Life with Nat - EP135: Tony talks #11 - SPORTS!

Episode Date: July 20, 2025

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I promise you. Welcome to Life With Now. I'm here tonight with Tony. We're having a little drink and we've got a lovely chat. How are you? I'm all right. How are you? Yeah, yeah, fine. Not bad. Not bad.

As I say, yeah, you might hear a few noises throughout the episode. I'm really sorry. We have to have the windows open. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's not feasible tonight to not have any sort of air in this room. You'll find two corpses in 45 minutes. Otherwise, there is a threat of asphyxiation, isn't there? Yeah, a little. There is a very small one. You could take your top off. Oh yeah, that'll go down well. We're not videoing are we? We are. Oh, definitely not. No.

Definitely not. You've got no chance. You've got two Opes, Bob Ope and another. I'm afraid. Daddy loves saying that today. I know, yeah, it's one of his favorites. The old ones are the best. They are the best.

The other one I loved, which you always said, and I say it now to certain people because they get it but I love see you on the morrow. See you on the morrow. So I thought we'd have a little chat. Yeah. About sport. Sport. Well it's not a very big subject so we'll be done in five minutes. Sport. Well it's not a very big subject so it won't be done in five minutes. Could you just do life? Yeah well. Let's have a chat about life.

Life with a hat. Yeah I know. Because Wimbledon's on, I said to Mark, I'll be honest, I said to Mark this morning as he was going out with his t-shirt on and his Wimbledon hat, I said what should me and Tony do tonight? We could do a bit of agony uncore. He said, why don't you do sporting events for how people get into things really quickly? And I just thought it was a really good idea. Because me, this week, I'm sat on the sofa whenever I can be watching tennis. And it's the only time I ever watched tennis, but I do really enjoy it.

Yeah, I think there's certain big events, isn't it? Yeah. Iconic events. I think so. But the only time I ever, ever watched a horse race as a kid was the Grand National. Yeah. I hate horse racing, can't stand it, but I always watch the Grand National. Get the paper, pick out the design of the shirt.

That's right. Or the name that rhymes with someone you used to go to school with or your favorite color or red rum because you used to win every year. Not every year but yeah. So I think it was the same when we were kids at the World Snooker Championships was absolutely monstrously huge because there's well up till when channel four came on air which was 70. I think it was 80s, I think it was early 80s you know. came on air which was 70. I think it was 80s. I think it was early 80s you know. There was only three channels. Yeah. And to have every year to have a major something on on air for two weeks and then that huge semi-final and final and whatever. I just remember we used to watch that every single year religiously because it was just such a big thing. It was like having the World Cup on you know you never saw football on television

as a kid unless it was it was the FA Cup. It was the World Cup finals. That was it. You never saw football on television. Bit of a big match on a, on a Sunday afternoon. Some highlights, but not like we got now where you got wall to wall. You can watch it all day every day if you want to. Do you think it's better or worse? Oh, I listen, you're talking to the wrong man. I think it's all worse. I think all of this instant access and all the rest of it, people just overdose and stuff. Yeah.

That's what I think personally. I mean, back then was ridiculous because you couldn't watch anything, but now I just think there's too much stuff. You know, so you, I suppose being a traditionalist, I think there's too much stuff, but then there's the other side of the coin

that I knew people that loved NFL, ice hockey, all these sports that, you know, baseball. I know people who got into baseball, used to watch baseball when it was on Channel 4 and stuff like that. So it did open up a world of different types of sport from different countries for people, which was really good for some people, I suppose. But I just now I just feel like it's, yeah, it's just all way too. You can watch anything now. Yeah. And it's all... We've got pancake hurling in Lincolnshire at three o'clock on BT Sport. Cheese rolling.

Cheese. It's a thing, cheese rolling. Is it? Yeah, they roll cheese down the hill. So I mean, it's in cheddar, actually. I might be wrong. Someone is going to correct me on this. I bet it is.

Is Somerset. I think there is a cheese rolling competition. I'm pretty sure there is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What is the most random competition that you've heard about? Most random?

Unto the listener. 0778 2019 19. Cheese rolling's got to be quite random. We never talk about this stuff before we do it. You put me right on the spot. Oh no, sorry. Um. Oh. There are some mad ones. There probably yeah yeah. You have a. I know the one. Go on. The world wife carrying championship. That isn't real. That is real. There is a world wife carrying

championship and I think it's in it's in England or somewhere on these sceptered isles and basically you've got blokes have to carry their wives or partners and run and jump over stuff and the winner is first and you have to carry your wife or partner or female that you know. No way. World wife carrying championship is a thing. That is brilliant. They've got that wrong. I apologize to all the wives out there, but I'm pretty sure there is a world Wife Carrying Championship. Yeah, which I couldn't quite believe when I heard that one. I thought that is a wind up, but it's not. There's loads and loads of stuff. There is loads of stuff. There's World Championships of all sorts. The chilli eating one. Have you seen them? No, I haven't seen it, but I'm sure there is one. They're sat there. Chilli eating. It's a

World Championship. They're being sick. Oh, lovely.'s a world championship, chili eating. They're being sick. Oh, lovely. It's madness. The hottest chili in the world, what have you. Yeah, yeah. It's crazy, really. Yeah, there's competitive eating, isn't there? Which is brilliant, because what I love about it

is they're always really skinny, the ones that are brilliant. There'd be some bloke that eats 7,000 frankfurters in an hour and he weighs about eight stone. It's true, they're not larger people. Really? Honestly so you've got this competitive eating thing where they're nosh, I don't know, 50 hamburgers, I don't know what they eat, they eat all sorts. Like Elvis on the toilet? Yeah sort of yeah. Gosh. But yeah there's a lot of obscure sporting events.

Oh, we've gone off piste as usual. Straight away that was. No, well that's us. Almost immediately. That's the way we are. Yeah. And that's why people love us. Yeah, it's the way we roll.

Let's have a couple of messages because we've got loads, would you believe? Hi now, just seeing you shout out on Facebook, Denise here again, Holbridge via Malta, about the sport. My husband and youngest son are absolutely football mad and husband being Scottish, he's Glasgow Rangers so you can imagine and youngest son is Chelsea. He just even now turned 22, has supported them since he was about four and he used to always, if they lost, take all his memorabilia down, give it to me, tell me to give it to the charity shop and then the next day ask for it all back. He's living in a flat on his own in Skegness working and apparently his flatmates tell me that when they lose he takes his flag and other things down and then after a day puts them back up. Anyway enjoy your chat with Tony. Such a doily boy.

Oh Denise. Thanks Denise. Wow. Denise, Denise. Oh there we go. I can relate to it because as a football fan, not so much now, but when I was very invested in it as a season ticket holder and I'd go to away games and go to Europe and stuff like that.

But if we lost on a Saturday afternoon, it just ruined, the whole weekend was ruined. Really? Yes. Yeah. Whole weekend was ruined. Didn't want to watch match of the day. Didn't want to talk match of the day. Didn't want to talk to anyone next day. I'd go fishing or go and there'd be all Spurs fans there all giving it to me. And

it was just horrendous. And even England now, I can't really watch England anymore because they broken my heart so many times. There's so many times in the past from 96 when we got beat in the semis by Germany right the way up through the golden age or whatever it was called of Beckham, Scholes, Rio Ferdinand, Stevie G, fantastic footballers. And we would regularly get to a World Cup or Euros and we'd go out in the quarters or go out in the semis or whatever. And I was just after about six or seven times I was just done with it. Too emotionally draining. I was just done with it. I do like a wild card.

Oh, it is, but I do. I'm not saying I don't like it. And the women's Euros are on at the moment. I know, yes. And that's going well. I mean, it's been nerve-biting, but they did brilliant last night. Oh, brilliant last night, yeah. 4-0, wasn't it? Yeah.

Against Holland, so yeah, magnificent. So I can understand the chucking a hissy fit when your team's been beaten and stuff. I've got a memory of a boxing day. Right. I have a really young memory of no one wanting to eat their dinner because I think Spurs beat Arsenal. May well have been the case because there used to be boxing day football at midday. Still is sometimes I think now but there was a big Boxing Day program.

I understand being upset about it but I think it's because I'm not a very competitive person. No, no. Not even when I play a game or I enjoy it. I'd love someone, you know, I let go on the team that I want to win if they don't I'm like oh well never mind. Never mind yeah well that's what I'm like now because it was getting too destructive for me it was sort of like I say if you're emotionally invested in it yeah and it starts to ruin your weekend and then it goes into Monday and Tuesday and whatever then yeah that's mad yeah it's true though it's true because you can get caught up in the whirlwind of it all you know.

Mark finds it really funny I think it's really interesting to talk about actually because he's not a sport fan. No. And it's really interesting when he's in a room full of men. Yeah. Or even if he meets a man that he doesn't know, whatever. And the first thing someone will say is, what team do you support? Yeah, yeah. And he'll go, I don't like football.

And no one knows what to say. No, it's really, it's quite unusual. I mean, I knew I had friends growing up, even when I was a bit older, that didn't like football. And I had a couple of friends at school that didn't like football. And they were very much sorry, but they were very seen as odd. Yes. You mean you don't like football? What's wrong with you? They were just individual and just didn't like it and weren't going to be pushed into it. Yeah, absolutely. Basically, fair play to them. Yeah, but it's an interesting one, I think, because it's a common ground for a lot of people. Yeah, I mean, most men wouldn't understand another man who doesn't like sport, I would say.

Yeah. Not all. No, no. But a vast majority. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, most men like something. Mm-hmm. Whatever, snooker or F1 or...

Oh, I think Mike's quite likes doing the tennis, because it's there every day. Yeah, because he's there every day, yeah. But other interests, other things, you know. Interesting. Yeah. Hi there, it's Jo here. I just saw your message about sporting stories and I thought I would just drop you a voice note, it's my first one, to

let you know how much of an avid Crystal Palace fan my husband is, to the point where they recently won the FA Cup final but when the semi-finals were on it was only a couple of weeks before I was due to give birth to my little boy and when I asked my husband what he would do if the baby was coming on that day, he genuinely couldn't answer. He didn't know whether he would rather be at the FA Cup semi-final watching his favourite team or at the birth of his child. So yeah, we're pretty much ruled by football in this house. Anyway, love your pod. Speak soon. Thank you, Jo. I love first time voice notas. I'm so pleased you've done it because I know it can be a bit daunting,

but honestly, so easy and you're brilliant at it. I did get another message from Jo after that to say, by the way, the baby didn't come on that day. Sorry if it was OK. So fortunately, you didn't have to play the scenario out, which is probably good and best for Jo and her husband's relationship, if I'm honest. Oh, it's brilliant. But Crystal Palace, I get it, because it's the underdog, isn't it? Yeah, I think it's the first major trophy

Palace I've won. It was brilliant. I love watching them win it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Even as an Arsenal fan, you always want bigger teams to get beat. Yeah. So it was great watching them win it. Brilliant. Tara Dunn said something, and I think it's really good. I think quite often it's the country that people get behind as opposed to the sport. It's a great way of bringing families, friends, communities together behind a positive moment. Even if more often than not country of choice loses. But it's true, there is that sort of, I love that element of live telly. Yeah. And when it's World Cup or Euros and stuff like that.

Or the Olympics. The Olympics, if you're into it. I mean, I can honestly say I never, ever thought I'd be jumping up and down in front of a television, watching four people with brooms brushing down ice with a big stone on top of it. And they were doing the curling that the other year in the Winter Olympics, I think we won gold or silver or whatever, and it was the girls, and I was going, yes, oh god, yeah. So that's very true, I think.

It does, you know, I remember Super Saturday when it was the 2012 Olympics, we were down in Cornwall, when it was Moe Fatt, I think, I can't remember, but Moe won, we won loads of minutes at night, and it was Mo Fat, I think, I can't remember, but Mo won, we won loads and loads at night, it was an incredible, wonderful coming together of the whole country. For me, the Paralympics after the Channel 4 do, after the Olympics for me is amazing. When you watch those Paralympians do what they do, it's breathtaking. But I'm not a massive fan of athletics and

Olympic. I'm not. I mean, I'd never dream of watching it, but if the Olympics is on and one of our girls is in the high jump final or in the shot put final, one of our blokes has got a chance at the 1500, then we will make a point of watching it. Yeah, absolutely. Hopefully. Who was the, I don't know the names, but who was that golden girl that won gold Well, who was the, I don't know the names, but it was that golden girl that won gold at the last Olympics. I'm really sorry. Oh, she's terrible. She's obviously really famous and she was that golden girl and she's, I think she won the 1500. Hang on. And we watched it and Sharon was sitting there in tears, you know, it was really emotional because this, she'd obviously trained

for, you know, since she was about two to do this and she did it. And yeah, so sorry, this is where we come into this and we actually don't do any homework. So yeah, my apologies, but that's just looking now. Laura Muir, I've got here. That's it, yeah. So we were watching that race. We would never dream of watching a 1500 meter race.

No. But we just had to watch it. And you know, Sharon was in tears and it felt a lump in your throat because she'd obviously trained for it for so long, you know. So I think it does bring people. I think Olympics is brilliant, is it? Because everyone's got a normal job. Well, not everyone. Most of them are almost professional now. Oh, yeah. There's ones. Oh yeah. I thought Olympics was about like electricians doing it. It used to be yeah that was the whole point of it many years ago and then it all changed and now you've got people that are you know like Mo Farah isn't a like he doesn't work in Tesco's part-time for instance. No he doesn't. He's a professional athlete. I'd love to ask Mo Farah, tap him on the shoulder

and say excuse me where's the herbs and spices aisle? Yeah. Imagine if Moe turned around. Imagine have you got any flatbread? Oh it's you. Oh. Would you imagine? Yeah. I'm so sorry but you've moved the dairy aisle. Oh. Woof. Moe. Wow. Blow me mind now. But it's true they're all, most vast majority now are professional athletes. Sorry about the plane. Oh, where we going? Yeah. We're near Stansted. We are, a bit of a flight path. A bit on the flight path to Stansted. So, there you go. It just is what it is tonight.

But yes, I thought that people still had me being naïve because again, I'm not really into it. No, I think if you look at like the Winter Olympics, for instance, I think there are, like I've said the curl as well, I think they are like, you know, one of the girls was a baker or something. They are true semi-professional or part-time athletes or whatever, you know. I tell you why, I like sport on sporting events. Again, going off piste, people say, but lots of people are saying television is dead. Loads of people, right? Wherever you go. Especially in my industry. Oh, it's

dying. Telly's dying because you've got Netflix and all the streaming and no one wants it and YouTube and this and that. But if you have a live sporting event, everybody's round the telly. People still go round the telly and I love that. I still think it's really important. On Sunday afternoon, sorry it will be over Wimbledon when this comes out, but on Sunday afternoon there will be a huge amount of people watching television around the world to watch the final of the men's tennis. Saturday afternoon, women's final. You know, there's still big sporting events. And people watch them through television.

I know you might have streaming, but you're not going to watch it on Netflix, are you, the day after? No, no, you're not. No, no, I agree. That was a question I was going to ask you. Interesting one. Would you record a live sporting event and watch it after the occasion?

Me personally, probably. The only time I would do that is, for instance, if Arsenal were in the Champions League final, I'd probably record it just in case we won and then you could watch it back. And then if we lost, I'd delete it straight away. Fair enough. Yeah. But yeah, I don't see any merit in recording a live final and then watching it. Unless you're a bit nerdy, you know, if it's an F1, you can't watch the F1 Grand Prix in Singapore. So you take like some people will tape it

and then not wanna know what's happened. I'm not sure. He's showing his age. Sorry, yeah. Tape it. I called it. This takes me back to, sorry, the likely lads. There's a, this is so old, but anyway.

There's an episode of the likely lads from about 1974. James Boland and whatever his name was, the other fella. And they spend the whole day, England are playing Bulgaria or Wales or whatever. And it's the batches being played, but they can't see it or listen to it until later in the evening. And they spend the whole day trying to stay away from radio. In the days when they want to see the paper to see the score or whatever and it was quite a yeah it's quite an act but that is true yeah because that's the reason i wouldn't ever bother recording something but years ago that was a real thing yeah but it still is now

something comes on you don't you can't go on your phone yeah everything pops up you've got BBC news flashing up yeah whatsapp groups telling you what's happened, it's impossible. Yeah, yeah. So you can't, if you said, look, I'm not around Sunday for the time, I'm out at this wedding or whatever. Yeah. And I don't want to know, I just want to, I'm going to tape it and watch it when I get home. And I guarantee you it'd be virtually impossible. Impossible. Unless someone sort of drugged you and knocked you out and then brought you back home in an ambulance.

That's a bit harsh. Well, I think it's the only way you'd get from A to B without finding out what's gone on. Yeah. Has everyone talked and all, doesn't that? Yeah. There's sort of no spoiler alert goes out the window with crowds of people. Yeah, it's just, oh yeah, did you see that? Oh, he's won. That's right, yeah.

And I see it. Yeah, did you see the ending to, yeah, The Usual Suspects, you know? Yeah. Just spat it out. Yeah. You know, the best ending ever in a film. Never seen the film. You've never seen Usual Suspects?

No. Oh, I think I know what we might be watching in about an hour's time. What a film. Is it great? Oh, what a film. Never seen it. Terrible for films. Yeah, I'm the same.

I say I'm not a film buff, but then there's certain ones. There's certain ones you like. I really love, yeah. So I've gone off on a different tangent. Doesn't matter. Sorry about that. Is it a Quentin Tarantino? No, I don't think it is. It might be, but I don't think it is. No. And... You don't really realise how many planes come over really, when you're thinking about it? Well, yeah, and it's gonna be on the, on the, people are gonna be counting, that's number four.

That's number four. It's a lovely house. If I sell it, honestly, the flight path don't bother me. No, no, no, no, they come over hours as well. It doesn't bother me. Yeah. If you're not thinking about it, I don't even know. They're in the garden. No. even know them in those arguments." Get to Toronto's main venues like Budweiser Stage and the new Rogers Stadium with Go Transit.

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What a great story. Dart's single men's champion. Here we go. Fantastic. Just seeing your post about sporting events. My house is ruled by Dart so much. My 16 year old son Riley has joined a league and he won the single men's tournament. Just seeing your post about sporting events, my house is ruled by darts so much, my 16-year-old son Riley has joined a league and he won the single men's tournament. He was so upset the other day because he played the county champion, a 54-year-old man who was not happy about a 16-year-old beating

him and he stormed out the social club. I told him that wasn't sportsmanship and he won fair and square. His confidence came back when he won and he's getting a trophy on the 14th of August and I couldn't be prouder. And I've got a brilliant picture here of Riley playing. I'll post it on Instagram. If that's all right, let me know if that's okay, mum. But what a brilliant thing. Amazing. Yeah, brilliant. What a grumpy old so-and-so. I think the county champion needs to take a long hard look at himself in the mirror

to be quite honest. How silly. Yeah. You should be proud of the youngsters coming out. Yeah, it doesn't work like that. Is it like that in fishing? Yeah. Oh yeah, definitely.

Definitely. Anything competitive it's in. It doesn't matter whether it's tiddlywinks, fishing. It doesn't matter what it is. If you've got someone who's a champion or a county or whatever and he gets turned over by someone younger or someone they think is not as good or shouldn't be doing it or whatever it might be, then all that creeps in. Can you imagine what Luke Lippner is up to deal with?

Yeah, I can imagine. If I've got this young boy... He must have some brilliant people around him, Luke. That's what I can say. Oh, absolutely. Because he manages to stay level headed. Something that doesn't, well before we know anyway, he looks like he stays level headed. Absolutely. And don't forget they do tons of traveling.

Yes. Living out of suitcases, seeing the same people day in, day out. Yeah. Must be, I know he's going to be a multi-millionaire, good luck to him, but it must be a, it's a tough, I think it's a tough life. I do. And to stay on the right track. Funny enough, talking about darts,

one of my customers who wrote into us a few pods ago, so that's Pat and our daughter, Juliet. Oh yeah, yeah. Well, Juliet's husband, Sean, is a sports psychologist. Oh. And I think I've heard him on Talk Sport before. And he is the man who looks after one of the darts players. I won't say who it is.

Oh, okay. But he... Oh, come on. No, you can't. Confidentiality. You can tell me later. All I do know is that this particular player won a big tournament, you know, like a Premier League. He's in that big thing with all the big boys and he won it this night and he was sending messages to Sean saying thank you so much because Sean had got his head right basically. Yeah, yeah.

So it's very much a lot of, I think a lot of performance in sport is very psychological. Yes. Massively psychological and how you take criticism and how you come back from adversity or you come back from defeat. I think all of that is really... I think the pressure is so... Oh, humongous. It's such pressure on them. Now, I know that people go on, don't they? It's a hard one, I know, but people talk about the money sportsmen get paid. And I do, of course, it's astronomical amounts of money.

It is, yeah. But firstly, they can get injured at any second and not be able to play anymore. And like you said, I just feel it's so much pressure. Listen, things like anxiety, depression, things like rejection and all that are indiscriminate. It doesn't matter if you're a multi-millionaire golfer, or a multi-millionaire NFL player, or a multi-millionaire footballer. It makes no difference. These people still get affected potentially by the same things that you or any man or woman in

the street get affected. Absolutely. And that's why now in professional sport, things like psychologists, sports psychologists, people are put there to enable individuals to achieve their best and they give them the tools to do it. Without damaging themselves also. Yeah, mentally. Through the process. Yeah, and I know that for a fact, because I know a couple of people, and I know that it's a huge part of sport now. It's also your whole life. You don't really have a life outside of it.

If you are wanting to do something professionally in a sporting capacity, forget it. Oh, that's right, that's it, yeah. Day, night, your. That's it. Yeah. Day, night. Yeah. Your whole life is that. And I think that's quite amazing. If you're going to be good at it, if you're going to be the best at what you do, the

best in your class, best at what, you know, whatever, then it is total absorption in, in that, whatever that, whatever it is, table tennis, tennis, darts, snooker, doesn't matter what it is, snooker players, people think, oh, I just turn up and knock a few boys. These boys are practicing for eight, nine hours a day, seven days a week. And then they've got to live with themselves. If they miss a red, let someone in and they lose a match,

they've got to get themselves up for that. They've got to get over it, pack their bags, go on to the next one. I mean, a lot of people would say it's a load of bollocks. Well, they would. They would, yeah. I understand that, but people, you'll get individuals that are struggling at work because they're worried about using a particular piece of, or they made a mistake last week or whatever

and they're thinking, how can I put that right? And I don't, I feel really, you know, I feel really fed up about that or a relationship at work's gone wrong. I think it's very similar to stand up. Yeah. I'm just, no, it must be. What I'm saying is imagine going out. That's just brutal though, isn't it? it it's you're going out on your own you might get a laugh you might not you might get heckled you might get slaughtered by someone absolutely slaughtered and you still got to do it again again and i just think when you see the big ones now and the 02 i only want their own i just think that is amazing you've got there because imagine the pubs and the shit you've had to deal with oh definitely and the years you've put in to get there i mean michael mackintyre it in his book, he nearly gave up. Yeah, yeah. He was nearly, he just had

enough of it. Yeah. Got a break. Yeah. You know, and it started to go right, but he was very nearly done with it all. I think that happens often. Yeah. But in any sort of pressure cooker of a job. It's like anything, it's not how you succeed, it's how, if you fail or if you have a negative experience, it's how do you get yourself up from that? How do you drag yourself up from that? How do you get rid of that? And keep going and go and do it again and risk failing again. I mean, you've really got to be a certain type of person to do that. Oh, great. Do you think you could do it?

What? What we're talking about? What, stand up? No, I think you could do that. What? What we're talking about. What, stand up? No, I think you could do that. I've done about that. I mean, failing, getting up again, failing. What we're talking about. I think it depends what drives you.

Yes. Yeah, so if like, with me, what I do in my business, fear of failure drives me. I can't fail, it's inconceivable. Yeah, yeah. If I fail, I've got four bloke's mortgages to pay and I've got my expense and blah, blah, blah, and I've got responsibilities. So if it's fear of failure that drives you, I think you have to get out of bed every day

and you have to do it. I think if you want to have a go at something and see how it goes and it's not the end of the world if it doesn't happen, that's a different scenario. And if it's, you want to be the best at something and if you fail, so be it, you've given it a go. I think there's different degrees of that. If it makes sense, depending on your particular scenario.

Like we all know Ricky Gervais got made redundant and he said, I'm going to have six months. I'm just going to give it a go. I've done some stand up and I'll probably end up being another rep, you know, driving around him 25 and up and down him for any years time and whatever. And it worked. And now, you know, he's one of the biggest in the world. He don't give a shit.

People can't cancel him. People can't tell him off because he doesn't care. He don't give a shit. And he just posts pictures of him and goes, this is where I started here. That's right. And I love the library. Yeah. And I had a pound and this is where I started here. That's right. And I love the library. Yeah. And I had a pound and this is where I'm now.

Yeah, exactly. I think sometimes people will succeed when they don't think they're going to and don't expect to, which is another type of success or whatever, isn't it? Yeah. We sort of wake up one day and go, oh, this is happening. I'm doing well. I'm doing well. Yeah.

That's right, yeah. Got a message here from Holly. She said, hi Nat and Tony. I don't like any sport really. I suppose I can watch tennis and I love the Olympics, but I absolutely love sports shows and sports podcasts. Strange, eh? League of their own is my favorite.

Now that is a really good point. I used to love the question of sport. Yeah. But I don't really, I'm not, I think it's, Holly, I think we just like quiz shows. Yeah I think that's the, it's probably the dynamic that Holly likes. Yeah. So you've got, you know, you've got a mixture of, on some of them it's sort of sportsmen and women and... I agree famous people and it just makes a good fun sort of watch if that makes sense. I think so. And then even sports podcasts, a lot of it will be about what we're talking about, probably be about achievement, failure, you know, dedication to your trade, all that sort of stuff. Completely agree. So I understand why you would watch and listen to

that and not really be a sports fan because that's probably more about enjoyment, entertainment and then on the other hand life and dealing with you know stuff that they've had to deal with. Yeah it's so true, so true. Interesting in people really. It is yeah. It's having an interest in people's lives. That's right it's like saying I don't know you don't like history but you'd like watching a thing about, you know, the Falklands or whatever. Yes, yeah. So you don't like history, but you're intrigued by what went on, who was involved and that sort of thing. Absolutely. And the television programme being something you do anyway.

Yes. So therefore, it all carries on, doesn't it? Yeah. Got a message here from Georgina. Georgina. Hi, George. There we go. Hi, Nat. Georgina here from Kent.

Just my thoughts on sports really. The opposite is true in our household. I love sports. I love watching it, love playing it. And I will watch Tiddly Winks if it was on the telly. My husband, he loves a period drama. He loves watching boring shit like Auntie's Roadshow and all that crap.

But yeah, so sports, love it and we'll watch anything that's on the old tele box. Have a good pod, mate. Bye. Good for you Georgina. That's what I'm saying. I'm taking issue with that. What? I'm not having anyone slagging off the Antiques Roadshow. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. That's the national treasure. It's my guilty secret, my guilty pleasure on a Sunday. It's a great show.

Love it, absolutely love it. I only watched the last five minutes because that's when the expensive things are on, obviously. Yeah. Sorry, Georgie, I can't, I mean, you said period dramas, that's fair enough, that's sort of take it or leave it, but I'm drawing the line at the Antiques Roadshow, I'm afraid. Do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do I can't do the trumpet. I sure bit the trumpet. It's in the loft. Yeah, you better get it out quick. It's such nostalgia watching that.

I love it. I love it. I love the ones where, but we get quite emotional if someone brings on a Victoria Cross. Yes. There's been two or three on there. I mean, they're worth a quarter of a million pounds. Even though they're not made,

they're made of old pig iron basically. So they were never meant to be worth anything. Their intrinsic value was meant to be nil. That was, you know, they was worth a penny or whatever when they were made. And then you read the citations and the guy that does it, I don't know, I can't remember his name, but they've got a guy on there that just does the, the war stuff. The war stuff. Yeah. And whatever. And he's very, very good. He knows all this stuff and whatever. And it's very quite emotional when he, you know,

he goes through it and whatever. And then, yeah, I mean, I just, I just love it. I like watching the clips on Facebook, whatever, they come up the clips. Yeah. You know, he goes through it and whatever. And then, yeah, I mean, I just, I just love it. I like watching the clips on Facebook, whatever, they come up the clips. You know, some, someone with a painting saying, well, it's been, you know, it's been down in the cellar for the last 30 years and it turns out to be worth about 300 grand or whatever it is. Del Boyle and the pocket watch. I love it. Yeah. Brilliant. There was one fella on there. He bought a Chinese pot that had been holding open the door into the living room, just big Chinese pot. And it was about three foot high. And this thing

was beautiful. Never had a mark on it. God knows how, because the kids had been playing football and knocked it over. He bought it on and they were really excited. And they went all, at the end of it, they went, this could be worth like £300,000. He couldn't believe it. It was so, so shocked. And then about a year later, they did a best of. Yes. And it went to auction at £5.4 million. No. Yeah.

No. It was something. Ridiculous. Three and a half million. It was 10, 15 times what they'd valued it at. And it had been watching the door. And it had been propping the door open, yeah. It's crazy, innit? Yeah, so sorry, the Antiques Roadshow is sacrosanct to me, I can't...

No, I enjoy it. It's just the music at the end reminds me of a Sunday night and going back to school. I like it. Oh, I watched it with Mummy and Daddy. I remember sitting in Dagmar Terrace. I remember something about a sideboard. Right. I remember watching one and it being loads of money. Yeah. I'm watching it with them and having that sort of, and I was tiny, but it was a sideboard ornamental and they got it all out and it was maybe, I don't know, 150 grand or something, but it was major.

Yeah. Yeah. Love a bit of the Antiques Roadshow. Thanks Georgina though. Really appreciate the message as always. Roadshow. Thanks Georgina though, really appreciate the message as always. If you've got any facts that you'd like to bring up about antiques and maybe the most expensive thing that's been on the Antiques Roadshow, even though you don't like it, it'll be much appreciated. Or if you've got any family that have been on it and had a result. Oh, that would be so good for many listeners.

Not even on the Antiques Roadshow. It'd be, have you got any family that had something and had it valued and thought it was worth tuppence? And then someone mentions, it's Carl Faberge. That's what you're waiting for. You've got this little broach or this little egg in a little box. And you go, oh yeah, my dad brought it back from Russia. This China, this is part of the Ming dynasty. And the guy on there goes, oh, you'll be pleased to know this is Carl Faberge.

And everyone swoons and faints because it's worth about two million quid. It'd be great to hear any stories about that, guys. That would be really good. Really good. Yeah, that would be a cracking pod. That would be really great. Del Boy and Time on our hands, having the watch. Yeah, the Poppett watch, the Harrison, the Lesser watch,

the Harrison Lesser watch. It would be so great to hear if any of you have had experiences with stuff like that. Even if it was a tenner and it turned out to be 250 grid, I'm happy with that story and all. Ain't gotta be millions. You know us. Got a message in from Matty, pal of the pod.

Hi, Matt. Hi, Nat. It's Matty from London. I haven't done a voice note in a while, so here I am. I did comment on your Facebook, but as you're with Tony, I'm a bit over all the sports, if I'm being honest. I mean, I've never watched Wimbledon or any of that malarkey. I feel like people go just to get photographed, be like, Oh, I've gone to Wimbledon and all of that, you know, steps get invited just to show off what they're wearing and post on the Instagram, I guess.

But I'm not into it. It's funny because when I was a kid, my mum used to work at Queens Park Rangers. Obviously, I was a footballer. So I got to hang out with all the players when I was a kid. I was a mascot once. And they were trying to get me into football. I mean, my mum loves it. Obviously, she doesn't work there anymore. I've just never got into it. I watched the World Cup when it's on, but only if England do well. I'm just not into it really. I know people who have a lovely time. Anyway, so each day is a hive, Tony, by the way.

Bye. Do you think Matt is into it? Oh, just hi, Matti. Thanks for the message. I don't think Matt is into it. No, not the sounds of it. No sounds of it. Must have been brilliant being around QPR when he was a kid though. Yeah, I'm sure it all has been. I think there is definitely a thing with Wimbledon. Well, I think we should, because it's sort of the most recent thing. I do look on the old Instagram and think, how did they all get invited? I never get an invite.

You've been? I've only been through a contact of mine. It wasn't through Evian or through this one. It's all sponsors. It is all sponsors. James went last week. I know he did. James went, courtesy of Barclays. Thank you very much. He had a wonderful day. Yeah, he said it was fantastic. But that's what I mean. But the celebs get invited by different, you know, Evian or whatever, whipped cream, limited or whatever it is.

And they all go and they all look lovely. And I think, I don't forget an invite, but then I know why. Because then I look at them all and they're all absolutely immaculate. It's 32 degrees. Not a bead of sweat. Not a bead of sweat, not a hair out of place. Me and you will be sweating like a pair of pigs. We'd be absolute red, sweating, bites all over us, sweating, hairs under the

atmosphere. Great big sweat patches under our arms. I'd have a carrier bag. Yeah, that's right, I'd be pouring water over my head to try and keep me cool. It's not the picture they're after. It's not the look, is it? That they want. I just never think I'm going to go to that level. No, it's never going to happen. Well, you never know.

I mean, I use a lot of Dulux paint, you know. So if Dulux, if you've got a box at Wimbledon, me and that, you know, or you've got something that me and that will have a bash and... You know what they'll do? They'll invite us beforehand to touch it all up. Me and you would be there painting the toilets two weeks before that's what it is. Did you go to Wimbledon yeah yeah we tried the new Dulux anti-super scuff we like paint it's in the loose give it a wipe

but yeah I do think about that I do think they look wonderful, these people. Laura Whitmore the other day. Yeah. Just absolutely immaculate. Yeah. Great big heels on. Yes. All day like Wimbledon. She's got to have a pair of flip-flops. Yeah, I don't know. They've got to have a pair of flip-flops. I only ever wear mine in the evening, so I don't know. Well, no, true. I don't have to worry about trying to wear him during the day. No it must be difficult don't get me wrong but you're right anyone you see you know they do look, Russell Crowe saw him the other day he's done some weight. Has he? Yeah, no I've looked good.

But he's on the Manny J's? I don't know but what I will say is yeah he looked good. He was nearer to when he did gladiator than what he was like a few years ago. Oh good for him. So fair play to him. Hugh Grant fell asleep. Oh, good for him. So fair play to him. Hugh Grant fell asleep. I know I saw that.

Although, can I just say, do we have to, I find it a little bit offensive. Well, so what? But I just think, why are you taking pictures of him? He's sat down, he's probably not sat down for two weeks. It's the first day he's sat down. That's right. And not thought of anything, he's probably relaxed.

He's probably knackered. He's had a couple of glasses of champagne. And he's baking hot. Had a little snooze and he's all over the papers. And who cares? Good luck to him to have a little kit. Yeah, absolutely. I felt sorry for him really.

I just think it's a little bit of an invasion of privacy actually. Well it's not if you're at Wimbledon. Well no, I suppose not. I mean if he was in his garden and someone shinned up a tree to watch him having a kit, then that is a liberty. Absolutely. I just don't think make a big deal onto you know yeah but that's it and it's the only thing that yeah no one no one in that

journalism likes interested in nice stuff then we've got interested in the crap stuff. We haven't got Cliff Richard doing singing in the rain that's for sure it's been absolutely so hard we've had no rain none none whatsoever like a couple of spots? Yeah, yeah. It's been mad. Yeah. It's usually, it has been wet in the past. Oh yeah definitely. It just shows you the summers are changing. Yeah, well yeah, maybe.

No? I don't know. What does that mean? What's that tone? You know, I think there's probably been ups and downs for time in memorial to be quite honest. Yeah. I don't know, I don't know whether it's, I'm not sure.

I'm just, I'm not sure to hang me hat on the climate change. Is that because you remember many a hot summer? Well, I was a kid when it was 1976. What does that mean? It was brutal. Was it? Started in April and finished in September. Really? It was brutal. Every single? Started in April and finished in September. Really? It was brutal.

Every single day was boiling, boiling, boiling hot. Really? Yes. It was incredible. It was an incredible summer. Proper drought, proper hosepipe bans. Right. To the point where most houses didn't even have water.

They cut. That you had to go out and use standpipes and fill buckets up with standpipes because they wouldn't allow people to use water, actually run baths and showers and stuff. You're joking. No, there was a Channel 5 program on about 76-something. It's really good watching. I would like to watch that. Yeah, it really is. I don't know. I read a lot of stuff about it and I'm just not...

I know there was some stuff happening at the moment that is strange and out of character and whatnot. Yes, yes. I know there was some stuff happening at the moment that is strange and out of character and whatnot. Yes. But, you know, a hundred years ago they were saying we were going to be in a new ice age in 30 years or whatever it was. Yeah, of course. So I'm just not sure.

I think there's lots of different people with lots of different vested interests and lots of different things. And the truth is somewhere in the middle probably. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know enough about it all. No, I don't really. And that's not me. I'm not being ignorant. I'm being honest. No, you need't know. Yeah, yeah. I don't know enough about it all. No, I don't really.

And that's not me, I'm not being ignorant, I'm being honest. No, you need to know about it, you gotta research it. Yeah. You've got to look into it, read stuff, you've got to read both sides of it. It's a lot to do. Not just look at stuff that you read on the news

or some lunatic on the Facebook or whatever. Absolutely. As I say, the truth would be somewhere in between. Probably. It normally is. We've had quite a lot of messages actually talking about Wimbledon and Don't See the Point and it's all about celebs just dressing up. Which, you know, I don't think people are that interested in it all. No, they're not because Wimbledon, whether you like it or not, is very much about the

occasion and it's very much about tradition and it's very much about, you know, it's the premier tennis tournament in the world. Whether you like it or not, you've got the French Open and the American Open, whatever Open, but Wimbledon is seen as the top of the shop. So for a player, I think to win Wimbledon is one of the most greatest things that they can do. But with that comes all of the faffs around in it. Yes. So a lot of the time, like we're talking about now, you're forgetting about the tennis. I mean, I haven't got a clue who's in the semi-final. I don't even know who's playing. I know that Hugh Grant fell asleep.

So as a sporting spectacle, you know, I rolled Hugh, he's really, you know, he's taking the headlines. Or someone else. Over Djokovic and Alcaraz. Or whoever is playing, yeah, I don't know. They're playing. They're playing, okay. All right. Well, when this comes out, we'll know who's won. I'm looking forward to it it really am. Here's one. My fiance and family were all into rugby league, so I got involved. Back in those days, it was standing on the terraces and many of them were open to the elements. I've stood and watched a game in ice, snow, freezing rain. My feet got so cold I couldn't feel them till we got back to the car. The things we do for love. Love the pod, especially when Tony is on. Carol from West Yorkshire.

Hello, Carol. Thanks for writing in. Brilliant. Rugby. Right. So this is a thing. I think this is my personal view over the last few years. I think there's been, instead of a divergence of sport, some sports have moved away so that they're sort of almost diametrically opposed now in terms of behaviour, fan base. I don't want to say it but I'm going to say it, drugs. Right. Right. So for instance, I know for a fact rugby league, I've never been but I know people,

fabulous. Rugby union, fabulous. Right. Cricket, with the right crowd, brilliant. Not so much T20 because there's a lot of boozing and whatever else can get a bit naughty, you know. And then you look at football and what turned me off of football the last few years going, I mean, I'm actually talking about going football. Yeah, yeah, going there. Loads of drugs involved, loads of people taking drugs, loads of silliness going on, loads of drinking and people think they want to fight each other. It's the same as horse racing. So if you like horse racing now, it's got

a massive problem with drugs. Really? Massive, massive problem with drugs. Wow. Because the people that are going now are going for a day out to take what they want to take and have a fight and all the rest of it. Right. Okay. Huge, huge problem. Not widely known. Right. So it's under the carpet. But again, if you listen to the right things, like I listen to Talk Sport, you know, I think there's now certain race meetings. They've got sniffer dogs. Right. Okay. They've got x-ray machines

to stop people taking weapons. It's getting ridiculous. I was going to make a really bad joke then. Go on. I was going to say I can't believe they're taking dogs in to do it and all. Oh, it made you laugh. Fine. It was just in my head. Sorry. You said he's sod. You're on. Sorry. But so, yeah, I think there's certain sports, as Carol said, you know, they're into rugby and because it's, I think it's, it's a proper family orientated sport. I think fans mix. Rugby union's the same. Fans will sit next to each other.

Yes. They'll have a laugh and a joke and whatever else, but it won't be no nastiness. Now, can you imagine Arsenal Spurs fans, you know, Celtic and Rangers fans next to each other, Everton and Liverpool fans next to each other. It will be mayhem, chaos. Yeah. So I think, yeah, for me, I would now, if it were me, I would be looking to go down

or I'd be looking to watch sport, if I was going to go live, I'd be looking to watch something where I don't feel that threat is there. As a sort of grown up middle aged man I don't want to be in that environment. So do you think football's got much worse since you were younger? Yeah I do yeah. Yeah personally I do yeah. It used to be terrible in the 70s, like mid 70s, early 80s. There was a lot of violence and stuff and then it all stopped. It was all see at stadiums and after the tragedies that went on, you

know, Hillsborough and Heysel and all these other things that happened and football suddenly became more gentrified. If you like, you've got a lot more middle-class fans coming into it. You look at the arsenal, you go over the Arsenal now and there's, you've got corporate boxes and all this sort of stuff and you're at club level and you know, you've got some very well-to-do people supporting the club that would never have been there years and years ago, which is great. But unfortunately, in the last few years, I think there's been a rise in violence, there's been a rise in the drugs thing is huge, it's massive. And that creates its own problems in the stadium. Yeah, what a shame.

Yeah, yeah. And people probably disagree with me, but I've seen it. Yeah, well it's your opinion, that's what we're here for. You're not telling people that's it and you know. No, no, no. Other people might go and never see it, but I saw quite a bit of it last year, I had my season ticket. That's one of the things that put me off. You're not gonna go? No I'm not gonna have someone standing on his seat in front of me in the upper tier and then when I tell him to sit down he wants to have a fight with me and all standing on his

seat. Oh dear. This kid this fella and I just said sit down mate and I said he wanted to go off on one seeing his eyes all rolling Yeah. I thought I ain't having this no more. No, don't need it. Don't need it. Not on a thirsty night. No, or Saturday afternoon when you've been to work and you've looked forward to it. So it happened a few times. There's a few times where you've got people getting out, really getting out of hand, you know.

So, so anyway, that's that's my take on it. Well, talking of sports, Joanie had her sports day. Oh, did she? And it was brilliant. Did you have to do the mum run? No, none of that. It was all relay. Yeah. Going round in a circle. Oh, did she? And it was brilliant. Did you have to do the mum run? No, none of that. It was all relay, going round in a circle. They all did their bit.

We were shouting and hollering and Mark's putting together a beautiful video. He's done all the, he took all the video and he's editing it all together. So that'll be really lovely. But yeah, that's my idea of a good sports day out. The kids, watching the kids do stuff. If I watch Eliza do hockey

or if I watch, you know, whatever it is, but I just love being at the school and watching them all. That's just nice. Yeah, it is. Yeah, excellent. Right then, we've survived. Okay. We've survived, haven't we? Just about, yeah. You alright?

I'm a bit damp. Are you? Yeah. Yeah. Some people might like to hear that in that voice of yours. Sorry. You can't say that. Well, I've said it now.

What can I do? I better go. Thanks everybody for listening. Yeah, thank you very much. You're all angels. We'll speak to you soon. Please remember to subscribe, like, give us a review. Drop me a message 0778 20 19 19.

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