Life with Nat - EP51: A Christmas jumper Story!

Episode Date: October 13, 2024

Nanny turned Artist Nephthys Foster chats to Nat about her career change and success and her new range of Christmas jumpers at River Island. Life is full of suprises and you really can achieve anything guys! Enjoy and happy Monday to you all. ❤️ Nephthys Illustrated - https://nephthysillustrated.co.uk/ Nephthys on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/nephthysillustrated Please subscribe, follow, and leave a review. xxx You can find us in all places here; https://podfollow.com/lifewithnat/view INSTA: @natcass1 We're also on Facebook now too: https://www.facebook.com/lifewithnatpod A 'Keep It Light Media' Production Sales, advertising, and general enquiries: [e-mail] SHOW INFO: Life with Nat - it’s me! Natalie Cassidy and I’ll be chatting away to family, friends and most importantly YOU. I want to pick people's brains on the subjects that I care about- whether that’s where all the odd socks go, weight and food or kids on phones. Each week I will be letting you into my life as i chat about my week, share my thoughts on the mundane happenings as well as the serious. I have grown up in the public eye and have never changed because of it. Life with Nat is the podcast for proper people. Come join the community. ♥️ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Visit BetterHelp.com today to get 10% off your first month. That's BetterHelp, H-E-L-P.com. Nef is welcome to Life with Nat. I'm a a bit nervous i've got to admit you have it's okay nervous about it's just a chit chat isn't it it's just a chat with nat that's it perfect i think we'll start listeners because obviously you'll think who's this lady why has nat got her on and the reason i've got Nefis on we have a mutual friend called Madeline who works for River Island and I go out and see Madeline and we have a chat and whatever and she started telling me about this wonderful lady Nefis and she kept saying oh you'd really get on

she's amazing and she's designing some Christmas jumpers well as soon as I hear Christmas jumpers guys you know what happens so I was, very excited about these jumpers. And then I found out that Nefis Foster, who's with me now, just has the most wonderful story. And you know that I'm so, so positive and so excited to hear about women making big changes in their life, being brave enough to kind of jump out and do something new. So I thought, what with the Christmas jumpers, what with Nefis's story, I've got to get her on the pod. And here she is. How are you? Hello. I'm good, thank you. How are you?

I'm really good, thank you. We've had a bit of a nightmare, haven't we, this morning with all the bits and pieces. Just a little bit. I was going to start at 10 and then I had a tree surgeon turn up which Mark didn't tell me about I was like are you really joking got a pod to do and there's the chainsaw messenger going on in the garden they've gone now and everything's trimmed and sorted and let's just talk about your art you're in your studio as we speak yes I've been looking and following you for a while now and I genuinely love your artwork

oh thank you I just want to get into it explain to all my listeners how you started your artistry your craft and that you haven't really been doing it for that long and where you are now just talk to us about it so I started drawing in I think it was 2021 and my partner and I were at an airport in Sardinia and our flight was delayed on the way home and then I was just like just to pass the time really it was when the Instagram stories like you could draw on them and like everyone was like getting quite excited about that new feature yeah um so I doing that. And then my partner was like, oh, they actually look really good. Maybe you should buy an iPad. So I saved up, I think I saved up like £100 a month from my salary. And then I bought an iPad. And then I spent every single day when I came home

from work, I was on YouTube, looking how to use like drawing software on it editing software tell the listeners what you were doing you were a nanny right yes I was a nanny I was a nanny for 12 years looking after just a range of lovely children from like two years old to 15 yeah it's yeah it's a big change in career but'm really, really happy that I'm here now and I'm doing something I love. It is really, truly amazing to obviously, firstly, let's just talk about the nanny for a minute, because I know you've left it behind. But I don't know how you look after other people's kids. I don't know how you did that. I really know. I loved it. But I also love the parents that I worked for. And I truly believe that if it wasn't for working for those women that I wouldn't have seen, like I wouldn't have been around like really hard working I was working with, just being surrounded by them every day and seeing how work driven they were. inspiration from you know really hard-working mums because obviously I have a nanny and she's here all the time and I'm off to work a lot and I'm really busy and hopefully the kids I

always say I want that my girls because I've got two daughters you know I want them to see my work ethic and I hope they really do what you've done you know and think it's great to work it's great to be hard working and so you started scribbling on the iPad. Yes. You enjoyed it. Started doodling. You started doing all your doodles. When was the first time you kind of made something

which you could hold and someone loved and bought? I think it was when we moved into my partner, well, my boyfriend and I, we bought a place together. Yeah. And then I remember just going on Google, like just going on Etsy, like looking for places to buy artwork for the house and I just couldn't really find anything that I liked so then I started making it myself and then I put it on Instagram and then that's when it all kind of kicked off for me which was like incredible and then when I heard that people wanted to buy them, I was like,

what? It was very surreal. It was super surreal. But then my friends were like, oh, can you print one off for me? And so, yeah, it just started really naturally. And like now I just love every day. I love doing it. It's amazing. So that's your main source now of income and it's the job that you love doing. That's what you're doing every day now, is it? Yes. Yes. The bizu bizu next to you.

Oh, this one. Is the colours of life of Nat, just to say, apart from the lips. Oh, really? Oh, I'll send you one off now. I love it. Hint, hint. That was the first one I did

and that was the one that gained a lot of traction on Instagram and social media platforms. So I love that one. And that's the reason why my logo is the lips. Yes, I know it is. It's absolutely gorgeous. And am I right in saying that really your art and sort of the stuff that you do, it's all about the joy in life and the things that really matter to you the little things yes it is I just think that life is just so short which I found out from you know previous things that's happened in my life well I think I just think that I think we can have a chat about that also because we have quite a lot in common, really. Yes, we do.

How old are you? I'm 30. Oh, you're 30. You're a young whippersnapper. I'm 11 years older than you. I'm like a whippet. But we found out, well, you lost John Rohn when you were young, as did I. Yes.

But you were much younger. You were 15, right? So, yeah, it was three days before my 16th birthday. It wasn't a great present, I must admit. And that was quite a sudden thing, right? Yeah. So I was actually at the park when it happened. And then my dad called me like, you need to come home. And then I was like, oh God, he's just being annoying, telling me to come in. And then he was like, yeah, your mom's really sick and then the next day we she was in the hostel having an operation and then the next day we just went into room they were

like oh we're so sorry like she passed away but it was just a heart attack just out of the blue right I lost my mom when I was 19 a week after my 19th birthday and uh oh really yeah and again it was a very sudden sudden aneurysm so I think as girls uh you lose your mum I do think you get a fighting spirit within you yes I think you can go either way 100% I think you can become weak and destroyed by it or you grieve and you're sad and then you get up and you go because you know life's so short yes I definitely think so and I think I was just so lucky at the time as well because I had such a great group of girlfriends around me and their mums took me in like one of their own so I think in that sense like I was very very lucky yeah but I do agree with you it makes you a different person it makes you a lot stronger I think so and I too have just

got the most wonderful network of family and friends around me as well so I was also very lucky then we had our lovely dads you know we had our lovely dads and we looked after them and had a great time with them. And you've lost your dad also. Like, I lost my dad. Yes. Yeah. So, you know, I don't want people to go,

oh, God, this is boring. This is, you know. Yeah, not the song story again. But again, it's life. It's life. It's what happens to people. And I don't know about you, but I feel very proud to be sat here but as an orphan but actually I've had wonderful time with them I've learned a lot of life lessons and I just

get up like you and think I'm here I've got to do something today I've got to just be happy today yeah exactly and I think your dad as well I don't know about your your dad but I think because he had cancer like towards the end of it, it's just like, you feel really bad for saying it, but you're just like, oh, like you should really like maybe pass on. Yeah.

Cause like, and then you feel guilty for saying it. You're just like, oh my God, I'm the worst person in the world. But like just seeing, like he didn't assume, you know,

as soon as like he started losing like mobility and stuff, he was such an independent person. Yeah. So when he started to lose mobility he was just like oh I don't really want to be here anyway so you feel bad for saying it but I'm glad he's gone I completely understand I completely understand what you're saying yeah so moving onward and upward. Upwards, definitely. Your studio, is it at home? No, so I'm in a place called Wimbledon Art Studios and it's just like with all like artists. So I don't know how many artists are here, but there's a lot. So it's like pockets of different art going on in different rooms.

It sounds really good. I love art. Not many people know it probably people would say oh she says she likes art but i really really have a too many art books downstairs i go to galleys you should come here i will i would love to come and visit you definitely um have you been is your artwork in a shop in umvent Garden? Yes, they made this. They made this. I love them.

Yeah. I go there often and your work screams that shop. Oh, really? Because they've just opened one in Coal Drops Yard now. Oh, have they? I love Coal Drops Yard. Yeah, they're doing really well. Me too.

Oh, that's where we've got to meet up? Yeah, we'll meet there. Is it Spiritland? Oh, I can't i don't know it's that lovely bar oh it's a bar and it's got all of the um really great record players and speakers they do amazing cocktails it's next i think that's where they are brilliant i think that's where they've moved to in an area like they've moved in like a food hall oh okay oh fantastic yeah now we'll do that now I saw you dancing on a table looking very very glamorous on Instagram that was naughty

so that was from your launch of the yes range yes i hope that you have a nice time oh my gosh did we have enough i can't remember i'm joking no the amount of work that the river island girls put into that launch event i i just can't they're just amazing they're such an amazing company to work for and they're just fun you know I work so fun like you don't actually feel like it's work yes yeah I do and we're very very lucky to feel like that yes in the creative industry we are super super lucky to feel like that because not everybody does uh no myself for having work that is joyous it's bloody brilliant so how many jumpers have you designed christmas jumpers for this year i've got them all laid out here we've

got one two three four five six seven we've got nine nine jumpers i want to see them you want to see all of them? you've got one on I've got the doodle cardie on today I thought that would be quite oh so it's just all of my favourite things the doodle cardie came about because I was just doodling yeah and then I thought to myself I don't just want to stick to one little thing

one little like element. So I was like, can we have all of them on one jumper? And then Mads was just like, yeah, let's do that. So then the doodle card was the first one I made. And I think it is my favorite one. It's gorgeous. Can you do me a favor actually for our listeners? Because obviously this is quite visual.

Would you lay them all favour actually for our listeners because obviously this is quite visual would you lay them all out together for me so we can see that and take one big picture of all of them together and I can put it on Instagram for everybody is that ok so they can see them thank you so much, I still want to see them oh ok

let me carry on so you've got the mistletoe martini one that was what you were drinking the other night, I believe. Oh, yes. That's what I was drinking. I love that. That is gorgeous. Oh, really nice.

And then we got the merry jumper, which is quite. I love a bit of red and pink together. You can't beat it. Oh, I really love that. And it's got like a sparkly lining next to the lips, which is great. And then next up we have champagne. Champagne season, green and pink, life with Nat Colors. Yes, please.

We'll get that one sent to you, Nat. Oh, that's gorgeous. I can't wait for you to see these listeners honestly and then the thing that I like about these jumpers

is that we did some oversize we did some crops so they cater for all different sizes which I really wanted to do

be inclusive of everyone yes and then Santa baby with the bows I'm going to have to get all of these

we've got kids ones as well I know Mads has told bows. I'm going to have to get all of these. We've got kids ones as well. I know. I know Mads has told me, but I'm going to have to get them all because I'm a bit obsessed with it all. And then another champagne. Oh, that's lovely. The black and white. Very Chanel.

Oh, gorgeous. So this all launches today, Monday the 14th. Yes. Amazing. I was so excited. It very very exciting and i wish you all the luck with these jumpers they're brilliant thanks have you always loved christmas or you know are you a big christmas person or was it just someone said you know you know would you do the christmas design because for me it's my absolute dream because I'm a real Christmas freak

well Chris I think as a child as a child and a teenager I did love Christmas and then obviously when everything happens it's I kind of like hated Christmas for a while yeah and then I learned how to love it again when I moved in with my partner and it's just special I just like like even like you know when like the football's on it's just everyone coming together yes like everyone's celebrating the same thing even if you don't celebrate Christmas like you are still in the festive kind of spirit you're in the holidays aren't you yeah slowing down there are parties to go to it doesn't really matter what yeah you are it's kind of a festive party season isn't it it? I don't know about you, Nat,

but for me, it's Christmas Eve. Oh, I love Christmas Eve. Christmas Eve's my favourite day. I know. We do the same thing every Christmas Eve. What do you do? We go on a pub crawl and then do karaoke. Oh, do you? Down our high street.

Oh, that's brilliant. But we've done that since. You don't want to know about mine? Oh, what do you do? I peel 15 tonnes of rose potatoes oh I no I love it

I get everything prepped I get as much done as I can my Christmas music is on the odd person might pop in and have a little glass of something I watch Jamie Oliver and then I have to watch

Carols at King's on BBC two religiously I know it sounds perfect to be fair I think whatever you do and whatever you love is perfect quite frankly yeah it's just magical that time of year it's just very it's a very magical time of year and you're right it can be really hard, I think, as well, when you've lost people. Yeah. And it can be quite melancholy and it's a very nostalgic time. But again, you learn to love it with different things,

different traditions, you know? Yeah. It's very, very good. Let me play you, because I popped a little message out last night about Christmas jumpers and if anybody you know had a little story for me this popped up and I thought well I've got to play this in I'm so excited well I thought I enjoyed Christmas jumpers listen to this hi Nat Christmas jumpers and Christmas tops so I've got three year old twin boys obviously got to buy two

of everything so what I do is each year after Christmas buy all their Christmas tops the next year in sale we love a tartan shirt also just love a little Christmas long sleeve top for them for nursery and when they were one they had a different christmas top every day for the majority of december i know i'm fucking nuts um obviously either buy them in like the next sale or from primani this year however really really unorganized need to pull my finger out better get to primani i feel like i saw on insta that their christmas bits are out for the kids but no doubt there'll be loads for the girls and sod all for the boys so wish me luck oh i love that oh you can go to river island

what's lovely is there are all shops cater for all different price brackets all different things so it is a lovely thing I just wonder about people you know and feeling the pressure sometimes of having to do it because so many people now do get the Christmas jumpers I mean there is one day isn't there in December which is Christmas jumper day yes but now it seems to kind of spread throughout the whole of December yeah I think with the jumpers that we designed for River Island we did like want some that you could wear just not for Christmas but for the winter kind of season yeah so you could so it wasn't just like oh you just wear them for one day and like that's it which I thought was like very important yeah to do that but I think that's great and I think

it's good that she's buying them all after Christmas it's a really good idea actually isn't it it's really good because also with kids you kind of know what age they're going to be at you know you can yeah and go up my daughter's wardrobe at the moment Nefis it's just filled with summer stuff that doesn't fit me. I've had no time to go through the wardrobe. It's really, really bad. It needs a full cull. Everything to charity. A cull?

Sort it out. And then I need to go into shopping. But when they're at school, you see, all week, you really don't need much because they're in their uniforms. No. So there's no point going out buying loads and loads.

Yeah. And the washing's good as well when they're wearing their school uniform is it yeah for me it was in the summer holidays it was a disaster when working with girls oh my god they'll get changed like three times a day i know no it's true but joni comes home from school she's eight and she'll come home. So we're in by 5.30 once we've picked up Eliza, the big one. She can do four outfit changes before bed. She's like Beyonce at the Met Gala. Oh, my God. It's so true, though.

It is so true. Whereas boys, like they do get dirty and they do. Well, you have to tell them to change. Yeah. With the the girls it's by choice are all the families that you used to work for really proud of you yes they are and I do I do still stay I don't see them as much as I would like to just because work's kind of busy but um we do still chat and you know I think when I think when you're that close in a family, it's hard not to, you know, to just cut off all ties.

And I would never, ever do that. No, definitely. I've got a lovely, I know Kayleigh listens. So hello, Kayleigh. She's one of our old nannies and she keeps in touch. She listens to the pod. She'll send the girls always an Easter card, birthday card, a little gold coin for Christmas.

You know, I think you do have a bond with people that have looked after your children because your children are your life and they're everything to you. So when you're not there, it's impossible to not create a bond with the people that are looking after your kids, really. Or to get rid of them if you don't like them. Do you know what I mean?

Because I've been very, very fortunate. I've had three and they've all been super duper yeah luckily I've never had a bad family no so my sisters are 92 and so is my mum we've all come from a family of nannies and cleaners oh that's interesting. So the artwork that you have, tell us about, because it is pretty, it is quite amazing. It's in Selfridges. It's not in Selfridges. We did a pop up in Selfridges with Salad Days. It's not there anymore, but it was there.

It was. I'm saying your stuff, but it was there. It was. I'm saying your stuff's been in Selfridges. John Lewis. Yes. Oliver Bonus. Yes. I love Oliver Bonus. Oh, don't.

I love them too. I was just at their... Yeah. Once again, just like River Island, they're just such a great team to work with. Are they? Oh, brilliant. I want a Life With Nat piece of artwork. We can do it.

Let's do it. Why don't you create my piece of artwork? And it can go behind you. Well, it can go behind. I've got my sign, but I can have your artwork on the wall. But then we could do prints of it if anyone wants one for their home oh that would be lovely I would love to do that would you do that yeah let's do it I'm always up for everything let's do it you can do it for me as long as it's dark green and light pink and you

love those colors anyway yeah let's maybe let's put out something on the whatsapp to see kind of what people would like if they want any quotes or what what do they want it to be well my favorite quote i can't show you now i'll take a photo for you hang on so this is my favorite quote what people think of you is none of your business i've got that up in light oh i love that thank you very much but it could be very very simple it could just be life with nat the green and pink we could put a little shopping bag in it a bag for life because there's been quite a debate about um shopping yeah unfortunately i do do that well there we are yeah i've got a side with your husband thank you thank

you little bag for life in it we could have a trolley token and life with Nat and um a little mock-up fake Viennetta because that comes up a lot as well you know we're in a shopping bag and life with Nat sounds perfect and let's do it okay I think we should do it and then we can we can give out the prints I can get a load off of you and then I can have them here it's all going around in my head but I really want to do that give them to all of your guests I'm so excited so what is your next plan how I mean in terms of timing and stuff for when you're designing stuff for Christmas I bet that started right back in the summer right it actually started last Christmas last Christmas yeah well just after

last Christmas of River Island which is strange I liked it because it was like oh I'm not quite ready to let Christmas go yet and they were like straight back into it yeah I do a lot of shows Neffish you know you know in terms of yeah stuff I did a show can't tell you what it is really boring but this is the way it is secrets are secrets but I did a show right in the height of summer and you're fully christmassed up and it is always such a weird thing it is very very strange like when we did the shoot here it was boiling hot yeah my studio gets unbelievably hot in the summer so I got the big fan behind me and but we were wearing these Christmas jumpers and I was like in some of the scenes I was like oh would you mind replacing that with a different my hair is just like everywhere because I'm just like sweating

yeah I'm just like sweating buckets but. I'm just like sweating buckets. But no, it's just fun. It's very interesting for me to see how companies work because I've never, ever been in this kind of sector before. No, so it's all new to you. You're learning all the time, aren't you? Yeah. Just learning on the job, which is my favourite thing to do. Well, I have to say I'm doing the same with this.

Yeah. You're doing a good job at it. I spoke to Michael yesterday who is kind of my boss but I spoke to him and I'm asking him a lot of questions and how does this work and why is this and can we do this and I said to him I'm really I hope I I'm not embarrassed by asking the questions but I hope you don't think I'm an idiot for or I'm bugging you and he said absolutely not he said seven years ago I was asking questions and I'm now where I am and I thought yeah really actually

that's really good and you can get a long way if you are curious and if you aren't scared to ask questions and you're happy to learn and soak things up from people you know yeah when I first started my Instagram that's when um I started following all of the people who you know they've been they've been studying art they know all about how to use the software and I just would ask some questions just pop up on Instagram be like oh I'm really sorry like I'm just starting out and then from that I just like we formed a community on Instagram and like they helped me so much like get here so I'm so grateful do you think there's anybody who said oh yeah if you grab this and do this and did it and then six months later you're popping up in Selfridges and

they're like oh I don't know I don't know All of the people that I spoke with, I still do speak dear friend of mine charlotte she has a small business called yard art which is online and it's outdoor art for the garden and she works with different artists and i feel like you should talk to her as well it's all coming together let's do a mural it's a good idea though because it's all stuff that goes outside it's whether you know it's just to brighten up the garden rather than furniture you can have art in the garden which i think is really lovely yeah because i found out the other day that you're not actually allowed mirrors in your garden if you have astroturf because it can cause a fire it can cause a fire it can the gardener came around to ask

no i might be moving my studio into the garden so someone was coming around to quote up everything and he was like you're gonna have astro turf and i was like yeah i'll just have like maybe just like do some mirrors and stuff make it and he was like no mirrors he was like don't have mirrors it was like i saw we like he saw like scorched grass the other day yeah um of the sun just hitting the mirror and then going straight because it's like is it plastic well it's the reflection isn't it from the sunlight i suppose it's like yeah thing don't ask me about that yeah should have asked a tree surgeon Steve he's gone where is he so I want that bloody noise oh so you're gonna move the studio into your garden I think so I'm forgetful so this is like a 20 minute trip away from my house and if I forget something like a brush or a paint or

something I'm just it just takes a lot of time out of my day it's like an hour round trip here and back then I get here and I'm like oh this looks cool like I can't do any admin in the studio well I'd be exactly the same because I'm upstairs in the uh old spare bedroom so when I lose things you are right it is quite nice to nip downstairs into the kitchen when you've forgotten your diary or you've forgotten something? Yeah. That's quite good. Hopefully soon. So what have you got in the pipeline? Can you say or is it just really exciting?

Are you going to do more kind of prints which you're going to sell online? Have you got an obsession at the moment of a certain animal or colour? What can you tell me? For next year i think that i would love to expand into homeware i think that's quite a lot of people have been asking about it homeware and clothing i still do the prints i love the prints yeah and hopefully everyone seems to love them too but maybe doing like a new summer collection and but yeah homeware and fashion for me for next year is something that i'm really going to be focusing on oh it's so exciting it's

so exciting because I think it's every you know we all love homeware and jumpers and you know if you're not in that world it just feels so exciting and it's so lovely to see you be so excited about it as well i wonder if people always remain really excited and passionate you know someone like kelly hoppen for instance or you know people who do interiors and have been doing it for 20 years do you think they love it as much as you do i hope they do yeah i do i just don't think I'll ever be bored of this if you design interiors or clothes yes uh 07788 2019 19 have you ever got bored of it have you been doing it for years let us know I look because I feel like with like design in itself there's always stuff you know you can always change different things yeah I'm a person I can't do the same thing every day like that that drives

me nuts I worked in waitrose it drove me absolutely nuts even though I love the people yeah it's just the monotony of it isn't it yeah um but some people do and some people really enjoy it and some people have to. So pinch yourself moment, really. Definitely. Listen to this other message. You're going to laugh at this one. Hi, Nat. Just seen your Instagram where you said that you were going to talk about Christmas jumpers and seasonal clothing. And I couldn't resist to message you and leave a voice note.

My first ever voice note. But I do love you and leave a voice note my first ever voice note but i do love you and life with nat basically i love a christmas jumper for my little boy he was four in july last christmas we had 24 christmas jumpers so um basically one for every day of december leading up to christmas and we also love a halloween outfit jumper t-shirt with anything Halloween on as well 24 Christmas jumpers for one child

that is mental it's like an advent calendar next year you could do it a jumper in each box just the mini ones for children that would actually be very cute oh actually you could do it for little dolls i saw or a dog doll collection that would be really good oh my god someone's gonna steal this idea let's get going yeah

mad where are you you're listening to this 24 though that is quite a lot that love you to bits thank you for the voice note and i'm very proud of you for doing your first one but 24 jumpers yeah that is kind of mad people go crazy for seasonal stuff though you've got so much in the shops at the moment for Halloween. I know. And there's Christmas food as well out. Yeah, I know. There's been mince pies in Sainsbury's since end of September.

I have actually already bought a Yule log, I must say. Have you? I love a Yule log. I'm going to try and do my own one this year. Oh. I do Christmas puddings and I'll be doing those at the end of October. Yes. So they need to settle when you feed them the booze.

So yeah, I'm going to be doing those in October, which is good. Sorry, Neff. Do you mind, Neff? I don't mind. Don't mind at all. What are your nicknames? NeNe. That was a good one for a while.

That's my Starbucks. When I go into Starbucks on the odd occasion I do tell them Nene because I've told them Nef is poor and it's a bloody disaster it is I mean your name is um N-E-P-H-T-H-Y-S I've done that yeah that is correct yeah I mean Mark has a problem because he's marked with a C so I don't know

what your life's like Mark Jacobs Mr Mark Jacobs no it's good I hated it when I was younger I think your name's beautiful

and so we can find Nefis Illustrated or is it Illustrates Illustrated it is Illustrated yeah Nefis Illustrated, or is it illustrates? Illustrated. It is illustrated. Yeah.

Nefis Illustrated, that's Instagram handle. You say it because it's better. Just say it out loud, but I'm going to put it at the bottom of this chat anyway. It will be on all my pod episodes, you know, on Spotify or Apple. It will be at the bottom. People, you can find her, but you need to follow but you say it out loud in case they miss it so instagram name is nephis illustrated would you like me to spell it i think you should n-e-p-h-t-h-y-s illustrated it's gorgeous and you can see her standing on the table looking very glamorous drinking her

mistletoe martinis i congratulate you so much for what you've achieved so far thank you natalie and i can't wait to see what you do next and i can't wait to be waltzing around in one of your jumpers thank you so i thought honestly thank you so much for having me on the pod please I know you listen thank you for listening and uh I really am looking forward to you doing me a print for life with Nat and I'm being quite serious about that yeah let's let's speak about it let's get it let's get it in in the motions all right fantastic and anyone if you have any questions anything you want to ask nephis i can always send them on to her so you can always send them to me on 0778 20

1919 i hope you've enjoyed this little festive chat and a little bit of positivity about being strong brave woman taking a chance getting out there changing career have a wonderful week everybody and i will speak to you on thursday thank you so much nini thank you have a lovely day thank you bye bye hi this is chris mccausland and this is diane boswell and we've got a new podcast, haven't we, Di? We do. What's it called? Winning. Isn't. Everything. Every week,

me and Diane, we're going to be having a little catch up on the back of Strictly, aren't we, Di? We are. I've missed you, Chris. I've missed you too.

We're going to talk some nonsense, so why not tune in? Available everywhere you get your podcasts.