Life Will Be the Death of Me with Chelsea Handler - People on the Other Side with Laura Lynne Jackson

Episode Date: September 26, 2019

Chelsea is joined by psychic medium, Laura Lynne Jackson to discuss the afterlife, grief, and spiritual energy.Credits:Host: Chelsea HandlerGuests: Laura Lynne JacksonExecutive Producer: Conal Byrne Producers: Sophie Lichterman, Jack O’Brien Writers: Jamie Loftus, Anna Hossnieh & Sophie Lichterman  Consulting Producers: Nick Stumpf, Miles Gray, & Anna HossniehEngineer: Julian WellerThis episode was Mixed & Edited by: Danl Goodman Music by: KingsburyOrder: "Life Will Be the Death of Me"Available in stores and online now  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Pro Society is a weekly podcast that's part book club, part group chat for anyone who thinks Pride and Prejudice and Love Island deserve the same level of discourse. Each week, we're connecting the dots between books, the internet, and pop culture with your favorite writers, book talk creators, and plenty of overthought opinions. Yeah, I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed. Listen to Pro Society on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Chelsea Handler, welcome to Life Will Be the Death of Me, a production of iHeartRadio. Good morning. I am here with someone that I know a lot of my listeners and fans are very interested in hearing from. Her name is Laura Lynn Jackson. She is a, well, let

me, how do you classify yourself? Psychic medium? That would be the exact proper way to say it. Psychic medium. Psychic medium. You've written two books so far. The first book was called The Light Between Us. Yep. The Light Between Us and the second book that just came out is called Signs, The Secret Language of the Universe. And I met Laura Lynn with my book editor who helped me with my most recent book, Life Will Be the Death of Me, which this podcast is eponymously named after. And we went to dinner and she was telling me all about her shenanigans as a psychic medium. And I was like, well, I need a reading stat. So we got on the phone one night and you gave me about, I think, a three-hour reading.

Yeah, I lose track of time when I read, so it probably was about three hours. A three-hour, and I wrote a lot of it down, and some of it happened, some of it did not happen. But you said at the time that these things, you're big into manifestation and talking about writing things down, like the type of man I'm looking for

to go home and to write down all those qualities, which I believe I did. And, well, he still hasn't come, but I believe he's coming. Oh, he's definitely coming. He's going to show up. Yeah. Yeah. Because I'm getting really ready for a real relationship. Like I've almost completely lost interest in just sex. So something better come along. Anyway, your new book, I opened it up. I got an advanced copy and I started reading it. And the first chapter

was about oranges and how oranges are instruments that can be used to communicate with people who have died. Yeah. So that caught my attention because you know how I feel about oranges. And orange is the theme of my new cannabis line coming out my my book my life everything everybody needs an orange amazing and when you can hand somebody an orange it's like handing somebody a lifeline like so I throw them out at the end of my stand-up shows and I've taken the color orange back because it was such a disruptive color for me for so long after the election because it represented the

color of our president but I want to talk about oranges how you start out with oranges because once you convinced me to start asking for signs from my brother from my mother I did and then they would appear and it was mind-boggling because I didn't really believe in that and I was cynical about it I still am a little bit cynical about it but I think when you really believe in something that power is more powerful than almost anything yeah and I think you can make things happen I think we all know you can make things happen so when I asked I asked my brother to show me an orange recently I was in New Orleans I have the picture on my phone I said please show me a picture out of place and let me know if you're with my cousin who had recently

passed away uh show me two oranges if you're with him and show me one orange if you're not and i saw a huge giant oversized plastic kind of um orange on the roof of somebody's car like the size of one of those what are those trump um balloons they make what are those things called i'm sorry i'm so tired i can't even think of words you know the things that fly up in the sky like an inflated balloon like the Macy's yeah it was like one of those on top of a car and I was like okay so then Eddie's not there my cousin who passed away and I told my aunts and I told my cousins who are really grieving because they lost their cousin and their father about this book and I told them about the oranges with my brother and I told them to pick a sign for

each of them individually between their brother and their father and they've all seen signs since Yeah, it works. It does work. So why does it work? It works because, you know, death is not the end of anything. It's not a dead end. It's a doorway. And the relationships we have, the love that we have for the people who have crossed to the other side, that connects us.

And I think that when we cross, we are always looking, number one, to let our loved ones hear that we're really okay. that, you know, our consciousness survived the bodily death. And I think we definitely don't want our loved ones getting stuck in grief, you know, getting caught in a phase of living but not living or, you know, missing them so much physically that we can't enjoy life and we can't, you know, find our highest path and do what we're meant to do in the world. So I think the other side is deeply invested in trying to communicate with us and letting us know that they're around, they're watching over us they love us they're rooting us on and yes they can even guide us and that's what this language is all about you know whether or not anyone recognizes it immediately

anybody who has someone on the other side those people on the other side have been trying to guide you your whole life you know so they send default signs that's what i've learned too to identify a lot of the signs that they'll send if we don't specifically ask for something but the beautiful thing is that when we do ask for something specific, we get it. That's why, you know, I totally get being skeptical. If I didn't have the abilities I have, if I didn't have the experiences that I've had, I don't know that I'd believe in it. I really don't. You bring up being cynical, you know, being cynical. It's not being skeptical. That means that you think everybody is out, you know, for themselves and there's always an angle. I don't think you're cynical at all,

Chelsea. I think you're. Oh, yeah, I guess skeptical. I use that word. Yeah, I think if you listen to this podcast, you know that I like to correct people for doing that. And then I do it myself. Yeah, no, but you know what? Words hold energy. And I just want you to know, like, you are definitely skeptical in all the great ways that you should be. I don't think anyone should ever listen to, let's say, a supposed psychic medium, tell them something and be like, oh, OK, I believe that 100 percent. I think we are meant to go on our own journeys of understanding and we're meant to test it and seek our answers. But the beautiful thing is, is when you do get your answer, when you do get your sign, the most important step there is owning

it. What I love about you is that you tested it. It came through for you. And now you are being a teacher to others. Like, look what you're doing within your own family. You're helping to heal. You're helping to teach. You're helping others understand that there is still this language of communication. You know, we might not have arms to hug our loved ones once we cross. We might not have voice boxes to say, I love you out loud. But there are other ways that our loved ones are coming through to us, are letting us know they're around and helping us find our highest and best path because they have a way better view of things on the other side than we do here. Yeah. Okay. So this book opens, Signs, the Secret Language of the Universe. This book opens with a

story also about a group of sisters and a father who lost their mother. So these are testimonies of people who have asked, who have seen signs or who have asked to see signs. And now this group of women didn't ask to see signs right they just she came upon why don't you tell the story which one are you talking about the force three or four sisters that lost the mother the queen of hearts oh the queen of hearts story yeah that's a beautiful one that's this book right yeah that is this book that's like a couple of chappers in and that's because i've told you right i've retold the story and i'm pretty sure i'm butchering it yeah no you're actually doing a great job you know and all these stories are beautiful because they're shared by people who have agreed to share

their stories in order to help others understand so there's a woman named nancy and her mother also named nancy had crossed and you know she hadn't asked for a sign or a language and she was on a trip on an airplane when her mom crossed and she had this sense that her mom was crossing and when she got to her destination she found something very odd on the ground that day she found these playing cards and and the queen of hearts was flipped and up like up to show the picture. Face up. Thank you. See, I can't speak either. It must be New York. It is. It's New York energy. We're filming this. We're filming this out of New York City today. So she thought, you know what, if my mom were to have been a playing card, she would have totally been the

Queen of Hearts because she's all about love and she's all about that. And then she got to her next destination the next day. And there it was again, the Queen of Hearts playing card, like on a trail out of nowhere. And she started recognizing, like, I think this is my mom sending me a sign and sure enough it started coming up again and again so she kind of shared that with her family and they all started getting their own queen of hearts in like really unbelievable ways you know and it was their mom showing them like i'm with you i'm around and it it ended up really helping their entire family on this journey of grief well it's just so much more comforting to think that you can still communicate with people that's all anyone wants and when we're when we

sit in our pain and get stuck in our pain you know it's because we don't believe that we're still hurt by the loss of that instead of the gratitude for having had the time with them and the gratitude in having and and and to honor their lives you know that was something we talked about is honoring those who have died instead of mourning them of course we have to mourn for a period of time and that's appropriate but we get stuck in our grief and we got stuck in our pain And I know my entire book was about getting stuck in grief and not being aware to it or aware of it, you know. So it's really therapeutic. And I have a Facebook group, which I absolutely love, called The Orange Room, which was based on the book where people come and they talk about grief and loss.

And it's a completely supportive community. And a lot of people on that page have talked about asking for science as well. So can you talk to us a little bit like about how this works? I mean, I believe in energy. you know I don't believe in God as a person in the sky I believe in energy and I believe the fact that you could feel somebody's energy just says alone how powerful it is and that energy doesn't ever die it transforms that's a lot of Eckhart Tolle he talks about that absolutely how your energy can't die and when you're with a person who dies you can see the shift yeah and

energy leave their body and that energy has to transform into something else and whatever else that is, is essentially the essence of who you are as a, as an energy. And that is scientific to me. And that makes sense. So let's talk a little bit about that. Sure. Yeah. First of all, I love that you have this, this kind of forum and this safe space for people to examine and discuss and be on their grief journeys. I think, you know, the one absolute for all of us here is that we're going to die. We're going to leave our physical bodies. And yet we live in fear. We don't talk about it. We don't talk about our grief. You know, grief can be a really private thing, but it doesn't have to be. And I think that helping others through their

grief and helping others honor their grief is one of the greatest and bravest things we can do for each other. You know, it makes us very vulnerable to honor our grief and to trust in that journey. But I think grief is really just the inverse of love. It's showing how much we love that person. I think it's very difficult when someone we love transitions out of their physical body to the other side, because we're so used to the physicality of things here, you know, tangible things, things we can touch, things we can hold. So it's very unsettling to have faith in that or trust in that, that that person is still connected to us, still watching over us, that that consciousness still exists. And that's where signs come in. You know, what I became to understand

very early on in doing what I do, you know, being a psychic medium, basically talking to the other side. Every time I would do a reading, I would be learning from the other side. I'd be learning about why we're here, which is really so simple to love and be loved. And, you know, I would learn how the other side would be already involved in our lives. And there would be some default signs they kept showing me they would send people to get their attention. You know, one of them was putting coins in their loved one's path. And I don't know why that is. I think that when we leave our physical bodies, we turn back into light energy. And for whatever reason, it's easy for us to maybe manipulate small metallic objects like coins. So putting a coin in someone's path

on a day that's meaningful or during a moment when they're really feeling full of grief, just to let them know like, hey, I'm with you, I'm around. And I always say pay attention to the dates on the coins too, because sometimes there's a message there. Messing with electrical things, they love to do that. So, you know, back in the day it was flickering the lights, turning the TV on and off. But now that we have cell phones, I say pay attention to words that might change in your text box, odd texts you might get, phone calls on interesting dates, whether they're anniversaries, crossing dates, birthdays, because they still love to acknowledge those things. And then sending us creatures, certain creatures I've found are pretty prevalent. Birds, all different kinds of birds,

you know, butterflies, dragonflies, ladybugs, even deer. And so, you know, I'm always wondering what's the science behind this, because the truth is that I know this is real. I'm not a woo-woo person you know I was raised by two teachers I was raised to be a critical thinker it took me decades to come to terms with my abilities and own them and and honor them properly and so I'm always wondering how does this work we're in this physical world and there are certain rules you know physical rules rules of you know science that we abide by but yet the other side can still talk to us and what I found about the creatures they tend to send are all those creatures are guided by electromagnetic fields here on Earth.

So I think somehow it's easy for them to get them in our path. What I quickly began to understand is that it's not a one-sided language. We can ask them for specific things and they can send it to us. And I think that is more evidential than anything. The thing that I love about getting signs is the more eccentric you make them, the more quirky you make them, the more that monkey mind part of your brain, that frontal lobe, You know, the part that meditation teachers say we have to, like, distract when we meditate, that monkey mind, that chattering. That monkey mind will always wrestle with any spiritual experience you have.

And any sign you see. Yes. Because you'll go, oh, like my friend said, where did you see the orange? And I was like, well, you know, the first time I asked for it, I was in a grocery store. But there were two oranges separated from the pack. And I walked in there specifically to see the oranges and see if there was a sign. And she's like, well, obviously you're going to a grocery store. you know there's an argument for everything and whatever and um and i do believe it i mean i know

it now because i've because i've feel in it you know when you say woo woo i i know what you mean because of my resistance and you know there's an embarrassment to saying oh yeah i believe in i believe in it and and people are you know ashamed to say it and share it with people but it's really all that's important is what you believe yeah and if you believe in anything that power exceeds everything else and it's such a comfort to know that i can tap into my mom and my brother now when i want to i feel them around me all the time and sometimes they're not around and that's a question i have for you you know my brother died a long long time ago my mother died you know about 10 years ago what about you know i think you believe in reincarnation yes okay so

So if I'm still able to communicate with these people, that means that they haven't reincarnated. That means they're still in that land. What would you call that? I call it the other side. Okay. The other side land. We'll call it that. And by the way, if they're known for messing with technology, then that explains my entire life.

Because ever since my mother died, that is something my mom would do is fuck with my audiovisual at my house. Everything at my house is operated by iPads and nothing ever works. I can't get the music on or off. I can't get the TV on or off. I can't watch shows that I like. I just have to watch what's on because I'm scared about turning the channel. That is so funny. And that is what my mother would do.

She would torture me with electronics. So I never made that connection. So Brandon, if you're listening in L.A., which you're supposed to be, but apparently he didn't get up early enough today. That's the explanation for our audiovisual situation. So if you believe in reincarnation, what is holding these people back from reincarnating or does everybody not reincarnate? Yeah, it's a really great question. It's like how does that whole thing work? You know, I think that there's a couple things to try to understand with that.

And I'm very aware that the other side has explained it to me in a sense that it's the best that I can do to understand it and the way they're giving it to me. But I'm very aware that my brain is really like a dunce cap. You know, I have this small little mind right now. Here's what they've told me. They have told me that Earth is a school for our souls to learn a collective lesson in love and that we are only as strong as our weakest link, which is why each of us are invested in each other's journey.

and part of each other's journeys in profound ways we can't even fathom. We are really always, like our soul essence is really always on what I call the other side. And so our experiences here are almost like, this is the visual they've given me. Have you ever, do you know what a maypole is? No. Okay, so I learned this back in elementary school because we did this. It was like a pole in the ground. It dates back to like, you know, olden days, let's just put it like that.

And there were strings coming off of it, and kids would hold the strings and walk in a circle like singing songs sometimes to kind of celebrate spring. I had that with a tennis ball where there were tennis balls attached. Yeah, okay. Is that a maypole? Well, it will count for this. Like you'll totally understand it. This is what they said. They said all of our lives are really happening at the same time.

That time doesn't exist. It exists here on Earth, but it really doesn't exist in theory. And scientists have kind of acknowledged this. They used to say we were three-dimensional beings in the last 10 years. They're like, OK, actually, we're four-dimensional beings, and time is the fourth dimension. The interesting thing, too, is that quantum physicists are doing some experiments when it comes to the relativity of time and how it affects things. They watch how a beam of light passes through something.

It has to pass as a wave or a beam or something like this. And depending on whether it chooses one, they do experiments around this, right? So what they've recently proven, and I'm doing a terrible job. I'm butchering this. So anybody who's listening can Google this after. But what they've recently proven is that we all know the past affects the future, but they have proven through watching this beam of light that the future affects the past, which is really this mind-boggling, fascinating concept. But it also fits into my understanding of reincarnation, which is we're all affecting each other at all different times. And any existence, any personality, any person we ever were is all tied to our core essence on the other side.

And so it's almost like we're Russian dolls within ourselves. But time is allowing us to experience it here in a certain way. Typically, soul groups will reincarnate together. And so we usually wait till all of us get over there. And we're usually on a shared soul mission of understanding and healing and growing within both our own families and the world outside of us. And then we choose to come back together. It's almost like in a cycle.

You know, the University of Virginia has a lab that's doing some really interesting studies on past life recall, specifically in children, right? Because there's no way a child can make up anything, right? There's no hidden agenda for a child to try and talk about past life recall. And it's fascinating what they find. And it seems like if a soul comes back a little too quickly, they have past life recall.

And I think that complicates their lifetime here because then they're looking for their old mom and their old family and so forth when we're meant to, okay, now embrace this. Or, you know, I think that there's a lot I don't understand about it, but from what they've taught me, we come back together to heal each other, to help each other grow. There has never been a time that I've read for someone and, you know, they've told me, like, okay, I got to the other side, but the person I was looking for wasn't here. They had left already. That will never happen.

The people we love, the essence of who they are, their personalities are always on the other side. So you're saying my mom could be on the other side while also being here, too. Yes, she could. She could. I don't have the sense that she is back here. Right. I don't either. Okay.

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See you between the pages. Something that is interesting, when I meditate, for a while anyway, when my book was coming out and I was really focused on spreading that message of, like, you know, getting yourself better and getting yourself over your hurdles and getting out the anger because the anger is only just hurt. and I would meditate every morning and my brother and my mother would come and I would feel their energy and light and I would envision myself holding hands with them and I did this meditation for about two or three months when my book was launching

and I would meditate with them and I would bring everybody in that circle that needed healing, that I knew in my life that needed help and then I would go larger and outward and blah, blah, blah, the whole world and my father never, his energy never comes near me. And he recently died about a year ago.

And he, don't be, and he, his energy's never there. And I know my dad was a little bit, my mom was, I would say my mom was probably enlightened and my father was not. Yeah. You know, what I can tell you, it's interesting. First of all, I just want to comment on the fact that you've been meditating. That's huge. You know, prayer, when people pray, it's like we're directing thoughts to the other side,

right? And when we meditate, we're listening back. and I think people don't understand that they can spend time with the people they love to have crossed through meditation it's just a matter of opening your mind and opening your heart and doing that and so that connection is very real and very healing I also want to say that you know I actually listened to your book on audible I love listening to books too because there's a vibration in someone's voice and I just I was laughing I was crying and I just I couldn't help but feel it was so incredibly brave of you and one of the things that I have happened for me when I've read for

somebody I can kind of tap into their energy and I just saw how you were being used as such an incredible vehicle of light and healing in the world in ways that you would never be able to fully see and understand but it kind of took my breath away and I could also feel your mom and brother being part of that like they're as much a part of that book as you are as this team of light. Then from the other side, you hear bringing about this incredible healing in the world because all of our journeys are interconnected. And so through your journey, other people are learning about their own journeys. It's really brave and beautiful. Thank you. Yeah. So I love that you're meditating too because that's spending quality time with them. It's not only spending

quality time with them, but like I came from a real place of judgment, you know, a real place of judging people who believed in all of this. And even though I was guilty of believing in it when it was convenient for me. I wasn't a believer believer, you know, and I would like to think that I'm more of a believer than I ever have with less shame about it because I don't give a fuck what anybody thinks. I care about what I think.

Well, I think that's very brave to say that too, you know. A big part of it for me, like as a psychic medium, I was hiding for years, like doing it in secret, you know, helping people, like volunteering to help at grief retreats and things of that nature because there is a little bit of a big part of stigma, you know. It's like a bullseye on your head. But when you own it as a truth, you realize it's so healing and beautiful that, you know, I'm at the point where, OK, some people might arrive at this and they might not be open to it.

But I just hope that they'll question it and go on their journey, which is really what you did. And when you test it, when you try it, it works and it works in the most amazing ways. Like in real time, you will be directing your thoughts to someone you love on the other side, asking for something specific, and you will get it at the same time in like a way that you absolutely know is real. And the same way that you're saying you walked into the grocery store and there were these two oranges separate and you just knew, it doesn't matter what anybody else says. When you just know that to be your truth, it changes your reality. Yeah, because now it's become so second hat to me that like I literally can feel my brother's hand on my shoulder at times. I can hear him going laughing at something I say or I sometimes I look up and I just see my mom and my brother doing something silly for my childhood. Like it's totally at my disposal almost all the time. And, you know, I don't want to take it for granted and I don't tap into it, you know, daily. But I know it's I know I have a space to go in case I need to go there. And that kind of, you know, that stillness, sitting with yourself in meditation teaches you that you are part of a collective, that it's not just you. It's never been just you. we are all here together and the important thing is to look around and do things for other people and to think about what when you're doing something who are you doing it for is it just

for you or is it for the collective is it for humanity you know and obviously not everybody's in a position to think to think that they can are in a position to make a you know a huge impact but i would argue every little impact is a huge impact so many people say i don't have the platform i don't have you do you're a human being we all have the equal you know we all have the ability to do wonderful things we really do if you think of it like you know you are a candle you have this light you can light thousands of candles you don't know how far your light's going to go you know you don't know how large your platform is going to become and every act every thought every moment that we are making a choice here between fear and love matters and everything boils down to that a

choice of either fear or love fearing what we don't know feeling fearing that we're going to give up our power like that's never the highest path but trusting loving seeing our connections to other people is everything i think so many times people get stuck here feeling isolated and alone and the truth is none of us are alone and what can you give us a can you give us a story without mentioning any names or it can be one from the book or one that you know that really stands out to you of recent that you a reading that you had where you were able to give somebody some solace about people who have crossed over um yeah sure you know i was just at um a conference this past weekend at omega and i was working with scientists and uh investigative journalists

which i love to do right because i'm always coming at this like okay this is real let's hear what the scientists have to say let's do this and and part of it was that i was going to be doing what's called a gallery reading which i typically don't do but that's when i just opened the group and do readings you know for whoever I'm pulled to and I always know the other side has a plan you know like the I was a teacher for almost 20 years so the teacher in me is so uncomfortable with that because I'm used to going into you know a room with a lesson plan three ways to teach it and a backup plan and so when I do gallery readings I've got nothing like I have nothing until I open and then I trust the other side's going to come through but they always do and there is always

lessons you know for everybody within that and some really beautiful things happened you know just in that session alone and I think there were lessons for the whole group even though only a few people got read you know one of the things that happened was I was brought to a woman and her daughter and her son had crossed through drug overdose it was fentanyl and the drug he had taken and so he brought that up and he he told me that he was part of a team of light on the other side he showed me he was with other other people his age on the other side and they were working through all of us here to try and bring about healing and and change and he brought through a whole lot of other beautiful like information about how they were doing things in his name and

they had just organized a walk and how he was part of that and all that and then I read a few other people and then the final person I read was another woman whose son came through and he had crossed the same way and he was actually with that boy like they were both together bringing this up in this room to help us here understand how interconnected we are how we need to take a look at this how we need to stop these overdoses with fentanyl and all of this so it's really that was quite moving just to see how the other side had orchestrated that yeah and what would you say to people who have lost people to violence or lost people to an epidemic like that because that's something that we could have avoided you know gun violence a kid in a school at sandy hook a little

kid getting shot? How are people supposed to reconcile that kind of pain? Yeah, you know, I think like being in the here and now, what we're really talking about is suffering and loss, right? How do we make sense of that? How can that mean anything when a child gets shot in a school? I can only tell you what I've learned when I've connected with children on the other side who were killed by gun violence and so forth. And what they tell me is, number one, they don't want us to live in anger and bitterness. They don't want revenge, but they do want to help us bring about change. And so they work with us as a team of light to help heal and shift and change the world. And I think we do need to address that as a society. You know, we're growing and shifting

and changing together. And I think it comes back to that fundamental question of fear versus love. We're not looking at the equation right. We're fearful that our guns are going to be taken away. We're fearful of losing that quote-unquote form of power, and yet we're failing to see that true power is our ability to heal each other, connect with each other, love each other, be kind, be thoughtful. And so what we're really having, I think, in a really big way as humanity, we're having this really massive conversation about what true power is. And I think, you know, children who have crossed through violence, people who have crossed through murder are always invested in helping their loved ones here heal and also find their highest path. And when we do things in their name to bring about change, that's the most powerful thing that there is. You know, I've come to understand, too, that there seems to be some very evolved souls who have come here on a mission knowing that there was a possibility, should certain individuals make a certain choice in their life, that they could be forced through what's called like an earlier doorway through murder, through violence, through being shot and so forth. But their soul was so evolved that they said, OK, I'll come here on this mission of love. And if that happens, I'm still going to try and help heal and bring love through.

So, you know, that phrase that love always wins. It really is true. Well, I mean, do you think that people are set like do you do you believe people like their lives are set before them or that they create their their future? Like, is that done? Is this person coming into the world knowing they're going to lose their life to gun violence? That's such a great question. So it's really like our exit points predestined. So this is what I've learned. And it was both like unsettling and healing to hear this at the same time. From what the other side has told me, we all have different what I'm going to call doorways to death, different times we can exit. But, you know, the goal is to get to the last one always, you know, hopefully, you know, but a lot of times us getting to our last doorway is dependent on other people's free will choices while they're here. For example, let's say you come here and there's a certain doorway that exists that if this other person who you've never met in your life, but if that other person goes to a bar and drinks and then drives, you are going to be forced through a different an earlier doorway.

then if that individual makes a different choice doesn't do that you're gonna get to stay and the universe kind of rearranges and i i think we have some choice in that and sometimes we don't because sometimes someone's final doorway is very early in life you know i've had situations and when i read i can see what i call points of light on the other side which is maybe it's their final door maybe it's yeah but maybe it's the earliest doorway if like if a four-year-old dies yeah that's what i was gonna say is like they have contracts i'm here to come here and play a really powerful role in the world. And for some people, believe it or not, like some souls aren't even meant to be actually born. They're just meant to be a pregnancy, whether it's to feel a parent's

unconditional love or to be a point of growth in that person's life. It's kind of like there's no harm, no foul. It's all about love. So it really depends. Some people come here on a mission where their time here is not meant to be long. Some come on a mission where there's a number of different doorways that they could go through and some come and they're just they're here for the long haul I think you know we're all different souls on different levels having this collective experience and our actions impact each other our thoughts impact each other we're all intertangled in ways we can't fathom and what's an experience where you've seen where you've done a reading and saw a tremendous amount of healing take place for the people here yeah you know I think that

it's situations a lot of times it has to do with children who have crossed whose parents are left you know here just you know completely bereaved and frozen and I watch how those children on the other side have worked really hard to send their parents signs and messages to help them shift and grow one of the earliest chapters in the book talks about a little boy named Caleb who crossed during he has having oral surgery done and his heart stopped and he ended up crossing and his parents were just left completely in grief but he very shortly after started sending them signs he sent them the number 1111 and then he would show them certain like cloud contrails and he was coming through in all these different ways and when i did the reading for his parents

you know he talked to me about being a team of light and that they were going to work together to pass legislation to help save other children and that was already happening and that has come to pass you know it's in this really beautiful way to make sure that when children are having are being put under anesthesia there has to be someone else there so really it was a really amazing thing to watch his parents work with him even though he's on the other side they're here to bring about healing in this world and positive change in this world to help protect and save others from tragedy because again it's just showing how invested we all are in each other's journeys and how that little boy caleb on the other side now has such a tremendous impact on

this physical world that we're in right now bringing light bringing healing bringing love i mean i have so many um times i've done readings where i've seen that happening it's really i call it like this team of light between loved ones on the other side and people here and whenever we do anything in a loved one's name like they're with us they're part of that it's it's quite beautiful Yeah, the idea that you can bring them with you is that you can live your life with their energy still with you is powerful and comforting. I remember you talk a lot about losing your psychic abilities at the age of seven. That a lot of people do. Yes.

So what's that about? Yes, it's really interesting. You know, I think that for number one, we're all born here connected to each other and connected to the place we came from, connected to the other side. We're hardwired, right? You cannot break those connections if you tried. And when we're children, we're using all different parts of our brain, right? Even before we have language, we're reading energy. We absolutely are.

And so we're navigating our world using our intuitive abilities, using our psychic abilities, understanding those connections. But what I have found happens, and this is true with children with past life recall too, not only children with psychic and intuitive abilities, is those abilities start to shut down and become silence between age five and age seven. And so I thought about the why of that. I'm always questioning the why and the science behind it. And what I came to understand, and I'm always listening to the other side to give me tips too, and what I came to understand is that that's when formal schooling starts. That between kindergarten and second grade, we retrain our

brains. You know, I work with scientists who have done EEGs of my brain when I'm in normal speaking mode like I am right now and then when I go into reading mode and for the normal speaking mode my brain looks like most other people's all the brainwave activity is in the frontal lobe you know the brainwave activity is off the charts there and the frontal lobe is in charge of critical thinking analytical thinking language skills math skills like day-to-day stuff we need to navigate our world the only time anybody's normal brain goes offline like that is at night And that's why people will have dream visitation by loved ones at night, precognitive dreams, like dreams that are symbolic in nature that guide them, etc. But for the most part, kids stay stuck in that frontal lobe once they start school.

They get trained there and they never leave it unless they go to sleep. And so I think that's why kids are born intuitive. They're born connected. You'll hear kids talking about recognizing relatives from pictures who they never met, who had crossed before they, you know, arrived here. Yeah. My nephew, Jakey, was two years old. He never met my brother, Chet. He was our first grandson in the family. My sister, Simone's son, who's now 22. And he came into our house in New Jersey. My brother used to drive this old orange Scout. And when he died, my dad parked it in the back of the property in the woods and, you know, never wanted to look at it again because it was too painful a memory for my father. And Jakey had never seen that truck. and he came into the backyard and we were in new jersey and i remember him running in from outside and my mom was sitting on the sofa in her living room and he said and she and i was playing with him and he was you know just two so he was just speaking not not well right but he was speaking

a little and and we said what did you do outside or my mom said where were you and he said i was with chet which would be fine because we always talked about chet to my to my nephew or my mom did anyway and she said oh yeah where where was he and she said he came to pick me up in the orange truck and we went for a ride and i was sitting there and my mom and i just burst into tears i would have and you know he had never seen that car or a picture of that car you know he was too young so it was that was an example of you know i believe in children being so unbesmirched Yeah, 100 percent. Before they get into school and we program their brains to say this is what you have to think. This is pragmatism. This is reality. This is our you know, this is here and now. There is much more fantasy that comes into our mind before we get deprogrammed from it. Right. Essentially, we're connecting in different ways. You know, we're using different parts of our brain, too. So when they mind map me and I go out of my frontal lobe, different parts of my brain

light up. And those are the parts that kids, before they start formal schooling, all of us before we started formal schooling, were using. Here's the thing. You can retrain your brain. And so what scientists have said to me is there seems to be a switch that I know where it is and how to turn it on and off and open to that and shut down the frontal part of my brain.

Because when I go into psychic mediumship mode, it looks like I'm not conscious, like the brainwave activity silences in my frontal lobe. So I think we can just all learn to reopen. and I've seen this happen. I do workshops where I help people just, number one, understand that we're all energy, feel their own energy, and then start opening to it and start opening to their psychic and intuitive abilities. I call them the four clairs that we come here with. Oh, yeah. Let's talk about the four clairs. Yeah. Okay. So we all have these tools. And so this is just words to describe what they are. We have clairvoyance, which means clear seeing, which is the one that

I was talking about when we dream at night and we are seeing vividly, but our physical eyes are closed none of us talk about how bizarre that is like we have full vision but we're not using our physical eyes so that's that third eye that other cultures talk about that's our psychic vision when we leave our physical bodies to that's the site we have and it doesn't just go in one direction at one time we can kind of zoom in we can zoom out we can be in more than one place at one time we can see in you know different spectrums a lot of people who have had near-death experiences otherwise you know called ndes will talk about seeing in like ultraviolet kind of spectrum seeing colors they'd never seen before. So that's one of our abilities. We have clear audience,

which means clear hearing. And that's when you hear a thought, but it's not yours. And something scary telling you to do anything bad. But a lot of times our loved ones will connect with us that way. We'll hear their voice. We'll hear them say something. I hear my mom's voice when I ski all the time. Slow down, slow down. And with her German accent. I love that. Yes, I hear it. And I can't say it. I can't speak in the way my mom spoke because it was very nuanced and unique and she was soft spoken, but I can hear her voice. Yeah. And it's learning to trust that rather than reject it, right? Because the monkey in that frontal lobe is like, oh, reject that experience. That's not tangible. And that doesn't fit my paradigm. So once we start embracing those

moments of connection, we're basically like a flower opening up, like they'll happen more and more. So I love that you've already had that experience and that you're honoring it. And then there's clear cognizance, which we all have. And that is clear knowing. And it's when you get the sudden download of information that you just know something in every ounce of your being. Yeah. Well, sort of. Yes, it can. It can kind of land there. But it's like in every cell of your being, you know something, but there's no logical way you could explain how you know it. And when we don't trust that, when we go against that clear cognizant knowing, we're always on a bad path. Right. So that's always guiding us. The one you're talking about with your gut, that's called clairsentience. And that means clear feeling. All of us read energy like you are way advanced because you're already acknowledging that we're energy. And that's the only truth of our existence. Right. So when we meet people, we don't just meet them in the 3D, we meet them energetically. And the place that we're reading that from is our gut. It's right around our belly button, right around that area.

And so you can start, the more you tune into it, you're recognizing and you'll feel like, oh, that's where I'm feeling that energy. And that's why people talk about having gut level feelings on things. That's what they're identifying, whether or not they realize it. And being open clairsentiently, I think, is so important because when you talk about how interconnected we all are and how, you know, kindness and forgiveness, that needs to be our currency. When you're really open to that, you start feeling that there. It's just the most beautiful layered experience. You know, you want to do a quick, really quick experience. If you're

ever driving in traffic and somebody wants to go in front of you, instead of being like, no, no, no, I got to get there first, wave them in and then just take a moment to feel what that felt like. You can feel the energy exchange. No language is exchanged, you know, but you can feel that. When you do something kind for someone or you're acting from a place of, like, kindness, love, and forgiveness, you will feel that. And conversely, when you act like a fucking cunt, you feel that too. And we all experience that, you know? You say something and you yell at somebody in traffic. You feel like an idiot after.

Sometimes you can't stop yourself, right? But it's that moment of reflection that's important. Like, sometimes we're very reactive. And I think we're programmed here in this world in a very materialistic way and we have to get ahead of people and you don't let people in and you have to be guarded. and sometimes we totally act like total jerks right and catching yourself in that moment and recognizing what that felt like that's a huge growth experience yeah and because that's the difference between my psychiatrist dan who i speak about in my book uh told me you know explained to me the difference between reaction and a response yeah you know me being reactive if somebody says

fuck you to me i say fuck you back as a reaction it's actually really volleying energy you're just throwing it right back because it's defensive instead of me going you saying fuck you and I going whoa whoa whoa what did I what did I do or what happened are you all right or what did I do something to upset you that's a that's a response it's the space of awareness that that he talked to me that I found to be such a useful that's everything actually to actually stop listen to what you're hearing and don't respond in kind respond from a kind space don't respond in the way the person, you know, talk to you. You don't have to match everybody's energy. You can be still and use your own energy to guide the situation. And just by being calm in that situation,

it diffuses it. Yeah, you're really being an energy alchemist there, right? Because you're taking this negative energy that's been thrown at you, you're holding it for a moment, you're diffusing it, and then you're responding with kindness. You've changed the entire energy cycle. And the thing is, a lot of us volley negative energy to each other. Somebody says that to one person, you say it next to the next, then somebody else gives somebody else the finger. It's like this ongoing continuum of negative energy being thrown. So to be able to find that space to recognize, wait a minute, this isn't about me, but I

did just receive this energy. What am I going to do with it? We can transform it. We can release it. I teach my kids to release it. If somebody throws that at you, release it up and out of your head and let it implode into space and harm nobody um just so that they can get an understanding what that feels like so you can try that too but to be kind back is everything yeah and not to be condescending

yeah i mean that is that's huge that's like really advanced soul growth work there well i mean i'm not doing it all the time but i mean my work here is to be non-reactive to everything to not match anyone's energy and which is very hard to do because i get a lot of heated conversations and you know that's my default that's the way i grew up and that's how i made a living and how i became successful was by telling everybody to go fuck themselves so to undo that has been really challenging but it's been great work because i just feel the you know anybody who doesn't believe in energy then doesn't believe in a bad mood like that's energy right that's like if i come in smiling and i'm pissed you're gonna know that i'm pissed and faking it so you know you're

not putting on an act for anybody no matter what kind of actress you think you are because energy is everything and if you have good vibrations you have them and if you don't then you don't but it doesn't mean you can't get them so it just means you're in a bad spot or you've lost your way because people are inherently good people you know people just get lost I think so talk to me about how you first knew that you had this gift yeah so you know as a kid I I would see people in colors I would feel what they were feeling but I just thought that's how the world operated I was like yeah that's what everybody experiences and then you know when I was 11 I had this moment this claircognizant absolute moment of knowing that my grandfather who I called pop-up who I

was so close with he was such a focal point of my childhood and my heart and my life I knew he was going to die and I went and I spent the day with him and that was the last time I ever saw him alive, was diagnosed with leukemia and passed very quickly. And I never got to see him again. And I remember feeling really, like, you know, cursed, like there was something very, very wrong with me, like feeling very different. And, you know, I've always been blessed with having the most amazing mom and being able to go to her with anything. So it didn't take me long to kind of go to her and confess and say, like, Mom, I think that I'm dark and haunted and cursed. I think something's really wrong with me because I knew pop-up was going to die. And that's why I

and spent that day with him you know and she sat me down and she said Laura you know what no part of you is dark or broken or cursed you just have another ability to understand things and you know then she confessed that it had run in on her side of the family for generations and then I felt less alone but I felt like maybe I was part of some club I didn't know that I wanted membership in but I think what the great gift she gave me was to have permission to explore it Because in her family, it was like you would know people were going to die or you'd have a dream that somebody was dying as they were dying. And then you would just share it but never talk about it again and never examine it. And she really helped me to understand that it was an ability I had to perceive energy and it was really all about love.

And it would still take me decades to come to terms with that and fully own it, right, because I didn't want people to know I could do this. And it was, you know, I had to figure out where it was going to land in my life and how I would use it. But it's definitely in retrospect what I realized about that knowing, that moment of knowing he was going to cross. That was a great gift because because of that, I had one more day in the physical to spend with him. And we had the best day. Like we laughed. We were just together. It was fantastic.

And so I think like these abilities we all have to sense energy, to feel connections to people, to – and I feel like even grief. Like that's our soul feeling that other person's soul somewhere else now. So not physically both us, but we can still feel them with us. And I think honoring that is everything. So what about, yeah, but back, okay, so back to my father, whose soul I don't feel. What do you have, what do you think's going on with him right now? Well, if you want me to glimpse, I can tell you that, this, there's like a big joke between like him and your mom and brother. And he's like busy in what I would call selling cars.

No, it's like a school, like, where we're trying, like, let's say there's a class clown that you're trying to get to understand, like, no, but when you did this, you need to see how you affected the other people. It's like I'm trying to wrestle your dad's energy down so that he'll, like, really seriously do his full life review. I feel like he's taking a really long time with his life review. Not in a bad way. It's just there's a lot of people he influenced and affected that he's trying to take in and understand. It's not that he's not present. It's just that he's a little busy doing that. He's a little focused on that.

But do you think that there are different, since our souls can be, you know, like, you know, my dad did a lot of things, a lot of amazing things, but he did a lot of things that I'm sure, you know, he wasn't that proud of or that he regrets. So do you think that there needs to be some cleanup for a person like that when they die? That's a good term for it. So what I've learned and what they've shared with me is that we all have a life review and it happens like, you know, time doesn't really exist there. so it's hard to explain but it does like in a language we can understand it takes some people

more time so to speak to process than others and we all need to we're talking about men yeah we all i think we are uh i think we all need to take responsibility to the fact of understanding how we influence and affected others and we always want to own that and fully appreciate it and i think like that's what your dad's working on i call it almost like a little bit of a school there where he's taking his time with it you know he's enjoying doing he's taking a lot of breaks socializing yeah yeah but i don't get him as unhappy or stunted at all i think you know his soul had an agreement to come here and play a certain role and be quote-unquote limited in a certain way is how i'm going to say it so that the people around him could have to struggle a little

bit to grow and understand him and play their roles and by people i mean your family yeah yeah i get who you're talking about but what about his growth as a human being he's in a different like So the other side has different, like, it's almost like an apartment building of energy. So, like, I know viewers can't, you know, listeners can't see this, but, like, he's a little bit to my lower right and your mom and brother are, like, a little bit to my upper right. And so it's just, like, he's busy, like, in that classroom. Like, so if this were a high school, right, and your mom and brother already are, like, graduated and now, like, helping teach classes, your dad's maybe in, like, 10th grade. You know, he's working his way through it. Okay.

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See you between the pages. What about my cousin Eddie and my uncle Terry? First of all, I feel like this is my sense of Eddie. There's two sides to his personality. There's this fun, loving side, but also this really gentle, understanding side. And I feel like his journey here, especially if you look at how I'm going to say the ending of it is how he's giving it to me, the ending wouldn't make sense. It's unfinished is how I want to say it.

but he needs to let you know like it completely is finished this was his mission he needs you to know it was his final doorway that's what i want to say did terry cross before he did no huh i get terry like in the background and eddie moore in the forefront and my other way to interpret that would be like eddie is working with you like he's signed up he wants to help you he's like with you daily he's trying to come through and terry's more like oh okay i'm gonna watch over with my dad yeah they're like over like that's where i'm seeing him toward like that background side my mom's my mom and her two sisters and they all married three guys like my father like my uncle so i'm sure those three and they all died all three guys all my father and my two uncles

from that side all died within a year of each other who was the big smoker terry okay because i'm just getting like cigarette smoke in my face and all this and it's funny because a lot of times people on the other side will make me give anti-smoking lectures about like how bad cigarettes are and how bad he's like still smoking he's like i don't care i'm still smoking yeah like he's laughing about like this is the joke with him he's like he needs to let you know like he's still smoking over there like and he's happy as you can imagine doing that so it's like he's he's kind of funny he's not using it as much as a teaching opportunity as as more like a celebration of cigarettes for himself on the other side that's what i'm seeing constantly for him well i hope

you're happy terry but so for my cousins i have a cousins who lost a brother that's eddie is there something that i can tell them about eddie i know you're saying are there three people here that he's got like three cousins for you that he's connected to because he's talking about trying to come through to like three people of his generation here there are more there's like yeah are there three girls yeah okay because like this is what i'm seeing um there's something like he's making a joke about the color pink and i'm seeing a flamingo so i know this sounds crazy but i would say they should be on the lookout for which is i don't feel like something he would normally do like but like a pink flamingo as a sign for him with some word on it like a lot of

times this will come through it won't have happened yet so this would be just say that i'm like be on the lookout for that there's a joke in it like he's got a little bit of a like a joking personality with this so i don't know what word is going to be like accompanying this pink flamingo i don't know if it's going to be like a plastic pink flamingo or like when they see like in a picture i don't know what or an actual one crossing their path but i'm supposed to talk about that and i'm supposed to talk about that one of them really not being open to this yeah is there like a c name like a like a uh holly and katherine like it's a carry yeah there's a carry is she not as open to this i think the girls are all open to it as as much i mean as open as they've ever been okay

because of this pain or maybe skeptical like because he's really gonna prove to her like right away and i don't know if she already had a dream visitation from him but i feel like oh i'm i'm gonna show i'm gonna make sure she knows right okay okay well that's good and and then his then my aunt his mother gabby who you know has been through a very difficult he's really proud of her she's holding like what i'm going to say is triple grief somehow so there have been like either three losses or three difficult things for her um and she's going through something difficult right now too he's showing me like watching over trying to help with if we looked at her kind of life journey and path it seems disproportionately unfair is how i want to say it

this is how he's giving like she's going through a lot or this is really hard but she carries her like chin high and he's very proud of how she is navigating her grief and doing this in the world and he hears her when she talks to him but to let her know she doesn't just have to talk to him like when she's in the shower or driving like he she can talk to him at any time it's almost like she's trying to find these little spaces and no he's with her at all the time he did something with light for her like i don't know if there was like this big beam of light but it's something dramatic he's talking about okay so ask her about that yeah would it be a rainbow yeah that would make perfect sense to me i don't want to be like trite and say that but that's how i'm seeing it coming

like light come down like that so are the signs all kind of corny are they all like pink flamingos rainbows and oranges well i think he's like having fun with us right now like because it's like so like feminine in a sense do you know he's making a little joke about that definitely but i feel like now we should ask him to send like a tank like a camo tank and he'll do that too but i think that you know a lot of times you know people who are more in tune and in touch with what i'm going to say is their feminine side or what we're encouraged as women to be like open and healing and receptive where men are sometimes taught to like shut down those emotions and not feel those things. I think it's interesting that a lot of the signs do feel feminine in nature, you know,

but they don't have to be limited to that. I think rainbows are really easy for them because it's all a refraction of light. So like that's a really good one for them to send and a really kind of simple one for them to send. They're good at it, in other words. I see. Yeah. That makes sense.

But she can ask for other things. And do you feel that, so when somebody, okay, so when you say souls travel together, obviously you can't, you know, there are a lot of people in your life that are soulmates, you feel like, you know, there are friendships, there are relatives, there are spouses and children. So we can't always, you know, if what you're saying happens to be the reality that we cross over, we kind of wait for our energy groups. How, you can't wait for everybody because not everybody's part of the same group. you have all your little kind of offshoot groups you know there are friends of mine that I would

think I consider to be you know soulmates yes and then there's my family and so who gets you know like how does that all work well I think there's soul recognition that goes on and I think a lot of times we're born into families where like sometimes I'll read for someone and I'll see like they've been born into what I call like a purple family where they came in as a very evolved soul but they're usually one or more parents maybe aren't as evolved and so like the person who's born here evolved is a point of love and light for the rest of the family members to grow their soul against and yet a lot of their soul mates so to speak will be non-family members what the beautiful thing that happens when we're open and aware and we feel energy and we honor it

is those souls who maybe aren't genetically part of our family groups this lifetime will be brought into our path and the greatest thing is when we recognize that so we can create and form families of energy in a very healthy beautiful way whereas maybe the family we're born into there's always a dynamic and you know complicated relationships so i think that different lifetimes we play different roles have you ever read the book many lives many masters oh god i was just about to bring that up yes i have right so i mean that explains it way better than i can Yeah, that's a great book for everyone to read. That's my number one recommendation of books.

It's just phenomenal. But it helps you understand how interconnected we are and how we can play a certain role in each other's lives one lifetime and then a very different one in another. But I do believe, like I was saying too, like, okay, well, if we're all waiting for our soul group to get there, won't there always be like the grandchild or the great grandchild who doesn't make it? And yes, but we all are more interconnected with more soul groups than we can fathom. Okay, well, that's good to know. And it's, again, comforting. And so there's really no harm that could come from actually thinking about these things and believing in these things, whether people believe you or not. You're not hurting anybody at all. It's very healing and comforting. But I think some people think like, well, it sounds too much, you know, too good to be true. It sounds like, you know, a fairy tale or a fantasy. And the truth is like, yeah, it does sound pretty great, but that doesn't discredit it.

It doesn't mean it's not our truth. You know, the truth is that none of us, you know, none of our consciousness dies and we're all in this collective lesson of love. Like that is a beautiful truth because I think it changes how we live here when we know that to be our truth and we honor it. And the way to honor that is to test it. Right. Ask for signs. Ask for messages. Trust in the process. Yeah, to ask for signs. And just the energy shift, like, for instance, personally speaking, the energy shift that I've had in terms of quieting myself and calming down and taking my time and not being reactive and believing in my brother being around me and my mother being around me has drawn so many things into my life. like it is proof positive that happiness begets much more happiness and more like the act of happiness the act of gratitude which is a word that still makes my vagina tighten it leads to all these little gifts in your life and people show up and books show up and opportunities arise and you're like oh my god is this really and it's like flowing with the universe instead of

resisting the things that you don't like, accepting. It's so true. I love that you're saying that too about gratitude. You know, it's like if you shift your energy, you shift your life and all different doors open up. And so love and gratitude, those are some of the highest feelings we can have here. Love, gratitude, forgiveness. And there have been studies done on actual pessimists where they have them write just a very brief gratitude list each morning for 21 consecutive days because once we do something for 21 days, it becomes a habit and it changes pessimism. I thought it was three. 21, but it has to be consecutive, right? But look, you're good. You don't need to worry. You're already enough. I call it being in the flow of light. Exactly what

you're describing is being in the flow of light of the universe. It's where you're finding your highest path. You've opened your mind and your heart. You're recognizing your interconnectedness to both people here and on the other side. And you are really, what you're doing is surrendering your own kind of life to be a vehicle of light and healing for other people. And then the other side works through you. You know, I do believe in God. I believe in God as this force of love that is in all of us and interconnects all of us and is healing. And I think like that's what I also mean when I talk about being in the flow of light. It's like being in that interconnected state, being willing to be a vehicle of light and healing, doing all of that. And when you're in

that flow you can feel it so yeah gratitude is huge and the flow state like i i felt that when i wrote my last book it was like vomiting out of me and it was in the sense of such a release it was relief but it was also like oh this is the first thing i'm putting into the world that is as authentic as possible and then the and and it just flowed out and then it flowed into the world and it did everything and has continuing to do any more than I could ever dream of and I didn't put any thought into it yeah it just came to me would you say it like came through you yeah almost I would say that I mean I wouldn't say that because I'm me but I would say as close to you can as it flowed through me it definitely felt like a vomit yeah and it felt like once I

got that out and once I did the work I I did feel like a different person I just felt like now I feel like nothing matters. It doesn't matter if I die tomorrow, if I live till I'm 100. I mean, I'd rather not live till I'm 100. But you know, I feel like that might happen. Just because of my luck. I think you might be right. And, but it is such a nicer place to live to be to, you know, to to sit and listen to the energy and to, and to feel yourself and to be present in every moment that has been a huge gift and the things line up for you in that way and I've heard so many testimonies about that and I've read all you know when I read many lives for many masters it was I found that book in a seat pocket on a plane after I had just gotten into a huge fight with

somebody the night before in New York City about reincarnation and how stupid I thought that they were oh my god that's amazing and I love that the universe the next day and I was like oh god many lives and I read it from start to finish on my plane back to LA and I was like telling cut to I'd be the worst juror because I just switch sides all day long. It's like, oh, my God, everybody needs to read this fucking book. But it's a great book to read. And you're a great book. The Signs, The Secret Language of the Universe.

How can people get this? Can they get this at local bookstores? Is it out? Do you have to order it from you? It's on Amazon. It's at Barnes and Nobles. It's at local bookstores. I feel like that book will find them.

Yeah, this book will find you. But it's such a nice read. And it's so nice to hear personal stories about people who've experienced what we're talking about. because it it helps you make sense of it all let's talk about your doubt do you ever doubt your ability do you ever doubt what you believe to be true um you know embracing my abilities definitely was a struggle and there have been times i just wanted to reject it all and for me like the way it started i would know a lot of negative things that were going to happen in the world you know and i thought like why do i need to know this how is this helpful but i really

needed to push through that negative to get to the healing and the beauty and the interconnectedness and the love. So that was part of my journey. Do I doubt it now? No, I can't. I mean, it's one thing for somebody to maybe watch a psychic medium and think, well, maybe they're doing what's called a hot reading or a cold reading. A hot reading would be where like I have advanced information and I'm just pretending I don't. A cold reading is that I'm just so in tune with somebody's body language or their voice that I can kind of sense when I'm getting things right or wrong. Right. So, you know, I've worked with scientists where there's just no I know I'm not doing hot reading and I don't think I'm doing cold reading right so part of my journey has been to go to a psychiatrist to admit like I

hear voices this is what they're telling me and am I crazy and I was blessed to have this amazing psychiatrist he was like well what are the voices telling you and I'm like well it's the person's grandmother telling me that she's so happy this new baby just arrived in the family and you know happy birth and he's like well that's beautiful and the world is more magnificent and complex than we know so carry on you know I went to then scientists to make sure that I would participate in like a quintuple blinded study, which meant there was no way that the researcher could cue me as to the information I was bringing through was right or wrong because they had no clue. So that eliminated cold reading. And I think it's really important to do that because I think

the fact that this is real has really powerful implications for humanity, not just for me in my life. You know, so it has gotten rid of any doubt that I had in terms of, is this real? Is this not real? Where am I getting this information from? You know, when I read psychically, I get this kind of widescreen TV that goes on my mind all my psychic information comes on the left and mediumship comes on the right and it's a very different feeling for me so when I read psychically I'm reaching and I'm looking for information and mediumship is just I sit back and these energies these points of light come to me and just give me information and their personalities are there and it's like it's this wonderful experience because I get to meet all new people you know I've had

situations where I'll be talking to someone and I'll be like oh yeah I know that person and I realize well I didn't get to know that person until after they crossed but I know that person we're friends now, you know, is that sort of odd experience for me. But it has really expelled all doubt in my mind about existence of consciousness after bodily death. It's changed how my life journey has gone. It's changed like little things that happen day to day in my own life that might be an annoyance. I can often see the bigger picture of what's really going on. It changed my own grief journey when my father crossed, you know, he's like a way better communicator now than he was when he was here. And I watched how it changed my whole family. Like we were, you know,

texting every day like this is what dad just sent me he sent you that at the same time like it was it was really amazing so I don't have any doubt in it anymore I don't have any doubt in my ability to connect with that but here's the thing what I know to be true is that we all have these abilities and what I know is that anyone who wants to explore them and wants to open will have experiences nobody ever ever needs to go to a psychic medium to get connected or get their answers we can do this for ourselves. And that's, I think, what I would want everybody to know is to trust themselves. Try to challenge the doubt they have within themselves. Don't believe me. Go test it for yourselves. Go explore it. Because being open-minded, I mean, being closed-minded prevents

you from seeing these things. Yeah. You're not open to it. So much. So there's no harm in being open to it because there's all sorts of magic happening. It really is. That is the word I would use. It becomes so magical. But I have a bigger beef with you because you also told me during my reading that Bob Mueller was going to be the end of Donald Trump. Something along the lines, those lines. I asked you specifically about my boyfriend, Bob Mueller, and you told me it was going to be great when his investigation was done. So explain that. You know, I think that there is a lot. So when I read, I read energy. And if I said that, I'm going to stand by that. A lot of times too, I get what's called psychic amnesia. So I'll bring things through and then I won't remember

much of what I said. How convenient. Yeah, that is convenient, right? It sounds like a cop out. But what I am going to say is that there is a lot – when we talk about free will choice, we talk about other people's energies affecting discourse, dynamic, the way things go. I think that there has been more buried than we can possibly fathom. And I don't fully understand all the reasons, but I feel like sometimes the truth would be a little bit too much for people to own and deal with. Like what if, just what if? The actual outcome of the election really wasn't what it seemed to be. What do we do if we bring that truth out? How can we undo it?

Like that would just put us into chaos. So sometimes I think things need to play out a certain way. What I do know is that even though it might seem like we're in terribly dark times, right, with people really arguing with each other and hating each other and being on such opposite sides, I think we're in a tremendous time of growth. and I think that even though it seems dark it's incredibly light-filled people being called into action we're being questioned people are being asked to examine basically what they're afraid of like why are we afraid of losing power why are we afraid of losing guns why are we afraid of letting people here into the country like what is it we're afraid of we need to examine that collectively together to me I actually do feel like that has like that's it hasn't been remedied

but it's being addressed in a way that still needs maybe a little more time. And I think that there have been things that at the last minute, somebody said, no, we can't release this. No, I'm not going to step up and do that for maybe reasons we don't fully understand. You know, I kind of kept journals of things. A lot of times when things go on in the news, I try and see like, okay, let me tune in. Let me see what I think is going to happen. And every now and then I'll feel like a sharp turn or a change. It happens in my own life with things too. Like I'll see a certain project and then, you know, I'll call someone involved and be like, everything just changed. What just happened? Because the whole energy is

going in the opposite direction. And the person will usually be like, oh, I got this phone call and this just went a different way. So I do think the energy that each one of us brings can affect situations. Can it affect a massive situation like that? Yes. Do I think that the truth of the Mueller report is right there for everyone to read? Yes. Do I think that if we don't own things in the here and now, we have to own them once we cross? Yes. Responsibility is responsibility. It's nice when it plays out here on the earthly realm and we can kind of get through it. Yeah, I don't want to go over there and just start getting spanked or anything. No, you're not. I'm not talking about you here. Okay. Yeah, I copy that. Okay. And also, well, let's talk about

me let's end because we have to wrap this up but let's let's end with me i would like to know so when i had my reading with you probably a year and a half ago was just when i was writing my book i was in a like a very tumultuous not a tumultuous time i was just about to you know i was right in the thick of therapy and i was starting to figure everything out and i had started writing my book and you told me it was going to be number one new york times bestseller which was right but also i've had previous new york i don't know that you needed to be psychic to know that about you Chelsea. So I'll kind of give you that one. But you did say you were very optimistic about me meeting somebody that I could be in a relationship with. And I was just starting to open my mind to

that. So tell me what you think about that and what you feel just by being around me about that. I remember writing down what I wanted in a guide because you told me to. And I was kind of half asked, but I did it anyway. I wrote down a lot of what we talked about. I haven't looked at it in a while but i remember some of it and then you know i told my makeup artist here in new york to do that i said you have to write down everything that you want if you're really serious great because i couldn't tell if i was really serious about meeting somebody or not i thought i was but i was like do i really want that and she did it and she came to my hotel room yesterday and she's like i did what you said i wrote it in my phone which you told me not to you told me to

write it on paper but i wrote it in my phone she goes and i met the guy yeah it works it works so here's the thing I want to tell you about you I remember seeing a relationship for you and I do feel like you had a little flexibility in terms of pulling it closer or leaving a little more space and I think you've done a really beautiful thing in your life I think you've given yourself this beautiful space to explore and clear and like get really like clean and shiny in terms of your own energy and who you are I think that's a gift you've given yourself there is absolutely going to be a relationship there is no way to change energy and not allow that to flood in i think it is much closer than you know i feel like it's right now it's right on top of you

so either you've just met the person and you don't fully know it yet you're about to meet the person it's right here and i see it evolving over the next year and a half and it being this really really deep soul connected relationship that had you tried to arrive at that earlier you would have missed it it's like being on a different you know yeah or being on a different floor like we're on the you know a certain floor right now like people three floors below walking you might not see them you needed to arrive at yourself before you could arrive at the relationship and I think there is no way to stop it now in a beautiful way it is set its course is set the universe has magical ways of drawing people together I think the really exciting part for you is where is it

going to show up because i think there's still some surprises for you and it might interest be like interesting in retrospect you know years later looking back being like look how the universe organized me meeting this person like how it got us in each other's paths so through raya that's a dating app that i'm on that i'm hilarious yeah maybe that's how i made him on a dating app that's not my sense of it okay but i love that you're out there you're hilarious i mean it's seriously we still have to have sex here's the thing too like weak men fear strong women yeah I don't want to be fierce you're fierce right so we've also needed to wait for everything to be kind of organized because the person you're going to be with is not like anybody you've ever been

with before there's not going to be work you need to do to fix the person to help them grow like they're going to come at it from a place of being a very evolved soul too and so that's going to be an incredible connection and relationship. I think it's going to surprise you in a lot of ways. All right. Well, good. I'm ready. I think I'm ready. I hope I'm ready. I'll report back. You guys will know if I'm ready. Laura, thank you for coming in to the city

and meeting me. It's so good to see you. I love your books. And I know a lot of other people, too. So it's called Signs. The Secret Language of the Universe is her latest book, you guys. If you want something to make you feel warm and fuzzy, then you should read it. Thanks so much for having me.

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