Limitless: An AI Podcast - Making Sense of SpaceX's First Earnings Report

Episode Date: August 6, 2026

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Last week on this show, we said August 4th was the day that SpaceX had to prove themselves. The first earnings report, every analyst on Wall Street basically was bearish. They said that Elon Musk could not pull this off, that this thing is a money vacuum. Turns out the opposite was the case. SpaceX absolutely smashed it. The revenue is up to $7.81 billion, which is 92% year-on-year, which is crazy for the size that they're at. and Starlink numbers double to 12 million subscribers. That being said, the stock is still down this morning. People are worried about the major unlocks that are happening tomorrow where $100 billion

worth of SpaceX stocks goes live. But Josh and I are here to tell you why that may not be the case and why the market could be wrong. Yeah, well, I understand why people are bearish. Like he was on the earnings call yesterday, which I sat in and listened to. And he's claiming he's like, all right, we're going to build robots with mass drivers on the moon and we're going to 1000xR economy on earth because of it. And it sounds ridiculous. And I was looking through the numbers and as I was reading this, I was like slowly starting to inform myself on what large companies look like. And EJAS, I want to start with a question too, actually. Do you know what company had the most annual revenue ever? Like what company is making the most money every year? This was really surprising

to me. Like currently? Like right now? Yeah. Like total revenue per year? Like who's making the most. I would have to say it is either like an invidia or an Amazon. It's not even a tech company. It's Walmart. Walmart topped out at $680 billion of revenue, which seems outrageous. And I mean, it gets into the pricing thing. We're like, Walmart's not the biggest company in the world. Why is that? Well, because their profit margins are low. Their multiples are lower. But SpaceX and Elon went on this conference call and he said, hey, we actually ran the numbers. And instead of 2031, by the year 2030, they expect to have a trillion dollars in revenue. That is 40% or 32% more than the largest company on Earth today. I think we kind of have to unpack what that looks like because, I mean,

that is a tremendous amount of value given the fact that they actually just reported a net loss of half a billion dollars, which is an improvement, but still a net loss. You could kind of break down the company's earnings report into these three pillars. First, it is connectivity, which is like Starlink and all of their satellite situations. Then they have AI, which was up 250% year over year. And then they had space, which was up 30% year over year. And I mean, the important thing that you noted, EJAS, is that 32% growth year over year is huge. Sorry, 92% growth. It's huge because for companies with $30 billion of annualized revenue, typical growth is like 5, 10%. So clearly they're doing something right. I was keeping an eye on his social media yesterday. And one of the things that

he said is we are on track for $100 billion ARR by the end of this year, 2026. Now, the only other company that I've heard that projection being made for is Anthropic. Now, when I look at SpaceX and look at Anthropic, I'm saying, okay, they may be competing in the same sort of field, but I don't think SpaceX is quite caught up on the AI side, but that's what most people miss. SpaceX isn't just an AI company. They are a computation company. They're the largest arsenal, largest GPU footprint of Nvidia GPUs, might I add. And he signed a major partnership with Jensen, which we'll get to in a second. But he's the only person that's launching these things into.

orbital space. He has the largest data center cluster on Earth, and he's also doing the Starlink connectivity thing. So all of these are different revenue drivers. And what I like about this report is he's proved a lot of the bears wrong simply by the numbers. Let's actually like walk through some of these numbers, right? So revenue. The estimate was $6.93 billion. He smashed it by earning almost a billion dollars more than that, right? And then when you look at earnings per share, people were like, okay, they're going to be like at a net loss of 26 cents per share. Nope, came in at 0.0.09. Is it profitable yet? No, but it is still much better than people expected. Then the net income, as you mentioned earlier, people were expecting a $2 billion loss.

He shaved that down by 3x to half a billion dollars. Now, again, is this the best earnings report that they could have come up with? Probably not. But these things take time for a CapEx heavy company, such as SpaceX, I'm really impressed with what they've been able to pull off. And I think, like, it just kind of like shows that Elon has pretty crazy statements. I remember when he pitched like the Starlink robots, GPUs in Space Vision about, what was this, like 12 months ago for the GPUs in space. And everyone thought he was absolutely insane. But every step he takes, every earnings report he takes, we're starting to see a different

pitchers start to form. And I'm not saying he's there yet. I just want to be very clear. I don't think we're anywhere near there, but this is a step in the right direction. And I think that, you know, after listening to the call yesterday and after seeing a lot of the reporting, I think he might be there. But of course, something that people are worried about is the unlock that is happening tomorrow. And I don't know if you have any thoughts on this, Josh, but like $100 billion is flooding the market. Yeah, well, I mean, there's going to need to be a lot of shares that are moving because SpaceX is also among the most shorted companies in the marketplace right now. So there's a lot of short positions on it. There's a lot of people that are bearish. there is a lot of unlocks happening. Whether or not those unlocks become Polish or bearish is TBD, but my expectation is like, I don't really care. Like as an investor over a long period of time, like, okay, maybe it sells off for the next couple days, maybe it sells off for the next week, maybe the next month. But I mean, the numbers are pretty amazing. And you could see what people

are getting scared. You mentioned the CAPEX. CapEx was 39% higher than what people thought. It came in at just under $18.5 billion, which NASA's like annual budget is $25 billion. So they spent almost the entirety of NASA's budget in a single quarter. That also means that they spend $2.35 for every dollar that they made in revenue. And you have to ask the question, like, where is that going? Why are they spending so much? Because this sounds like lunacy. If it's like, if you have, imagine a restaurant, you're investing in a restaurant and they come and they spend $23,000 a night, even though they're only making $10,000 a night. You say, what on earth is going on here? This makes no sense. But then they tell you, wait a second, we're, we're building out new restaurants.

We're building a higher profit margin menu items. And that's kind of what SpaceX is. doing on the data center front. So one of the smaller things that I think a lot of people overlooked is the fact that they already have a backlog of about $50 billion of revenue that's already signed. Like no one even has to pick up a phone and they're collecting $50 billion just because of their ability to build these data centers. And this is where we kind of talk about data centers for a second, which is they're like very much an unfair advantage. On the earnings call, I was listening to their CFO. Brett Johnson, I think his name is. He said that like all CAPEX isn't the same. Sun CAPX is much more lucrative than others. In the case of SpaceX,

It's about as lucrative as we've heard. A lot of companies, let's say you invest in an apartment building, and you build this huge piece of real estate. It takes about 15 to 20 years to pay itself back. SpaceX's data centers paid themselves back in a single calendar year. So in terms of return on invested capital, it's like this unbelievable arbitrage opportunity, where it feels like they have this unfair advantage,

being that they're the only ones that could build these data centers quickly and efficiently, and then go off and sell these huge, unbelievably large contracts to companies that can't do the same. And my favorite quote from the earnings call, my favorite one by far is what Elon was asked about terrestrial data centers. This is after he concluded about the space data centers, which we'll get up to in the minute. But the terrestrial data centers, he's like, this is like the New York Yankees playing in a little league. It feels like they're just night and day difference in terms of their ability to

execute on these things. And their return on the invested capital is huge. You can't buy a blackwell GPU, period. So that's why people are paying premiums. In fact, if you are currently signed to a Blackwell contract, you are trying to extend the length of that as much as you can because if it renews, it's going to renew at double the cost because the cost of this compute is so expensive. The only people that are able to build it at scale as quick as they do is SpaceX. And I mean, return on invested capital on an investment this large, being 12 months, you can very quickly see why their revenue models are guiding towards something closer to a trillion than where we currently are over the next four years or so.

It's unbelievable. Just to focus on the GPU point for a second, right? I think a lot of people are worried. The Duma's for the AI bubble say that the bubble is primarily formed in GPU CAPEX specifically. So all these trillions of dollars that is being committed and spent on Nvidia GPUs, AMD GPUs, whatever that might be, is where the bubble is inflating because these machines will eventually, you know, depreciate. They won't actually be in demand once the cost of tokens go down, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. What we've seen from every single quarterly earnings report from all of the major hyperscalers, which are the ones that are investing the most, including or aside to SpaceX.

So if you look at Amazon, Google, they're all reporting record revenue numbers. In fact, all their cloud service provider platforms like Azure, like Google Cloud, like AWS, not only is their revenue increasing by like, I think it's like 40 to 45 percent compounded every single quarter, by the way. That's every three months. I don't think people understand how absolutely insane that is. Not only is it compounding their revenue specifically, but their margins are expanding even more. So they're making more money on the money that they're earning, which is just like an insanely good business. So Elon saw this and was like, well, I have more GPUs than any of you and I'm building these data centers faster than any of you.

It would make sense for us to become like a neocloud service. And that's why he's selling upwards of $50 billion of AI compute to the likes of Anthropae, Google and whoever that might be going forward. So he's seen that it's a hugely profitable business. And what I love about one of the major announcers that he made yesterday is he came out and said, we are going to be exclusive to Jensen. We're going to be exclusive to Nvidia. And verbatim, he quotes, going forward with, decided to build exclusively on Nvidia because we think that the Vera Rubin architecture is the best architecture.

We think it's the best AI computer. And so we're going to be exclusive to Nvidia. Now, the craziest part about this is what he committed. to buying. He is basically going to double his existing or SpaceX's existing GPU fleet by the end of next year. I cannot emphasize enough how crazy of an attempt that's going to be. That is going to be in Nvidia's pocket. Let's say he pulls this off, right? Let's say he gets to the 10 gigawatts cumulative worth of GPUs by the end of next year. That is $200 billion from SpaceX alone in Nvidia's pocket by the end of next year. Now, let's be realistic. Let's say like, you know, He's at two and a half gigawatts. He'll get to three by the end of this year. Let's say he gets to like six gigawatts by the end of next year.

That is an extra $100 billion in Nvidia's pocket. He's going to be his number one customer, and he's taking a massive commitment with Jensen. And this is interesting because a few days earlier, Anthropics signed this major deal with AMD. They're signing major deals with other cloud service providers. Elon has basically said, Jensen, if you can guarantee me the allocation,

we will take the compute. And that is my commitment to you. going forwards, even when we launched them into space, right? So I'm just massively bullish on the cloud business, on the compute business that he's built. I think even if everything falls to the wayside, Elon still has a very profitable business and people are discounting that massively right now. This deal is pretty interesting to me, too. It's because we're seeing a lot of these accelerator chips. We're seeing like the training chips and the TPU chips from Google. And everyone's kind of focused, even Open AI is building their own vertically integrated chip. And it's interesting

to see SpaceX going the other direction. They're saying, well, we are going to build their own chips to some extent, but we're also going to work with Nvidia to use their new architecture. And we've talked a lot about how this new Blackwell era of models is unbelievable. The Vera Rubin era of models is going to probably be remarkable. And SpaceX will be using that exclusively, which is

very bullish because then I assume it works both ways, right? It's like, Nvidia gets this amazing showcase to share with the world. Like, hey, look what our GPS can do. Look how fast they can be deployed. And the SpaceX team gets a much more tighter feedback loop with the team when it comes to development of the software architecture, the hardware architecture, and I assume that's going to turn into like a pretty nice partnership from both of

these companies. I mean, both founders love each other. Both are at the top of their game. It's, it's very exciting to see this happen. And the tendency to plan eat as you were talking about how many gigawatts they were planning to deploy on the conference call, Elon initially said 10 by the end of 27. And then when people pressed him by the end of the decade, around 2030, he is guiding towards roughly 20 gigawatts of power with a floor of 15 gigawatts. So he's like, all right, well, even if everything goes wrong, we can at least get to 15 gigawatts. For reference, we've talked about this a lot, but like a singular gigawatts of power is equivalent to roughly 800,000 homes. It's like cities worth of power and they're planning to do 15 of these in the next four years.

Like, that's really fast. The other thing is, I mean, Jensen has his own kind of rule of thumb when it comes to deploying gigawatts of energy, he says you can guide for around $40 to $50 billion of annual revenue per gigawatt. So if SpaceX does get 15 gigawatts of solar capacity by the end of the decade, that alone is worth $600 to $750 billion of revenue. And that doesn't include the other pillars of this company, which are space and connectivity. So there's this like unbelievable bullcase, even if you disregard all of the other pillars of the business. But in addition to this, there are these pillars, like AI data centers in space, which again, they are being built with Jensen Huang and Nvidia. And the idea, I found this really interesting for their AI-1 satellites is they're basically

going to build the same thing on Earth as they are going to be in space. The only difference is they're going to put some solar panels on this bad boy and send it off into space. So this vertical integration of the hardware stack as it relates to terrestrial, as it relates to space, it's just remarkable. And then if they actually figure out how to get payload into space at scale, oh my God. Like you start to put the numbers together. You're like, wait a second. They actually could do this thing? And like, what is the stock going to be trading at if they get terrestrial data centers, 15 gigawatts online in four years? And also, they start putting mass into space at scale. Like, this is it going to be a pretty huge opportunity? The biggest critique that I hear from a lot of

you listeners that watch this show is that this vision, this plan is just too insane to pull off. And honestly, like, I agree with you. But you also have to look at the evidence of things that can actually make the company money that will help fuel Elon. and SpaceX getting to some of the more crazier visions, right? And one of the main ones is this compute revenue business that he's kind of showcasing and saying, hey, this thing makes money and we're going to be the biggest bettors on this, right? We're going to be able to pull this off. And if he's able to secure that capacity with the likes of Jensen and NVIDIA, and Jetson loves Elon Musk so much, he will be able to pull this off. Now, just to kind of translate kind of like what this

compute means for Elon, it's not just a way to kind of like earn money by selling compute to competitors. He's also very much using this to train some of the best AI models in the world. And of course, you might listen to that and laugh, but if you kind of like span out the timeline over the next kind of six to 12 months, the only thing that is consistent across every single model, different model architecture, whatever, like, you know, different weights that you use, it is compute. You need more compute to pre-train. You need so much more compute to post-train.

And then you need compute to serve this to people at like perfect speeds and quality of service, you just need more compute. And in order to do that, there's two things you need to look at. You need enough capital to buy the GPUs, but you also need enough capital to buy the best GPUs. Tuakash had an amazing blog post. I don't know if you read it, Josh. He basically said, the better the GPUs get, the better AI models these GPUs can unlock, which means that Nvidia will basically sell these GPUs to the highest bidder. Who are the highest bidder is going to be? I like this example. There's two companies, okay?

Company A wants to use 100,000 GPUs to cut down a bunch of, let's say, administrative workload at their company by 30%. That is a really meaningful impact, right? And they'll save a ton of money and they'll be able to generate millions of dollars. Great. But there's a problem.

Company B wants those same GPUs to train and cure cans, right, over a month. And they know that if they can do a one training run with their data, they'll be able to cure cancer. Who's going to bid more? It's going to be company B. So these GPUs are like very, very scarce. And at the end of the day, the people that have the most capital will buy those

GPUs and train the best models. They'll train the best features, product, services, whatever that might be. And Elon is at the front of all of this. It's not even Anthropic or Open Eye. He has secured the most allocation. He has the largest arsenal of GPUs right now. So it goes to say that he could potentially create the best air model, GROC 4.6, GROC 4.7, and GROC 5 is going to be coming out by the end of this year.

And he said it's going to be trained on all of SpaceX's data, which would technically make it like the best engineering air model. So there's a lot of these things that are kind of like in the oven. They're cooking and we don't quite see them right yet. But it's good to be just generally aware of. I don't know. I'm just very optimistic about like where this could be in six to 12 months. Yeah, there's a lot of really high quality shots on goal that they're taking where even if one completely and catastrophically fails, there's still many others that are doing well.

And it's funny hearing a space company talk about terrestrial data centers. They're talking about like they're actively trying to send these things into space that are actually trying to blow themselves apart. And it's just like how easy is it that you could just drop these things on Earth and it's easy and the atmosphere is easy to handle. And it just seems like going back to the baseball analogy, it's like when you go up to bat with like a weighted bat and then you use like a normal bat. And a normal bat is the data centers that are terrestrial.

And those will probably be used for training. When we think about training where latency, matters. Those are probably used for training. The satellite layer where there is like downlink latency happening. That's probably more for inference where latency matters a little bit less. But we're going to start to see this star-mind constellation launch as soon as next year. With Starlink version 3 being launched as soon as the next starship. So the plan for the next starship launch is to follow up what they did with the previous launch, which was get the Starlink B3 satellites into orbit. Now they're actually going to deploy them, put them in orbit, turn them on,

make them work. And that takes us to the Starlink part of the engine, which is pretty unbelievable as well. The growth curve of this service is the about as pure of an exponential curve as you can get. They double their subscribers year over year. They are now at 12 million. They just added 1.7 of those 12 million this quarter alone. So it is just a vertical hockey stick. And I think this is one of the more underrated parts of the earnings report. Gwen Shawwell, she had a lot or a little bit to say on this as it relates to the ability to deploy a network similar to a Verizon or AT&T. I mean, currently there's on Earth, there's about 5.5 billion users of the internet. So they are talking about being the pipeline for a large

majority of that and totally removing dead zones and making it direct to sell. And the Starlink mobile play, I think, is really interesting. I remember last year we recorded an episode where they bought a fixed amount of spectrum to start deploying once they have. Their plan seems to be that they are going to continue to buy these dedicated pieces of spectrum until they own enough bandwidth to truly compete. And then they have these ground base stations, which are able to kind of handle a lot of the bandwidth and work in higher density areas. And Winchotwell, all she said on the call is that they have a foundational competitive advantage and won't really go into the secrets and strategies that they're going to go with. But what I expect is that this time next year, on our iPhones, we will have like

pretty high bandwidth internet connectivity. And for that to happen that quickly seems like a very bullish thing to me. And it's just like, who wouldn't sign up for a service that has good internet anywhere in the world with no dead zones? I just went to National Park the last two weeks. I had no service at all. The only thing connected me was Starlink terminals here and there, but direct to sell would be such an awesome thing. And the business is growing so quickly. For context here, I couldn't reach Josh for like six to 12 hours at a time. It was absolutely insane. just in the dark, surrounded by sequoias and Redwoods. I thought he'd, you know, suffered some kind of fatal injury or something like that.

I was, what was that movie, the 100 hours or whatever, where, what was it? Oh, you get lost out there? Yeah. He gets lost out there. I was like, damn, is Josh okay? Listen, on the, on the Starling side of things, I think the thesis put very simply is, in a world where you have these AI models, these AI agents running 24-7 on GPUs, getting work done, you need reliability. And reliability sits in the modern day world on the internet. Now, you can't have

lines going down. You can't have connectivity issues. You can't have T-Mobile messing up some of their lines. What is some of the most consistent ways of beaming internet down? Well, you can do it via satellites, right? And I would love to have consistency with my provider as well. Like, to be honest, like, if I could have an affordable Starlink connection right now on my phone mobile package, I would move to that because then I could just use it on the plane or whatever that might be. So I don't think that this is just a temporary trend. I think this is something similar to AI, where everyone's just going to want consistent, strong, fast access to the internet. And Starlink is a very obvious win. And it goes back to my earlier point, which is Elon has his hands in a lot of different things,

and they're actually working. They're working well individually, but they're working well together as well. And we're going to see that in future quarterly earnings report. Right, IJAS, you mentioned agents. And speaking of agents, we have to talk about a sponsor of the show Ledger, Because if you are building with AI agents and you're worried about security, which a lot of people should be, I mean, we've had a lot of AI models recently that have broken out of their sandboxes. It's a little scary. An agent with untreked access is very scary. So Ledger has this three-step process to solve this in which an agent proposes, a human approves, and then a ledger signer enforces. This technology works with Claude Codex, cursor, all of the things that

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we need to talk about the bare case of all of this going on. Now, we've mentioned this on a previous episode. There is a very constricted supply of SpaceX stock that is available for people to currently trade. And the number one bit of critique is it's going to flood the gates tomorrow. Actually, as you're listening to this episode, it should be today on the sixth. $100 billion worth of SpaceX shares goes live. And the big question in everyone's mind is, where's the buying power coming for this? because to keep the price at its current level,

you need someone that is buying all of those shares, right? And what we've seen, and maybe this is reflected in the stock action today, is people don't believe that that will be the case. Now, whether they're thinking over a short-term period of time, whether they're thinking of a long-term period of time is another question. If you're common listeners of this show, you will know that Josh and I think on pretty mid-to-long-term time horizon. So we're kind of bullish in SpaceX over the long-term,

of the short-term. We kind of like don't care too much. We want to kind of like see it as an opportunity to access it. But nevertheless, it is a concern or worry. Yeah. No, I understand why people are concerned and worried. And in fact, I remember viscerally feeling this with the Tesla story. Because Tesla, a lot of people don't know, was the most shorted company in the stock exchange for two or three years. Like everyone was just pounding on. It was just the most diabolical company ever. Like no one was going to. It was never going to work. And now I haven't driven a car in like a couple years. And these seemingly sci-fi impossible things that are sold, a lot of people are

uncertain of their ability to happen. And that's like totally fair. There's the key man risk in the sense that like there is a singular person at the helm who is in charge of driving all this value. That is a serious risk. There is the risk on timelines. Oftentimes these timelines are very optimistic. Is there actually going to be 15 gigawatts of compute deployed by 2030? If there's not, what does the revenue look like? But even if these things are fractionally wrong, The trajectory of this company is one way. And when I think about other companies, it's like, as a person who has like cash, if you have any cash sitting in a bank account, you have a problem because that cash needs to earn

money, otherwise you're going to get outpaced by inflation. And when you think of the places to deploy that cash where the upside is the greatest and most exciting and most aligned with like an optimistic vision of the future, it's hard to find something more interesting and exciting and mispriced than something like SpaceX is. And it's not like things aren't working. Like we are seeing progress. The Starship launches you can go and watch. You could literally go to Texas and sit on the highway and watch them in person, and they get better every time.

And the heat shield, which is the biggest part of rapid reusability, finally works for the first time ever with the last Starship launch. And soon they're going to land both parts of the rocket. And then at the very least, that means they'll be able to deploy Starlink version 3 satellites at scale. These things are already built. It's just a matter of a few more iterations to getting there. the data centers thing, we saw that they have a tremendous amount of data center capability to build these things quickly. So they can do it. Can they build 15 gigawatts worth? We don't know. But currently, I mean, I'm looking at the stock right now, it looks like it is trading down

at the time of recording right now, about 9% down to $115 as the unlocks are happening today. And that seems to me just fine. It's like, okay, $1.5 trillion. That is about, I don't know, a little more than one-tenth of their expected revenue in four years. It is very, very, highly risky in the case that they can figure out how to actually convert that into revenue and actually deliver on these timelines. There's no way this doesn't go absolutely nuclear. So it's mostly a matter of if, not when, or perhaps if and when. It's just like I understand. I could understand the case for both people, um, for the bulls and for the bears. I think just as someone who has a very low time preference, uh, seeing the progress that's being made and just very clearly mapping that out,

It seems very obvious to me that barring any catastrophic problems, this is just going to be a one-way trajectory up. And sure, there will be bumps along the way. Sure, maybe there are unlocks and it sells off another 10% for a couple more times. But the reality is that a company five years from now, who is just continuing on this trajectory without any of these optimistic outlooks, is worth more than the company that they are today. And that's just kind of what I'm basing all this off of. There's a key man risk with all of this, which is, can Can Elon focus all of his attention to actually be able to pull this off? Does he have the chops to basically execute on the vision that he's kind of laid out on his earnings call? That's pretty much the main thing that you have to kind of like believe in. The other thing is on the point of like below time horizon, I think that you can equally be very bullish SpaceX over the long term and be bearish over the short term. And that could be an opportunity for you. It just depends on like how you want to frame it. Like for example, you might want to wait. and see how the share unlocks happen over the next couple of months.

I think something like 25 to 36% of the entire share supply gets unlocked in that period of time. Maybe you expect to see a lot of volatility during that time, and maybe that's like the time for you to kind of like load up to your point earlier, Josh. Like Tesla was one of the most shorted stocks ever, and it was that case for two to three years. And maybe we'll see a similar profile for SpaceX. You know, these valuations are huge. Society is very unaware or uncomfortable with these.

large numbers and we saw the same transition when we saw the first $100 billion company, right? So meta went through this, Uber privately went through this as well, and so we're probably going to see the same on SpaceX in particular. But I agree with the trajectory in general. I think these companies are going to do very well. SpaceX has a very bright future ahead of it. And to be honest, in terms of like where the risk curve is, it is on the furthest end out there. Like, Elon could be doing this with just one company, but he's doing this with like four or five combined into one. And now there's like rumors that like they might merge with Tesla might become a whole kind of like megacorp type situation. So if that plays out, there's going to be even more scrutiny that's going to be placed on him.

But overall, I think I am very bullish long term. But maybe over the short term, I'm going to say that I'm tentative. I'm sitting there with my cash and seeing whether there is a better time to deploy. And we'll see over the next couple of weeks. Yeah, you just maybe don't want to miss the repricing. I'm looking at that Tesla chart between 2020 and 2021 and how the stock 30. X'd over the course of a year as it ripped in like the largest short squeeze ever. If you go to the all-time chart, that 2020 to 2021 is a pretty violent repricing. And that's just the world coming

to grips with the fact that the technology and the thesis actually played out. In the case that that does happen again, that's the expectation. But there's lots of reasons to be bearish. I mean, just today, for reference, there's 911 million shares unlocking. That's $100 billion of potential cell site pressure. They guided for 39% higher Kappex this year. with no guidance given for next year, which is interesting. They didn't guide to where CAPEX is. So that's a huge unknown. There's the average revenue per user compression on the Starlink side,

where Starlink revenue per user fell 22% as they doubled year over year because they're trying to move into cheaper international markets. So even though the subscribers are doubling, their revenue per user is decreasing. So there's a lot of these definitely things to look out for. But on the upside, I think of like moats and competition. Peter Thiel's the big monopoly guy. they have a monopoly on so many different industries, even if one of them works.

This is a remarkable outcome for a one and a half trillion dollar company. So that's, I think it. That's the SpaceX update. That's the earnings report. I don't know, trying to be a little sober about how we view this. But like, God damn,

there's no company in the world that's more exciting than this one. It's so sick. I know. Okay, sure. The mass driver's on the moon, like, that's a long shot. That's going to be like,

I'll be excited to live through that and hopefully see that one day. But today, today, Starlink, incredible. Starship, incredible. Their ability to deploy data centers at scale and break even after just 12 months. Incredible. There's no one else that can manufacture at the scale. So just in terms of manufacturing monopolies, it seems to me like there's China and then there is Tesla and SpaceX. And that's kind of the people who are most able to move

the amount of atoms in a coherent way that generates value. And that is worth a lot. So yeah, I think that's everything. That's the SpaceX update. This went pretty long. If you listen to this, if you made it this far, like, please let us know how crazy this sounds to you. Like, is this a little too far over indexed on one side? Or is this? Please. Yeah. Let's hear it either way.

What's the strategy around SpaceX? How are we thinking about this $1.5 trillion company? Because listen, we're going to come back here a couple years on the show and we're going to reference this episode and be like, told you so. Or maybe not. Maybe we'll be poor. Maybe Starship will have blown up and everything exists. But you know what?

We just wouldn't have a camera in front of us. Yeah. Yeah, I'd have to point off my camera. So that might be worst case scenario. But yeah, that's the episode. Thank you so much for watching. You does any final part in thoughts before we let everyone go. Yeah, no. If you are listening to us and you aren't subscribed to us, please, please do. It helps us out massively, whether you're on Apple Music or Spotify.

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