Limitless Podcast - Nano Banana and ChatGPT Group Chats Will Change How We Use AI

Episode Date: November 25, 2025

Google's Nano Banana and ChatGPT's Group Chats are reshaping communication and creativity. ChatGPT integrates their models into texting for collaborative planning, disrupting traditional messaging apps. Meanwhile, Google’s Nano Banana Pro is by far the best text-to-image generator that we've seen so far.------🌌 LIMITLESS HQ: LISTEN & FOLLOW HERE ⬇️https://limitless.bankless.com/https://x.com/LimitlessFT------TIMESTAMPS0:00 Intro1:14 Josh's A-List Wedding3:32 Nano Banana Pro12:31 ChatGPT Group Chats19:22 Social Interactions with AI25:00 The Competitive Landscape26:04 What's Next------RESOURCESJosh: https://x.com/JoshKaleEjaaz: https://x.com/cryptopunk7213------Not financial or tax advice. See our investment disclosures here:https://www.bankless.com/disclosures⁠

Now you've all heard of chat GPT. At some point, everyone's used an AI chat bot now. But what if I told you this week, not one, but two brand new AI tools just dropped that will change the way you interact with AI on a daily basis. The first was released by open AI called Group Chats, which, in my opinion, is going to kill iMessage. It's going to change text and group messaging forever. And the second is called Nanobanana Pro released by none other than Google themselves,

their new text-to-image generation model powered by the Almighty. and all-powerful Gemini Pro 3. There's so much to unpack with these tools, so I want to get right into it. But Josh, I haven't seen you in a while. For context of the listeners, Josh and I have been traveling this entire week. So I haven't caught up with Josh.

Josh, like, what's been going on? I've had a really, really good week. A huge week in my life, very exciting times. I think it's probably time to share with the audience, kind of like what's been going on more behind the scenes of my personal life, if that's cool with you. I shared a few photos, but if you don't mind, us walking through them.

Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, married this weekend, which was really exciting. Yeah, I just, I'm not sure if you knew that I am friends with quite a few celebrities, Beyonce, Tom Cruise. Josh, what the hell? Yeah. Is that Kendall Jenner?

Are you going to congratulate me or are you just going to stare? Wait, dude, I'm just looking through these picks. There's another one, yeah, down the aisle. Okay. It's a very beautiful wedding, very grateful to have people like Beyonce around with me, Leo DiCaprio, you know, all the homies. Oh, she's getting too far ahead, man. It's the after party.

I mean, the after party was great. It was in good company. We had Elon Sundar, Tim Cook, all of, you know, all of the homies. They were all just kind of hanging out afterwards, talking shop, talking about it, the future of AI. And then honeymoon afterwards, which was pretty eventful. I really enjoyed that. Yeah, went to the beach. Where were you?

Had a good time. Undisclosed location, you know, when you roll with high, high people like that, you can't really talk about what you were doing. But also, just kidding, this is all AI, because there's the photo with Elon as well. And this is just like, so while we were preparing for this episode, I was like, well, let's just try to use nanobanana and come up with some dumb, funny stuff. And it works so well. This is a fully AI generated version. Granted, they gave Elon, Elon probably a couple more packs on his gut than he really has in person. It looks great. And it's a testament to, not to scale. It's a testament to how amazing these new AI image generation models are. They are fantastic. This is the official announcement release from Sundar. Nanobanana Pro is out. The images you just saw earlier. Those are all done with a single prompt in Nanobanana. We mentioned it in the roundup last week, but I figured it would be good to have an episode about this and the group chats because there's a lot more than I think we spoke about.

And as I've used it more, I've started to learn a lot more about the capabilities. And it is blowing my mind across the spectrum. One of the things that's unique to the new model is that it's really good at understanding diagrams, for some reason. Diagrams is the hot new use case. So we have a lot of examples that we can walk through. One of them is with Notebook LM. This is Google's AI tool that integrates with nanobananation.

and it shows an infographic to a book. So this is an author who posted this. And the author has a story that he tells through the book. So what notebook does, it ingests the content of the book, turns it into a visual graphic, and then plots all of the plot, like the plot elements and the characters and the context all onto a map. So you could kind of see how the book is visually.

And yeah, you can keep going to these examples. And if you're not listening, I highly suggest going to Spotify or YouTube watching this because the examples are are pretty incredible. These are cool. Yeah. Have you had a chance to play around with this at all? The new model?

I actually haven't. So this dropped, what, like three days ago now, Josh? Very recently. So I haven't been able to get around to it. But I have to say, like, I'm comparing this. My other checkpoint was with Nano Banana version one. And this is just so much better. I mean, the fidelity on these things,

the intricacies of these diagrams. Like, I wish I had these, where my mind jumps right now is like, I wish I had these back at school, like high school or college, because this would help me learn things in so many different ways. This is awesome. Wow. It's cool. And if you have a book that you like, you can just upload the book and it will create a full visual diagram plotline, the whole thing of the book. And it doesn't stop there. There's an example that I saw that I loved, which was for LinkedIn, people who are looking for jobs, people who want to kind of show their career path. This is an infographic trend where you can upload your LinkedIn to Nanobanana, and it will create a career path.

for you. It's already a better product than LinkedIn, Josh. Oh, yeah, right. How cool is this? So what you're seeing on screen here is like, okay, the person started maybe in high school or college. It shows the railroad track how they're going through their career. It looks like they're at Google from 2009 to the present. And you could really, you could see in a very fun visual way, all the accomplishments they've done, their kind of journey through their career. It's really, really cool. And in a way, this is a much more exciting LinkedIn resume. And I think it's probably a testament to the new creative unlocks that we'll see as people start to learn more about nano-banana and understand how it works. Just like how impressively fun it can be across the spectrum.

If you're looking for a job, this is a great way to stand out. Josh, what about this? This is insane. So for those of you who are listing, these are all my friends. These are old of Josh's friends who, funnily enough, turned up to his fake wedding. I'm actually upset that you aren't actually with Kendall Jenna because you guys look like so great couple in that image. I'm sure many people are going to. Give that to go. But right now, I'm staring at an image of a bunch of celebrities on the rooftop of what looks to be some kind of penthouse apartment building. And we have Iron Man, we've got Tony Stark, we've got Wolf of Wall Street, Leo DiCaprio, we've got Zendaya in the Spider-Man costume.

What happened to Tom Holland? We've got Beyonce, J-Lo, so many people. What is going on here? You know what it is, Josh? It's so, like, strikingly accurate. It's way more accurate. It's less fake. Like, I'm looking at these and I'm like, you know what?

If I was looking at this from afar, this would be totally convincing if this was posted on social media. Mm-hmm. And this is a one shot prompt, too. This was one prompt. It didn't even list the celebrities. It just asked for celebrities. And it gave them all of these. I think one of the fun things that we're starting to see with image generation models is the ability to use people.

A lot of these examples, they use actual faces, actual people. And previously, that hasn't really been possible in these image gen models. So they're slowly lowering the threshold of what's acceptable, or I guess slowly raising the threshold of what's acceptable in terms of what types of content you could create using these models. And I guess eventually it poses some questions. You said the scary word copyright or trademark or likeness. As you could start to use these more and more with more accuracy,

it does feel like a bit of a slippery slope, but I'm loving it because it's just so much fun to play around with. So if you remember when SORA 2, which is Open AI's text to video app, so it's like TikTok AI generated videos, when it first launched, it was using celebrity media to create a bunch of cameos. Do you remember this? I was looking at Jake Paul. I was looking at Tom Cruise. I was looking at a bunch of these celebrities that we're looking on our screen right now in a video with me or with my friends. And I was like, this is strikingly realistic. This is super cool. But eventually they started disabling a bunch of the abilities to cameo with. those celebrities because of the copyright things. I'm now wondering how Google is able to kind of

pull this off, right? Because I can imagine that some of these celebrities in this picture will be fine with doing that. But other celebrities probably would hate that. So I'm curious how they're going to tread that line as to what's legal and what's illegal here. I really hope they keep their foot on the gas because I'm enjoying this. But I just you also mentioned education, learning as a ways to learn. There are tons of educational tools here. This one being one of my favorites. The post says until a few hours ago, creating this kind of scientific image would have required at least an hour of professional work. Now with Nanobanana Pro, it takes a simple prompt and less than 30 seconds. The prompt was described in an illustration the events for a psiotoxic

T cell recognizing and killing a cancer cell. And it created this beautiful graphic that very clearly shows how a cell can kill a cancer cell. And I think it's just this really big unlock where, particularly if you're a visual learner, you could ask the model to describe to you basically anything. you want and it can create these educational visual graphics that used to be only available to people in textbooks and limited in scope to whatever the textbook was talking about. This on the other hand does not. It's fully open-ended and yeah, this is another example here. So on the screen we're seeing this kind of diagram that shows a horse's mouth and the teeth. And apparently this is what I just learned today is that you can determine a horse's age by its teeth. And in a single prompt,

it was able to generate a visual guide that shows you on a spectrum, how, you can't be able to be able to old a horse would be based on what the teeth look like. And I find this so fascinating and so useful because if there's anything you ever want to learn about, not only can you do it, but you can get a completely high fidelity, high accuracy, visual graphic on anything and then share that with the world. So I imagine like marketplaces for this could hopefully show up where textbooks now are much more accessible. Visual graphics are much more accessible. Art in general is much more accessible, but just learning. And being able to have this visual companion tool is so cool. So Nato Banana Pro, again, This is just like the onion that keeps getting peeled back there are so many layers to what it's capable of.

And as we go, we'll just continue to find more. And I'm loving playing around with it. Yeah. I mean, being such a visual learner myself, I could have really used and will continue to use something like this going forward when I learn any brand new concept. Like when I was, if I go back to the tweet where it's like showing how this T-cell kills a cancer cell, I've read so many paragraphs in my grade school literature. literature books, science books explaining how this works. But if I had this kind of like clear, succinct image for every single concept that I didn't understand,

I'd probably have done a lot, lot better. So this is super cool. I'm excited about how this kind of like changes performance for kids growing up with AI. It's kind of weird to think that like now any kid being born today will not know what it was like to grow up without having AI as a tool to kind of help them learn things. So this is like really game-changing stuff.

You may not see it immediately in front of you on TikTok, on social media, but you will see it in the realms of education, kind of work progress and kind of like building each other's careers up, you know, to reference the example that you used earlier on in their lives. So this is super cool. Josh, how do I get access to something like this? I'm seeing, you know, Google AI Ultra Subscribers get access, but is that all that other ways to do this?

So if you're a pro subscriber, you get access to it for $20 a month. And what we're seeing here on this post, actually, is the next. extension of Nanobanana Pro. Because if you're an ultra subscriber and you use the Google Flow Studio, you can actually turn these images into videos and all the fun images that we just saw created earlier in the day. And if you scroll down a little bit, you can see, you could generate actual movies with them.

So none of this stuff that you're seeing on screen is real. It was all generated with an image and then the image was animated. So if you want to do, like if I wanted to walk down the aisle per se, I can generate the aisle image and then have myself walk down the aisle. or go swimming in the ocean or whatever it may be, because, again, it has all the image physics, real world simulation stuff. And I think what we're seeing is this natural progression

between image generation to video generation, to 3D modeling, to virtual worlds. And it very much feels like there's a clear trend here. And that's nanobanata. There's so much fun to be had there. You can make some images. You can animate the images, turn them into movies, graphics, videos,

whatever you want. The options are limitless. And this really feels like one of the first times in the world of visuals. Oh yeah. They really messed up my face. They can't get over this image. Dude, they messed up your face.

They messed up your face. Everything else is nailed. They're missing a few abs on the bottom. They could have refined a little bit more. I think so. Listen, Kendall, if you're listening to this, I already know you're listening to this. You look beautiful.

We're not hating on you. Feel free to reach out to the podcast if you want to feature on it. Or me if you just want to call me. Yep, yep. If you want to make this a reality, we're all about manifesting realities here. What a crazy tool.

I think aside from social media, this is going to be used for so many other wonderful things. I think people see a tool like this, Josh, and they're kind of like, oh, who cares? Like a bunch of fake social media misinformation, their minds kind of jump to the negative sense. But I think this is going to use for a lot of positive good, including manifesting who we're going to marry.

So that's, uh, as always, it's a tool. It cuts both ways. But that is not the only cool tool today, EJES. We have another one from opening. No. Right. Enter my realm. I, this is the tool I'm most pumped about, Josh.

I've been waiting for this for a while because ever since Chad ChbatiD got released, my number one request, aside from memory, was, can I share these conversations with my friends? Can I have these AI discussions with my friends? And finally, this week, Open AI announced a feature called group chats, which basically allows you to have the same chat chit conversation that you guys have every day, but invite your friends to collaborate on it.

Now, before we go any further, I need to give you guys a breakdown as to what the hell this thing is. So it's basically, it's a new experience. that will make it easy for people to collaborate with each other and chat GPD. So there's two main key features. Key feature number one is collaborating with your friends and family. So the idea is to bring chat GPT into the same conversation that you're having in your text messages and your I messages, wherever you text with your friends and your family.

So some examples of what you can do having chat GBT in this message context would be things like planning trips. So let's say you're planning a weekend trip and you're talking to friends. you can create a group chat and add chat GPT to it. And it kind of listens to everything that is said. It can kind of suggest destinations, kind of rule out other options and stuff like that. But there are also other forms of stuff that you can do with it, Josh. One example is hands-on work,

which honestly I could use or benefit a lot from this, which is projects like designing a backyard gun. I have a terrace that is currently unadorned with furniture. And I'm like, how the hell do I figure out what this looks like? I can just take a picture, put it in a group chat with my girlfriend, and I can discuss kind of like what kinds of furniture preferences we like, where we want to put furniture, what kind of size dimensions, where should we order it from how long is it going to take? Stuff like that. And AI can just kind of like outsource, I can outsource all of that to chat GPT. And the final part, Josh, I don't know if you have any siblings. I have a sister. We argue all the time about a bunch of decisions that we're going to do for the family. Group decisions. I can now add chat GPT and prove to her that I'm right about most things here, right? But all jokes aside, I think this is a really. really cool feature in the sense that it's going to help people in general be way more productive.

And the way I kind of look at it is rather than me kind of like having this siloed app that I use that I speak and communicate with different people and then going to chat GPT to kind of fact check things, this should all be one thing completely. And so I'm all for this. And I think it's a really smart move from Open AI because they're just going to get so much more data on everyone's behavioral habits, which is going to lead to just better products coming out of them. I mean, there's a reason why you and I keep using Open AI products. It's because they've tied that bow on the product loop so well. And this is just another example. What a great growth hack. I really, I really believe that meta probably envies this strongly because they have the whole community. They have the

ecosystem. They just never paired them together. And what an amazing growth hack, because so much of the conversation that doesn't happen on social media, it happens in group chats. Group chats are the biggest way that people really communicate. And by integrating AI into that, it's such a powerful unlock. And for people who aren't familiar, previously, if you wanted to share a conversation that you had in chat GPT with a friend, you had to share the whole conversation that you had, and then they could open it up and they can fork it and they could create their own conversation from it. But it wasn't a very collaborative thing. It was very one-sided, read only. This bakes it into the entire process. So if you have friends who all have chat chTPT, because now there's probably a billion weekly

active users. So my guess is at least a couple of them already have it. You just add them to the app. You guys can chat. You have the best assistant in the world. I assume there's going to be a world in which it can collect multiple email addresses, calendars, sync up events that you want to do, check when everyone's free without sharing when everyone's free and create times that everyone can hang out. There's just this hugely powerful unlock that happens as group chats evolve in chat GPT. And as I'm going through this, I'm like, okay, well, META should have done this. Apple should done this. Google, I don't know if Google could have done it, but those are the top two.

But it just leaves me like, man, this was low hanging fruit. And again, like you said, EJAS, another product with another viral loop that will get OpenAI and ChatGPT, way more users, way more stickiness, just continuing to pile on the value into this app. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. They're just like, they're hitting repeated home runs out the park. If you're wondering, you know, how the hell do you get access to this? It's available to you right now.

free, pro, premium, whatever all the plans are, you have access to it. Simply go to any conversation that you've started with chat GBT, and on the top right hand side, you're going to see a people icon with a plus sign. If you tap that, you'll get a shareable link that you can share with up to 20 friends or you can invite up to 20 friends to your conversation. And what it does is it creates a copy of that conversation into another version of that conversation. It's like one to one. But you have a private version where you've started that conversation. then you have the other one where it has all your friends. And it separates the information between the two.

So I can imagine some of the worries that people have is like, well, I have a lot of personal information that I've shared with chat GPT that I don't want my friends to know about. So is it going to share certain memories that it has about me with my friends? No, it's complete privacy. These are two separate databases. This is just to help you kind of interact with your friends more and create something cool. Josh, another really cool part about this that I haven't seen too many people talk about

is in order to enable this feature, the Open AI team built some very specific social behaviors for chat GPT to interact with people in the group chat. Interesting. So I'll give you an example. So typically it's been taught to just kind of keep quiet. Don't interrupt too much. It interrupts only when it thinks it can have a useful kind of suggestion or when it's kind of like prompted. So you can add chat GPT in any.

kind of response that you have to your friends to kind of prompt it to say something. But otherwise it might just kind of like butt in here and there. Another really cool thing, Josh, is that it emoji reacts to people's messages, just like a real person would. So if it kind of like agrees with you, if it agrees with you, but it doesn't necessarily want to be like, hey, Josh, that's a fantastic suggestion. Just gives you a thumbs up or it might give you a winky face. I don't know, but it kind of interacts like a real human being. You can kind of tweak its personality depending and it evolves with the group conversation. Let's say, you know, it's a group chat with the boys and it's a bit more banterous.

It'll kind of adjust to that versus if it's kind of like a more kind of like tame thing with the family, it'll adjust to that. It'll be more respectful. It also has access to your profile and your profile pictures. So let's say you want to say, hey, guys, it's Christmas time. We're planning a big party. I can't wait for this guys. I'm so excited.

Christmas is my favorite holiday ever. You know, you might wake up the next day with the Josh profile picture. with a Santa Claus hat or EJA's wearing an elf costume. You know, it has fun. It has this personable kind of like friend, but it's not really real kind of vibe going about it, which I thought was, again, to tie in the product group, very good at kind of getting people to be at ease with AI

and give up their information. Yeah, it's a lot of data too, man. The amount of extra personal data you'll collect on and everybody is massive. And you could start to create this network. Like, they're starting to build an actual social network where you can get these nodes on a graph. You could see how they relate to each other, who talks to who about what.

I'm curious what role that played in the decision to actually make this a reality. Outside of the social flywheel, this is also a data collection flywheel. And it puts them in a really good spot, but I have to ask myself the question is, am I going to use this? Ejazz, are you going to use this?

Is this actually strong enough to get you to leave? Okay, so here is my killer thesis behind this. And I specifically use the word killer here. If this plays out, and it is a good enough product, right? I don't see why you wouldn't use this over something like I message or wherever you text with people. Because in my opinion, if I can speak to my friend, everyone, like you said, you've got almost probably a billion weekly active users of chat GPT. A bunch of my friends already use

it. I would rather have a text chat with them with an AI in there, which can verify links that are posted in there, which has an entire memory and context on our entire conversation so it can bring up text that someone's mentioned in the past to prove a point. or to kind of like share kind of knowledgeable information. And just to be that better kind of like wise man in the group chat, why wouldn't I use something like that? That sounds like a much better user experience than me typing random text and scrolling and searching for the names that I'm looking for, right?

I think it's a much better experience. I think this eventually kills iMessage. Like why wouldn't Apple be shaking right now? Yeah, I message. It's really so sticky. I really love I message. And we always talk about the modes that Apple has, one of them being the blue dots when you're texting people,

the blue bubbles. They have a few moats, though, that are starting to fall. And this is slightly unrelated, but I wanted to bring it up this week, which is Android and Google's new rollout of Airdrop, which is weird because when I say Airdrop, yeah, so Airdrop.

That's an Apple thing. It's the best feature in the world. If you have a file on one of your Apple devices and you want to get it to another one of either yours or a friend's Apple device, you can just air drop it. And using some magic wireless technology, it just shows up on their phone

so long as you are in close proximity to them. And this is normally how, like, when we hang out, this is how we transfer photos. It's quick. It's high fidelity. It just transfers raw files, huge amounts of data. It is an amazing feature exclusive to Apple. Well, Google, just this week, they rolled out AirDrop Support for iOS, which is really weird because Apple certainly doesn't want that to happen.

And it appears as if they reverse engineered Apple's AirDrop function. And they figured out how to create a companion that is compatible with the Apple AirDrop functionality. And to me, this signals one of two things. One is that Apple's monopoly on these things that keep the ecosystem sticky is starting to fall. First, it was the rich text messaging where you could actually send Android users emojis and you could send photos and true resolution. Now it's an airdrop feature that's getting emulated. If they can figure out how to air drop, maybe they can figure out how to emulate blue bubbles.

and this comes against the backdrop of antitrust lawsuits that have been continuously happening of Apple's kind of restrictive ideologies and capabilities when it comes to keeping people locked into their platform. So Apple kind of has two options. One, they either lean into it

and they just suck it up and they take that blow. I suspect that's not going to happen too, is that they're probably going to cut this off and say, no, you cannot do this. But in the case they do, well, then they get into antitrust trouble and you don't know what kind of rabbit hole that's going to go down. So there is this monopoly on Apple

that's starting to be attacked pretty directly. And I wonder if that's going to further enhance the flywheel, the social effects of people wanting to use alternatives like chat chitis, group chats, or even like XAI. EJS, I don't know if you saw the new X chat feature that rolled out recently. They have chat. They're one button away from rolling rock into those, and you could create group chats.

And like, there is going to be a lot of competition. And what we're finding is, we always talk about this, but AI is going to be everywhere. And if you could build a stack that meets people where they are and integrates AI faster and better than anybody else and get those users locked in early, this is the race that's being played. And Chad Chubbett made a big move this week. It's true. And drop in group chats. So I don't know if I'm going to race to have a group chat, but we should spin one up and try it and play around with it and see how much we really like it.

I'm down. I'm going to start one right after this episode. I was just thinking the counter argument would be like I just don't see Apple sitting around and letting this. happen to them, right? They signed that deal recently with Google to get their custom-made Gemini model made specifically for Apple into Siri and into their iOS, which means that we're going to have an Apple AI in Siri in sometime in 2026. And I can imagine that that's probably going to be available in the text feature as well. So I can't imagine Apple's going to sit around, but they are very much on the back foot right now. And it's not looking great when you have companies

like XAI, GROC, and OpenAI with group chats, kind of pushing aggressively into the social realm. Like, this is the first time, if you think about it. Like, my interaction with chat GPD has been very one-on-one, right? It's kind of very siloed. And now they're kind of tapping into the social graph where not only am I just kind of using chat GPD to get information and it does it in a really reliable way. I would say I spent about 40% on my internet browsing time on chat GPD.

Now it's tapping into my social arc, Josh. Now it's tapping into personal information. Now it's tapping into my leisure and my joy. It's going to know about my jokes that I make. It might make me laugh. I don't know. It might react with a smiley emoji to my joke. And I might feel good about it.

So it's a really interesting kind of realm. And it's so weird to think about. I don't know what it's going to look like. Meta is definitely fuming. Metta is definitely angry that they do something like this. Well, it seems like everybody's fuming. Everyone just like, everyone's competing. It's so hyper competitive.

Everyone wants to win. Apple is one good update away from breaking this mold and just keeping us locked in. So while Apple always moves the slowest and normally the best, they are going to need to have some urgency before they really just lose this moat. So I'm hopeful for some new updates. This is not the end of the group chat. This may be

the beginning of the AI group chat, but this is certainly only step one in the journey. But that's it. That is two cool tools that release this week that are really, really cool. Like we're getting some good stuff fairly quickly. I would encourage everyone to try them out. Let us know what you think. In particular,

I want your nanobanana pro prompts. I want to know the cool prompts that you're using to make these fun types of images, whether it be, you know, walking down the aisle with someone or just a really cool graphic or whatever. Because again, it's just creativity constraint. So if you could come up with a good prompt,

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