Life with Nat - EP18: I can fall asleep on a washing line

Episode Date: June 19, 2024

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Hello and welcome to Life with Nat. Happy bloody Thursday. I am joined tonight, I'm very excited, with my lovely brother Tony. How are you Tony? I'm good Nat with my lovely brother, Tony. How are you, Tony? I'm good, Nat. How are you? I'm very good. I'm so pleased. This is episode 18. It's the first time you've been on.

I was wondering when you were going to ask, to be honest, but there we go. We're here now, so we got there in the end. You're a busy man. I know. But I thought this would be a really nice one because it's quite light, quite fun. Yeah.

And this is about napping. I wanted to do an episode on napping because people that know me very well know that I'm a bit of a serial napper. Hello, Em, how are you? Hello. Yeah, right, thanks. How are you?

I'm very well. I'm very good. And I'm pleased to move on to a bit of a lighter subject. Yeah, we had a we had a a deep old we've had a deep couple of episodes and I think people need a bit of a laugh now

so we're back to a little bit of drivel so no pressure Tony listen I'm just yeah I'm here for the beer as they say

right so I'm going to start off by saying thank you to all my listeners. You have sent me some absolutely fantastic messages on napping. And I was going to wait around for a little while to see how many I got, but I collated so many within about three days, I thought, well, I better do this subject because it's obviously a popular one. And maybe we can go back to it at some point also is it is it sleep as well now is it is it is it just napping or are we we're going to expand it to the generalization of sleep as well i think we can go to sleep time yeah i think well i think we should personally yeah we can talk about sleep we can

talk about naps it's in general yeah people's sleep patterns and what they enjoy and what they don't. And also, I think it's important that their sleep patterns change in different parts of their lives, different times of their lives as well. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So that's certainly a thing for me. Yeah. Because I used to be able to sleep on a clothesline when I was a kid and then I had kids and that was the end of that. Is that true? Oh, absolutely. I would fall asleep, I could sleep in a car, on a coach, on a plane.

I could sleep at a party. I fell asleep behind the speakers at the Camden Palace once. You've got a lot of messages here about people falling asleep. About people falling asleep in nightclubs. Yeah. Honestly, I swear to you. All my mates were saying, where's he gone? He's gone home.

And I wasn't. I fell asleep behind. And these speakers were big. They're six foot speakers in this nightclub oh yeah so I was a serial sleeper and then we had children

and that was the end of that it just changes the whole dynamic well you see I don't know what to say about that because having kids didn't change me

I can still sleep and sleep and sleep I mean I had bad nights sleep with the kids obviously but I can go to bed I had a nap today

yeah you haven't been through teenage years quite yet have you you've still got them to go yeah I'm just starting maybe that might have an impact let's see we'll talk well I'll ask the same question in six years time we'll see how we get on note that down Em

six years we're putting a calendar now yeah 2030 all right six or seven how was your nap today Note that down, Em. Six years. We're putting it in the calendar now. Yeah, 2030. All right, six or seven. How was your nap today? Well, no, I've been a bit wiped out. I feel a little bit burnt out. Saturday, I felt like I had the flu. I woke up.

A lot of that kind of pain. I don't know if it was, Tony. You know where you just feel so tired, your body goes, no. I've had enough. Yeah. Shut down. Shut down, yeah. goes, no. I've had enough. Yeah. Shut down. Shut down, yeah. I was hot, I was cold, temperature.

And then I was, you know, you're thinking, how am I going to do next week? I'm so busy next week, what am I going to do? So I thought, no, stop worrying about all that. I had a pyjama day with Joni on the sofa. We slept for a couple of hours. Disney films? I can't tell you.

That's how out of it I was. Oh, right. Well, that's fair enough. You must have had a good time. Oh, no, sorry. Zootropolis. Oh of hours. Disney films? I can't tell you. That's out of it I was. Oh, right. Well, that's fair enough. You must have had a good time. I know. Sorry. Zootropolis. Oh, right. It is a Disney film.

Oh, yeah. We put Zootropolis on. Within five minutes I was asleep, but so was she. Yeah. But I really needed a day of nothing. Yeah. And I woke up Sunday feeling better. And it was Father's Day, obviously.

Yeah. Did you have a nice Father's Day? I did, thanks. Yeah, I went, believe it or not, I went, i drove sort of had an 18 hour day driving to birmingham to go fishing about which was really mad it was really really mad and when i got in at eight o'clock on sunday night i just thought why did i do that but i did it anyway but it was great the kids sent messages got a nice bottle of aftershave lovely and how'd you doing the fishing terrible so we won't talk about that was it bad it wasn't great yeah yeah it's sort of a bit of my own fault and a bit of where i was but yeah it was but it was just a really long you know you're all up for you know when when you book i've booked

this match i thought yeah i'm gonna yeah i've got a chance of this yeah it's a big qualifying tournament you know and i thought i got a chance and you really go for it and you put your effort into it and do this long long drive and you know like two hours there three hours back in the day and then you just i sat there at about nine o'clock and thought you're mad what do you think just i don't even know why i did it now but it's passion it seemed like a good idea at the time but it's passions yeah you do it competitively rather than just sort of hobby as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not a chilled lay back, let's see what happens. You're like, give me the fish, give the fish.

It's worse than work. It's more stressful than work. So it's not great. It's not a rest, that's for sure. It's not a rest. Me and Em often talk about hobbies because we start hobbies and leave them. I can understand that. You know, you start something.

Yeah, you get into it, you do a bit of sewing or a bit of knitting. There you go. You buy all the wool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You buy the bag. You go, yes! You know, I've got this thing, I'm going to start a model railway one day

and I'm going to go and spend a load of money on a model railway interstate and it will end up in the box. Yeah. Just under the bed somewhere or whatever. But I always say it's better to be curious and passionate about things than not at all. That's very true if you can afford it.

That's true. That's true. Because hobbies are expensive. Yeah, that is true. Unless you take up, I don't know. Needle work. Origami. I think needle work is quite cheap because it's just a needle and some thread.

Origami is all right. It's just paper, isn't it? Bit of paper. Yeah, there's probably some cheap hobbies out there whistling i'd say that's more of an annoyance than a hobby if i'm honest but it's pretty free i think that one's i mean you still there's still even on origami you buy the special paper there's always the books spending too much yeah the personal lessons with the japanese master at it yeah he's not gonna be cheap is he no that's true if you're origami especially if you're flying over there absolutely yeah he's not going to be cheap is he no that's true if you're origami

especially if you're flying over there absolutely yeah if you're going to Tokyo for the weekend for your origami lesson slightly better than

Birmingham yeah up the M1 and M6 is better that's it definitely than the origami weekend so there you go that makes you feel

better you might have spent five hours in the car but you didn't fly to Japan no which was good which is good

how's your hobbies this weekend? Done any? Any Lego knocking about? Some Lego knocking about? Yeah, yes. What have I been doing? Mostly been working. Have you?

Mostly working. But let's be honest, though. Our work's a bit like a hobby anyway. Well, kind of, up to a point where you then go, I've got six deadlines a point where you then go i've i've got you know six deadlines a week and you go you know it's less less just the you're a good girl this is an interesting week actually because we're recording this tuesday evening for thursday and it's i've been a little bit funny and panicky about getting them in the bank time,

getting the episodes in in case something happens. But there's something really nice about it being more relevant to the week. Yeah. Because you can say we've had a nice couple of days of sunshine. Yeah, for a change. Which is nice. Pretty good. Right, back to napping.

I've got a lovely little message here from lovely Marie. Hi, Nat. So a little nap story for you um we love going to the cinema well my partner and daughter do I'm not the biggest of fan I couldn't give or take the cinema you know give or miss but we went to watch a film probably about two years ago my daughter would have been about 14 um she sat in the middle. I sat one side. My partner sat the other side. Halfway through the film, I get a real bad nudge in my ribs. I'd fallen asleep.

And I had only fallen asleep. I'd cuddled in to the guy on my right-hand side. My partner thought it was hilarious. The guy's wife was tamping and my daughter was mortified. I'm Marie from South Wales. Oh, dear, Marie. That's a shocker. But the first question I've got to ask is, Marie, what was the film?

We need to know the films and we never have to watch it. Because it obviously wasn't very good, was it? My parents fall asleep at any film, regardless of how interested they are. Oh, really? Okay, maybe it's true. I was going to say that they are oh really, ok maybe it's a I was going to say that when I get in that cinema it's all dark it's very hard not to fall asleep

but in terms of turning around and cuddling a stranger that's not great no, not something I've ever done in a cinema not that sort of cinema anyway no, it's a really I think it's one of those where you probably wouldn't go back there in a cinema, not that sort of cinema anyway. No. Not a normal cinema. But no, it's a really, I think it's one of those where you probably wouldn't go back there in a hurry because you saw the same couple again.

Yeah. Imagine lining up for your tickets and they're in front of you and the wife's staring at you saying, you're not going to cuddle my husband again, are you? Problem with me, if I'm in the cinema, or anywhere in public really, is this is how how I nap and I'm not making this up I'm very happy to tell you and I'm very honest but this is the noise I make you I'm not putting that on I sound like Darth Vader

and I can't help it even when you just sort of nod off yes so I have been known to be in the theatre before now and I think I've, because I'm panicked because of the noise I make I can film myself.

And then you wake yourself up with the snore. And I wake myself up with the noise. Right, where someone's doing their soliloquy or some sort of really deep and meaningful bit, there's Natalie in the front row snoring. Yes. Goes down a storm with a theatre mob, I would imagine. Do you snore? I'd like to think I don't. Really?

I think it depends what sort of sleep I'm having. Okay. And if I'm on my back, I do. Most people do when they're on their back. I sleep on my back, you see. Yeah. See, I learnt to sleep on my left-hand side when we had the kids because they was always in between us,

so you couldn't sleep on your right or you'd worry about squashing them. So I sleep on the left now. Interestingly, they say that the left hand side i fall asleep on my left yeah mark huddle's been from behind that's how we go to sleep right okay but i end up i'm always on my back when i want to properly go to sleep but laying on your left hand side apparently is the way your heart pumps right and that's the healthiest and safest way to go to sleep all right for your heart did you know that m no there's one side that's here healthiest and safest way to go to sleep for your heart. I've never known that. Did you know that, Em?

No. There's one side that's supposed to be better for your gut as well because it's the way that the pipes go through. All left. Apparently it's all left. How do you sleep? Badly. It takes me a very long time to get to sleep.

I'm ruminating thoughts for hours and hours. I saw them at the position you were in, Emma. Oh, just by all moving, changing. Yeah, you were turning. Emma, my wife, she turns throughout the night, so she'd be backside, front, back. Because she sort of, yeah, she goes round in a circle, basically. I just lay there.

Like Sonic the Hedgehog. Well, yeah, or anything else that goes round in a circle basically i just lay like sonic the hedgehog well yeah or anything else that goes around in a circle like the wheel yes yes yeah but she's very animated in that respect whereas i just yeah i just i sort of try to stay to me left hand side really mark's quite animated mark will move about a bit yeah i, I just get uncomfortable. I have to change it up. I'm not a front sleeper, but it's side, side, back, side, back, toe. I couldn't sleep on my front. There's no way. No way.

I get into bed and people hate me for it. I get into bed. How many people are in there then? Ten in the bed and the little one said brilliant so gladly he's arrived roll over

yeah sorry here she is here she is I mean when I'm when I'm having conversations with people about it I don't understand when people say

I'm not a good sleeper I just don't get it you want to be really careful about that because I know when you don't if you're like me and Emma and you don't sleep very well,

then people will hate you, you're quite correct. Yeah, and they do. I mean, you're my sister and I hate you for it. Yeah. So there you go. I'll go to bed. I'll go to bed. I can watch a bit of telly or what have you.

You've got the phone, we have a chat. And as soon as I go, I'm going to sleep now. I just close my eyes, I'm asleep. And then I wake up when my alarm goes off. That's amazing. That's really good. Apart from if I'm, you know, if you're ill, you're coughing a lot, or you've got to get up, that sort of thing.

There's one for you. Go on. Is there a particular night, and you as well, is there a night that's one night that's generally worse in terms of your sleep? Oh, I know mine. Go on. When is it? The full moon.

Yeah, that does have an effect. If there is a full moon, I have the most terrible nightmares and it takes me a long time to get to sleep. Well, we said about that when we spoke the other week, didn't we? And I said I had a terrible night's sleep last night and you said full moon. It's the full moon. No, I was saying, is there one night every week, is there one night every week where you would generally sleep worse on

that night than another night that's this i've got one i would probably say the the sunday when you're going to start a new week if you've got a busy week and you're just having a little think about things but honestly that means i'm awake for an extra 25 seconds having to think about the week and then I'm asleep. Okay. What's your night? Mine is Sunday as well. Yeah. But mine, I actually sometimes I have had in the past,

I wouldn't call them night terrors, but I will wake up in a cold sweat at 3 o'clock in the morning on a Sunday night, Monday morning, just worrying about the whole week and customers I'm going to see and jobs i've got to do well it's all your week it's your brain going the anxiety of the week the busyness because what i think what happens is is that you finish work on a friday i mean sometimes it's a saturday for me whatever but yeah and your body naturally winds down you wind down because you think well that's done and dusted i put that to bed and now i've got some of my own time whether that's to

rest or go out do whatever and then i think from i don't know maybe sort of six or seven o'clock on a sunday night you're ramping back up again for the week that's how i feel anyway yeah and so i can have some really really bad i was talking to a friend of mine about it a little while ago he didn't understand it no no i completely completely do. Emma, how about you? Do you understand that about the Sunday? Yeah, not so much at the moment because I work Sundays as well. Yes, yeah. But I still get the sort of, I'm supposed to be at school anxiety dreams occasionally.

The old antiques roadshow music. You used to do it, didn't you? Yeah. I used to sit with mum and dad and it... And you'd think, oh, school. Well, when we were kids, it was That's Life, Esther Anson. Oh, yeah. So as soon as you heard That's Life, whatever the theme tune was,

I'm talking about late 70s or early 80s, that feeling of dread used to come over you. You've got to go to Scotland Road. Yeah. You just hated it. Hated it. Very lucky to like being at home weren't we really

yeah so maybe maybe it stems back from that I don't know it might be that some people do it stems back from

going to school and that whole Sunday night thing it just it definitely is a thing with me I think so here's something for you

I know we're not we'll get on to napping in a minute I promise you have any of you experienced sleep paralysis before luckily Here's something for you. I know we're not... We'll get on to napping in a minute, I promise you. Have any of you experienced sleep paralysis before? Luckily not. I get nightmares occasionally,

but none of that kind of I'm awake, can't move thing. I suppose I say I sleep really brilliant and I'm really brilliant, but I often get sleep paralysis. What, where you can't move? It's absolutely petrifying. What it is, it's where part of your brain's woken up so you know you're awake but none of you move. So you're awake and you cannot lift or move a centimetre, a millimetre. Really?

And it is the most petrifying thing. I think it's probably got more to do with the bottle of gin you've just drunk to be honest so I'll tell you what it's bloody out of order

isn't it no I'm being that's a silly silly joke I'm being serious now no I've never had I have woken up before it's petrifying

when I've been super tired and I've woken up and my legs are asleep so you lay down and I think my legs are asleep and they don't want to move and I've woken up and my legs are asleep. So you lay down and think, my legs are asleep and they don't want to move and I'll lay there for a bit longer. But I've never had sleep paralysis. This is, you're on your side. Yeah, and you can't move.

You might have had a nightmare or something and you're desperate to move. I'm desperate to put my arm on Mark and wake him up. You cannot move your arm. No. It's, yeah, not a good one. But it doesn't happen often. It doesn't happen often anymore. It happened quite a bit at kind of times in my life

where I was probably very upset and anxious. So it must all be kind of coinciding with how you're feeling and your psyche and all of that. And probably the dream you've just had or not or whatever. Exactly. That's all that sort of deep, meaningful stuff that've just had or not, or whatever. Exactly. All that sort of deep, meaningful stuff that's in the back of your mind somewhere. Yeah.

But that is horrible. Let me know if you've had any of those. Oh, 7778-2019-19. They're horrible. Get groceries delivered across the GTA from Real Canadian Superstore with PC Express. Shop online for super prices and super savings. Try it today and get up to $75 in PC Optimum Points. Visit superstore.ca to get started.

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Don't get to have them now I have two children, but prior I'd nap anywhere at any time. Loved a nap before going out on a Friday, Saturday night. In an old job when the office manager had gone home, I'd make a little bed under my desk, set an alarm and have a snooze until it was time to go home. In my early 20s, I went into work on a Saturday for overtime, having had about an hour's sleep, if that. Having been out on a random one on the Friday night, I shut my eyes in the toilet for five minutes, woke up and the lights are timed out. God knows how long I was in there and no one had noticed i was missing loving the pod so emma's a serial napper thank you for your message i love that absolutely love it kim c said your napping question i love a nap i'm not always that good at

it but i never feel guilty if i have one claudia wman loves a nap. I read about it in her very funny autobiography. I'd like to say that Claudia Winkleman's book, Quite, is one of my favourite autobiographies. I'm obsessed with Claudia Winkleman and she talks about how napping is very good for you. I'm sure it is. And I know it is because people say it is. But that last message that you just read out

um she talked about she has a nap and she doesn't what was the word she she doesn't feel guilty she never feels guilty right so that the g word for me is massive massive in having a random kip napping going to sleep in the day, whatever it is. Yeah. And I literally, there's times when, sorry, I'm talking about me, but there's times when I do a physical job and there's times, might be a Saturday afternoon, where I am shattered. Yeah. Absolutely shattered.

You know, I've done sort of nearly six, like six days work and I'll come in and I'm really, really tired. And my wife says to me, Tony, go upstairs and have a nap go upstairs and have a sleep and I will go up with the best intentions of having a sleep and then 20 minutes later after tossing and turning I'll be down saying I can't do it I've got this to do that to do and I actually feel for me it's the guilt thing that stops me from doing it because I think there must be something better I can do. I should be doing something more constructive than going to sleep during the day, which is terrible.

It's really bad. I know it's bad. Yeah. But that's a... No, I understand. You know, that's how I feel about it. And I was, well, I do understand that. And loads of people say, oh, no, don't have a nap.

There seems to be a kind of 50-50 split. People that go, it's good for you, laid down. You know, you look at Europe. I know they've got warmer climates or whatever. They shut up their shops. They have a bit of lunch. They're all asleep till 4 o'clock. We talk about Greeks, Italians, Cypriots.

They start very early. They start very early. They start super early. And then they have their, that's right, and then they'll go on till later in early super early and then they have their that's right and then they'll go on till later in the evening also they have a free course meal at lunchtime they have their main meal lunchtime yeah right then they have a kip then they'll open up half four five o'clock until nine o'clock but no what lots of people say oh the diet it's the olive oil it's the fish it's the it's the fish yeah yeah i am telling you now

there's something in that afternoon nap i'm telling you i'm no doctor i'm telling you now i think there is something a secret to a longer life i think naps when your body needs it because that's when you repair your body shuts down you're repairing all your cells that's the only time your body has to regenerate that's brilliant but then what happens so the odd time there we go when i've been able to have a nap and very odd time then i can't sleep at night so i've had hours kipping in the middle of the afternoon it's brilliant for you and then two o'clock the next morning, I'm still wide awake and staring at the television and wondering when I'm ever going to go to sleep.

So I find it interrupts my sleep patterns too much. It's a delicate balance. Well, also, if you're that way inclined and you're really sensitive with the sleep, I've been known to finish work. He's going to hit me in a minute and he's gonna he's gonna lob me one i'm gonna encourage him i've been known to finish work at four o'clock and think i've got half an hour before rush hour and all that i got a half an hour i'll lay in my dressing room i'll put the alarm on, five past four till 25 past four,

go into a deep sleep for 20 minutes, get up, come home, go to sleep fine. That's a gift. That's a gift. That's not napping. That's some sort of sleep gift that you've got. Sleep superpower. Yeah, it's got to be because it's just,

I don't know anyone that does that. I know. Sleep woman. Coming to a cinema near you soon. Sleep woman. Will you fall asleep in you soon. Yeah. Sleep woman. Will you fall asleep in the film? One thing I will say about the guilt is I do, I do that. And then I do think, oh, I do feel guilty.

I think this is terrible. But I kind of do it anyway. I don't know why. I've just, it makes me feel better. Well, you're addicted to kipping. That's what it is. You're obviously, you're addicted to your napping. Without a doubt.

If you can get over the guilt. She's a kipper. That's great. Yeah, she's a kipper. if you can get over the guilt she's a kipper that's great yeah she's a kipper if you can get over the guilt it's great but for me that's a that's a big issue oh dear sorry it just is do you ever nap during the day sometimes i'll i'll go and take a screen break and by what i mean a screen break is i will move away from my computer for half an hour yeah look at my phone for half an hour lying down, and then sort of psych myself up and come back to my computer. It's more of a screen change, if you don't mind me saying.

It's not really a break, is it? One screen to the other type of thing, isn't it? It's about 90% smaller, so it's less screen. It changes as good as it rests. You keep telling yourself that. You keep telling yourself. I used to do mad night shifts and stuff and I'd have to try and catch a little nap every now and then.

But I'd find that there were some shifts that I'd have four hours in between different shifts. I'd go home in between. It'd take like 40 minutes an hour to get each way and just for the sake of lying down for 20 minutes just to come back out and it was just it it worked but i'd often find i'd wake up more groggy than when i went well the grogginess is a very large issue yes it is yeah because that's the two g's guilt guilt and grogginess you isn't it? You're absolutely right. And you get up, I wake up and you say, oh, my head's so heavy.

Where are you? I've had that one. I don't know where I am. Yeah, if you do... Dribble. The worst one's on holiday. The holiday nap. Oh, God.

If you fall asleep under the umbrella. Yes. And then you wake up an hour later and you could be on Mars. You don't know where you are. It's true. Literally. There's strange voices. There's the sound of running water the holiday nap is a holiday nap's a killer dribble yeah i always have a lot of dribble on my face sweating i don't really that's when i get

the most of the guilt it is yeah if you're on a holiday and you go oh now i'm just wasting the day and you feel like yeah you go on holiday you go on a holiday and you go oh now i'm just wasting the day and you feel like yeah you go on holiday you go on holiday for this special experience and then sleep all the way through it's brutal it's a great idea but that's your body telling you that's your body telling you that you need a rest we're gonna turn into gratitude rather than guilt we're just gonna be like you know i'm very grateful to be allowed to be able to have this time to take a rest. Got to have a kip. Rather than beat ourselves up about it.

Tracy sent me a very lovely, you know what I liked about Tracy's message? It was concise. I'm currently waiting to fly out of Singapore whilst listening. Maybe she's doing some origami. That's not the right place. It could be. Close. How do you know?

I don't know. You don't know that Singapore don't do origami. I just took the opportunity because it was, you know. Listen, it's that way in the world, isn't it? Thank you. So they might be big in it. See, that's why he's my brother because he stands up for me, you know. We'll Google it.

We'll Google it later. All right. They do it everywhere. Origami is everywhere. Yeah. Currently waiting to fly out of Singapore whilst listening to your podcast, loving them. Was going to voice note, but the lounge is very quiet.

Here's my feedback. I like this, Tracy. Number one, my insomnia is so bad I can sometimes be awake for four to five hours. Number two, my friend can fall asleep on a washing line. And three, I too hate being alone in the house and I'm 61. And number four is she's never had a TV in her bedroom. So there are a couple of subjects that we touched on with Ells last week, if you remember, and that the being scared at home and all of that, we talk about sleeping, we're talking about sleeping. when i'm on my own and mark isn't here i i i find it really

hard to get to sleep and i have to be exhausted really to get to sleep i do find it hard but thank you tracy i thought that was a really lovely message i like the old points it was it was very good and you know i might be able to fall asleep on the washing line there are people that you know and if you're like that it's marvellous really but to think that I mean they do slobber all over you

in cinemas that's the only problem but hey ho every cloud every cloud and all that yeah we haven't heard

from Naomi yet Em but I've had lots of messages from her loads and loads but it's just not been the right sort of time or place to play her. And this was absolutely brilliant.

And hi, Naomi. Thank you so much for all your messages. Here we go. Hi, Natalie. It's Naomi. Right, on the subject of naps, my wife falls asleep so quickly. I kid you not. The other day we got into bed and she went, night, babe.

And I went, night, babe, love you. And she turned around and she went, oh, you woke me up then. And she got in the right mood with me for waking her up by replying to her comment. It's annoying i'm not a napper i take hours to fall asleep she literally goes good night shuts her eyes and she's out cold so annoying yeah that's me i'm not your wife unfortunately naomi but it is mad isn't it the difference yeah it is really mad there are some funny napping stories though there are some really really funny ones now love the podcast makes me laugh every week thank you so much love it love it love it so first of all just say that when you were saying it

i was cooking and i went oh my god the nathaholics then i thought nathah God, the Nappaholics. Then I thought, Nappaholics, brilliant. Nappaholics would be good. Anyway, so went to Amsterdam with the girls, had a lovely time, didn't drink, didn't smoke, nothing. And got to the noisiest food hall you'll ever be in. Beautiful in Amsterdam, middle of Amsterdamsterdam like tucked away lovely and put my head on a table in the middle of this food hall and had a little nap for a good hour woke up my friends just looked at me i said what's been going on they said you've been asleep for an hour brilliant um so yeah like you nap anywhere lovely thank you megs for that message see there's lots of us that can just do that i don't know if i could put me head down in a canteen and go to sleep i like a bit of privacy

i think if the mood takes you and you're that way inclined i don't think it makes a lot of but she's not had a drink she's not no i'm just saying but she's obviously someone that can do your 20 minute hour whatever it is just head on the table job done I know but that's hardcore because you're in a public place I don't know if I could do that well she had her friends to look after her so she probably had

that little safety net a little bit of comfort yeah I think if she was on her own she probably would have struggled you're right you're right have you got any funny stories about

where people have fallen asleep well because I can think of one there is one very yes it is a good one. Unfortunately, it involves alcoholic beverage.

That's okay. As they, with us blokes, I'm afraid they normally do. So a good few years ago now, it was Arsenal, our team, obviously, was playing Spurs in the FA Cup semi-final at Wembley. Yeah. And it was the game where we got beat 3-1 and Paul Gascon scored that fantastic free kick. So it wasn't a great game anyway.

And my uncle, Lenny, decided to get some corporate tickets for the game, which involved a nice dinner, nice meal and some wine and all the rest of it. And dad, who wasn't a great football fan, got sort of, he ended up going along and he got sort of press ganged into it by a few people. So they go along and they're having their dinner and, you know, they're drinking wine and they're drinking some more wine and it goes on and it goes on.

You know, it's a couple of hours before the game. They're having this lunch. Yeah, of course, yeah. Daddy didn't drink wine really, did he? No, he didn't drink wine. did he no he didn't drink wine he used to drink scotch yeah and

so he sort of disappeared apparently I mean I wasn't there but he disappeared obviously went to the loo as we've all got to do and

about 45 minutes later the game had started yeah and he's still not back at the table and Lenny's looking for him doesn't know where had started yeah and he's still not back at the table and lenny's looking for him don't know where he is he's he's he's apoplectic with worry because he thinks he's

probably had a heart attack and died somewhere and he's gonna have to come home and tell mum that dad's died had a heart attack at wembling he's dead so he was really really really scared and he i remember him saying to me he said i, I really was, did fear the worst. Anyway, he wandered around for half an hour, went into various toilets and all of a sudden saw this pair of shoes underneath a locked toilet cubicle. And dad had basically gone to the loo, hadn't gone to the loo, he'd gone and sat in a toilet cubicle, fallen asleep for about two hours. But the main point of this story is how did Lenny know it was Dad? What did he wear on his feet?

Do you remember? He'd always wear black shoes with white socks. Oh, black shoes, white socks. That's right, yeah. Black shoes, white socks with trousers. Yeah, yeah. So he looked socks with trousers. Yeah, yeah. So he looked like Michael Jackson. Yeah, yeah.

Well, only when he pulled his strides up. Yeah. But it did help that I think the game had been going for 20 minutes and there was obviously nobody in the toilet, so there was just this one pair of shoes in the toilet cubicle. So it was a good bet that it was him. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and I don't know,

well, he certainly never went to football after that, that was for sure and um i don't think he ever lived it down he said he was tired he wasn't drunk apparently no of course yeah we all say that a bit like at your wedding when he was laying in a hedge yeah they found him in the flower bed at about nine o'clock yeah everyone was doing the they'd just done the conga over actually yeah yeah yeah i was standing there and some bloke i never knew said we just done the congrove your dad which i thought was hilarious my mum was going to kill him with a bare hands basically but it was hilarious what a great wedding i know but can i just there's just one more story it's my story oh i would like to hear your story. Sleep story from Tony. It's a sleep story, yeah. And it's a regular occurrence, this was. So the year we got married was 1994.

Four Weddings and a Funeral year. So Four Weddings and a Funeral was the big film. And it was in the pictures quite early, in the cinemas quite early. And I was working at this place and all the girls had come back. They came back and they'd all'll watch it go at different times. Different girls would come back and go, have you seen that film for, and there's a few,

I was so funny, you know, they'd put in their socks on driving up the M1 and this and that. And your wedding's going to be like, and I was thinking, I hope it's not. But it, what it was was that that year,

as well as us getting married for the next sort of 18 months, we had, it was the four weddings and a funeral part of our life. Yes, yeah. We had lots of friends at work. We had friends at home that we'd grown up, we'd gone to school with. And I think we must have had eight or ten weddings in probably an 18-month period. That's a lot of weddings, isn't it?

It was almost every single month at one point. Yeah. It was ridiculous. And a lot of these weddings we'd go to, they'd be in Surrey or Hertfordshire. Bloody expensive as well at the time, weren't they? Well, yeah, I don't like to say it, but they are. No, I'm just saying outfits, presents. Yeah, they were, yeah.

Exactly. All of that is a lot. And so the reason why we kept it less expensive was rather than staying over, Sharon would say, look, I'll drive. You like to have a drink. You don't know people. A lot of the weddings were from people she worked with at Abbey National. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So you should say to me, I'll drive, but don't get drunk. And every time I say, absolutely, definitely, I will not get drunk. I promise you I won't get drunk. That's what I do. And, of course, midnight, I'm the last one being dragged off the dance floor at the hospitality tent, the last one looking for the last drink.

She's dragging me by my hair into the car. And a lot of the time we were in the middle of nowhere. You know, we was in Berkshire or Buckinghamshire, all these places where we didn't know. And so we'd get into the car. She'd get me into the car, sorry, nine times out of ten. And I would then fall asleep, bang, straight away, because we hadn't had kids at that point, and I'd had a few drinks.

And she then had to navigate without a map or without sat-nav in the pitch black. She'd navigate these country lanes. You don't think of that now em do you honestly yeah you don't think now i've not having a google map in the car or not having a sat nav or a phone that can tell you where to go so i'd be asleep the whole way up we'd get home back to the flat and i'd wake up so it was that and she'd scream at me yeah you know we've just she'd say to me you know i've nearly hit a deer

and I've just had a serial killer flagging me down with an axe in his hand and all this stuff, you know, because we're in the middle of nowhere in the country. And I did it quite regularly. I feel bad about it now. But it saved us a few quid because we didn't have to pay for any hotels, you see. Yeah, no, I understand. So it worked really.

For you? And I had a great time. For you for you and i had a great time for you yeah i had a great time fucking cheeky so sorry that's my that's my yeah yeah oh sharon's very patient emma i'd say you'd meet her one day but you won't she won't come on here i've got a bribe i'll keep saying that i'm gonna play with rose one night and get her happy i'm gonna drag her up it but it won't happen Caroline Stonebank said nap him

hey Nat I can sleep on a washing line I can lay down it's a common theme washing lines yeah that's what we should do I've never heard that phrase before

well I yeah I think we should there's a new product there. The sleeping washing line. We'll bring a washing line out that people can sleep on and make a fortune.

That's a good idea. Didn't they used to? Is that something to do with the Navy where they would put the drunk sailors over? In the Navy. Correct. You bang on them, yeah. They used to...

From what I understand... Hang them out to dry off. Yeah. They used to be basically lines in between two buildings and they were so drunk that they used to hang them out to dry off yeah there used to be basically lines in between two buildings and they were so drunk that they used to hang them over the lines

and charge them half a shilling and let them sleep it off and they would literally really yeah and that's where hang them out to dry or sleeping on a washing line comes from

well that's where I believe it comes from I can't say that definitely because it wasn't there and it didn't make it up no

but yeah oh brilliant yeah well Caroline says hey now I can sleep on a washing line i can lay down for 20 minutes and go into a deep sleep and feel refreshed after we are so lucky to be able to do this we are caroline we're exactly the same i've always done shift work so that helps keep doing what you're doing making everyone smile caroline in ash so thank you very much caroline no we are we're the same and i do count myself very very lucky to be able to do so i really really do the worst is when mark's he's at ascot this week right and he goes out at six o'clock in the morning drives to ascot

sorry does everyone know he's not a professional gambler he's a cameraman yeah they do oh they do you're're right it's good to mention it because there might be a new listener yeah and they might be thinking she lets him go out to Ascot every day every single day

gambling at 6 o'clock in the morning just racing casinos that's incredible what a woman so yeah he's filming

he's doing the old cameras at Ascot this week but he goes out at 6 there all day he's not home yet 8 o''clock, won't be home, worked all day, and he'll get in and I'll say, I'd love a nap about three o'clock. And then by 10 o'clock I'm saying to him,

come on, I'm so tired, I've got to go to bed. I could just sleep and sleep and sleep and get up and have a nice time and then just be tired again. I don't get that, I've had an hour's sleep, I can't sleep. But I do sometimes think, Mark looks at me, I say, I'm knackered, should we go to bed? Have a nice time and then just be tired again. I don't get that. I've had an hour's sleep. I can't sleep. But I do sometimes think, Mark looks at me and I say, I'm knackered. Should we go to bed?

But he's another one. I can't understand it. He can do a 15-hour day and he doesn't want to go to bed. He wants to sit up till 1 o'clock in the morning. That's because he's done a 15-hour day. And that's because he wants to have time. He said, otherwise, what am I doing? It's up, work, bed, up, work, bed. And he doesn't want to do that. terminology is revenge bedtime procrastination revenge bedtime procrastination

so it's when you're just desperate for some like time where you're not between work or sleep you know where you where you feel like you're getting a life. You just need to kind of decompress in an awake way. Yeah. Well, Matthew Walker's book, While We Sleep, if anyone fancies a book on sleep, it's a great read. My mother-in-law bought it for me. Jackie bought it for me, Mark's mum.

It was a brilliant book, but it did change my life. It actually ruined my life because I'm upset. You know, he talks about how important the eight hours are and how there are night, you know, we say lazy people. They're so lazy they lay in. But there are night owls and early birds. Absolutely. There are, you know, that's a thing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Talk about night owls. One of the nicest night owls I've ever met was Peter Stringfellow. Really? Yes, at Brian Connolly. When we went to Brian's. An evening with. He did an audience with Brian Connolly.

Yes. And I met Peter there, just chatting or whatever. That's right. And what a lovely man. Different, completely different to his persona that you would think in the papers and all the rest of it. Yeah. But he was a complete nocturnal animal yeah he would get up at about i think he said he used to get up about four o'clock every day go to the club do his thing go to bed at five six o'clock in the morning or whatever it

was and then sleep all day yeah and that that was it that's how he lived his life which i found really odd but it seemed to work for him all right. Well, it's all right for him. Yeah, yeah. And I think there are also, there's this thing, I don't know if you've heard about it, Em, there's this book about, it's the 5am club or something. There's this big thing about people that they set their lives around

getting up at 5am every day. Yes, yes, I've heard about this. Yeah, I don't know how good or not. I've heard all about it. Yeah, and apparently... It's life changing. It changes your life. But you have to go to bed at 4 o'clock in the afternoon the next day before.

Right. So also, it can also mess with your social life a little bit, I think. But yeah, apparently that, you know, the early bird things, it's really big at the moment. I think it's meant to be very productive and very positive. Yeah, so you've done all your work by nine o'clock. You're up seeing the sunset, you know. You've done all your investment stuff by nine

and then you go and play tennis and whatever. I don't know. All these people that do this stuff. Not real, is it, really? I don't think so. Not in our life, it's not. Listen to this one. Rhian says,

I used to work nights in a hospital and I once had a sleep on my break in the porter's lodge and I farted myself awake in front of about ten colleagues all over the hospital. Loving the podcast. Oh, Rhian. Oh, that's terrible. Would that be over the tannoy then?

She farted, put everyone, herself away. But she was in the Porter's Lodge. What do you reckon? Did she sort of knock the PA system on and then fart all over the hospital? Or was there...

Or was it just loud enough for the whole hospital to hear? Or were there 10 porters in there at the time she was asleep? I mean, the Porter's Lodge is quite small. I reckon she's not the t reckon she's not that story there's more questions and answers in that one that's just we need some more information on that one ryan me and tony need a bit more info yeah please ryan just just to just to give us a bit of background please because uh that's going to

keep me awake tonight that one oh no you don't need anything else keeping her awake please please have you heard of biphasic sleep patterns what's that or polyphasic sleep patterns biphasic or polyphasic sleep patterns have you heard of that i have there because you've just mentioned it well then tell us uh no um what are they so it might match better match better if you want to nap each day. So it goes back to apparently there was like a medieval sleep practice, which was to have two sleeps. So you'd have an afternoon small sleep. Again, like a siesta where you'd have a small sleep,

wake up, small sleep again, you know, at night. When you say small sleep, what with sort of four hours-ish? Well, I mean, there's different ways of doing it. So, yeah, there's sort of equal. You can do four hours in each one. So a four-hour afternoon sleep and a four-hour night sleep. Or you can have, you know, like a half-hour nap and then a six-hour, seven-hour sleep, proper bedtime, you know. a half hour nap and then a six hour seven hour sleep

proper bedtime you know i see what you're saying okay but there's also this yeah polyphasic where people will have little sort of half an hour sleeps all through the day and then be never have a full kind of eight hours or you know even a full kind of more than two hours. I think it's all right that loads of sleep's during the day, but what do these people do for work? Yeah. Like, what if you're a bus driver or a tram driver and you're going to sleep every half hour?

It's a bit of a problem, really, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah, it wouldn't work. Or a teacher. Or a teacher. Nurse. Nurse is definitely. I mean, really, a builder's.

Well, yeah, I mean, a builder's well yeah I mean if I fell asleep every half hour I could be in trouble especially if I'm holding a skill saw or

an angle grinder yeah yeah that could be a real issue why isn't my tiling finished because I've had four naps today

correct yeah imagine saying that yeah where's my job take where's my extension taken 19 months because i have siesta every day because you have to work through the night to balance it out that's

the thing yeah but you're not allowed to him that's the problem you see we've got we've got strict working hours in this country so all that working through the night unless you've got agreements for it you've got no chance the neighbors won't like that no we have a problem we have a problem going past one o'clock on a saturday trust me but um professional setups professional people n21 buildings big time this is the first message i've ever had a shouting though isn't it in bold in bold is it in caps as well it's not in caps okay please keep me anonymous all right okay, okay. So this is from Anon. Anon. Just listening to today's pod about napping and falling asleep in strange places.

I have never been someone who is able to nap during the day, even when poorly. I was diagnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome this year, would probably explain why I had started to fall asleep in the school car park at pickup there's been more than one occasion where school staff have had to come out to the car looking for me and i was dead to the world try not to get to school too early now to prevent it love love love the pod you and the girls are fab so for our anonymous um listener you know you realize that it actually can be a problem it's a more serious side you know that certainly is a more serious it's really serious to have chronic fatigue and stuff like that so we can all laugh and joke about naps and narcolepsy or chronic

fatigue you know it really affects people's lives as well well like most things there's always a serious side and trees said Funny, isn't it? Now, is her name Teresa? T-R-E-E-Z. Trees. Trees. Big fan of them. Oak.

Trees. Hey, Nat, just listening to your latest episode. Not sure if it's a nap, but my husband once left a club a little bit drunk, and we found him in the graveyard next to the bar asleep on someone's grave there must be loads i mean there was a bloke in a week wasn't there watch the england game fell asleep and woke up at four o'clock the next morning a freezing cold stadium didn't know where he was oh did yeah that was just this week at the england game so i mean that's i think that's an hourly occurrence in in in this country at the weekend yeah there'll be all sorts of people, particularly blokes,

falling asleep all over the place. Did you enjoy the game? Not really. No. No, no, I didn't think it was great at all. The first 20 minutes was alright and apart from that

I thought it was a little bit desperate. Yeah. And they weren't bad, were they, in the second half? No. Serbia? No.

Or we were terrible and I'm not sure, you know, I don't know. I think it was a bit of both. Yeah. I think it was a bit of both, really. I think it was a bit of both, really. We haven't really got, so when this comes out, it'll be Thursday. Our game's at five o'clock that night.

But we've got Denmark and Slovenia, is that right, in our group? I think so, yeah. We haven't had a bad group, have we? We get quite lucky, don't we? Yeah, but I think when you're a seed, so you qualify at the top of your group in qualification and you miss all the big teams it's the whole that's the way it works oh i see so france spain italy they even them out yeah they even it out across the groups and then the next

ones to qualify will be the second seeds and they can go in different so you'd never have a group first stage where it'd be germany germany italy france France for instance so it's just the way that they do it in order to try and they want loads of games at the start to fill it up and then they want

all the so-called big nations if they can get them towards the end to come through to the quarters that's right yeah

oh I see I didn't know that otherwise yeah you could end up with them all right at the beginning and only have one making it out of the group

and you go well that's it done then yeah and then you'd end up with them all right at the beginning and only have one making out of the group. And you go, oh, well, that's it, done then. Yeah, yeah. And then you'd end up with, I don't know, a more Finland sort of final, whatever it might be, you know, potentially. I'm very, very interested though to watch them play a Spain or a Germany or an Italy at the moment.

Do you know what, tournament football, not to be too technical. No, go on. What tournament football is about, it's been, if you look at any tournament in the past and teams that have won it, all it's about is they've got to find the right blend very early on or in the middle of the tournament. It might take a couple of games to do that.

And players you thought were going to play at the start don't. Players you thought never were going to get a look in will get a chance and play well and slot into the system. Yeah. Yeah. And then it's about building momentum. It's not about playing brilliantly.

It's not about being the best. It's not about the best goals. Momentum, slowly building momentum, good team spirit and the right people doing their right jobs. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And you've, you know, I think it, I can't remember when it was there. It might have been 94. I can't remember. But Denmark, I mean, there was a war. Croatia and Serbia were at it. And they got banned.

And they called Denmark off the beach. They was all on the beach, basically, on holiday. And they were the next team that would have qualified apart from one of, I can't remember which one got slung out, but one of our team got slung out because of their aggression or whatever and denmark got called off the beach i think it was 94 and they won the tournament really now denmark were not the best team they did not have the best players they didn't have the best manager they never had the best infrastructure they had none of those things but what they had was a team spirit a bit of excitement behind them

but they found the right blend early on and they built momentum. And that's what tournament football was about. Wow. Oh, I love a bit of tournament football, me. Well, you can't whack it if it's a dodgy summer and you've got nothing else to watch. Yeah, it's true. I can't watch tennis. Oh, I love a bit of tennis.

Really? Oh, I love it. Goodness me, no. No? No. Can't watch it? No, I can't watch it. Oh, I love it. All that grunting and watch it I can't watch it oh I love it

all that grunting and groaning yes fantastic yuck fantastic I'm going going to Wimbledon are you yeah

nabbed a ticket nabbed a ticket kindly been invited so I'm popping up there on my own Mark's there Mark films it we'll get the train

and I'll sit there have a little drink sit on my my own, watch the tennis, be like a little holiday day out. Lovely if you like it. Lovely jubbly. Well, I have to say, that has been a lovely, I feel really relaxed. I thought it was a really nice, relaxing episode. Actually, one that you could put on low and, funnily enough,

Fall asleep to. Have a little kip. Yeah. Well, I do have that put on low, and funnily enough... Fall asleep to. Have a little kip. Yeah. Well, I do have that effect on people, funny. I've been told that before. Brilliant. Well, thank you for joining me tonight. Been a pleasure.

I'm so pleased Tone's been on. Thank you. I hope you enjoy me and my brother's chat. I hope you've enjoyed the episode. Let me know what you think about it all on 07788 201919. Em, it's been a pleasure. Thank you so much.

Thanks, Em. Thank you. Thank you both. Thank you. And we'll see you next Monday. We've got a very, very special episode on Monday coming up. I'm not even going to tell you what it's about. Just make sure you're dressed up and ready to go.

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