Limitless: An AI Podcast - OpenAI Just Acquired OpenClaw: Why This Is A Huge Deal

Episode Date: February 16, 2026

OpenAI just acquired OpenClaw, the fastest-growing open-source AI project in history, only 82 days after it was created. This isn’t just another AI tool: OpenClaw is a personal agent that c...onnects to your apps and actually does things for you, signaling the beginning of the end of the chatbot era. In this episode of Limitless, we break down the OpenAI vs Meta bidding war, why Anthropic fumbled, and why this might be the iPhone moment for AI agents.------🌌 LIMITLESS HQ ⬇️NEWSLETTER:    https://limitlessft.substack.com/ FOLLOW ON X:   https://x.com/LimitlessFTSPOTIFY:             https://open.spotify.com/show/5oV29YUL8AzzwXkxEXlRMQAPPLE:                 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/limitless-podcast/id1813210890RSS FEED:           https://limitlessft.substack.com/------TIMESTAMPS00:00 OpenAI Acquires OpenClaw02:22 Meta vs OpenAI Offers08:02 The Next Generation Of OpenClaw12:19 The 10 Phase Rollout17:14 Life As A Video Game------RESOURCESJosh: https://x.com/JoshKaleEjaaz: https://x.com/cryptopunk7213------Not financial or tax advice. See our investment disclosures here:https://www.bankless.com/disclosures⁠

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Starting point is 00:00:00 It seemed like just last week we were discussing whether we would call OpenClaw claw bot or Moldtbot. And fast forward to this week, and OpenClaw has been acquired by OpenAI and Sam Altman. This could be the very first single person billion dollar AI company. 82 days ago, this company didn't even exist. There was no such thing as OpenClaught. And fast forward to today, and it has been acquired by the biggest AI lab in the world. This is by far the fastest growing project in history. And one that has taken the world by storm.
Starting point is 00:00:26 This is all my timeline has been talking about all week. It's huge, and there are so many developments going on with different companies who were trying to bid for this. Zuck was involved, Sam Wattman was involved too, clearly won, but there was a lot of backstory as to how this actually happened and how he got here. Yeah, Peter might officially be the first one-person company that is worth a billion dollars, built all by his little agent minions. Unbelievable. This is the most important acquisition that Open AI has made today, and I'm not underselling that at all. Sam announced, as my weekend was winding down last night, Peter Steinberger is joining OpenAI to drive the next generation of personal agents. He's a genius with a lot of amazing ideas about the future of very smart agents. And of course, Peter is the founder behind OpenClaw, formerly called Monplot and all those millions of other names that you just mentioned. The cool part about OpenClaw is that it's a personal AI agent that runs locally on your device. And the difference between a chat bot like ChatGBT and OpenClaw is that you can connect. connected to all your apps, tools, messaging apps, and just talk to it like a normal person,
Starting point is 00:01:30 and it actually just goes off and does something. In fact, you can even take it to the extent where you just go to bed, set it up with a bunch of tasks, and then go to bed, sorry. And then it just ends up doing a bunch of stuff that you wake up to in the morning, and it feels like you're like being super productive overnight, which is just awesome. And so now Open AIA has made the big move of acquiring this project. But what I got instantly worried about was this is an open source project. and it is like one of the quickest growing ones. So for centralized companies buying it, does this mean a sell officially closed source?
Starting point is 00:02:00 The good news is that it's not. It's going to be put into a proper structure in Pete's words that I'm working on making it into a foundation. And they've already started appointing independent members of this board. So it seems like open AI has gone from being categorized as actually a closed AI company back into their open source routes. It's super cool to say. And in 82 days, nonetheless. The 82 days number is pretty remarkable. because we frequently talk about the rate of change in the world of AI.
Starting point is 00:02:27 And three months ago, this project didn't exist. And now it is not only the most important project, but it has been acquired by one of the, acquired by one of the biggest labs in AI. The story of it is huge. And hearing the backstory of how we actually got here, I found to be really interesting. Because just recently, Peter was on the Lex Friedman podcast. And he had a great conversation about OpenClaw as a project and also a little bit of behind the scenes of how we wound up at this deal, which I thought was fascinating.
Starting point is 00:02:52 And what we discovered throughout that interview was that Open AI wasn't the only bidder. I mean, as it's expected, but the other bidder may be a little surprising. What I found out is it wasn't Anthropic clearly because Anthropic didn't want him to have the name Claudebot, and they kind of sent legal letters to them. But the other bidder was Zuck and Meta, and they placed a real bid. So what happened was Peter went to Silicon Valley last week, and he spent the week there. And throughout his time there, he met with a bunch of labs. The two that stood out the most to him was Open AI and Meta. And watching this clip that we're showing on screen here, I found the most interesting thing
Starting point is 00:03:28 was how he described the way that each one of the companies approached him and tried to kind of convince him to come and work for the company. And what was fascinating is after I watched this clip, I thought he was going to go with meta because the way he described Zuck was very connected in what Peter is interested in. So he said one of the first conversations that he had with Zuck, Zuck picked up the phone and he was like, hey, here's what I like and here's what I don't like about OpenClaught. I've actually been using it every day. I think you can improve it this way. They had a conversation comparing Claude Codex. And I think he really felt the connection with Zuck. And it's funny to hear, Zuck is still really in the trenches working through this things, playing with the new tools. And at that time, I thought that Meadow is going to be the case. But it turns out that was not it. And Open AI wound up being the winner. I think a big part of that is Codex. It seemed very clear in this interview that Peter loved Code. and he loves using it, and he wanted the resources of maybe just having unlimited tokens and a pretty have-to paycheck from Open AI, so long as the project stays open source, like you mentioned.
Starting point is 00:04:28 And that is the, that is kind of where it's going to rest, is in open-source place, not directly connected to Open AI, but you have to assume there are going to be some ties, right? I think so. I mean, it's important to understand that he isn't strapped for cash. Peter is a former founder that exited his company for 100 million euros, which, which is roughly equitable to, I think, $150 million. So he came out of retirement and started this project 82 days ago and has grown it into the fastest growing open source,
Starting point is 00:04:59 or fastest growing AI project, actually, that's ever existed so far. So, you know, he had his pick of the crop. The other company that I feel like he messed up with is the company that he kind of named the original project over, Claude Bot after Anthropics Claude Model. And this title here is like, calling it Anthropics' generational fumble, because he basically describes how
Starting point is 00:05:21 Anthropic was the first people to send a lawsuit, basically, telling him to change the name of the project because it too closely resembled their model. You mentioned just now that OpenClawe uses Codex, but originally the instance relied heavily on Claude itself. And so it's interesting to now see that Anthropic had the option
Starting point is 00:05:42 to make the best PR stunt ever and acquire this project, and probably adopt a really loyal base of software engineers that have led to like this meteoric. Where's this chart, Josh? This meteoric growth of adoption. What you're looking on your screen right now is a highlight of why this is the fastest growing open source project. If you go onto the GitHub repo, you can star a project as a software engineer that uses this repo. And the line is absolutely exponential.
Starting point is 00:06:11 The craziest part is that this is outdated. It is now officially, yeah, it's surpassed. 200,000, which puts it just under Facebook React and above Linux, which is just insane. Yeah, the growth is remarkable. It's startling how fast it's gotten. And to an extent, I think it's important that it stayed unacquired during this time. Because had, like, Anthropic bought it, had opening, I bought it earlier before it kind of reached this huge amount of, like, kinetic energy, I'm not sure it would have grown to the size that it did. And the fact that it was able to, to be the Wild West for a little while,
Starting point is 00:06:48 be this fun developer playground. I mean, it still is, but now it's associated with the brand. I think that was really important to that growth. Yes, agreed. Okay, this might be a hot take, but I think that we potentially might be hyping the FUD or the fear a little too much. I do think that Anthropics watching this very closely. I was disappointed that they didn't immediately launch an open-claw kind of competitor
Starting point is 00:07:10 well before this acquisition. It was pretty clear when we covered it on our last episode that it was a hot, and people were very interested in doing cool things with this. It was actually how agents were meant to act. And so it's weird that Anthropic hasn't created their own version for this, but I assume Anthropic and Meta are going to launch individual versions of this themselves, right? Meta acquired Manus AI agent, which prior to OpenClaw was the best agent platform out there for $2 billion, which also gives us another hint as to how much Peter just got acquired for. So I feel like this might just be hype in the moment, and maybe these platforms will create their own versions soon?
Starting point is 00:07:48 Do you agree? Yeah, I think that's probably right. I hope that this post that we're reading is wrong. And it says that Anthropic launches a much better version of OpenClaught in the next two weeks while Open AI does nothing. Because I think part of the importance of this acquisition is that we'll start to see this rolled out in ways that are very accessible. So I've been playing around with OpenClaw for a few weeks now on and off.
Starting point is 00:08:11 And one of the most difficult things for me has just been the maintenance of it. I find that there are a lot of. of bugs. You run into a lot of issues. In fact, just last night, I was telling each other's, before we recorded, I had my open claw, like, update itself. I was just like, good night. Overnight, like, could you do me a favor and just like update yourself? And then it never woke up. I messaged it in the morning. My little baby Ash, and Ash is dead. I got to go, like, figure out how to debug, how to like bring the bot back online because clearly something happened overnight during the update process. And I think it's still a very technical
Starting point is 00:08:40 process. The outputs can be valuable. It can automate a lot of your life. It can really change a lot of the tasks that you do on a daily basis and automate them to a point where you may not even need an assistant, but it still takes a good amount of technical know-how to understand how to navigate this, to integrate these things, to work through a command line to get this installed. And it's not exactly approachable for a lot of people. And that's why we're seeing the tutorials. There's so many tutorials because no one knows how to do it. No one knows how to do it the right way. And what I'm hoping for is through this acquisition and through now the the virality of this agentic model complex.
Starting point is 00:09:14 We'll start to see some guardrails placed on this in a way that's integrated into an app like chat chbt or cloud co-work on steroids that allows you to experience what this is like without the technical difficulties, without security holes, without a lot of the, just like kind of difficult and challenging things with open source.
Starting point is 00:09:31 Yeah, I think it's a really good point. And I think that's the whole point of open air acquiring this startup or this project. They're going to turn it into, something more user-centric and easy for people to adopt. They're going to put... Oh, and that's so exciting. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:45 They're going to curate it into a wonderful user experience, maybe give it a dash of the Apple touch, and it's going to be super easy for anyone and everyone to use, including any of your family members that have no idea what is going on in AI. The other reason is, okay, like, I'm going to put my hands up here and say that I've been kind of bearish open AI recently, just purely for like how slow they've been dragging their feet. But over the last literal two weeks, they've picked their feet up.
Starting point is 00:10:10 they have the number one coding model, and that's not just a claim. It is like many people jumping from using code to OpenAIs, Codex 5.3. They now realize that they don't want to get left behind again. And they're realizing this multi-agent orchestration, this personal agent world, is very much going to be a thing. So they made the big bold move of acquiring and convincing Peter to join them and help them fulfill this mission. So it's actually incredibly bullish. And I think part of how this evolves is that Open AI is very much going to keep open-claw, open source, I think that's part of the magic behind all of this. But it not only is it like a really good PR boost, because Open AI a few weeks ago, or rather a month ago, transitioned from being an open foundation into something that resembles kind of a closely limited corporation. So they needed to regain that open source nature, but also people are just going to download and access chat GPT to get access to this agent thing. So it's a win-win on either side. And their user adoption has been growing massively. I saw, I think, yesterday that, that their codecs users has like tripled.
Starting point is 00:11:13 Their weekly users have tripled over the last week, which is just insane to see. Yeah, I'm hoping that this will accelerate the speed in which they at least come up with an OpenAI co-work feature, right? Yes. I still, it's funny, even with OpenClaught, I find myself defaulting to Cloud Co-Work because it does have the computer control,
Starting point is 00:11:29 but it has all the guardrails and the interface that makes it easy and secure to use. And I'm hoping that what we get with OpenAI in this new acquisition is we get OpenAI Co-Werk, where it's it's clawed, cloud bot or open claw on guardrails, where it has a very clear trajectory. It makes it easy for people to use because I think the magic of it is awesome. There's, it's called a heartbeat where every 30 minutes it checks in. It's proactive.
Starting point is 00:11:53 It does the test that you want. You could train it to create skills. You could download other people's skills. It's very fun, but again, it's challenging. So open eye integrating this is huge. And it seems like we have a really cool post here that shows the phases in which we can maybe expect this rollout to happen. Yeah. So you mentioned it, you described it pretty well earlier, where you said, like, it's good, but it's still very technically heavy. You need to understand how to run a CLI and a bunch of other things. And so that's kind of the phase that we're in right now, right? Where it's being used by hackers at home or phase two where like some of these instances are hosted in the cloud. I believe your instance itself is hosted in the cloud, right, Josh? And then we get to like phase three and phase four, which I believe Open AI is now going to take OpenClaw into, which is kind of like verticalized bundles or multimodal
Starting point is 00:12:38 orchestration. So anyone can kind of like, you know, you don't have to set it up yourselves. You can just click a few buttons and open areas like, hey, like we have your own personal agent. It can run personally on your laptop. Here's some of the tools or apps that exist that you message on, that you kind of interact with your calendar, your email, your browser. We can just connect it for you and you just tell us what you wanted to do and we'll make sure it doesn't go rogue. We'll make sure that it doesn't spend thousands of dollars from your bank account. We'll make sure that it does exactly what you need to with guardrails around it. And I think that's what phase three and phase four will happen pretty soon in the next like couple of weeks or even
Starting point is 00:13:11 months. But Josh, the thing that excites me the most is all the phases after that because the vision for this type of an agent experience isn't for it to just live on your computer. It's meant to live wherever you are and do whatever you want it to do. So it could be leisure, but it could also be work. You could have phase five, an agent as an employee. You could have phase six where the employers themselves run it as a SaaS product, right? So now you've got to pay to get access to specific agents that do things for you. So it's kind of like agents for hire in a way. And that leads to a bunch of different things like outcome-based pricing and a different
Starting point is 00:13:43 agent layer. We're getting ahead of ourselves here. But it's just a really exciting future. And I think this might be the start of something incredibly big, especially since like multi-agent models have become so popular over the last six months. Yep. I'm so excited for this because it very much feels like the beginning of the end of the chatbot era. And I think so much of AI has been, we've been complaining about this forever,
Starting point is 00:14:03 that it's just contained to a single. text box and a chat box interface where you have all this intelligence, but you're not really sure how to extract value out of it. And what this does is it, it forces these AI companies to really face that problem head on. I think one of the most impressive things about OpenClaught, the reason why it works so well is because you can interface with it as if it's a friend on your phone through your text messages, through I message, you just chat with this thing, and then it's a proactive operating system on top of it. And this feels like the next iteration of Mac OS. It feels like the next iteration of Windows. This is like the very very very very
Starting point is 00:14:34 early signs of what an AI-first operating system looks like. And this is how it gets built. It starts open-source and messy, kind of like what Linux is, kind of like Ubuntu. And then it builds these like kind of programs and the stack on top of it that creates the structure that adds value to your life. And it's what other companies have been trying to do forever. Like Open AI with their predictive feature, I forget the name of that, like tells you what you missed overnight and thinks really hard. Pulse. It's like, pulse. Yeah, everyone's kind of been trying this, but no one's nailed it. And I think OpenCla is the first instance of that really working at scale. So seeing that rolled out to a point where we can just kind of message our super intelligence
Starting point is 00:15:10 and it knows everything about us and it could proactively help us through our lives. It's so cool. And OpenCla is a huge step forward. And the fact that it's saying open source is great. The fact that Open AI now has every incentive in the world to integrate it is great. And again, the users are the winners here. Yeah. I think if you want to have a single sentence or takeaway from this episode as to where all of this ends up, it is this. Apps are dead. The future of interacting with AI or anything digitally native is going to be
Starting point is 00:15:38 via agents or assisted by agents. There is no pass-through. You're going to advertise to agents. That will be your kind of like conduit to get into the digital world. It's really funny because as vibe coding has taken off with things like code and codex, iOS has, iOS App Store specifically,
Starting point is 00:15:55 has recorded a record number of apps launching through the app store. I think Android Play Store has seen the same as well. But the point that Peter's making here is that it's not going to be about apps in the future. Those are just going to be tools that agents access in the future. And the UX is going to be primarily through your agent. And it's going to be but very smooth. And hopefully these acquisitions like,
Starting point is 00:16:15 hopefully these acquisitions like meta acquiring Manus and OpenA acquiring OpenClau is going to result in those curated experiences. Yeah. And a funny question we could both ask ourselves is, of the millions of new apps that are here in the app store, how many have you downloaded? Zero. None. It's like the apps are valuable, but only the good ones. And there's a lot of ones that aren't good. And a lot of people just have custom use cases that they want for these AIs to create. So yeah, there will probably be, I mean, the continuation of valuable apps,
Starting point is 00:16:45 but a lot of the new stuff is really just kind of experimental garbage. I mean, slop, you could call it. And yeah, very bullish on the agentic system kind of building its own interface to suit you. And I think that's what we're headed towards. Before we started recording, you mentioned, that you have a bunch of your friends that in a gaming chat and they're playing games, this entire open core experience feels like a game. Like, you literally have skills that you can train your agent on and equip it with, and then you just kind of let it run loose in this massive open world where it interacts with other agents and sometimes humans.
Starting point is 00:17:17 But it's actually in the real world and with real worth use, which is just insane. It's very cool. Because, I mean, at the end of the day, the interface is the command line. Like, you're just chatting in a telegram message. like in your iMessage text. It's very simple and your only job is to, it's like a tomogachi on steroids. You just want to train this thing
Starting point is 00:17:36 to be as effective as possible. And it's as open-ended as you wanted to be. You could custom-build anything. And that's the beauty of projects like this and how they just push things forward. And I think that's at the core of the virality is just how open-ended this is. And people are now discovering
Starting point is 00:17:50 what type of use cases you can develop from using these AI systems in different ways through agents like OpenClaw. So incredible news for the users, incredible news for Open AI, for Peter, congratulations. This is a huge acquisition in the world of AI. And yeah, that's the update. Yeah, that's the 25-minute update. We hope you enjoyed it. I think this week is going to be a bit of an open-claw week, right, Josh? We've got more to talk about. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're going to get into some demos. Oh, God.
Starting point is 00:18:16 Yeah, one thing that a lot of people, myself included, are kind of asking is, well, is this for me, and if it is, how do I use it? And what are actual use cases that I could use from it? So we might do of episode strictly on that, just talking about the tape of value you can get from this open-ended black box. So I think that, I would expect that to come in the next day or two. Let's cut through the hype, I think, on that episode and actually get into like what these people are using it for and how you can use it in your real-time taste. Yes, that's going to be the next episode. It's going to be a demo-focused episode. And it'll actually cut through all the crap and tell you how this thing is actually useful for you and how you can get used to it today.
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