Life Will Be the Death of Me with Chelsea Handler - Two Tops with Luenell

Episode Date: May 21, 2026

The iconic Luenell is back to discuss why all men need therapy, opening a brothel next door to Chelsea’s, and why she can talk about crack in front of her daughter. Then: A wife wonders if she s...hould dose her husband with a little Xanax.  A 30-something is curious about sugaring.  And mom-to-be wonders who to tell when her ex goes awol.   * Need some advice from Chelsea? Email us at DearChelseaPodcast@gmail.com * Executive Producer Catherine Law Edited & Engineered by Brad Dickert * * * The views and opinions expressed are solely those of the Podcast author, or individuals participating in the Podcast, and do not represent the opinions of iHeartMedia or its employees.  This Podcast should not be used as medical advice, mental health advice, mental health counseling or therapy, or as imparting any health care recommendations at all.  Individuals are advised to seek independent medical, counseling advice and/or therapy from a competent health care professional with respect to any medical condition, mental health issues, health inquiry or matter, including matters discussed on this Podcast. Guests and listeners should not rely on matters discussed in the Podcast and shall not act or shall refrain from acting based on information contained in the Podcast without first seeking independent medical advice.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:13 In June, I will be in Saratoga Springs, New York, Port Chester, New York. I'm coming to Boston at the Wang Theater. I'll be in Portland, Oregon, Seattle, and then Hyannis, Massachusetts, and then two shows in Nantucket in August. You can find me in Red Bank, New Jersey, Montclair, New Jersey, and Calgary.
Starting point is 00:02:34 That's Canada. And September, I will be in Santa Barbara, San Diego, New York City, Philly, and New Haven, Connecticut. October is Atlanta, Baltimore, Saginaw, Michigan, Pittsburgh Toronto Boise Idaho and Spokane and then in November I'll be in San Francisco I'm coming to Salt Lake City Austin Houston Dallas babies I'll be there and then in December I am closing out my tour in Denver and Vancouver so get your tickets at chelseahandler.com for the High and Mighty Tour.
Starting point is 00:03:06 Hello. Hi, Chelsea. Hi, everybody. I am high and mightied. My voice is gone. My throat is sore because I was with Yamanika all weekend and she forced me to smoke marijuana. Perfect.
Starting point is 00:03:23 So I can't breathe as usual. I have to replace her. You're just going to replace her with somebody who also smokes just as much. She just smokes all... And I don't even smoke as much as she does. obviously i couldn't but i'm like what are her lungs made out of i need a lung transplant i shouldn't joke about that but i do need one have you seen this new documentary on hbo called the dark wizard uh no is is it which one is this it's about like a guy who does like mountain climbing
Starting point is 00:03:50 yeah i've heard about it's awesome girl it is i'm gonna watch it tonight it's ever i've watched it twice all the way really it is it's called the dark wizard dark wizard which is kind of kind of a weird name but it makes sense when you watch it it's this guy who he like was a precursor to alex honnold but alex is in the movie as well okay there's sort of like this competition thing but like i will say the first five minutes i was like do i want to watch a movie about a man who's like doing feats of strength and then like it really grabs you yeah i've seen people talking about it it's so good it's like if you like free solo if you like girl climber with yeah yeah i like you'll love this i like those movies a lot yeah um it's a really beautiful story um but yeah
Starting point is 00:04:34 that's what i'm that's like literally just what i've been doing the last week oh it's just re-watching that oh how many episodes is it it's four so it's like a pretty fast watch and it's very engaging the entire time because there's all kinds of things there's a redemption arc i mean it's wonderful wonderful it's all beautiful i'd like any good television yeah are you watching anything or reading anything right now you like i am reading a book called kin k-i-n um that's pretty good it takes a while to get going though my friend is reading it with me and she already gave up so I guess I'm on my own on that and then we just added some dates to Nantucket if you are listening come see me on the high and mighty tour you guys I'm coming to you I'm coming to Dallas
Starting point is 00:05:11 Texas Irving it's Irving but it's Dallas and Austin and I'm coming to all the Texas cities you can go to ChelseaHendler.com for tickets for any of my dates but I just added a bunch So our guest today is going, we are going to get stoned again because the situation calls for it. And who cares about my throat? You know her from Hacks. You know her from Borat and her long-running Vegas comedy show. Please welcome back the original bad girl of comedy, Linnell. Should we smoke this joint?
Starting point is 00:05:44 Yeah, why not? You don't mind my lipstick, do you? I'll give you your own. Okay. I'll like this. Do you want this one? Yeah. You take that one.
Starting point is 00:05:52 I want to do it at the same time as you. You already started without me. No, I hadn't. This is from yesterday. I'm so glad that you're the guest today because I was like, I haven't sat and smoked a joint in my new podcast room for a podcast guest in a while. Most people are sober these days. Have you noticed this?
Starting point is 00:06:08 Boring. Why do you think that is such a thing? They went too hard. They did the wrong shit, and they got burnt out easier real quick. Yeah, but I know people that have gone too hard, and then they're able to reel it back in. Everybody can't reel it back in. Can you?
Starting point is 00:06:27 Do you ever go too hard? Oh, yeah. I went too hard. You having a cocktail, too? I like this. I'm having a cocktail. I'm having a little Old Tom gin, which is my new favorite thing. That's going too far right there.
Starting point is 00:06:37 That's the one right there. I have to be able to read later, so I can't smoke. I can't fuck with that gin, girl. You need to see my actual no-wipe. Well, that's what we were talking about before. I feel like a lot of people went too hard with gin in college or whatever, and they just, like, they got sick on it once and they can't stand it? No, I got sick on it multiple times.
Starting point is 00:06:52 Oh, no. What is the – when did you have your biggest – I know your daughter's here, but she seems to be in on the – She knows everything. Okay, great. So when was your biggest drug phase? Oakland, visiting L.A., but mostly in Oakland. When I lived in Oakland before I moved to L.A. permanently.
Starting point is 00:07:11 Okay, what time of your life was this? Before I had my daughter. Good answer. But who cares? During pregnancy. Did you? Really? Okay.
Starting point is 00:07:22 And maybe up to four years after, and then that was it. That was my big drug face. That was your serious drug face. Was that like cocaine or something like heroin? Any of those two? Can we crack the doors in there just for the smoke alarm? Oh, you don't want a hot box? I'm getting plenty.
Starting point is 00:07:40 She's not smoking, so it's totally rude. This is the right amount for me, actually. Listen, my house, this has been a saga, my house moving in here. I've been trying to get into this house for about four years. Yeah? So I need to break it in with the mom. How long have you been in it? A few weeks, months, maybe.
Starting point is 00:07:54 Huh? Really? Yeah. So barely, because I'm on tour, too. So I come home. Am I the first black person in your home? No, you're not the first black person in my house. I'm the first black female.
Starting point is 00:08:03 Your daughter walked in first, and she was right in front of you. Did you hear that? I mean, besides workers. Okay, so how did you get your shit together after that? Eight years of hardcore. Basically, I was smoking crack. Oh, shit. Before, it was powder first, and then crack came on the scene.
Starting point is 00:08:25 It came on the scene. It wasn't like I went and did it. It came on the scene. It's not like you went and sought it out. No, it came on the scene. Copy, got it. And when it came on the scene, you know, it's always some man, and you try it with a guy
Starting point is 00:08:39 and then I didn't get it for a long time. I'm like, post this, this is no big deal. Why is everybody selling their shit for this? And then you got it. I got it. When you say you didn't get it when you smoked crack, you just didn't get the buzz or the high? Because when I think of smoking crack,
Starting point is 00:08:55 and I was around some crack smoking in high school, I'm sure you find that hard to believe, but it's true. I had a boyfriend who was a drunk. I believe it. I remember that Joan Rivers' daughter Melissa was dating a crackhead. It was in a documentary. Okay.
Starting point is 00:09:08 Yeah, well, that has nothing to do with me at all. I know, but she... I mean, I'm not Joan Rivers or her daughter. And so I... Oh, so you believe me. That's me. Okay, because she's even whiter than I am. That's for sure.
Starting point is 00:09:20 Yeah. Okay, so that's surprising. I didn't know she dated a black guy. Yeah. I didn't say he was black. I said he smelled crack. Oh. Uh-oh.
Starting point is 00:09:28 I got that. Look, Chelsea. Whoopsie doodle. But she probably did date a black guy. But when I was around people that smoked crack and I saw, like, the effect of it, it wasn't a fun drug. Like, people are literally looking out the window for the cops. Like, it's kind of like, you know, coke on coke. I don't know what the draw is.
Starting point is 00:09:49 That would never be a draw for me. The only thing I can compare it to is, you know when you go slowly up a roller coaster and you go down? Yeah. Imagine going up that fast. it was like and then you want to do that again yes yeah but it's i don't recommend it for anybody was terrible i got one good thing out of smoking crack disregard for money because the money that i spent buying dope and you don't have anything the next day i'll spend that same amount of money now on a watch or a piece of jewelry and then i have that forever so now i don't care about
Starting point is 00:10:32 money like that you know because i've fucked up so much it's like i'm gonna make some more i'm blessed enough to be able to say that i'm gonna make some more everybody don't make money every week chelsea you know do you like that chelsea and the vodka lemonade that you're drinking Could be stronger, but yeah, it's okay. It could be stronger. It's a day drink. But I like that. Oh, is that what it is?
Starting point is 00:10:59 Yeah, it's kind of like a light drink so that you can have a couple. Have you tried the Willie Nelson? No, I haven't. I want to. Don't you? Is it a drink? Yeah, it's like this, but I think it's got weed in it. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:13 Yeah, probably. No, I haven't tried it yet, but I love anything that he does. His weed is strong. I heard Snoop said that's the only person who outsmoked him was Willie Nelson. I smoked weed with Willie Nelson in his trailer and on it. That's the way to do it. And his girlfriend or wife, I'm not sure which one, she was there, and we smoked weed.
Starting point is 00:11:33 I was very high. It's on a TV show I did, I'm sure. I wasn't just doing this in my spare time. And I was high the next day when I got up. Like with Willie Nelson. Yeah, there was two times where I've gotten so high that the next morning I was still high. The one person that I got that high with, and I was going to do an interview with him,
Starting point is 00:11:54 but we got so high we did it on the floor. George Clinton. Oh, yeah. He's funny. That would be fun. Bay-bay. But no, this is lovely. This is a responsible drink.
Starting point is 00:12:05 Yeah, right. This is a responsible drink. I'm not driving today, so I'm irresponsible. Congratulations on the season of Hacks and being on that fantastic show. I wish I was on there more. Yeah, I do too. You light up the screen, your presence. They didn't use me as much as I would have liked,
Starting point is 00:12:22 but it wasn't my show, it was Gene's show, so I'm just happy to be on it, period. But, you know, you can't help, but with the writers that we had and the scenarios that they wrote, you envy wanting to do some of that fuck shit that they were doing. Oh, that's a nice compliment.
Starting point is 00:12:39 It was Ava having never done a show before, ever, and getting Hacks as her first show. Yeah. And then I found out her lineage, that her mother is fucking Lorraine Newman. Anyway, back to drugs. So you got off. How did you quit smoking crack? It's the easiest, simplest thing.
Starting point is 00:13:00 I met a man. We fell in love. And two weeks after I met him, I put it down and I haven't touched him in over 25 years. Did he give you like an ultimatum? No. We got married. We got married in 90 days. And he just died a couple years ago.
Starting point is 00:13:15 COPD. Were you together when he died? Not really because I couldn't take care of him. He was staying with his daughter in Texas. But I would go visit I'd go to the hospital when he was staying in the hospital. I did the whole shit. Did the best I could under my traveling
Starting point is 00:13:32 circumstances. This is not my best angle. My fat neck's gonna show. Do you want to lie on your back? No. Do you want to sit on the floor? You'd like that, wouldn't you? I would. You know how many pictures I have of you humping on me? I know, I know. You could file a sexual harassment lawsuit against me.
Starting point is 00:13:48 I'm the worst. Let me talk to the people. Chelsea Handler has mounted me on more than one occasion, and she's a total stud when she does it, too. She grinds on me. I like it. But I'm just saying, she'll do it. Maybe not to you, but she bounces on me.
Starting point is 00:14:07 I have to find the people that will receive my affection. I have gotten a better, keener eye on those who want to seek my affection or receive my affection. I did not fight her. That's what I like. Yeah, that's what I'm attracted to. I didn't fight her at all. I was like, okay, bitch, what's going on?
Starting point is 00:14:30 Remember? Yeah, I do remember. Are you coming this weekend to the Vegas show? Let's go gamble. I know. I got your invitation. It's in print. And I am planning on doing that.
Starting point is 00:14:43 I know that on Saturday, though, when I was planning on flying back, I think I have to tape a promo for the Netflix is a joke festival with Lizzo. So if they do that early, then I can make my 2 o'clock flight and I'll be at your show. If they run late, I don't know. But I'm hoping that. because my plan was come to the show, get high, laugh my ass off, go gamble, be obnoxious and fun and stuff like that.
Starting point is 00:15:15 Remember the time we first met? It was at Dave Chappelle's 50th birthday dinner. And you were trying to smoke a joint, and she didn't want to smoke a joint inside. And I'm like, you can smoke a joint inside. She's like, here we go with white privilege. And then I was like, well, let me help you with my white privilege. Let's go do it together.
Starting point is 00:15:32 See, you're an ally. Let me see the lighter. It's right here, honey. Thanks, baby. See, you think you grunted. I wouldn't really. So what's up with you and men? Are you having sex with anybody?
Starting point is 00:15:43 Well. Oh, sounds like a yes. Well, there's sex and then there's sex. That sounds shady. No, you know when you mess around, but you really don't like at the penetration stage yet. Oh, really? So, yeah. You're not.
Starting point is 00:16:01 I'm messing around. And you're not. Are you foolish? I like to mess around. I like to kiss, Fondo, shit like that. Like what you were describing what I was doing to you? Yeah, mess around. Me and Chelsea mess around.
Starting point is 00:16:14 Let it be known. And so what's stopping you from the penetration, if you don't mind the question? Opportunity. Oh, okay. I haven't had the opportunity. Oh, okay. And it's a long-distance relationship.
Starting point is 00:16:27 It's an entertainer person. And so boom, boom, boom. But as soon as the opportunity arises, it's going to go down. Is the person you're talking about Bill Cosby? Not yet. Not yet. I'm waiting for my pills to arrive. I hope you don't get a red pill.
Starting point is 00:16:48 You know what red pills are, like those MAGA bros, right? What is that? It means like you've swallowed the juice or like taken the medicine to believe in MAGA. Drink the Kool-Aid. Drink the Kool-Aid. Oh, girl, wait a minute. Thank you for spelling that out for me. Because clearly I am so normal.
Starting point is 00:17:06 Sounding out worse. Mega pill. No. I'm the anti-mega pill. Behind every night spent making the kids' lunches, there's a lot of suspense. Will they finally eat the veggies? Will the pesto survive the first bite? Will the lunchbox come home empty, half full, or come home at all?
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Starting point is 00:17:53 what should have destroyed them. I'm Elizabeth Smart, and these are The Survivor Files. I just remember this low, taunting voice next to my ear saying, shut up, don't say anything. Every week, I'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable. I knew if he woke up, without a doubt, he was going to hurt me. I started feeling that there was someone at the end of my bed, and I just started screaming.
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Starting point is 00:18:51 the weekly podcast that's part book club, part group chat for thought daughters, pop culture obsessives, and anyone who thinks Pride and Prejudice and Love Island deserve the same level of discourse. I'm Eli Rallo, and every week we're connecting the dots between books, the internet, and the conversations everyone can't stop having. I'm going to have to look up this story. I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed. From bestselling authors and your favorite book talk creators to the latest pop culture moments, nothing is off the table it's like if you can hide some real messages inside compelling characters and that is a trojan horse whether you're looking for literary deep dives smart pop culture
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Starting point is 00:20:17 here. It's when you're alone that you're most receptive to the world as it is and not the lies you're sold about it. It can be a time where you push your limits, change your mind, or wake up to a new version of yourself. So whether you're a solo travel veteran or you're too nervous to book your first trip. I hope you listen to Solita on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What do you think is wrong with men, Lunel? Well, you know, it's funny. I just did a podcast before I got here with two men, and the two men that I was with all agreed that all men, especially black men, need therapy. They really need somebody to listen to them, to talk to,
Starting point is 00:21:06 to be honest with and transparent. Because I don't feel like they're even transparent with their mate and stuff like that. Yeah, I just was thinking you're not because you're... You're not going to tell at all. Yeah, you can't. It's too vulnerable. You'll tell it all to somebody you're paying, though,
Starting point is 00:21:22 but, you know, not even your friends. That's what therapy is. They hold all the secrets, secrets, secrets, secrets. Right. It's like, my husband will go talk to his friends. One of them will be getting a divorce or something. I'm like, well, what's going on? No information.
Starting point is 00:21:36 No information. Nothing. Like, why is she leaving? What's going to happen? They don't do the deep dive. No, no. But it is very refreshing when a man does do that. When they do pay attention and they gossip a little or they're like, I need the tea.
Starting point is 00:21:51 Or if they have therapy, that's always good. But with that combination, they have to have had therapy and they have to be in touch with their feminine, you know, divine. He's in therapy. So hopefully he'll start bringing home the tea. Yeah, every man should start out in therapy and every woman should too. It's just that women are much more. But I feel like we need the therapy because of the men. Because of the men.
Starting point is 00:22:11 Right. I know they've inflicted us and themselves. How about that? Indirectly. So they've hurt, they've, they've inflicted themselves twice. So yeah, they're hurting. men are broken if it wasn't i think and pussy of course is always at the base of this if the the bin ladens of the world and the terrorists of the world they're not home being affectionate
Starting point is 00:22:36 and getting loved on they're sexually frustrated they're pissed the fuck off which sexual frustration will make you pissed the fuck off at every single motherfucking thing how do you convince a bunch of guys to commit war they have no soul they have no heart because they're not being loved on and where did that start back with the mama with the daddy you know to whatever whatever your upbringing is and if you not loved on then you can't love do you think that we're at an acute point like in history or do you think this happens pretty much every generation with women figuring out men or kind of i think it happens every generation you know our moms didn't talk about shit they're the secret keepers the generation before us they kept the secrets
Starting point is 00:23:20 the generation before them we don't know they were house wives mostly in their place type thing and then before that was garden of eden i guess i don't know yeah before that before modern civilization yeah i don't want to fuck that up shit well we had a patriarchy we've had a patriarchy for 10 to 12,000 years so before that it was a matriarchy so the last 10 to 12,000 dollars 10 to 1,000 and the dollars and the dollars got you know what I'm trying to say I do I like to think that things would change in my lifetime but I don't think so I definitely hope things change in my daughter's lifetime but it's just like there's always going to be the assholes there's always going to be you know when just like not to get up i don't do politics
Starting point is 00:24:14 but just like when this whole scenario is playing out clearly for anybody who has eyes i can see there are still people that are going to ride with the fool so i don't think that we're going to completely be in love and harmony on the planet but it would be nice if we could i look back at movies like forest gum right and if you just take it at the surface it's the sweetest thing the sweetest time boys walking girls home from school and carrying books and bikes and lakes and stuff like that that was amazing you don't that's what you want to believe in your head now flip the book and people still being hung still being shot still being drugged So I don't choose to, you know, there's all kinds of stuff on Instagram now with the AI and they, you know, flashbacks and, you know, times have stuff.
Starting point is 00:25:14 And I really, I really wish it could. Those good old days in a lot of ways were good. But they were good old days for a certain type of person, right? For a certain type of person. Yeah, yeah. But no, everybody had them. Everybody had good old days. Even in Tulsa, they had good old days until the motherfucking shit got burned down.
Starting point is 00:25:34 You know what I'm saying? There was good time. Even back in the 30s, 40s, all that, they had good time. They had brothels and shit back then, too. They had fuck shit going on. Do you think you would work at a brothel? I would, definitely. I'd probably run the place.
Starting point is 00:25:48 Yeah. Yeah. You've got mad imagination. I was going to say, no. Yeah, yeah. I think I could run one. I think you both could run one. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:55 We could open up our own brothel. This might be a natural extension of your dating service. It would have to be my own. Well, then we'd have to be sister brothels. Well, we'd be competitors. Yeah, we would. I'll send all the fetish motherfuckers over to your spot, and I'll take the regular missionary motherfuckers.
Starting point is 00:26:12 Oh, yeah. I'm definitely a fetish. As am I. We give advice on this podcast. Are you ready to do that? Oh, my God, no. We have real people, don't we? Yep.
Starting point is 00:26:22 We absolutely do. Don't we? Oh, they write in email? Yeah. Email? I saved some very juicy questions for you. For you. We've got a co-answer, right?
Starting point is 00:26:32 Oh, yes. Oh, yes. You've been on this podcast before, right? We've done this before. Yeah, it's been a long time. No, I love questions. I just don't think nobody's going to take my advice, but we'll see. All right.
Starting point is 00:26:42 Well, our first question is just an email. This one's not a caller. So Angelica says, Dear Chelsea, I'm writing to ask for your honest thoughts on sugar dating. Is it morally wrong to seek out an older, wealthy man seeking a much younger woman and is willing to compensate her financially? I keep going back and forth between two schools of thought. On one hand, is this anti-feminist? Does this culture perpetuate misogyny and power imbalances?
Starting point is 00:27:06 And on the other hand, if these men are willing to pay for my time and attention, why not take advantage? For context, I'm 33, independent, working, and also in school. I can stand on my own two feet, but extra income would make life much less tight and maybe allow me to finally book that trip to Portugal. I need your famous, unfiltered, and brutally honest take on this. I'm excited to hear your thoughts, Angelica. Would you like to start? No, you start, but I definitely have my opinion. Since we've got two madams talking about sugar.
Starting point is 00:27:33 With two tops. Even though I'm a bottom. Even though I've established all I want. They're tops. I would definitely say go for it. If you have no qualms about it and it's not a moral issue for you, which it shouldn't be, then do whatever you want that is going to make you happy.
Starting point is 00:27:50 No, I don't think it's sexist. What was the question? She's saying is it anti-feminist. No, it's not because you know what the situation is and you're getting money in exchange for your services, basically. So go for it. I think, yes, I think that's feminist. I think they're not just paying for your time and attention.
Starting point is 00:28:11 They're paying for your time and attention and some pussy. Now, do I think it's wrong to do that? That's included. Time and attention is included. I think that's the attention. Pussy's included in that. It's the attention. Anna Marie, what's her name?
Starting point is 00:28:25 Anna Marie. Delvey? Anna Nicole. he didn't get the pussy he couldn't so he in essence was paying for time and attention there's old guys out there like that but but but the ones that can fuck okay do want to fuck your little ass now is it morally wrong not i mean not in my opinion you know but but um it's gross you know if you can handle the grossness of it because if this old motherfucker wants to fuck you. And who wants to fuck
Starting point is 00:28:58 an old-ass motherfucker? Right, it's like age-dependent. Are we talking 50s? Or this big obese motherfucker wants to fuck you. He's got all the money in the world. I got somebody in mind. Please remind me to tell them what I'm thinking about. They got all the money in the world. But, I mean, you got
Starting point is 00:29:13 a fucking, what was that pretty woman? Richard Gere is not paying for your time and attention, bitch. It's somebody that you don't want to be with. So, you know, if you can deal with and you can handle it, walk on that motherfucker's arm proudly with your motherfucking Cartier shit and take the trips and do all that
Starting point is 00:29:33 if you don't mind spending time with this old, fat motherfucker. That's exactly why I had the reaction I had because I kept envisioning myself what the choice I would make is and that's like I couldn't do it. Like I really couldn't have sex with someone unless I wanted to fuck them. Well, just say you couldn't do it for a long time. Don't say you couldn't do it because everybody hits a lick. Well, you know, I'd have been in bed with some idiots, motherfuckers.
Starting point is 00:29:56 But not for a long time. Maybe for that night. Got that lick and moved on. Not going to be, this cannot be reoccurring, honey. Well, and these days there's a lot of different ways to do that. You can, like, just sell feet pics if you don't want to actually, like, hook up with a guy. Have you really? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:17 That's incredible. But it sounds like if she's positing that question, like, she's clearly thought it through to a certain degree. Right. And she has some kind of morals that she wouldn't be asking about them. Right. You know? And I don't, but I also don't think it's a moral judgment. Like, or I don't want to be morally judgmental of that.
Starting point is 00:30:33 I think it's like you're able to do that. I think it's a fine line between what she's talking about and just like a beautiful woman who dates an older, successful, wealthy guy. Like, where is the line? I think nothing wrong with that. Successful and wealthy, though, does not equal handsome. No, it doesn't. That's the payoff, is that this gross motherfucker has got a bad bitch on his arm. You're getting what you want.
Starting point is 00:31:00 The sacrifice is that you've got to be escorted around. And then there's always the awkward moment when you're with this old fuck, and you see the finest motherfucker you've ever seen in your life, and you want to get at him, but you're going to fuck up the bag if you make Big Daddy pissed off, right? Fair. So it's a business, honey. the jonas brothers are running it back we live the burning up tour and celebrate the biggest
Starting point is 00:31:29 jonas brother hits that have defined a generation one incredible celebration one unforgettable night see the jonas brothers live at rbc amphitheater september 28th get tickets now at ticketmaster.ca Jonas Brothers, the Burn It Up Tour, all over again. When I was 14 years old, I was kidnapped and held captive for nine months. I survived, and I've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them. I'm Elizabeth Smart, and these are the Survivor Files. I just remember this low, taunting voice next to my ear saying, Shut up. Don't say anything.
Starting point is 00:32:15 Every week, I'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable. I knew if he woke up, without a doubt, he was going to hurt me. I started feeling that there was someone at the end of my bed, and I just started screaming. They are abducted, stalked, controlled, and nearly silenced. But these aren't stories about what's taken from them. They're stories about what it takes to make it out alive. Listen to The Survivor Files with Elizabeth Smart on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If your bookshelf and your For You page are equally important to your personality, welcome home.
Starting point is 00:32:57 This is Prose Society, the weekly podcast that's part book club, part group chat for thought daughters, pop culture obsessives, and anyone who thinks Pride and Prejudice and Love Island deserve the same level of discourse. I'm Eli Rallo, and every week we're connecting the dots between books, the internet, and the conversations everyone can't stop having. I'm going to have to look up this story. I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed. From best-selling authors and your favorite book talk creators to the latest pop culture moments, nothing is off the table. It's like if you can hide some real messages inside compelling characters, then that is a Trojan horse.
Starting point is 00:33:34 Whether you're looking for literary deep dives, smart pop culture conversations, or a community of readers who love to think a little too much, you're in the right place. Listen to Pro Society on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. See you between the pages. Hey, this is Hayes Davenport. And Sean Clements.
Starting point is 00:33:54 We host the podcast Hollywood Handbook on the Big Money Players Network. Our show is extremely accessible to first-time listeners. Each week, we talk to someone in show business, a.k.a. the biz, and try to help them with their careers and see what they have to offer us. everyone has a good time and no one gets mad at their publicist for letting them do our show we've had a lot of great guests like sarah sherman not that great actually can you help me can can you help me shape this yeah how about we flip it on his head right how about we flip the script okay what is the surprise woman who actually you think is the straight man is actually the one
Starting point is 00:34:28 who's acting weird adam scott love this entire time you've been expecting adam sandler to come to visit the show i i would never let go of that i have i would never set expectations for something like that if the universe allows for something like that to happen i'm open to it i'm always going to accept you know danny mcbride fine yeah it's all this fragile masculinity exuding i could smell it walking down the hallway to be honest with you i was like is that weed nope it's fragile masculinity ben stiller no because a lot of times in out of context people don't get it or even know what a circle is you know what i mean like you're like oh what's this state everyone's so dumb and fake right fake and and also not interested or just like oh i've got my life i don't care
Starting point is 00:35:23 about your life and a lot of other big shots that wouldn't be where they are without us oh and by the way will ferrell told us personally he loves the show and he wants to be a guest on every episode but he's just so busy listen to hollywood handbook on the iheart radio app apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts well our next question brad do we have hannah on the line okay is it hannah einbinder we were just talking about her you know it is she wants to talk about hacks season six okay so hannah has kind of an interesting conundrum she's 35 and she says dear chelsea i'm writing in because i'm in a situation that feels like it belongs on the podcast and i genuinely don't know what the right move is. I was in an on and off relationship with a man for a
Starting point is 00:36:06 long time. The connection was intense, emotional, and honestly, pretty chaotic. We always seemed to come back to each other even after saying we're done. When things were good between us, we talked about having kids one day. Once life felt a little more stable and settled, it wasn't a crazy idea in our world. It felt like something that actually might happen down the road. Recently, things blew up between us in a really hurtful way, and he's now completely avoiding me. No conversations, no closure, nothing. Then I found out I'm pregnant. He knows, but his reaction was not great. Since then, he's basically disappeared. No real discussion, no plan, just silence. I feel stuck between wanting to handle this in a mature, grounded way and wanting to call his mom,
Starting point is 00:36:46 his friends, and everyone he knows and ask what the hell is wrong with him. Part of me wants to keep my dignity and move forward on my own. Part of me feels like the situation involves him, whether he likes it or not, and avoiding it doesn't make it go away. Do I keep trying to talk to him, or do I accept the silence and move forward without him? Hannah. That's heavy. Are you ready for this, Lunel? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:07 All right, Lunel, did you want to start? I've had a relationship like that between the ages of 19 and probably up to about six years ago. On and off. Chaotic motherfucker. Best sex ever. Very deep and all that shit. i feel like blow up the fucking spot tell every motherfucking body let them know it's going to come out one day anyway the kid needs to know like blow up the spot tell your mama tell every
Starting point is 00:37:37 motherfucking body you fucked with the wrong one but i'm sick of women being left holding the bag you know these motherfuckers just skeet and you make a baby and walk the fuck away that's not fair and so you have decisions to make which is do I just take on this burden all alone in my heart ready for it what will I say to the kid am I bitter or why should he get off the hook for making a whole human being this kid now has a grandmother now might have siblings and it's not fair no it's not fair but i also think like honestly let it you have to figure out a way to let it go yeah you can blow it up well yeah tell everybody about it like he should be you gotta get your mind that i'm about but he should be accountable he should be accountable for it
Starting point is 00:38:30 and his family should know that he did get you pregnant and whatever but then let it like you have to walk away from it with the understanding that he may never show up right he's already proved himself to be unreliable and don't hang your hat on something that you don't need you don't need somebody who's going to be that kind of presence in your life you need to be a strong independent woman who's going to have a baby by herself and then it's probably going to meet someone else that's going to end up being her father because he's not the one unless he goes to like major therapy or gets major help like don't allow yourself to be constantly disappointed by the same type of behavior because he's already shown you who he is and you don't have time for
Starting point is 00:39:06 this you're pregnant now it's grown-up time so if he can wants to come along great otherwise no you're gonna go do it on your own and probably better on your own quite frankly yeah i feel like solo parenting in this situation is like the best possible scenario but like that also doesn't mean you don't have to file for like child support like do file for child support do make sure his family knows just in case they want to be involved in the child's life and even if he doesn't pay child support right away that doesn't mean you're not getting a big check later yeah and you never know He might in six years be like, oh, my God, you know, what am I doing? This is crazy.
Starting point is 00:39:36 But that's not your problem. Your problem is you and your baby. Right. And the other thing is six years from now, like, if you don't say anything to anyone, he could come after parental rights and joint custody and all that stuff. So, like, it's better to get everything out of the bag right now and move forward that way. But I agree with you about the let it go because how many times you want your heart to break? What do you think you're going to do?
Starting point is 00:39:59 based on our conversation, what's your game plan? My game plan is I do know his mom relatively well. I do know that she would want to know and be a part of this. I'm definitely going to communicate with her. I think right now I'm just focusing on what's best for me and what's best for this pregnancy and the future of the baby. How pregnant are you right now? How far? Yeah, I just finished the first trimester, so I'm a little over 12 weeks. This is a really exciting time for you as well. I hope you have a beautiful, healthy baby. Yeah, thank you.
Starting point is 00:40:38 I know it doesn't sound like what your ideal scenario would look like. It doesn't seem like that, so there's like a minute for you to have to adjust. But like you can't browbeat somebody into caring about something that they're not interested in. Are you working? I am, yep. yep i'm working full time and it's a good job i recently in the last few years purchased a manufactured home it's newer so i i feel like considering the circumstances it's not the worst and i i am thankful you're gonna be okay yeah yep i will say this too as do you have any children
Starting point is 00:41:17 no okay as the only woman in the room with children i know that i was not prepared i was not ready. I didn't have, you know, all that nursery shit set up. And I had one piece of paper in my purse with five people's phone number on it. Apparently I'm pregnant. I think I'm gonna have a baby when I do call them. You don't, you never really, really, really ready, but something kicks in when you have this baby and it's a maternal thing and it's genetic and it's scientific and you will become a version of yourself that you didn't know existed. You might even start smoking crack.
Starting point is 00:42:01 Or finish, asshole. My bad, my bad. You know, Hannah, I would also suggest pick up a book called, there's a book called Matressence. It's not a new term, but it's like a term a lot of people don't know about. It's exactly what Lunel was talking about,
Starting point is 00:42:17 where like your gray matter in your brain changes when you become a mom like all these different things physiologically yeah it's like a second adolescent like a bird or things you it's nature yes like unless you're a complete weirdo fuck narcissist or some weird shit like that if you are just in your hormonal right mind and you have this baby it's like just how puppies take the dogs they keep you're gonna it's it's it's just it just happens yeah it'll be fine yeah all right hannah any other questions we can answer for you yeah no i just want to like give you a lot of love and support yeah thank you yeah thank you thank you so much for taking the time to answer my email and yeah it's definitely been probably
Starting point is 00:43:03 one of the most challenging situations i've ever had to deal with um so far in my life so thank you so much in six months we need a follow-up email or phone call or like maybe in eight months when you've like you know had a minute like anytime anytime in your life where something doesn't go the way that you planned for it to go is an opportunity for you to go oh my god i'm gonna handle this like a fucking pro yeah that's thank you yes i have been trying um very hard to reframe my brain um and not uh just want to cry all the time yeah yeah totally the hormones don't help but i will definitely send in a photo in about eight months or so amazing yes but you'll see how we're doing yeah and like you've got this like you're a full adult you're 35 like you're
Starting point is 00:43:55 you've got this you know what the crying part though is i think it's like when you finally realized I done got got like I'm caught like I'm pregnant like like wait a minute I know when you guys talked about the brain stuff I was like oh that could happen what if that brain stuff gets I know I'm saying this like oh my god because I was pregnant and I was like this kid's got to come out of me right where will I be how does this happen what's going on will I be in the store while I be driving? Am I going to be alone? I don't know what to do.
Starting point is 00:44:30 How much does it hurt? There's all that shit. I went through all that. You're trapped. You're totally trapped. Anyway, Hannah, we're going to let you go. We'll hang up.
Starting point is 00:44:39 We'll hang up with you now. Thank you for calling. Bye. Keep us posted, okay? Thank you. I will. Thank you so much. Have a great rest of your day.
Starting point is 00:44:46 Bye. Thanks, Hannah. Have a wonderful life, honey. It's so funny that you say the pain of it because I was like, I've never even gotten that far along
Starting point is 00:44:54 with my thinking. That's all I could think about. When I think about pregnancy, it stops at nine months of no drinking and no partying. That's where it ends. I'm like, forget it. That's the worst pain you can imagine. It's not even about the kid first.
Starting point is 00:45:06 It's about that period of time where I have to incubate something. Yeah, but something in you also wants to stop. Wants to stop. Something in you, I don't want the vodka. Oh, yeah, right. Yeah, to protect the baby. Yeah, I get that too, which I also don't want. Yeah, right, right.
Starting point is 00:45:25 I don't blame you. Do with that set of circles, too. If I wasn't me, I'd be you. For sure. If this hadn't happened over there, I would be you. Yeah, well, I think you might be me. I mean, there's a lot of similarities going on. I would be you, but with a kid.
Starting point is 00:45:38 Right, right. Yeah. All right, well, our next question comes from Cassidy, and she is calling in with her husband, Brandon. It's a couple. It's a couple. This is a little lighter question. Oh, it's going to be about anal.
Starting point is 00:45:51 Watch. Cassidy says, Dear Chelsea, I'm thinking about drugging my husband, for good reason, of course. I told you it was going to be about anal. Here's the issue. He hates flying and refuses to take anything for flight anxiety. I'm no fan myself, but I've learned to manage. My husband, however, expresses every trepidation allowed,
Starting point is 00:46:10 which gives me a helpful running list of reminders of what to panic about when we're trapped in a metal tube in the sky. He also has the scariest for days leading up to the flight, and especially the return flight. He sometimes even hijacks sweet moments with his anxiety at random while on our trip. So on longer, scary flights, I take a nibble of Xanax to subdue the nerves or get some sleep, leaving my poor husband to white-knuckle it solo, or worse, ruin my high. But he doesn't want to take anything.
Starting point is 00:46:36 He won't even trial run it. He's skeptical of most meds, especially not prescribed, and insists he would rather suffer. He calls it exposure therapy. I call it stubborn and childish. The thing is, we fly a lot. He travels monthly for work mostly, but we go back and forth between Austin and NYC several times a year. Four hours of him catastrophizing and me being the emotional support human. I've listened to every episode, and I don't think you've covered the ethics of non-consensually sedating your spouse, hypothetically.
Starting point is 00:47:04 Should I tell him to try breathing exercises, hypnosis, or should I just drug him and tell him afterward? Help, my marriage is great, but our flights are turbulent. Cassidy and Brandon. Dude. Hi, guys. Brandon. Brandon, you can unmute yourself. Brandon.
Starting point is 00:47:19 Yeah, what an interest. Brandon, you can't subject the woman who loves you to this kind of behavior. You have to start taking Xanax. Drug him. Just drug him. You have to. You know what it's like, what you're doing, Brandon? It's like you have the magic pill.
Starting point is 00:47:37 It's right here. It will make your life so easy. Drug him. It will make your life's life much easier. There's whatever version of it. It could be Xanax. It could be a Klonopin. It could be a joint.
Starting point is 00:47:48 It could be, I don't know. Figure it out. I'd be pro for it. And then imagine, I mean, that's a gift that you are giving to your wife. And that is decency, courtesy, and respect. And you'll thank her later. You'll thank her later. Right?
Starting point is 00:48:05 Don't you agree? Yeah, you can't keep fucking up the trip, bro. Listen, just drug him, girl. He's not willing. you know do it on the plane because he'll think that there's no way
Starting point is 00:48:17 for you to do it on the plane well he's watching this right now so I think he probably figured that out he's got his eyes closed she
Starting point is 00:48:25 just drug him girl tell him to look out the window at the beautiful view and then you slip it in his drink but on a more serious note I mean I like that note too but
Starting point is 00:48:34 have you tried hypnosis no you don't look like a hypnosis type of guy well okay But you have to be open to these types of things. You can't just sit around and suffer. Do you understand that that's going to become a bigger and bigger problem in your life?
Starting point is 00:48:49 No. He can suffer. He's making her suffer. Well, I always get on the plane. It doesn't ruin trips or anything of that sort. It's just I always get on. We've never not got on a flight because I'm too anxious for it. No, I know.
Starting point is 00:49:02 But that's not the point because you're torturing her while you're on the flight. Your sweaty hands. Like the whole thing. Your anxiousness. Your anxiety is a problem for her. when there's a solution maybe you guys should fly separately and he oh never well we we do that so he's actually he's in New York right now and I'm home so he'll fly by himself on Friday but I will definitely be by the phone like the pilot's gonna be fine so that's why I had to come to you
Starting point is 00:49:32 guys because I was this close to literally doing what Catherine said and just putting a little xanax in his water bottle letting him take a good nap and then when we get there then he'll understand that it's not that bad right you know what brandon you might also try is like a beta blocker like a propanolol oh yeah that's easy that's a nothing drug that's not like a xanax at all it's not a benzodiazepine right it's called a propranolol and it's a like a beta blocker but she said he won't take anything right he won't even is that a prescription it's it is a prescription but it's not going to make you feel funny in your head at all it just like slows down your heart that's actually what it takes away any nervous anxiety
Starting point is 00:50:10 yeah you just don't get nervous do you have any yeah I do actually I'll bring you a boatload of it upstairs do you want some I wish I had some for you but it doesn't I just think Brandon like do you understand the point that you should it would be nice and respectful to be more open to suggestion when something is kind of being become a real thorn in your partner's side yeah I mean I understand what I try to really in as much as possible but I fly enough every time I do what I don't want to have to take a Xanax. I haven't done it in the past, so maybe it's a lack of knowing what it's going to be like.
Starting point is 00:50:42 But I'm flying at least once, twice, three times a month normally. So having to take Xanax every other week, it seems like something I'm not really interested in. That's a lot. Okay, I understand that. That's understandable. But there are other solutions out there. You don't have to become addicted to Xanax.
Starting point is 00:50:59 I feel if his system is as clean as it is, He could take a natural melatonin gummy and just go take a little nap. You'll wake up where you are. Like he said, he ain't never missed no plane or nothing like that. He's just being a baby. And she just has to. Girl, you said for better or worse, richer or poorer, sickness or health, psycho or no psycho. So if that's what you got to do to win your husband through the flight, you might just be stuck doing it, girl.
Starting point is 00:51:31 Unless you drug him. Well, sometimes on like a Friday or something, if we're going together, I'm like, why don't you get on my level a little bit and we'll just hang out. Have a little party. Yeah, that's fun, actually. You're missing out too, Brandon, on that. You got to be, you're so rigid. Let it go.
Starting point is 00:51:47 Let it rip a little bit. Life is easier if you're just a little bit looser. How about this? I think this might be a good compromise. If you don't want to take anything, then you have to go see either someone to do some hypnotherapy or a therapist about this? Or anal. Or anal.
Starting point is 00:52:02 Like she was saying. Or you have to agree to it. They thought this question was going to be about anal. I don't really know much about the hypnosis. What is that like? What would that be? I've been to hypnosis for smoking cigarettes, and I didn't smoke cigarettes for 10 years after that.
Starting point is 00:52:18 It was like a three-time thing. There's a guy named Cary Gaynor. He's in Santa Monica, California. I know you guys don't live in Santa Monica, but he works. I've had so many friends have gone to him and quit smoking. It worked for me.
Starting point is 00:52:29 He does all sorts of, he does fear of flying. He does all different sorts of like phobias. And his name is Kerry Gaynor spelled with a K. So if you know, that's one, but there's, there's a lot of those. I just know that one because I live in LA. And that requires like two or three sessions, I think, where they kind of hypnotize you and go through the motions of getting on a plane. And it seems to do the trick for a lot of people.
Starting point is 00:52:53 So it's worth trying for sure. Now, can I ask you this? I don't know if you know, know anything about me. I'm extremely blunt. Your husband looks like he's a nice guy. But a blowjob? I'm sure he wouldn't be opposed to that. Before or before?
Starting point is 00:53:11 No, before. Maybe on the way to the airport. I know, it's like, where do you do that in the airport? Bring back those days of old. And I bet you he would be so relaxed, he wouldn't even need a melatonin or nothing like that. Now we're thinking. See?
Starting point is 00:53:26 Look who just perked up Somebody just came alive There we go I mean when you're married you gotta do stuff like that girl We should submit this episode for a webby Absolutely It's incredible Mental health awareness month
Starting point is 00:53:43 Absolutely Wow you guys we nailed it I think we solved everybody's problems Alright do you have your marching orders? Great A blowjob in no time. If he doesn't want to try anything, he has to go get some hypnotherapy.
Starting point is 00:53:59 And a blowjob also. Okay, I love that. I'm open to the hypnosis. I'll give that a shot. Okay, great. That's good. That's open to something. We'll take that as a win, Brandon.
Starting point is 00:54:10 And also the blowjob. Yeah, let's go. First he finishes the hypnosis and then he gets the blowjob. And you'll be asleep like a little baby. Bye, guys. Thank you. Thank you.
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Starting point is 00:54:49 Price guaranteed for two years on internet with a two-year term and auto pay credit. Visit bell.ca for details and to check availability. Bell. Connection is everything. When I was 14 years old, I was kidnapped and held captive for nine months. I survived, and I've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them. I'm Elizabeth Smart, and these are the Survivor Files. I just remember this low, taunting voice next to my ear saying, Shut up. Don't say anything.
Starting point is 00:55:21 every week i'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable i knew if he woke up without a doubt he was going to hurt me i started feeling that there was someone at the end of my bed and i just started screaming they are abducted stalked controlled and nearly silenced but these aren't stories about what's taken from them they're stories about what it takes to make it out alive Listen to The Survivor Files with Elizabeth Smart on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If your bookshelf and your For You page are equally important to your personality, welcome home. This is Prose Society, the weekly podcast that's part book club, part group chat for thought daughters, pop culture obsessives, and anyone who thinks Pride and Prejudice and Love Island deserve the same level of discourse. I'm Eli Rallo, and every week we're connecting the dots between books,
Starting point is 00:56:20 the internet, and the conversations everyone can't stop having. I'm going to have to look up this story. I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed. From best-selling authors and your favorite book talk creators to the latest pop culture moments, nothing is off the table. It's like if you can hide some real messages inside compelling characters, then that is a Trojan horse. Whether you're looking for literary deep dives, smart pop culture conversations, or a community of readers who love to think a little too much,
Starting point is 00:56:49 you're in the right place. Listen to Pro Society on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. See you between the pages. Hey, this is Hayes Davenport. And Sean Clements. We host the podcast Hollywood Handbook on the Big Money Players Network. Our show is extremely accessible to first-time listeners.
Starting point is 00:57:07 Each week, we talk to someone in show business, a.k.a. the biz, and try to help them with their careers and see what they have to offer us. Everyone has a good time and no one gets mad at their publicist for letting them do our show. We've had a lot of great guests like Sarah Sherman, not that great. Actually, can you help me shape this? How about we flip it on its head? How about we flip the script? What if the surprise woman, who actually you think is the straight man, is actually the one who's acting weird?
Starting point is 00:57:37 Adam Scott. this entire time you've been expecting adam sandler to come to visit the show i i would never let go of that i have i would never set expectations for something like that it seems like if the universe allows for something like that to happen i'm open to it i'm always going to accept you know danny mcbride fine yeah it's all this fragile masculinity exuding i could smell it walking down the hallway to be honest with you i was like is that weed nope it's fragile masculinity ben stiller no because a lot of times in out of context people don't get it or even know what a circle is you know what i mean like they're like oh it's so stupid
Starting point is 00:58:21 everyone's so dumb and fake right fake and and also not interested or just like oh i've got my life i don't care about your life and a lot of other big shots that wouldn't be where they are without us oh and by the way will ferrell told us personally he loves the show and he wants to be a guest on every episode but he's just so busy listen to hollywood handbook on the iheart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts are you guys ready for another question i am absolutely absolutely you're like i'm surprised like you guys are stoned but like you're pulling it out you're pulling it out no she's a really good voice of reason i'm like fucking almost everything but she really you know people got the wrong this is a smart ass bitch right here
Starting point is 00:59:06 and she's got a really good head on her people have the wrong idea about me yeah i just think you're slutty and drunk so jess says dear chelsea i'm going to spain for my 41st birthday celebration and would love some advice i'll be there for the entire month of september 2026 with friends and family popping in and out at different times just like you do chelsea i know you love mallorca it has been a dream of mine to visit. My most important question, what do I need to know about having sex with men
Starting point is 00:59:35 in a new country? Not sure if I'll get lucky or not, but would love some tips and or knowledge you may have on the topic. She goes, men might be a bit presumptuous, more probably a singular man.
Starting point is 00:59:46 Love your podcast. My sisters and I listen every week. All the best, Jess. What does she, what do you mean men might be more presumptuous? She's saying it's probably to just be one man,
Starting point is 00:59:54 but like. She's on her eat, pray, love gig. Okay. Oh, I see. Well, I don't know what to say about European men. I mean, I find all men to be fun. Like, you can find fun guys in a lot of places.
Starting point is 01:00:09 Definitely in Spain. But I don't know what I would say. Like, what do you have to look at? I guess not being circumcised. Not eating pussy? No. Jamaica, you ain't going to get your pussy ate. You will get digged down.
Starting point is 01:00:22 But you ain't going to get your pussy ate. In Jamaica specifically? Just that island? Well, I haven't been to all of them. But the ones I've been on, it's very, very rare. That's unfortunate. I don't like that. That's why I don't go that often.
Starting point is 01:00:35 Yeah. But like you said, there is circumcisional regional differences. There's, I think that it's more fun to meet guys, European guys. You got an accent. You got a different culture. They show you things. You learn things every day. these motherfuckers here in the states have fucking had it pretty much and so i'm in an envy
Starting point is 01:01:03 of going having a european romance yeah it's a good time to go to europe period it's a good time to go to europe and it's a good time to be with a european man so there's a lot to look forward to and i don't know i've only dated one spanish guy and i don't know how i would differentiate yeah would you hook up with like a local would you hook up with an expat like you gotta find someone you have a vibe with and then have a good time. And where are we meeting, guys? Is it at a restaurant? You have to be out and about. Beach. Beach bar.
Starting point is 01:01:31 Ooh, I like that. Yeah. Beach bars are fun. Aren't they? That's where the fun happens. Especially at night. A beach bar at night. I like that a lot. Stay till night. That's when it's really fun. Yeah. Stay till night. Yeah. Just stay real wet shit all night long. Yeah. Alright. Well, those are all our questions.
Starting point is 01:01:47 That's okay. We can wrap it up. I absolutely adore coming to see you in any capacity i love it you know i don't like let me just say this to the people people i don't give a fuck about a lot of these bitches okay i play the game and i'd be nice which is a big thing for me because i used to not even be nice but i'd be nice and i play the game but there are certain people that i really do fuck with like i really after a while i can't go too long without checking in or sending a message or something like that and letting them know i'm
Starting point is 01:02:19 thinking about them, and then I watch what they do and study and learn from. And that's you for me. I never thought I was going to know you, you know, and I definitely didn't think we was going to get along. And then I feel very like-minded in a lot of ways, and she's a lot of fun, and don't give a fuck, and if you're not having fun in life, then you're fucking miserable. It's really only one reason to be here is to, if you get a kid,
Starting point is 01:02:45 raise a viable kid and to have fun. I don't even want to be involved with any guys if they're not fun. What are we doing? I don't need you to not be fun. You are the fun I need, motherfucker. You know what I mean? So, but I really enjoy coming here and seeing you in any capacity. I love you.
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