Life with Nat - EP245: KATE BUTCH!

Episode Date: July 12, 2026

Hot guest (very literally) drag queen Kate Butch and Nat have a whale of a time chatting performing, quiz shows, and a very unusual shower habit... Enjoy!Find all Kate's shows and joyful silliness here - instagram.com/thekatebutchGet in touch with Nat, buy tickets for upcoming live shows and link to Patreon, all the family's Instagrams, and more: ⁠⁠lifewithnatpod.komi.io⁠⁠ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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I'm very, very good. I feel very excited, very honoured to have you on the pod. I'm honoured to be here. And also, big apologies, and I have to say this, I've dropped a bollock, made a booboo, whatever you want to say. But it was Pride Month, and I didn't have any prudiness about the month. So it's a little bit late, but you're here now. So there we go.

We can have pride all year round. Well, absolutely. We sure can. Did you have a lovely Pride month? It's too hot for Pride, I reckon. We shouldn't have Pride in the summer. It should be in February or something. I think that's a good idea.

Or move it to October? Yeah, yeah. And just a little bit cooler, because we're in multiple pairs of tights. We've got wigs on. I've seen a lot of, you know, beautiful festivals going on, but absolutely roasting, as you say, and you're all done up, looking beautiful,

but I think, Jesus Christ, they must be up. Yes, yes, absolutely. And nowhere has air conditioning or fans or anything. We've got to bring our own. I've got a tiny little fan. I don't know if you can see it, but it's doing nothing, absolutely nothing at all. Nothing at all.

Well, it's just hot air, isn't it? It's like being in a... This was funny. You'll like this. An Italian family member said to my niece, Elia, you know the red brick, the bricks you use to build houses? We use those for pizza ovens only. I thought, yeah.

It feels like I'm in an oven right now. I'm facing a window and I feel like I'm in a greenhouse. Oh, stop it. Maybe I'll bloom into something beautiful. You're already blooming into something beautiful. Now, the reason, one of the reasons that I've got the lovely Kate onto, day, listeners, is because you do rather a funny thing about me, don't you? I do. I'm always concerned every time I'm like, is she going to see this? Is she going to be

offended? Is she going to hate it? Never offended. Absolutely love it. You know I like to take the piss out of myself. I am very happy for that, all from really the Morgana days. Just doing this. Oh, just doing this now. Yeah. I love it. I'm, what I do, if people don't know, is every month. I have a calendar of Sonia and I do a thing called what's Sonia calendar? Clever. Where at first of the month, I flip it and I see what Sonia of the month it is. And it's just, it's a joy to have you in my kitchen looking down on me. I am so honoured. And this month, you've got two because it's a mirror image, isn't it?

It's a double Sonia. Double Sonia. It's gorgeous. It's you in your best for the hot summer months. And you look very summery and you're having a lovely time. I'm a big fan. Isn't it a funny thing? Why do you think, because people ask me this question, so let me ask you,

why do you think Sonia has captured the community? What do you think it is? I think people love an underdog. Yeah. And she's been through a lot. And I think a lot of LGBTQ people, myself included, I played the flute. I knew a lot of trumpeters.

I was in the high peak wind band, which I'm still trying to live down. But I think we love a trumpeting lesbian icon who has been through a lot and has coming out the other side-fancing. Well, she's living it up in Bali at the moment. I mean, who knows what's going down? Good for her. I'd love to live it up in Bali. Thank God she's packed a nice vest. Well, absolutely. She didn't have time to pack.

She was on the back of that speedboat. Quicker than you could say Bianca Jackson, and off they went together. Oh, gosh. It was quite a funny one actually because you had a little tiny baby She'd given birth the week before like you do A couple of weeks before Baby Julia

And I don't think Julia had a passport We glazed over it We glazed over it Smuggling baby Well it's soap and it's all right It's a way to come back isn't it The baby's going to get deported And you're going to have to come back with the baby

Absolutely When baby's about 18 Probably I do have a question Do you want to see Do you want to sneak preview you of August's. Oh, yes, please. Do you want to? Should we do it together? Oh, I would love to. Right, okay. Sorry, my plant behind me, I've got a window open and it seems to be so hot. It's

keeling over. That's how I feel. Exactly. Honestly. The plant is how I feel. It's like you in the rainforest. It's nice. Thank you. It's contrassad. Right, okay, so we've got July. Are you ready to turn over? I'm ready. To August, right. What's on your calendar? August is. Oh, my God. Oh. Is that a slapping of Pauline, I see before me? Incredible.

Nearly got done for murder, didn't I? Yeah. Was it Christmas? It was Christmas. Oh. What's more Christmassy? A red frock. I know.

It's a lot of anger in that. I don't want you to be in that kitchen every morning, making a cup of tea. That's quite an angry picture there. I'm going to the Edinburgh Refringe for all of August. I won't actually see this. Don't worry. Perfect. So tell me, tell me about your life. Tell me, I always love to ask this question of when was it? When did you know who you were and what you wanted to be? Because I had a lovely chat with Danny Beard a little while ago.

Oh, lovely. And, you know, right from the off, he said he just, you know, knew, knew what they wanted, knew that walking around in mum's shoes was just, you know, comfortable. that's made them happy. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. So when was your turning point, you know, when was your point where you thought, I love this? This is what I want to do.

I think for me, it was in, I think year two of primary school and we were having the end of year's show and we were doing a pantomime and they were really struggling to find someone to play the part of the dame and no one was volunteering and it was just very awkward silence

and I'm a bit of a people pleaser so I'm like, I'll take one for the team and I will be the dame. And they were like, are we sure you? Like, we can get one of the girls to do it. It's fine. Like, you don't have to be the Dame. And I was like, no, we'll do, no one wants to be the Dame.

So I will put my hat in the ring and I'll play the Dame. And I remember getting the first couple of laughs in my first scene. And I know it was from the parents who were there because they have to laugh. But still, I was like, this, I quite enjoy this, putting on a wig and being silly. Yeah. I didn't know it could be a job for a long time after that. But I think that might have been when it clicked. Yeah.

That's fantastic, isn't it? I had this little water pistol because I had to come on crying because my house had been destroyed or something. And I had it hidden in my handkerchief. And I remember spraying the audience with it very liberally. And they loved it. And I was like, this is what life is all about. Yeah. Just being silly, making people laugh.

I love it. I love it. I'm the same. I did my Panto launch day on Monday. And it sort of makes it feel real. So I'm playing Wicked Queen. at Dunstable, please come. I'll get you to-year.

I will. I'll be there. From a row. Please come. But meeting everybody, meeting the dame, lovely Will and Olly, who's kind of the Button's character. And it was just such a fun day. And I thought, I cannot wait, actually. It's going to be hard work, but I can't wait for those six weeks of just camp fun.

And I'm not going to be a wicked queen, not a measurable evil queen. I'm going to be very camp queen, you know. Being the villain is the best part, I reckon. I've not got to be a villain yet in my career. but one day. Absolutely. And interestingly, when I was interviewed on Monday about the fact that I was playing a villain,

I was looking up and thinking to myself, I don't think I've ever been a bad day, so I'm really looking forward to it. Yeah. It'd be good fun. Will you be slapping? Will you get to do some slapping? Not sure yet, not read the script.

She's out of training, so. Special skills. I'm a very good slapper. Say. So you are, you've just said, off to the Edinburgh Friends. for the whole of August? The whole of August.

Have you done it before? What's it like? I have. I think this is maybe my sixth or seventh, maybe. Wow. Okay. Various different guises. I started doing university improv when I was about 18.

And I just got the bug. And I thought, I love to stand on cobbles, try to convince people to come to my show, sleeping on a floor with 10 other people. It's the dream. It's what showbiz is all about. out, I think. But this time it's just me, a solo show.

I've done a couple of solo shows before. This one is called A Kate in the Hand is Worth Two in the Butch. Love it. The way that I write a show is I think of the title first and then try and shoehorn the content of the show around it. Absolutely. And that's exactly what I've done here. Brilliant.

It should be a lovely time. It's nice to have a routine because I think in my line of work, I don't often get a regular job or regular gig. Of course. So it's nice to know where I'm going to be every day of the month. Yeah, yeah. And in terms of being on your own on stage, yes.

Does it not, I think about stand-up a lot. I talk about stand-up. I'm obsessed with stand-up and people that stand on their own, really, on the stage. Do you not get nervous? Do you not worry that you're just on your own, you've got no one to fall back on? Because I find that amazing. I do sometimes. The main thing I'm worrying about is that I'm going to fall over in my heels.

But I try and mix it up a bit because I think I'd get bored if I did exactly the same show every single day. And a lot of it is the same. But I like to involve the audience a little bit, just have a chat with them, find out what's going on with them. And that sort of breaks the routine and it's not all on me. I can turn to the audience and maybe take the piss out of them a bit or find out what they had for their dinner, what games they've got on their phone. So I like the attention being mainly on me because I'm a textbook narcissist. Yeah. But occasionally I will.

I'll let other people have a go once or twice. Very good. Yeah. So if I was in the audience now, come and do a bit. Do a bit with me. Oh, the bit that I have in this show is finding out what's your top meal deal? What's your go-to meal deal? Are you a meal-deal connoisseur, please?

That's my main question. You're not bobbing down Tesco for a... I'm going to have to say no. That's fine. That's fine. I'm not a meal deal person, really. That's okay That's okay You've made it

You don't need to be Things aren't going great for me So I'm going down Tesco for a meal deal every day What's yours? Sometimes a sushi If I'm feeling bold Yeah A little bit brave

I think you've got to get the most expensive things In the meal deal That's the game of the meal deal To get it all down to the £380 Where is now So you want a big smoothie Or a big juice Because they're a bit pricey

And then maybe a pot of olives Just to feel a bit fancy Like you're in the Mediterranean in the summertime. Yes, to me, that's not a meal deal. Mildil's sandwich, packet of crisps, can of Coke. Well, it's a different world now, you see. Yeah, it's...

You learn something near every day. A lot of people like egg mayo, which I can't get on board with. I tell you what. I don't mind it, but when the weather's like this... It's not right. No, I'm sorry, it's not okay. You can't be wandering around with an egg mayonnaise sandwich.

I don't want to know you. In this heat, on the... Tube. It's making a weave. I can feel my lash. Can you see my lash already falling off in this heat? I've had it on for about 10 minutes.

No. And it's already. It's dwindling. You look amazing. Honestly beautiful. If I look a bit lazy-eyed, it's not because of me actual eyes. It's just because of the spiders I've glued to my face.

How long does that take you to get ready? You know, how quickly can you do it? I like to give myself about an hour and a half all in. Yeah. Which is quite good. I can do it in about 45 minutes if I, if I have to.

My problem is I really don't like being in drag so I try and get it on as quickly as possible. Really? As I'm so, don't you? That's interesting. Maybe it's just in this heat because of the weather. But I think the makeup isn't my favourite thing. I know there's a lot of drag queens who like doing the makeup is the main bit for them

and they can take four hours. But have you not got anything on in the daytime? Four hours out of your day to do that? Yeah. I'm too busy. I'm doing things. I'm watching little. house on the prairie.

You've got stuff to do, yeah. I am busy. But I could do it in a very short amount of time if I have to. It does look really great, though. It's lovely. Thank you. Because there's a Zoom filter right now. Oh, fine.

If you could see me without the filter. Oh, God, I can feel it. I can feel it running. Maybe I should have a Zoom filter. You don't need one. My lashes come off. I'm sorry. I'm being vulnerable on the podcast.

Listen, do you lash. Should I take them both off? Should I take them both? Or should I put them back on? I don't know if it's going to work. It's up to you. just the tricks of the trade right no it's come off it's come off

shall I just should I be vulnerable and do a reveal of both of them just do it we'll even it out so yeah it's not meant to be oh god she got bald eyelids no she looks lovely honest thank you thank you

how many weeks you got oh huge question they're all scattered around my life I'd say maybe about 10 or 12 that I use in normal rotation and then a couple that maybe I bought special for drag race or something and then I haven't worn since because they're a specific wig for a specific thing. How many years ago did you do drag race? So I've done it twice now because I can't get enough of being critiqued by Rupor.

I love it. It's like heroin. Give it more, give it more. I did it in 2023 the first time. round. Yes. And then I did a series that came out at the start of this year that I filmed last year. So yeah, it's still kind of fresh in my memory. The Traubour is still raw. Yeah. Great thing to do though. Oh, it was a lovely time. It's just a great time. Brilliant, brilliant thing to be a part of. Everybody I know who's done it just absolutely loved it. Have you done it?

I did it in fucking COVID. So I was a great thing. So I was. at home. They need to get me in. Yeah, I was absolutely devastating. That's not right. When I was at home and I did a little zoomy thing like this and with all the, you know, queens. And then I thought, oh, I'll get in the studio soon and not been asked back. Rude.

They need you there. Right. I know Rupall's watching. Rupal. Getting that cast on, please. imminently. I think it, I think it's very rude that I've not been back. It's what you deserve.

Oh, it is. They've had, Blumming, Jade from Littlemix has done it three times. Please don't upset me. I've got nothing against Jade, but I don't want to hear it. She's lovely gal, but three times is too many now. It's a lot, it's a lot. It's greedy. It's getting greedy. When you did it, did you notice a real change in your career from doing it?

Was that a springboard, you know, was it a great platform to be on? Yeah, definitely. So I've done shows at the Edinburgh Fringe and tried to hustle my stand-up stuff going on. Yes. And it would be fine. It would not be a room full of people. But now, like, people are coming to watch me. Yeah.

People have chosen to come and see me because they've seen me on the telly. It's still something that I'm trying to reconcile with in my brain. Yeah. I wouldn't come and see me, but I'm very glad that other people are. I don't know why you are not more, you know, believe in yourself, Kate.

What's going on here? Yeah. I think it's because I'm nor that I'm very humble. Or I'm just very self-deprecating. But that is, it is lovely. though. It's lovely. It is very nice to be humble, but you should also you're very talented, you know,

and extremely funny. Most drag queens are absolute bastards, so I'm trying to be a bit different and branch out and be very self-loathing. And just have that as my own niche. Because there's so many of us now, and there's been, what, 70 drag queens on drag race, you need to stand out of the pack

by hating yourself. Is it quite stressful, the competition? Oh, definitely. Because I'm trying to think, about how I would feel. Because again, I know that I'm an actress or a personality or whatever, but I feel like I'm very fortunate because people have grown up with me and I've been around for so long, over 30 years, whatever. I have my own niche because of that, really,

just because I was on EastEnders for all that time and people know me as Sonia and love me as that. But I never sort of think, oh, I don't know. If I've got social media campaigns, things like that, I never go online and think, oh, what's Vicki Patterson up to? Or, oh, Emma Willis is doing that. I never feel a jealousy towards anybody because I think everybody's in their own lane. Yeah.

Whereas for you, like you said, it's quite specific. And people are trying to do the same thing in a way, although you're all very different. Yeah. Is that stressful? I don't find it super stressful because I think that I do stuff that not many people do. Like, there's not many drag queens that do stand up and write. and I do calendar reveals every month and talk about the mugs that they've got in their cupboard.

I think they can be... For the people that do are very much into like their makeup and they're performing, they do like the club gigs. It can be quite stressful because I think a lot of the drag gigs are dwindling actually at the moment. Yeah, it's just not as lucrative as it used to be. I think it's possibly because of maybe the rise of... certain political parties and people feel in certain ways,

but it'll come back, I'm sure, in a way, it's all cyclical, isn't it? It all goes around on a wheel. But I think I'm quite lucky that for a long time I've tried to make my own opportunities and write my own shows and do something like, maybe I've started writing a book just in case. If everything goes away tomorrow in real-life performance, I could go and finish the book and hopefully that'll be all right. A fiction book or autobiographical? No, fiction. You're doing a fiction? It's a fiction book. It's about

a drag queen from Yorkshire, so it's a little bit autobiographical, but who fights demons. It's a bit like Buffy meets Hetty Wainthrop Investigates meets Drag Race. Well, I think that sounds amazing because you know the dragon stuff goes down well. Yeah, fantasies going on at the moment, isn't it? That and hockey people, isn't it? I've not seen the hockey TV. Is it a heated rivalry? I've not seen it, but I've seen that people are very into it. Each to their own. Because they get their bombs out. Oh, is it?

There won't be any nudity in my book. I don't believe you. I'll write a seed in for you. I'm not one actually. I'm not approved at all in my own home with my own partner. No problem. But in terms of watching staff and reading stuff, I'm not, it doesn't really do it for me. It's not really bothered.

It's not for me. I remember during Locker. down, I moved back in with my parents, and we watched the first season of Bridgeton when it came out. And there's, oh, there's a lot. There's a lot on Bridgeton, a lot of bombs. Well, again, I watched a bit of that. I watched a bit of that and thought, that's not for me. I was with my parents watching it.

It was a living nightmare. Yeah, no, it's the most embarrassing thing, isn't there when sex comes on the telly with mum and dad? Not good. Mine are both dead now, so I don't have that problem, actually. I'm sorry to laugh. No, you have to laugh. You've got to laugh. You have to.

The positives of things. Mine keep coming to my shows where I talk about absolute filthy business. Oh, but that's lovely because they're supporting. That is nice, but I don't need them to hear about what I've been up to with the brother of my childhood bully. That's true. It's my own little revenge on him. Are you in love, single-florting it about?

What are you doing? I'm single, and I'm trying to flaunt it about, but no one's taken. Oh. I'm too hot for a relationship right now I'll do it in November or sometime No that's fine wrap up scarf boots nice heels Poppy Day

That starts the time to absolutely properly clear up Not very sexy is in Poppy Day then Not sure It's a bit somber people are vulnerable They're in a sad mood They need cheering up And what can show you up more than anything Little old me popping round

You've just done your Choose Your Own Cabaret tour. Yes. It was fabulous. It was lovely. Like I was saying about getting bored on the stage, just because it's me. I had a lovely pianist, the lovely pianist with a tea. Jordan Paul Clark is very nice.

And we had a little time on stage. And I got the audience to choose their own cabaret. So I gave them the songs to choose from. We do specific songs for specific venues. Oh, that's fair. People would suggest their favourite songs. Yes. So it was a different show every night.

That's great. Can I ask you something about that? If you don't mind. Please. I've been told you can't really play songs and music without paying for it. Yeah, legally. Fine. But then who's going to know?

Who's going to know? I did, the last show I did was called Wuthering Shites, and it was all about the music of Kate Bush. And I had to pay quite a bit of money. Did you? I was like, you've got money from Stranger Things. Running up that hills just come back in a big way. You don't need my money.

That's true. I'm a struggling artist. Let me have it. But then if your whole show is around that. It was quite a lot of her songs, yeah. Can't get away with it. Yeah, what does she need the money for? She's living in a fairy ring in Wiltshire. She's not doing that.

She's not leaving the house. She doesn't need it. How old she now? I think she must be in a... Oh, I can do the maths on this. I hate my facts about Kate Bush. I think she was 18 in 1978 where the Rehearts came out. Right, okay.

So what she was born 1960, so she's late 60s, I reckon. Fair enough. Fair enough. Still a young chicken. It's good. Yeah. I love her. Bless her. Yeah, amazing. My brother went to see her.

I wish I'd seen her that time then she came back. Yeah. I wish I'd been, but I didn't. He said it was stupendous. I said it was amazing, yeah. Really good. My best fact is that she invented the wireless microphone. Stop it.

You know, the one that everyone calls the Britney mic or the Madonna mic. It's the Kate Bush mic, because she was the first person to sing and dance around while she was doing so on her tour. Really? Yeah. Oh, that's a great fact. I love that. She's an inventor. I don't mind those mics, but I prefer to have a mic in my hand. You'll have to get used to it for your panto.

I know, that's true. Yeah. Maybe they'll do one in the front. Sometimes they do it in your wig. Oh, yeah, maybe. It looks a bit like you've got some kind of blister forming in your hairline. But they're quite good. No, it's very good, very good

Marvelous And think of Kate Bush as you're being a wicked queen Yeah, I don't know who I'm going to channel My outfit's lovely I've got a few changes Which I'm excited about I've got the very very tight The dancers tights

They go on first, don't they And then you put the fish nets on Or it's lovely, it holds you all in, doesn't it? Fantastic And then it's kind of velvet, sparkly There's red black, purple all in there. But it's like a bodice

and that's quite, it zips up at the back and then I've got a big skirt but she's got a big slit down the front and I've got these little boots with sparkles on. It's really,

yeah, I'm looking forward to getting dressed up every day. That'll last about, that'll last about four days. I'll be sick of it. Are you doing the one where you have like three shows a day? We've only got a couple of days

with three shows. The rest are twos. I couldn't do it. Three's hard. Yeah. But you're doing for the schools. The only pantos I've done done adult pantos, so they've only been in the evenings.

Yeah. And I just, I don't think I could manage 10 a.m. 10 a.m. Yeah, there's a couple of those for the schools. I think I'd accidentally call a child something horrible. You've got to do it. I mean, it's very special pantow, I think, because I think it's a child's first peak into live theatre. A lot of the time it's their first experience. So you want to make it the best you can for them.

You know, so they want to come back into theatres. Because, again, another thing is so expensive, isn't it? Theatre. Yeah. So expensive. And it's, you know, the haves and the have-nots, as I like to say. You know, it all needs to be changed. It's ridiculous.

You know, you want to go and see a musical now in the theatre with the kids. It's just with a good seat. So you can see it. You're talking about 600 quid. That's without travel, without a bite to eat. You know, it's a fucking holiday. I used to do when I was a teenager, me and my mum would come down for a week in London, and we'd be able to go and see quite a lot of things.

We'd see maybe like a show a night for a week, and it wasn't too extortionate. No. But now it's wild. It's wild. That's why I'm really pleased. I love the fact that they do kind of the Royal Opera House and the National Theatre. They do the cinema screenings now, don't they? Yes.

Which I think are great, because that's, you know, accessible for people. I know you're not in the room. but at least people are feeling that they're not missing out, they can have a conversation about what's going on. I think they're really good, really good. What's your goal? Have you got any goals at the moment? Things that you'd look at, you're manifesting,

anything that you think, right, that's what I'd like to be doing next year, or I'm always interested in people's thoughts. There's a few. There's a few that I'd like to do. I've tried to keep my fingers in a lot of pies. I don't think they've ever had a drag queen on live at the Apollo. I might be wrong, but I don't think they have. I think you're right.

M? Emma, Emma, Emma, Emma. I bet Emma or no. No, I don't think so, but I can give it a Google, won't we? Have a little look. That's a great shout. Because that would be lovely. Hopefully the right people come to the Edinburgh show, whether they put me in that. That would be nice. I've got a couple of TV things that I've got ideas for and scripts for,

things that I've written. Smoggy Queens is the one drag queen-based city. Yes. And I think there could be more. There could be plenty more. I'd love to do a travel program as well. I'd love to go around like all the gay places at the UK. Oh, me and you?

Me and you. Let's do it. Oh, Amanda and Alan. See you later. Oh. Better look next time. Can you drive? Can you drive? Yes.

I can't drive. So I'm looking for someone who can. So that'll be. I can drive. I'm fine driving. Fabulous. I'll do the playlist. And I can navigate a bit.

Oh, it would be fantastic. I think we should make this happen. I have got, my cogs are turning, but I'll talk to my people, you talk to your people. I've got a couple of people that I can mention it to. But wouldn't that be fantastic? And what, travelling around the UK, going to all of the gay places? I think, yeah, yeah. And see what they've got, go to like the RVT and there's places in Wales.

There's Hebden Bridge. I think we'd have a lovely time in Hebden Bridge. Oh, I've never been. Oh, it's where all the lesbians live. Oh, fantastic. Yeah. Oh, I think we're on to something there. I think more.

Yeah, no one steal this idea, though. We're copyrighting it. I know that's the only thing, yeah. Cut to. It'll be cut to Amanda again and someone else. Probably Tia coffee. She's always taking the things that I want. Oh, yeah.

Teia does a lot. She's a busy lady. She's great, though. She's great. Oh, she's brilliant. We talked about doing Only Connect, me and her. How fucking hard is Only Connect? It's tricky.

It's tricky. It's a great one though. We've both won Mastermind, me and Tia, but I don't think that is in the same league as the difficulty of Only Connect. We've printed out the form, but it was too difficult, we just didn't bother. What was your subject on Mastermind?

On Mastermind, it was the Shrek films. Brilliant. Yeah. I've got every single question, right? That's fantastic. Mine was, when I went on, I did Friends, the sitcom. Yes.

the whole thing. Exactly. I fucked it. That's too much. I was, I wanted to do Tracy Beaker, but they told me that there was too many episodes of Tracy Beaker. Right.

So I had to, I did Shrek that was four films, and that was pretty easy to revise. But yeah, all are friends. I was young and arrogant, and I went on and I failed terribly. It was awful, terrible viewing.

What would you do now if you were doing it now? Specialist subject. Do you know what? I think with my brain I love everything so much there's not one thing I sort of I know everything and nothing

do you know what I mean? Same I've got so many useless facts about Cape Lerge's microphones but you know there'll be something I really get into and I'm like

oh it's amazing and I want to learn all about that and then I'll go on to the next thing and on to the next thing so I don't know why you can't go on and be like I would like to do as a special subject

the life and career of Natalie Cassidy that would be good do your own life Sonia Fowler. I wouldn't know. I wouldn't fucking know. People say things to me now

and I'm like, I don't remember doing that. It is an interesting one because you're there for so long and because you're lying, I don't know if you've ever done this where you've learned anything but yours is more personal

but line learning what I find because my brain is trained brain is a muscle we train the brain I used to learn, learn, chuck it away immediately to learn the next thing

and I think my memory is like that. I haven't got a great memory because I think I chucked things away. It's just used to doing that. You've got to, if you do it every day, you've got to go through it so quickly. To the point where once we've done a scene

and they go, okay, check it. It's clear. And then I walked off the set. And they were like, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, hang on. Come back. No, that's not clear. We've got to do it again. And I had to relearn the scene that quickly.

That quickly. I don't think I could do that. I think I'd, I'm good at learning lines, but I would retain them for too much, and then my brain would be too full of yesterday's lines. I see what you mean. I mean, doing Panto, I'm bricking it, because I haven't been on a stage in a theatre production for a very long time.

I've only ever done one Panto, and that was when Eliza was about two or three. So we're going back 13 years or what have you. So I'm bricking it, but I wanted to do it to just to prove to myself that I can do it. But I am worried about the lines. I think you'll get there. If you're doing it multiple times a day, eventually you'll... And no one else knows a scraped apart from you. No, that's true.

The audience, so no one's going on? No. And it's panto and it's fun. But I should do my best. I'll do my best. You've got to challenge yourself, haven't you? It's important. Absolutely.

Yeah. You get bored otherwise, don't you? What would be your dream role if you were to go into a, like a musical or a play? Oh, Nancy Oliver. Oh, I'd pay good money to see that. Nancy Oliver. I'd be there every night. You've got to have a good voice now, haven't you?

That's the problem. I don't know. It's about the characterisation. I'm re-watching. As long as he needs me. That was great. Thank you. Sold.

We'll do a production. I'll be Oliver, because for a long time as a child, I was trying to be Oliver. And I was a cute, blonde, angelic child. And it never happened for me. I auditioned for multiple things. I auditioned for, do you remember I'd do anything, the Angeloude Weber? Yes. I auditioned for that.

It was too tall. six foot four but they didn't want me I'm rewatching that now and it's an amazing TV show it's the best reality TV ever I need to have a look at that when they get eliminated

the Dorothy one's the best where they get eliminated they have to give him their shoes and get up on the moon and sing over the rainbow as they get pulled up into the rafters I don't know what happened maybe they just get taken around the back and shot but just stay there at the top They're just hanging

Dorothe's. If you go back then now, they're just there. Still there. I chuck up some food for that occasionally. I would recommend a re-watch. It's fabulous. Oh, I will. I'll have a look.

Your television tastes sounds super. We've had Little House on the Prairie, Tracy Beaker. Fantastic. It's all coming out now. Seclactic. I've not watched a modern TV series ever in my life.

You never watch anything? No, I don't really watch. anything as it comes out. I'll watch something from the 80s or the 70s and call it a day. There's something about, I find television very stressful these days. Yeah. The most modern thing that I've really enjoyed is rivals. Have you seen any rivals?

Oh, I did like rival. Yeah. Because it was fan and raunchy. And again, I'm, again, a total hypocrite because that's got a bit of sexy stuff in it. But again, I just feel like it's, it is what it is. It's fun, it's raunchy, it's camp, and I really enjoyed that. But these kind of big dramas with lots of murdering or running around and detectives, it stresses me out. I've never seen a Game of Thrones, I've never seen a wild horses, whatever it's called.

The one thing that I will watch as it comes out is, have you seen The Gilded Age? No. It's basically American Downton. Okay. And it's got Christine Baranski, Moran. from Sex and the City. Right, okay. Loads of Broadway stars

because I love a bit of musical theatre and it's just nice point. Oh, who's got a Tony Award? And there's very little plot in it. It's just then wearing nice gowns and thinking about which fork to use for dinner. Oh, that sounds really good. It's gentle and they just,

and they look lovely. What's that? Is that Netflix? I think it's Sky, HBO, kind of. Oh, is it? Oh, right. The Gilded Age? Yes.

Okay. I'll have a little look at that. 10 out of 10. Fantastic. On the pod, there's some little bits and pieces that come up throughout, the mundane things in life that I'd quite like to ask you, if you don't mind. Please, please. I feel like I'm going to start doing this now with a guest. Ask you some life with net questions.

So the first one I'd like to ask is, are you a late person or an early person? Oh, I think job-wise, I'm supposed to be a late person. Like drag queens are meant to be performing until cracker sparrows in the morning But I'm a morning person So your morning, what I actually meant, I probably didn't tell. Oh, I see. Oh, am I on time. Are you on time?

Oh, I am the only drag queen that's on time. I'm a very punctual person. My dad was in the Air Force, so I've got a bit of military residual. Okay. I just, I'm so scared of being late for things. If I'm anywhere, like even being on time, it's late. There we go.

Warm enough to my own heart. I'm just more, I just feel that, because I'm a bit of a people, please, like I said, I feel like if I'm late for something, people are going to see that I don't respect their time, and then I don't respect them, and then they're going to hate me, and everything's going to fall apart, and something will catch fire. Yeah. So I'm very much an early person.

Good. Very good. Yeah. I find it very rude. I find it so rude. food. Yeah. When people just stroll in 20 minutes late and they don't apologise.

No, if you're running late and let me know. Oh, absolutely. I was late for a book signing. Again, not my fault. So late. To the point where I said to the lady who had organised the day, I did Sunday brunch, right? Channel 4, Sunday brunch live. That's my dream to do Sunday brunch.

Oh, it's lovely. It's a lovely job, that one. Sunday brunch. And then I said, well, what time I was. Are we over at Lakeside? And she said, oh, in 40 minutes. I said, I beg you pardon. Why is that?

How's this? So I was about an hour and 10 minutes late. I felt absolutely sick to my stomach because all these lovely people were waiting for me. What's come out of it, though, is the people that waited and got on at the Lakeside Book Event of all remained friends. Oh, that's lovely. Because of all listeners of the pod and stuff. So that's really nice. Something.

But the thought of. being late. Just honestly, I'm sweating, thinking about it. I really, I really don't like it. So, yeah, now that was my first one because I don't like lateness. On to the next one. Do you like Vianetta? I can't remember the last time I had a Vionetta.

I won't lie to you. But I remember liking it. It surprises me because of your love of old things. I thought you'd have a Vionetta in the freezer. I really should. I'm on ice lollies at the moment. Like a fruit-pastel-lory. A fab, I love a fab.

Oh, do you? I see, I don't like a fab. What is it? Well, yeah, what is it? Is it? I don't like the bubbly bits. I don't... I just want...

Are you an ice cream or are you a lolly? I don't want a cake. I'd like to live in the in-between kind of space. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's an ice lolly and drag. That's what it is. Yeah. I do...

I like a Vionetta. And now I kind of want one. So I'm going to go and find one. Find one. They've remained quite cheap, which is why it came up in conversation. That when the pod first started, they're about a pound. They've gone up a bit, but people still send me a picky to let me know what price. I think 165 the other day in Tesco.

That's good. It's good, isn't it? And it's still quite a big, a big tub? Yes. Well, it's kind of a box, sort of a rectangular sort of shape, you know. But it's very good, very reasonable. Is it walls specifically? Is it?

Yes, I believe so, yeah. We're not going on brand. I don't think so, no. It's like ketchup and baked beans. You've got to have the classics. However, I had some baked beans from Marx's. Marx's beans are great. And the other ones that are actually brilliant, Brantston.

I've heard about Brantston that they're worth a try. Really nice, really good. Do you wash your feet in the shower? Now, the reason I ask you this, Kate, right? is I was honest about it. I'm an honest person, as you know. I'm not going to lie. Most of the year, this has changed this year with this heat,

but most of the year I will stand in the shower and I wash my body but never pick up my feet and wash my feet. Unless they're dirty, unless I've been in the garden or they're muddy, you've been at a festival, something like that. I don't wash the feet. With this heat, I have been washing my feet. It's changed a little.

So I just wondered where you are on that. Be honest. Do you let the water run free? or do you scrub the toes? I'll let the water run free. I'm sorry. But what I've recently got into, a foot mask. Not the things you put on the cover

and it pills all your skin off. Yeah. Yeah. Good those. It's quite exciting. It's something to do with your day, isn't it? Yeah. I sometimes, if I'm having a bath, if I'm treating myself...

Are you having a bath? Sorry. Maybe, maybe. And sometimes when I'm incredibly hungry, over, which is sometimes. Yeah. This is my top tip if anyone's ever hung over. Because my bathroom doesn't have a window, which is the dream, is the ideal scenario for this, is you turn off all the lights.

Yeah. You run the shower and you sit on the floor and just kind of let the shower go out. It's like being in the rainforest. It's wonderful. And honestly, it'll solve a hangover. So while I'm there, like on the floor near my feet, thinking about it. Probably do, give me a rub. I'll probably give me a little rub.

But no, not normally, not consciously. Can I say the picture of that in the dark with no window with a shower on with you sitting on the floor in there, it upsets me a little bit. It doesn't sound, it doesn't sound nice. It's not left to. I'm hung over out my ass. Yeah. It gets the job done, though.

It solves a lot of your problems. Oh, it's bloody brilliant. And no one can see you crying because the shower's on. your face. Self-loathing. That's why I drink. It's a vicious cycle. It all goes round.

When you go to the supermarket, yes. Do you use a bag for life? So, hang on. How can I explain? You get a bag for life, you go into the supermarket. Do you fill up that bag with stuff

before going to the till? That's a good question to check that I've got enough room in my bag. I think I used to do that in COVID when we weren't doing baskets. Yes. I would. And also, because again, struggling artist, I'm not proud of this. And you can't prove it. I would use to go around Little.

Yeah. And I'd put things in my tote bag to be like, oh, I'm just checking that it all fits in the bag. And then when I get to the scanner, the self-scanner, because this is my little revenge. Because I think if they're not paying for someone to be on the till, if they're not spending the money as that, and they maybe they don't deserve to have all of my money for all of the things that I purchased. So sometimes I just would maybe forget to scan every single item. Leave some of them still, make the more expensive items down at the bottom of the bag, leave those in the bag, forget to take those out and scan them. Possibly, allegedly, it's not provable.

But now I am basket because I'm far too famous now. I can't be caught shoplifting. No, you can't. That's true. It would be terrible. That's true. And there's quite a large, it is a bit of a problem. I think the old shoplifting.

the moment. Yeah, but I think Tesco can handle it. If it's like a local independent shop, absolutely not. No. But if it's a big supermarket that's probably not paying enough of its taxes. I'm not, if I see someone, a young mother and maybe the milk, the formula falls into their bag, I'm not saying anything. Fair enough.

No, times are hard. Times are hard. Yeah. Yeah. I hear you. I don't like, what I hate when I go to the shop, and someone has gone to the shop specifically to do their big shop, and they haven't brought a bag for life with them.

They're buying fresh bags. I know, but sometimes you leave them in the boot, and it's really annoying, but you forget. But it's often, it's often sometimes. That's true. That's my future that you're playing with. That's the reason we've got a heat wave is because people are buying fresh bags. I know, it's true. It is true.

There's too many bags knocking about. No, I do. Five P is not enough. No, is it 25p? Some of them are a pound. I've not bought one in ages. No, honestly, he's gone up. Some of them are a pound.

40p. They've gone up. Make it fiver, I reckon. I do. Fucking work it up to 50 quid. Then you won't forget your bag, will you? Just don't do them. Just don't do a bag.

Carry it if you forget. That's your penance. Well, I do that now. I do. If I've forgotten, I'll just put everything in the trolley, and then I wheel that out to the car and put everything in the bag. You don't need to buy the bags if you've got them in the car. Just see what I mean?

That's true. So that's fine. It's absolutely fine. And if you've, like, bobbed in because you've forgotten, you're like, oh, I need to go into the shop quickly. Different. That's fine. But, yeah, I've always got a tote bag on me because I'm gay. Yeah, of course.

It's part of the uniform. Yeah, yeah, of course. What's your favourite tote bag? Have you got one that you love? Oh, there's one that. Actually, they gave us one on Drag Race, which was a really, like a massive one. Oh, I love that. Toad bag.

Nice. And that's great. If I'm going, like, around TK. Max or something. Perfect. Big bag, beautiful time. Shoplifting again? TK.K. Max? Oh, no, I couldn't shoplifting from TK. Mac.

Sorry. I respect them too much. That's good. When you said I need a big bag for the, I thought, oh gosh. It's all coming out now. I can't run as fast as I used to. Especially not in those heels. No.

Oh, well, it's been so lovely having a chat. I hope you've enjoyed it. Thank you. I'm so sorry I've sweated my lashes off about five minutes into speaking. No, that's a bit. I don't think I'm incredibly unprofessional. I think it's appalling that the lashes haven't been on. note it and I'll never talk to you again.

Thank you so much. That's a pleasure. Don't tell Rupol. No, for God's sake. Can you imagine? What's going to do? Make me lose again? That's true.

Who cares? Before we go, I'm going to put all of your info in a link underneath this episode so people know where to find you. Thank you. But off to do a Kate in the hand is worth two in the butch in Edinburgh. Yes. And then you've also got London show in November, the 6th of the 6th of the 3rd. November, Bloomsbury Theatre

One Night Only? Yes. I'm singing some songs, got a band, recording an album. Can I come? Oh, front row, darling. If I'm not busy, I'll be there. Absolutely. Fantastic. It'd be great to meet you properly and have a drink and see each other and have a laugh. Fab. Thank you, my darling. Thank you.

Absolute pleasure. Thank you so much for coming on. Get the makeup off. Go and sit in the shower and we'll speak soon. Thank you. Lots of love. Bye. Bye.