Life with Nat - EP262: Linny & Roro - Family bonds

Episode Date: September 9, 2026

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Mama, I love you. You're my friend. Do you remember we did that? That was Mama's day. Loving me and loving me. It's quite good actually. We've got that. We could put that on Patreon.

We should have to put that up now. That's a good idea. You used to be my only enemy and never let me be free. Oh, yeah. Catch me in places that I knew I shouldn't be. Oh, okay. And every other day she crossed the line. She didn't mean sweet silver.

Oh, my friend. You would become the friend I near the head. That is very true. The words are very true. We used to go into mum's room with a tray, flowers in it. Breakfast in bed and I can't remember what it was, playing that in the background, didn't we?

That's lovely. And I bet you thought, don't spill the tray. Don't spill the tray. Why am I, I carpet? I hope everybody's very good listening today. We've mixed it up today. We have Rowe and Aunt Tiling it together. Oh, I said that worked today.

I said we're doing a mash-up tonight. They went, oh, what? That's what Natalie said. Is that wrong? It's right, isn't it? Yeah, just weird. Mashing it up. That reminds me of something.

Mashed it out. Oh, did lies he used to say. I don't know. No, James used to say mash. Oh, is that what it is? I think so. Why, for what? I can't remember.

Yeah, we are bringing the different pods together. That's very good. We basically got a gap. Yeah, they've got a gap and they've loaded me in. No, it's nice. No, it's lovely. We have been talking about. Yeah, we've been itching to do this brisome, haven't we?

Very good. Well, Jesus. Calm down. I mean, and this is why I do my own pod with my sister-in-law. Are you going to, this is going to be a different pace, mother. Are you strapped in? You ready? Oh, don't you worry, dear.

I'm well and truly strapped in. Don't you be worried? It'll be good practice for the lives, to be fair. Yeah, that's a bit daunting, because I feel like it's been a year. When was the last one? This year? Yes. Early Parkford, no?

Was that the last one? Yeah, yeah, May, to be fair. May, bank holiday. Yeah, it seems like ages ago. Yeah, it's been a while. Yeah. It feels like, gosh, the first one's going to be. be a bit daunting and yet that's the one that's local and everyone we know is coming to.

No, it'll be fine. I say, don't worry about it. They're all the same. Just got to go out and chat. People just want to hear us, which is lovely. So I put a message out today because obviously mum and daughter sitting here. I thought we could do one about mum and daughters. We haven't got to sit and talk about my dead mum. Because that's, you know, by the by, isn't it? Yeah, we can't do that again. Talk about your mum?

Yeah. Both of you, always talking about them. I mean, I would like to talk about me. So when I die, you won't talk about me. Yeah, of course. Well, keep the memory alive. No, you do, it's true, but we never met your mum. Oh, I'm so sorry.

I'm not. I mean, again, very inconsiderate of her to pass at the age of 48, 49, bless her heart. No, shame. But that's why it's good to talk about people, as it is. Keep them in everyone's memory. It's lovely. It is lovely. I'm in a grief pod.

Bring it out on it. You wanted to do your grief pod. No, I would love to, but not today. We can. We can touch on grief. What is mad, though? What's mad? I know it's life, isn't it?

It just happens. Obviously, didn't meet my nan, like your mum. But I've met two of my great nans. That's mad. Two of your great nans. Yeah. Nanny doll and nanny Liz.

Yes. Yeah. That's mad, isn't it? Yeah. Oh, yeah. No one on your side, no. No, no, no. No, no, no, your granddad. Did she remember me, Nanny Dole?

Of course I did. I always used to go to her flat. Yeah, Nanny Dole died. Oh, yeah, I was eight when she died. So you would have been five? Yeah. Yeah. I love Nanny Dole's flat.

Yeah, I remember. I loved it. I remember having a boxing day up there. Oh, really? Yeah, we all went. I should remember it being lots of print. No, that just, I don't know. Yeah.

I remember being a bit busy, but it was a flat, I guess. Yes. And a nunny's flat, so they are like that. Yeah. She always had her knitting. Yeah. She always had a little whisking, ginger ale. I've got her, what do you call it?

Where you get all your cottons and needles and... A bag? No, it's like a massive, it's big, big basket. Oh, I know what you mean. Your mum gave it to me, which was nanny, yeah. She said, yeah, with all her, and a dish of hers. Oh. So I've still got all her needs.

her cotton threads, her patterns, her, yeah. What, Nan gave that to you? Yeah. What did she think you were going to do it? Your mum can sew. I can sew. When do you sew? When I have to sew your stuff?

Yeah, and about when you did the, what did you do? I don't know. Put some bows on something, Christmas time. Yeah, all the stockings. No. The 15 stockings that you had. No. No, it was the christening.

booties I had to stitch the letter R the letter A who did a cracking jaw thank you there you go excellent

so anyway lovely things yeah I've got that that's lovely but yeah ironically you got to meet great grandparents but you didn't get to meet

grandparents which is mad because I never met a granddad no and then I had nans for a little while but not long funny isn't it

it's funny it's hilarious no it just is what it is. I always say that about the girls. We've said it before. I don't know. I know. Yeah. I know. Yeah. I've got loads of women in their lives, haven't they? You get gained different things in life, things you haven't got. You get other stuff. Right. Let's have a listen to this.

It's funny how you say today about mothers and daughters. Today is my daughter's eighth birthday. My last born of five, J.C. Joe. She's eight today. and also first day of school, first day of year three, very happy for her. But yes, I have two daughters. They're very different. One's 21 and one is eight.

And it gets harder as they get older, not easier. I can't just stay little babies. But, yeah, and I have a sister, and I have a, obviously of a mother. And we're really, really close. And I hope that my kids are like with me when I'm older, because I love one in the bits. Oh, that's a lovely. message. Happy birthday.

Yeah, happy birthday. It's lovely to hear when people say, you know, not everyone has that sort of relationship with the parents. Absolutely. Yeah, I was thinking about this earlier. My people say I love my mum. She was my, oh, I love my nan, that relationship.

I loved my nan. And so, oh, you think, oh, that's so special. Yeah, really is. It's so special. 21 and 8, though. Yeah, that's a gap. I mean, it's not a major. I mean, there's 18 years between me and David.

But it's still quite a large gap. Obviously, she's had five, so there's probably a few boys in between. Absolutely, yeah, of course there is. But to be doing eight and then having a 21 as well, it's, gosh, must be quite draining. I mean, girls that they say, well, she say Ruby's five, and I'm, you know, having to have conversations about what she's wearing. No, that's. She's a bit of an anomaly, our Roobes.

Is she, though? Yes. Do you think? Do you not think there's other five-year-old? I'm not saying there isn't. But my children were not like that at five. Not even Eliza. No.

There are five. They watch a tell. Joni or not. Joni's not like it now and she's 10. That's what I'm, yeah. She's amazing, funny. Ruby looks you up and down. When you walk in, she does a whole looks you up and down.

She does. Check out what you're wearing. She just sort of looks. She's the side-eye. What are you looking at? And she's sort of like, she's sort of judging your top. Well, it was funny, because a couple of my best friends who were sending each other all the school photos today, weren't we?

One of them, her third, was wearing joggers. She said she will not wear a dress. She wants to wear a dress. She wants to wear a dress. She wants to wear joggers. You're loud? Well, yeah, obviously. And then...

Who's that? Doesn't matter. Okay. And then my other friend was like, what it took to get my one in a dress. And I said, well, I have it the other way around. All she does is want to wear dresses. So we have fights.

It's like, you put on a nice pair of a shoot. You're going to a soft play. She put on some shorts or something. It's just, they're funny, aren't they? How they, why just, at that age? At that age. Well, they just like what they like. I did have the clothes thing a bit with Eliza, fussy.

And even now, me and Joni went out yesterday, before going back to school, when we went to Bishop Storkford, we went to H&M. What Marx is, she just hasn't got any autumnal bits. No clothes at all, if I'm honest that fit. But little tops that are nice. and she'll put her hand up the t-shirt and rub the design. You know, if there's a motif, she'll rub it.

She'll go, no, don't want it where it's going to scratch her. She's going to aggravate her. She wants soft things. I said, but some things look pretty. That's a comfort thing, yeah. Yeah. Whereas Ruby's like, no, that's ugly. Yeah, it's more fashion thing, isn't it?

It's so rude. But at her age, she so understands fashion. I wonder where she gets it from. Yeah, I wonder. Auntie Nat, Nat, maybe. But, um, but, um. Probably non-na actually.

Yeah, as I say to her, who's the most fashion in the family? She's non-na. I'm like, oh, perfect. I love that. But no, like, we've always been really close, haven't we? Yeah. Obviously, you go through a stage where... Don't really remember that stage?

You're not. But no, you always, I think it's natural. You always go through a stage where you've got your friends, you tell them, you don't tell your mum as much. Oh, yeah, that's, of course. I always think we've had quite an honest relationship. And I do think there are some things you don't tell your parents. It is for your friend or for your friend, or for... I don't know, an auntie that you might be close to.

Do you know what I mean? Yes, yes. But, yeah, no, I think our bond, we're so alike in so many ways. We think alike, it's quite frightening. We say the same things at the same time a lot. And it's not like we see each other every day and talk to each other. Yeah, like sometimes me and mum will have a, or we'll be talking to someone and they'll go, your mum said that.

And I think they think that we've spoken about it. And then we're just repeating what each other says. And I'm not, I haven't even spoken to mum. and we will say that our opinions are very aligned the way we see things very much so but frighteningly so

and obviously I've got you I've got Elia and you all my best friends I've got Annalisa I've got my best friends but I still don't know I feel like I could tell you anything and if you really need and if you needed genuine advice honest advice

but I know that Yeah. And even if Maria says, well, no, that's ridiculous like she does. Yeah, yeah. No, that's your daughter. I just wouldn't do that. Then following days, she'll be doing it. Yeah.

Because ultimately, your mum's only going to ever say the right thing by you. I know, but not all moms. Not all moms do. We are only human beings. It doesn't mean you can have a child and your bond is strong. Some people just don't get on. Yeah, or your opinions or they're very different. We are just very alike, which again, sometimes that,

could actually, you could clash. I don't get me wrong. We do sometimes have a bit of a snap at each other. But I think it's very rarely. But sometimes I think it's because we're so alive. You're so alive. Yeah. Or like if mum says to me that.

Or just because you're crazy and hormonal. Maybe it's that. It's not what I mean. It's true though. It's true. Like when you write things. No, when you write things. Not when you write things.

Mom's so blunt. So, everybody. It's the end of the party. It's only 13 minutes today. I hope you've enjoyed yourself before we get the boxing gloves on. No, mum's quite blunt. No, she doesn't love kisses and stuff on Texas. Am I?

So sometimes that can come across. No, but if I am, it's because I'm at work and I'm super busy. Who's blunt? No. Who's blunt? Is this being recorded? Who's blunt? No, no, what I mean is by that.

I know what mood Marie is in by her text. Yeah, no, I know. Not always. Sometimes I'm busy. Maybe. Oh, yeah, that's true. What I just said. Well, I'm like you then, aren't I?

Yeah, exactly the same. Like Elliot today has messaged me. And that's because I am very, I'm very one of those people that I answer straight away the message. You don't make free days to hear back from me. You know, always comment. I check in on the girls every day. So she's sent this video of the baby in the pool.

Was it last night this morning? I can't remember. And then I've seen it and just glanced over it and probably put a love heart or something, but that was it because I'm rushing to get to work and I've got all sorts going. And then today I got a message from a private message, not in a group chat, saying, Mum, did you see the video?

You didn't say, you didn't comment. And I've got to watch the whole video because obviously I've missed something on this video. I won't share with you what was in the video. And yeah, so again, it's lovely because it matters. Of course it does. It matters. And yeah, just for me, I've said this many a time. I don't know if it stems from losing my mum at the age I did.

but there is nothing I wouldn't do for the all three of them all of you but yeah the girls but I did have this illusion when I carried Maria I always remember thinking oh my God

if I have a little girl we're going to be able to go shopping together it's just going to be so amazing because I never got to do that with my mum yeah of course fucking can't drag her anywhere with me that's really untrue it's true because you don't shop

you don't like shop you do it online and you're so indecisive no but that's what I'm saying so all this you're saying that oh my good Goodness me.

But again, when we go shopping, we are similar. Yeah, I'm not. Right. So, like, us going shopping with you and area. Yeah, no. You can't do it. You've got to take Joni with you. Right.

Oh, no. Yesterday. So who's she like? You two. Standing there. Looking at it, deliberating. Should I get the pink? Should I get the blue?

She fucking get a jumper. And I'm just going to say, and do you know why that is? Because Joni's like us when it comes to money. Yes. Yeah. That's true. No, she is.

She cares about that way. She cares. She cares. But also, she does, no, she cares. And it's mine. She's saying, no, what one shall I get? Because I don't want you to spend too much. She'll say that.

But it is mad. I was buying a parasol for the garden, which I'm glad I bought, and it's never fucking gone out. I only got it the other day. But you can keep that now. No, I know. I know. But I text on, I'm like, it's funny.

It is mad. I don't even realize I'm doing it sometimes. I love that. No, I know. It's great. We're very, very lucky. I hope I've got that with Ruby. Yeah.

I know your kids are your kids, but I'm always like, we're best friends. Do you tell her? Yeah, we'll be best friends forever. Oh, because I know she's going to grow up, have her friends and do her thing, but I always want her to be able to tell me anything. Yes. Come to me. She won't tell you everything.

No, it would be normal. But I wanted to know that if she wanted to, she could. And also, if she needs help or, you know. It's good. I never had that. No. I never had it that. I couldn't tell my mom anything.

It was different. was different, wasn't it? Well, they were different. Yeah. They did not know anything really about my life from the age of 14. But times are so different now, aren't they as well? And I think relationships, I don't know. I think there's a lot of people now that if you're close to your mum, it's...

Me and Eliza are very, very close. And I'd say now more than ever, again, they shouldn't tell you everything. They've got friends, a lot of friends. But if she's, you know, if there's certain things... If she hit the fan, she knows she can come to me. Technical expression that is people And I always use you as an example or Sharon as an example

and say there is no judgment. Not on when it's important stuff. Yes, I can have a go at you about homework and making your bed. But as you say, when the shit hits the fan. There's still got to be boundaries at the end of the day if the shit hit the fan and she comes to you

and you don't agree with it, doesn't mean you're not going to reprimand her. Absolutely. There's never any judgment. It's your kid at the end of the day. You get through anything. It's unconstitutional. traditional cow.

Last night, she would not go to bed. She was driving me insane. She was doing fake crying. Then, like laughing at me, I thought, oh, my God, I'm actually going to throw you out of the window. And then, you know, it was quarter past 10. And every time she fell asleep, I walked up, then I heard, me, I was like, oh, and then you're laying there like, calm.

He says, lovely, you're not going to get to do this one day. And then she fell asleep, and I looked at it, and I was like, oh, you're so beautiful. Yeah. This morning, it was fine, but I could have. Yeah. Tony didn't go off well last night. They were excited. They were excited.

If it was Christmas, they were so excited. Well, it's good they were excited and not like anxious. No, it's good. There was quite a few, I've never seen it before, quite a few children upset and really? Yeah, it's hard. It's sort of the neighbours taking photographs and the children outside in their uniform.

Yeah. Must have milestones, isn't it? It is. Yeah, it really is. It really feels like a new year as well. I feel like September. should be the new year. We've said this before, haven't we?

Well, I think I've always said April because of spring. All right. September. Because the weather change. Just a new year. Start in school year. Yeah. It's funny, isn't it?

And again, it's mad, isn't it? Because my kids have literally just turned, Alfi's just turned seven. They're young. And that little girl's just started year three, like Alfie, but she's eight. Yes, well, you've got young ones, haven't you? Yeah. Young ones in eight.

So, like, a lot of his friends are turning eight in the next couple of months. I can't believe it. Joan, his friends will be 11. Yeah. And she's not going to be 11 at school at all. She's August, didn't she? She's a youngest. She's a youngest.

Yeah, she is, yeah. Money old game. Yeah. Yeah. But I do love having girls. Yeah. I never wanted girls. No.

Was not bothered at all. But now I'm so glad. Seeing as a mum, I just think. And I was just a bit scared, mum. Was she? Which I think is, there's reasons I can see why I'm scared. Girls are hard. They're hard.

I used to have a cousin who had two sons and she used to always say, she was quite strict. She used to say I wasn't blessed with daughters for that reason because I think I would have been the mother from hell because I would have been so strict because she was strict enough with the boys. So imagine a girl and then seeing other girls or maybe even what I was like wanting to go out. She was a bit older than me and she tried to be a bit of a mother figure and she just couldn't go out with it. The fact that, you know, we wanted a life and go out and boyfriends and, you know, just do have a drink, do just normal stuff. She was like, oh, God, no, thank God I haven't got a girl. But now I actually see it the other way. I am more fearful of Alfie having a girlfriend, taking them away.

You, like that. Well, you've got boys, yeah. Again, you've been very lucky with Dominic. It's around the corner. You met someone we know. That you get on with that you know. She's like definitely another daughter with that shadow of down. I think I speak to Anne Lisa more than I speak to these too.

But, yeah, we got very lucky. But it is the, you know, that is a usual natural thing that, you know, look at Tony and David. Not saying they didn't see, mum, but you. Yeah, because you gravitate to your wife's. And for me, that's, you know, look at Mark. You met me and moved his whole life to me. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't feel women do that for men. Maybe they do it. Again, I'm sure they will. conversation the other day. I'm sure they do, but I do think it's... I think the majority. Well, I think if you've got a family... If you've got a family network, you won't leave them.

And how hard must that be for mums and their sons? Hard. Yeah. There's a little cottage at the end of my road. Alfie's noticed the other day it's called Fox Cottage. See, obviously, he loves foxes. He's got his little fox comfort. And he says, Mommy, I want to buy that one day.

So I can be around the corner. I said, perfect. I'll buy it for you. But I think he's, I think Alfie is going to be that little sensitive soul. I think he will be. I hope so. Well, yeah, I mean, if you look at his dad's traits and they're all like that. Yeah, they're very attentive of their mom and they care.

Yeah, and I just think Alfie will be that person. You can just see it in you. But also, we all, again, I do the same. I think, oh, there's a cottage up there. I can buy that. Joni could be there. Again, it's quite selfish because if, you're, If they would get to get a fantastic opportunity.

You just don't know, do you? You do have to come around to that idea. I'm even coming, you know, if Eliza were to get a job opportunity and go to America or for six months, how can you be annoyed? Go travelling. Well, whatever, you've just got to go. Mom was buzzing when I did that. Yeah.

I mean, anyone would have thought that I'd, like, told I've murdered someone. Yeah, but I think it was because I didn't really know the girl she went with either. She wasn't like, it wasn't like it was Rosanna or Carley. Just girls had grown up with us. You were fuming, weren't you? I just was like a bit, yeah. And staying in touch wasn't like it is now. No.

I mean, obviously, the girls were, her friends were brilliant because they put me on Facebook. And they said, you'll be able to follow her journey with her, which was actually a lifesaver. But you say that, I was pretty devastated when you come back at Montpelier. I was like, surprise! They just all looked at me and like, we were like, oh, God she did it. And Lisa and Don were like, for fuck sake, we were using our room. Oh. And also I do think this whole boy, girl, I think it is just like you say, relationships, isn't it?

Yeah. personalities, relationships, the way you do it, because there are, yeah, like I know a few people that are like they clash with their mum a lot. Well, I've got a message here that I want to send. She'd like to keep it anonymous, so here we go. Spicy. Not particularly, it's just a nice message. Hey, ladies, I know you hear it all the time, but thank you for all the time you take out of your hectic lives, especially Auntie Linney. What's that mean? We're all busy. Oh, thanks. Not off my feet here.

Oh, yeah. What have you done today? All the washing again. It's so boring. Loads of it. Especially Auntie Linney, to give us these podcasts, they really do make a real difference. But on the topic of mums, I have a question.

Just for some background, I'm 27, and my mum had me when she was 17. We've always had such a strong bond, and I genuinely love the relationship we have. However, in recent years, I've started to realise that our relationship is more like a friendship in some ways. I wouldn't want to change how close we are, but I'm also beginning to realise that in certain respects,

I've become more of the mum, financially, emotionally, and even when it comes to making decisions. Something she said recently has really stuck with me. She said something along the lines of, I see you as my friend now, I don't feel responsible anymore. It really made me think about our relationship, and how it's changed over the years. I guess my question is,

am I a bad daughter for feeling like I've missed out on certain aspects of being a daughter because I had such a young mum? I love her and I'm so grateful for the relationship we have. So I feel guilty even admitting that I sometimes feel like I've had to take on a role that perhaps wasn't mine to have. No, you shouldn't.

You're not a bad daughter for feeling like that. Absolutely not. No. See, again, I'm a bit old school here. And again, I'm generalising because people's circumstances are different. People find themselves in situations where they've had children. And later on in life, life hasn't gone as it should have.

And financially they're in dire straits or not where they thought they would be. And then they rely on their children to financially support them, whether that's financially, physically, mentally, emotionally. I'm a bit old school. I'm a bit. I chose to have children and I will take care of them. I don't know, but some people just can't, they can't physically do it, mentally do it. I'm not criticising.

This isn't a criticism, honestly, but for me, I don't want to be a burden to you. I mean, I know there might come a day. But if I won one like the euro millions, it'd be proper sorted. You imagine. Loads of famous people do, don't they? You hear it. They become famous, like singers, they get loads of money. They buy their parents' houses or their mum house.

But I wouldn't expect, I wouldn't. No, of course you wouldn't. I expect you to say, mum, I'll pay for your TV licence. No, but some kids who feel like I'll top up your heating bill. No, but some kids feel like they've looked after me in my whole life. Like I said in my speech, make sure you stick me in a five-star care home because I've looked after you for 40 years. But I think you, I know what you're saying.

I don't agree. I know what you're saying. But people have. I know. I remember your mum and dad for Nanny Dahl. They would help her with bills and stuff. Yeah. She was an elderly lady on her own, lost her husband.

I totally get that. It's not even just the financial side of things, which must be hard, but even, and obviously the age gap isn't big at all, but you still want your mum to be your mum. I think you still... Absolutely. I'd always...

You're not best... Of course you're best friends, but you're not just friends. It's your mum. You should feel like that vulnerability and be able to... Yeah, you shouldn't feel completely you're then responsible for them.

That must be hard. Yeah, really much. What I would say to this person is you're so lucky to have a young mum. Yeah. And again, a completely different way of looking at it. But interesting, because she is a young mum, it's interesting how her mum now has sort of become her child.

I wonder why that's happened. Maybe she's on her own, doesn't have a partner. So she feels she needs that support and she's leaning on her daughter for that support. But she still had her for a long time. That's what I think of straight away. It's great. We've been cheated of that relationship.

We've been cheated of not having experiencing things with our parents, but my mum's that we should have experienced. But also I'm 40. Yes. Are you? Wow. No, but I'm... Fucking out.

I mean, how did that slip through there? No, but I mean, as a 40-year-old woman who has her own home and two children, I still feel looked after. Yes. Do you what I mean? And I, at 40, doesn't. No, of course not. I was the mum of the family.

My own children, my brothers, my dad, everything. I don't ever feel really looked after. No, you've always said that. But, I mean, in the sense that if, yeah, something, if I did need some money, I know mum and dad would help me out. You did need the ironing. Yeah, if I did need some ironing, mom would come in. Yeah, when she says, I'm just going to go around and just have a cleaner, I think, oh, that's excellent.

Yeah, see, because you've never had it. No. And I've never had that. I can't imagine, I can't imagine my mum's coming home from work. Do you know when I experienced it, when your mum and dad lived with us for a little while in between one of them moves? Yeah. And I remember coming home and the house wasn't done as it is now. It was when we first.

And I remember coming home and obviously your mum felt she was a proud woman, wasn't she? She loved her own home. And she must have felt mortified that she was living with us and so on and so forth. And I know that it was an issue because it wasn't. and I remember coming home and all the ironing was all pulled up on my bed, all done. That's the first time I... What sight?

Yeah, that was the first time I felt, oh, this is really nice. So I've never had it. No. So, yeah, you're... I don't do it much anymore, though, do you? I would imagine, I would love to know. I would love to know this, though. 07-8-191919, as saying that,

I reckon there are people screaming, listening, thinking how an earth can a 40-year-old woman still get that ironing done? No, I don't. No, but your mum will come around and help. You don't ask for it.

But you don't ask for it. Your mum just does stuff. If mum takes the kids back to mine on a Thursday, that's what I mean. And there's the mining, she will probably try and do it. Cool. Or, no, or sometimes, this is more of a thing, I think, now. Which I don't expect you to do it.

Sometimes I'm like, oh, leave it there. Yeah. Hopefully it gets done. But sometimes I'll open a draw. and I'm like, fucking hell, she's just re-aract, she's just done the whole draw. So good. She did that to my underneath sink. So good, so good.

All cleaned out, Jay Cloths in. No, but you say that, that. But I tell you now, who was it the other day that said to me? I'm not saying everyone, but there are still some kids. Yes. Or like the guy, he'll live with his girlfriend. Someone told me this the other day. They take all their washing, round to their mums.

Don't be up their mums. He's one washes and irons it. That does not surprise me. That happens. But does the mum work? Does the mum get paid for it? I don't know, mum. But it might be a little job.

Might be the mum says, no, but I'm saying, I bet there is more than we think where kids will send their ironing home or... Yeah. I bet. I mean, I'd do it.

You don't iron in now. I've done a bit of ironing today, actually. That ironing that Mark didn't do? We did a pod last night and all he did was talk about how he does all the washing and ironing. I mean, the bloats fucking iron sick shirts. And suddenly he's, what's her fucking face? Mrs Hinch.

What's her fucking face? I thought he was going to say that in the laundrette, that the road, dot com. They're funny men, they do something, and then it's just like... So fun. We can't go on to men. No, we can't do that. We'll do that on the next party and subjects. They just don't think like us, do they?

No. Those my brains. Different animals. That's why women should live with women. No, I don't feel I could live with another woman. Used to, in the commune, in the communes, 70s, women and children all together, all mates together. Do you not think you could live with another woman? Could you not live with me?

You'd have a clean house, that's for sure. Mom, all right, so would you, babes? I come from scrubbers. Could you not live with a woman? It depends who it is, ma'am. Just think we know, we'd get each other, don't we, women? Yeah, but it depends. It depends.

It depends. It depends on everyone's like a clean freak. like you. I don't mean just about cleanliness. I'm not there for me if you like. Can you imagine? You know, no football on the telly. I enjoy a bit of football these days.

I don't mind your bit of football, but the golf, the football, Elbyssey. Love LBC. It's on all day. Toilets, not flush. Basically, you moving in with me, it's a bit like just living in life with Dave, without a penis. Oh, God, really?

I do sometimes wonder. Just before we continue with some messages, I went for my first walk to date for nine weeks or whatever it's been. And I went out, it was drizzling. If I don't go now, I'm not going to go. It did a lovely hour. Did a little bit of jogging, which was awful. A few minutes here and there.

But I felt so good after. I know it's boring, and we know that. Came home, I did my kettlebells. Well done. Did some squats. Did some arms. Blind, and had my shower.

Absolutely, Bob's your uncle, Fennie's wrong. That'll be it for the next year. And I'm done now until about May. So, I'm not working. I really can't get myself to bring myself to do it.

I feel on top of the water and I'm on that. On top. It does make you feel good. Yeah. I've known to drink since Sunday. So, Monday. Since Monday.

No, Sunday. Sunday. Sunday. Sunday. Sunday. Oh, good. I mean, it's only Wednesday. Yeah.

No, but it's good for me. No, we know. It's very good. Even not having, I just thought, no, I just don't want, I want my energy up. Yeah. And when we say we're tired, it is that. Oh, no. It is having a few drinks of an evening that makes you feel groggy in the morning.

Well, I was listening to a pod and I can't really remember. You just get used to being hung over. Yeah. On this pod, they were saying about one glass, it knocks like 20%. I can't remember what it was. And then you literally, your sleep is just, even though you're, sleep is just shit sleep. Is it?

Even with one drink? Yeah. Well, it's worse than obviously not. But it helps you go to sleep, doesn't it? Yeah, but it's, yeah, even though you feel like sometimes you've passed out, you're not actually having a good sleep. Yeah, what was it called that? REM sleep.

Listen, we're not Stephen Bartler, we're not. I'm not saying. She's having a popper everyone tonight. No, I'm just saying people with my mom's sleep and they wake up and how many sleeps and I just think live your life, I think it's a lot. Yeah. A lot. I've got a fucking thing here and I've got my gluten and my dairy and what's going in

and what's in my veins and I'm not sure what's going on there. And then the alcohol unit and what I've done and how many steps and what I'm doing and my metabolic rate. And how many, fucking hell, just get up and... You've been on the run today. Just everything in moderation. It's a lot. And for people who take that shit in, they must feel absolutely wise. Exactly.

But it is. It's relentless. And you look at one post on social media and it's like, Eat this, eat that, eat this. And the next one is saying, don't eat that, don't eat that. Yeah, what the what the what is going on you? This is good for you, that's not good for you. Yeah.

Yeah, it's so good. Isn't it? I'm taking mushroom gummies. That's what I've started doing. How did you feel on them? Mom, it's fucking three days. What are you doing? I didn't sleep last night.

Don't have it at night. I don't have it in the morning when I've forgotten today. Because I started taking mine at night thinking they'd help me sleep. Where's this come from? The old mushroom gummies. Gemma at work. Oh, Gemma started it. Popping it on my.

Just every time. And I've been talking as well. Fuck it, I'm doing it. But I don't know if they're any good. Are they any good? No, I'm just saying all these things. Who knows? My problem is consistency.

Yeah, exactly. I will buy some really expensive vitamins and it's three months worth and they say you've got, you know, you've got to do a good three months. Yeah. Four days. They're still in the cupboard.

I forget, I forget. I need that pill box off of you and that's not a joke. No, that don't work either. I've tried that. it. Mine's in the cupboard with all the pills in it. You've just got to have them somewhere.

I don't want them out by the kettle though. No, no. But then that's the only way you're going to take it. Or bedside cabinet? Yeah, that's what I have mine. And in my drawer at work. Yeah, that's a good idea. Bedside cabinet then.

Have you got one of those? Because I know you got rid of your telly in your room. I have. No, I've still got the 25-year-old cabinets. So I can pop one on there. Slowly but surely and all that You and Eliza should go running together

It's a bit of bonded A bit of time you can spend together When is that ever going to She really would like to do that With me And I said this morning No I said this morning Because she goes back tomorrow

Oh she's not back at school yet No Would you like to come with me? Not sitting in the pits I said there you go But you know what Last day Yeah

It's long old days now, it's hard work She's got her mocks coming up It's going to be hard So yeah She's ordered a pizza and stopped all day And that's fine by me It's fine by me At that age

Exercise But they want to No I know it is different When I look back I mean I know I was slight But Yeah but it's not about that It's for you

But now again I know I wish I did I wish it was something I got into So now it isn't a tool It's just a thing Whereas it lies as age

Well, see, Liza 15, coming on 16, even prior to that, I did every sport under the sun. Yeah, but I did sport at school. And I was in every, I was in everything. I know what I'm saying after, like, you never, at school you didn't do gym. Of course you'd have to do PE and all that shit, sports stuff. I was, no, netball, basketball. Yeah, I didn't do that. Tennis?

Tennis? Yeah, no. Run, cross country, rounders. I did it all. I loved it. In fact, they're trying to get me to play paddle. I don't know why you're not doing that. They said they all drive it there.

The boys are on it and so me and the new, yeah. Oh, you would love it. Yeah, they said they're like, because I... You would love it. And they reckon it's not as hard as tennis. No. So a lot of older women are playing this sport, apparently. I think it is as, as in, you don't have to be as skilled.

Yeah, because you've got the glass round. Yeah, it's not as hot. It's a good, good workout. If you're good at it, yeah. But not as challenging as tennis. I mean, I don't know what I'm talking about. I've never done it. It looks good though.

Walk past it a few times. I'll be on your team. Shall we play? We'll play the boys. We'll play Mark and Stavros. Okay. Fantastic. Excellent.

All right, I'm going to set it up. Mark on the pod last night. Sorry, I must ask, because it's important. We were talking about the brunch. She's giving it a final push. I said people might go on. Is there still tickets available? I'm not sure at the moment.

But I said, go on. It could be sold out. There's very few available. Do-da-da. And then he asked what it consisted of. which I'm sure him and Maria can have a conversation about on a Patreon app or something but is it ladies only? Have we put girls only?

We haven't, did we have any? No. So he was like, can I come? I said, I'm not really. Then he was like, but why can't I? And I said, no, it's girls only. And then afterwards you are, how rude? Why have floated blokes have joined?

No, I said, but it will be. I said the demographic and he said, I'm being stereotypical. I said it will be women and gay men. And he was like, I don't agree with you. Am I right? Not necessarily, but for, I know I've been to brunches, there's groups of guys, groups of girls, but for our Nat's nieces, I can't imagine a lot of men. No.

Unless they fancy us. Unless he proves us wrong, but I thought it was a good topic. But in my brain, I thought it's girls only. In our head, I think it was more positioned as like if a girls get together. Yeah, I did as well. I just did it. But we've not said girls only. Interesting.

All is welcome. And he also said. it's not a brunch, it's a lunch. It's 12 to 4. And I said it doesn't matter anymore. Anyway, you'll hear this. What's brunch? 11 o'clock?

No, it's not, it's brunch. But 12 to 4, really. It's not, babe. But brunch is. You don't go for a brunch and go at 10 o'clock drinking prosceco. No. It's a brunch. It's just what they're called.

I don't think he gets the concept. No, he doesn't. No. Or he's got a little bit of Fomo. Oh. And he wants to be there. Possibly. You couldn't come, Mark.

I think he's at work, so I don't know what he's talking about. There you go. Hi, Nat, Linne and Row Roe, I've listened from the start and your pod has got me through very dark days when having life-saving surgery, I listened to you over and over to get me through. Well, I've had 13 major ops in less than two years, and whilst my hubby has been amazing,

my daughter has been my rock and slinging block, holding my hair back when I was poorly, helping me do day-to-day things and taking me out for days to cheer me up. I really couldn't have got through it all without her. I'm so, so lucky to have her in my life. Also, since my mum died four years ago, she has been my go-to.

I love her with all my being. She's 21 and my best friend. That is lovely. How lovely is that? And her 21-year-old daughters had to be her rock. Beautiful. And that's from Sarah. And her daughter's 21, which is, again, a funny age where you're out and about.

She's the fact that she's supporting her mom. Amazing. just shows they've got a really beautiful relationship and it's her mum. She wants to see her mum well and this is it as well. I think probably when your mum's going through something like that, it must be really scary. Oh, my goodness. You realise, don't you?

And you want to care and you want to. And again, it's that thing where I remember when I used to go and visit my mum, I would like stroke her hair or like put hand cream on her hand. My dad wasn't going to do that. No. So it's just the girly things that a woman would never, a mum's never going to ask you to do that. You're her little girl, I was her little girl.

Yeah. But I thankfully had the savvy and intellect to know what would maybe just make her feel a bit more comfortable. And, yeah, men aren't got anything to do that, are they? So that's like. But again, I didn't, when my mum was poorly or in hospital, I would have never have rubbed my mum's hands with hand cream. She did not have that. Bitch?

No. Did you know what? No, but now you were, yeah. You just was a bit. No, but we didn't know. Oh, I did it for my dad? Yeah, no, massively. But that blows, no, but he was older.

No, but even if my dad would have been in that position at that age, I would have done it from my dad. But I think if Nan was here now, and it would be different. But she's talking about them. I'm talking about. I'm saying, I think it was her age. You didn't have that relationship. I think it was a relate. I don't think it was an age thing, genuinely.

Because I was 15, we're 14. We were just doing a different relationship? That's what I say. Yeah, that's exactly the point. Different. And that, really, when you say it, it's not the first time you've said it, and there's nothing wrong with it, you're being honest, which is lovely. It makes me feel weird inside because I don't,

because the way your mum was about you, I don't think of you not being close. Do you know what I mean? I'm not saying we weren't close. I loved my mum. No, of course. But I had my whole life with my mum was My mum never brought me to school in the morning No, your dad did it all

No, never took me out Yeah We never did beauty together or Went to a cinema or a restaurant We never went on holiday We never went yeah You haven't had those bonding moments No not really

At home we did When we were young we're young Right Yeah Very young But by the time I got to second school In 11 I felt that I'd not Had that relationship to keep it up

and I just wanted to be out with lots of different people because we didn't have that bond. I do think you forget when Nanny wasn't wet. I mean, you did do some things for her. No, yes. Do you know, of course. I was talking about when she had cancer in hospital and I remember that and going up and sitting with her and that.

But I'm just picturing you at a hospital bed doing that and thinking back to that and thinking, I just wouldn't have done that. I've got her a water and tucked her up, but touchy-feely stuff I'm talking about. Yeah. And that's why it's so unfair, isn't it, when you've been cheated of a parent? Because you do have, your relationship does change.

Oh, it changes. Absolutely. Subject to what age you are and what age that person. Well, you're learning. You also, as an adult, learn about your mum as a woman. Yes. And what she's been through and her personality. And as you get older and you go for experiences, you then appreciate what your mum has been through.

Or what she suffered with. Yeah. Or whether you agreed with something they did or didn't do, then you understand and can relate to, you know, You know, like you've said before on a pod, this is, with Eliza, when you said, this is the first time I've done this. Yes.

Yeah, that's right. All learning, yeah. No one's he, no one. There's never had a month. We've never had a daughter. There's no training course. There's no training course. But then, I obviously, being around Eliza and Joni,

for me, I feel like, it's a bit more experience than just, there's some people that have got no experience. No, that is true. That's very, I completely agree with that because you've had. No, you've had little babies. I'm like, I'll get it. You were probably the first baby I ever held. I never held a baby.

You've had babies. Yeah. I never, who's, you ever? But also as well, I think back then, like with now we talk to our kids. They know about everything. Periods, hormones, this, it's that understanding as well because that is so important. So important. Never spoke about emotions.

And there was a lot going on there as we know. Yeah. So in terms of me saying, it's all right to feel sad. It's all right to realise. I do that. I can wake up in the morning and not. and cry all day for no reason. I do that.

That's okay. Because you would never, ever. I'd have never shown you her feeling. And her weaknesses. It was all very private, wasn't it? Stiff up her lip, get on with it. But even like, obviously you're so conscious of being sensitive to Eliza when she's going through things,

but I think it's also about her being sensitive to you when you're having a shit day or whatever. That's really important. But that does happen now because you'll go, you're not right. What's the matter today? And I'll just say, I'm just saying, I'm not right to die. I feel like shit.

Or I'm a grumpy. I say I'm grumpy, I'm coming on, baby. And she's fine, she goes, oh, yeah. But you know each other. You know you live with. You know if someone's not quite right, don't you? You always do if you love them and you spend time with them and you care about them. And also, it's also the dynamic of, like, being in a household where there's multiple daughters as well.

Do you know what I mean? You have different relationships with the different girls. Yeah. Their relationship together. There's a lot going on. It is a lot to. to manage and keep this peace and equilibrium and fairness. I'm obsessed with fairness.

Everything has to be fair. If I go to Elyas and I've done housework there, I'm like, I'm like, Lucy's Boston, just don't worry about it. I would say even with Annalisa, like I went around their last Friday whenever it was and I'm upstairs doing their bathrooms with them because I feel bad because I feel like she doesn't get as much support and not just her for Dominic.

He's my son. Yeah, I know, but you can't do everything. You can't. You need a little bit of you time. as well. You've got to remember that from your daughters, from your family. Everyone also would like you to have a little rest. She does crack me up though.

The other Sunday, we're on the phone. I was on my own for once. She's like, I what are you doing today? I said, I'm going to do kids' wardrobes out. Again, a wardrobe. Come on. I thought I was going to do every wardrobe. I just about got to the kids. She said, all right, do you want me to come and help you? I said, Mom, honestly,

it's fine. You've got shit to do. Anyway, I'm upstairs. I can hear the door. keys in the door. She couldn't help herself. However, you didn't help me on this occasion. She just raided my wardrobe for holiday clothes. She was getting in dresses that I'm not worn for years.

Brilliant. It never bit me. I was like, go through. And it's like really overwhelming. I stepped into the bedroom and I saw everything. I thought, oh, God, where do you even start? Why am I come out? It's a lot, isn't it?

But you can't help yourself. No, I can't. Honestly, if I didn't work, I would be, I guarantee you. Oh, that'd be so good. A few didn't come. I actually could spend a day at each of my house. And I would 100% be doing that. And I'd enjoy it.

I'd pay you a lot of money. Oh, no, I wouldn't expect to be paid. That's what I would be doing. I know it already. How long do you retire? She's quite happy, thank you. Hi, Natalie. Saw your message about tonight.

I lost my mum in 2009. I was 22. I'm the youngest of five kids, and I've never heard anyone speak about the envy I feel for the relationships my mum had with our older siblings. I find it unfair. They got her for longer

and I know it's ridiculous but I wondered if you ever felt about Tony and David. Sorry to make it a grief-related message but it's just on my heart just now. Absolutely love the podcast. You guys make me feel like I've got a bunch of friends and we are catching up every week.

We are your friends. We are. So lovely. Before you answer that though that's funny that she said that because I do it. About when she got, she used to cry her eyes out

and be so jealous of your wedding. video because I was there. Do you remember that? It's really upset me. But I still do it now. I'll say to Eddie and Don, but you wasn't here when I was born and I was around with mum and dad for longer.

And Alfie will sometimes do it with me. He says, oh, I loved it before Ruby got here and it was just us. Isn't it funny? And actually, funnily enough, and it's very different situation, but I think it's something Mark's done because it's a little thing between him and Eliza.

When Joanie gets in the car or something, he'll go, God, do you remember when it was a good old day since she weren't about? Yeah. But it'll do that quite a lot with Eliza. It'd be like, oh, do you remember when it was just chimpy time and not chimpy and monkey time? Yeah, it's funny.

But that's a very, very good point. And what I would say is, no. No, you've never ever said. Never. Never felt like that. No. That they had your parents. No, I didn't funny, no.

I just think maybe it's because it's such a, such a gap. And also, you had a lot of. of time with just them. I did. So maybe you felt like... You had them got... Well, I think maybe

because David wasn't living at home and Tony was only there for a very short time, it doesn't even enter my head that they were children with my mum and dad. I don't really think of them as children. And then actually, when they moved out, you got more time with them. They probably didn't see him as much,

so probably all evens out in it. But a lot of... I do remember my time with Tony living at home. That's very special to me. Do you? Yeah. Not with David. at all.

No, because he was... But my favourite memory of Dave is when he had his tons was out before Tony's wedding and he lived with us for four days and I was so excited. Do you remember? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But I remember that and my memory's not, I remember Dave had been living with us. They've had some time with you. Yeah. Yeah, again, your relationship with your brothers, it's different, isn't it? Because whilst you're brothers,

you didn't actually grow up with them. I do get what she's saying, though, but she must fit... I do understand, like, feeling like that. I think I would probably feel like that. And it's interesting because I, on the odd occasion, I've had that thought where I've, and even though me and my brother's all very close in age, I do often think, I have to remind myself, the Mex was 12.

Yes, yes. I was already working. I know it's only 16, but I was already working. Out in the world. Your child. As was my older brother, the mix was 12. Yeah. You know, it's damaging stuff.

Of course it is. I just, do you know what? It's never easy, is it? No, it's never easy. If I've had you for many years, great, but what the fuck would I do? It'd be awful. I always say that. When someone's extremely upset and their mum is 96 and they go on, bit and back.

You've had them for longer. You've made more memories, more love. You don't know your life without them. Yeah, yeah. It is true. I totally agree. I always remember Debbie saying that. No, I agree.

Debbie was one. I was Debbie when she lost them and won two. So she didn't know, she doesn't know what she missed. She doesn't know what I miss. She'll wish she'd say that. And I get that a little bit as well, because I was only just turn 16. What you haven't had, you kind of don't miss. You kind of crave something.

Yeah. But you don't know because you never had it. Well, I know the pain I felt for both parents and who I had longer. And Jesus Christ, it's not, it's still in my now. Granted, yes. When I get home in the morning and the kids are not here, it always happens today. So you get home and you think, oh, I don't have a cup of tea with him now. Yeah, but he lived here as well.

You got all of that. It's a lot, isn't it? Reminders. But lovely. As the saying goes, the more you love, the more pain you feel. It's just, it's part of life. So to have that pain, you're kind of lucky because that means you had such a special relationship with that person. Yeah, and that goes in all of life, whoever you love and pits.

Can we lighten this up? Oh, fuck me. She doesn't sleep tonight. Get your mushrooms out. Thank God I don't do grief pots. Thank God I don't do grief pods. Jesus, all right. There's this heartfelt stuff here, babe.

I know, but what are we going to do? When you're doing your second wardrobe out? I don't know. When I get around there. That's the shoe cabinet. Oh, I don't. I've got so much to do. Hopefully I would have been moved out into a new house by then.

I have to say, you say you've got a lot to do. Just pop in my room and look at the furniture. Make you feel better. I know, but at least I've got bags of clothes in my boots. that I need to, I can't not vinted some of it. It's actually shocker. Who's got time? No, I know.

And then a friend of mine said she tried to take them to the charity shop and they said, no. No, and that's, you do find that now. She took a load of stuff to the charity shop and they didn't want it. All right. Some of them are over and run and some of them are very fussy because they want their shop a certain way or they've got enough of certain things. Oh, wow. I found that. I took a load of puzzles there.

And they were like, oh, no. I told you what the council do. I told you this before. Oh, yeah, you did. You can put it in a sack on your doorstep and the council come and collect it. Oh, just take it. And it doesn't go in the bin. No, no, they dish it out to whoever.

But even there's a binging where? Like you can put all the bin things that you can put them all in. Yeah, like the clothes bank. There is just bags. I know. It's awful. That's right tipping, isn't it? Yeah, they just dump it.

It's not nice at all. So you can't do that. Why did this not used to happen back in the day? Because people did have fast fashion? Fast fashion. People kept things They all work, ruining the world It's true

People kept things You went out and bought a few things But you had things for best Things for weddings Things for this, didn't you You weren't buying a night out In a week Yeah

Yes, it is mad It is mental actually I have to say I've always been very good with the children though Never overbought Ever Ever

Because they're at school all week It's true What they're wearing? What do they need? A couple of pairs of children jeans, a couple of jumpers. I don't ever go mad with the children. I did with Eliza when she was a baby.

I spent a lot of money on stuff. But it is true when they're at school week. What are they wearing? And then at the weekend. Bit of dance, bit of drama. They want to be chilled at my leggings. And they grow out of this stuff so quickly. Yeah, it's been buying loads of stuff.

But Elliot does make me love because she goes, oh, Joanie, you look nice. She should actually an outfit that's all right for a change. But she is right, you know. But I let them wear what they want, but she's getting to that age. You know, she wants to pick things and she's picked a little cardigan, you know like the little pringle, little.

A little Argyle cardie with a little pair of dark jeans, feral jeans. She's so cute. She's funny. She's funny, isn't she? Oh, dear. She gets a dress sense from you, I think. Possible.

Who's more like you, Liza or Joni? I think they both have my traits in different ways. Does it have any of my traits? No. I'm joking. I don't know. I've never really thought about it. I think Ely is like me in the sense that if she bumps into someone,

she doesn't forget, she'll ring me to tell me. She's like, so and so, and they said send me in a lot. I'm like that. Yeah, she's very, yeah, like you, loves to chat with people and all that. Yeah, I think she's like that. This one's the polar opposite. Yeah, I think. Yeah, she's more like Dave in that regard.

But I think Nats, Elia has a lot of you in her. We're very like, yeah. Ridiculous. Yeah. Like the shopping, the speed that you shop, yeah. The dad's not like that at all. No.

No. No. He likes to shop. And if he wants something, he'll just buy it. There's not a lot. Yeah, mum, he's got clothes in his wardrobe with labels on that have been there for two years. Yeah, he likes to buy things and not wear them. Or shoes, he'll go, you know those shoes you brought me?

In 19. Yeah, I know it's bizarre. And I say that winds me up it. I don't congratulate you on it. You got to wear things. It's bizarre. Bizarre. But yeah, I think Elliot's probably more like you than she's like me.

Yeah. Funny, isn't it? Yeah. But Ellie is easy to get on me. I think Elliot's just a, she's just a funny human being. Yeah, she's got funny funeriness. She's got such a lovely, yeah, lovely character. She's also not miserable.

Oh, no. Yeah, she's not opinion. Oh, no. She's not a opinion. No. No. No. No.

Calm down. I don't like you're like, I don't like you saying that. It's like that you're miserable. You're fucking miserable. No, you're sensitive and you are. I'm a bit more of a deep thinker. Yeah, you're deep. But I feel like you're, you can just, your mood change and swing.

So she's trying to be diplomatic here. It's not working. Because it's important. No, listen, we can't all be the same. No, Ellie is that person where she can bite. She can bite at you. Yeah, yes. And then two seconds later, she's laughing and dancing with you.

When I mean opinions, actually, I'm saying she's sat here with me and Mark before, and it's like counselling. Do you know what I mean? Not even when something's gone wrong, she goes, but you two should go out more and what you need to do and this is what you've got to do, and I mean this, because she's quite... Assertive. Yeah, assertive, very helpful. And, yeah, she can have a pop as well.

And she's a fantastic friend. I'm sure her friends will say that. But don't take any shit. She don't. But I'm the same. She's black and mine. I'll be, I'll do anything for you. But if it's over, go on.

See you later. I don't even think about you again. Whereas Maria isn't like that. She thinks she's like that, but she's not. I know she'll dwell on that friend and be upset and her. Wow, she's had a couple she couldn't give a shit about. Yeah. I've got better as I'm older.

But yeah, she would struggle than I was younger. Yeah, she loves her friends and she's loyal to her friends. And if you don't get it back, always you say to her, you're, your expectation. because of what you do, you're always going to be disappointed because no one's ever going to be able to live up to it. Yeah, I find I'm, I couldn't cut people out like you and Eddie would do. Yeah, I struggle to do that.

I have to, I will. Yeah, I do. That's not, doesn't come easy to me. Yeah. Yeah. Funny old game. How old game? You could just talk about women dynamics.

All day long day. It's such a, isn't it? Like, we had to touch. on it again because the one we did about, what was, we spoke about women, didn't we? You could just do a pod on women. And then we had, what of our pods on women. And then there were so many messages, like, so many amazing women, just some fucking dickheads as well. What women?

Yeah, man, it blows my brains. Like who? Just people. Especially in my industry and where I worked before. Fake people, it blows my brains. You must sit in your industry as well. Yeah. What, what?

I just don't know why you would want to be like that. Faking what sort of way? Just bitchy, fake. We'll say one thing, but then it does another. It's just, we, I find it really odd. I just think, as you get older, you learn something. Just be kind. If you don't like someone, then just don't say anything.

I hate people talking about people. I don't even mean about talking about people. Because if someone's talking about you, they're doing it behind your back. You don't know. You're none of the wiser it is what it is. No, but if I'm involved in that conversation, Oh, I see. And it's about someone that I don't really care about.

Why are you wasting that time talking about someone? But I'm talking about more about someone your, you know, whether it's an old friend, a new friend, a neighbour, someone you work with. Just big guys. Yeah. But it's what I find mad. So I was watching the only way as Essex.

I don't really watch it. It was on. I was ironing or something. I don't really want you, man. I just want to. No, I don't. But I do sometimes. But I just can't believe that.

that they're still making a program based on people, slagging each other off, going behind people's back, causing gossip. Like, you know, somebody, like, a girl was gone with her mates, churning. Is that real? Does that actually go on?

They're going, oh, by the way, someone so said the other. Yes, yes. And I'm like, the whole program is really bad, actually. Yeah, it's very right. Fitching. Bitching. Gay guys bitching.

Because the straight guys don't bitch on there. They don't, they're just there to make up the numbers. But even them, sometimes I listen to their conversations. I'm like, the guys really give a fuck about that. Like, do you really care about. It's just a bit of a scripted show, isn't it? No, I know, but I'm just saying, I can't believe this day and age. That's like, yeah, that is the whole problem of the show.

Pretraying that that's okay for friends to be falling out. Because who do, I'm, don't you wrong, I know there are still people, you will get things that rub you up the wrong way or whatever, but, I know, you just hope that, again, that's become a bit more of a thing of the past. I hope people have got each other's backs a bit. And as you say, you can just take no notice if you don't get on with someone. Yeah, there's no need to be horrible. No need to vilify people, isn't it?

And you need to drum this into Ruby, the girls. When they're young, if you can just teach them that at such a young age. I'll say that all day. Be kind, be kind. Yeah, I will listen to, um, oh, what's her name? You had her on the pod. G. G.

G.C. Barry. Thank you. What's her real name? Grace. Grace, thank you. She just did the Paul Brunson, and so many things she was speaking about at school really resonated with me. It really upset me. Like what?

Just the bullying that are sort of an alfink at the time. I never come to you and told you that that was happening. No. Blows my mind. Isn't that mad? And I just got on with it. Why didn't you? I don't know.

I was embarrassed, I think. Why don't children tell them? No, I think you just get on with it, don't you? Why? Why would you? Because it's part, sort of part of school. It does happen to everyone. But I mean, I think it happens to a lot of people in different ways.

Shocks me. If I think you're able to get worse, I remember one girl. I remember her ginger girl, Tony and Amoswith and I, and I actually threatened to beat me up and I did go and tell my mum. No, I remember. Do you not remember her? Do you not remember being in my lounge? Good. I shit myself.

Do you remember not being in my lounge? And your mum told me, because your mum would talk to me. I used to talk to your mum. Do you not remember that? And I was fuming. I remember at that stage, I probably, yeah, I must have had you. I reckon I was 14. As old as that?

This must have been even young. No, this was secondary school. Oh, that was Becky. I was fuming. I remember saying to you, I don't know what, baby. She was just that, every day you went in and you didn't know if you were going to be her friend. Oh, that isn't that all for a different like that? Oh, and every day and you think, oh, please God, don't even be me today.

And if I'm today, then you just don't get spoken to all day. I remember. I remember this thing going around. It was like, there was that rumor it was going to be the end of the world. And everyone was making an end of the world car through each other and no one made me. Oh, stop. Oh, it's perfect, really, though, isn't it? But at the time, it means a lot.

I remember, though, Amy sometimes, I've got some girl up by the... Vote for you. No, I did it for Amy. Oh, really? Really? Excellent. That's good, right? Yeah, girls are horrible.

Yeah, a few things she was saying. I was like, oh, my God, that does resonate. It does happen a lot. I think it's very rare. No one will get something a little bit of bullying. I think we should. Definitely pick up, doing other subjects on that because I think that's a huge subject and a good one to talk about. Oh, 7-8-28-20, 19, 19. I want to end on this message. I want to thank you both. It's been lovely. Thank you so much.

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