsea. Like they're not come – actually sometimes in Queensland they might put themselves inside your shoes. Are they golfing? That doesn't seem like their area. That definitely seems like another area that they're invading. Hit the ball on the fairway. Actually, they do cross the fairway sometimes as well.

The brown ones are the grossest ones. I find those – Yeah, they're big. They're big and they're thick. And I once saw a picture of like a golf course that was just laden with all of these snakes. I don't think it was in Australia. It was probably somewhere in Florida.

But there were like eight or ten huge snakes on the golf course. And I'm like, oh, my God, that is like my worst nightmare. Are you a good golfer? No, I'm not very good. My wife's way better, unfortunately. But I'm only three years in. Is your wife teaching you how to golf? God, don't bring this up.

She's so good it's annoying. But, you know, she's a better athlete. She played tennis as a kid. And I can't say it comes natural to her. She's worked really hard. But anyway, she's about seven shots ahead of me. Can we move on? Well, you're embarrassed and you should be.

I'm embarrassed. Well, women are much- No, I shouldn't be embarrassed. You know, why shouldn't she be better than me? Why should I expect to be better than her? Well, because you're an Australian male. That's probably why you're thinking that. By the way, that's a urine sample.

Just kidding. I would never do that to you, Eric Bana. I would never do that to you. Okay, so now let's talk about some of your roles because I want to know which ones mean the most to you. What role of yours made you like, I know you loved working on Troy, right, with Brad Pitt. Yeah, yeah.

And who else was on that movie? Was it Orlando Bloom? Orlando Bloom. He's fun. So many great actors. Sean Bean, Mr. Cox. I mean, it was just, yeah, it was just amazing. And I know you said about that movie, like, had it made no money,

you would have still been just happy that you had done it because you were in such good company and you enjoyed the experience. I feel like that on everything I work on. Do you? Always, always. Like, what happens afterwards? Like, you just do the thing and it's like you put that experience in a box and you lock it away and sometimes, I know this sounds ridiculous,

sometimes I actually forget that people are going to see the thing. Like now I'm out here talking about Untamed. Talking about something that's already over, right. I had such an amazing time filming that last year and you know how beautiful it is in BC outside the back of Whistler where we shot most of this. I mean I was getting paid to be on a horse up in the mountains every day, hanging around with the most incredible crew,

working with amazing riders and then now I'm like, oh, that's right, people are going to see that. I forget. I forget we're making it for people. Like it wasn't just for us. Like I literally forget. But it's also like with the way the industry is now, there's so much, you know what I mean?

We're so saturated with so many TV shows, so many films. There's so much that it's like it's not as big of a drumbeat to get to things, releases for things as it used to be. Yeah, that's true. You know, it feels like there's a lot more that comes and goes much quicker. So to have something like a project adding on to what you're saying, that there's like a little bit of lag time to promoting something.

But British Columbia, I think you'll agree with me, one of the most beautiful parts of the whole world. Yeah, I mean, in some ways we were lucky. We couldn't get into the key parts of Yosemite where the series is set in summer because of practicality reasons. Because of what happened with you and that kangaroo? Yeah, exactly, exactly, they heard. So we ended up in B.C. at the back of Whistler for most of it.

Did you see any bears when you were in B.C.? Do you know what? I wanted to. I wanted to and I saw none. And we had a bear guy. We had a bear guy who was like, you know, our safety and the bear's safety. I'm like, dude, you're full of shit. Where are the bears?

Like there's just nothing. I wanted to like – I heard a rumor that some actors in the past had put stakes outside of their – I'm not going to mention any names. Okay. Not on our show, by the way. Okay. Well, good. Had put stakes on plates outside their trailers to try

and get an Instagram moment. I didn't do that. But I didn't see one bear, so I need to go – I mean, I would have more chances seeing a bear on a ski lift in winter than I did on the show. Where did you guys stay off the back of Whistler, you keep saying? Where? Do you know where you were? Well, we stayed in Whistler and then we traveled out into the back.

You know I have a house in Whistler. Well, I know, but you never offered it. You knew I was there. No, I didn't know you were there. This is what I'm talking about with our relationship. You're constantly very close by and acting like you're nowhere around. So you claim no one at Whistler told you I was there? No, no one.

Really? You would have heard from me, Eric. If I had known you were in Whistler, you definitely would have heard from me. But you don't go there in the summer. No, I go in the winter. You're very picky. I go to ski, you know. I like skiing.

So I knew that. So, yeah. I've never seen a bear there either. Really? And at the end of ski season, when the snow melts, there's always bears, you know. So this year I stayed extra long because I love the idea of seeing a bear. My dogs look like bears. I feel like I have a connection to bears.

And I feel like I could handle a bear, you know what I mean? I would know what to do in that situation, more so than a snake or a shark or a kangaroo. Right. But this year I kept waiting and they were like, oh, there's a bear at the end of the road. And then we drive down the end of the road, the bear would be gone. So I still haven't seen my real life bear. The area that we were filming in at the back of the old Olympic ski park, there is a grizzly

there called Debbie, which they saw at some stage in pre-production. I'm like, Debbie, where I, like Debbie did not come out. Yeah, especially a grizzly. But she's like a big grizzly. But a female grizzly is going to be even more dangerous than a male grizzly. Fantastic. Yeah, yeah, for sure. So back to the question about what movie role do you think, like what is one movie role that you think has had the biggest, not even impact professionally, but on you personally?

That's a really good question because I've had like four or five that have been really special. But in terms of like long-term friendships, my first big American film was Black Hawk Down, which was this huge ensemble. And I to this day have like three or four of my closest friends are from that shoot that we stayed in contact with we had. hotel rooms on the same floor. My son was like 18 months, I think, at the time when we turned up. He was two by the time we left. I'm literally catching up with one of those people tomorrow night. So in terms of impact on your life, I'd say that would be the greatest, mainly because of the friendships that were forged. And I'm not alone. There was different gangs of friendships on that film because the cast was so huge of two people there, three people there, five people

there. And it's the same for everyone. Everyone is super, super tight from that film. Troy was really special. Munich was really special. Munich was a great film. Yeah, there's been so many that I think the big long shoots where everyone's away from home has something special to it. I'm usually the only guy who's away from home. I'm usually somewhere where everyone's sleeping in their own beds at night and I'm going back to an apartment and whatever. But on the big ones like that, it's a bit more of a bonding experience. Yeah, which is hard because you're also away. There's a bit of a summer camp vibe to it. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I know it's hard for you to be away from your family too i mean not maybe it's not hard but it's obviously not you'd rather

be with your family yeah and you have to you're the one traveling from australia um but your kids are grown up now and in college yeah well they're past that stage you're 23 and 25 yeah and are they still speaking to you they're still speaking to me isn't that fantastic wow yeah one of them just just uh just facetimed me from from europe today they're out of the house and stuff so yeah yeah i'm all i'm so old what are you and rebecca gonna do now that your kids are like adults how are you You're going to celebrate your life. We'll do more travel. We'll play more golf.

We'll have some fun. We'll drink. I'll get her to drink more than one glass of alcohol a week. Yeah, yeah. She's still going to have to step that up too. She's still going to have to loosen up. Yeah, absolutely. Can I send it to you for a week?

Absolutely. I can train anybody. I can train anybody to drink more. Remember we went to dinner one night in Melbourne and then I got into the van on the way out and I went to go take a step up. I had had a few cocktails, of course. And I stepped up and then I kind of fell into the van and Eric's like, you're right there and just kept walking, just walking by me.

No, I think this is a perfect time for you guys to travel, enjoy your lives, you know. It's so nice when kids are grown up and you've, like, they're cooked. I know they're never fully cooked. Exactly. No, it is. It does feel amazing. And it's also that it's at age you think will never happen, you know,

when you've got, like, you just think this point will never, ever come where you'll just travel and it won't really matter where you are because they're not around. So, no, it's kind of fun. I mean, it's kind of sad in some ways, but, yeah, it's amazing. And what do you think, if you had to describe yourself as a dad, how would you describe yourself? Oh, God.

I definitely try and be funny. I think my wife and I are really similar. Like we're just really into it, really into being parents. Like we were always really, really into it. So I would say they were always sick of me being around. They were like, can you just go back to work? Like enough of you already. So, yeah, I don't know, something like that.

Did you find out that you – were you surprised to find out how much patience you had as a father? Well, it depends on the day of the week. Right. Yeah. Would you say patience is one of your strong suits or one of your less strong suits? No, I would say in life in general and in work,

I'm very, very patient. Yeah. Very, very patient. Are you? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I need to work on my patience. Yeah.

I'm with stupid people. It's very hard for me. No, fair enough. You know, stupid people, it's very hard for dumb. I don't like to, I want everyone to assess the situation quickly and then move on. Is it stupid people or is it inefficiency? Because I have discovered recently that all of my close friends,

all of my male close friends are high intelligence and have no capacity for inefficiency. I just discovered this one day when I was telling my wife about the story. I was just recently traveling with a buddy of mine and his bugbear is checking into hotels. Anything more than three words. Oh, me too. Any fingers that tap more than twice.

I don't even want to interact with the person. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just bring me to my room and then also don't come in. Yeah. Don't come in. Hand me the key. don't give me the tour, say nothing. My issue with impatience is when the interaction just, yes, it's exactly that. When it's, it could be succinct and yet it keeps going and there's a

back and forth. It's like, I already have clocked what's going on. And I've expressed to you via me ohos that, that this is not like, this is over. Like I got it. You know, it's even on planes. I noticed when people, it's almost like people want to just waste time, you know, talking to people. I think when people, I think planes specifically, because people seem to get nervous on planes. And I think they like to talk too much just because they're feeling nervous. Ordering food, like people that, you know, like when you're in line and someone's ordering and they're having like a conversation with the cashier. Oh yeah, it's so fucking annoying. I hate that. Or in airports when people are just standing there. I'm like, what are you doing?

Move. You're not, no one is here to hang out and meet friends here. No one is here for that reason. The purpose of an airport is to get from one place to the next place. So fucking move your feet. I I don't understand either what's going on. And no three or four abreast. Fucking come on. Oh, no. Please. Because those people are never paying attention either.

And don't say abreast either. Don't throw that word around either. Are you somebody that would ever listen to a show, watch a show on your phone or have a FaceTime call on your phone without a pair of headphones on? Eric. No. Exactly. No.

That's the right answer. I had to confront about three different people on my last travels. I was just in Europe for two months. Let me guess. Were they Americans? No. They were men though. They were men.

There was one woman, and she was elderly, so I was like, am I going to – because I am very – listen. She might have been hard of hearing. Well, but she still could get a headphones. I mean, you know what I mean? It might affect her hearing aids or something, so that's where I'm going with that. Well, that's nice. What did you do? I thought if I said something to the two men and I didn't say something to the woman, then that would be sexist.

And I don't want to be sexist. You're a modern woman. Yeah, exactly. You know that. Take that bitch down. So I said, excuse me, miss, do you have a set of headphones? And she goes, oh, I'm so sorry. But, yeah, there was a guy –

Good reaction. Were you surprised by how well she reacted? No, because I'm so nice about it. I go, I'm so sorry. Would you mind not watching that fucking race car show at full blast volume while we're on a fucking plane together? When everyone – it's just so inconsiderate, you know? I mean, it's definitely more of a male thing, of course, like everything, where people just don't consider that other people may not want to hear your social media or your FaceTime call. I mean, it kills me when someone's on a FaceTime call without a headset.

Walking down the street. And you're just like, do you want people to hear your conversation? They do. That's the truth. No, they do. No, yeah. They totally do. They do.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. The attention thing. Okay. We're going to take a break and we're going to be right back with my favorite, Eric Bana. Behind every night spent making the kids' lunches, there's a lot of suspense. Will they finally eat the veggies? Will the pesto survive the first bite?

Will the lunchbox come home empty, half full, or come home at all? And will you finish episode eight before you're done slicing the cucumbers? Get Bell Pure Fiber Internet with Crave, Netflix, and Disney Plus from $94 a month. Price guaranteed for two years on internet with a two-year term and auto pay credit. Visit bell.ca for details and to check availability. Bell. Connection is everything. When I was 14 years old, I was kidnapped and held captive for nine months. I survived, and I've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them.

I'm Elizabeth Smart, and these are the Survivor Files. I just remember this low, taunting voice next to my ear saying, shut up, don't say anything. Every week, I'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable. I knew if he woke up, without a doubt, he was going to hurt me. I started feeling that there was someone at the end of my bed, and I just started screaming. They are abducted, stalked, controlled, and nearly silenced.

But these aren't stories about what's taken from them. They're stories about what it takes to make it out alive. Listen to The Survivor Files with Elizabeth Smart on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If your bookshelf and your For You page are equally important to your personality, welcome home. This is Prose Society, the weekly podcast that's part book club, part group chat for thought daughters,

pop culture obsessives, and anyone who thinks Pride and Prejudice and Love Island deserve the same level of discourse. I'm Eli Rallo, and every week we're connecting the dots between books, the internet, and the conversations everyone can't stop having. I'm going to have to look up this story. I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed. From bestselling authors and your favorite book talk creators to the latest pop culture moments, nothing is off the table it's like if you can hide some real messages inside compelling characters and that is a trojan horse whether you're looking for literary deep dives smart pop culture conversations or a community of readers who love to think a little too much you're in the right

place listen to pro society on the iheart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts see you between the pages hey this is hayes davenport and sean clements we host the podcast hollywood handbook on the big money players network our show is extremely accessible to first-time listeners each week we talk to someone in show business aka the biz and try to help them with their careers and see what they have to offer us everyone has a good time and no one gets mad at their publicist for letting them do our show we've had a lot of great guests like sarah sherman not that great actually can you help me can you help me shape this how about we flip it on its head

how about we flip the script what if the surprise woman who actually you think is the straight man is actually the one who's acting weird Adam Scott this entire time you've been expecting Adam Sandler to come

to visit the show I would never expect I would never set expectations for something like that to happen if the universe allows for something like that to happen I am open to it. I'm always going to accept.

You know, Danny McBride, fine. Yeah, it's all this fragile masculinity exuding. I could smell it walking down the hallway, to be honest with you. I was like, is that weed? Nope, it's fragile masculinity. Ben Stiller, no. Because a lot of times, out of context, people don't get it or even know what a circle is.

You know what I mean? Like, they're like, oh, what's a circle? Everyone's so dumb except for you. And fake. Right, fake. And also not interested or just like, oh, I've got my life. I don't care about your life. And a lot of other big shots that wouldn't be where they are without us.

Oh, and by the way, Will Ferrell told us personally he loves the show and he wants to be a guest on every episode, but he's just so busy. Listen to Hollywood Handbook on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, and we're back with Eric Bana. Okay, tell me why you wanted to do Untamed, Eric. I loved the pilot episode when it was sent to me. I just thought it was so brilliantly written.

So it's – and selfishly as an actor, honestly, when I'm reading something, I'm reading something as an audience first. That's the truth. As an actor or as a person? As a person. Like, does this interest me? Do I think this is great? Yeah.

And then the second time it's like selfishly diving in, okay, what's this character like? So I read, I'm like, I'm so in. I like whether I'm in the show or not, I'm watching this. Like, it's going to be on my list. Because the first episode is very intense. Lots of things happen. Oh, my gosh.

The opening, I was like panicking under my covers. I loved it. And I loved the character of Kyle. And then I met with Mark and we spoke and I was like, I want to help set this up. I want to make this show. So that was five years ago. So it took us quite a while to get to this point.

See, I would lose interest in something if it took five years. So you've got to have patience. But five years is such a long time. We wouldn't be here talking about this if I had no patience. Anyway, no, I just loved it. And because I love a murder mystery, so many of us do, but I'm done with people driving around in cars and knocking on doors. So here we were in a national park trying to solve a crime

but in the most beautiful, epic setting, which has an element of danger to it. And for those of us who love nature, we know like there's yin and yang. It's like you're exposed, it's amazing, but there's always this element that I could be in a little bit of danger here. So I love the idea of that genre or that kind of program but set somewhere amazing as a point of difference. Uh-huh, yeah.

I mean, it means even more to me now that I know it was shot in Whistler. I didn't even know that. I didn't even recognize it watching it that it was shot in Whistler. Well, hopefully you don't because, you know, we had some B stuff from Yosemite that we stitch in to make it, you know. Right, right, right. So that's good. All national parks look the same to me, you know what I mean?

Once you're in the woods on a horse. Once you're a park ranger for one park, you're a park ranger for pretty much all parks. I'm not a park ranger, but anyway. No, I'm talking about myself. I'm a park ranger. You're a federal agent, right? I'm afraid about investigating services branch.

Thank you very much. You're a permanent investigative, whatever. And put an investigator in front of anything, and that's what he is. Well, should we start with our question? Yeah, I want to hear Eric give advice to people. Okay. What sort of advice? Yeah, this is called Dear Chelsea, first of all.

So it's called like Dear Abby. So people are going to call in for life advice. And based on your life experience, Eric, everything you've been through, you are going to tell them what you think they should do. Yes. Well, hang on. Will they listen? Will they listen?

Will they take it on board? Do I get evidence as to whether they took this shit up or not? I'll let you know because people follow up with us. Because my wife and I are sick and tired of giving advice to people that they don't take up. That's true. So this comes with a price. There's going to be follow-up. Come on.

Let me at them. And you can demand it of the callers when they come on. You can say you better follow up. Fully the caller. That's a good approach. Well, this one's just an email, but I thought this would be a good one. And we were just talking about traveling and, you know, especially since you have two grown kids, you might have some insight on this. Elizabeth says, Dear Chelsea, for the sake of sisterhood, help a girl out.

Back on our third date, 18 years and two kids ago, my husband and I dreamed of living abroad for a year or two. Think Europe, Asia, epic memories before our kids hit high school and stopped thinking we're cool. We fell in love with Barcelona a decade ago and said, this is the place. Well, one day is now. Our son's headed into sixth, daughter into third, and the clock is ticking. We can technically afford it in the long run, but my husband, who runs his own law practice, calls it, quote, financial suicide. Meanwhile, I've been in and out of full-time work since COVID, and the plan would be for

me to be on team logistics while he keeps the lights on. He feels the pressure. I get it. But also, YOLO? How do I get him to jump? We both want this. We're dreamers. This country is a dumpster fire.

The kids are still impressionable. And honestly, the crisp Spanish white wine is calling. Tips, pep talk, Chelsea wisdom, I'll take it all, Elizabeth. I mean, I think you have to go for it. You have to. First of all, no time like the present, especially with what's happening in our country. Yeah. A great reason to get out of there and great reason to expose your kids.

I mean, I'm surprised they're even willing to take their eighth and third grader, eight-year-old. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think you are eighth and third grade, whatever the ages are. Yeah, eighth and third grade. But, I mean, if they made that agreement, then they should follow through on that. That's a good idea, don't you think? I think it's a terrible idea. You do?

No, I'm joking. Absolutely. It is the best thing they will ever do for their kids, for their marriage, for themselves. I understand Hubby's point of view. He's a bit stressed about it, but 10 years from now, he'll look back and go, I don't know why I was stressed about that financial situation. I made good on that within two years. But the kids will never forget it. Our kids traveled a lot through my job. They remember every single location we ever shot in. They remember absolute absolute specifics. So it's a no brainer. You've got to do it. How do you get the husband over the line? You tell him- Threaten him.

No, it only gets harder as the kids get older. If you don't do it now, you will not do it. And listen, don't let him say, you know what, let's check in again in two years. That's not going to happen. Because sixth grade is right before junior high too. You've got to go. Yeah, yeah, right. And also you have to take life by the balls. Saying something like it's a financial suicide is very dramatic. It's actually not going to be financial suicide. You'll figure it out. And everyone does figure these things out. And even to that end, like I'm not exactly sure about the logistics, but like he could

have a paralegal or an assistant who's stateside and in your time zone and he can be working remotely, I would imagine. But you know what else? The financial suicide thing, that's something that's in your head when you're in your current bubble. And the minute they land in, where is it? Barcelona. The word financial suicide will slip out of his brain.

Gone. Yeah. I agree with that. You're always worried about the things that- So get on that plane. Yeah. And it'd be great for your kids to learn Spanish. That's really important for Americans.

And then also, like, they're not just going to be in Barcelona. You're going to be taking weekend trips all over Europe. Yeah, you guys can go spend time in my house in Mallorca. I mean, hello. Perfect. Yeah, hello. All right, done, Elizabeth. Let your husband know.

But again, I want to hear, I want to hear, Elizabeth, I want to see a photo from Barcelona. I'll email with you, okay? You can count on that. And you know what? I'll even say, Elizabeth, if your husband is not convinced, you guys can call in for a couples counseling with Chelsea. But tell him Eric Bana just told him to do it. Yeah, he'll love it.

There's not going to be a bigger conversation after that, I don't think. He's going to have to talk his life over there. Well, our first caller is James. James is from Louisiana. He says, Dear Chelsea, I'm a 26-year-old bisexual man from South Louisiana. I've only been with men since coming out about six years ago. I live in a small town where everyone knows everybody's business. This past Christmas Eve, my mom was in the Dollar General when the mother of an old friend of mine walked up to her.

She proceeded to tell my mom that she thinks her daughter's child is mine. Within the first couple of minutes of hearing this, I was in denial. But after looking through pictures, though, I'm convinced the child is mine. The quote-unquote father of the child doesn't know this information, and the mother is in a mental health facility for 18 months getting help. I'm at a loss for words over this one and would love some advice. Thanks for everything you do, James. Whoa, whoa, James.

Hi, this is our special guest, Eric Vanna, today. Hi, James. Hi, it's nice to meet you all. You too, man. And James is having a bout of Bell's palsy, so we have a little bit of a slurred speech. No problem, no problem. All good. Well, it sounds like you're dealing with a lot of stuff right now.

Yes, I am. And how do you think you want to handle this? I'm still just kind of like dealing with this at the moment. But as far as like the kid situation goes, I mean, I've had a similar view on kids as you have. And I've never really, especially I haven't been with a girl since like 2018. So that's something. But then what's really pulling me in are the amount of like concerning things like with the child's father, supposed father. He has like a confederate flag on the back of his truck, which is like all you need to know about that.

And especially growing up down here, my cousin actually babysit the child before because it's a small town. Everyone knows everyone. And she had like seen a picture of the kid on the fridge and had asked like, hey, is that James? The mom, she said, no, that's the kid. But we think that James is the kid's father and told her not to say anything. And this is like a few months before she admitted herself into that mental health facility for 15 months. So, yeah. And then there's little things like the kid likes My Little Pony and stuff like that. And he also has, like, a brother who's the complete opposite, more similar to the father.

But you definitely had sex with this woman, right? Oh, yes. They're theoretically saying you could be the father. I did once, yes. Oh, okay. So you could be the father. I could be the father. Wow.

That's heavy. But you don't know 100%. We don't. And my mom was in talks with the grandmother about, like, a DNA test and stuff like that. but they kind of thought it would be a better idea to wait until she gets out so she doesn't feel, like, blindsided, which I understand. Yeah, sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, she's already got a husband with a Confederate flag, so. Yeah, and they're actually, so they're not really, like, together. Okay. It's another thing. So who's looking after this little girl right now? Her grandparents? So it's a boy, but, yeah, her grandparents, and they're staying with the dad.

Okay. Yeah. So I think you need to process exactly how you want to approach this before you actually make any move. You know what I mean? Since it's a huge responsibility and it is like the rest of your life, you first of all, I want to go about it the right way and actually make sure that she is your daughter a hundred percent and do a DNA test because son, sorry, I'm sorry. It's okay. It's all right. And do a DNA test, but also figure out what the timing of that, what the timing is and what makes most sense with regard to the mother being in that facility right like there's a lot

of delicate issues around this correct and she does get out in november so okay well that's something yeah i think maybe at that time you can take it upon yourself to suggest that you know in a face-to-face with her about doing a dna test or if she thinks that you're the father you might not be that's also true so yeah so it's not like you know a black and white situation just yet. I think it's a very, something that you really have to handle with a lot of delicacy, you know, until you actually do a DNA test. Got you. Do you think that he should have a conversation with the grandma, the one who approached his mom and just to sort of like get the lay of the land with the supposed father and the mom? Yeah, I think that would be,

are you up for that? Yeah, I'm totally up for that. Yeah. I think you just be as nice and reasonable as you as you obviously are and have a conversation with her if she's the one who initiated that conversation follow up with it like any responsible adult male would you know or should she literally walked up to my mom in dollar general and was like so i don't know if it's my place but i think your child is my grandson's dad and just like on christmas eve so it was just That's a lot. How old is he now? How old is the boy?

He's like seven. Yeah, so this will be something for him to process too, like when and if it comes out. Yes, I think be very thoughtful. Don't have unnecessary interactions with the child until you know for sure what the situation is. And start with the grandmother. And then in November when the mother comes out,

then you can have a conversation with her too. And then just take steps in the direction of finding out for sure. But don't do anything rash right now. And then I also have a boyfriend. Another question. This is a doubleheader. That caused some tension at the time. We've obviously built on our relationship.

So I think that it would be fine if it came down to it. But that's just a whole nother thing because it's like. Yeah, but again, I think you're getting ahead of yourself. I think you just take it one step at a time. You don't have to solve all of the problems on one day, you know? Right. That's my problem. Yeah.

So just don't overwhelm yourself. You know, you're dealing with a lot. So just take it. The first step is you're going to have a conversation with the grandmother. Hey, I appreciate that. And I would also say check out our episode we did with Karamo Brown because he has a really similar story. Like he had sex with a woman once and, you know, found out way later that he had a child with her. And now they have a wonderful relationship.

So check that episode out. Awesome. Okay. Well, thanks for calling in. Thanks, James. Good luck. Yeah. Absolutely.

And just lastly, anyone who's on Medicaid, there's a lot going on right now. And when this happened, I didn't realize that I was thrown off of it. So anyone who's on it, anything can happen anytime. Make sure that you're keeping up with your deadlines and stuff like that because they're trying to trick people left and right. Just to throw that out there because that's some scary stuff. Yeah, that's a really good reminder. I mean, I know any of us can have unexpected medical bills crop up.

So if anyone wants to pitch in and help with James's medical bills, I will put a link in the description. Dear Chelsea, listeners are always so amazing at helping folks out and it's a pretty small amount, so I'm sure we can make a good dent in that. Okay. Thanks, James. Thank you. It's so nice to meet you. Nice to meet you too. Follow up with us. Oh God. I know it's a complicated situation. He needs to go to Barcelona. Yeah. He needs to go with the other family to Barcelona. Oh man. I know. Can you imagine if you found out that we had a baby together eric can you imagine what would you do well i mean and you wouldn't have even remembered how it happened that would have been so quick that would have been what you're

saying no you would have been like you i mean no not so quick you just i mean oh it's a lot to deal with it is unexpected things in life it's a lot to deal with that no that's that's a lot it's a lot That is a lot. No, I mean, but as a dad, you know, obviously it's a different situation. But as a dad, I mean, I would assume that you would encourage him to, like, try to develop a relationship with this kid, right? But once you know for sure, you don't just take what someone says at face value. Like, who knows? In the dollar general.

And you know what? The hard thing also is, like, I didn't want to ask James this, but it was like, how would he feel? Would he feel better or worse if he found out tomorrow that the kid wasn't his? That's a good question. Why didn't you ask it? Well, because you guys were talking and so I didn't want to interrupt. Oh, I'm so sorry. I thought I was talking on my podcast.

I'm so sorry. You know what? I didn't take a pain pill today for my foot because I wanted to be coherent for this interview. I wish I had taken it now. I really do. I don't know. I mean, would he be relieved or would he be devastated? I mean, for how many years now has he thought that this child is his?

Just recently. It's only really recently. I feel like he's been living with this for years. Just since the Dollar General store interaction. Do we have an easier question for Eric? Do you want me to do, like, a simple mouth? You've got something to do with motorcycles or football. Do you have a Lego set of motorcycles that he can put together?

You know what? A lot of grown men are into Legos now. Do you know that? That's a thing. My sister-in-law is into Legos. She's like, oh, that's my relaxing thing. I put together Lego sets. But are these more intricate, crazy Lego sets?

I think they're cute. You know, you can do, like, a little flower pot or, like, different fun, cute things or, like, the set of Harry Potter. Recently at a Formula One race, the trophies were sponsored by Legos. They got their podium trophies in Lego. Oh. I'm not sure that goes in the cabinet with all the – and what happens if you drop it? Like someone come around and give us instructions? I think they're different than high-tech Legos now.

Like they stick together. It's not like it's a – I think one of these fell apart. I went to my first Formula One race in Barcelona a couple months ago. Did you love it? Yeah. It's a very particular thing. I felt watching those guys get stuffed into those cars with that dry ice being blown in their faces to cool them down made me feel – and I just can't believe that those guys are in the car for two and a half hours.

Yeah. I didn't know it was that long. So it was pretty intense and it's definitely athletic. Yeah. And it's a different – it's also like I love it but there is a point where I do prefer watching it at home. Like I do love being at the track sometimes but for the race, I do actually really like watching it at home with all the commentary and stuff. no it's it's a pretty incredible environment i was recently on a trip around europe with with a buddy of mine for a few weeks on motorcycles and we we took in some motor racing and went to

the austrian formula one race which is great to compare it to because we have melbourne formula one which is like five minutes from home and it was great to compare the differences but yeah it's a it's a it's a whole other world you've never driven in one of those races not a formula one car no but i've done a lot of racing like gt3 you don't have to be defensive about it No, I wasn't being small-dicked about it at all. I was just, you know, trying to claim my bona fides. There was a long conversation. Brad Pitt was recently on Dax's podcast,

and they were talking about Formula One for almost two hours. And I texted Dax, and I was like, I can't believe you think people want to listen to this shit. People are so into it. Like, I just can't believe it. People love Formula One. Like, they love it. And the reason I went in Barcelona is because I was performing,

I was doing a show, and my cousins wanted to go. She's like, come on, let's go. you'll get the vip treatment i was like okay we'll go and then they put me on the pad or like the the pit or the what's it called i think i saw a photo which team were you with you're in someone's they both lost that day of course you know i mean did you have the headphones on and we listen to all the stuff yeah yeah yeah i mean i did for a while but you know what the best part was the catering i mean i've been to a lot of vip like wimbledon you know where you go to these suites and stuff you're in wimbledon last week as well and she's been everywhere and yeah i get

I was in Glastonbury and then I went to Wimbledon and that's what happened with my foot. What's next? What major event are you ticking off next? Have you done the Australian Open? I'm going to do the Australian Open. It's the best. Do you go?

Yeah, it's the best. I fucking love tennis. I was just watching Wimbledon this morning before I came over here. Yeah, I think Sinner's just won and Sinner's playing Djokovic. Is he beating him? Yeah. Really? Yeah.

How do you feel about that? I have a lot of respect for Djokovic. I mean, I've seen so many of his finals in Melbourne. Like, he's just a freak. I mean, yeah, I mean, I love Sinner as well. Like it's handing over of the guard, isn't it, right? I just hope there's going to be a third Alcaraz. We need someone else.

Yeah, we need a third one. Alcaraz is so much fun to watch. Like I love him. You know what I mean? Sinner is an amazing player, but it's less fun to watch that. You know, he used to be a downhill skier. I know. He had to choose between skiing and tennis, just like I had to choose,

and I chose skiing. You chose podcast. I chose a podcast. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Kate is deciding about whether to stay with her longtime, well, husband, I guess. Okay. Well, this will be something that Rebecca can relate to. So Kate is 36 and she says, Dear Chelsea, I've been married for almost eight years together

with this man for almost 20 years now. Recently, some things have come up that I think I've always known deep down, but never wanted to fully admit. My husband is so smart and talented in so many ways, but has never reached his full potential. He's always bounced between dead-end jobs and unemployment. He drained our savings training to be a pilot, but that never went anywhere. In the meantime, I've worked my ass off to be where I'm at in a great career, and I've always been the main one supporting our household. It's exhausting. He always had excuses as to why he didn't get promoted or doesn't get better jobs. I always believed him and have been rooting for him since day one, thinking this next job will be it. It'll be the

one to lead to a good career, but it never happens, and I'm finally realizing it's him. He's the problem. He has no motivation and shows zero initiative. That's why I'm writing. After all my, quote, nagging, he recently admitted that he's content with low-level jobs forever. He doesn't need anything more to make him happy or fulfilled. I accept him for who he is, but I've always wanted more for myself, and the resentment is really starting to build up. Now my question is, do I stay with him out of love and accept that I'll never reach my financial goals because he's holding us back? Or is it time I let him go and accept that I may just be alone forever? I'm so torn and don't want to end up regretting my decision years down the line.

Thank you, Kate. Jesus, this is another heavy one. And she's a mover and a shaker. You're really bringing the drama, Eric. She's great. Hi, Kate. This is Eric Banna. Hi, Kate. Hi. He's here to help you today. Hi. Wow, that was a heavy letter. That's heavy thinking. Yeah, it's been weighing on me. Yeah, it sounds like it. It sounds like it. I would say to you, if you're talking about resentment, that really doesn't go away. You know, if you're going to accept somebody for who they are, that's one thing, but he was kind of falsely advertising who he really is, who he really was to a degree. So that adds another layer of resentment. And I would say, I wouldn't look at this decision as like a binary choice, like, okay, I'm staying or going. It's actually, now

that you've written all of this, you've said it out loud, you're calling in, you're acknowledging all these feelings. It's kind of like, okay, well, where does this new information take you now that you know he's content living like that? I don't want you to look at it like, what if I'm alone forever? Don't look at anything like that. That's not the option. It's not him or you're alone forever. You could meet somebody else down the road. You could meet somebody in two months. You could meet somebody in two years. You never know who you're going to meet. I doubt you're going to be alone. Most people aren't. Just by everything that you're saying, it sounds like you're getting ready to make a move I'm definitely leaning on that side of I think that's where my head is at

I think I just I don't know I I just love having like an outside perspective of like am I making the right choice in I don't know just any sort of validation that I'm not screwing this up by leaving it's just a lot of mixed emotions so any I'm just trying to talk to a therapist I'm trying to talk to all my friends I'm trying to talk to family outside perspectives is you know I'm just trying to not make like a rash move immediately and just like right I think that's smart I don't think it should be a rash move but I think you should acknowledge everything that you're feeling like if you have a lot of resentment that's not necessarily just going to disappear being ambitious and wanting more for yourself is not selfish that's the type of person you are and

acknowledging that is really important as a woman it's really important also to acknowledge that and not to be held back by this idea of like loyalty or love like he'll be okay too everyone survives people get divorced all the time. If that's the road that you go down, you really just also have to honor where you see yourself in your life. Like take the time that is necessary to make a deep decision like this and spend time alone with yourself, with your thoughts, with a therapist, and really contemplate how you see your future moving forward without him, if that's, you know, one option and how it would look with him. Yeah. And I think that's, yeah, kind of what I've been talking to with my therapist is just like what my values are. And I feel like we're just kind

growing apart and like my values and his values maybe don't align at this point like maybe they did 10 years ago but at this point I feel like I'm trying to continue to grow myself and like improve myself and I just don't think that he cares to do that and so yeah if those values don't align like it's not even values it's just kind of like values almost sounds like you're judging him for it's you it's what you want your desires like you're desiring a different type of life. It's not like he's a bad guy and you're a good person. It's not like that. It's just that you kind of seem like you're on two different trajectories. He's content with where he is and you're not. So it's going to also be really, really tough because you guys obviously met

really young. You've been together for a long time. We did since like 1920. Yeah. So in a lot of ways, you didn't get to see your fully formed partner until you were well and truly, truly married. So if you hadn't met in your mid-20s, it's maybe a little different. You may have identified things in your husband that you can now that would have been less negotiable up until now. I'm really sorry you're in this position. There's a naive part of me that goes, oh, he sounds like a really, I don't want to say low-maintenance husband, but is he happy with... I know so many men who are so driven and have achieved so much and are so miserable and bitter. And then I hear this story, I'm like, oh, this guy doesn't have as much as a lot of

people, but is he truly happy? Or I don't know enough about him to be able to make that sort of a call. But there's a side of me that goes, that's kind of a really nice thing as well. That's someone who's not crazily driven, still really happy with their lot in life. And I'm hoping he adores you. So there's that side, obviously. But I can hear in your voice, maybe that's not fully the case. it's a real tough one, but you could also end up with someone who's all the things you want,

who's incredibly driven, who's maybe never home and is just miserable all the time. I mean, that's also possible, right? Not discounting any of the way you're feeling as Chelsea's saying. I just think it's really important as women, first and foremost, to really honor the thoughts and feelings you have around a relationship and not stay there for someone else. You know what I mean? You really have to look out for yourself because no one else is going to look out for you but you. Like no one is going to make the best decisions for yourself. And whatever your decision ends up being is going to be the right one anyway. You know, you're going to make a left or you're going to make a right and you're going to double down in that direction. And if you stay, you're

going to double down on your marriage and good things can come from that too. It's kind of like almost like you have to become non-emotional about it, you know? Yeah. That's the hard part. Cause yeah, I completely agree with, yeah, he's such a great person. And like, that's why I look at my life. Like, will I meet anybody that's so low maintenance as him? He's like the most low maintenance person ever. But yeah, like the same thing you're saying to Chelsea, like I, I'm a woman and I feel like I need to look out for myself and like my desires. I don't know. It's just, it's such a hard place to be in. So there's no rush at all. You know, it's good to just really like think, I mean, the only bad decisions are the really impulsive ones. So as long as you're

putting a lot of thought into this, you're going to come out and make the right decision. I hope so. One thing that might help as you're sort of making this decision is... Would it help to have sex with Eric Bannett? Would that help in making this decision? He's on offer. Clearly not. Because we could do this right now. That may help.

Okay. Would you be willing to do that if you thought it would help Eric? He acts like this, but, you know... Oh, dear. I'm sorry. He acts shy and he's... She's in a car. And, you know, like she's sharing her life with you. I was just thinking out loud.

I mean, this is a good solution, actually. I mean, this wasn't the intention of this book at all, but look, here we are now. Here we are. But as you're sort of like dealing with these two like very different decisions, one thing you can do is pretend like you've made a decision one way and sit with it for a couple of days and feel how it feels. And then take a couple of days where you've, quote, unquote, made the other decision. And like, see which one feels good, which one feels like a relief to you. Yeah. Yeah.

I've kind of been doing that over the last couple months. And I think I keep going back to leaving. And I think that's my answer. I just, I don't know, trying to make sure that's the right answer. And so I appreciate all of the advice from everybody. Keep us posted when you do make a decision. I'd like to know what happens. And Eric wants a follow-up too.

He wants to know what happens to all of our callers today. You gave Eric my number. I want to know what happens. Eric's married. I've already tried to have sex with him. It's not going to work. He's actually married happily. But, you know, listen, I think all of these conversations, like, I think a lot of women are going through this right now.

You're not alone in this. Like, there's a lot of women of our age that are – I mean, I'm sure you're younger than me. But, like, in the world today, realizing, like, maybe we don't need this partner. Maybe I certainly don't need a partner. For what? You know, you better bring a lot to the table. So like I can totally relate to why you would be feeling this way and that so many women are feeling this way.

Do you have children together? No, thank God. That's the one thing I don't have to worry about. I mean, we have a lot of animals, but no children. So, okay. Well, I would say that's your answer right there. I would say you can get out free without children. Then that, then get out.

I don't mean to be harsh about it, but that's how I feel. No, but I appreciate the harshness because I'm kind of a harsh person too. But with him, I've just been taking care of him for our whole entire lives. And so I feel like he's the one person that I'm not harsh with. And maybe I need to start. I need to do that. I don't know. Yeah.

All right, Kate, will you follow up with us? I will. Absolutely. I will let you guys know. Thank you. Good luck, Kate. Thank you guys so much. I appreciate it.

Chelsea, I think you bring up a really good point. And I mentioned this to her when we chatted in our pre-interview. I feel like for me right now, there's a lot of women around me who are leaving a marriage not because there was some big chaotic breakup or cheating or whatever. It's just because, like, I think there's something better or this doesn't feel like the right fit or we've grown apart. And that's not a bad, like, that's not the biggest failure in the world when something doesn't work out. Like, I think that's what women are coming to grips with, that it's not the end of your world if you break up, if your marriage breaks up. Like, the dissolution of a marriage doesn't mean it's over. Like you can have a new beginning and like – and, you know, men seem to have nine lives.

Men get married three or four times and you're like, oh, women just aren't as codependent. And women are like, you know, they're going through something. I mean I feel like when you have to make a really hard decision, Eric, is there a decision you can think of that you really had to struggle with? Because I always just think make a decision in either direction and then just go with that. I do sit on them for quite a long time. Like indecisive? No, no. Not indecisive.

Decisive. I don't like to feel pressured into making a quick decision, you know, so I'm comfortable sitting on it for quite a while. But it sounds like I could just hear it in a voice. She's lost some respect for him. It's hard to move past that, isn't it? Yeah, I think so. Once you get to that point. Yeah. Because it all sounds like a great idea when you're starting out, but you have to grow and evolve together. And taking care of someone is not sexy. That's not hot. No one gets turned on by that. They think they are going to like that, but there is some sort of like awakening or uprising happening with women right now. And you are helping forge that. I am. I've been helping forge it before I was even here. Well, thank you. I couldn't tell if

you were serious or not. I'm deadly serious. I appreciate that. I'm deadly serious. Thank you. Yeah. I mean, you've probably helped a lot of people really, really move on and like empower them. But I'm not like a proponent of like, I don't want to be a relationship wrecker, like, get away from him. Like, I'm not anti-man. I just think that I'm pro-woman. You know what I mean? And you're just saying it's not the end of the world. Like, don't look at yourself as a failure if a relationship doesn't work. Because I think a lot of people do have that baggage associated with it. Like, how is this going to, am I a failure if this fails? Like, how does this reflect on me as a person? Right, right, right. It's not the end of the world.

No. And you survive everything. Even if someone, like, the worst things that could happen in your life you are survivable so once you have a lot enough life experience you realize oh i'm not going to be broken you know what i mean somebody doesn't have another person doesn't necessarily have the power to break you that's kind of on you yeah it's cool it's a cool message okay we're gonna wrap up we'll be right back i'm gonna give eric a quick bath and then we're gonna be right back to wrap up this podcast the jonas brothers are running it back we live the burning up tour and celebrate the biggest Jonas Brothers hits that have defined a generation. One incredible celebration.

One unforgettable night. See the Jonas Brothers live at RBC Amphitheater, September 28th. Get tickets now at Ticketmaster.ca. Jonas Brothers, the burnin' up tour all over again. When I was 14 years old, I was kidnapped and held captive for nine months. I survived, and I've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them. I'm Elizabeth Smart, and these are The Survivor Files. I just remember this low, taunting voice next to my ear saying, shut up, don't say anything.

Every week, I'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable. I knew if he woke up, without a doubt, he was going to hurt me. I started feeling that there was someone at the end of my bed, and I just started screaming. They are abducted, stalked, controlled, and nearly silenced. But these aren't stories about what's taken from them. They're stories about what it takes to make it out alive. Listen to The Survivor Files with Elizabeth Smart on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If your bookshelf and your For You page are equally important to your personality, welcome home.

This is Prose Society, the weekly podcast that's part book club, part group chat for thought daughters, pop culture obsessives, and anyone who thinks Pride and Prejudice and Love Island deserve the same level of discourse. I'm Eli Rallo, and every week we're connecting the dots between books, the internet, and the conversations everyone can't stop having. I'm going to have to look up this story. I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed. From bestselling authors and your favorite book talk creators to the latest pop culture moments, nothing is off the table. It's like if you can hide some real messages inside compelling characters, then that is a Trojan horse. Whether you're looking for literary deep dives, smart pop culture conversations, or a community of readers who love to think a little too much, you're in the right place. Listen to Pro Society on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

See you between the pages. Hey, this is Hayes Davenport. And Sean Clements. We host the podcast Hollywood Handbook on the Big Money Players Network. Our show is extremely accessible to first-time listeners. Each week, we talk to someone in show business, a.k.a. the biz, and try to help them with their careers and see what they have to offer us. Everyone has a good time, and no one gets mad at their publicist

for letting them do our show. We've had a lot of great guests like Sarah Sherman. Not that great. Actually, can you help me shape this? how about we flip it on its head how about we flip the script what if the surprise woman who actually you think is the straight man

is actually the one who's acting weird Adam Scott this entire time you've been expecting Adam Sandler to come to visit the show I would never expect I would never set

expectations for something like that to happen if the universe allows for something like that to happen I am open to it. I'm always going to accept. You know, Danny McBride, fine. Yeah, it's all this fragile masculinity exuding. I could smell it walking down the hallway, to be honest with you.

I was like, is that weed? Nope, it's fragile masculinity. Ben Stiller, no. Because a lot of times, out of context, people don't get it or even know what a circle is. You know what I mean? Like, they're like, oh, what's a circle? Everyone's so dumb except for you.

And fake. Right, fake. And also not interested or just like, oh, I've got my life. I don't care about your life. And a lot of other big shots that wouldn't be where they are without us. Oh, and by the way, Will Ferrell told us personally he loves the show and he wants to be a guest on every episode, but he's just so busy. Listen to Hollywood Handbook on the iHeartRadio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back with Eric Bana. I'm so much cleaner now. Eric Bana, one of my favorite people. Love him so much. Love you so much. And the new show is called Untamed. It's now streaming on Netflix.

So if you want to watch some Eric Bana porn, that's where you should watch it. Six whole hours of it. Six hours of Eric Bana. You know, you don't come at us all the time. So when we get you, we have to watch it. Limited supply. Yeah, you're not oversaturating yourself. So no, it's a limited supply and we're lucky to have it.

Get it before the Wi-Fi drops out, I say. You know, like, that's right. Limited supply. I also want to say one thing about Australians before you go. I have a lot of Australians in my life and they- I don't have to rub it in, I thought. Well, not from Melbourne, most of them are Sydney. But they always think they're right about everything.

Really? Yeah. That's a Sydney thing, darling. Is it? It's a Sydney thing. Is it? Because that's what my next question was going to be. Yeah, Sydney, you need more people from Melbourne, a bit more people from real.

Yeah, explaining to me, like I was listening to a podcast with my friend, she's Australian, and while we were listening to the podcast, she was explaining the podcast to me. I'm like, I can't fucking hear anything. It's just because you always hang out in Sydney. How is it you don't have many Melbourne friends, you have more Sydney friends? I don't know because I think Melbourne people stay in Australia and Sydney people move to the States. Okay, okay.

But, yeah, Sydney is my city there. I would love to live in Australia one day. I mean, that's really just like kind of a very idyllic lifestyle. It is a great place to live. But, hey, you've got it pretty good here. You've got your little place up in Whistler there. You just get up there with your dogs. And my bear.

Your bear. And my bear that I'm going to find and adopt. Steak out on your front porch. I don't think so. I'm not that stupid. I'm hearing three properties, none of them in Australia. That's what I'm hearing. That's what you are hearing.

Yeah. That's what you're hearing. No miracle here for you. You've got this. Okay, Eric, thank you so much. It's so awesome to see you. Thanks for having me. Always, always.

Loved it. Oh, God. Okay, my remaining dates for Vegas. There are remaining dates for this year. summertime is coming and I will be in Vegas at the Cosmo doing my residency on August 30th and then November 1st and 29th November 1st and November 29th I will be in Las Vegas at the Cosmo performing inside myself at the Chelsea it's called Chelsea at the Chelsea for a reason Okay. Thank you. Do you want advice from Chelsea? Write into DearChelseaPodcast at gmail.com.

Find full video episodes of Dear Chelsea on YouTube by searching at Dear Chelsea Pod. Dear Chelsea is edited and engineered by Brad Dickert, executive producer, Catherine Law. And be sure to check out our merch at ChelseaHandler.com. i survived nine months in captivity and i've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them i'm elizabeth smart and these are the survivor files every week i'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable abducted stalked controlled and nearly silenced. These are stories about what it takes to make it out alive. Listen to The Survivor Files with Elizabeth Smart on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever

you get your podcasts. If your bookshelf and your For You page are equally important to your personality, welcome home. Pro Society is a weekly podcast that's part book club, part group chat for anyone who thinks Pride and Prejudice and Love Island deserve the same level of discourse. Each week, we're connecting the dots between books, the internet, and pop culture with your favorite writers, book talk creators, and plenty of overthought opinions. Yeah, I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed. Listen to Pro Society on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Did you hear the new episode of the Hey Jonas podcast?

We are at D23, so we'll see who stops by. The cast of Frozen stopped by. Kristen Bell, Josh Gad, and Idina Menzel. I auditioned for Frozen. What? For Kristoff. They said, okay, what are you going to be singing today? I said, I don't know.

That must have been why you didn't get it. Oh, you probably won. Plus, John Stamos, Hayden Christensen from Star Wars, and more. And I guess I can share that, uh... No way. Listen to the latest episode of Hey Jonas on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On the new podcast, Solita,

we share the messy reality of traveling alone as a woman. I can wait four hours for the next bus, or this random dude is offering me a ride on his motorcycle. I chose option B. I'm Julie Pinheiro, and I travel by myself because it's a rare space where I can say yes without asking anyone else first. I'm on a mission to reclaim the word solita,

trading the pity for possibility. Listen to Solita on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed human.