Life Will Be the Death of Me with Chelsea Handler - The Cannabis Conversation

Episode Date: September 19, 2019

Chelsea is joined in studio by Allison Statter and AnnaRae Grabstein for a conversation about all things cannabis.Credits:Host: Chelsea HandlerGuests: Allison Statter & AnnaRae GrabsteinExecutive Producer: Conal Byrne Producers: Sophie Lichterman, Jack O’Brien Writers: Jamie Loftus, Anna Hossnieh & Sophie Lichterman  Consulting Producers: Nick Stumpf, Miles Gray, & Anna HossniehThis episode was Engineered, Mixed & Edited by: Danl Goodman Music by: KingsburyOrder: "Life Will Be the Death of Me"Available in stores and online now Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Did you sleep over last night? I did. Oh. We cuddled. Oh, okay. Thank you. You're welcome. Hi, everybody.

It's Thursday. I had a new documentary come out this week called Hello Privilege. It's me, Chelsea, which is streaming on Netflix. Brandon, did you watch it? I have. Mm-hmm. You have? Yes, I've seen multiple iterations of it, and then I did watch the final version.

And what was your takeaway? That we're all inherently privileged. I mean, that was from the beginning of watching the process is that you don't think of your skin colors providing you something that it does. What resonates with me the most is the unconscious bias. The stuff that we grow up with, the stuff that we are kind of made to believe is true. Totally. Or these ideas that are inculcated in our mind,

this system of, you know, a zero-sum game kind of thing where you have to be doing better than everyone else around you. And in order to do that, you have to keep people down. Yeah. And I think unconscious bias is something that all of us can relate to because we are judgmental. Whether we act on it is one thing, but it's okay to admit that you have stereotypes in your head about people.

That's all right, I believe, because then you can begin the process of unfurling those stereotypes and those judgments against people. Or, you know, I know personally I felt superiority in my life, not to just people of color, to all people just because of my position in life. I've definitely had moments where I felt superior to someone, you know, and I had to undress that in a big way because there is nothing that is superior about one person over another. You can see in the documentary at times, too, where it's uncomfortable to acknowledge those things. And that's why people don't want to do it. They don't want to acknowledge their privilege or the things that they're provided or your bias towards a certain group of people.

And until you do and until you make yourself uncomfortable, you're not going to get better. Like, we're not going to get better as people. Yes, exactly. And the thing that everybody says is they don't like to get involved. They don't want to deal with conflict when anything's uncomfortable. And I would argue it is our business to make ourselves uncomfortable. We owe that to everyone we've discriminated against as a white culture. We owe that to be uncomfortable.

Yes. And to go directly to the source and ask the questions that it's so interesting because I see a lot of feedback on your social media about people saying that you always put yourself in these uncomfortable positions of no one wants to sit down and talk about something that is one difficult but two that is a poor reflection on a larger group of people that all white people have a lot of work to do to make up for the discrimination for the bias that they have over minorities and you're willing to do that and it really I think you know a lot of people are commenting that they want to put themselves in those positions as well yeah that's how we're

going to progress yeah and it is our onus it is upon white people to deal with this problem we cannot place it on people of color to fix the situation that we created yeah so i'm really really thrilled with all the feedback i will be putting up books and actionable ways that you can get involved if you want to do something which i hope you do on my instagram stories on my social media platforms and i want to continue this discussion because obviously i will make more documentaries and i am just getting started on this subject matter so i would love everybody to give me their feedback because the more you know the more you grow brandon right and now you're growing into something else so the documentary wrapped up and you kind of put all of your

attention finish the book documentary and now the cannabis line wow look at my producer just bringing it full circle brandon we are just a fine couple aren't we dynamic duo we are things are really gelling around here yeah really so we have announcement about my weed line i guess all of you guys have been hearing about all the vaping issues and obviously I am not ever going to put out a product that I don't feel confident about being good for my customers and safe. So we are going back to the drawing board because I don't want any chemicals in my vape pens. You are very adamant about this. Well of course. I want everyone to understand well because from this process we've found other companies may not have the same ethos. Ethically it is very important to take out

all the chemicals like acetate E and polyethylene glycol and polyethylene glycol. I probably said that wrong. And vegetable oils. This is all information you guys don't need to know. But me as starting this brand, I won't do it. So I am postponing the launch of my weed line, which was supposed to be in November, just in time for the holidays. We are shooting for February now. And that's the reason why. So I just want you to know that I am working hard on this to make this as pleasurable but more importantly as safe as possible for when my brand launches in February and when it does you'll know about it so just so FYI we recorded this episode a few weeks ago because we had one of my partners Anna Rae from NorCal which is the company I partnered with for

my cannabis line and my sissy manager partnered sister brother mother father sissy well first Allison let's just talk about our history first of all Allison is Irving's daughter yes Irving is my nugget. He's my manager from when I quit E and forgot to tell everybody. Irving and Shelly's daughter. Right. Shelly is part of the Los Angeles mafia. And if you run into her, just watch your back. Irving was my manager when I left E and I forgot to tell E that I was leaving. So I needed a manager to deal with them because they got pissed at me. I always forget to do things like that. Anyway, so he's been my manager since then. And then Allison can even join the team. Well, You did my 7-Up commercial, and we did any endorsement, branding stuff I do with Allison.

I started on all the brand stuff, and then we had a love affair. Then we decided that Irving Azoff is, well, old, and Allison is young and a newer, improved version. And she likes weed. And she loves weed. Irving won't smoke weed. This is Irving. We did get him stoned once. We did, yeah.

When we went to Coachella when he had Steely Dan playing there. Yeah, we got him high once, and he fell asleep at the table. No, he drove the golf cart into the – remember he went forward in the golf cart instead of backwards? But we got him stoned the other time, and he fell asleep right at the table. That was stupid. But there's no point in getting him stoned. He's too old to enjoy it. I like old men, though, that do want to get stoned.

That's what I'm into. Yeah. You know, anybody who doesn't – his smoke pot is kind of hard for me to take seriously or take edibles. Like, if they're not down, then it's almost like – then that screams to me uptight. Controlling a little. Just, like, not wanting to lose control. You like people that are open. Yeah, you want to be, I mean, yeah, you want to be open-minded, not closed-minded.

I don't want fixed opinions about anything. Like, I like to change my mind all the time. Oh, all the time. Thank goodness. Brandon, I would bite your tongue right now. I think she's very. And I'm here with Anna Rae, who's from NorCal, which is the company I partner with for my weed line. So we're here to discuss cannabis today and my passion for it and my new cannabis line,

which Allison is in charge for introducing me to NorCal. So she's my little nugget manager. Anna Rae, can you tell us what your position is, who you are, how we met? Sure. I am the chief compliance officer for NorCal Cannabis. That's my partner. Yes, we are partners. And at NorCal Cannabis, what I do is I do public affairs.

So I talk with government officials and elected officials about the cannabis industry and try to make it so that the legal framework is something that works for everybody and that the industry can flourish. I also oversee all of our licenses, so I make it possible for us to operate our business and get to make great products that we can bring to all of you. And I have been in cannabis for about 15 years. so I have really dedicated my whole professional career to this vision of creating long-term substantive real opportunities in cannabis for people because it really has changed my life in a way that I haven't been able to get away from it it's just cannabis has followed me it's had a tremendous impact on my opportunities on my vision on my direction and it put me through grad school. So what we're building now with NorCal is basically the dream realized of what

I've been trying to work on manifesting for a really long time. And so it's really exciting. The company is growing. We have tremendous partners like you, Chelsea, that are a part of what we're doing. And it's just, it feels like there's nothing that we can't do. And I'd also just like to add, because I work so closely with the NorCal team, that you guys have incredible talent, that you're bringing in such amazing people. And I've been just so, you know, such a pleasant surprise to see how professional everyone is and how legit everyone is. And you are bringing over talent from places like, you know, Twitter and Airbnb and like all of these other categories where people are really smart and having thriving

careers and are leaving those stable categories and coming into cannabis because it is so real and because it's becoming it will be legalized nationally sooner than later and it's just an awesome learning experience especially for me and in in what I do on a daily basis to meet the team and see the people that you guys are bringing over to to NorCal it's been a tremendous honor to as we've grown the company for people to want to join us who have never been a part of the cannabis industry before. And to me, it speaks a lot about what we have accomplished, that people decided that they were willing to leave behind something that was more conventional and try something else. But one of the things that's also neat about our company is that we really were

founded by people who have been in this for a long time. And so a core group of us really are carrying a flag about the heritage of the cannabis industry and the culture that we've created in California and and we look at this dynamic that we're creating of sort of the rootsy OGs and the new people who are coming in from marketing and tech as as creating a really a dream team for us to be able to to be able to stay authentic and humble to where we came from but also to be able to take on a lot of the other big influences that are going to be coming in and do something that's really impactful.

I didn't know we were supposed to get stoned for this episode. I was trying to clean out my system because Anna Rae, you told me, or someone from NorCal told me, in order to maintain a level of... To maintain a low tolerance. Right, a solid baseline.

Yes, you just need to be high all the time and then you can just be extremely functional. My problem is that I have such a high tolerance that the weed is just going through me. Like it's not having any impact. So I needed to take – someone from your team told me to take either one day a week off of cannabis or one week a quarter, one week a quarter. And I don't know how to divide quarters, so I just started taking a day a week off. Also taking a week off.

But that isn't today, right? No. Well, I just took a THC capsule that somebody gave to me at one of my shows on tour. It's 10 milligrams of THC, and they get you pretty fucked up. Brandon, do you want one? No, I'm good. Thank you. Brandon, are you stoned?

No. Okay, so everyone here is – are you stoned, Anna Rae? Only a little. I'm baseline. Let's talk about cannabis. I love cannabis. So let's talk about everybody's introduction because I was reintroduced to cannabis when it became legal in the state of California. And what I've discovered is that it's a much nicer way to go through life.

Everybody's a lot less annoying. Everybody's a little bit more tolerable, and I'm able to sit still. it's helped me meditate, and it's helped me be less reactive. Brandon, you didn't start using drugs until you started working for me. Is that correct? That's correct. Tell us about that. When I started, I wanted to get on Ambien, and you said no,

that getting on a sleeping pill was not a good idea and that I should just take a bite of an edible before bed, and I really did not want to do that. I like how he talks about getting on Ambien, like he's riding it. It's like, I want to get on that. Ambien can be incredibly dangerous, too. Yeah, that's why I advised him against it, sissy. Right.

Thank you. She always knows best. Saving his life, sissy. So I waited a few weeks, and I was like, I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. And then someone at work gave me a peach ring, and that was my introduction to it. I just took a little bite of this candy peach ring before bed, and I melted into my pillows. Like, it was the best feeling in the world.

And I thought, Ambien can't possibly give you this feeling. Well, you also don't remember it when you take the Ambien. Like, you take the Ambien, you go to sleep, you wake up. Ambien's for birds. It's the worst. You don't know. I woke up with an empty pot of spaghetti in the driver's seat of a car. Naked.

No, I would have my clothes on, but I had my eye shades around my neck, and I had an empty pot of spaghetti in my car in the passenger seat. And you had no recollection. And apparently I went for a drive, and I cooked spaghetti. Because we don't keep pasta in the house, so we had to find it somewhere. So I either had to get it to go and then went to a restaurant and cooked it. Who knows what happened? But all I know is that was the last time I took Ambien.

Maybe one more time after that. But now I've turned people on to it through that same way, that if people are having a hard time getting to sleep, because it just puts you in a nice state before you fall asleep. Like it's not going to knock you out, but if you're ready to wind down at the end of the night, just take a little bite of an edible or a blueberry, the Kiva blueberries I really like. And that just puts you in a good sleep space.

It is. It's really calming. And I think people are afraid of it. They don't realize how much it can actually calm your system. I mean, it can also do the opposite if you don't, you know, if you misuse it. But I feel like now with how it's dosed and everything about it just is incredibly calming. And I think people really need to embrace that piece of it. Yeah, I think everybody, you know, I had a problem with sleeping pills.

I took them all the time. And the biggest thing for me was switching from sleeping pills to pot to go to sleep. So, Anna Rae, what are the biggest complaints you hear? Anxiety, sleeping, what? Of the reasons people use cannabis? I think that people like to use cannabis to elevate their consciousness in all kinds of different ways. And it's just to open up and to level out. and so all the things that you're talking about

about being able to handle life better that is absolutely what the average woman I think is really looking for and gay man and gay man and women and gay men are on the same page about a lot of things oh yeah we should band together and those men should just come with us

I mean my husband's on my page he's not gay so I don't know where that puts him but he's on our page so I do I actually don't think that it's limited to gay men like I think that there is no cannabis is for everyone that's one of the things that's so amazing is that it crosses all demographics when we have looked into who the cannabis consumer truly is it really is everyone it's not one age one gender one race it's everybody and that is

something that I can't think of another product that crosses so many boundaries and can bring people together can make people happy when they're alone can heal can heal i mean it basically is as good for you as fiber yeah that's good to know avocados fiber cannabis kale everybody loves kale people can't get enough of this shit they've moved on to brussels sprouts uh no brussels sprouts are already out they didn't even stick around for very long people are already over brussels sprouts now it's cauliflower so that's true fucking roughage anyway I feel like a lot of my girlfriends have major anxiety about having an edible people have this thing because everyone's been served a bad edible everybody's had been OD'd you know and and been in a corner of a room in my experience I was

in Mexico I watched six of my family members just pass out in front of me and I sat in the dark for four hours so I know what a bad edible those were that was a chewy chuba and those were strong and And I like Chewy Chubas, but not with my family again because they're pussies. What are you laughing at, sissy? Your sister has a very different version of that story. Oh, really? I would like to hear it. I mean, she acknowledges that the time she does it, that she doesn't necessarily love it,

but that she's always happy that she does it and she always has fun and laughs and then passes out. So she has a different version. My family's weak, and all the girls are weak to drugs. they have a low tolerance and so you give them an aspirin and everyone you know looks at you sideways so fuck them no they're good people well i will say you know your dosage yes when you're when you're in a room with someone you can tell me like when i got you those thc pills oh sorry we shouldn't say that because she said she got them in denver when you got those thc pills and i saw them these are the ones that you got me that's fine to say i don't know what what

i'm taking yeah she can't remember a thing because she's always stoned but so i i had given her the THC pills and I'd asked her how they were she had taken them one day she's like I was off the walls like this is great I love this and she goes but you can't have one you couldn't you couldn't tolerate it and I trust that I know she knows what's best for me just like anyone else she's like oh you know Mary should not have a blueberry or so and so should definitely Mary doesn't like Mary doesn't like the weed but most of my friends everyone I know now takes edibles almost every I mean my last night I was out with my friend's mom and she was like bring the blueberries the ones you're talking about yeah that everyone loves what's so amazing is that now people can find

their dose and so you said that you got into this a couple years ago with legalization i've been in cannabis for a long time and 10 years ago there was no such thing as dosing and so that's why people have so much fear from edibles is because everybody has a story of their friend from high school that made brownies and they were hiding under a sheet on the couch all night but now that you have dosage because we have a regulated cannabis marketplace this is not the same thing and when you're talking about a blueberry or an edible like you can depend on good products and you can find stuff in the market that that you even if you're afraid to try the first time maybe once you try it you realize that it was a good experience and that you can go back and you can

keep having the same experience because there's like consistency well you know what's interesting about that is a lot of times when people are reintroduced to it they will take something like a blueberry or a small piece of chocolate and they'll say like i had a friend say well i don't feel any like i don't feel fucked up from this and i think the whole point is that's not how you're supposed to feel anymore you're not supposed to feel fucked up unless you want that you want to feel like you're taking the edge off yes sanding down the edges sometimes i do really well then you take a green sometimes I'm like hiding in my front you know like my front lawn yeah because I'm like oh god it's been a day but I think just to go back to what you're saying

and and I think I see it in a really different perspective as someone who like grew up in Los Angeles and has been around this culture for a very long time and like you know for me I yeah I smoked a lot of of pot in college and coming out of college and then I did have kids and I did sort to take a break from from it because I did have that fear that you're talking about because everything becomes greater when you become a mom right okay there's so much more just calm down to lose so for me it was getting reintroduced I got reintroduced to it when packs came out with the vaporizers that you put the actual flour in the bottom of the vaporizer and it was life-changing it to your point and to your point it doesn't get me fucked up it genuinely I think makes me

better at everything in a good way, in a positive way, in the sense that, like, I have more patience, I can communicate better, I, you know, I see the world so much better in a more positive spin, I have, you know, more clarity all the time, and I think that, you know, I wish for all of, you know, people that I care about that are in anyone, that they can embrace it like that, because if people keep having the stigma around it, and that's why I'm so excited for you to do this brand because I think that people trust you and I think that you have such you've done not on purpose but but you have done your research because you because it has impacted your life so positively that the authenticity that you bring to

it in the conversation that you can bring to it that you can get people to trust you that it's actually going to benefit them in the long run is like really awesome so I'm super excited you know to be able to watch that come into the marketplace and hopefully help other people. Yeah. And I think there are different reasons for everybody. You know, like you're saying, like there is a time, you know, that THC capsule, like I was out to lunch with my friend. She was going through a hard time. We're sitting there and it hit me two hours after I had taken it. So I was, you know, driving along with my driver, Billy, and he drops me off at lunch. And so I was fine when I got there. And then halfway through, she's pouring her heart out

to me and I was stoned out of my mind and I was this was just this weekend and I was like uh uh and finally she stopped I was like I just got to tell you I'm super high right now it just hit me I took a capsule about three hours ago I can hear you I just want you to know I don't know where this is going and then I was able to enjoy myself yeah because I knew the pressure was off I didn't have to drive anywhere you know what I mean I was in a situation where I could be okay a safe space safe space which is what it's all about that is what it's all about like I think you have to have like a mantra for yourself when you're getting stoned. A, I'm not going to be a fucking pig. And B, I'm in a safe space. Like set an intention, you know, how they talk about when you meditate

and all of that stuff. You know, you can just say, I'm going to have a great time. And if you want to try something out for the first time, do it at your house where you're relaxed with people that you feel safe with and just try a half of whatever you really want to try and see how it affects you. And then the next night you can have a whole one if you liked it, or you can never do it again but i think it's a really important to impress upon people to really this is helpful to you and it's out there and it's ready for you to grab the truth is there for you to grab write that down please somebody grab the truth grab the truth by the balls okay we're going to take a quick break and we'll be right back get bell pure fiber internet with crave netflix and disney plus

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so you don't have to wait two hours like you did at lunch and like find yourself in some awkward spot you can try it and then you can decide to like take another hit or take another hit after that because you feel it right away and i think that's a really good entry point if someone feels comfortable with the vape and and going through that process of inhaling something and i know some people don't and they want to eat which is cool but i like to be able to feel it right away So then I can make the choice of like, do I want to go deeper? Do I want to go one more time? Or am I good?

And then you can just be like, cool, I'm good. And also it doesn't last as long. When you take a hit of a weed off a vape, it's like 30 minutes, right? Yeah. What is the time for that? Is there a time? No, I mean, everyone is different, you know, like how much coffee you had and how much food you ate and how much you're sweating, all those things.

It's like moving through your system. But I don't know, for me, I think 30 minutes sounds about right. But that's also why edibles can be unpredictable for a lot of people is because it depends on what you've eaten, kind of what you have going on. And so it can be delayed or it can hit you right away and fade faster or you end up taking two because you're like, well, I haven't felt that yet, so I'll take another. That's the mystery. Part of it, though, if you can get over that fear and just do it, that process in and of

itself is good for you. Well, I think that's the thing. Everybody has this fearful nature about it if they're resistant to marijuana. Some people aren't. Some people are like, yeah, let's go full throttle. Some people are very fearful. And that fear will drag into your pot experience unless you release it and say, I'm not going to be fearful right now.

This is fun. I'm at the beach. I can take a five milligram and handle it myself. I'm not going to die. And it's just going to improve your beach experience. And yeah, right. And who knows? Maybe you'll get on it.

The thing that I find to be always a conversation starter when it comes to cannabis and I'm at, you know, dinners with friends or with couples is I watch my friends drink after drink after drink and I'll have one to their like three and it's because I've you know either gotten stoned before I got there or gotten stoned while I was there or whatever it is they wake up feeling like shit when they're drunk it's not as cool you say some stuff you probably wouldn't say when you were stoned like it's not like well when you're stoned you can't remember what you were going to say so it works out perfectly well that's just in isolation to me and you that's our special time together that's called that's called a plus plus time we'll be like in deep conversations and

she'll just be talking i'll look at her i'll be like what are we talking about and then i'll be like i can't remember i don't know and then usually she pees at some point i've stopped peeing but she continues to pee she peed on my hotel room floor in some city on my first weekend at tour she peed she we were laughing so hard in my hotel room we were that is not a side effect of being a mother having three kids and and and having chelsea make you laugh way too hard anyway we were facetiming with her husband and then she dropped trow and fell on the floor and i looked out from the bathroom i was like what the fuck is going on out there and she's on the floor with her ass out just urinating i mean it was really just a low point i don't think

i could get my pants off either way your husband hung up he's like see you later girls he's like yeah it looks like a work trip over there yeah boondoggles what we call that Anna let's talk about because we came up to Santa Rosa where your headquarters are located because we've been coming and brainstorming and getting my brand together which is we're going to announce whenever we can once we get our name trademarked and you had like a party for us which was so lovely and you had CBD drinks which for me you know I've been pivoting to cannabis rather than alcohol I went through a phase where I realized I didn't have to do both at the same time and then I just veered towards the cannabis it was a perfect party for me

because you had the cannabis drink so you were getting stoned while you were drinking which is genius and that's what everyone's going to start doing in no time but sissy you've seen firsthand me change my drinking right yeah you've seen me when I was 100 well tell us about that for people out there who are like me no yeah I mean when I first met you you were a heavy drinker I think that you and and that's what I love so much about you is that you're so open and vocal like you don't you don't care what people think you just want to share who you are and all those things and you did that with liquor too like you would be like I love my vodka and I'm gonna drink vodka and it gets me drunk and I love it and boom that's that and then when you kind of transition

into this cannabis again it was it was it was organic for you it wasn't like you consciously were like I'm gonna switch to cannabis it was kind of that perfect storm for you with cannabis and with therapy and with meditation and they all played into each other and because you were getting so much fulfillment from that piece of your life like the liquor became less and less and less unintentionally and yeah you still have a drink here and there but it's like me I'm I'm one to three compared to some of my girlfriends or you know anyone and and I think that it it has had a massively positive impact on you and and I've noticed just how I mean I know you're gonna laugh at me but you're just softer because of it I think you're softer partially because of the

cannabis but I think you're you're softer because you don't drink so you're not like feeling shitty right like yeah you don't physically feel shitty well the best part is everyone's saying oh wow you look so great and you you start to drop weight and then that becomes addictive so it's just vanity I like to look good like and as you age you have to be careful with alcohol and then what it does to your skin and bloating yeah but you didn't even realize that until you stopped drinking no everyone who drinks every day yeah that they're not a victim of that until you stop drinking and you're like oh oh I'm thin I could be it could be so much easier I don't know I don't have that I don't drink a lot and I'm not, so if you could figure that piece out for me, that'd be great.

But yeah, I, I, I think that the transition that you've got, that you've had from being a heavy, heavy drinker into now, you know, a casual social drinker has been a really positive thing for you and, and just your whole being. So you can make amazing cocktails with cannabis and you can put alcohol in them, but you can also skip the alcohol. Yeah. And when you came and we had the party, we were doing like cucumber mint juice with tincture in it. And some people were putting tequila in it with the tincture and some weren't. Oh, I would have done that had I known that was an option.

I think I did that. Yeah, good for you. But, you know, I think that alcohol and cannabis in one beautiful cocktail together is like the very best time ever. That's like an eight ball. Oh, it's amazing. But also, if you are going down the health path, It's like the idea of still getting to have a delicious, luxurious drink with your ladies. Like, we all want that.

And if you can put a health elixir in it, one that is maybe going to, like, lift you a little bit but also be good for you. Well, that's the thing. It's socially, too. I'm so much better. Like, I used to walk into social environments, whether it was for personal or professional, and I would just get like this and be like, oh, my God, I don't, ah, you know. I would stumble and I wouldn't want to do it. And now it's like, I'm like, oh, I have to go to that work dinner. I'm going to eat a blueberry before.

And literally, I could talk to any stranger in the room, but like actually have a conversation and not like, oh, she's stoned out of her mind, like having real conversations that lead to work and like great things. So it's just it also really helps that, I think. It definitely gets my creative juices flowing. If you just leave things alone and go about your day, like I get more creative and I get more bursts of like creative flows when I'm a little bit stoned too, you know?

And even if you do get stoned too, be creative. Like people do that a lot. I haven't really done that, but I definitely polished up my book and like touched it up and punched it up when I was stoned. I'd always take an edible and go, okay, go write a funny chapter. You came to Idaho last summer for a couple of weeks and did a lot of writing and like would have an edible and run off into the lake for two hours

and come back with a book chapter. Yeah, because I was writing in the water like she just described. I went off with a book on the beach in the water in my typewriter, my desktop. So for mothers out there who are talking about this, mothers who have to drive their kids around all day, you know what I mean?

People who want to get a better understanding of what it's like to- Well, you're a mom. I am. And how many kids do you have? I have one. Yeah, I have three. I have a girl and a boy at home, Bert and Bernice.

Yeah. I have three boys who are currently four and a half, seven, and nine. So for me, it also really helped with my patience. Like after I had my third son, I mean, it was a fucking nightmare. I mean, who knew what type of day it was? Who knew who was which kid? Who knew who had like a diaper on and didn't? It was madness, and it's just escalated into more madness.

It's beautiful madness, but it's madness at all times. It's a Calgon commercial is what it is. And, you know, for me, it made me such a better mom. Like, it really – I know that sounds crazy, you guys. I know my friends laugh at me. I have some that can completely relate, and they're like, I get it. I totally get it. And then I have some who, like, just laugh at me and think I've lost my mind.

But at the end of the day, like, I have more patience. I enjoy the time with them so much more. Like, they could all be running around naked, peeing on floors. And with their mom peeing. And then I'll start peeing. And the whole family's peeing. It's all good. It's all good.

Like, I'm just able to figure it out. Even if I have to get angry, like. You're going to get angry when that pee turns into defecation. And all of you guys are shitting in the house. And that's when you're going to really find your ground zero. That's never going to happen. Literally, if that happens, then you need to take the cannabis away. Like, if I ever become okay with that, that's when we need, like, a cannabis intervention.

Like, this is not acceptable. I would like to point out a recurring theme in these podcast episodes, which is shit. People shitting themselves. I noticed that when I listened to the – yeah. Wait till you hear it. Yeah, I know. It's just something that happens. And you know what?

I'm not – I'm opposed to talking about shit because everybody deals with it. so all this shit happens i i was hanging out with four of my closest friends over the weekend we had mom's spa day on saturday it was amazing you should come next time but all of these women none of them work in cannabis and they're all moms and they all were just telling me how cannabis has become this like key coping mechanism for their parenthood and i'm not somebody that was like a before and after because i've always yeah had cannabis in my life so it's hard for me to be like oh life was terrible before and then I found it I've just been maintaining for a long time yeah I guess I'm kind of an OG but my girlfriends aren't that way and they were all just like

gushing to me about how much better they are at surviving their lives and their careers which are they're every single one of these women they're all the breadwinners in their households their moms their executives they're badasses and they all love weed yeah and so it's like yes there's tons of new consumers and new women consumers that are coming but I think also a lot of women just need to be like hey let's come out of the closet and admit that we're all into this like that's what's so sad is that we have that there like has to be an admission to it well that's why we're doing this though because i want to empower and embolden women to be proud of their cannabis usage and take the power back absolutely so like i think there is a difference

though there's a degree of like but they don't they don't have a problem they don't have a problem being like i'm gonna drink a bottle of wine when i get home because wine's legal because we've been conditioned to think that alcohol I know I know but people need to warm up to the idea and that's what that's why we're doing like at my kid's school to go back to your question at my kid's school you they do this thing called party book and so moms host all the you know and you go in and you sign up and you pay however much it is for a ticket and then the moms host it whatever people there's different books so there's tons of wine nights like why like tons of them for mom wine nights and I'm like let's do a mom cannabis night and they're like you're

not allowed and i'm like huh yes you are just do it just do it yeah well i guess with schools but that's why i'm not a mom because i would have started that a long time ago with my little baby you gotta be respectful but there will be a day that it will be legal i understand or that it will be accepted i understand that it's still so new and people are still like trying to grasp it well so i grew up in the 80s and 90s in san francisco and it was this huge movement about normalizing gayness right and people kept talking about there was the time that everyone was coming out of the closet and that everyone said that the thing that normalized gayness the best is when the person that works next to you in a cubicle turns to you and says hey you might not

know but I'm gay and they're like oh but you like coffee and sandwiches just like me and and it's like this complete normalizing of like oh this person that I relate to or that I sit next to at my cubicle is actually different and is of a does something that I didn't realize was something that was normal for me and in some ways I think Chelsea what you're doing with cannabis is similar you are loudly coming out of the closet and there's all these people that listen to you and read your books and they're like oh well she's someone that I see myself in and I relate to her and she's into cannabis so maybe cannabis is normal after all so i think a lot about the time that we are in in the cannabis evolution and the story of the plant is about the coming out time

kind of like the 80s and 90s that's a good analogy yeah i like coming out i like that that's a good way to say it everybody needs to come out come out for cannabis let's talk about though because there's a difference between escapism and coping like coping is a one way you know one thing that people need to do and then there's when you do like you and you as to see when you and i do want to get blottoed there's you know we ramp it up and we go smoke a joint you know and sit outside underneath the stars caressing each other on the lower back the small of our backs but that's escapism coping with a situation is like a situation where i have to go into a meeting that i know i'm going to be bored at that i take a blueberry or i take a hit of my vape so just so

that i am a little bit more patient with how long things take and how long people seem to talk that's like motherhood think about that right well which is why I'm not cut out for it and which is why I opted out and it's not too late thank you that would be one hell of a baby that I would take to full term and then there's also just kind of the people who suffer from social anxiety and what I wanted to piggyback on what you were saying was I've never had social anxiety but I went through a period of time where I was anxious going like I was gone for a year and I came back and I just started going to all these events with friends to catch up with people and I remember having social anxiety at that point because I had been removed from my like circle for so long and

I remember going to all these events and being like oh my god I feel nervous like I feel like antsy and it is true that you just you don't feel the need to make small talk as as grossly as you do when you're stoned you know what I mean you're okay with the silence you're okay with talking to somebody and not drilling them with questions because you're nervous about silence you're able to sit with strangers and have normal, calm conversations from weed, I think. And with the social anxiety part of it, I think it helps people not be in their heads so much. What do I say? What do I do? Where do I talk to you? Where do I sit? It's just also a lot more digestible to be on the receiving end of it as well. Like you have, you got to think of it from both sides, right? It's

funny you just said that because I literally just wrote down small talk. I said to my mom the other day she was like are you gonna come with me to this thing and I was just like no I'm not and she's like why and I was like well two reasons you know one I already have something I can't get out of and two is like I've just kind of evaluated the fact that we all live such busy lives and they're all just getting busier right like everything whether it's work whether it's being a mom whether it's friendships that you have to maintain you know anything and so I have very little free time to myself like to my actual self right like between my job and my husband and my kids and my family and everything my husband wants to have sex with her all the time anyway this is

about cannabis not sex we can talk about sex on a different episode if you want but my point is is that my I literally had this realization where I was just like my time is so limited so I want to make sure that I'm doing things with people that make me feel good and people that I actually want to talk to because it is so it's becoming harder and harder to go to stuff and actually have conversations with people who who are lovely people and who I like and who are wonderful but the small talk where they're just basically talking to me about my Instagram feed and they're like oh I saw that you went on this vacation how was that and you know I see this and da da da and it's just like gosh you know I know everyone's coming from a good place but it's it's hard and so when you

have when you're stoned and you're in those situations you just embrace those conversations yes that's what it is you lean in yeah you just embrace them and then you actually get more out of them and you enjoy them more and so I guess whoever's listening anytime they see me just know I'm really stoned the world is a crazy place I'm just trying to survive but I'm enjoying our conversation a lot more Simone and I were up at that wisdom 2.0 conference that I did with my psychiatrist a few months ago in San Francisco and we went to the dinner because my guy was like Dan said come to the dinner there's going to be a lot of you know all of the speakers are going to be there and I was speaking so I went to the dinner and right before we walked in Simone and I popped

an edible and I and then we split up and then when I saw her at the end I was like oh I saw her like two hours later I was like oh hey let's go I'm done and she was like I'm really strong and I was like that's so funny I was looking for you because I'm not stoned at all again another indicator that My tolerance has gotten too high. But when we left, I mean, the way that it affects you differently, but it was a perfect buzz. She goes, I'm really stoned. I'm having a great time.

Let's go out. You know, it makes you want to be social. Yeah. Whereas sometimes you, some people revert, they want to be stoned and go home and be alone. That's good. But there's a social aspect to marijuana too. And there's strains that actually kind of trigger being social.

And I want to talk to you about the, Anna Rae, about the THC. You're being very quiet, Brandon. I'm just taking it all in. Do you have stomach cramps or something? No. Are we on our period? We are. Oh, okay.

I may. We. We're on the same cycle. We've linked up. Well, I have a question. For anyone who's listening, because again, I'm a relatively new user, but I think that CBD has kind of been a good gateway for a lot of people getting into THC that it's like a touch point like, oh, well, I'm drinking this CBD water and then they get introduced

to the THC aspect. So for anyone listening who doesn't know the difference between those, can you tell them what the differences are. Sure. I'll certainly try. So the idea is that there are a whole lot of cannabinoids in the cannabis plant, in the flower, which is what we make all the products out of. And we've heard of THC and CBD. Those are the cannabinoids that are some of the most prevalent and popular. There's over a hundred cannabinoids in cannabis, but THC is the one that gets you really high when you say really high you mean like changes your mental state yeah you know like I want to be careful of because I'm not a doctor or a scientist I'm a doctor

Chelsea's the doctor and people because I work in cannabis they love to ask me what they should be doing to make them feel better and I mean I think cannabis is the solution for everything but I am not a doctor so I should say that I would also like to say that I'm not a doctor but um but so Well, you know, when the psychoactive experience that you have when you consume cannabis often comes from THC. OK. But then there's other things that might be affecting your body from the other cannabinoids that you don't feel, but that are positive. And CBD is one of the cannabinoids that can provide someone lots of positive benefits that they may or may not feel. So CBD is anti-inflammatory, and it really helps people that have pain often.

And sometimes people that have sleeping problems talk about using CBD as something that just helps them to relax. But, you know, if I have a cocktail that I put CBD in, I don't feel anything from it at all. Nothing? Yeah, zero. Zero. Is that just because we're active cannabis? no it's because CBD does not have any psychoactive effects that come as a result of it you know you got to think about it in that it's really hard to separate one cannabinoid from the other so usually when you get a product it might be high in CBD but it still has some THC in it and so

you're going to get high from the THC get that feeling that CBD though activates the THC right maybe I'm not sure oh I thought I heard that at one of our meetings I think I've heard that yeah we'll check on that yeah but and then the thc so why why it's hard to isolate a strain for instance the thcv is the strain that i'm drawn to because it suppresses your appetite and it's kind of like pot's answer to adderall that's how i would describe it and it works for me it decreases my appetite but it's hard to get it alone you have to mix it with other things to activate it correct yeah because it comes from a plant right and so it isn't actually a strain there's many different strains that might have thcv in it but that plant that has thcv in it is also going to

have THC, it's going to have CBD, it's going to have CBG and CBN and all these other letters that are all these different cannabinoids. And what is CBG? Do you know what CBG is? It is another cannabinoid. It's a great name for a band. Nice. Yeah. I'm not sure exactly what the effects are. That's one of the things, you know, cannabis is so new. There are so many studies that have yet to be done. And that's why everybody should wade in carefully, right? Like everyone should come in. now that you have a micro dosing possibility, I know this isn't available everywhere in the country yet, but it will be because everyone's realizing now that there's no turning back and

Republicans can even make money from this, but you can just enter the marketplace. I mean, there are mints available, like where, where we live for two and a half milligrams, those Petra mints, which are great, especially for skiing, right? Brandon, we ski together on those because you're not fucked up, but you're, it's a little bit of an uptick for me, especially if you're in an environment if you're outdoors it's whatever you make it is what i would was what how i feel about cannabis like if i want to go to bed then i'm in that mindset to go to bed i don't rely so much on the indica versus sativa i find that to be kind of misleading it is absolutely well i think so there are a lot of what we're talking about there are a lot of words associated with cannabis

that people might not know or might have been given misdirection on so to chelsea's point sativa and indica those are two different strains that people often look at like on the packaging for an edible or whatever that is supposed to give them an indication of the feeling that they'll get but that's not often the case yeah and so they're not really strange they're they're they're type of they're type of plants right they're categories they're families right um and and so yeah they don't give you the effects that people think people think oh indica couch lock sativa upper right it's just not like that but like when we were staying for instance i would take it i would take a petra he would take one they're two and a half milligrams and you're up it's like

Like you're up, you feel upbeat, you're happy, you have more energy because you're surrounded by the mountains and that's the vibe that you're going to get, you know, lean into. Well, I think to your point is that if you're already in that mindset where we wanted to be out skiing, we were already having a good time. It just elevated us. You're being enhanced. But that's what cannabis does, period, across the board, right? So whatever state you're in, it's like when I gave Chunk a sleeping pill on his flight

to Spain and he was in a state of agitation, I later found out. So he was in a constant state of agitation. Excuse me, Brandon. I love that story. Okay. He was in a constant state of agitation after I gave him the pill. So, you know, that didn't work out for him. So if you're in a bad mood and you take pot, it's probably just going to be more bad on bad.

You know what I mean? I don't know. No, I don't agree with that. I'll be in a bad mood and I'll be like, I just got to get stoned. Well, if you're stressed. And then I'm happy. Yeah, that's true. You know, like even when was it the other day?

I was like, oh, I have a really bad headache and I'm just grumpy. I'm going to smoke a joint. And you need to find your baseline. It turned me around and like it turned my day around. Cannabis just isn't a depressant. It's not. So if you're agitated about something with the kids or with work or you're stressed, it really does just take the edge off. It kind of puts you back to center and you can deal with a lot more that way.

Do you have kids, Brandon? Well, I feel like I have one sitting next to me. Oh, wow. But Chelsea, you know, with the products, I think that all these questions you have are the same kind of questions that everyone has. People are confused about cannabinoids and people are talking about potency. I was pronouncing it cannabinoids. Is that wrong? Are you saying it the right way?

I don't know. I think I'm saying it the right way, but someone else probably thinks I'm saying it the wrong way. Okay. So either way. Yeah, either way. It's all the same shit. Cannabinoids, it doesn't matter. Yeah, I'm not judging you.

Hopefully you're not judging me. No, I'm judging myself, actually, which is where I'd like to stay. Well, another important part of, not to go back to your brand, but something that I've really enjoyed getting to see the brand be built is your emphasis on education for people who are getting reintroduced. Because like you said, a lot of people have a bad experience early on and then they don't know how to get back into it or, you know, they're hearing inaccurate information. And so that's something that's been at the forefront for you is anyone who is interested in getting back into it, the packaging, the way things are described, giving them an accurate representation to help them reintroduce themselves in a way that they're not going to turn on it again. Yeah. You want to feel safe. I want people to feel safe.

I don't want people to feel scared because it's just, yeah. Okay. Well, this sounds like a good time to take a break. Get Bell Pure Fiber Internet with Crave, Netflix, and Disney Plus from $94 a month. Price guaranteed for two years on internet with a two-year term and auto pay credit. Visit bell.ca for details and to check availability. Bell. Connection is everything. When I was 14 years old, I was kidnapped and held captive for nine months.

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smart pop culture conversations, or a community of readers who love to think a little too much, you're in the right place. Listen to Pro Society on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. See you between the pages. and what's so cool is how actively involved you are in putting the product vision together yeah um this is not a celebrity endorsement this is you spending an enormous amount of time with our team trying to figure out exactly what we want to launch together it's authentic which has been a really fun process to get to to be a part of yeah it has been really fun it's been fun to take because like allison said you know with the therapy with the pot with all of it kind

of works together the meditation i mean you don't really meditate allison right i don't know no but i mean brandon just started meditating maybe we'll do a couple's meditation later brandon because we have the whole day but i think all of it goes together like even dan my psychiatrist is like i just love you on the pot it's softer it's gentler i have to be honest i love you on the pot mary says it too and mary always tells the truth i could tell there was like the past a few weeks ago you weren't on the pot as much and it was there was a visible difference right brandon Yeah, it was when she had to take a little break because of her cough. Oh, yeah, I got sick, and so I couldn't smoke anymore.

I was like, is she okay? What's going on? Yeah, I was irritable. We were at the house. But that's not good either. I have to be able to – this is what Dan tells me. He says, Chelsea, if you can maintain that level of happiness and contentment when you're stoned, it's already in your psyche, so you should be able to access that on any day without the pop.

And what I want to say to Dan is I'm not there yet. But you're working towards it, and you will get there. Mm-hmm. You will. maybe people like me or Brandon need to remind you when you're not on the pot and you're starting to not show those signs that you need to I'll shoot you a text you can handle that you shoot me a text I'll mark a pull over you shoot me the text and that way we can just deal with it I'll just be on an errand when that happens but the other morning we were at the house Norca had sent all the

samples and there were I don't know how many like 500 pens now no there were 50 I'm picking the flavors right now for everybody. So I'm picking the flavors that I think, well, I want to pick the flavors that I like first and foremost, so that whatever, you know, applies to one person applies to many, but we're going to do a limited release. So I have to like nail down the real flavors I like. And so there's a lot of contenders. With all of these flavors that you were testing, we were sitting at the counter and they, they sent us a bracket to narrow down what her top picks were. Well, so this is nine in the morning. We're sitting here and we're going through, we're going through the bracket, tasting all the flavors. And we spent the entire day together.

we went to lunch we hung out in the afternoon it was brandon's favorite day ever it was the best day i'm like this is how every day should be if everyone just woke up and had a little cannabis i said i go i have a full day but i have no other time to taste all these pens and to do the flavors i'm like i'm just gonna have to get stoned right now and sure enough turned into a great victory that day i got it i love those days yeah so i'm gonna have one of those today yeah it's hard to judge products all at once because you can't tell how they individually affect you. Last month, I was a judge for the High Times Cup and I received 28 one gram samples of flour. And I was supposed to say which one was the most delicious or which one was the most

effective. And after about three, it's kind of hard to tell. They're all great. They're all so effective. So how did you space it out throughout the day so that you could tell the difference? Well, this was just a flavor test. We only tested for flavor, right, Brandon? And so this wasn't a high test. So I could just do it back to back to back to back. But she got very high, just to clarify. Well, I will say the day before was when we had the meeting with the NorCal team and when they brought those down.

And you and I had – and it was an end-of-day meeting. But I had somewhere to be after. I did not. No, you did not. Our meetings have turned into – And she was like, just try this flavor. Just try this flavor. I'm like, oh, gosh, okay.

But it ended up working out great. I'm really into Jolly Ranchers. you know I love green apple and I love blue raspberry like all those fake flavors but they taste so good not for me no I know that's not for everybody so I've got to get away from my saccharin I think it's hard when you're designing a product too to get away from like we're all so self-centered in our lives yeah that that what I like is the very best thing right now everyone's gonna like it and I'm sure you're probably going through that as well what's the difference between the thing that I like and what everyone else will like the best I'll say the samples were the one thing

though, that normally I can pick out what she would like based on her history. And a lot of the flavors she picked, I was surprised by. I think more people will enjoy them than just what she would gravitate towards. So I think that says a lot too. Cannabis doesn't always translate to your other tastes or your other preferences because it is a different experience. Smoking something or having a nibble of something is a lot different than gorging. Yeah. And I also don't like, I mean, I'm moving away from, I love the edibles. That's where I started. That was my entry point now i'm moving into the vape pens but i get a little wheezy when i smoke i think i might have emphysema or onset something i don't know last night i was in bed breathing funny so i don't

want to make sounds when i breathe i'm just like i'm not ready for that sissy smokes a lot of the joints and you don't smoke joints yet right brandon you're not there yet he's still flowering i don't like the process of smoking i don't i don't like the process either i don't like the ashtray i don't like i'm never going to finish a whole joint so i'm going to put it out and then leave it there and then what I have to cover it well that's why we're creating sustainable packaging for your brand so that there's somewhere to put it right you could put it inside of yourself if you want to but that also is not medically recommended I don't know I I just I it's not even about the task for me it's just more about the product it's not that I don't like the vape pens I do I'll use

them when needed you know but like if I'm in an environment where I like oh I need to get a little bit more stoned i'll smoke on a vape pen because that's what is there but if i can always smoke a joint i do just because i prefer the product and i prefer the flower and i prefer the high it also keeps you stoned for longer how long does a joint keep you stoned for it just depends on how much of the joint you smoke and what you know if it's a strong flower mild flower but you could be stoned for like an hour oh yeah right oh yeah and there's something old school and secret about the act of sharing a joint with someone yeah because before when we would get stoned when it was illegal and everyone smoked pot at some point and if you

haven't then I don't know what your problem is but like the last time I smoked I was living in LA I was living in Santa Monica I got really you know you don't know what you're smoking so you don't know what it's laced with or what kind of weed it is and usually it was fine but you'd always get some stuff that was really shitty you know or tastes like parsley or whatever they did in high school and I remember driving home from Santa Monica I was high as a kite 2 30 in the morning so paranoid so paranoid and driving on that street California that runs parallel to Wilshire and just being convinced that a police officer was behind me and I was like going from street to street I'm like oh my god oh my god and you know you know that paranoia grip is so scary and

you're just like I'm such a loser I pulled over to the side of the road on like 23rd street got out of my car hid in a bush for four hours because I was waiting for the cops to pass me for four hours and I was like you know what this is no way to live I was 22 waitressing and it was just a typical night for me to be sleeping in the bushes anyway but like I at that point I was like no I'm not doing this I my neck hurts because I'm so fucking stressed from like looking out like a crackhead but a lot of people talk about their paranoia and their level of paranoia when they smoke weed so let's discuss that and how to avoid it yeah because that also is coming from a fearful place it is and I'll still sometimes get paranoia like I I called you not that long ago and I was

like oh my god sissy i got way too stoned tonight remember and you were like don't get in your head you're fine like i think that you know that's gonna i i i don't know anna ray can speak more to maybe the the science behind why that happens to you know with cannabis but what i always tell myself and i've worked on this is at the end of the day i'm like you're fine enjoy it like you're gonna be okay you're gonna be fine and when you're in those circumstances where you're feeling paranoid or vulnerable, just switch up the circumstance. Like, you know, I recently got in a car after dinner one night and I was like, Ooh, I think I'm too stoned to drive. And I pulled over and I didn't drive until I felt really like I was totally fine. I think that was the same night

that I called you. I wasn't going to say anything. I was going to wait for you to come around on that. I'm like, this is the same situation. Yeah. But you have to be like, you're like, there's just And also, you can be responsible. Like, you can control those situations of paranoia. And they happen less and less and less and less and less. Well, as soon as you get more comfortable with yourself, you become less paranoid. So we all have those issues of it. It's not like anybody's immune from it.

It's just more people are more susceptible. But can I tell you something? And Rich always says this to me. And I have more paranoia if I go out and I get wasted, right? and i'm in a social environment amongst friends or acquaintances or whatever it is i wake up the next day more paranoid about what you said about what did we say what did i say what did i did i say goodbye forget any of it but like you know whereas that paranoia to me is such the worst the worst feeling it's the worst to wake up and not know what the fuck yeah and like that does

not happen if you get too stoned you know what i mean like nothing happens that's how you know nothing happens because you were starting you didn't do anything totally I think that legalization helps the paranoia too because I think so much paranoia has come from people feeling like they were doing something wrong and then you get elevated and lifted and then you're like oh my god this is wrong I'm doing something illegal oh my god and now people don't have to feel that anymore and that I think already like that social pressure professional I think for because you probably are a very high functioning cannabis user whereas for the people who aren't high functioning cannabis users like they don't know how to work through yeah the times of

when that paranoia hits like that's when it becomes I think a little bit of the fear that comes into it and I think in so many ways the process of being paranoid the process of like being really high are not bad in the end it's just once you get through it and get on on the other end like hopefully some of the cobwebs are cleaned out a little bit up in your brain like I think about that of all of the the pathways in our brains that are the patterns that we get caught up in and and sometimes substances whether it's cannabis or psychedelics or meditation all of these things are like creating new pathways in our brains and that just opens up more choice for us to be able to experience the world differently

and to feel better about ourselves as humans. And it's confidence, right? It's just when you start to have that paranoia, that just means that your confidence is impaired a little bit. And so, you know, I've always worked through it and in continuing, like if I get into that zone where I start to go to dark places, like, oh my God, there's a ghost in your house, you know?

Well, that's so stupid. I go to like paranoia places. Do you believe in ghosts? No. No, I mean, well, I do actually, but I don't believe in them haunting me. No, but I'm afraid there's going to be an earthquake or whatever starts to paranoia. You know, like when Rich was gone hiking a few weeks ago to Sydney, he went hiking with her oldest, her eldest, and they, well, he did fall off a bridge on that trip, so that

was traumatic. So, but he was gone and didn't call her, wait. Well, didn't have service. Didn't have service. He fell off a bridge. Maybe that was mother's intuition. It was. So let's just not talk about it because then I get paranoid.

It's a sensitive subject. But she got really – you did get in a state. Oh, but you were right. So that's not a good example because you were right about your hunches. Look, at the end of the day, like I said, I think that the paranoia comes with confidence. Like I have found that I get less and less and less and less and less almost to the point of no paranoia now when I get stoned because I am confident in – Your ability to get stoned. My ability – yeah, my ability to get stoned but just how to work through it.

Like the, when that paranoia starts to trigger in my head, I, I really have been able to work through it and probably because of the cannabis, to be honest with you. Well, I think a lot of the confidence that you're talking about comes from knowing your limit too. So you have to test, sometimes you have to go over what you should, because you have to learn like, okay, that threshold for me is too far. Like I, I can't hit that joint this many times, or I can't take this many edibles. So you have to have those moments of lack of judgment to realize, like, okay, this is a good level for me.

Just like drinking. Like, okay, I can't have six vodka sodas. Like, I need to stick to this is my comfort level for a good buzz. It's hard, though. It's funny because you get to a place where you start to, when you're drinking less, you start to notice how much more everyone else is drinking. And I don't like to be in that position. I don't want to be judgy about people. So, like, you have to really back it up.

Because when people, especially my friends, are like, what are you doing? Oh, are you drinking now? Are you not drinking? What are you doing? I'm like, I always have to tell everyone I'm stoned. Don't worry. I'm on your level. I'm just stoned.

Like, I'm here with you because my friends are drinkers, a lot of them. And they are there, you know, probably worry that. I'm just thinking when we were. Are you thinking of my Brentwood Housewives group? Well, that too. That was obviously a trigger for me. Very sensitive about me becoming a Brentwood Housewife. I think it's just like this transition.

Like, she's just going to wake up one day and be a Brentwood Housewife. She's going to have a husband there. I don't know. She's going to have kids. and she's going to be unbearable. I mean, those are women. Yeah, I know. Most of them, not all of them.

Brandon, I've had some Brentwood parties at my house for friends. I have a lot of friends that are Brentwood moms. Listen, I am technically a Brentwood mom. Yeah, right, exactly. My kids go to Brentwood. But I have to not be defined by that, Allison. Nothing defines me. But do you know what I was really laughing about?

I define me. Jesus Christ. Maybe you can redefine the Brentwood mom. She's going to have to with her weed line. That's what's going to happen. Well, that's what we're working on. Aren't we donating to that school in Brentwood? isn't that a maybe i am a brentwood i'm the one who i go i'm the one who goes to the to the party

the party books with my girlfriends and i have some wonderful wonderful girlfriends that go to our brentwood moms that i adore and i love so much and i'm always the one like who wants a bean who wants a joint who wants a vape and they all look at me they're like we wish we could be as open as you are with it and like embrace it the way that you do you know one of my closest friends mom of three boys has her own business and she is just so petrified to take that jump and and well send her over to my house I'll get her on the street trust me I've tried and her husband is an active cannabis user too and like I'm like I promise you it will change your life for the better and she knows it she knows it I would like to do a retreat where we just take a

bunch of women who are just tight-ass and need to relax you know what I mean they need to chill out for a weekend and we just get everybody fucking stoned and just sit there. Have you heard about ganja yoga? Ganja yoga is where you lost me. I'm not there yet. All right. Well, maybe that should be our launch party for the brand. I do work out high now too.

So that's something I transitioned into doing. I don't work out high. I also don't go to work high. That I have a hard like- Except for today. Well, this I don't consider working. Me neither. Whenever I'm with you, it's not considered working.

It's so much fun. that's the thing is like you have to be responsible as at the same time I run a business I have three kids like I have to be wise and be responsible which I feel like I try very hard at that so I don't go to work stoned ever I put boundaries on it I make sure that it's in a safe place in my house we lock it up in lock boxes so that my kids can't get to it you know like we are responsible Cannabis Parents And we're out

We'll be back next Thursday With a new episode Of Life Will Be the Death of Me And Brandon Okay Brandon Do you want to add anything At the end of this podcast? I know you always like to have

The last word Like Lawrence O'Donnell I do You know just that The information that everyone Got in the podcast Just kind of grazes the surface But a big part of

Your cannabis line Is going to be Continued education Or enhanced education enhance educative an educative component because I think that's what's missing and that's what helped me really launch into cannabis in terms of being a user and you know now I've gotten a little carried away so I've got to dial it back but there's just so much out there to try but I want people to know exactly what they're taking what time of day to take it what are the

circumstances so that you can have like a good experience every single time to get your head on straight there is going to be an educative component because I want everybody I want transparency to be key in this brand and i you know always want everyone's feedback and yeah that's it i'm coming to do stand-up shows we added second shows to vancouver to toronto indianapolis and to grand rapids michigan where my other sissy lives and i'm coming to new zealand and i'm coming to australia to brisbane and sydney and melbourne and i'm coming to auckland and that's in two weeks So if you don't have tickets to that, please get them. You can get tickets at LiveNation.com.

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